Good evening.
Welcome to the City Warm Planning Commission meeting of
December 16th, 2024.
Please stand for the Pledge
of Allegiance, pledge
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and to the Republic, which is stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Roll call. Commissioner Anza.
Yes. Commissioner Zey. Present.
Commissioner Hollow Present.
Commissioner Hawk. Yes. Commissioner Chaudry. Present.
Commissioner Morris Present. Commissioner Beki Present.
Commissioner Smith.
Present All attendees. That's great.
Item number four, approve of the agenda.
Commissioner Chair, I make a motion to accept the,
the minutes, I mean the agenda.
Commissioner Chari Second.
Yes. Ass. A Motion by Commissioner Haldi.
Supported by Commissioner C. Chori. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Aye. Any opposed? Number five, approval of the minutes
of December 2nd, 2024.
Support Commissioner Childry.
Support je.
That was the motion. Commissioner Childry,
supported by Commissioner dse.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
No. Okay. Trying see if I, okay.
Going through the public hearing items. Item number six a.
Item number six. A special land used with the site plan
for used car sales
and parking lot expansion located on the southeast southwest
corner of gross back highway and nine mile road.
2, 2, 7, 5 5. Gross back highway section 35.
Joseph Tringle, JNT investment
P-S-P-S-L 2 4 0 0 0 1.
This is postponed from September 9th, 2024.
And October 21st, 2024.
Petitioner has withdrawn their request
for special land use with site plan.
I need a motion to recognize, to recognize,
withdraw this to site plan.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion that, uh,
we remove this, uh, special
land use, uh, plan.
And, uh, and that's it. Thank you.
Support. This is a motion by Commissioner dse,
supported by Commissioner Beki
to withdraw the site plan. Roll call.
Commissioner dse. Yes. Commissioner Beki. Yes.
Commissioner Antar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Shamo votes? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To remove the, the withdrawal
of the site plan item number six B.
Item Number six B site plan for new parking lot
and open storage for repair vehicles.
Located on the south side of nine Mile Road,
approximately 435 feet west of Hoover Road.
1 1 5, 1 0 and 1 1 5.
1 4 9 mile road section 34.
David Doud, coyote Auto Repair and collision.
PSP 2 4 0 0 21.
Postponed from October 21st, 2024.
And November 18th, 2024.
Planning staff request is to continue post postponement
to January 13th, 2025.
Okay. I need a motion
to postpone this item till January 13th, 2025.
Motion. I make a motion. Postpone, uh, with discussion.
Need a second. Support Commissioner Childry
As a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi support by Mr.
Child. We Go ahead. Commissioner Hollow
Is possibly the petitioner, uh, in the audience.
A representative.
Okay. Then I had a question for them,
but since no representative
Mr. Chairman.
Yes.
Since we've got it with discussion, uh,
does the staff know if they're in, uh,
discussions with their neighbor?
I hope,
Uh, through the chair.
Um, they are having discussions with, uh,
their neighbor and the, the neighbor to the west.
And, uh, it's just beginning.
We just heard about it
and, um, we'll have to see what the result of that is.
But, uh, as it
stands, I am gonna read the issues.
The issues concerning, uh, are concerning the size
of the site and access to and from the site were discussed.
And there was a meeting prior to this one, obviously,
and the issue concerning the unimproved
public alley in the rear
and, uh, process, uh, for improving it, uh, for,
for a secondary access remains unresolved.
And that's unresolved, uh, by the, by the staff.
And I'm, when I say staff, I'm talking about, uh,
the zoning, uh, section of the building division and us
and, um, engineering was a, a part of that meeting also.
So this is very complicated,
but, uh, right now they're not ready.
And they need to be, they should have this postponed
to January 13th.
If they, let's just say haven't been able to, uh,
purchase, uh, in a budding property, then we'll,
we'll have to go from there.
I can't, I can't even answer what the,
what the end result would be, but, uh,
But they're talking to the people to the west.
To the west, not to the east. To the east.
It's a vacant property. Right.
And they, uh, according to them, uh,
offered to buy and,
and, uh, the person wanted, uh, a lot of,
uh, money for that.
It was expensive. Yes. Yeah. Well, they do need more room.
I don't, I'm not sure I remember
what's to the west of it, but,
Well, to the west isn't adjoining, uh, uh, building
and then a, an outdoor storage area
To the west.
To the west, yes. Okay.
Then that, that, that kind of makes sense
That that could make sense.
But you know how negotiations are and all that.
Do you think they'll be done by January 13th?
Um, Or are we pushing
It? I'm, we're looking, we're
looking to have, I hope they can,
if they actually go through with the, with the sale,
they'd have to change their site plan,
but they can tell us about it on the 13th.
Alright. I'd rather keep this current as opposed to
spreading it out further.
All right, fair enough. Alright. Thank
You. Any other questions?
No. Any other discussion? Thank you, Mr. W Thank you.
Okay. That was the motion by Commissioner Hollow.
Support by Commissioner Childry. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Childry. Yes. Commissioner Ansar?
Yes. Commissioner er? Yes. Commissioner Hawk?
Yes. Commissioner Maori votes? Yes. Commissioner Beki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To Postpone of January 13th, 2025. Item number six C,
Item number six C.
