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Welcome to the City Warm Planning Commission meeting
September 9th, 2024.
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Commissioner Anser. Yes. Commissioner Je.
Yes. Commissioner Hall Wadi. Yes. Commissioner Hawk?
Yes. Commissioner Chari. Present. Commissioner Re.
Commissioner Berki Present. Commissioner Smith
Present Anita Motion Cus excuse,
commissioner Morrie, this evening.
So moved. Mr. Chairman, I second that motion. Mr.
Chairman?
That was the motion. Commissioner dse.
Second by Commissioner wa Ade. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Aye. Any opposed?
Approve Number three. Approval of the agenda.
Motion to approve the
Agenda. Four. I'm sorry,
that was the motion
by Commissioner Benecke
Support Commissioner c Choy.
There a motion by Commissioner Beki
supported by Commissioner c Choy.
All in favor on the approval of the agenda?
Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
No Approve of the minutes of August 19th, 2024.
I make a motion to accept the minutes.
Comm uh, commissioner Awadi.
I Support it.
There was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Hulk.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Item number six, public hiring items.
Item number six, special land use with site plan for use.
Car cells and parking lot expansion.
Located on the southwest corner
of Gross Pack Highway and nine Mile Road.
2 2 7 5 5 Gross pack highway section 35.
Joseph ELL, JT Investments.
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No Thank you. Here, petitioner here this evening.
Can you come up please? Good evening.
How are you doing this evening?
Five. Can, can you see if your mic is on?
How about now? That's, that's better. Thank you. Bob
Kirk, 19 500 Hall Road, Clinton Township, working
with Joe Joseph
Tali, Redskin Auto j and t Investments.
You wanna tell us a little bit about your project?
I'm sorry. Tell, Tell us a little bit about your
project, what you wanna
Do. Oh,
um, I own a couple of car lots.
One of 'em being on Van D**e
and the other one being on nine Mile in East Point.
And I purchased, um, Chuck's transmission,
which is on the corner of nine Mile and Gross Spec.
So I bring all my cars to my workshop
where we do work on the cars
and a lot of them have the writing on the cars.
So I figured why not just turn into both, uh, car sales
and, uh, because while, while the cars are there,
people ask, you know, can I purchase this vehicle?
I have to send 'em to either Van D**e
or East Point location, which is on nine mile
between Hayes and Shaner.
So I figured this would be a no brainer.
Let's, let's try to do both.
So We're asking for a special land use for that
and to come in and clean up that site, what
The plan is. Alright, thank
you sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current fire, the wire.
The Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
If you have any questions,
please contact me at 5 8 6 7 5 6 2 8 0 0
extension 33 0 0.
Zoning, parking requirements, auto repairs
and auto cells using 50% each.
The required parking would be two for, would be two
for auto repair and eight for auto cells.
For, uh, four, 4.3 2K, 2 3 23
and one 5.0.
One E 1210 spaces required only seven spaces shown.
Number two, auto repair businesses.
Outdoor storage of inoperable, wrecked,
or striped vehicles should be prohibited from the site.
15.01 E 11 E
what will be stored in the outdoor storage area.
Three. The setback areas along street frontage shall be
landscape 15.01 E 13 D setback,
50 feet along gross back,
and nine mile number four,
the setback areas along street frontage shall not be used
for parking or for the storage display of the used cars.
15.01 E 11 F setback, 50 feet along gross spec
and nine mile five is concrete.
Has recently been added in the outdoor storage area without
permits or approvals.
Number six, signs sign not in compliance
with variance extends past row.
Comcast. In response to your utility request for the
above project, please refer to the attached map
for the location of the con Comcast
CAT TV fiber facilities.
Comcast has aerial fibers running within the public right
of the way on both gross pack highway
and East nine Mile Road.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for coax cable underground is highlighted in blue
for fiber and green for coax cable.
If we can be, if we can be of further assistance,
please feel free to contact us by email at
c ccc utility request@teamsigma.com.
M the applicant will need to apply for a permit
as they are proposing to close one of the two driveways
that are on the mdot rows that ends the correspondence.
Thank you, ma'am. Secretary
Plain Directors of recommendation.
Okay, Uh, thank you Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, special land use
and site plan for used car sales
and parking lot expansion, uh, be approved by city council
with the standard conditions of, uh, the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, 15 copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
One. A uh, the plan indicates the current use as, uh,
used auto sales.
This shall be changed to proposed use
one one B.
Upon staff's review of, uh, the property description,
it was found that the description is incorrect.
Uh, the description includes the nine mile road right
of way abutting the north property line of the property.
The new description shall exclude
the nine mile road right of way.
The new property line, uh, dimensions for the northeast
and west property lines shall be
provided with bearings and dimensions.
A new property description, uh, shall be provided
and the parcel shall be changed on the site.
Plan. One c.
All utilities, that's poles, manholes, et cetera, uh,
shall be indicated on the plan 1D.
The parcel is indicated as current use.
Used auto service remove the label from the site plan.
One e uh, a small pie shaped piece of the building
is located in the 50 foot front setback area
along nine mile road.
Uh, the piece of the building shall be indicated
as legal non-conforming on the plan
one F Uh, the M two district setbacks, uh,
50 foot fronts on nine mile road and gross back highway
and 20 feet south side, excuse me, south side yard
and 20 foot west rear shall be indicated on the
plan one G.
The plan indicates, uh, the location criteria
as grandfathered in,
but, uh, this is not an, this is not accurate
and shall be removed from a site plan.
One H uh, the sign appears to be located
on the North property line of nine mile Road.
The sign shall be relocated to the location required
by the zoning board of appeals on the plan
One i The plan indicates outdoor
storage behind the building.
The site data chart must indicate the location
of the storage and the contents of the storage.
One j The car display parking spaces
are measured incorrectly.
The parking space width isn't measured on the angle.
Eight feet is measured,
but with the true width becomes only
five foot five feet in width.
The width measurement is perpendicular
between the two parallel lines.
The result is a change of spaces from nine spaces to six
spaces along nine mile road,
and a change of spaces from 12 spaces
to nine spaces along gross spec highway.
The plan shall be corrected.
One K indicate the type
of open storage proposed in the outdoor storage area
indicate a line item in the site.
Data chart, uh, for the open storage area
indicate the square footage of the area approximately
1,986 square feet on the plan.
The maximum open storage area
permitted on the site is one half the square footage
of the existing building at
1,811 square feet.
A variance would be required from the zoning board
of appeals one l uh, the existing sidewalk
and a DA ramps located at the intersection of nine mile
and gross spec highway shall be provided on the plan.
One MA trash enclosure must be
provided on the site with the following notes stating
a trash enclosure measuring a minimum 10 foot
by 10 foot shall be constructed of six foot high.
Brick embossed poured concrete walls
with 45 degree angle cap have screened gates
and be placed upon a minimum 10 foot by 18 foot concrete pad
that provides an eight foot wide apron
Masonry block shall not be used as a construction material.
One n the sign shall be relocated so
that the leading edge of the sign
is located three feet from the front property lines of
nine mile and gross spec highway on the
plan condition.
Number two, two copies of revised
property surveys indicating the following.
And that's a, a new description shall exclude nine
mile road right of way.
