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Welcome to the City of Warren Planning Commission.
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Sprall.
Roll call. Madam Secretary, Commissioner, answer.
Yes. Commissioner dse. Present. Commissioner Hall
Present. Commissioner
Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Childry.
Commissioner Maurice. Present. Commissioner Beki Present.
Commissioner Smith.
Present a need a motion to excuse. Commissioner Childry.
I make a motion to excuse c Commissioner Childry.
Commissioner Hollow.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi in
support by Commissioner.
Commissioner Ansar? Yeah. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.
Any opposed? Item number four, approval of the agenda.
So moved. JE Support Beki.
There is a motion by Commissioner Dee.
Support by Commissioner Beki. All in favor? A. Aye. Aye.
Any opposed? Um,
is that, uh, Councilman?
No. No. Okay.
We or ex officials are here. Okay.
Okay. Okay. Alright. Very good.
Alright then, uh, item number six, public hearing items
Approval. The minutes.
Five minutes. We did not
Approval the minutes. We
just did approve. Minutes Approval. Agenda
We are missing by We did 'em both.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion
that we approve the minutes.
Okay. Motion to approve the minutes. Support
Beki.
That's what I have there. A motion by Commissioner dse.
Support by Commissioner Beki. All in favor? A.
Aye. Any opposed
It down there?
Item number six. A
Item number six, A request for a public alley.
Vacation and utility easement vacate the north half
of the existing north slash South
18 feet alley on the rear lots.
10, 11, 12 and 1 45
of VARs Garden subdivision located south of Jackson,
approximately 154 feet west of Van D**e.
Section 33 2 0 8 4 3.
Van D**e Avenue, FMHH Inc.
Hassan SRA, PAV 2 4 0 0 1.
Postponed from June 10th, 2024 and July 8th, 2024.
Planning staff recommends this item
to be postponed indefinitely.
Should this item be be brought back
before the planning commission.
New public notices shall be send, shall be send with this.
I'm also gonna read six B.
They're related site plan for expansion of existing car wash
and location of single family dwelling
located on the southwest corner of Van D**e
and Jackson Avenues.
Uh, 2 0 8 4 3 Van D**e Avenue
and 7 6 4 4 Jackson Avenue Lot seven to 12
and 1 43 to 1 45 of rebar regards Garden subdivision
Section 33.
Husan RA FM HH Inc. And RA Holdings. LLC.
Karen Bertie, Earl Earl and Rose.
P-L-L-C-P-S-P 2 4 0 0 1 2.
This was postponed from June 10th, 2024 And
July 8th, 2024.
Planning staff recommends this item
to be postponed indefinitely.
Should this item be bought back
before the planning commission,
new public notices shall be sent. Thank you.
Thank you Madam Secretary.
Normally we do these items separate
because they pertain to the same item
and they're both being postponed indefinitely.
We decided to take one vote for both items. Is that okay?
Redo that.
I I make a vote. Separate votes please.
They were called together,
but separate votes for each one. Each item. Okay.
Okay. Alright then.
So on item six A I need a motion to postpone indefinitely.
Commissioner Smith, I make a motion
to postpone indefinitely.
Uh, commissioner Hollow
Support.
That was the motion by Commissioner Hollow wadi.
Support by Commissioner Ansar.
I, Mr. Chairman, I may, uh, to the city attorney
or whoever.
What, why is this getting postponed
eliminated or whatever else?
Does anybody know?
I believe the planning department could,
or Michelle could address that reason.
There's some items that I, I'm aware of some items that have
to be cleared on.
Okay.
Um, commissioner, there is a letter in the packet,
but the petitioner is still looking into the feasibility
of the project and, um, there is a easement vacation
that's part of this that would require the relocation of
potentially, um, uh, a utility of sewer.
Okay. So they're looking into the feasibility and whether
or not they're gonna come back
after meeting with engineering
and determining what they would wanna do.
So this is more involved than the petitioner originally.
Then they originally realized, yes. Okay.
That's what I wanted to know. Thank you very much.
You're welcome. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Any other questions? Okay.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Ansara. Roll
Call. Commissioner Hall.
Yes. Commissioner Ansar? Yes.
Commissioner Ddue. Yeah. Commissioner Child.
Uh, commissioner Hawk. Yes. Commissioner more votes? Yes.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve? I am number six B. We read already.
So I need a motion.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we,
uh, postpone indefinitely. Item six
BI Support it.
There's a motion by Commissioner dse. Support by Mr. Hulk.
Roll call. Ms. You want to,
Michelle, do you wanna say anything on this?
The same. Okay. Uh, roll call please.
Commissioner Dza? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner Mor Votes? Yes. Commissioner Beke? Yes.
Commissioner Smith? Yes. The
Postpone indefinitely I am.
Number six C,
Request for standard rezoning located north
of eight Mile Road between Warner
and Bash Avenues from the present zoning classification
of R one C one Family residential district
to R one P one, family residential and parking district
and R four Mobile Home District two R three,
multiple family dwelling district.