Site plan for gas station
and convenience store with drive through,
located on the east side of east side
of Gross Back Highway approximately 1,109 feet West, uh,
nine feet from Razzo Road.
2 6 2 6 0 gross back highway section 24 Zuko Investment
Corp, PSP 2 4 0 0 2 9.
This was postponed from December 2nd, 2024. Thank
You. Thanks Madam Secretary.
Is the petitioner here this evening?
Yes. Good evening, sir.
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Can you tell us a little bit about your project?
Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name's Tony Zer.
I'm the father of my son, Christopher.
He couldn't come here. He was feeling a little, uh,
uncomfortable with the flu and all that.
Uh, what we have here, situation where the vehicle land,
I would like to make something out of it.
As we all know, the present time is not doing any good
to the city of Warren is not doing much good to the,
the community surrounded.
Our plan will provide a nice, uh, gas station site
with, uh, small drive through restaurant
that will serve the community very, very well.
And I have some benefits that I can read out to you.
We create positive economic growth in the,
for the community, 24 hours, convenience, access
to goods, drinks, and gas, gasoline.
The station will be licensed
and visibility all around it for 24 hours.
We will highly secured
and managed system will work
with the local police department
to support the local businesses.
The, the project will provide
several jobs for the people within community
where the location it is just on gross back,
just slightly south of 6 96,
and there's no gas station in that area.
It would be very convenient for traffic traveling north
and south on, on gross back to enter to the, to the highway.
Um, we will comply with all your requirements
and I do request the approval for the decide plan.
Any minor issues, we can hammer them with the planner
and to become to your satisfactory.
Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. Thank
You. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current
engineering preliminary review of this site, yield
to the following comments from the engineering division.
Number one site shall comply
with the current storm water
ordinance of the city of Warren.
All storm water runoff shall be maintained on the site.
Follow the city of foreign storm water standard specified
under ordinance 80 dash 7 96.
This includes detention, pretreatment, bio retention, cells,
rate control, and infiltration.
Infiltration testing is required on site number two,
provide a storm water narrative on the site plan.
Number three, soil erosion and sedimentation control permit
or waiver shall be required
for the site from the Macomb County Department
of Public Works prior to construction.
Four. Site plan shall show the location of all
existing slash proposed underground utilities,
including their size, material, type,
and discharge point in the vicinity of the project.
Five. Any construction within gross back highway R-O-R-O-W
shall require a permit from the,
from the Michigan Department of Transportation.
Number six, dumpster dumpster pad shall be minimum.
Eight inch concrete seven site plan shall show
how you intend to drain the entire parcel drainage onto
adjacent parcel is not permitted.
Um, number eight, the outside parameter
of all page slash parking spaces shall be minimum eight six
inch concrete curb and gutter fire.
I reviewed the site plan and it was approved on 11 6 20 24.
So November 6th, 2024. Going on to page two.
At and t at t does not object to the new gas station one.
Looking at the county GIS slash Google Street view,
the site has been vacant for quite a while,
but my records show a cable on the site.
I'm sure it was just a removal
that did not update for some reason.
But if the developer has any issues at the site,
please advise them to call Joe Crosky Comcast.
In response to your utility request for the above project,
please refer to the attached map for the location of Comcast
CT CV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at CCC utility
request@teamsigma.com.
DTE DT Electric Company has reviewed the site plan
for gas station and convenience store with drive
through impacting 2 6 2 6 0 gross back highway section
24 and have determined
that there is no object per the site plan provided.
If you have any questions,
please do not hesitate to contact me.
At 5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
MCPW, the Macomb County Public Works office.
M-C-P-W-O has reviewed the site plan for the,
for the project referenced above,
and has determined that this site is located within Shaer
branch gross lateral frail road drainage drain
drainage district.
The Shaner branch gross spec lateral frail road drain is
located on the manhole northwest corner of the property line
as a potential tap to the reference drain.
Any storm water discharge
to the drain will require A-M-C-P-W
storm water review and approval.
Any storm water discharged
to the gross back highway storm water system is under the
Michigan Department of Transportation MO jurisdiction
and would require their approval prior
to the site plan approval.
It is highly recommended that the design consultant
and landowner schedule an engineering meeting
with this office to discuss how our standards may apply
by contacting Heather Morin at heather dot
mor@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 3 0 7 8 2 8 0.
Any site disturbance over one acre will require the proposed
site to confirm with the MCP W'S procedure
and design standards manual from Stormwater Management
Review section V for stormwater detention
and drain easement requirement
MO The proposed work is on MDOs R-O-R-O-W,
so a permit will be required.
Please contact our McComb TSC permits engineer if you
have any questions. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary Planning
department's recommendation.
Okay, uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is, uh, as follows, it is recommended
that the, uh, site plan for gas station
and convenience store with a drive through, uh, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, a update the zoning information on the site plan
and the site data chart to read
p parking District West 25 feet, uh,
C3 wholesale and intensive business district.
The balance, uh, one B outdoor retail sales,
such as, uh, window washer fluid
or ice, uh, is not indicated on the site plan.
If this is to be placed outside for sale, it must be added
to the site plan and the square footage noted on the,
in the, uh, site data chart.