And two b new property line dimensions
for the northeast and west property.
Lines shall be provided with bearings and dimensions.
Mentions condition number three.
Two copies of floor plans shall be
provided to the planning department condition.
Number four, a landscape plan shall be
provided indicating the following.
A the sidewalks shall be clearly indicated on the
plan four B.
The hard surfaced area located between the sidewalk
and the street curb along gross spec highway shall be
removed and replaced with grass.
Four C proposed front setbacks.
That's hard surfaced areas, uh, located between the sidewalk
and the leading edge of the car.
Display spaces shall have the hard surfaced area removed
and the area along nine mile road shall be landscaped with,
uh, three deciduous trees.
Three inch caliper in size and space 25 feet apart.
Shrubs shall be located between the trees.
The front set back along gross spec highway
shall be landscaped with, uh, four deciduous trees.
Three inch caliper in size space 25 feet apart.
And again, shrubs shall be located between the trees.
And four D indicate the existing deciduous tree located
between the sidewalk and the street curb
along nine mile road.
Condition number five.
The following variances shall be obtained from the zoning
board of appeals appeals, uh, prior
to the special land use
and site plan being forwarded to city council.
And so that would be five A to locate a new used
car sales business within 200 feet
of an existing auto repair shop five B
for the display vehicle
for the display vehicles within the front.
50 foot setbacks along nine mile
and gross spec Highway five C
for maneuvering lanes that do not meet the required 20 foot
or 22 foot width minimums as indicated
behind the building five D
to waive part of
or all of section four D 0.45
of the zoning ordinance,
which indicates a front yard landscape berm
that complies with section four D
one 15 of the zoning ordinance shall be
provided along nine mile road
and Beck Highway five E
for outdoor storage exceeding one half the square footage
of the building condition.
Number six, the special land use, uh, should
be approved as the request meets
or exceeds most of the standards set, excuse me,
stated in section 22.14 B
one A through F
and 22.14 B
three A through C.
Condition number seven.
The special land use permit
approval is obtained from city council.
The petitioner must complete all conditions within
a two year time period,
or the approval by city council
shall be automatically revoked.
And condition number eight, a performance bond in the amount
of $1,500 being posted based on the estimated cost
of $50,000 by the petitioner.
However, there's a note,
the pla the planning staff estimates the cost
to be a hundred thousand dollars
with the additional improvements,
therefore raising the performance bond
to be posted at $3,000.
So with that Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you Mr. Ho. Thank you.
Uh, before we move into the public hearing,
I want recognize ex officio Councilman Newan.
Good evening, sir. Good evening. How are you today?
Just fine. Okay.
Did you want me to come the microphone?
Well, I would just rec Did you wanna say something?
No, I just, I didn't quite hear you.
Oh, I just, You just,
you're just greeting me and welcoming.
Thank you so much. Yeah, I, uh,
I don't see melody here tonight.
I didn't, I didn't see her either. But,
Uh, thank you so much for, uh,
for recognizing me. I appreciate
It. I'm glad you're
here, sir. Thank you.
This is a public hearing.
Anyone would like to speak on this item.
Please come forward. State your name
and address for the record,
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Hi, my name is Lori Harris, 4 0 4 7 Hillcrest.
And I listen to all of that.
And I wanna remind you, you are not a rubber stamp.
There are an awful lot of exceptions
that are need to be corrected,
but while I was listening to the, um, correspondence,
I was struck by cement that was poured without a permit.
Um, and I want to remind you that on BSNA,
uh, that, uh,
this property has not had a certificate of compliance.
It's been disapproved.
Um, in, in November of 23,
disapproved in February of 24,
there were court dates.
I don't know what happened with those.
And then there was supposed
to be something tomorrow that's canceled.
So I seem to recall that one
of the things about our moving our city forward is not
to be allowing people who o owe debts to the city.
Uh, just like you have to have everything in line
to sit on a commission, a business coming
and asking for all these exceptions to the ordinances,
um, should also have to have their, uh,
ducks in a row, so to speak.
So if he hasn't passed, uh, without a certificate
of compliance, my understanding is
that he shouldn't be operating.
And, but after 180 days, if it's not complied,
then, then it's done.
And he's still operating a business without
a certificate of compliance.
Uh, so are, do you really want to prove, approve this now
with someone who's not showing that they're willing
to meet the obligation that the city requires?
And I realize it's more than just planning.
There's probably a building issue.
Um, but we need to do better at following through
and making sure these are decent plans, not full
of exceptions, where everybody's gotta
approve all the changes.
We want good businesses to continue and we wanna grow in.
Warren. Thank you.
Thank you. Is anyone else like to speak on this item?
Seeing them will turn over to the commission.
Need a motion? Need a motion. Motion to approve
Support As motion by Commissioner Cha.
Support by Commissioner Menke. Any discussion?
Mr. Chairman, if I may, uh, can the petitioner come up
to the microphone please?
Um, you've got a lot of work
and a lot of, uh, things to take care of on this corner.
Uh, question one.
Uh, do you have a certificate of occupancy on this building?
No, I do not. Uh, the reason why I don't,
because I changed from being in just a mechanic shop
to wanting to go into this used car.
We had a moratorium at the time with the, the last, um,
you know, the mayor that had the moratorium on used cars.
Now that the mayor's gone, uh,
the moratoriums is off supposedly.
Um, did any of you ever see that property
before I purchased it?
Well, it was, it was a garbage pit.
I mean, um, the area where I, uh, where I cleaned up
and put the cement down was all dirt weeds, um, dead trees,
uh, broken down cars.
I mean, I've really cleaned up that lot.
It cost me probably 30,000 to clean all that up and,
and put cement in that area.
And real, really, I didn't know
that I had to get a permit to do that.
And I, I just did it to clean it up.
Um, it's all fresh cement. It's all, you know, up to grade.
And I made it look good, you know.
Well, I, I do have pictures on my phone if you anyways,
would like to see what it looked like
prior to me going in there.
I planted roses in the front, under the signs,
cleaned all the weeds out of the, out of the beds.
There was broken down cars everywhere.
I mean, anybody that lives in that area knows what that,
what that location looked like prior to me.
Well, that's fair. That's fair enough, sir.
Um, but yeah, one way
or another you still need a certificate
of occupancy to I agree.
Operate a business. I agree. That's one, two, um,
there were cars parked on the lawn
and what, uh, is that boat ever gonna be used
or moved or what?
Yes. Um, it's one of my employees that has that boat there
and he asked me if he could put it there, um, until
he has a mechanic that's gonna be fixing that engine
and he's gonna take it to the shop.
But there's no cars on the grass
There. Oh, on
the side you mean? On the side? Yes. Yeah. Okay.
That I can remove that.
Yes. Yes. Because I was lo uh, I stopped
by there yesterday.
Took a good look at it. Right.
Uh, couldn't really get on the property.
'cause you had par cars parked at all the, uh,
Entrance Driveways. Well,
and and that's fine
because that, it's probably a safety issue
More than anything. Exactly.
Right. Uh, some of my employees, um,
have had problems with people jetting
through the area to cut the light.
Uh, you, they also do it at, uh,
the gas station across to us.
You know, they try beat the light.
