Good evening.
Welcome to the City of War and Planning Commission meeting.
It's October 21st.
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Roll call, please. Commissioner
er. Yes. Present. Commissioner Ey?
Yes. Commissioner Hollow Present. Commissioner Hawk.
Commissioner Ry Present. Commissioner Morris Present.
Commissioner Beki. Commissioner Smith.
Present. You need a motion
to excuse Commissioner Hollow Wadi.
I mean, excuse me. No, I'm sorry. Commissioner Hulk.
And Commissioner Beki. You need a
Motion? I, I I make a
motion to excuse Commissioner, uh, Hulk
And, And Commissioner Beki.
And Beki too. Okay.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi.
Support. Support by Commissioner dse.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Motion to the approval of the agenda?
So move. Mr. Chairman Dre,
Support Commissioner Chaudry.
That was a motion by Commissioner dse,
supported by Commissioner c Chaudry.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Approve of the minutes of October 7th, 2024.
I make a motion to approve the minutes.
Commissioner Hollow
Support Commissioner c Chari.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow wadi supported
by Commissioner c Chari approve the minutes
of October 7th, 2024.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
I could take a minute and recognize our two ex officials,
Councilwoman McGee and Councilman Newman.
Good evening. Okay.
Item number six, a public hearing items
Item number six, A special land used with site plan
for used car sales
and parking lot expansion located on the southwest corner
of Gross back Highway and nine Mile Road.
2 2 7 5 5 gross back highway section 35.
Joseph Triangle, JNT investment
P-S-P-P-S-P-S-L
2 4 0 0 0 1.
This is postponed from September 9th, 2024.
Petitioner request is that this item remain postponed
to December 16th, 2024.
Thank you,
Mr. Chairman.
Yes. Uh, I'd like to make a motion that we postpone
this item until December 16th for Mr. Joseph
Ali.
Okay. That support,
Support Commissioner Chore
As admission by Commissioner dse, supported
by Commissioner Chowdry to postpone this item
to December 16th, 2024.
Correct. Roll call.
Roll call. Commissioner Doe. Yes. Commissioner Childry?
Yes. Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hall? Yes.
Commissioner Murray T. Yes. Commissioner Smith? Yes.
The postpone in December 16th, 2024. Item number six B.
Item number six B.
Site plan for permanent outdoor retail sales of flower,
fireworks and holiday items located on the northwest corner
of 13 Mile and Mount Road.
5 8 2 1 dash 5 8 2 3 13 mile Road, section five,
Matt and 13.
And Mount LLC, Michael Canari and Mike Fruit
and Flowers, PSP 2 4 0 0 2 2.
Thank you.
Thank you ma'am. Secretary. Mr. Er here? Yes.
Good evening. Yes. Good evening, Ms. Bernie.
Good evening. Karen Birdie on behalf
of Mike Sru and Flowers.
Mr. Acker is here, uh, in the audience.
If we need him, we can call him up.
He just had foot surgery a couple weeks ago.
Um, my address is 3 1 8 5 1 Mound Road, Warren, Michigan,
4 8 0 9 3.
As stated, we're here tonight to seek approval
of permanent outdoor retail sales.
These are sales that I believe you are familiar with, off
of 13 Mile, um, just west of Mound.
And those sales have been going on, uh, for flowers,
holiday items and fireworks for a good 19 years.
Um, maybe even a little more,
but 19 is for sure what I can remember.
And during that time period,
he has had no written violations at all, ever.
Anytime there's been any issue
or anything brought up, he's addressed it straight on
with the city and has dealt with it.
I have to say that having those outdoor sales for flowers
and holiday items has become for a lot
of people in Warren, a tradition.
I know that I had, uh, took my children there
to buy pumpkins
and I now take my granddaughter, uh, to buy, uh, pumpkins
and she likes to buy the flowers
for the porch, et cetera there.
I also kind of wanna point out, um, I was up
north a little bit, um, up by Romeo at one
of the apple orchards, uh, where they sell pumpkins.
And I was quite surprised.
Um, they were doing pumpkins by the weight
and I was seeing people spending $66 for pumpkins,
$52 for pumpkins.
I ordered a 10 ounce apple cider slushie and it was $10.
I have to say that a lot of hardworking, um,
families in the city of Warren can't
afford an outing like that.
Um, with prices like that.
And it's nice that we have a place here in Warren
where families can go and pick out a pumpkin
and all different price ranges.
He's got little gorge this big to bigger pumpkins,
and he's got beautiful flowers in the fall.
He's got vegetable plants for people to plant.
And, um, I just wanna say I think it's a good alternative
that we have that here in the city.
Um, I have read the recommendation by the planning staff.
Um, we are in agreement
with all the provisions, um, of that.
And we ask that you look favorably upon, uh, this item
and I'll be available for any
questions should you have them.
Thank you. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes,
current engineering preliminary review
of this site has yelled at No comments from the
engineering division fire.
The Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
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Thank you ma'am. Secretary Plan
Department's recommendation.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, site plan
for permanent outdoor retail sales of flowers, fireworks,
and holiday items, uh, located on the northwest corner of,
uh, 13 Mile and Mound Roads, uh,
in village in the Village Plaza Shopping Center, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
One, a, change the title of the site plan C point
100 from seasonal to permanent.
Uh, also make this change in the title block, uh,
area listed under project one B.
Add, uh, permanent outdoor retail sales schedule,
uh, to the order of operations chart one C.
The hours of operations, uh,
shall be indicated on the plan 1D.
Confirm, uh, the proposed outdoor sales end date
for the Christmas trees.
The chart indicates the end date as, uh, December 2nd.
However, the dates, uh, when no tents are
to be on on the site are indicated as, uh, December 23rd
through March 15th, one E
under, uh, uh, total provided.
And that's factoring two new tents.
The two needs to be changed to factoring one new tent.
Only one tent is proposed on the site.
One F uh, under total
provided, uh, parking spaces
in the second line change tents to tent.
Additionally, the number of spaces reduced, uh,
to accommodate the tent needs to be updated as less spaces
are reduced as only one tent will be in operation.
Uh, condition number two, the, uh, site plan approved
by the planning commission on March 2nd, uh, excuse me,
March 28th, uh,
2022 shall be withdrawn by the petitioner upon approval
of the new site plan for permanent outdoor retail sales
of flowers, fireworks, and the holiday items.
Uh, the new project, uh,
is the same outdoor retail sales request
as previously approved.
The only difference is that the location is
that the location of the tents has changed.
Uh, condition number three, uh, the cash bond, a cash bond
of in the amount of $500 to be posted.
The proposed bond amount, uh, should be enough
for the final cleanup of the site.
And number four, uh, they shall, uh, comply
with all regulations for outdoor retail sales found
in section 4.53 of the zoning ordinance.
So with that Mr. Chair, uh, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Ward. This is a public hearing.
If there's anyone here would like
to speak on this item, please come up.
State your name and address for the record,
and you have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none, we'll close the public
hearing and turn over to the commission.
I need a motion
Chairman, I have a question for the petitioner.
We need to make a motion first.
Oh, I thought we had a
Motion. No, Mr.
Chairman, I'll make a motion that we approve, uh,
the site plan for permanent outdoor retail sales, uh,
as listed in our recommendation, uh, with discussion.
I second that motion. That was a motion
by Commissioner Doe, second by Commissioner Hall ahead.
I a Okay, thank you.
Um, when do they, uh,
when does this company plan on sign the construction
of their new permanent building?
My understanding is he's looking into doing a new
building, and I think he's looking at two years of what
You building?
Two years.
He's not sure. He's been looking into that with the owner
and been exploring that,
but he's got some real health issues that are
delaying a lot of things.
He just recently had surgery.
He's on the heart transplant list.
He's got a lot of things going on.
Oh, understood. Well, hope his health is,
is is important too. You know, he's Yes.
Gotta take care of that first. Yes,
I yield.
Any other discussion, Mr. Chairman?
Mr. Gisa? A couple, a couple of questions.
Uh, first of all, the item D it says here,
it indicates the end date is December two.
They meant to put 22nd. It's a typo.
Oh, is that okay? It's a typo.
It should be December 22nd because
I'm looking at it going, that makes no sense.
And then the site will be cleaned up
right from top to bottom.
You know, he cleans up very well when you go by there
after he cleans up, there's, he sweeps the lot.
I have. He does the whole,
I have no, I think he's been an asset to the city.
Uh, I think I was on the commission when we approved it in
93 back in the last millennium.
But that's another story for another day.
And another carnation. Um, last question number two.
Is there still a bond outstanding on this?
Can anybody tell me,
because there's a bond for $500 to be posted,
but there's been things going on there for a while
and I imagine there's a bond on it.
If anything, I'd like, I'd like to add to the recommendation
that, uh, especially on number three,
that if there is any outstanding bond, that
that should be closed out to go
with the recommendations here.
That would make some sense. That's it. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman.
Thank you, commissioner Zay.
Uh, any other questions? Discussion?
Um, I have a quick question.
I was wondering what would the hours look like?
The hours, the longest that it would be would be 9:00 AM
to 10:00 PM and that's just sometimes at the height
of the firework sales.
Uh, uh, but normally you can pretty much,
sometimes it's even as low as like nine to seven.
It varies, but I wanna tell you the worst
would be nine to 10.
The good news is there are no residences
around there at all.
Um, uh, the residences are quite far away.
There's two subdivisions, obviously, um, to the west,
but they're quite a distance away.
Okay. Thank you.
Any other discussion
to the petitioner?
Good evening again. Yes,
it's been a pleasure having this gentleman on the corner.
I know a lot of people appreciated everything he does,
and I think it's gonna make it beneficial for him to
make it a permanent instead of temporary seasonal.
So they have to keep going back to the zoning every year.
Every year we have to come back. This
way he'll be able to do it.
And, uh, I think the hours are reasonable.