Otherwise, the following standard note shall be, uh, added
to the site plan.
And that is all outdoor retail sales
of items shall be prohibited on the site.
One c provide, uh, the length
and width dimensions
for the gasoline canopy on the site plan.
Uh, 1D the property in question is 1.7 acres,
a stormwater narrative explaining how the site will comp,
uh, excuse me, comply with, uh,
the city's stormwater ordinance may be required if the area
of disturbance is over an acre.
Uh, provide the area of disturbance on the site plan.
One EA note shall be
provided on the site plan indicating the following devices
for the transmission of or projection of voices
or music, uh, shall be so directed
or covered as to prevent the sounds of music, uh,
from being audible beyond the boundaries of the site.
One f uh, indicate the height of the new building
and gasoline canopy on in the site data chart.
One GA note shall be
provided on the site plan stating open storage of materials,
uh, shall not be permitted on the site.
One h if outdoor seating is, uh, proposed for the drive
through restaurant, it shall, uh,
be indicated on the site plan parking calculation
for the restaurant area in the building.
And the outdoor seating area shall be updated
to one parking space per 200 square feet.
One, I update the parking calculation for the retail area
of the, uh, convenience store to
one parking space per 300 square feet.
One J the West 25 feet of the property
is Zone P parking district per section 16.06.
The front 15 foot, uh, area shall be used
for ornament ornamental purposes only.
Additionally, uh, per section four D 0.45,
the front yard berm, uh, shall be required for
gasoline service stations
and comply with section four D 0.15
of the zoning ordinance, uh, condition.
K. The following changes shall be made on the site plan.
Number one, the front setback area along gross spec, uh,
shall be 15 feet in width
and be in compliance with sections four D 0.5
and four D 0.45 of the zoning ordinance.
Uh, number two, that's K two.
The expanded width of the front setback
affects the rest of the site.
Uh, the north south maneuvering lane
that services the parking spaces on the west side
of the gas station, uh, shall measure 23 feet in width.
Uh, the gasoline station would then move east
along with the drive-through lane
as a total system approximately four
to five feet on the plan.
Number three six inches.
A six inch high concrete curb and gutter shall be
provided for the front setback area.
That's gross back highway
and connected, uh,
to the additional concrete curbing setback, two feet
along the north and south property lines, then connected
to the rear curbed parking area.
The petitioner shall review the planning department work
plan for more details.
K four. The drive through lanes shall be indicated closer
to the rear of the building.
The petitioner shall review the planning department work
plan for more details.
Condition K five.
The rear is 63 feet of the property would be retained
as green space.
Native plants shall not be removed from this area, acts
as a natural bioswale.
The bioswale shall be connected to the site drainage system
by way of an overflow pipe system connecting, uh,
to the overall drainage system of the site.
K six. The entire storm sewer layout,
including the underground detention area, shall be
provided on the site.
Plan one L
indicate all proposed lighting on the site plan.
Uh, one MA note shall be
provided on the site stating all lighting
provided, uh, on the underside of the canopy for the
gasoline pumps shall be recessed and flush mounted.
One n permits shall be required from mdot
for work in the gross back highway right of way,
one oh, provide a semi-transparent layer on the
site plan showing the location of the existing driveways
and label them to be removed.
One p, remove the crimson king maple trees,
also known as Norway maples,
and replace them with flowering crab.
Apple trees. One K
or Q, excuse me, uh, a 20 foot wide green belt
or a six foot high brick embossed poured concrete wall
will be required along the east rear property line
where the butts, the, uh, the R four
multiple family dwelling indicate.
Here we go to, um, excuse me, one R indicate the existing
landscaping on the site plan one s
the green belt along the east property line abutting.
The R three district shall comply
with section 15.03
and section 2.26 of the zoning ordinance.
It shall be 20 feet in width, composed of two rows of, uh,
evergreen trees, spaced alternately at
no more than 20 feet apart,
and no less than three rows
of evergreen shrubs spaced not more than eight feet apart,
and which are at least five feet or more in height
after one full growth, uh, growing season
after planting in which shrubs eventually grow to the height
of not less than, uh, 12 feet at maturity,
and which, uh, shall be planted
and maintained in a healthy growing condition
by either the occupant or owner of the property.
One t provide the dimensions
of the proposed trash enclosure on the site plan.
One UA trash enclosure must be
provided on the site with the following note stating
a trash enclosure measuring a minimum 10 foot
by 10 foot shall be constructed
of six foot high brick embossed poor concrete walls
with 45 degree angle cap, have screen gates
and be placed upon a minimum 10 foot by 18 foot concrete pad
that provides an eight foot wide apron
masonry block shall not be used
as a construction material condition.
Number two, two copies of revised floor
and elevation plans must be submitted indicating the
following two A And it's indicates
here, uh, the left
and right elevations, uh,
shall be switched on the elevations and floor plans.
Uh, the drive
through window is indicated on the north
elevation of the site.
Plan two B, uh, provide the cardinal directions
of north, southeast, and West for each side of the building.
And two c, label the proposed facade materials
and lighting on the elevation.
Plan, uh, 2D provide the type of materials proposed
for the canopy and two e indicate
all proposed lighting on the elevation plan
condition number three, the following variance, uh, may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals, uh, prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division.