Section 31 3 1 2 7 Maple
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This is Norman Winston
slash Continental Bridge Communities Lll C Tom Kas
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PR R 2 4 0 0 0 1. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary is the petitioner here? Yes.
Good evening sir. Can you come up
and tell us a little bit about the project?
Good evening, members of the Planning Commission.
My name is Tom Callis.
My address is 3 1 3 5 0 Telegraph Road,
suite 2 0 1.
Uh, tele on Bingham Farms, Michigan.
I'm here this evening on behalf of the owner
and the petitioner Continental Bridge Communities LLC.
We are seeking to reone the property
as indicated in the public hearing notice
to a R three multifamily residential district.
What this will allow us
to do is take the existing manufactured home community known
as Continental Bridge and repurpose it
and redevelop it for residential multi-family apartments.
Uh, the development currently consists
of 265 mobile home sites
of which 112 are currently vacant.
There are approximately 18 or 19 occupied units.
Four or five of the units of which my client owns.
And 134 of the sites have, uh, mobile homes that are
dilapidated bad condition have to, you know, literally have
to be removed from the site.
So what we are proposing with our development is that
we will have 12 buildings.
Uh, we will also be seeking a variance
for three story buildings,
which your zoning ordinance currently does not have a
provision for, but we will be seeking a
variance to allow that.
Um, the u the buildings will have 24 units in each building
for a total of 288 rental apartments.
These will be one, two, and three bedroom units.
They'll have a kitchen, a laundry area,
and a family room area.
Um, uh, they will cater to the general market.
They will not be age restricted.
Uh, it will help, uh,
this project will clean up this entire site.
It will repurpose it.
It's consistent with your 2021 uh, master, uh,
land use plan, which categorizes the, the site
as a redevelopment site.
Uh, that's what we are seeking to do here.
We feel the product will be actually very
aesthetically pleasing.
It'll be a nice, you'll have new landscaping.
Uh, the project consists of approximately 17.1 acres
and seven acres of that will be open space,
pocket park areas.
So you'll get a whole new site, new landscaping, um,
new development, um, you know, it's going
to be a very nice community
and something that is desirable, something
that's warranted in the market, something that's in demand.
So with that being said, we would kindly request,
and I do have with me here this evening,
a representative from the development side
and also our engineer in the event you have any questions.
Uh, but with that being said, we're here
to answer any questions
and we would ask for a favorable
recommendation for the rezoning.
Um, and also,
I don't know if the Planning commission makes a
recommendation on the variance request,
but again, we will be seeking a variance
to go from two story buildings to three stories.
Thank you.
Thank you sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence. Seeing
none. Thank you.
Plain direct plain Department's recommendation,
The following recommendation is made to city council
regarding the rezoning request for the property in question.
As described above, it's recommended
that the rezoning request from R one C one family
residential district, R one, P one, family residential
and parking district and R four Mobile Home district
to R three multiple family dwelling district be approved.
The location is an adequate location
for multiple family housing development.
The proposed rezoning satisfies the following concepts.
A rezoning the property would allow a higher residential
density infill development in an area
that has seen a reduction of housing units.
B rezoning the property would eliminate the prospect
of a property of the property being proposed for rezoning
for higher use such as office, commercial,
industrial, and C.
The use provides additional missing middle residential, um,
housing uses as described in the 2021 wor master plan.
The future land use map
and the 2021 master plan indicates the
property as a redevelopment.
Site planning Staff believes this category suits the site
well as it has experienced loss of housing units due
to dilapidated mobile home units being removed,
leaving vacancies throughout the property.
It is the planning staff's opinion that this
property is suitable for a complete redevelopment
for a multiple, multiple family infill project.
Um, prior to the rezoning request being forwarded
to city council 15, additional copies of the concept plan
and survey shall be submitted to the planning department
and the petitioner should be apprised of the fact
that formal site plan approval
before the planning commission is required prior
to obtaining a building permit.
Should the city council grant the rezoning request.
And just a note on the variance that was mentioned,
that is not something that gets approved tonight.
Um, that the rezoning would go through first
and then there would if approved,
there'd be site plan approval
and then there'd be potentially variances
that would be needed as part of that um, application.
Right. This ends the recommendation.
Thank you Ms. Michelle. Welcome. This is a public hearing.
Anyone would like to speak on this. Please come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Yes. I'm Pamela Rogers.
I'm one of the residents there
and currently I just would like to know where do we go?
I don't have a current layout of what we're supposed to do,
if we're supposed to be moving our stuff in, uh,
storage units or anything, but that wasn't brought to us.
Um, my question is, are these homes coming?
Are there fixed incomes that's going to be allowed
to stay there or are these people are just
going to tell us to move?
I don't know the situation
because this is kind of last minute to everyone.
Most of us are on fixed incomes. That's why I'm asking.