I think the, um, times of the different events
that he's having, he's hosting is reasonable.
So I'm looking forward to continuing and,
and benefiting the city of Warren.
Thank you. And with that, I'm gonna say
that was a motion by Commissioner dse, supported
by Commissioner Hollow Wadi roll call.
Commissioner dse. Yes.
To approve Commissioner Hollow Wadi? Yes.
To approve. Commissioner Anza. Yes.
Commissioner Chader? Yes. To approve. She more votes.
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Thank you. Have good
Evening. Thank you. Appreciate
it.
Thank you, sir. Take care of yourself. Item number six C,
Item number six C site plan for open storage
of various materials, shipping containers and dumpsters.
Located on the west side of Ryan Road,
approximately 177 feet north of Fer Avenue.
2 5 2 0 5 dash 2 5 4 1 1 dash
2 5 5 1 3.
Ryan Road, section 19.
Joseph Parks, uh, uh, the LAN company, Scott
Ber Berman.
And, but long PS P 2 4 0 0 2 3.
Thank you. Thank you, man. Second is the petitioner here.
Good evening, sir. Can you tell
us a little bit about your project?
Yep. Uh, my name's Scott Franklin.
I'm on behalf of the Passon Corporation.
Um, 2 5 2 0 5 2 5 4 1 1
and 2 5 5 1 3 Ryan Road.
So what we're asking for, uh,
the commission today is approval for an open storage permit.
Uh, the Passon Company, um, is, uh, industrial use, uh,
site M two zone.
There's three different, uh,
there's multiple buildings on these three different parcels.
And, uh, the, this site is utilized for, um,
a business that supports, um, build outs for, uh,
manufacturing, other manufacturing plants.
And, um, as part of that process, the PAing company, um,
they'll have like certain like robotics parts
and certain other pieces to these plants
that they're building out that they might temporarily store
outside at various different, uh, portions of the property.
And, um, we, we are here today to, um,
get approval from your honorable body to, um,
have open storage in two different areas
of the site. Location.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current fire.
The Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
If you have any questions,
please contact me at 5 8 6 7 5 6 2 8 0 0
with extension code 3 3 0 0 D-T-E-D-T-E has no objection
to this request impacting 2 5 2 0 5 um,
dash 2 5 4 1 1 dash 2 5 5 1 3 Ryan Road section 19
per the site plan provided, as long as all the easements
and right away stay in place.
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Thanks Madam. Secretary,
planning Department's recommendation
Oh, through, through the chair.
Uh, if I may, um, can I note on a couple of the issues
with respect to the planning department's recommendation,
uh, that we, we would like to discuss?
We can we listen to his recommendation
first and you can comment on it?
Certainly. Alright. Thank you sir.
Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, site plan for open storage
of various materials, shipping containers,
and dumpsters be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission.
And more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
One A, the property descriptions,
including the parcel numbers
and addresses must be updated to match city records.
Uh, there are three parcels involved in this project.
Uh, 13 dash 19 dash four 30 dash,
uh, oh oh nine.
And the, the address is 25 2 0 5 Ryan.
And then there's an, I'm gonna shortcut it, uh,
parcel number oh 13 with an address
of 25 14 Ryan
and a parcel oh 14
with an address 25 2 0 5 Ryan Road.
Uh, one B uh, provided.
Provide the, uh, zoning dimensions on the site plan
and include the information in the site data chart.
The zoning on the site is as follows,
M two Medium Light Industrial District.
And, uh, R one P one Family residential or
and parking district.
That's the north a hundred 0.5 feet of the property.
And West a hundred feet of the South.
308.95 feet of a parcel.
That's oh 14.
And the West 55 feet, the length
of 398.24 feet.
And that's parcel oh 13
one C per email correspondence from the
petitioner's representative.
Uh, the open storage items
that will be stored on the site include short term
storage parts, fabrications
and, uh, Conex shipping containers of various sizes up
to 20 feet in length and or width,
and up to nine feet tall.
Long-term storage of dumpsters for metal
and trash, as well as pallets, uh, stored, uh,
in a dedicated pallet bullpen.
Uh, the site plan shall be updated to include the details
of the storage items
and approximate locations
where they will be located in each storage area.
Uh, 1D removed the reference to handicap parking
and replaced with accessible parking.
One E four accessible parking space
spaces area,
or indicated on the site plan.
Uh, the site plan shall comply with a DA standards
for the minimum number of accessible parking spaces
for a site with 256 parking spaces.
A minimum of seven must be accessible
of the seven parking spaces.
Two must be van accessible size.
One f Uh, notations on the plan indicate some parking spaces
as unusable due to the configuration of the
proposed open storage area.
However, there are parking spaces in area two
that are not usable, that
must be removed from the number of spaces
being provided on the site.
A reduction of roughly 21 spaces.
Update the number of parking spaces
provided on the plan condition number G
or com, excuse me, condition one G.
Uh, the plan indicates a 22 foot wide driveway
as one way out.
However, the circulation will not support the one
way movement.
As shown the driveway shall be widened to 26 feet
as measured at the property line.
That's Ryan Road.
The maneuvering lane shall be a minimum 22 feet
adjacent to the parking spaces.
The parking spaces in the area in front
of 25 1 4 11 Ryan Road, uh, shall be
retried to indicate, uh, to rather allow
for perpendicular parking, uh, dimension,
nine feet by 20 feet
and accessible spaces adhering to a DA standards,
and allow for a maneuvering lane of 30 feet
in width at the west end of that parking area so
that vehicles could enter the north driveway
and exit, uh, toward the one way out
or go to, uh, the other parking area.
Condition number H
or rather, one H The existing 20 foot wide front setback
area along Ryan Road shall be extended
from its North point at the 21 foot wide driveway
to the north 26 foot wide driveway,
and to the north of, toward the,
and ending at the north property line.
On the site, add two new crab trees in the north
and front setback condition Number two, two copies
of revised survey plans shall be
provided indicating the following.
And that is, uh, a,
the scale shall be changed from one inch equal 30 feet
to one inch equal 60 feet on the plant.
Uh, to b, define the south property, uh,
bold line of the of the parcel.
13 dash 19 dash, I think it's, oh,
there's an extra number in there.
I think it's oh 40 or 4 78.
Take the zero out of there.
And, uh, oh, 48, excuse me, I can't, my number's right.
4 78 dash one four
from the west property line to the New East Property line.
That's Ryan Road, removed the property
along the parcels 13 dash 19 dash
4 78, uh, 0 0 8 through
0 1 2.
Remove the property description, four parcels 13 dash
19 dash 4 78 dash zero zero through through
0 1 2 from the survey plan.
Condition number three, the three parcels identified as,
um, I'm gonna shortcut again, oh
0 0 9, uh, 0 1 3
and 0 1 4 must be combined into one parent
parcel and application must be submitted
to the planning department requesting the approval
of the combination condition.
Number four, the petitioner indicated, uh, there is no cost
for the project improvements.
However, three new crab trees are proposed to be planted
between the sidewalk and the street curb in the lawn area,
and the removal of the sign located in the right
of way as part of the recommendation.
The 20 foot wide front setback area
along Ryan Road is to be extended.
And two new crab trees, uh, shall be planted
on the north end of the of the parcel.
And there is a note the planting staff recommends
a bond in the amount of $1,000 as a guarantee of, uh,
tree plantings and assigned removal.
So with that, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank
You. Thank you Mr. Murray,
the petition you wanna come up.
You had a couple comments you wanted to make
before we go into the public hearing.
Thank you. Through the chair.
Uh, first we'd like to thank, uh, the planning department
for preliminary review
and the work that they set the staff did, sitting down
and kind of going over this plan with us, uh, several times.
Second, um, I wanted to, uh, make note of some
of the recommendations.
So with respect to, um, one E, we actually have, uh,
six accessible parking spaces noted on the drawing.
Um, however, we understand that seven are required,
and I think based on the plans,
we plan on adding two additional parking spaces
for a total of eight.
So, uh, I wanted to mention that for one E, um, Lin, uh,
agrees, uh, and, and,
and will be in full compliance for one F.
Um, there are 21 spaces that are shown
on, uh, area one if, or area two, I'm sorry.
If you look at area two of the drawing, um, that's area one.
If you go down to area two, you can see those parking spaces
that are shown within area two, the drawing.
So those parking spaces
that are noted are not within the 256 total
parking spaces that are required.
Right? So they're, they're not included.
Um, to avoid any confusion,
we will remove those lines out of area two.
So we actually, we, I think the site requires, um,
155 parking spaces.
We have 256 parking spaces.
And that 256 does not include the spaces
as shown in area two.
So to avoid the confusion, we will remove, um,
those spaces, uh, as shown.
That was one F uh, for one G
if we could move back up to area one.
So on the far right side of area one,
there are two, uh, doorways.
They go into the building
and there's truck traffic that comes into the site
and then circles back around
and comes out during the one way.
So it was absolutely not our intent to have, um,
the open storage in the area of that turnaround.
If we couldn't utilize that area
for both the truck turnaround and for open storage.
If we have to pick one or the other, we're completely fine
with not using that pro, that area for open storage.
So what we would do is, um, the top line there
of the building, we would just draw that line out
to the right and the area of open storage
to the no, yep.
To the right. If you go to the right, yep.
Draw a line there and the open storage going downward.
Take that area off of the open storage.
It's more important to have the truck traffic that comes in,
turns around, drops off, what they're gonna drop off at the,
at the, at the garage doors, and then circle back around.
Therefore, um, the recommendation of planning
for one G would no longer be required.
We fully understand why that recommendations being made,
because if the sites, if that area is specifically used
for open storage only
and you wouldn't be able to drive around truck traffic,
you would have to have a two-way there.
Um, because, and the, uh,
and the parking spaces would have
to go straight in instead of being angled.