They, they come flying through our lot
and, uh, you know, it's pretty scary.
Um, you know, I'll grant you that between the paint
and on the building and,
and there's probably, uh, quite a number of things
that you've done to fix this property up.
Yes. Yes. Uh, but you had, there's a whole,
but do you have any problems with any, the recommendations?
No. The foundation of the building?
No, no, no. But the recommendations
as they came from staff,
Uh, because You, there's a whole ton of stuff
that you've got take care of.
Yeah. It looks, it looks pretty
steep to be honest with you. Uh,
Yes. Uh,
you're gonna be in front of us,
then you're going in front of zoning, board of appeals,
then you're going in front of city council.
Yeah. Uh,
and if you don't have a CA certificate of occupancy, um,
uh, you're gonna get knocked down sooner or later.
Um, I would start chasing down the C of O just
to make sure that you have it.
What is that? Um, you're gonna have, uh, quite a number
of things to do here.
Uh, but like I said, I was concerned about the boat.
I'm concerned about the parking on the lawn.
Uh, the fence looks like it's, when,
when did you put the fence up?
I did not. That fence was there when I purchased the Oh,
Really? Yes. And,
uh, okay. But, um, did
You get a chance to see inside the fence area?
No, that's where I put the cement.
No, I, I, yeah. Uh,
Fair enough.
But, um, I'm not happy about the CMO
and you've got a whole lot of work to do
and you've got two years to do it.
And, um, I wish you the very best with this.
Uh, thank you. I don't know if you could pull it off,
but I'll, you know, I hope,
I wish you luck. Let's put it that
Way. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you,
Commissioner Ddue. Anyone
else else I can to comment on this?
I, I have a question. Go ahead. Yes, ma'am.
Is this your first time seeing the recommendations?
Um, got, Got it on Friday, I think.
Did you get a chance to review it?
Um, actually my daughter is really, I've got so much to do
with my other locations that I,
I left it in my daughter's hands
and I did get it, received it Friday.
And I had quite a few questions about, you know, the
50 feet of land.
Of land. Well that was one of 'em I had mentioned,
We sent it to our engineer.
We haven't heard back from them
Yet. Okay. 'cause
I feel like there's a lot
of recommendations as Mr.
Je said that it's on there.
And I feel like maybe you need to work with the planning.
Yes. I mean, Ron and the planning commissioner, I mean,
planning department to see what you can, you know,
if you have questions and things like that.
Correct. I would highly recommend that.
I, I appreciate because if you didn't get a chance
to see it, I'm, and did you get a chance
to contact your daughter?
You said yes. You did.
To see, I, I spoke with her, but,
but again, it was late, uh, Friday that I received
the paperwork and I really didn't get a chance to go,
you know, it, it's so long
that I didn't get a chance to go through it all.
But, uh,
Okay. I'm gonna do
my best to, to try to, to take care
of all these, you know, I,
it's just, I don't know.
Okay. Thank you. You are welcome.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this issue?
Uh, I have a question.
Uh, do you need time to take a look or,
Well, I mean, yeah, I need to really sit back
and think about do I want to go forward with this?
Do you know? It's, I mean,
we're spending a lot of money on this, uh, project here.
And I, quite frankly, I don't know that I can afford it
Because it's a, it seems to us it is a lot of work to do.
Well, they, what they're asking me is, um,
they want 50 feet of, uh, cement. So
Are you currently running the mechanical
shop there only or,
Yeah. Yes. Right now,
yes. Mechanic shop.
But what happens is when my cars come in from the different,
uh, van D**e, um,
I have a location on 21,000 Van D**e in war.
And I have that, like I said,
I have the location on nine Mile.
So we're doing mechanical work
and we're leaving the numbers on the cars.
We're not taking the numbers off the cars.
So the people are coming in and they wanna buy the car.
Well, we're not a used car a lot, so I've been telling them,
you know, to make sure you go to back to Van D**e
or back back, and that's why I want to do this.
I want to try to get it all done at one, one area,
if you understand what I'm saying. Yeah.
Yeah. It's, it's, okay.
So it's, uh, it's, it's not a problem.
But, uh, you are running the mechanical shop without getting
the occupancy for how long?
Um, I don't know the exact dates,
but it's, it's been like, it's been a while.
But the reason why is
because I didn't want to go ahead with the mechanic shop
and then, then go back
and do it again with all the plans and everything.
'cause it's, it's costly to go for a used car.
So I held it off
and they gave me, they gave me time to do that.
I, you know, I had met with, uh, the different inspectors
and the people that I need to, to get extra time.
It wasn't that I'm trying to duck, uh,
getting occupancy. So,
So we think, um, if we want to review the recommendation
with the planning department
and you can come back, I think
That's fine.
Okay. Because if you say yes,
so you have to finish all the words within the timeframe.
Yeah. We should probably wait
to hear back from our civil engineer on some of these items
and you can evaluate what you want to
Do. Right, right. Going
forward.
Anyone else like to speak On this?
If I can take another minute?
Uh, uh, Ron, uh, have you
gotten together with the petitioner to go over all this?
Sure. Uh, I'm kind of inclined to, uh,
put it on the table for two weeks and let them go over it.
And ma make sure that everybody's comfortable
with everything going on here.
'cause these are the, this is a lot of recommendations
and a lot of work to be done.
And this is the first step
and what's gonna be a rather long process by the look of it.
Uh, I have not spoken with, uh, the petitioners
regarding these recommendations.
Okay. What I did do was go over it, uh, in a meeting
prior to all this.
A pre-meeting, discussion and, uh, on different things.
Nothing in, in as detail as what I have here.
I knew that. Right.
Going in it's, uh, with, with a site like this.
Um, and from some,
uh, discussions I've had with, uh, our staff
and, uh, uh, some of the planning commission, uh,
we were thinking that this should be postponed,
postponed for a month.
I believe David was that, what was the date? 21st.
October 21st. Okay.
We felt that was, uh, time enough for, uh,
for probably meeting between us and them.
Uh, they can, uh, maybe alter the plan, reduce some
of the requirements of, uh, what we want on the site plan
and, and some other things here too.
Like, you know, the property description, that's something
that probably could be fixed quickly.
The floor plan, that that's an easy thing.
I think that somebody can do the landscape.
Isn't that that great?
So it's, it's getting things like that.
Get those things done, zoning, board of appeals,
that's gonna just be there.
And so that, but get the other things done.
And, uh, that just, it's less things to discuss
with others in the future.
So that would be my suggestion is, uh, right. Postpone that.
Uh, and in all honesty, I feel a lot more comfortable and,
and the petitioner, uh, I think would have a chance
to go over this and make sure that
everybody's on the same page.
Right. Uh, I don't, well,
I don't think a month postponement is gonna hurt you as far
as all this and it might help you a whole bunch.
Um, I'm actually surprised at the amount
of recommendations on a little piece
of parcel of land like this.
And I, I understand that. Yeah.
It probably does look better than it used to,
but there's still a long way to go.
Is the world coming to an end?
They're testing? No, they're testing the fire alarms.
Okay. Um, somebody said, well,
I appreciate it, but, uh, uh,
after everything's said, done,
we have a motion on the table, uh,
on the floor rather, that's been made.