Um, how long is this project? Because I don't know.
This is, like I said, this is new to me.
I would also like to know if
they're gonna offer us a place once these are done.
I mean at this point we're all kind of blind to it.
I just wanna know what's the in, what's the outlay
for the residents that are here now?
It's, I think it's like 19 of us.
Something to that, that effect.
So Thank you.
Thank you ma'am. Anyone else like to speak on this?
My name's David Matto. I live in the park currently.
Um, this is like I'm, my concern is hers.
I'm retired, I'm on a fixed income. I have a disabled wife.
Took me 10 years to pay my mortgage off
and now what am I supposed to do?
You're gonna have another apartment complex like Warren
Manor that's on De Quinter,
which is our police department spends a lot
of time in there.
I mean, basically what are we supposed to do?
I don't have the money to move.
Have you seen the current housing market and everything?
The block over houses are $169,000.
I don't have that kind of money.
I mean, what are we supposed to do?
We've lived there all these years because of bad management
and everything else and the city letting it get
that far run down.
I've lived there for a long time.
It used to be a gorgeous park.
Look at what Sun communities did with Lafayette.
They fixed it up
and it's a gorgeous place to raise kids in the apartments.
Ain't no place to raise children's, my opinion.
Thank you sir. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Hi, I'm Delphine Rowan. I live in the park.
I've been there 26 years.
Um, like previous person before me.
It's all about bad management,
bad managers, bad maintenance.
People above them aren't doing anything.
The homeowners we're trying.
We keep up as best we can for these older trailers
and we are gonna be homeless 'cause we are low income.
Thank you ma'am.
Hi, I'm Gary Riviera. I'm a resident over there.
Um, I've been there 27 years.
Um, as everybody knows that lives there still.
I have probably one of the best places in there.
I've kept it up. I've built stuff on it.
I the landscaping's. Nice.
Um, As as if we have to move,
are we going to get some kind of supplement
for our trailers or some kind of money?
I mean, none of us have money to move out.
I mean, where are we gonna go for the rent
that we're paying right now?
There is none. Um,
I guess that's about it.
Where we, where do we go? You know, that's what the plan is.
I mean, I, we all figured we were gonna stay here
until we probably pass away, you know,
but I, we figured it was gonna get turned around
and put back into another trailer park, which that's
what it started to be.
They put new py lines in,
they cleaned it up a little bit and then it stopped.
And now all of a sudden it sounds like everybody wants us
to get thrown out of there with,
and we're gonna lose our homes.
You know, what happens to our trailers?
You trash 'em, tear 'em down.
We ain't got no, we can't pull 'em out
because they're, they're older.
So something would be
as money or something to, to move
or help move us, you know? That's all.
Thank you sir. Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
My name is Mother Becker.
I live, live in the park for last 32 years
and I maintain my, you know, place really well.
And, uh, we don't know what this is going on
because of bad management
or what that uh, we, we have no idea at,
at the lower, lower place.
Okay. What is going on in the management, you know,
so they should be more, you know, like open to us, you know,
Kiki, what is going on?
And, but it never happened.
When we go to talk to the manager, she will just say
that ki I don't know anything, you know, get lost basically.
You know? So we, we like to know that
what is going to happen to us.
I miss says I am retired.
I'm on very, very low income
and uh, I I just barely get by every month, you know?
So what this new owner, they want
to build all these buildings there
and it's going to be all crowded everywhere around there,
you know, around eight mile road.
So what, what his plans are, you know,
I say he should have put another, you know,
like a newer mobile homes there
and that would've been a lot better, you know,
rather than building all these, you know,
giant buildings there.
And that is what my opinion is.
So they need to be, you know, more clear
and open to us so that we get better idea.
Kiki, what is going on in upper management, you know?
And if we are going to move that, are they going
to throw us out in middle of winter?
I may say that is not going to happen.
You know, I mean, says I'm running almost old days now
and I'm on a low income and I try to go and find some places
and there there is a wait like almost up
to two years, 18 months.
And the rents are like skyrocketed.
I mean, says it like, you know, $900
and $1,200 rents that I can't afford it.
You know? And that's all I wanted to know.
I mean, what this, these guys' plans are, you know,
Kiki throw all people out over here.
Most of lot of them are like retired
and, you know, disabled people.
I mean they need to make some arrangement, you know,
in writing Kiki, they'll at least pay for something
or move us someplace where we can afford it.
They need to give us some idea, you know,
I miss, I'm a bit confused.
Give what is going on here, you know?
So that's all I want to say, you know.
Thank you sir. Yeah.
Hi, my name's Tina Canoe.
I actually own a home right on the border of, um, on B,
which be 2 0 7 5 8.
Um, I'm more concerned if it's three stories
and it's already two stories.
People are already gonna be looking down in my home,
in my windows, in my yard.
I will not have privacy.
Um, on top of that, my street alone floods constantly.
What about the plumbing situation with the city?