Um, but, um, like I said, it's more important for Passen
to utilize that area for the truck turnaround.
And therefore we would like to make, uh, a change, um, uh,
provided that, your honor, of the body approves to take
that space out of area one.
Um, and that's for one G.
Uh, for one H there are, um, one H is
regarding, uh, the green belts that are, that, um,
are shown on the drawing.
Um, we currently don't have those green belts.
Paon has, uh, been operating at a site for 87 years.
We, um, are considering those green belts, uh,
pre-existing non-conforming use.
Uh, and um, if we were gonna incorporate
that into a future project, we'd be happy to consider that.
But we just spent, um, a significant cost
repaving, um, the area to the south with all new concrete.
And had we known that it was, uh,
the planning department's request to put in, uh,
put in the, the, uh, green belt there,
we would've accommodated.
'cause we've already paved over that.
We'd have to rip up all that new concrete
that we just put in over the last couple months.
And, um, and, and to accommodate that.
So we'd ask, um, again, that it's that we,
we feel like it's grandfathered in, uh,
pre-existing non-conforming use,
not having the green belts there.
Um, if it was something
that the commission was gonna consider,
we certainly would ask for a variance of that.
Um, just due to the fact
that it's overly burdensome on the passing company.
That's one G We're asking for removal of that. I'm sorry.
One H. One h Um, moving on
for number three, to combine the tax parcels
of three tax parcels.
So, um, the tax parcel lines are all clear.
Um, the buildings do not cross the tax parcel lines.
Most importantly, for this particular petition, the areas
that we're looking for open storage,
then those legal descriptions also do not cross any
of the tax parcel lines due to the fact
that we have multiple buildings out on the site.
We have multiple utility, uh, bills that come in, um,
and keep these multiple addresses.
It would be a nightmare for us
to combine this particular site.
Um, plus just for purposes of, um, the open storage use, uh,
we don't think that, um, that it, it should be required.
So we'd ask that, uh, item three, with respect
to combining the tax parcels be removed.
And, um, last
but not least, uh, on item number four, um, the cost
of the improvements and the bond.
Um, so when we, when we first sat down
with the planning department, the first thing they said is,
Hey, there's a sign out there that shouldn't be out there.
And there are a couple crab trees that we'd love
to see if you plant, if you plant,
before we even submitted our open storage permit,
we went out there and had the sign pulled
and we went in there and had the new trees planted.
So I would ask that, uh, the bond requirement be removed
because the work's actually already done.
Um, and if, um,
If, if, If, um, item one G with respect
to the green belts is removed, then um, all the trees
that the planning department has asked to be planted
and the sign that they've asked us to remove
that work was done months ago.
That's, Unless there's anything to add, I I,
we appreciate the consideration tonight.
All right. Thank you, sir, for your comments. Uh,
We're here to answer any questions.
Alright. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Yes,
Sir. Uh,
In the view of transparency, I want to just state
for the record that I did work
with Plin Corporation about 40 years ago.
It doesn't, this was two owners ago and so on.
I don't think I have a, a conflict of interest
or anything else, but I wanted to put that on the record
that, uh, this situation exists.
If the rest of the board feels
that I should not vote on it, then so be it.
I have no problems with it,
but I haven't done anything with them.
We're in around 40 years. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, sir. Um,
before we take this to a public hearing, Mr Works,
would you like to comment and comment on a couple of the
things he mentioned?
The recommendations?
Uh, yes. So I'll go right to uh, g
that I still don't understand why, uh,
there can't be two way coming in
and, uh, 21 foot, uh, driveway is rather unusual.
Usually they're 26 feet in width as a requirement of, uh,
the, uh, engineering division.
Now, I don't know when the concrete went in.
I, I guess that it, it's worthwhile. Was there a permit?
Did you get a permit to do that?
You needed a permit to put in new concrete?
Uh, they should have gotten that.
I don't know why they didn't understand that.
That's just common knowledge, uh, when doing any kind
of work on in places like that.
Um, so, uh, still like to see
that front setback,
but that's a planning director's point of view,
condition number three that, uh, they don't want to combine,
but it's gonna create, uh, another requirement.
They're gonna have to provide us with ingress
and egress documents
between each property on their own property.
And that's what will have to happen.
But, uh, I don't know
that it would be a nightmare to combine those.
You have common, uh, bills
and everything else that's typical of what people do.
But if it's that kind of a problem, then we'll have,
we'll write in here that you need that,
those ingress egress documents
between each of the properties.
Understand. Alright.
Uh, As
far as, uh, the other comments, uh, I'm happy to have
more accessible parking and, um, yeah,
and also I gotta go back to g that site plan.
It, it, uh, it, I couldn't understand it.
That's one of the reasons G ended up being written that way.
I didn't know the trucks were going to
go in toward the building.
There's no arrows.
Please put arrows on that, on that plan, that show that
whether two way or one way, whatever.
But I, you can't see it.
You can't understand it from back there. Lemme see.
Alright, those are my comments.
Thank you Mr. We, this is a pub, this is a public hearing.
If anybody would like to speak on this
item, please come forth.
State your name, address for the record,
and you have three minutes to speak.
Great. Thank you. My name's Greg Ferguson.
I'm at, uh, actually I'm representing my mother at 2 5 5 1 2
Wexford, which is directly on your plan.
I think the, what is that site one,
the one up the north side, the upper part.
That's your area. One up on area one.
So it's my family home up there.
My main question is the height of the storage.
So there's a, currently a brick wall.
I think it's about 10 foot wall that runs it.
Is your, any storage planned higher than that 10 foot wall.
Okay. So everything you would do would be below? Yeah.
So from the, I'm thinking of her, from her house.
You look out, you don't want to see a bunch
of storage sitting, you know, 20 feet up.
That's my only question. So
Thank you sir.
Thank you. Anyone like to come up and speak on this item?
If not, we'll close the public hearing
and turn over to commission.
Mr. Chair.
Uh, can I call Peter
Chair? I need a motion.
I
Motion to, I can't.
I make a motion for approval
with discussion on only Commissioner Awadi,
Are you on?
Are you supporting it? Okay. I need a second
Support. Commissioner
Chare.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow.
Support Commissioner. Chare. Discussion
Commissioner,
I see you mentioned that few
of them recommendation you are not agreeing.
So I see in number three,
you requested, um, you want to remove number three
and also one H you wanted
to remove from the recommendation.
Mm-Hmm. So you don't,
you don't basically agree with the recommendation.
You have some suggestion to remove few of the, uh,
recommendation, right?
Yes, sir. Through the chair. Uh, one
G, We would like to modify that by
making area one smaller,
therefore we can have a truck turnaround.
One H mm-Hmm.
Uh, deleting one H except for the crab trees
that we've already, we've already installed in the sign
that we've already removed.
Um, item number three.
Um, not, um, being required to, uh,
combine the tax parcels
and for the planning department's request.
Uh, we absolutely understand his request
and we would be prepared to record easements.
Um, that would show ingress, ress
between the three properties in case one
of the properties sold and ingress res was still there.
Uh, and, um, to 0.4, remove the bond request
because we've, we've already planted the trees and the sign.
Thank you. Any other discussion,
Mr. Chairman?
If I may, um, the idea
of g uh,
so you'd cut it off at the north side of the, uh,
Northeast tool and dye building.
Just go all the way east and, uh, yes.
Right there and, and leave the rest of it.
'cause the way I was looking at it, you, you have no way
of loading or unloading or anything else on the outside.
Um, and I prefer to have the loading unloading on that side
because it's not facing any neighbors.
Um, yeah, on the, on the left side of
that where the truck is.
Right. Uh, I prefer you
put the truck inside or something.
They'll leave it out there all the time.
Um, so that makes sense on G
because you didn't have enough turnaround, uh,
without going inside.
Uh, The last thing is
you have the hovis, the,
you had the Northeast tool and die building.
That was the original,
then the cast concrete one that was next to it.
And then the hovis screw lock building next to that.
And all three of those have become passed.
Um, I don't see
where there's a problem on combining the three
of 'em since you've been operating as a combination,
uh, for a while.
Um, the only reason I'd say you could leave it split if you
wanna split off, uh,
probably the Hovis building on the south end of it.
Uh, the other two are on the verge
of being joined at the hip, if you will.
Um, I do, I I'd like you
to go over that with our planning department, uh,
on the reasons why you really, uh, have a problem
with combining all three, um, parcels.
But, uh, I agree
with the one G on going straight out with that.
And, and, and, and that's it.
Um, you have, uh, storage
and you have a way of turning trucks around.
'cause otherwise you're stuck.
You can't take anything out of there, uh, with any,
uh, safely.
Let's put it. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Thank you, sir. Any other
discussion to the petitioner?
Oh, excuse me, Ron.
It's because you don't want to combine them.
You've got the two buildings, the bigger buildings,
the northern ones connected.
Alright, so you've, now you're,
you have setbacks, 20 foot setbacks on each
side of the buildings and then the line goes
through the connection.
You'll have to get a variance for that.
That's what, even though you, I don't know that you've had,
unless you had a variance in the past,
we're gonna look into that.
But we think you'll need a variance to have that.
And, uh, I'm going to graphically,
it looks like you have 20 foot setbacks,
but it's the connection that's the concern here.
And we'll leave it that way. Alright,
Thank you sir.
To the petitioner, can you come up please?
Good evening. Again, I was at the site today
and I looked around and I looked at the two areas
where you want have storage, outside storage,
but I looked at the whole area
and you've got outside storage all the way
around the building along that concrete wall.
On the outside, you've got steel stored over there
at the end of the area.
The one area you've got roll, two roll offs,
dumpsters in the back, you got pallets over there.
Uh, next to the one building you got the, uh,
container storing, uh, the tanks for the high lifts,
the gas tanks for the high, high, high for the lifts.
And uh, around on the other side you've got pallets.
So you've got storage outside
all the way around that building.