Well, I, I wanna make a few comments
before we go to that point
And, and we have to clear out the,
the motion that's on the floor.
Right. I understand that. I
Understand. Uh,
thank you. And thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Anybody else wanna speak on before I talk?
Good evening, sir. Good evening.
I went by there today and looked at the site.
Uh, I wasn't impressed as far as the cleanliness of it.
And the cars all over the place.
That Goodyear truck that's back behind in the alley
behind there, the back door was open.
It looked like a bunch of trash that's falling outta the
back of it, onto the property.
Um, there's a, it looks like a used oil tank
that's sitting in front of the building.
I don't know. It's where you pour your used oil once you
take it outta the vehicles or whatever.
Yes. But you know, you can't have that there.
Um, there you have a lot of issues
that have to be worked on over there.
And I kind of agree with, uh, playing directly
to Ron and Mr.
Dza. We probably wanna postpone this to the 24th
to give you a chance to go through it.
Uh, clear up anything you can take care of
before you bring it back to us again.
Maybe revise your drawing with the proper dimensions. Okay.
And kind of look at the whole thing again.
'cause like I said, on the diagonal spaces, supposed
to be eight feet between, but when you measure it,
actually it's only like five and a half feet.
So, you know, you need to have di dimensions that are more
pertinent to what you're doing there.
Right. And, and as far as landscaping, all
that's important also.
So how long have you owned this business there? Um,
About a year. A little over
A year. Year. Yeah.
So you, you've still got a lot to do.
And I, I think, I think it, it's a good idea to postpone it
to October 21st.
Okay. Um, so I, I agree if you agree with that. Yes.
We need a motion. There was a motion by commissioner, uh,
Childry, supported by Commissioner Beki.
Commissioner Childry.
Do you want to make a motion to postpone it?
Yes. Oh, no. It was Beki and Me. Mr. Beki.
I support The, both. The postpone it. Yes. Okay.
Because they're the ones that made the petition to approve.
So they have to be the ones to see if they wanna
Well, I had, I wrote down Ms.
C Childry. Me. She made the tion. She made, she supported.
Yes. Right. We got you straight.
Okay. So the motion's been changed from a motion to approve
to postpone to October the 21st.
2024. Okay. Roll call.
Commissioner Unser. Yes. Commissioner je? Yes.
Commissioner Hall Wadi. Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Chari? Yes. Commissioner Boni. Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. The postponed October 24. 21st. 20. 2024.
Thank you. Thank you, sir. Have a good evening.
Hopefully you get everything together.
You, and when you come back, we, it won't be
as involved as what it is right now.
Okay. Thanks. Thank you. We'll,
We'll, we'll have a lot less paperwork
involved in the recommendations.
Hope so.
Item number seven, correspondence. Seeing none.
Item number, oh, no, I'm sorry. We have correspondence.
Item number seven,
Site plan for collision.
Shop renovation and building addition located on south side
of 10 Mile Road, approximately 35.7 feet west
of Mound Road.
56. 50 10 Mile Road, section 29.
Ayad Elias, MMTS. Kamal.
Nona, PSP 2 2 0 0 2 0
approved on August 22nd, 2022.
Never finished and expired.
Need the motion to recognize this expired site plan.
Support Commissioner Childry.
You making A motion? Motion? Sorry. Motion
Support.
There's a motion by Commissioner.
Commissioner Childre, supported
by Commissioner Jue. Uh, roll call.
Mr. Chairman. Yes. Uh, question.
Is there anybody here from about this?
'cause they're, they're eligible
to have a one year extension, if I'm not mistaken.
Well, they have to come before us and request.
Well, that's why I'm asking.
But usually, usually the planning department will submit a
letter to that effect before. Go ahead, Mr. Ware.
Uh, let me explain something.
Once, once the site plan has expired, uh,
they can't, the, the planning commission can't, uh, overturn
what, uh, the zoning ordinance dictates.
Okay. So it's expired.
If they wanna start over again,
they most certainly can come forward and, and do that again.
So that would be what they'd need to do if they wanted to
Do all this. Exactly.
Alright. Very good. Thank you very much.
Thank you Mr. Worth for clearing that up.
So that, like I say, that was a motion
by Commissioner Childry, supported by Commissioner Zay.
Roll call.
Commissioner Unser. Yes.
Commissioner Dee? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To recognize the expired safe plan.
Commissioner Boni? Yes. Commissioner Charger? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Motion has been expired. Item number eight oh business
Minor amendment to site plan for redevelopment
or current building to new tropical smoothie drive
through restaurant located on the west side of Hoover Road,
approximately 320 feet north of 10 Mile Road.
Section 22 25 1 41
Hoover Road ion Findlay Portage Properties.
LLC Minor amendment is the addition of a six feet
high wall along with the South property line
PMA 2 4 0 0 0 4.
Good evening. Good evening, sir. Good evening.
You wanna tell us a little bit about your project?
Uh, that was basically it.
Uh, it's basically just a six foot concrete wall along the,
the alleyway there along the south side of the property.
Um, as we, I dunno if you guys drove by the property,
but, uh, as we were constructing it, it was kind of just one
of those things where as we go pick up trash and pull weeds
and stuff, we just kind of wanted to take the alleyway out
of our, uh, you know, just visual sites.
Our employees just say on our property when they do that.
Alright. Thank you sir. Correspondence
Tax current fire,
the Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
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Thanks ma'am. Mr. Ticker playing
department's recommendation,
He just asked me to state my name.
My name's Ian Finley.
Thank you, sir. Uh, thank you Mr.
Chair. The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, site plan
for a minor amendment to the approved site plan
for construction of a six foot hive brick embossed,
poured concrete wall along the south property line
and changes to the floor plan
by adding additional tenant space to the approved site plan
for drive through restaurant B approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, a the site plan shall indicate the updated, uh,
square footages for the tropical smoothie drive-through
restaurant and, uh, other proposed tenant space.
The proposed uses shall also be indicated on the site plan.
Uh, the parking requirement, uh, may need
to be updated depending on the proposed uses.
One B, the distance, uh, between the east end of the wall
and the east property line is 17 feet
and shall be indicated on the site plan.
And, uh, number two, the performance bond
and the amount of $4,500 is posted
and shall that's from the last site plan approval
of the on the site
and shall cover the additional cost of $10,000
by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you, Mr. Ward. Um,
I think I'm gonna turn it over to the board for motion.
I'd like to make a motion to approve the minor site plan,
uh, for this development minor amendment to site plan
for redevelopment of current building to new tropical
smoothie drive through restaurant
with the recommendations of staff.
Do I have a support? I support
Any discussion?
I
Anyone have anything to say on this?
I, I did have one question. Can
We, chairman, sheriff, I have a few questions
for the, uh, petitioner.
Go ahead. Okay. Um, I drove by it the other day.
And when do you expect to be finished with this project?
If it's approved?
I We're supposed
to be open mid-October, so
Because I did drive by
and this looks like the whole
parking lot. Everything has to be totally
Re be paved and everything.
So we need the, we need the wall to go in for the curb
to be finished on that side.
And then the parking lots going in like a week later.
So every, the parking lot is basically just being held up
by this wall, which is my fault.