There's no water drainage that's very decent at all
because it's always coming back to my house.
Um, and our my other question is,
are they gonna open up my street now
because it is a dead end.
And um, the lighting
was another issue on where the lighting is.
How much lighting? Why is it,
how is it gonna affect my home?
I don't right now. I like what it is. It's quiet.
It's like a community.
Um, yes, I'm all for
investing in the property.
I understand they sold it for over $11 million,
which I don't understand,
but okay,
what's the property value gonna now change on my own home,
which is not a, in that structure,
but right there on that, on the border line,
my like fence is right there next to Gary's house.
So that's my concern.
I have kids, I don't want people looking in my window all
night, all day long.
That's just, it's not gonna be convenient for any of 'em.
And I'm, my first concern was these guys,
where are they gonna go?
They're not gonna be able to go anywhere.
Who's gonna help them out?
Um, and then what was my other question was,
oh, the rent over there, what is it gonna be
for two and three bedrooms?
Because the little two family next door
to me is a two bedroom.
One home is over $1,100 on the lower end, on the lower half.
And that's a two bedroom. And the other two bedroom is
11 or 10 50.
These, our community can't afford that amount of money,
you know, for rent.
I know I'm just speaking for other people,
but I'm just saying as far as property value for my home,
I wanna know what the difference is with that change,
with that zoning.
What's the difference gonna be for regular homeowners
because it is gonna affect us in the end and the plumbing
and sewage situation is not feasible for
what they're trying to put in.
It's just gonna be basically S**T up in my basement
and I'm not gonna be dealing with that.
I really hope this gets rethought.
And you guys really understand under,
if they do wanna build something, build smaller homes,
smaller condos.
Can you wrap up your comments please?
Excuse me? Can you wrap up your comments, your three
Minutes? Yeah, that's it. Thank you.
Thank you.
Good evening. My name is Matthew.
Um, I am a homeowner of four years now.
First home on here in Warren.
It is on Albina Avenue, which sits on that backside
of the proposed site there.
Um, my first concern is that oversight of
three story building looking into my backyard.
This plan could have the parking lot back behind them.
So the parking lot's on the fence
and then we don't have them staring into our backyards.
Um, I don't see you guys not approving this.
It's, it's for a community,
but I really hope you take in consideration to those
that own their place.
You can't sell your mobile home.
How are you gonna sell that?
You uh, don't see them getting their money worth it.
I'm a new homeowner. I know we lose, um,
power throughout there
because that property line, oops, sorry.
That power line that runs through there, utility lines
between my property and the, uh, proposed site there.
There's old growth trees.
There's going to, there's gonna be a need.
A lot of work done there. And that leads me
to when they're gonna be allowed to do their work.
Is it gonna start at 7:00 AM on Saturdays?
I mean, this is gonna be a lot of construction.
You're gonna take out all
that infras existing infrastructure.
Um, and that brings me to the current management of this,
um, site.
They, they don't do anything
until they get in trouble by the city.
And I'm lucky to get the city out there
to do something about it.
Uh, there is a hundred year old tree
fell on my neighbor's house in the park there.
Uh, they, somebody handwritten me a letter from the
management company telling them, telling me it was my fault
and I needed to get removed.
We all know how that works. The tree was a healthy tree.
It fell. It's natural causes
or act of God you want to call it, but they won't.
They that sat there, they didn't do anything.
There's other dilapidated houses that how,
uh, trees have fallen on.
They don't do anything about it. They won't mow the grass.
Um, there's been a couple times where police have looked
for people and you know, they'll, they have to close down
that whole section 'cause there's dilapidated houses
there or the trailer park.
So they have to make sure they're secure, you know,
it's just, it's poor management as existing as it is.
I just, you know, I can see the development
of the community, but not
with this site, not with these plans.
You have one entrance on the side street,
so you're gonna have everybody come up, what is it?
Ryan Road. And then they're gonna fly down Avina Avenue
as they already do to probably come down
and get into their entrance down there.
Um, I can tell you from working eight years in property
management, you're not gonna have a a management company
that's going to manage it in a decent manner that's going
to keep the property clean all the time.
That's so many units. Can you
Please wrap up your comments, sir?
You don't hire a management company that's going
to do super well to handle that many manage
or that type of income housing.
It's not gonna be managed well, I can tell you.
Um, just please take all those things
into consideration. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
Anyone else like to come and speak on this item?
Like I say, state your name and address for the record.
Hi, my name is Dane Dillon.
Um, I live on Alvin Avenue
and I also just like the last, um, person
is a first time home buyer.
And, um, I've been living on that avenue for six years.
Um, when I first got there, my question was also,
you know, driving just around the community realizing
that this area needs some help.
Um, I realized as a first time home buyer, um,
a lot of things, the com, the warrant itself, um,
has been very spot on with um, trash pickup
and those items on my avenue.
And I wondered with the management of our, um, city,
why is this area not being managed the same way?