And that is to waive the chain link fence
to completely enclose, uh, the drive
through restaurant use.
And finally, number four, a performance bond, uh,
in the amount of $54,000 be posted according
to the estimated cost of, uh,
$1,800,000 by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you, Mr. Worth. Thank you. This is a public hearing.
Anybody would like to speak on this item, please come forth.
State your name and address for the record,
and you have three minutes to make your comments.
Hi, Lori Harris, 4 0 4 7 Hillcrest.
I just have a couple questions.
Um, when someone wants to build a gas station,
do they typically already have a relationship
with the provider of the gas?
Is this, I don't know if in the,
since we don't get any information, is this an amaco station
or a chill box station or a sheet station?
Like how I, maybe if you can ask that question so
that, that we could know that, um, that's,
that was really my only question. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Seeing none will turn it over to the commission,
Commission chair. I
make a motion to approve with discussion
Support That was a motion
by Commissioner Hollow wadi support
by Commissioner Ansar. Go ahead with discussion.
Okay. Can I have the petitioner step forward, please?
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Okay, you welcome.
I see that's a nice piece of land,
but I just have a couple q quick questions.
Um, what type of, uh, according to what I see
that you're gonna be serving food there,
is it gonna be a restaurant or just a store?
No, this is gonna be strictly a store with possible.
A small drive through restaurant will be probably
different entity or something.
No, there's not gonna be no sit down restaurant at all.
So, so no restaurant right now? No.
No. Okay.
And unlike the one, uh, citizen
or asked about, are you be connected to any type
of gas station, is it gonna be a ppp, a shell, or
We are not connected to anybody.
We are free to go whoever we like to. Okay.
Thank you. Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Yes, petitioner. Petitioner,
Can you come back? Can,
can you come back up please?
Yes, I do have a question.
Um, one of our resident, Laurie, she raised this question
that what type of gas station, you know,
you gonna have like, you know, any, uh, franchisee, like a
mobile, you know, shell bp,
It's gonna be definitely one
of these we haven't decided yet.
It's gonna be something in the what's out in the market.
Not something huge, huge, but something standard.
So you don't have any contract with any franchisee yet
that you know you're gonna get guests from them?
Not yet. Not yet.
So you were planning to have a franchisee
or, you know, you're gonna have your own company that,
you know, you can just get a guest from them?
When we, when we get everything in order
and ready to move, then we're gonna start contacting
companies and we'll decide which company we will go with.
Okay. So you are not deciding yet?
Not yet. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you.
Other commissioner while speak on this,
Uh, Mr. Chairman, if
I may, uh, while you're there,
this is a good sized piece of property.
Um, are you,
do you agree with the recommendations as far
as leaving the greenscape, the, the, the, uh,
land the way it is in the, in the east section of it?
Do you have any problems with that?
Or, or, because this is going to be a pretty good size
of the development from the look of it,
and frankly, there are no gas stations about around it
until you get up to about nine mile road or whatever.
Right. So, um, this might be a very, very good deal for you.
I hope so. If you, if you build it up
and you do what you say you're going to do, um,
I think it'll be an asset to the neighborhood
and an asset to the city.
Um, that's about it. Uh, definitely
We'll be something that you'll be proud of it.
We'll be proud of it, and the
committee will be very happy with
It. I think
that's very important.
And, uh, I wish you good luck in your, uh,
development of this.
I look forward to seeing it. Thank, thank you very much.
Thank you, commissioner. Any other commissioners? Um,
Mr. Chair, if I may
go ahead.
Um, I know you were talking about the
drive through restaurant.
Where do you have anything in mind? Like, um,
We still really, we don't, we are, we are developers
and we have contacts with a lot of restaurants,
but we have not pinpoint who's gonna be yet,
but definitely we'll get some, somebody that will do, uh,
uh, very good for the community.
Okay, Thank you.
We are still at very early stage of development.
I'm a developer for over four years.
That's what we do for a living.
Then when time comes, we have contacts in the, in this area,
then we pick, can choose when we will go.
Thanks. Any other commissioners?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Thank you, sir.
It looks like it's gonna be a good project.
Looks like you're trying to cover all the bases,
and I understand it's in this pre premature stage to
where you don't know who your,
which gas station's not gonna be there
and what drive through, uh,
restaurant's going to have the drive through.
So you've got a lot of work to do,
make it come to Fruitation.
But I think it is a good location
because like you said, there isn't really a gas station
right there, so
I, I think so.
I think so. It'll be service what we do.
We'll be proud of it.
And I don't do anything if I'm not happy with myself,
I don't care where it is too is, if I'm not happy
with, I'll not do it.
I'm proud in what I do
and hopefully this will be very,
very nice project for the community.
Very good. Well, thank you, sir.
Thank you. Uh, roll call please.
Commissioner Ari? Yes.
Commissioner Aner? Yes. Commissioner er? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Commissioner Beki? Yes.
To approve Commissioner Mauri votes? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project, sir. Thank
You very much, Las Have a good evening.
Have a nice holiday. Thank
You. Thank you.
Item number 60, Item number 60.
Site plan for the open storage of trailers and trucks.