I kind of added it after the fact,
but it's all getting redone.
Yep. Because like I said, I drove by it
and looks like there's quite a few routes
and, you know, in the parking lot itself
and drive through it
and it was difficult to drive through it 'cause I went
and inspected myself the other day.
Yeah. The light poles in the back didn't have power,
so we had to rerun a lot of the underground
and, uh, so it was just kind of getting everything working,
but it's all getting redone, so.
Okay. 'cause I commend you on taking
what was a one time a vacant building
and redoing all the work that's being done to it.
'cause I, I understand,
remember it was a credit union at one time or a bank.
Yep. And then it was a drug store. Yeah.
It's been a lot of work. A lot more than we were
anticipating, but it's coming out pretty nice.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Uh, the petitioner, you had a
few comments that you wanted to make?
Yeah, just on the recommendation.
So we are on the north side of the building.
We're gonna use about 817 square feet to lease out.
So I, I know it said state, the proposed use,
so we haven't leased it or anything yet.
That's just for something kind of down the road.
So that was the only thing I, I won't be able to say
what would be going in there yet on my new site plan.
Okay. Thank you. Do any other commissioners have any
comments
to the petitioner?
Um, are you just planning on having maybe one other tenant
in there or, yes.
Okay. You, but you, at this point,
you don't know what it's gonna be.
No. But you just want to have it
so it would be allowed to be,
It was kind of one of those things where it was just
storage and, and then I kind
of mentioned it one day on the job site.
And then they're like, well, if you're gonna do something
right, you gotta do it while the concrete's
before the parking lot gets done
so we could run the new electrical meter.
So that's kind of where this all started,
but there is no actual, you know, we,
we don't have anything set up to go in there right now.
All right. Thank you sir.
Um, there was a motion by Commissioner Ducey,
supported by Commissioner Hollow.
Roll call please.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve Commissioner Berki? Yes.
To approve Commissioner Childry? Yes.
To approve. Commissioner Han?
Yes. Commissioner Awadi?
Yes. Commissioner Deje?
Yes. To approve Commissioner Anor? Yes.
To approve Motion passes.
Thank you, sir. Have a good
evening and good luck with your project.
Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Item number eight B
Eight B site plan for changes to south building
and split into two buildings located on the northeast corner
of Mound Road and nine mile 23 500 Mound Road.
Section 28 NP Mound Road,
industrial LLC Danny Holston
PSP 2 2 0 0 3 1.
Approved on September 12th, 2022.
Petitioner is requesting a one year extension to
September 12th, 2025.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Can you tell us a little
bit about what's going on?
Yeah. My name is Mark Kanick with North Point Development,
uh, counsel, thank you for allowing me to be here today.
Um, this property is at nine Mile and Mound Road.
We had prior approval two years ago for a two building, uh,
industrial park.
Uh, we currently have two active
and leased buildings in the park on the north side
and on the south side.
Um, we had planned on, on two additional buildings, uh,
two years ago due to some economic, uh, circumstances and,
and just general overall, um,
interest in industrial development the last couple of years
that was put on pause.
Um, we had, we have since had a lot more activity.
So we're excited to, uh, to continue, um,
with this park now.
So we are requesting an extension for the previous approval,
um, while we lock in some final designs
for the expansion of that park.
Thank you, sir. Is there any correspondence?
No correspondence. Okay.
Um, I'm turn it over to the board.
I make a motion to approve chairperson Commissioner
TI support Has a motion
by Commissioner Ti
and supported by Commissioner Ansar. Any discussion?
Uh, Mr. Chairman, Go
Ahead. If I may,
um,
how many extensions are allowed, uh,
after the two year, one extension, two extensions
or director worth?
Well, that, okay.
That's a question that simply amounts to, uh, how many
extensions does the planning commission,
would the planning commission give?
Right. And this is just their first extension.
It's, uh, we recommend it first off.
And, um, I mean if they, they start with more extensions,
then we, we we're,
we're asking more questions about why and what for.
Alright. Alright. Very
Good. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman.
Okay. That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow, supported
by Commissioner Ansar.
Roll call.
Commissioner n Sir? Yes. Commissioner Deje? Yes.
Commissioner Hollow. Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. Commissioner Burki? Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve the one year suspension extension
to September 12th, 2025.
Thank you, sir. Good luck with the project.
Thank you. I Number eight C
Eight C site plan
for new attached condominiums located on the north side
of Chicago Road, approximately 544 feet west of Mound Road,
section 5 56 15 Chicago Road, ADE Zaro,
Jeffrey Grham, PSP 19 0 0 7 8.
Approved on February 24th, 2020 first extension request
approved to August 8th, 2023.
Second extension request approved to August 8th, 2024.
Petitioner is requesting a third extension
to August 8th, 2025.
Good evening, sir. Can you tell us a
little bit about what's going on?
Yeah. Good evening. My name is Adi Zeto
and, uh, I'm in, uh, I owner of a couple
of properties in, uh, city of Foreign, which we, I love.
And I've been here and working in the city
for over 20 years.
And now in the last two years we've been trying to
start the project, but with this economy
and all that stuff going on
and the market, we,
we really couldn't find a good margin
to, to do this project.
And now finally, we, we got the, uh,
the general contractor right here with me and we discuss it.
We went through, uh, through the project
and we love to start it.
And, uh, hopefully we will get the approval from you guys.
Thank you, sir. Any correspondence?
No correspondence. Okay.
Um, this is going
to be a third extension.
And the reason we, I'm questioning it.
'cause when you have more than one extension, we need
to try to find out what the situation is.
Yeah, I mean, like I say, it, uh, it's kind of,
it was very tough with the, the cost and the labor.
And you know how with after Covid
and all this, everything is, is going up like crazy.
And then we, if we finish it with the, the pricing we have,
we're trying to sell those scandals.
At that time, it wasn't, it wasn't making any sense.
We trying very hard.
We with the different builders,
I've been contacting too many builders, too many contract
through the last two years.
And, uh, finally, uh, with the, the new general contractor
that we've been talking and we found that with the way,
if we sell it after we build it, it makes sense
to us at this moment.
So, and that's what I, I'm looking to, to have it done
and really this, uh, city of Warren, for me it means a lot.
That's why I'm my, uh, my dream to see that project
being done in a nice way to add to that, uh,
village history historical area.
So we will be, um, uh, hopefully
with the extension, we gonna do a very nice job that you,
everyone will be proud of it.
Thank you, sir. I a question, Mr.
Being this is the third extension we're gonna make this the
final extension that you can have.
So hopefully everything will work out for you
and you'll be able to get everything done
that you want to get done, I promise
With this will be a final one
and I appreciate that. Thank
You so much. Okay. So the final
extension would take you
to August 8th, 2025.
Thank you, sir. Okay. I need a motion.
Commissioner Childry
support Beki. Yeah,
That is a motion by Commissioner Ch Child Race
or by Commissioner Beki.
Mr. Mr. Chairman? Yes. Uh, one question.
Um, have you talked with the, um,
uh, city of Warren, uh,
that entire area, uh, is pushed
to be, uh, old, old style and so on.
Have you talked to anybody else from the city about the
condos and how they feel about you building them?
Yes, sir. We went through this, uh, last two years with
surround and with the historical department.