And my concern is with everything I saw around there,
are you gonna be able to put all that storage
in those too little areas?
Because there's quite a bit that's stored all the way around
and they can't have, if you, if you're requesting this much
for open storage, you're not gonna be able
to have all the other stuff around in that area.
It shouldn't be an issue. Pardon me? It shouldn't
Be an issue. Okay.
Come to the mic and talk thing. I'm sorry.
No, it, it shouldn't be an issue.
So everything that I saw that was all around mm-Hmm.
The perimeter along the outside wall,
that would be in those areas.
That, that is all what you've seen today was all project
stuff and that stuff moves on a weekly basis.
Um, we just had a big project that was canceled by Ford,
so we weren't kind of in a holding pattern over here for,
for the next month or so, but it will go away.
All right. Thank you sir.
Uhhuh, uh, 'cause you know where the dumpster's gotta go.
'cause you wanted some dumpsters, some metal and trash
and you wanted some other kind of containers
or some other materials that you're gonna have there also.
So we need to know what areas these particular containers
are gonna be in also.
Yeah, they will be, they'll be in the open storage area.
Okay. You'll, and you'll let us know Yes.
What's going in which storage area?
Yes. Okay. We have trash dumpsters
and we have, uh, dedicated steel dumpsters also.
Okay. The other issue I have is, you know,
Ryan Rose has been tore up a while.
Yes. And they finally came down the side where you're at.
Yes. And they all paid really nice.
They went in, they put the new driveways in.
Yeah, well I went out and measured the driveways.
Well, the one that you say is 21 feet
between the two Bowers is only 18 feet.
19 feet. And the one that's supposed
to be 26 feet is only 24 feet.
Okay. So I measured it
out on the other side of the sidewalk.
It was still 19 feet on the outside one.
So you're gonna, and that was supposed, Ron wanted that
as a two-way, which would make it 26 feet.
So you'd have to open that up all the way
to the street Okay.
To make that wider. So
that looked like it might have been an issue for me
because they just put that new concrete down there and, uh,
Yeah, the construction company actually just
poured those brand new aprons out
From Exactly, yes, exactly.
I saw that. Yes.
And now we're talking about maybe changing it.
So that's one
of the concerns I had when I went out and looked at it today.
Okay. Um, let's see.
Like I said, the cabinets that have the, the tanks
for the OSes high lows need to be noted where they're at.
'cause it's, it's, it's flammable gas, correct? Yes.
So therefore it needs to probably be in an area
where you allow the flammable gas storage.
Correct. Yes. Okay. Um,
other than that, that was really the only question I had.
And like I said, by cutting off that one area
and just extend it out.
Yeah. I really don't know how much you're gonna get in
that little space going out that far. Yeah,
That's, um, our biggest concern is obviously
that is our main shipping and receiving doors, um,
where we're giving back the piece, uh, for outdoor storage.
And it is essential to our business that we have
truck traffic going in and of it with proper turnarounds.
Okay. Because there were pallets all
over in different areas.
And it seems like there should be an area
where you store all your pallets and they're not Yes.
Spread out all over the area there.
Yes. There, there is a storage, there's storage
for pallets on the, on the south side parcel,
we actually have a bullpen built
and if there was stuff
that was being stored on the north side,
we'll get it moved over to the, the proper location.
Alright. All right, sir.
I guess that's all the questions I had. Um, for you Mr.
Work, can you come up a minute please?
Yes. Good Evening. So being, they're gonna delete
that one part of the storage in front of the doors there.
And are you still going not require the two, the, the uh,
the 26 wide where the 21 wide is at for two two-way traffic?
Is that gonna be deleted now?
Because right now it's just one way traffic coming out Is
what they had planned doing, is that gonna change the,
the parking as far as perpendicular or horse or stripe?
Like they have that angle if they eliminate that section.
And if, and like I say, like I said, the driveway
at the gate there is only like 19 feet.
And on the other one it's only 24 feet.
So, uh, I don't know how that's gonna,
and like I said, they just put all
that new concrete in over there, so I don't know how
that's gonna affect what's going on with
what you were concerned about as far as the traffic there.
Well,
They can gain more parking if they went perpendicular, uh,
as opposed to angle.
No doubt about that. But that seems to be the system
that they've, they're working with.
They're gonna fix it by, uh, doing
what they said they were going to do.
I, I'm still a believer in the width
of the driveway being 26, not 21.
And you went out and measured 24. That's
Probably code 24 and one, probably
only 19 on the other side. Oh.
Oh. It might have been 26 at the street.
'cause it widens quite a bit out at the street. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. We measure right at the property line right
There. So yeah, I didn't,
I didn't get that.
Um, my tape measure didn't agree with it either.
'cause it wouldn't re retract once I pulled out out.
Well, it, it, they went up.
I'm just trying to figure out what they're gonna have
to do for the requirements.
You're asking for being all that new concrete's been done.
Are they got to rip it up, they gonna have to redo it
or, I'm just trying to figure out what's gonna have
to be done so they know what has to be done.
Well, they, they want each deleted
and they said they put in new concrete.
I don't know.
It's too bad that happened
and it would've been better had we known through a permit,
uh, when they made that replacement.
But they didn't get one, so we didn't get a notice
when we did our research.
They might have said something about it at the time
that a permit came in, but that didn't happen.
So I guess we'll wait
unless, uh, the petitioner gets generous sometimes in the
future and puts in the rest
of the 20 foot wide front setback.
Okay. All right. I did see the two, uh, trees, new trees
that they planted, so I did see that.
Yeah. Um, other than that, I guess
that's all the questions I have.
Okay. Anyone else have any questions? Seeing none.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow, supported
by Commissioner Childry, bro.
Hall
Can we are, are, yeah.
Are we, uh, eliminating G or h
or three or
The bond Bond also the thousand dollars
And the bonds? Yeah,
We didn't, we didn't adjust the bond.
Um, being the improvements that they have,
I would probably maybe just suggest keeping the bond
where it's at and see where it's at.
'cause I mean, it's not a big, big bond, you know, uh,
as far as the g where they're eliminating
the one piece and the, the stripes
and everything, um, I think
that's going in, in the driveways.
I think that's something they're
gonna have to work out with Mr.
Worth. Get, get a, uh, better picture
of what they're gonna have to do on
That. And we're gonna leave all
three.
Uh, or are we combining 'em or leaving all three separate?
Well, In the motion I,
Yeah, I, I know what you're Saying.
I wanna make sure that we, we've got this nailed down.
I know what you're saying. Um, being,
being it's on one property.
Usually we combine it as one.
Uh, but they were saying
because of tax purposes, they need to keep them separate.
So in that way, Mr. We said they'd have to get ingress
Yeah.
Egress, uh, letters between the properties.
Now whether it's worth it to do that
or not, that's, it's a different scenario.
Well, it might be easier just combine.
Are we gonna add that? Are
we gonna add that to the motion?
That's all I want to know.
We can add that to the motion. Yes.
I, I'd appreciate it. Uh, Mr. Chair,
You got, you gotta speak up Mr.
Anza. Yeah. I think, you know, my suggestion will be
postpone this and let them department
and petition on their work together.
Then come to the next meeting so we can That's what I,
I'm, I'm proposing,
I also agree.
I know the motion was made by Mr. Haldi and, uh, Mr.
Chari, but I feel like that might be a better option. Yeah.
Postpone takes the table. Yeah. Okay, then now what?
Then I resend my initial motion
and if it's agreeable to the commission
and to the petitioner to, uh, table it for two weeks
Or postpone it.
Postpone it, and, uh,
that they build a motion for two weeks.
I apologize.
Well, it'd be postponed until the next meeting. Yes.
Yes. It should be on the 18th of November.
That gives you a chance to get Mr.
Wirth and see what you can work out on the driveways.
And as far as the egress
and ingress, as far as the properties go, as far buying it,
you get a better idea of what's the best way to go on that.
Okay. So that was a motion by Mr. Holloway. He changed it
Support to Postpone and supported by
Postponed.
Ms. Commissioner, I support
Commissioner Child is the one that next
Oh yeah. Huh?
The next meeting is
Until two weeks, not two weeks after.
It's Don't we have one meeting in November?
We have one meeting in November.
Yes. So the next meeting,
the next meeting. Next meeting that two weeks.
Next. The next meeting. Okay.
Yeah, I just Went to
you postponed this to the next meeting.
Okay. Okay. That was a support by Commissioner Childre.
Do you agree with the Yes. mm-Hmm. Postponement? Yep.
Okay. Roll call.
Commissioner Hollow. Yes. Commissioner
Childre? Yes. Commissioner
sir? Yes. Commissioner ey? Yes.
Moori votes Yes. To postpone to next
to the next meeting. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To postpone to the next meeting.
What's the date on that? I don't
have the date in front of me on that.
November 18th. Okay, so it's November 18th. Okay, sir.
It gives you a minute to go over some things.
Think about what we talked about.
'cause I I hate to see tariff, all that concrete,
but you know, there's gotta be
something that needs to be worked out.
So if you can get with Mr. Wirth
and figure out what the best way to do it.
You got a couple, couple weeks
to see what you can do with it.
All right. Thank you. Have a good evening.
I am number six
DI am number 60.
Site plan for new parking lot
and open storage for repair vehicles.
Located on the south side of nine Mile Road,
approximately 435 feet west of Hoover Road.
1 1 5, 1 0 and 1 1 5.
1 4 9 mile road section 34.
David Daud, uh, slash Coyote auto repair, auto repairs
and collision PSP 2 4 0 0 21. Thank you.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening. Can you tell
us a little bit about your project? Good
Evening. Claudia
Taik on behalf of Coyote Auto Repair and Collision.
And essentially this is a request to convert a, um,
grassy land area into a concrete cement parking lot.