I remember, um, cutting down a tree, leaving the leaves
and branches and very quickly I was told that I need
to pick it up, which I subsequently did that.
Now if we continue down Warner Avenue, um,
there is a modified home, um, section
and if you continue down past nine mile,
there's another modified home, um, area
where those are well maintained.
I would like us to consider not displacing the family,
but also seeing how we can better manage the situation at,
um, this area right here.
I would definitely want this to be improved. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
Is anyone else like to speak on this item?
Yes. My name is Anthony Jordan.
Me and my girlfriend stay on Maple.
And my question is, well I realize that, um,
change is inevitable
and something really needed to be done to their property.
But what I haven't really seen addressed is what's going
to happen to those people who already reside there.
You mentioned a building.
You gonna be building this and building that.
Will it incorporate the people
that are already residents there?
Are you gonna buy their homes, their mobile homes?
Will you section off part of the property
for, um, low income?
Because everybody that's in the park is either
low income or disabled.
That has not really been addressed
and it needs to be addressed.
These people need a place to move to.
You haven't said anything about that.
You leaving people thinking that they're gonna be homeless,
living in a shelter at no place to go.
This needs to be addressed.
We need to know what's gonna happen in the homes,
in the mobile homes that people own.
What, how will they be compensated?
Are you going to set up a section eight low income in some
of the buildings that you're putting up?
I haven't heard nothing mentioned about that.
And these people are very low income or disabled
or on very fixed income.
Need to address the real issues.
Don't talk about what you're going
to do for all these other people.
Talk about the people who are residing there now.
I mean, they stayed there through thick and thin
and a dilapidated place
because they really have no place else to go.
And you need to give them options.
Not just, we gonna build this, we gonna build that.
What about the people who are there address that issue?
Give them choices. Tell them
how they're gonna be compensated.
Let them have a place to move to.
And as I said, change is inevitable
and sometimes change can be painful,
but you do not make people homeless
in order to make changes.
Address the real issue. What's gonna happen to those people?
That's all I gotta say. My three minutes are up.
Thank you sir. Anybody else like
to come up and speak on this item?
So you, now I'm gonna turn it over to the commission.
Can I say something again? Can I have another say?
She wanted to say something. Well, please,
public hearing was closed, ma'am, but Okay, go ahead.
Go ahead. I I'll allow you this One time I
Sat with a 20 foot branch
on my roof for six months.
These are hazardous trees all through that park
that are falling in our homes.
And when it fell on my home,
they took a tree down from a manager's house
who wasn't having no problems with them.
Tree branches. I have cats,
raccoons, possums, gophers
scratching at my floorboard
because of the manager of my park
and the maintenance man feeding them 14 plates
a day, three times.
We need something done in that park.
I've been calling the city, I've been reporting it to the
park and they do nothing.
Thank you ma'am.
Public hearing is now closed.
I'm gonna turn it over to the commission.
Commissioner chair, make a motion to proof of
with questions to the petitioner.
I second that with, um,
commissions to the petitioner as well.
There's a motion to approve
with commissioner support comm comm.
Motion to approve by Commissioner Hollow, supported
by Commissioner Benke discussion.
I if the petitioner can come up. I have a few questions.
Good evening, sir. Good evening, sir. Okay.
As you heard from a lot of residents
who are currently living there, has any
consideration been done as far
as compensating them in any way?
In having them? Unfortunately, are, are they gonna be given,
you know, how they can be compensated
possibly for their move or anything? Sure.
Um, thank you Mr. Chairman.
If I may, my name is Marcus SA
with Continental Bridge Community
3 1 5 5 0 Northwestern Highway.
Um, work with the development side as well
as the management side so I can answer a lot
of the questions that were brought up this evening.
Um, certainly as we would all agree, a lot
of this park has become functionally obsolete.
Um, and what I mean by that, this park was built,
I'm gonna guess 50 years ago.
Um, so the, the type of parks that were built 50
or 60 years ago is not like what's built today.
If you look at the sun community, that's up the road.
That's more the traditional style, the deeper sized lots
that can accommodate a new home that would allow, uh,
for today's day and age.
Um, all very good questions by these residents.
And, and just lemme clear up a few things.
Um, there's 14 owner occupied homes there.
Four or five are rental, uh,
but there's 14 owner occupied homes.
And based on the state of Michigan laws
that are out there today, um,
we must provide a one year notice upon a change
of use to vacate the park.
So to ease everybody's concerns,
this isn't gonna be happening this year at Christmas in
January, upon approvals from the municipality,
then the ownership will go ahead
and enact that one year timeframe.
But there's a lot of work to do prior to that timeframe.
So just to give everybody a little bit con uh, ease on
that timing, the where do we go?
Uh, we've been in touch with a few different communities,
mobile home park communities
to see if there would be some availability
to take some of these residents.
And again, we've got some time
and we have some opportunities to work
with these residents when we get there.