And for, for the addition
of a steel container for office space.
Located on the west side of Pinewood Street, approximately
118 feet south of Stephens Road.
2 3 8 0 7 Pinewood Street, section 29
C-T-T-L-L-C, uh, CICA Camara,
PSP 2 4 0 0 3 0. Thank you.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening.
Good evening. You
tell us a little bit about your project.
Yeah, so C-T-T-L-L-C, excuse me.
Um, we are a local trucking company, um,
providing specialized freight for steel commodities
throughout the Midwestern United States.
Um, we are headquartered in Warren, Michigan.
Um, and we are looking to add a secondary offsite storage
location at the Pinewood Street, um, to house
and store our truck
and trailer combinations, um,
again at the Pinewood location.
Okay. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes,
current engineering preliminary review of this site, yield
to the following comments from the engineering division.
Number one, site plans shall show the location
of all existing slash proposed underground utilities,
including their size, material, type,
and discharge point in the vicinity of the project.
Number two, all parking
and open storage shall be on hard surface
except with variance.
Number three, open storage shall require a variance.
Number four, the outside parameter
of all paved slash parking spaces shall be minimum
six inch concrete curb and gutter.
Number five, show
and identify the location of the proposed water stop box
and sanitary clean out in the green belt.
Fire. Fire has reviewed
and approved this site plan on 11 20 20 24 Comcast.
We have area facilities in the area,
but do not have conflicts with this proposal.
MCPW, the Macomb County Public Public Works office,
M-C-P-W-O has reviewed the site plan for the,
for the project reference above
and has determined this site is not under the jurisdiction
of M-C-P-W-O
and storm water discharges to a storm sewer owned by, owned
by the city of Warren.
Any storm water discharged
to the storm sewer on Pinewood Street is under the city
of Warren jurisdictions
and would require approval from the
city's engineering division. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary Plain Department recommendation.
All right. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Uh, the recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended, uh, that the site plan
for the open storage of trailers
and trucks for the add for the addition
of a steel container for office space be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commissioner.
More specifically, uh, number one, five copies
of revised site plans must be submitted
indicating the following.
And that's one a a note shall be added to the site plans
that states no refrigerated trucks
or units shall be stored in the parking lot.
Uh, one B indicate if truck drivers will be parking their
personal vehicle in the same space as the
truck trailer when the truck is on the road.
One C indicate the number of employees at the site.
1D one employee parking space shall be
provided, uh, for the office.
One EA note shall be
provided stating all lighting on the site, uh,
shall be shielded
and not encroached upon abutting properties.
Uh, the light poles shall be no higher than 20 feet.
All glare shall be eliminated, uh, from all light fixtures
Upward, directly directed lighting shall not be permitted.
One f it appears the light pole in approximately the center
of the light will need to be removed
or relocated to accommodate the storage.
Uh, one G per section four D 0.46
of the zoning ordinance modifications to
non-residential requirements, uh, for landscaping screens,
uh, for natural buffers.
Subsection three states the public benefit intended
by the landscape, screen
or buffer, uh, requirements, uh,
could be better achieved with an alternate.
Alternate design.
Planning staff has provided an alternate design by moving,
uh, the truck trailer storage 35 feet from the west
property line by setting the storage
back in additional 15 feet.
And by increasing the landscape screen to 20 feet in width
per section 2.26 subsection B
of the zoning ordinance,
it will result in a more effective screening
between the existing residential
dwellings along Panama Avenue
and the proposed storage area.
Uh, one h and note shall be
provided stating all landscaped areas shall be
automatically irrigated.
One i a trash enclosure must be
provided on the site, uh,
with a following note stating a trash enclosure.
Measuring a minimum 10 feet by 10 feet, uh,
shall be constructed
of six foot high brick embossed poured concrete walls
with 45 degree angle cap, have screen gates
and be placed upon a minimum 10 foot by 18 foot concrete pad
that provides an eight foot wide apron
masonry block shall not be provide, not be used as a
construction material, uh, condition.
Number two, all permanent structures must meet the city
of Warren Building Division, regu, excuse me, requirements
condition number three.
The following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division,
which is A one A
to allow 26,320 square feet
of open storage
and b uh, three B
to allow the proposed truck trailer parking area
to be set back 25 feet from the front east
property line on Pinewood.
Um, and excuse me,
something's missing here.
Another variance C
would have to be that the trucks
and trailers need to be set back.
A required 75 feet from the front, that's the,
uh, east property line that's in the industrial
standards, a requirement.
And, uh, the planning, uh, commission has a choice, uh,
whether the fence that's supposed to be erected there, uh,
is, is a screening fence or not.
Uh, staff didn't say either way, it is an industrial area.
Um, it, I'm not so sure that a, a screen is necessary.
Uh, so that's an addition, uh, to the variance.
And so, condition number four, uh, a performance bond,
the amount of, uh, $18,000 to be posted according
to the estimated cost of $600,000 by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. Weir. This is a public hearing.
If anyone would like to speak on this item, please claim up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Hi, Lori Harris. This says it's on the east
side of Pinewood, which means it should be on the mound side
of Pinewood, but there's Panama Street
and if I'm correct, is this property on the west side
and not the east side.