It is, um, already contained within the, the property
and they're simply asking to, um,
develop the land into a more, um,
more appropriate sort of, um, kind of,
um, like standing for the parking
as well as for the storage.
At any given time, there's usually about six vehicles
between four storage vehicles
and two customer vehicles that come in and park
and then, um, leave by the end of the day.
And they're not asking to expand.
They're, um, they're just merely looking
to develop the land.
Thank you. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current fire.
The Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
If you have any questions,
please contact 5 8 6 7 5 6 2 8 0 0 extension code
3 3 0 0 Comcast.
In response to your utility request for the above project,
please refer to the task map for the location of Comcast
CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Cokes.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Cokes.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com. Thank you.
Thank you ma'am. Secretary Planning
Department's recommendation.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows.
It is, uh, recommended that the site plan
for new parking lot
and open storage to be postponed, uh,
to the November 18th meeting for the following reasons.
Number one, the property in question is too small to allow
for the amount of vehicles that are stored
and parked on the site.
Number two, although the auto repair use was approved
to operate at this facility by means
of a 1993 zoning Board of Appeals variance,
the size of the parking lot was not considered at the time.
Number three, the planning staff recommends the property
owner meet with the adjacent property owner to the east,
where a vacant lot exists for the purposes
of obtaining additional land in order to have the area
required to store and park vehicles.
Number four, when the planning staff conducted a field check
of the site, uh, there were more vehicles
parking on the site that are being requested.
Uh, number five. Additionally, there was a vehicle parked,
uh, in the driveway approach, which
is extremely dangerous,
but don't put that in the recommendation.
Uh, and number six, uh, the public alley if
maintained and used may improve access
and parking on the site.
If, however, the Planning Commission decides
to approve the site plan, the following standards
of the planning commission
and more specifically shall apply.
Number one, five copies of revised site plans
must be submitted indicating the following.
Uh, one A, the bearings and distances shall be
provided on the site plan.
Uh, one B, all existing and proposed utilities shall be
provided on the site plan one C.
The site plan shall be reoriented with
nine mile road on the north side.
The property, uh, in question is located
on the south side of, uh, nine mile road.
One DA note shall be
provided stating, uh, all outdoor retail sales
of the items shall be prohibited on the site.
Uh, one e uh, the site shall comply with a DA standards
for the size of one van except accessible
space one f update
of the zoning information on the site plan.
The property is zoned M1 light industrial District
one GA note shall be, uh,
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroach upon abutting properties.
The light poles shall be no higher than 20 feet.
All glare shall be eliminated from all light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting, uh, shall not be permitted.
One H per section four D
four five front yard landscape burmis required that complies
with section four D 1 15 4.
Automotive repair facilities per section
four D 0.46.
The planning commission may modify the specific requirements
for landscape screens
or natural buffers upon a finding that one
or more of the following conditions exist.
Number one, topographic features
or other unique features of the site.
Create conditions such as strict application
of the requirements would result in a less effective screen
than an alternative alternative design.
Number two, parking of vehicle circulation
or land use are such that strict application
of the requirements would not enhance the site
or result in the desired screening effect.
Number three, uh, the public benefit intended
by the landscape, screen,
or buffer requirements could be better achieved within
alternate, uh, design.
One i, the, the property has very limited space,
therefore, the planting staff recommends planting two globe
ae in the lawn between the sidewalk
and the street curb along nine mile road.
Planting staff also recommends flowers such as hydrangeas,
the marigolds in the plant bed adjacent to the front.
That's nine mile road elevation, uh, in
between the two existing shrubs.
And okay, this is one J.
No green belt or wall will be required.
However, with the storage vehicles proposed to be parking up
to the south property line abutting the public alley
screening in the form of plastic slats shall be
provided on the existing fence.
Uh, one KA trash enclosure must be
provided on the site with the following note stating
a trash enclosure.
Measuring a minimum 10 foot by 10 foot shall be constructed
of six foot high brick embossed board concrete walls
with 45 degree angle cap have screen gates
and be placed upon a minimum 10 foot by 18 foot
concrete pad that provides an eight foot wide apron
masonry block shall not be used as a construction material,
uh, condition number two, the two parcels identified as
13 dash 34 dash
2 26 9
or uh, excuse me, three, uh, where the nine came from.
0 1 3
and, uh, 0 1 4 must be combined into one
parcel apparent parcel, uh,
and application must be submitted
to the planning department requesting the approval
of the combination condition.
Number three, the following variances may be needed
to ab need.
The atten may need to be obtained from the board
of appeals prior to the release of the site plan
to the building division.
And they are a, uh, to construct a parking lot to the front
nine mile property line,
an eight foot front setback is required.
Three B to allow four
storage vehicles stacked
each measuring eight foot by 18 feet
and containing 144 square feet.
And, uh, three C3 C to allow, uh,
for a 10 foot wide maneuvering lane
between the parking spaces and the building condition.
Number four, per the field visit of the site,
the planning staff observed vehicles parked
in the driveway approach.
There does not appear to be adequate maneuvering space
on the property for the, uh, quantity of vehicles
stored and parked on the site.
Addition number five, there is a vacant lot to the east
of the property in question planning.
Staff recommends the property owner meet
with the adjacent property owner for purposes
of obtaining additional land in order
to have the lot area required to store
and park vehicles condition Number six,
A performance bond in the amount of $300 be posted according
to the estimated cost of $10,000 by the petitioner.
Uh, note, the planning staff believes
that the proposed bond amount is too low given the fact
that landscaping and screening slats are
also part of the improvements.
Uh, planning, uh, staff recommends a bond the amount
of $1,000.
So with that, uh, Mr. Chair's recommendation is submitted.
Thank you, Mr. Worth. Um, this is, uh, usually,
well, this is a public hearing,
but, uh, I know there is anyone here
that wanted to speak on this item.
'cause the recommendation from the planning department is
to postpone it so that the owner will have a chance to meet
with the planning department and go over some of the reasons
that he needed that needed to be address addressed.
So if there's none, nobody here wanted to speak on that,
we're gonna need a motion to
Recommendations come on.
I would just respectfully, um, ask, uh, as far
as the recommendation, number one, what would the amount,
um, what is the amount allowed for the amount of vehicles
that are stored and parked on the site?
Because as indicated, it's six vehicles at any given time,
and it seems to be a bit vague as far as, um,
what the recommendation would be.
It simply indicates that it's too small to amount to allow
for the amount of vehicles, but it doesn't state
any specific number.
Um, as far as number three, it,
the planning staff recommending the property owner meet
with the adjacent property owner, I would just note
for the record that he did.
And at this time, it's not feasible.
The, um, adjacent property owner is asking for an amount
that is, um, deemed to be inappropriate by my,
uh, client, by the applicant,
and not affordable at this time.
As far as number four, um,
when the planning staff conducted a field check,
there were more vehicles parked on the site
than being requested.
It doesn't indicate how many vehicles were
present on the site.
Um, again, it's, it's, um,
it's re reassured to the, the county
to, I mean, to the city, to the council
that it's six vehicles at any given time,
between four vehicles that are stored
and two vehicles that are, um, in
and out of the property by the end of the day.
Additionally, as far as number five, the vehicle
that was parked in the driveway approach, um, I did speak
to the applicant and he indicated this was the employee's
vehicle that was subsequently removed.
It's not like it's properly stored there
or, um, regularly stored there.
It was just in the moment that happened to be,
and as I understand it, there were construction vehicles
that were present on the property possibly at the time
of the inspection or when, um,
the planning staff did go out to the property.
So they're not regularly, um, positioned there.
It was just given at the time
and it was a temporary, um, measure at that time.
Additionally, I would state that the,
um, for
If The planning commission did decide to approve the,
um, conditions that are requested
by the planning commission number, um, I
where it states the property has very limited space,
but the planting staff is recommending planting
of two, um, trees.
It's not exactly clear why these would need to be planted,
given the limited space and where they would be planted.
Um, it's unclear whether
where they would be planted is actually property
that's owned by the applicant
or something that's owned by the city.
Um, but as far as what is being recommended
or requested regarding the site plans, there are no issues
to modify them as needed to reflect
what is requested by the city.
I would just ask that the city, um, work with the applicant
as best as the applicant is working with the city
to get this completed. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
Uh, I would like to make a comment.
I was by there today and I parked in the driveway
and I walked down the side of the building
where the cars are parked and to the alley in the back,
and I had barely could squeeze
between the two at the back fence,
just even walk to the back fence.
Um, there's, there's a lot of issues as far as the parking
of the vehicles there.
Like I said, I had parking in the driveway
'cause I didn't wanna pull up in there,
but there were four cars up there,
and then three of 'em were on the one side.
So even if he had to get 'em out, it would be hard to do.
Um, when I was talking with the planning director
that he mentioned, you might want to go to the ZBA first
and see what ZBA says as far as, um,
what they might require for you to be, for you
to be able to do what you want to do.
Uh, so that were, that was one
of the things I was thinking about you might wanna do, and
therefore I think postponing it
to the next meeting would give you time to get with ZBA
to find out if it's something other being you said that the
owner to the east
of you is not interested in selling you the poverty
because it's an astronomical cost, then see
what they would say you could possibly do
to remedy their situation.
Okay? So
therefore, I'd like to get a motion.
Mr. Chairman, uh, for the sake of argument, I'd like
to make a motion that we approve the recommendation
to postpone this till our next meeting.
I'd like to have a couple of comments on it.
Uh, if this is supported,
There was a motion to postpone to the next next meeting
of November 18th from Commissioner Dee
Support, Support Commissioner
Anza. Any other discussion?
Well, thank you, commissioner. Uh, couple of things.
First of all, uh, I can appreciate your position especially
with, uh, uh, guy East, the landowner east of you, uh,
thinking that he's got, um, some kind of gold mine there.
Uh, welcome to the new millennium.