But to answer your question, Mr.
Commissioner, at this point,
we don't have any dollar amounts.
Quite frankly, there isn't a dollar amount that's required,
but certainly we'll work with the residents.
One item, this is going to be an affordable,
attainable community.
These aren't gonna be high-end apartments that we're looking
to rent like downtown Detroit.
I mean, it's, this is something that we want for everybody.
We're actually working with the state agencies to see
what we can do on offering the folks
that live their first rights.
There are some legalities with that.
So I'm not prepared to make that commitment at this point,
but we'd like to.
I think they deserve it. I mean, some
of these residents been there 32 years, I wrote down.
That's a long time. Uh, God bless 'em.
Um, so we're looking to make this into a better community.
There was some comments from the neighbors.
Certainly we have, um, Mr. Wilson here with a EW uh,
that can talk about the drainage
and the lighting at the right time.
We'll submit a photometric plan, um,
submit a full landscaping plan, being very sensitive
to the screening to the neighbors to the north.
And, um, drainage sewer there.
I could tell you because I live in Macomb County as well,
the drainage requirements in McComb County are probably one
of the most strict and all
of southeast Michigan from a new development standpoint
with the, uh, uh, the new parameters that they have
between stormwater and sanitary sewer.
Um, and the park
will have four access points.
I heard somebody say it's one,
but there'll be four, um, that are,
that are shown on the plant at this point.
And again, you know, we, we took a look at this
and say, Hey look, can we make this into a revitalized
manufactured housing community?
'cause certainly the demand is there.
The reality is based on the road pattern, the depth
of the lots, uh, the setbacks that are there today,
and more importantly, the
new homes that are out there today.
It's just functionally obsolete.
And all these homes that are there today, 134 that need
to be demoed, I can't agree more.
They do need to be demoed.
So we'll be working with the community upon approvals
to get this park cleaned up from a demolition standpoint,
tree removal standpoint, and get it ready for development.
Hope that answers your questions.
Thank you, sir. Any other questions?
I still have one other quick,
quick question for the petitioner.
Go ahead. What, there was a question brought up about, uh,
possibly it was said it would be a three story
apartments correct.
Can any modification be done to the ones
that would be facing the residence?
So, so that they can still be given their privacy?
So that's a good question, Mr. Commissioner at this point,
you know, we're gonna have to go back.
This is certainly as any plan is,
is based on density, right?
And based on economic density to make this viable, uh,
for not only the community, but for the developer as well.
The three story product.
Um, and again, this is just a concept plan at this point.
We'll take it to full engineering, we'll be well screened
between the residents
and we've developed projects that are adjacent
to a sewage treatment plant to be very canid with it.
You wouldn't know it's there based on the way
that we screened it with the 25
or 30 foot avices that we have between the neighbors and us.
Quite frankly, I don't think the neighbors wanna see the
community, nor does the community wanna see the neighbors if
they're living there and paying rent.
So it's gonna be the onus of the developer
to not only screen it properly from a photometric
standpoint, minimize any lights
that are coming onto the neighbors.
Um, but I, I think when it's all said
and done, this will be an asset to the neighbors,
to the community, and hopefully the
residents are living here today.
If we can get 'em into this place, I have no doubt
that these residents are all brought up.
Bad management. This was not sold for $11 million.
This was given back to the lender.
Thank you chair. Thank you. Anyone else?
I have, I have one question.
He, he stumbled on a couple of 'em here.
Would you, um, consider
or have anything in your plans for one of the units,
possibly single fa uh, you know, single dwellings
for seniors, veterans and disability? Yeah,
Certainly designated. Take that
into consideration. I think it's a great idea.
And, and again, because when you get into affordable,
there's laws and rules, then who you select
and who can be in there.
So prior to making that commitment,
certainly we wanna reach out to our mista specialists
and our HUD specialists to see if that's a allowed,
but I'd have no issues with that.
Yeah, I think that would be a help.
'cause I think some of the people in there are fall into
those categories and, um, yeah, I,
because I was concerned about the three stories
and also the timeframe. Yeah,
Timeframe. Again,
you know, it's, it's a one year by legislation.
Certainly we're gonna work with the neighbors, um,
that are living there today to be sure that
everybody has proper planning
and we'll do what we can to assist. Thank
You.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this?
Mr. Chairman? Go ahead. If I may. Go ahead. Go ahead, sir.
Um, uh, I am, uh,
I'm feeling a little better
that you're thinking about the residents that are there
and how you can address what their situation is
and what their, uh, problems are going into it.
Um, I think this is a good idea.
Uh, the original drawings
and everything are, are interesting to put it,
to put it mildly.
But, um, this entire,
I think a lot of changes are gonna end up being
done on these drawings.
I agree. Um, that's one, two, um,
there was a young lady that said she lives on a street.
What street was that on?
5 2 7 2 7 5 8 5 On the east side of the
Planet. Okay. You're, you're on the end.