Um, and there, so there are homes I saw there.
Um, and I know that when there have been, uh,
things coming up and planning for trucks, um,
and storage, uh, the neighbors should be considered in terms
of, uh, you know, we've, we've, I've I've heard, um,
you know, where the trucks, the drivers go
and warm up their trucks for quite a while in the morning
and there's a lot of exhaust.
So those are the kinds of questions
I think need to be asked.
Um, and what exactly will be stored there,
aside from the trucks?
And what, just a practical question.
How do you get water, electric sewer
when you're in a parking lot, when it's in a paved area?
So how do they put that in their little building?
Um, uh, but those are my questions. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone like else
like to come up and speak on this?
Yes. My name is Jeffrey Harrell.
I live right behind the lot
and my concerns were the same as hers.
We had a lot adjacent to the south of this
that was storing semis,
and we had a lot of issues with noise.
The, uh, exhaust from the trucks.
You couldn't open your windows
when they were running the trucks.
So I just, I don't know what they're planning on doing.
'cause like I said, we had a lot of noise
and the, the lot that was to the south of them was ordered
to remove the trucks and they no longer allowed
to store trucks there.
So I don't know why
they're trying to do it in this lot now.
We have a lot, a lot of kids in the area.
Like I said, they, they would be running trucks
all hours of the night.
It would be rattling your house, like she said,
it is on the residential side, so it's
literally right behind your house.
So thank you.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Seeing them will turn it over to the commission.
Commissioner Chair, I make a motion
to approve with discussion
Support Commissioner Chare.
That is a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi supported
by Commissioner Chare discussion.
Okay. Can I have the petitioner step forward please?
Thank you, sir. Okay. Uh, there was concern.
Um, what are your hours of operation?
Are they, trucks could be coming all hours of the day
and night or just during the day
or when you going when They could be coming in more
Predominantly, uh, during the hours between eight
and 6:00 PM Um, but there is the possibility of
after hour, uh, trucks entering the facility.
Okay. When they come in, are they,
are engines could be running continuously
or were they shut 'em off as they pull in the lot?
Yes, sir. That's correct. Yeah,
they'll be turned off at that point.
So, uh, try to keep the noise down
for the residents in the area.
Correct? Yeah. So the vehicles, the truck
and trailer combination that we have are all 2022
and newer power units, um, that are equipped
with the diesel exhaust fluid to minimize the amount of, um,
particulates entering the air.
Um, as well as the, um, regulations
provided by the F-M-C-S-A, uh, regarding the exhaust,
um, decibels.
So there's, um, it's, it's all regulated from
the agencies that, uh, we have to comply with.
Okay. Thank you, sir. I, I, Any other, uh, commissioner
Mr. Chairman,
if I may? Uh, good, good evening. Good evening.
Um, are you using this area for overflow?
Yes, sir. That's correct. So we, again,
we're headquartered off of 6,500 East 11 Mile Road, um,
and we are using this location as our secondary site
for our truck and trailer parking.
Um, simply put, we are out of, we're out
of space at our 6,500 location.
All right. Um, and it's very important
that no refrigerator, trucks,
or you leave trucks running there, uh,
for an extended period of time.
Uh, I don't want to hear, hear,
or see that the neighbors are going, uh, are,
are being put out by all of this.
Correct. Uh, I've been involved in a number of these that,
uh, everything was fine until they plugged in the fri the,
the plugged in the refrigerated, uh, tanks.
Right. And then trucks rather.
And then they ran all night long just
to keep everything cold.
Um,
To answer your question, so again, we specialize in, um,
transporting steel commodities.
So all of our trailers are
considered the Conestoga trailers.
So it's simply a flatbed with a, like a tarp overhang
that goes over the canopy of the trailer.
So there are no refrigerated trucks, nor do we operate and
nor are we regulated to operate refrigerated
or reefer type trailers.
Alright. Um, uh, last
but not least, uh, screening for the neighbors, um,
uh, the staff is adding a 75 foot,
um, uh, area,
or I don't know if that's 75 foot, uh, east
or the west side.
Okay. Are you speaking of the, uh, the front,
so the addition that I, right?
Uh, yeah, just
That's along mound.
I wanna Okay.
I wanna call your attention to, in your finding
it's under B note four
and, and, uh, unfortunately that didn't get into the, uh,
All right, Into the three.
It would be under c uh, for the variance.
Uh, it's either, you know, variance 25 feet
and, um, with a fence and,
and, uh, screening maybe, or maybe not, uh,
or, uh, move, move that whole line back 75 feet
to comply with the ordinance.
That's that. But if you're now talking about
the area along the, the dwellings, the reside residential
Area, right? They're the,
I wanna screen the residential as much
as possible that and, and leave it up as far as possible.
And excuse me, that was,
um, okay.
That was mentioned under one G of the recommendation. Right.
And that, that was the planning staff's alternative design,
moving them back so they'd be at least 20 feet from
the property line
and more than what they are now,
Or would be odd.
Mr. Petitioner, do you agree with that?
I do have questions regarding the 75, uh, feet
requirement or variance.
Um, this was not
provided, um, ahead of time, um, is our understanding.
It was 25 feet was the variance according
to our property lines, the current, um,
offset from the fence to the residential easement
or alleyway to the west is already, uh,
set back 21 feet.