I guess I, the problem that I see is
I, and I understand that the, the, the cars next
to the building won't be there going forward,
although they're shown in the pictures here, even
with the cars on the side next to the fence,
you couldn't get a fire truck in there if your life depended
on it with all those cars on the side.
And it's just, it, it, look, it's a,
it looks like a dangerous situation from nine Mile Road.
That's one. Two,
has anybody looked at vacating the alley?
Um, that might be something
that would help, uh, the situation.
I don't know if the alley's in use there or what,
but if you vacated the alley, that might give 'em some,
a little more room on the backside of
It.
So that's something that I think you could talk to, uh,
uh, the planning director about in the planning department
to see if we can possibly do something else there
and get you a little more room
because that you're, you're, you're pouring a whole bunch
of stuff into a very small can.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you, commissioner Zay. Anybody else?
There was a motion by Commissioner Dee, supported
by Commissioner Anari to postpone
to November 18th. Roll call.
Commissioner Dza. Yes. Commissioner Anza? Yes.
Commissioner Ari?
Yes. Commissioner Chare? Yes.
Votes yes to postpone Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To Postpone on November 18th. Thank you, ma'am.
See what you can work out with him. Okay.
I know you're in a tight spot,
but there's a will, there's a way.
Item number six E.
Item number six, E site plan
for new cellular antenna tower facility located on the west
side of over road, approximately 561 feet south
of 11 Mile Road.
Uh, section 22 2 6 6 5 1 Hoover Road.
Howard Berg slash Howard.
Um, Hoover 11 holdings.
Lll C Brian Mongan
at T Mobility PSP 2 4 0 0 2 4. Thank you.
Good evening, sir. Good evening.
Can you tell us a little bit about your project? Yeah,
Uh, first, uh, my name's Brian Monahan.
I represent at and t Mobility.
I'd like to first thank, uh, Mr.
Wirth and his staff in the planning department.
Uh, they were very helpful, very responsive,
and, uh, moving this private, this, uh, proposal forward.
The second thing I'd like to, to point out, um,
I had these blowups made of exhibit one
of our support letter.
Can you speak closer to the mic?
So we'll be able to hear you clearly. Thank you. I don't
Normally get, uh, told that I'm,
I'm not loud enough, so I apologize.
Um, I didn't say you weren't loud
enough. You wanted to get a little closer.
Fair enough. Uh, I had these blow ups made,
so I feel compelled to use them.
They're identical to what appears at, uh, exhibit one
of the, uh, support letter that we
provided, which I, I hope everyone received a copy.
Um, what this shows is the existing coverage in basically
the center of Warren, a little bit to the right
of center line.
Um, these are existing at and t cell sites in green.
Everything on here that is green
and blue is good coverage, uh, coverage for cell phones,
coverage for data streaming, which is exponentially, uh, uh,
the bigger part of what cell, uh,
wireless technology is all about.
Now, people streaming movies, data, all kinds of things.
Um, this yellow
and red you see in the middle is the gap in our coverage.
It's about a mile by a mile. It's pretty big.
Um, that's what this tower is proposed to remedy.
This is the exact same map.
Once the tower is turned on, uh, uh,
the information as to
what the coverage would be was fed into the program
and it shows that this would be almost a complete cover
of this gap area.
So that's why, that's why we're even
bothering with this tower.
Um, as you know, the tower is a proposed use, I mean a, uh,
permitted use under the new amended wireless zoning
ordinance, uh, in Warren.
Um, I have reviewed the recommendations from the planning
department at t Mobility has absolutely no problems with
anything that has been recommended
by the planning department.
And we would, uh, urge the, uh,
planning commission to adopt.
Uh, the recommendation in total.
I would like to point out very quickly,
however, based on a couple of, uh, what I consider the more,
uh, more serious, uh, recommendations, the, uh,
setback to the R one c uh,
district, uh, that is immediately to the west of the, uh,
parcel that this tower will be constructed on, uh,
is actually 236 feet.
Uh, they were concerned that they needed a 20 foot setback
or 200 foot setback
to residential under the amended ordinance.
We actually have 236.
Uh, the proposal that is on the current site plan is
for 150 foot tower with a five foot, uh,
uh, lightning rod.
Um, that would obviously make it higher than 150.
So we've agreed to reduce the tower to 148 feet
with just a two foot, uh, lightning rod so
that we will be right at the 150, which is permitted.
Um, uh, it's a,
a pretty important project we've been working on, uh,
looking for a site in the area for quite some time
to remedy that gap.
Uh, we'd ask that the, uh, that the planning commission, uh,
approve as recommended by the planning department.
If there's any questions, I'd be happy to address those.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current fire,
the Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
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I also have two letters that were sent, uh, to us from,
I believe, um, from the public.
So I'll also read this in the correspondence. Um, thank you.
Um, so this letter is from Ms. Julie Benefield.
Um, hello. I live in the neighborhood
behind the shopping center at 11 Mile and Hover.
I was sent a letter to attend a public hearing
regarding a cell phone tower at
two six six five one Hover Road.
I am unable to attend the meeting in person,
so please accept this email as my response.
I opposed to this plan.
There are already huge eyesore all along the freeway like
towers and billboards.
We don't need another ugly structure reaching to the sky.
Not to mention there are numerous possible health effects
from cell phone towers, from headaches
and sleep issues to cancer and neurological issue.
No, thank you. Thank you. And I also have another one.
This was sent from Shannon mlo,
2 6 4 3, a foul mouth drive.
Um, to whom it may concern, I don't know
that I can attend the meeting on Monday, the 21st.
So I want to go on record now that I am vehemently opposed
to and very upset about the prospect of the placement
of a cell phone tower at the
location pacified in your letter.
Water detriment it would pose to the houses right by it.
And what a negative, what a negative it would be
for our future home sales.
This is a terrible idea for our neighborhood who wants
to look, look at that from their backyard.
We even have rosaries planted to block the backside
of the shopping center from view.
Also, I am not convinced
that they pose no health concerns to those nearby.
Thank you.
Thank you Madam Chair. Uh,
planning department's recommendation.
Okay, Thank you, Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows, it is recommended
that the site plan for new cellular antenna tower facility
be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, five copies of, uh,
revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
A, provide a site data chart on the plan per the
site plan application, including information such as, uh,
zoning, number of parking spaces, uh, existing
and to be removed.
Uh, one B the overall site plan sheet C one
indicates the lease area as 40 foot
by 60 foot feet.
Um, however, uh, the compound detail sheets C two
C dash two and C dash 2.1 indicate the lease area
as 65 feet by 43 feet.
Uh, the lease area descriptions
and the information on the plans shall be the same.
Uh, update the plans with the correct lease area,
square footage one C.
Provide the zoning of the adjacent parcels
on the overall site plan sheet one.
Uh, there is, uh, R one C zoned property located
to the west of the property in question for section 4.61.
Subsection one.
Setback towers shall be setback 200 feet,
uh, if any R one a
R one B, R one CR two R three,
or R three a or adjacent to a private
or public daycare or educational institution.
Excluding trade schools or colleges.
The distance shall be measured from the base of the tower
or supporting structure.
Provide the dimension from the R one C zone property
to the proposed cell tower.
And the petitioner has now indicated he is, uh,
the tower's 236 feet from the setback from the
residential R one C zone property.
1D Uh, the maneuvering lanes, uh, adjacent
to parking spaces shall be
measured 22 feet in width.
Uh, the access easement may need to be widened, uh,
to accommodate the parking adjacent, uh,
to the maneuvering lane.
One E according
to section 4.61 subsection two.
The maximum height of any tower,
including lightning rod antenna
or other accessory equipment is 150 feet.
The elevation plan sheet C dash three
indicates the tower as 155 feet,
including the lightning rod.
Either the cell tower will need to be reduced down
to 150 feet,
or a variance from the zoning board
of appeals will be, uh, required.
Well, the petitioner already has indicated that he's going
to make the tower at 148 feet
with a two foot lightning rod making one 50,
and that's acceptable
and meets the ordinance One F uh,
indicate the height of the proposed chain link fence on the
site plan condition two.
Uh, the petitioner must provide a recorded document for the
access easement from
proposed new UL Cellular Tower facility
and lease area to Hoover Road.
This document must be approved in draft format performed
by the city attorney prior
to it being recorded at the Macomb County Register of Deeds.
A copy of the document shall be
provided to the planning department.
And because the petitioner has indicated
how he's gonna modify the tower,
we do not need condition number three,
which had to do with the variance.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Worth. This is a public hearing.
If anybody would like to speak on this
item, please come forth.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none will turn over to commission
Motion to approve Support. Re
There's a motion by commissioner,
an star Support Commissioner dse, any discussion
to the petitioner?
Can you come up under please?
Yes, sir. Good evening, sir. Uh, I had a couple issues.
Uh, we got a letter from, um,
from at t Mobility
to the Planning Commission on requirements of
what you qualify, what you're requiring.
And one of the things that I noticed then that it said is
it said that the, on page two of the paper,
it says the proposed site, which will consist
of 150 foot monopole antenna tower accompanying
accompanying equipment shelter within a 46
by 60 foot leased area.
Well, on the drawing it shows 46 by 60.
Yeah. For at least there.
I understand there's a discre discre
By 40 by 60. Yeah.
All I can tell you is they're typically 40 by 60.
Um, I think a new vendor was involved in the, in helping
with this, uh, with the site plan.
Uh, as you know, they're pretty detailed,
but, uh, long story short,
I'm almost positive it's 40 by 60.
If it's anything else, we'll make sure that the site plan,
uh, is very specific about that.
Okay. And the second question is, it said the fence was,
it was surrounded by a 40 by 60 foot fence.
Uh, it's a six foot high chain length fence. That's
Correct. 40 by 60 foot.
Correct. On my detailed drawing,
it shows 40 by 59 feet. Yeah.