Um,
no and fair enough.
I just wanted to know if, if that's gonna be a
through street or not.
No, um, by the look of it, it's not gonna be a
through street or so far,
it's not gonna be a through street.
Um, this is gonna have to go in front
of the fire department, the police department,
every other department in the city.
Um, I think that it's a good idea to clean it up.
I like the idea that you're having a, uh, retention pond
for the problems with some of the, uh, flooding
and so on and so forth.
Um, if it's done properly,
I don't think it'd be a problem with the three, even
with the three stories.
But, uh, if there are 14 homes, there are 14 families,
uh, that are going to need some serious help.
And I expect I'm not asking,
I'm expecting, uh, you and,
and the corporation to help step up
to the plate and help these people.
If, if they've busted their, if they've lived there for
as long as some of these people have said
that they lived there, I really think you ought
to seriously think about getting together with them
and going over some of your plans.
Have you had a meeting with the, with the residents yet?
So we haven't, uh, Mr.
Commissioner and, you know, without
concerning the residents, the, again, the notification
of change of use would only go out upon a change of use
as opposed to concern them.
I mean, we've been working with, uh, the city on this
for months on getting to this point.
And if the change of use didn't occur, quite frankly,
they've got nothing to worry about.
But, you know, I'm not sure if
that's where they want to be as well. Um,
And that's, and that's a fair,
Fair point. And I, you've
got my commitment, Mr.
Commissioner, you brought up a good point.
I mean, these people have been there
for an average 30 years.
Okay. Um, that's a long time to be anywhere.
Uh, and, and we will work with them to relocate them.
We will work with them to provide assistance.
We'll work with them on getting into this community if
that's what they're choosing us
to be, uh, at the right time.
But first it starts with the change of
Use. Uh,
and I understand that and I, I hope that
after everything is said done
and some of the, some of the, uh,
zoning questions are answered Sure.
That you'll be able to come up with, uh, uh, it,
it is a good looking plan so far,
but I, I, I see problems on it that are going
to need some serious modifications.
So that being said, I I'm very happy that you've agreed
to work with the residents there
and to help alleviate their concerns.
Sure. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Commissioner Doe. Anyone else?
Thank you Mr. Chairman. No, uh,
this is the commission section right now.
So audience participation has been closed.
Uh, anyone other commissioner wanna comment?
Uh, I'd like to make a comment to the petitioner.
I agree with a lot of the people here.
They've been there for years and a lot
of 'em can't afford to move.
When they did the project down north of nine Mile,
they had a meeting with some of the residents
and they're gonna do this and do that.
And they went and they wiped out a bunch of trees.
Well, a lot of 'em need to be wiped out.
And with your plan, you're gonna wipe out a lot of trees.
There's a lot of old trees that have been
in years and years and years.
And I can understand they've caused problems over the years.
But one thing we as a commission we have
to keep in mind tonight is this is, uh, just a vote
for rezoning to change it from the previous zonings
of R one P, R one CR four to R three,
which is multifamily development.
Okay? So that's all this vote is for tonight.
They still have to come back
before us with a site plan that we have to go through.
And at that point, we can make any
adjustments that need to be made.
And that point, the petitioner might want
to make arrangements to have a meeting with some
of the community people just to get their views.
Because like I said, a lot of people,
if they've been living there for a long time,
they don't wanna just get up and move somewhere.
They're used to the area
and they, they'd rather kind of stay in the area.
So it would be nice if you had some units
that they could possibly move into, you know.
But all this consider
and taken into consideration, like I say, the,
the retention pod's gonna help with flooding.
And so you got a lot of good aspects of this program,
of this project, which is, which would be helpful.
Like I say, as far as the three story,
there's some questions there.
'cause people don't want you looking in the backyard.
But then that gets to the engineering
and design of the project,
which comes back again in site plan approval.
So tonight all we're approving is the rezoning
for multifamily, just to get the one zone
to accomplish the whole project.
Okay. Any other questions?
Okay. Thank you Chairman.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Menke. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow Wadi.
Yes. Commissioner Bki. Yes. To approve.
Yes. To approve. Commissioner Ey? Yes.
To approve Commissioner Hawk. Yes.
To approve Commissioner Vo. Yes. Commissioner Smith.
Yes. To approve. Thank you sir.
Hopefully we get together
and work with the residents and certainly Williams Trump.
Make this a good project for everyone. It's
Gotta be a win-win all the way round.
We will certainly look forward to working
with the commission, the residents and staff. Thank
You. Thank you, sir.
Item number
seven, correspondence, uh,
planning commission bylaws amended.
September 23rd, 2024.
Uh, attorney you wanna talk on that?
I believe the bylaw amendment that was just adopted
by the commission has been adopted into the bylaws.
And I believe Mr.
C Crabtree planning department
provided the commission with a full updated copy
of bylaws just to have a reference.
Any questions on the bylaws?