We went through LARA meeting and we got it, uh, approved.
The way it was, uh, matched all this requirement from, from
that historical department.
So we got, we got it done
and we have the approval from their side too.
Well, that was my question. Okay. Thank you very much. No
Problem, sir.
Thank you, Mr. President,
I have a question for the position.
Go ahead sir. Okay. How much work is done
Regarding building?
Yes. Uh, because you have a, you were, you requested
for one more real extension.
So what do you add right now?
Are you able to finish the work?
No, no, we didn't really, we didn't start the project.
We've been just doing all the due diligence that if it's,
if it's makes sense to us or not.
And now we finally figured out
and we've been working very hard with the general contractor
and I think the plan will be starting some time.
So, good evening, your STEAM panel.
My name is Aya Tisha, west Bloomfield, um,
general Contract construction manager.
I can't attest to what happened in the past,
but I can tell you moving forward, I've been retained
as the CM on the job and owner's rep.
We have retained the architect
and the civil engineers to move forward on the project
as well as procuring our funding for the job.
So we are hoping that if we can get our,
our documents submitted
before the end of this year,
we can definitely have shovels in the ground in spring.
That's where we are right now. We are in the
engineering and architectural phase.
Okay. Thank you, sir. Any other questions?
Okay. That was a motion by Commissioner c Childry,
supported by Commissioner Beki. Roll call.
Commissioner Aner? Yes. Commissioner er? Yes. Yes.
Commissioner? Yes. Commissioner Hall Wadi? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk?
Yes. Commissioner Chaudry? Yes. Commissioner Beki? Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve the third
and final extension to August 8th, 2025.
Thank you, sir. Good luck with your project.
Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
I, number eight D
Site plan for open storage
of equipment truck trailer parking and scraping.
Located on the north side of eight Mile Road,
approximately 300 a Z 7.57 feet west
of Mullen Avenue.
Section 34 1 1 1 7 7 8 mile Road.
Dominic Atisha, A dash L dash
I eight mile L-L-C-P-S-P 2 2 0 0 2 3
approved on September 12th, 2022.
First extension request approved on September 12th, 2024.
Petitioner is requesting a one year extension
to September 12th, 2025.
Good evening, sir. Good evening.
You wanna tell us a little bit about
what's going on with the extension?
Um, I guess to start out with, we, I think it was
approved in 23 and then we no, you're, you're correct.
I'm sorry. 22 and then 23.
But we, we, we've had some issues.
We, we applied for MDOT, Michigan Department
of Transportation curb modifications back in June
of 22, I believe some of the information was submitted
to the planning department.
We just now on August 27th, received an okay
for curb cut modifications
because that was one of the requirements
by the planning commission.
And then we ran into some difficulties
with some contractors.
Uh, majority of the work is done earlier this year.
I went to the building department
and spoke to, he's no longer there.
The building director, that was Jim Cummings
and then Steve, I can't pronounce his last name correctly.
Uh, we owned the adjacent property.
We needed some room to, to move some
of the trailers into the north part of the property.
And, uh, at the time I, during our conversation, I asked
for a 90 day, and Mr. Cummings
and Steve felt that maybe I should ask for a six month
that way to make sure I can move all the trailers
and configure, uh, the property.
The way it was, it, it was approved
by the planning commission.
Um, I didn't do it right away,
but by the time I sent a mail to Mr.
Uh, an email to Mr. Cummings and Steve, um, I guess Mr.
Cummins was no longer there.
I got a, I got a little bit feedback from Everett Murphy
asking me what I was planning to do with a back building,
which is adjacent to our existing property.
And I said eventually we're looking
to do a multi-tenant use in that building.
And after that, I've,
I've sent him about a half a dozen emails asking
for permission to use just the parking lot on
that property so we can reconfigure our parking.
And to this date, I have not gotten a response from him.
And then, and, and,
and then he sends, he sent me a verbal message
with Steve just two weeks ago
because the inspector was there taking pictures telling me
not to build the wall on eight Mile that was required
by the Planning commission.
So why that why he's not responding to my email
and he's sending me personal messages.
I do not know, but, uh, our biggest thing was the MDOT.
So with, with what's going on, I guess with Mr. Everett,
with MDOT
and the contractors, we,
we don't have the project completed,
so we would like an extension so we can get it completed.
Alright. Thank you sir. Any correspondence?
No correspondence. Okay.
Um, this will be your second extension on this.
I, 'cause you've had other issues down over the past few
years where you had to get extensions.
Yes. You couldn't get things done.
And we've been out there quite a few times in the zoning.
And, uh, so is this the final thing you'd have
to get done at this time?
I'm, I'm hoping that this is the final
thing and we can get it done.
The all, the biggest thing is,
and I'm gonna say it in front of the board, is, uh, I,
I don't know what Mr. Everett Murphy has
that he's not returning my emails
and not corresponding with me.
Um, and so, so he's, he's, it's even to a point where
I've submitted for a permit
to build the wall on Eight Mile Road.
Uh, it was in front of plan review.
The gentleman was reviewing the plans
and then I think he put a stop to it
and sent me a message not to build the wall.
Why that is happening? I don't know.
Okay. Well, I'm gonna urge you
to kind of stay on top of it.
Maybe try to maybe go in and see Mr. Murphy and try to,
I I stopped there about a week ago
and Mr. Murphy wasn't there
and I was, I was asked to send an email to his supervisors.
I held back, I sent him another email directly to him.
He still hasn't responded to me.
I guess my next step is gonna be to go to his superiors
with, with it to see why he's not responding.
Alright, sir. Um,
hopefully you can get in touch and get some answers.
Thank you. And get your pro project finished.
Yes, I hope so. Yeah.
Um, is there any discussion? Any questions with anybody?
Okay. I need a motion.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve the, uh,
one year ex, uh, extension to September 12th, 2025.
I support it.
That was a motion by Mr. Ddue, supported by Mr.
Hulk. Roll call.
Commissioner Hallie? Yes.
Commissioner Ddue? Yes. Commissioner Aner? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Burnett?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve extension of September 12th, 2025.
Commissioner Chari? Yes.
Thank you sir. Hopefully you can get everything done.
Thank you. Uh, try to stay on top of it
and get, I know Mr. Murphy is busy sometimes
and he's kind of hard to get ahold of, so may have
to just kind of, I stay on top a little bit, bit i'll will.
So you can get things best. Thank
You. Alright. Thank
you. Thank You.
I'm number nine. Bond release. Seeing none. I'm number 10.
New business approval
of the 2025 Planning commission meeting schedule.
Sir,
you have a chance to look over the dates.
Any comments on the dates?
Yes. No. Maybe
Commissioner Chairperson.
I make a motion to approve the, uh, meeting dates as read
to re I think it's, is it received in file?
Has a motion by Commissioner Hollow. Any support?
Commissioner Childry Support.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow.
Supported by Commissioner Childry. Roll call.
Commissioner Unser. Yes. Commissioner Duche?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve the dates for the next year meeting.
And please use your mics when you guys talk.
I can barely hear you. What, what was that?
Please turn on your, make sure
that your mics are on when you, when you, when you respond.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. Commissioner Chadri? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Awadi?