Uh, once again, uh, heads will roll all I can tell you,
we'll, we'll take care of this problem.
I know it's a minor issue, but No,
No, it's, I'm looking at the site plan.
It's one thing, one thing, one thing in the another.
So I just wanna make sure whatever's supposed
to be gets straightened out
A Absolutely. We
will take care of that with Mr. Wir, uh, Mr.
Wirth and his staff. Alright,
Mr. Chairman?
Yes. Uh, question,
who's gonna measure this when it's done?
Measure the height. Yeah, we do. I
I, I, I'd love to see Ron crawl up there.
Yeah. Fair enough. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Alright. Any other discussion?
That was a motion by Commissioner Ansar, supported by Mr.
dse. Roll call.
Commissioner Ansar. Yes. Commissioner? Yes.
Commissioner Hollow? Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Commissioner Mor Es. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. I'm number.
Thank you, sir. Have a good evening.
Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm number seven.
Correspondence. Seeing none. I'm number eight O business
Item number eight, minor amendment to site plan
for changes to south building
and split into two buildings located on the northeast corner
of Mount Road and nine Mile Road.
2 3 2 5 0 Mount Roads.
2 3 5 0 0 mount section 28.
Um, NP Mount Road Industrial LLC.
And a minor amendment is for changes to building high
quantity of truck, uh, truck docks
and fencing for building three only
PMA 2 4 0 0 0 7. Thank you.
Thank you Madam Secretary. Good evening. Good evening.
Can you tell us a little bit about the project?
Yeah. Thank you. Uh, my name is Mark Kanick.
Thank you commission for having me back here with you today.
Um, again, seeking minor amendment to,
uh, a previous approval.
Uh, I was here extending that site plan approval a couple
of weeks, uh, maybe a month ago, if you recall.
Um, so I'll briefly touch on, on the project, uh, for those
that aren't aware of it, and then get
into a little bit more detail.
Try and keep it brief on the minor amendment itself.
Uh, behind me, I have the custom sales team who's the
prospective tenant that wants
to move into this building we're discussing today.
So if you do have any questions for them,
they're happy to answer them as well.
Um, you can jump to the next slide.
I won't, I won't read all this,
but the details of this site, if you do recall, this is a,
um, a total of four building park.
We have two existing completed and leased buildings.
Building one on the north side,
building two is the Home Depot site.
And then the project we're talking about here,
as you can see on the screen, is building three at the
corner of nine Mile and Mound Road, uh, is a build
to suit industrial opportunity, uh, for custom cells.
Um, I'll invite, um, the custom sell up team right now.
There's just a couple of brief slides to kind of explain
what custom sales does, just so you're aware.
And then I'll, I'll kind of close it out with a couple
of the minor amendments that we're discussing today.
Thanks. Good evening.
My name is Maura Bush
and I'm here representative along
with my colleagues from the project team.
Um, and wanted
to tell you a little bit about the operations of custom cells.
So this is the history next slide.
Um, in order to support the IRA in growing demand
and clean energy technology, we are looking to expand,
uh, into North America.
Next slide, a little bit about our operations in
itself here in Warren.
Um, at 2 3 2 5 0 mound.
Um, we are looking to install a gigawatt line, uh,
scaling from one gigawatt, gigawatt into three.
Uh, the inside facilities is raw material storage, uh,
battery cell manufacturing, some testing as well
as warehouse, uh, similar
to property number one on the same North Point, uh,
development site, Sal, our neighbor.
Um, as far as our operations,
our staffing plan will be 194 full-time employees.
Um, and as we scale up our operations, uh, we'll get
above the 300 and, uh, 50 marks.
So 366, uh, at full scale. Next slide.
So this is a little bit about, uh, our actual ca CapEx, uh,
and personal opex, uh, as we scale up over the years.
Uh, significant amount of investment into the facility
as far as, uh, daily life at, uh, custom cells.
We do hire full-time employment, um,
offering comprehensive benefits, uh,
looking at a three shift, um, operations.
And we've been working very close with the community, um,
both on, uh, labor side, supporting our workforce, um,
as well as looking at, um,
unions potentially for our operations.
And thank you for the chance to talk about our operations.
Thank you. Thanks Mora. Uh, jump to the next slide.
So briefly, the minor amendment that we've had here.
We've had a height variance, which we took to ZBAA couple
of weeks ago for approval.
The manufacturing process for custom cells is,
is battery manufacturing, uh, for, for electric vehicles.
Um, the gray area in here is actually a heightened, uh,
manufacturing process to allow for their equipment within
that, uh, around 283,000 square foot manufacturing space.
Um, you can jump to the next slide.
Here's some elevations and sections of the project.
Again, this is part of the, what we pitched over to the,
to the ZBA board, um, a few weeks back.
Um, and, uh, one of the amendments that we're going
for is we're actually modifying the dock doors.
Uh, our original site plan approval had a different layout
of, of dock equipment doors.
This one's changing to sit
to suit their manufacturing needs.
Uh, so relatively minor.
Um, the layout of the building, the footprint
of the building has all remained the same
from our previous approval.
You can jump to the next slide.
And then here's the overall site plan.
Uh, north is to the right on this plan.
Mound Road is on the, on the top side of this plan.
And then nine mile is to the left side of this site plan.
Generally, the overall footprint
of the plan has remained the same
from our previous approval.
Um, we had some, a few modifications,
like I mentioned on the exterior of the building with,
with door, uh, roll up door location with parking layout.
Um, we are still working with DT on a substation,
which is one of the things that Ron's gonna
touch on on his recommendation.
We're hopeful that we don't need an industrial
substation on site.
Um, but we have one shown diagrammatically here in case
that does come to fruition.
Um, so I'll let Ron kind of touch on his recommendations
and then I'm happy to answer any
further questions that you may have.
Thank you, Sir. Thank you.
Correspondence, Correspondence, taxes, current fire.
The Warren Fire Department approves this site plan.
If you have any questions, please contact
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Thanks Madam Secretary.
Planning Department's recommendation,
It is recommended that the site plan for a minor amendment
for increasing the height of the BU of building three
to 61 feet, four inches to reduce the number of truck docks
to 10, and for a new fencing be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission.
And more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
One, A, uh, there's a discrepancy between sheet C dash 1.0,
the overall site plan and sheets C dash 4.1,
and C 4.2.
The enlarged site plan pertaining
to the overall square footage for building three.
Uh, the overall site plan, um, indicates the square footage
as 282,559 square feet.
And the enlarged site plan indicates the square footage
as 282,879 square feet.
Um, planning staff confirmed with the petitioner
that the correct number is 282,559 square feet.
Um, update all the plans accordingly.
Uh, one B provide information pertaining
to each tank and their contents.
And the tank farm indicated east of building three.
All necessary permits shall be obtained
from the building Division and Fire department.
Uh, one c remove all references to HC parking spaces
and replaced with the phrase accessible parking spaces.
Number two, the petitioner must provide a recorded document
for the DTE substation easement
and encroachment between the parcels
that contain building three and building four.
This document must be approved in draft format for form
by the city attorney prior to it being
recorded at the Macomb County Register of Deeds.
A copy of the document shall be
provided to the planning department.
And number, uh, three, um, the minor amendment only affects
building three.
The un bolded parts of the finding have not changed since
the September 12th, 2022.
Finding only changes have been made,
which are the bolded sections describing building three.
Any original conditions of the recommendation
for the original site plan approval must be addressed when
the revised site plan is submitted.
And number four, uh, surety bonded.
The amount of $3,045,000 was approved on
June 6th, 2023.
The planning staff recommends continuing the currently held
bond for the minor amendment.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thanks Ms. Michelle. Alright, thank you. Um,
I need a motion.
I make a motion to approve. Sure. Commissioner Hodi.
Uh, I'll make a motion to, uh, second, uh, Dre
As the motion of Mr.
Awadi supported by Mr. dse. Any discussion?
Go ahead. Okay.
To, to the petitioner.
I, I have during, by there and,
and to the developer too.
I give all rec uh, accommodations
and recommendations that this is, looks like a very good use
of what used to be the old HYDROMATIC plan for gm.
It's been vacant for years.
And now, and now you've been developing,
you had the Home Depot that went there not a few years ago.
And now I I do recall
that you were gonna further develop
the more of the property.
So I, I think this is good use of the land and,
and you did say you're going to try to keep,
and the developer or petitioner said they're gonna try
to hire Warren residents, you know, so if you could keep
that in mind would be appreciated.
'cause other good, hardworking, worn people here. Thank
You. Understood. Yeah, as
Maura mentioned, you know, lot, lots
of really good paying jobs.
Uh, so we're excited to bring that to the community.
Uh, Mr. Chairman, if I may, uh, question, uh,
and it might have been asked
before, uh, indulge me, if you will,
are you gonna have any lithium on this
property that you know of?
Yes. So we are working with Harrington Group.
They're a, uh, a national, uh, consultant that we use
for fire protection, um, services.
So yes, we do, and we are working through them actively.
We will engage the fire
or department to make sure we're designing, uh,
any storage within or outside of the facility appropriately.
Um, for not only lithium,
but any sort of material that is, uh, above
and beyond a typical, uh, fire sprinkler system.
Well, I I'm just very, very concerned about, uh,
compounds like lithium that soon
as water touching touches them, uh, there are flammable, uh,
consequences, let's put it.
Um, but it's, are you addressing that
and any other ecological problems that come up,
uh, during the, uh, course of manufacture?
Yeah, so we are absolutely, again, um, we're working
with the expert experts, not only on the custom sell side
who've been doing this in Europe for quite some time,
but also local expert that understand, um,
jurisdictions within the United States and Michigan.
Um, we're through kind of schematic design
and working toward final design for a permanent plan of set.
So I wouldn't say we have everything finalized as of yet,
but we've made a lot of really
good progress through that design.