When you look the mower,
you need a motion to receive and file.
Motion to receive and file bii
Support.
There is a motion by Commissioner Beki, supported
by Commissioner DSE receiving file roll call.
Commissioner Beki. Yes. Commissioner dse? Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Ma Ez. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To receive and file item number eight, old business
Site plan for a parking lot edition
for marijuana Testing Lab located on the west side
of Mount Road, approximately 32.27 feet south
of Hayden Road.
2 0 8 2 9 Mount Road.
2 0 9 4 6 dash
2 0 4 2 0 8 4 0 Albany Road, section 32.
Seth Parker and Joseph Gumma, PSP 2 2 0 0 3 5.
This was approved on September 26th, 2022.
Petitioner is requesting a one year extension
to September 26.
2025. Thank you.
Is the petitioner here tonight?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Can you Tell us a little bit about
why you need an extension? Yes.
So we received, my name is Sky Patel.
Uh, I'm one of the partners in the project.
So we need an extension
because in 2023 fall we received our C of O.
We were planning to do the parking lot.
At that point, we could not secure bids
and enough contractor interest to do the parking lot.
It's not big enough of a job for most people
and it's, uh, it was hard to generate interest.
We generated interest in spring of 2024,
but began discussions
to acquire the building directly to the north of us.
That would allow us to take all of the land
behind our building and create one parking lot instead
of one partial lot that we have right now.
Uh, it would also allow for an entrance off
of Hayden Street if we redo, uh, the plans right now.
Currently our parking lot has one entrance in from the
alleyway that we also have to redo.
If we can finish acquiring the neighbor's building,
we would resubmit plans.
But on the off chance that we are unable to do that,
we would need an extension
so we can do our original plan in
the spring of the following year.
Thank you, sir. Uh, correspondence.
Seeing none. Planning department's recommendation.
Seeing none. Okay.
I'd like to need a motion to
approve a one year extension to September 26. 2025.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion
to approve the extension for a year.
Mr. Chairman, I second that motion.
There is a motion by Commissioner dse, supported
by Mr. Holloway Hollow, uh,
to extend an an one year extension to September 26th, 2025.
Roll call. Commissioner
Dse. Yes.
Commissioner Hollow. Yes. Commissioner Anza? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Meki? Yes.
Commissioner Mauri Ez. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To extend September 26th, 2025. Thank you, sir.
Thank you. Good luck. Good luck
and hopefully you can get everything done by then.
Item number nine, bond relations. Seeing none, number 10.
New business. Seeing none. Number 11, citizen participation.
Anybody in the audience would like to come up and speak.
You'll have three minutes to say your name
and address for the court reporting
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none. Uh, item number 12,
planning commission Business 12
A Planning director's report.
I,
Good evening.
Um, I'll keep it brief. Um, so some of the planning staff
and commissioners attended the Michigan Association
of Planning Conference in Grand Rapids, um,
from September 25th through 27th.
Um, and, and that took place at the Amway Grand Plaza Hotel.
And the sessions offered, covered a range of planning topics
such as zoning, housing ethics, legal, environmental, um,
there were also mobile tours for hands-on experience.
And, um, I had a good time there
and I, if any of the commissioners like to discuss
that under business, that, um, you could do that as well.
Um, and then on Thursday, October 3rd, there was a meeting
that took place regarding the Warren Town Center project.
Uh, city staff and elected officials were in attendance
Planner Robert Gibbs
of the Gibbs Planning Group gave a presentation pertaining
to the feasibility of the downtown project
and an overview of the retail market study.
And there'll be more meetings
to come on the, on the downtown.
And this week, on Thursday, October 10th at 6:00 PM uh,
the state of the city will be taking place, um,
here at the community center.
And it's free and open to the public.
And so this ends the report. Thank you.
Thanks Ms. Michelle. You're welcome. Any questions for Ms.
Michelle? Seeing
none, item have number 12.
A planning, commission, discussion and concerns,
Uh, Mr. Chairman,
if I may,
and I, I'll keep this brief, um,
in my sojourns around the trailer park, um,
I came down to Elvina
and we've got a rezoning request
that's dated 2020, about
between one and 200 feet west of Ryan.
Um, it's, uh, the, the, the names
and everything seem right,
but the date is September 24th, 2020.
Date of public hearing.
If we can have somebody either take a look at it
or tear it out or whatever, um,
or let us know if it's a valid sign or whatever.
Um, but it's on Elvina, uh, like I said, between one
and 200 feet west of Ryan on the north side of the road.
That's it. Thank you, Mr.
Chair. Thank you, sir. Anyone else?
Seeing none. Item 13. Uh, calendar Pending manners.
Seeing none. Item the 14. I need a motion to adjourn.
Motion to adjourn. Mr. Chairman, I second that motion.
That is a motion by Commissioner dse,
supported by Commissioner Hollow.
Wadi roll call.
All all. Aye. Aye.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Have a good evening everyone.