Okay. Our current expectations for the west side of
that parking lot is to have 70 foot parking spaces
for our truck and trailer combination,
those truck and trailer combinations.
Uh, the calculated measurement of that truck
and trailer is 55 feet.
Okay. In length. So we can essentially push those vehicles
closer to the east end of the property.
Okay. Um, which will then give that additional footage, uh,
that is being requested.
Um, but to push it another up to 70 feet, I mean, that,
that takes essentially that whole west end of
that property unusable space.
Alright. Well, um, I,
I think developing this
and using it as a, as a, um, storage is probably
as good an idea as possible for that area
and for that lot.
Um, I just don't wanna see the neighbors getting, uh,
having a great view of the back of trailers, uh, and
or, uh, smelling diesel all night long.
I agree. In terms of our trailers.
So their residents will not have the ability to see
inside the trailers because the,
the tarping system on those Conestoga trailers
are enclosed entirely.
So there's no, like, open storage. Okay.
Additionally, with our customers
and their requirements,
we will not be storing any commodities on
that property whatsoever.
It's only going to be truck
and trailers with the addition of the container
as our quote unquote office
Space. Office space.
Okay.
And to answer one of the resident's questions earlier, um,
we anticipate to do underground directional boring
to obtain the underground lines for the water, sewer,
and electrical to from Pinewood
to the container itself.
Okay. How many trucks do you imagine are going
to be kept in this area?
Um, a maximum of 32, but realistically between 25 and 30.
Alright.
All right. Thank you Mr. Chair. Thank you. Anyone
Else like to speak on this item?
Uh, I, I have a question for you.
Uh, it seems to me this parking lot was using for the truck
parking before, or no,
Not, uh, it not under our, um, establishment.
Um, it's my understanding that this property set vacant up
to 10 years, um, with the possibility
of leasing the property.
We don't know, we have no notification of that.
Um, I, it's my understanding that this property was going
to be used as a, uh, self storage facility
and those plans did not proceed.
Um, and it sat vacant with a combination of, uh,
I believe a construction company utilizing the property
for various equipment, truck trailers,
um, things of that sort.
Um, our intentions is to use it solely as our truck
and trailer parking, um, at this location.
Um, in addition, cleaning up the west end of the property,
um, as a lot of the trees are overgrown containing weeds,
trash, debris, um, that we took
into account when purchasing the property
and have made the efforts to clean that area up, um,
to not only the beautification of the property,
but to, to keep that area as clean and orderly as possible.
So your truck is only taking the like major, uh,
like major road, not any like route
inside the neighborhood, right?
No, Sir. No neighbor?
No. Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you. Oh, If I may go ahead.
Um, so I know you had mentioned this is gonna be your second
location to the 11 mile location that you already have.
How long have you had the 11 mile location for?
Since 2021.
2021, okay. Yes ma'am.
Um, with the maximum capacity
of 32 trucks you had just mentioned,
or maybe on a daily average,
you're probably gonna have 22, 25.
Just going off what you have said, do you plan
to have every, or is the possibility
that every single morning all those trucks are gonna be
coming out and at night they're coming back in?
What does that look like?
Um, as of today
or, um, in the proceeding months or years?
Um, no. So we, we will use our 6,500 location
as our primary spot.
The Pinewood location is our secondary offsite
for the sole purpose that we do not have any space
available, uh, to expand due to the geographical area.
Um, therefore we're using that as our,
just our true offsite parking.
So yes, trucks and trailers will come in and out,
but not from everyone leaving at 6:00 AM
and coming back at five
or, you know, six o'clock in the
afternoon or in the evening.
The, those vehicles will come in
and out, um, as we are moving vehicles
to our 6,500 location.
But it's, it's not gonna be a continuous float coming in
and out of that facility.
So for the 11 mile loca location, what does, um,
your morning look like?
Is that usually in the six in the morning
where all the trucks are pulling out?
It can vary. Typically between six
and 8:00 AM we have trucks, uh, again, we have a lot
of trucks that are on the road on a continuous basis
so they're not returning for several days later.
So that truck may leave Monday morning or Sunday afternoon
and not arrive back till Tuesday
or Wednesday of the, of, within that given week.
Okay. That's all. Thank You. Thank you.
Anyone else through the petitioner? Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Thank you. Um, the
extra dimension that we wanted for the green,
the green space for the moving the trailers over
to provide extra screening from the neighbors.
Um, I like the idea that we do that
'cause the neighbors don't need to see all that.
Um, the other thing you said, the hours operation from eight
to six, so does
that mean no trucks will be pulled in after six?
There's no guarantee that that would,
um, be conducted.
But given the location
as well as, uh, a residential neighborhood directly
to the west, um, we can assist in those accommodations to,
uh, limit the amount of vehicles coming in
and out of that location
and offset it to our 6,500 location instead.
So during the day of between eight
and five, we can move our current vehicles at 6,500
to the Pinewood location to have our vehicles coming
after hours to our 6,500 location to meet those needs.
Are there gonna be gates on
the entrances of the driveways?
There will, yes, though.
So there'll be two gates located on the east end
of the property on Pinewood.