Um, and we'll engage the fire department to make sure that,
that we're bringing them in early
and often so they understand the fire protection measures,
storage measures that are required for the type
of materials that we are using.
Very good. I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Uh, before we can move on
with the vote on this, I need a motion
to recognize this as a minor amendment.
No, you made a motion on the item.
We didn't do a motion for the minor amendment.
I, I make a motion on a minor amendment to prove.
I, I apologize.
It's not your fault. Second, do you have a second? I'll
Support or whoever.
Okay. Uh, roll call on the minor amendment.
Uh, commissioner Awadi? Yes.
Commissioner er? Yes. Commissioner Anza? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. Maori votes Yes.
For the minor amendment. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve the minor amendment.
Now to go on for the vote for the item that was a motion
by Commissioner Hollow support by Commissioner Ddue.
There's any other discussion? Um,
I do have a quick question for the petition.
I know you mentioned it's, uh, gonna be a three shift, uh,
schedule once this is up and running.
So it's gonna be a 24 hour facility.
Yeah. My name is Martin Taka. I work for Custom Cells.
Uh, yes, this is correct. It's a three hour facility,
a three shift facility, eight hours shift, so 24 hours.
Okay. Thank you. I'm just curious. Thanks.
Any other discussion to the petitioner?
Just one quick question.
You reduced the number of, uh, truck door truck, uh, ramps.
Uh, what was the purpose of that?
So, uh, within the facility itself, there's a lot
of manufacturing processes that, uh, kind of
but up to the perimeter of the building.
So not having dock doors right up against where
that manufacturer equipment would be, uh, allows us to kind
of reallocate the dock doors to where, uh, inbound
and outbound trucking is, is actually needed.
Uh, because we're building a build to suit
for a specific tenant
and not a speculative build for a future tenant, uh,
we're modifying those dock doors
accordingly to meet their manufacturing
needs within the building.
Is there a testing area in this building
for the stuff that you're
Building? We do have a testing area,
yes.
Dealing with, dealing with lithium.
Is it a, a safe, secure area so there's no, uh, accidents?
Yeah, so we're designing clean
and dry rooms that are fire rated.
Um, more specifically, it's used
for the manufacturing process where that, that material is,
is open, uh, and being used.
It's in a stable state
and I'm having to let these guys touch on it a little more.
It's in a stable state once it's complete,
the manufacturing process for testing, um, more.
Do you have anything to add to that? Yeah, just
Added the ISO six classification.
Each of the rooms, if you go back into the, uh, presentation
inside the facility, uh,
they're all within contained cleaning rooms in itself.
So as soon as you get into the building
and then beyond the security point, um,
within each facility, they're all controlled HVAC systems.
Um, just to further add, uh,
the company has had 13 years of an experience.
We are bringing the technology over, um,
and ensuring that they regulate to the local guidance
and, uh, authority holding ju jurisdiction.
All right. Thank you. Uh, no other questions.
I do have one other last question. Chair, go ahead.
Uh, when do you plan on starting the construction
of this new building?
So We're, we're currently working through some terms.
Their, their actual leadership team is in from Germany
today, so they're behind me now.
So we've been meeting with them and,
and having some really good conversations.
We're still hopeful we can,
we can break ground on this early next year.
Um, it depends on how funding things go
and a lot of, a lot of other
complications we're working through with them.
But we are still optimistic to break ground early next year.
No other questions? Thank you, chair. Go ahead, Mr.
I no question, uh, petition that I'm,
is there any number you can give us that you know
how many employee you will hire for this, uh, billing?
How many employees? Yeah, I think more, you said upwards
of 300 once your full scale, correct. Uh,
3 6 360 6 At full scale.
366.
Thank you. Anything else?
Alright, that was, uh, motion by Mr.
Hollow, supported by Mr. dse. Roll call.
Commissioner Hollow. Definitely. Yes.
Commissioner Za? Yes. Commissioner Za? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Commissioner More was? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approved. Good luck with your project, sir.
Thank, hopefully no, thank you.
You don't have any snags and it goes smoothly. Yeah.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank
You guys.
Thank you. Item number nine, bond release
Site plan for second drive through Lane
with Landscape Island.
Located on the northeast corner
of Van D**e Avenue and nine Mile Road.
2 3 0 0 0 Van D**e Avenue, section 27.
McDonald's U-S-A-L-L-C-P-S-P 2 2 0 0 1 7.
This was approved on July 11th, 2022.
Surety bond posted in the amount of $3,000 project complete.
Release the bond. Thank
You. Need a motion to
release the bond
Support Commission?
Oh yes. Yes. To release the bond.
Sorry, I second that motion.
There was a motion by Commissioner
Childry, supported by Mr.
Hollow. Roll call.
Commissioner Chadri? Yes. Commissioner Hollow. Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Commissioner Dja? Yes.
Commissioner Mauri. CIA Commissioner. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To release the bond posted amount of $3,000.
Item number 10. New business. Seeing none.
Item number 11, citizen participation.
Any any members
of the audience would like to speak, come forth.
You have three minutes to talk.
Na, leave your name and address
and they're not rushing up here.
So we're going to go to item number 12, planning Commission,
business
12 a Planning director's report.
Uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chair.
Just a few things from, uh, myself.
Been on vacation kind of for about the last two weeks,
so I just have about four days here of, uh,
work since I got back.
But, uh, met with the, uh, Warren Active Mobility Plan.
Excuse me. Uh, consultants, we do that every two weeks
and we're getting closer and closer to, uh, uh, things here.
So a good, good group to work with.
That was on the 16th also, excuse me, on the 16th.
Um, attended a meeting where Tom Bato presented, uh,
a facility called My Health.
MI point or dot, uh, health.
And, uh, this is a facility being proposed
on Van D**e Avenue.
It's a city project.
The uses will be in urgent care, um,
and, uh, medical use.
That's what that is. And, uh, residential dwellings,
otherwise known as a mixed use.
So it's gotta go through planning commission.
But, um, they managed to, uh,
uh, secure some financial health, uh,
health help, excuse me.
And, uh, so the project, uh,
looks like it's gonna go forward.
Looks really good. You'll be impressed with it.
Uh, once it gets to, uh, the Planning Commission, um,
also attended, uh, a meeting.
Uh, it was brought to the city
by fema, uh, the national, uh,
flood Insurance Program.
And out of Lansing, uh, some representatives came to us, uh,
to talk about all issues with flooding, so
to speak, and water and, and what to do with it and wetlands
and the streams, uh, that we have
and, uh, um, changes, uh,
to the, uh, floodplains, uh, that are along the, uh,
red run, uh, drain.
And, um, just issues like that.
So we had quite a discussion
and, uh, with that information, the
city administration will use that.
The mayor attended that one.
Um, and I guess lastly, I, uh, today attended a,
a mayor's, uh, staff meeting.
So that's about it. Do you have any questions?
Thank you, Mr. Ward. Thank you.
Anybody, any questions for Mr. Ward? Any
Questions?
I am 12 b planning commission discussion concerns.
I just have one question to ask our attorney. Jennifer.
Uh, I noticed that the cell phone tower, um, notes
that the, the amendment
for the cell phone tower was being revised
and Mary Michael was supposed to have yet
to present at the meeting tonight.
Did she give that to you?
Say that again. The,
are you talking about the ordinance being published?
Yeah, she was supposed to have it ready
to the final copy of it. It
Already has been submitted to, um, have it here.
Well, I don't know.
It still hasn't been published,
but it, it should be published soon.
Okay. That I was, It's been approved by council.
Okay. I was just checking to see, you know,
where we're at on that, because I noticed the note in there
said that she's gonna have it
by this meeting and I didn't know
If she, I did read that,
that she did indicate it was gonna be published
right before the evening.
But, um, regardless of other's been published,
it's still okay, in fact. Alright.
Thank you. And thank you for joining us this evening.
Uh, Colin, item number 13. Any other discussions? Mr.
Uh, Mr. Chairman, I have one question
or one comment to make, uh, to the planning, uh,
director or whoever, um, on 11 mound
at, uh, federal facility, they're parking, uh,
trailers and,
and everything else along the entrance onto the mound
from 11 Mile Road is, is
that federal land and we can't touch it
or, uh, next
to the, uh,
Please repeat. I was
No, no, no, not a problem.
Other conversations? The, uh, the north,
the northeast side of 11
and Mound, uh, at the, uh,
federal facility.
Yeah. They've got trailers, mobile homes,
everything you can imagine parked along the Mound Road.
Along Mound Road. Is, is there anything we can do about it?
Or is it federal land and we can't touch it?
Do they trailers have to ask or what,
What, what kind of trailers are these?
Construction trailers?
No, these are, these are, uh, trailer,
they're mobile homes and,
and fifth wheels. And the rest of it
Parked.
If, if, excuse me, if you go,
if you go east on 11 Mile Road
and make a, a left going north.
Mm-Hmm. Uh, on the other side of 11 Mile Road, if you look
to the right, there's the, it it's outrageous though.
There's gotta be a hundred trailers in there or mobile homes
or whatever you want to call 'em.
I'm just questioning whether
or not they're allowed to be there, first of all.
And second of all, if anybody's noticed,
Um, I admit not noticing, but I haven't been down that way
because that route was closed off when they
were building Mound Road.
It's open. So now it's open and Yeah.
Take, take a ride down there. And, and do you,
Do you think they're like,
They're storing 'em like they store 'em at Selfridge?
I mean, it's outrageous, the amount of 'em. Alright.
I don't know if there's anything we can do or
We'll look into it tomorrow.
I appreciate it. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Thank you Mayor Zey. Thank you Ron. Welcome.
Anything else? Okay.
Item number 13, calendar pending commanders.
Seeing none, I note 14 adjournment.
Need a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn.
I second that motion. I have a motion by Commissioner Ddue.
Support by Mr. Hollow. Wadi. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Any opposed? Have a good evening everyone. Thank.