Yes. Received. And file
Motion passes.
So as far as we know right now,
these commission meeting dates will be good for 2025.
Um, item number 11, citizen participation.
There's anyone in the audience who'd
like to speak, please come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to call to talk.
Lori Harris again.
Um, I wish
that you would consider having audience
participation at the beginning
because now that you're deciding minor, um, amendments
for site plans, there's no opportunity for anybody
to have give you feedback before you vote.
And I think that would be important for people
to have the opportunity.
Um, my concern about the condos is, uh,
that it's been a long time coming.
And while the drawings looked very nice, uh,
initially he owns a little building next to the property
that sits crooked
and he was gonna use that, uh, messed up parking lot
for parking for these condos.
And then when I talked to him probably a year ago,
he said he was gonna have parking there.
But I would like to ask questions like,
will you have two spots for every condo?
There are really no one spot.
'cause there won't be garages and there won't be basements.
So, um, you know, those are good questions to ask.
Um, uh, so I would, I would encourage you to,
to move citizen participation to the beginning to, uh,
comment on these things.
And I also find it distressing that the gentleman in, in,
uh, eight D hasn't had a response from Mr. Murphy.
Um, should have had a response maybe from Mr.
Wirth, who might have some idea of what's going on,
if they're being, if conditions that he needed
to meet are now being stopped.
And, you know, there are citizens
that are concerned about planning.
Not a lot. Um, they don't realize
how important you guys are.
But, um, I was talking
to a citizen named Mark Charland
who was interested in planning.
And, um, so I am, uh,
just reminding you that people do care.
Um, and I thought,
I thought I could hear everybody good except for Mr.
Doe, whose microphone might be too far away from him.
But that's just a comment from the audience.
So thank you for your time.
Thank you. Have a good evening.
Does anyone else like to speak?
Seeing none. Alo citizen participation
item number 1212 a Planning directors report.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair.
This is just, um, a few of the things I've,
mostly meetings that I've attended in the past couple weeks,
and not all of them,
there's just some highlights here basically.
But I, I'll start off with, um, speaking.
Uh, I spoke with, uh, I had a meeting with Mr. Uh, Kanari.
He has, uh, runs the, uh, the, uh, flowers
and vegetables and pumpkins
and all that type of, uh, outdoor retail sales
activity on the corner of, uh, 13 mile
and, uh, 13 mile mound.
Anyway, so he, he's asked, asked quite a few questions about
what to do with his site.
Just let you know that, uh, we did meet, um,
next, uh, had a meeting with, uh,
a developer who is interested in finishing, uh,
a heritage village.
There's an area, it's, uh, on the, of the PUD that,
uh, wide open area.
If you drive through there, you'll see it.
And, uh, they wanna, it was for four plexes.
That's four, uh, units,
or if you wanna call it, uh, dwellings, actually in a,
in a pod configuration.
And they wanna reduce the amount of, uh, uh, dwellings,
uh, to three, call it a threeplex.
Uh, so we're in discussions with those people.
Um, attended a non-motor, actually, it is called the, uh,
active, uh, mobility plan.
And, uh, that's just a normal meeting we have about every
two weeks, and we're working, moving forward with that.
Uh, attended a brownfield meeting, an important brownfield,
uh, uh,
development on 14 mile in Hayes.
One that we, uh, we approved a while back.
And, and the gentleman's trying
to work his way through that one.
Um, the master plan, uh, committee that was, uh,
yourself and, and Mr.
Ansar and, uh, Mamu.
And, uh, we, we talked about, uh, the things that,
uh, we're trying to implement using the master plan, uh,
through that, uh, implement process.
As a matter of fact, in your, uh, packet here, you've,
you've got a listing it'ss long and extensive listing.
And as a, a citizen said, planning's pretty important.
Well, let me tell you, take a look at that list.
And every one of those items are things that, uh,
are important to the citizens.
This is the Citizen's Master Plan,
and we're trying to, uh, implement it.
So take a look at that.
You may have some questions when you get to it here.
It's coming up. Um,
also had a meeting with, uh, uh, at and t.
They wanna put up a new antenna tower.
Looks like, uh, they're gonna come in
for site plan approval.
Uh, and it will go in the north part of Hoover,
Hoover 11 shopping center, approximately.
I'll just, when the site plan comes,
it'll give you a more exact location.
But that's coming. Uh, spoke with, uh,
the attorney's office, Mary Michaels about bylaws that's
had another, uh, active mobility meeting.
We, like I said, every two weeks, uh, spoke to the owner
of the old produce palace.
And, uh, they've got, uh, some unique, uh,
uses for that site.
Um, not gonna talk about exactly what they are right now,
still has to be worked out.
But when they come forward, you see what I'm talking about.
Um, on the fourth, I attended the DDA meeting.
Um, let's see, on the fifth,
I attended a meeting.
It's three. Uh, I,
I attended a meeting in the mayor's office with a number
of other representatives and mc rest.
And the importance of that meeting was looking at, uh,
possibility of, uh, uh, finding a, a place for,
uh, a shelter, uh, here in Warren.
I won't go into detail, that's,
but that's the basic part of what that meeting was about.
And we'll, we'll, I'll let you know more in the future, uh,
as time goes by.
Uh, then I had a call from ITC, the ITC corridor, you know,
that long, pretty wide open corridor with all the, uh,
elec electrical, uh, uh, poles
and things like that that run through there.
Well, this, this particular part of the ITC corridor
runs along the, the west property.
And I try to describe this along the west property line
of a, of a business, uh, development business park,
uh, located on the corner, the north
and west corner of Frasso and Bunard.
Okay. That, that business park's been there for a long time,
and so has this ITC corridor.
And it happens to be the same place where they were required
to construct a tall berm, about six
to eight feet tall, and landscape it, according to
the zoning ordinance requirements.
And, uh, unfortunately, ITC has indicated that the
trees that, uh, those people went to the trouble to, uh,
to plant and grow over the years, uh, will all be cut.
And, uh, that, that, um,
that really bothers me, needless to say.
And so I'm, I've tried to fight this
before at a different location and, uh, and lost,
but, uh, they have options
for a different type of vegetation.
So, uh, unfortunately that,
that was a meeting I didn't like attending.
Um, and, uh, just, uh, today we had, uh,
there was a department, uh, heads meeting, uh, uh, with,
um, the mayor.
So with that, uh, that's basically
what I've been, uh, doing.
And, uh, aside from the, the findings
and everything you see in the packet
and working hard with the staff, so have you, any questions?
I'll try to answer.
Thank you, Mr. Wray. Anyone have any questions for Mr. W,
Mr. Chairman?
Uh, it,
ITC has been clear cutting stuff throughout the city
and throughout the county for a long time.
Um, is there, there, what can we do
to stop 'em from chopping the daylights out
of every single tree that they've ever run into?
Is there anything that we can do to stop that?
I, I don't believe so.
The la the last one that, uh, a little piece
of the ITC corridor, um,
ran along the, uh, runs along the south property line
of the, uh, Romanian Catholic Church over on Ryan, right?
Right next to the school. Okay.
The, the Charger school, right? Right.
Anyway, uh, that strip through there was a green belt,
and they went through and they cut that all down.
Now, the only good thing that happened, th there is that,
uh, uh, the, the root system of the trees
still, the, the trees were resilient.
So if you, this was about five years ago,
if you take a look, there's a lot of brush there
that has now recreated itself into a green belt.
So if they just leave those trees low,
they might regenerate themselves.
But I, we, I don't know what they're gonna do there.
We went through this ITC business on eight Mile Road,
uh, a long time ago.
Yes. But that, that was when I was introduced to ITC
and the fact that they've never met a tree they
didn't want to chop up.
I agree. Um, is there
any, would a letter from the planning commission
or from city council
or from whoever, do you think it would do any good?
Because their, their excuse is always the same?
Well, we don't, if, if the power,
if a tree hits the power line, then it's our fault
and on and on and on.
Um, but I don't like how they clear cut every single thing.
As soon as they get near it,
they're clear cutting everything.
Well, the the interesting thing now is that, uh,
they're going beyond their easement in clear cutting.
That's how they decided that I haven't any idea.
But, uh, there's three different zones and,
and now they go out farther beyond the easement.
That's, that's the point I was trying
to make with these people.
And, uh, they, they're, they're looking to cut more
As far as the city's concerned.
There's gotta be something we can do, say, or whatever Yeah.
To, uh, have them temper this, uh,
business that, that of clear cutting that they do.
And if they're not doing it on the easement, then
uh, that's even worse.
They're doing, they're doing more.
Um, I don't know what we can do, uh,
off offhand, if the city attorney can
throw, throw something in on this,
I'd appreciate it. Thank you, Ron.
Welcome. Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Mickos.
We could make contact with the state,
the Public Service Commission.
I know this issue has been resolved in the courts
and easement rights are absolute,
but if we can reach out to the state
and have some type of control issued,
because it, it just seems like there's, they seem
to be expanding their exercise of their, their authority.
Um, So at the state level, maybe
that's the place to start.
Um, do we have the mayor
possibly begin this or, uh, are we in, in a position
to start this with the state?
We could do it. I know the mayor has contacts.
Obviously she was a state representative.
That's why I said, so. She seems to have a lot
of knowledge about their workings.
Yes. So if you would like,
I could reach out to her tomorrow.
I get some advice. I think that that would be a good idea
on, unless somebody's got some other, uh, views on this.
But, uh, like I said, ITC comes in
and they, they, they've clear cut things for years
and it's just, you know, it takes years for the trees
to grow and about an hour for them to chop it down
and, and then ship it.
So if we can, if, if, if this board has no problem
with them, I'd like to, uh, direct the city attorney to talk
with the mayor and, uh, see what we can do with the state
as far as this is concerned.
Thank you. Because a lot, what, a lot
of people cut down trees, they don't understand the
importance of the trees because they provide our oxygen.
They take the, the carbon dioxide
and they return the oxygen to us debris.
So when you start eliminating that process, then you start
to cause other problems in, in the environment.
So that's, that's a good idea. Maybe Ms.
Michaels, you could take a look at that
and see what you can come up with us.
Okay. Thank you.
Uh, I'd just like to make one last thing on the, uh,
packet we got for the updated, uh,
master plan committee meeting.
I just wanna make a motion to have a motion
to receive and file.
So over Mr. Chairman, I need a second.
Commissioner Childry support.
There's a motion by Commissioner dse,
support by Commissioner c Childry.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Mr. dse?
Yeah. Any opposed? All right.
Thank you for all your input.
Uh, item 12 C,
voting on amending the Planning Commission bylaws.
Attorney Michael, do you wanna discuss that?
Thank you, Mr. Chair of Commission.
This is an ongoing evaluation of our bylaw bylaws
regarding ex officios at City Council's request.
We made, um, we examined the language,
the commission, we examined it.
I spoke to Mr. Wirth, planning, planning staff,
and I think we have a fairly
final form format to propose.
We've reformatted the bylaw bylaws
to the Section 4.4 regarding ex officios.
To be a little more positive, put it in light of
what ex Officios will do, instead of what they shall not do.
And what we have is
that they obviously will keep ex officios do not vote.
They don't make motions. Um, Mr.
Wir had the idea of the ex officio being invited
to speak on all items.
I proposed it just to be items that are scheduled
for hearing, but the planning commission would like it.
The ex officios to be invited to speak on all agenda items.
My only recommendation there would be that they
speak on agenda items referred to the commission for vote
or discussion, because certainly
the commission would not discuss the Pledge of Allegiance,
which is on the agenda.
So if that's okay, make that change.
Agenda items referred to the commission
for vote or discussion.
Okay. Also, we have as discussed last time,
ex officios are asked to speak on matters pertaining
to the public interest
or matters that pertain to application
of the zoning ordinance.
That would mean, um, such things as drainage runoff,
how traffic would be affected.
The ma You just have to make sure that the council members,
the ex officials, do confine comments to
matters within the realm of the commission.
They don't go off on different tangents.
Not that they would, but that
hasn't happened years in the past.
The rest of the items are pretty much self-explanatory.
They've always already been there.
Um, the ex officios go through the chair.
They obviously will not speak on a matter in which he
or she has a personal interest.
That for purposes of the integrity of the commission,
that that's very important.
If the ex-officio is representing
a neighborhood or the district, we kindly ask
that they refrain from doing that
and just speak on matters that pertain
to the city as a whole.
I could, representing a neighborhood association could be
representing a personal interest.
The concern there is that the ex-officio
not in inject any duress or bias
and or in any way influence the commission.
So that's the whole point of that, of that per that item.
And if anybody has any other
comments, I'd refer them to vote.
Oh and under, under, I believe it is
section seven.
Paragraph seven, chairman will be changed
to chair line oversight.
Okay. Does anyone have
any questions for attorney?
Michaels
Chairperson.
Is it possible get to get, uh, ex official's, uh, opinion
of the, since he is the ex-official, see what he,
if he thinks, is it, does it meet his approval?
Um, Councilman Newman, would you like to come up
and maybe, I know, make your comments on this?
Absolutely. I, I would like to say
that I'm very pleased with this.
I'm not a lawyer. Um, but it looks good to me
and I, I, I would, uh, enjoy having the opportunity
to be able to speak up, um,
more readily. Thank you so much.
Thank you, sir, for your comments.
Any other comments or questions on it?
Thank you. I'd like to have a motion to approve it.
Motion to approve the bylaws.
I have a second.
I may a second. Commissioner Hollow Wadi. That
Was the motion by Commissioner Beki, supported
by Commissioner Hollow Wadi to approve the
bylaws as amended.
Mr. Chair? Yes.
Point of order, because it's presented in
substantial final form tonight.
At the next meeting, please have the final vote
and they become effective at the next meeting.
That's fine, please. Okay. Thank you. Alright.
Thank you for that point of order.
Being that said, uh, item 12 D, planning, commission,
discussion and concerns.
Does anyone have any concerns or discussion about anything?
No. Those all speak at once? No.
All right. Uh, item number 13,
counter pending matters at this time.
Seeing none, I need, uh, item number 14,
adjournment. I need a motion to adjourn.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we adjourn.
I have a motion by Mr. dse. Support.
Support, Mr. Hoke. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Have a good evening everyone.