Uh, that will be automatic.
So the, the, essentially the property will be closed off
to limit the amount of, um,
unwanted individuals coming in and out of that property.
Um, and all the trucks will have access to open
and close those gates as they arrive to that location.
All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Just to note, I I noticed on the findings earlier today,
and I made a note and we changed it this evening.
It is not on the project is on the west side of Pinewood.
It's not on the east side of Pinewood.
So we did make that, we did acknowledge that change when I,
when she read the description of it.
So, uh, I just wanted to make a note that
that had been changed
and it will be in the minutes as far as the change
that the project is on the west
side instead of the east side.
Okay. Okay. If there's nothing else then uh, roll call.
Commissioner Ari? Yes.
Commissioner Childre? Yes. Commissioner Aner? Yes.
Commissioner Dee? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Barki? Yes. Commissioner Mauri votes?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project, sir.
Thank you. Have a good evening and have a nice holiday.
Thank you, you too. Take care.
I, number seven. Correspondence. Seeing none.
I number eight, old business, seeing none.
Uh, number nine, bond release.
Nine. A minor amendment to site plan
for parking lot expansion and two new parking areas.
West side of Van D**e Avenue, approximately 549.6 feet north
of City Center Drive.
3 0 0 0 1 Vandyke Avenue. Section nine.
General Motors Company.
Regarding the minor amendment for the installation
of solar canopies approved on June 13th, 2011,
surety bond posted in the amount
of $4,500 project complete. Release the bond.
First, I'd like to recognize it as a minor amendment,
so I need a motion to recognize it as a minor amendment.
A motion to recognize the minor amendment.
Commissioner Chari
Support Bki.
There as a motion by Commissioner Chari, supported by Mr.
Eck, commissioner Beki to recognize it as a minor amendment.
All in favor? Aye. A. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Um, this is a bond release,
so I need a motion to release the bond.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion
that we release the bond Doe
I second motion. Commissioner
ti
There's a motion by Commissioner Ddue,
supported by Commissioner Hollow. Uh, roll call.
Commissioner Ddue? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. Commissioner Denki?
Yes. To release the bond,
Uh, commissioner Morrie votes? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To release the bond of $4,500. Item number nine B.
Item Number nine B, site plan for canopy.
Addition to existing drive through of Huntington Bank,
south side of 12 Mile Road, approximately 200 feet west
of Quida Road.
2012 Mile Road.
Section 18 Huntington Bank approved on June 26th, 2006.
Cash bond posted in the amount of $3,600.
Project complete. Release the bond.
You need a motion to release the bond.
Commissioner Chair, I make a motion to release the bond
Support Beki.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow.
Support by Commissioner Beki. Roll
Call Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Beki? Yes.
To release the Bond Commissioner, I'm sorry. Yes.
Commissioner Doe?
Yes. To release Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. Commissioner Vo? Yes.
Commissioner Smith? Yes.
To release the bond of $3,600 I number 10,
new business planning Commission approval
of the 20 25 20 26 playing department budget.
Well, Mr. Chair, uh, here to answer any questions, uh,
that you may have regarding the budget.
I understand that, uh, there was a, you know,
had the public hearing two weeks ago.
And, uh, if you, again, have any further questions
regarding the budget, I'll attempt to answer them.
Do any of the commissioners have any questions for Mr.
Work?
Seeing none. Looks like you did a very good job
putting a budget together.
Um, if we don't have any questions for you,
I didn't see our Christmas bonus in there,
but maybe that comes next year, but you,
You mean mine.
But anyway, I wanna thank you for all your time,
work at your office, put into preparing the budget and,
and thanks to the staff for putting it together for us.
But it looks pretty good. Um, if there's no other question,
uh, we make a motion to approve the, approve the budget.
Motion. To approve the budget Benke
Support Duvet Does.
There's a motion by Commissioner Beki,
supported by Commissioner Ddue. Roll call.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. Commissioner Ddue? Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Chari? Yes.
Commissioner Mor Votes? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve the 20 25 20 26 playing department
budget that has been approved.
Item item 11, system participation.
There's anyone would like to speak on this item?
I'd like to speak. You have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none. Uh, item number 12, planning commission,
business 12 a Planning director's report.
Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Uh, this is some of the meetings mostly that, uh, attended,
uh, since December, uh, ninth, uh, leading up to,
uh, tonight's meeting.
But, um, we had a meeting with, um, uh, the owner
of, uh, the M 97, uh,
location on Gross Spec.
That's 2 26. Uh, how is it? Frank Yusef?
That's 26 3 95 Gross Spec.
Uh, to take a look at, uh, their site.
They, they like to change things around
about every three years, it seems.
Mm-hmm. And then they wanna do that again.
So, uh, we're working with them.
They'll come through site plan approval to, uh, change it.
Uh, I'd say the main thing, aside from changes to
where the storage is at, uh, they're looking
to sell a few more.
Some, some used cars up in front.
So we'll see how that goes.
Once it, uh, comes to, uh, the planning commission.
Uh, I commit, I attended, that's on December 9th.
On Monday, I attended, uh, a, uh,
committee the whole meeting along with, uh, Michelle.
And this all had to do with the, uh, village,
historic District ordinance that's been, uh,
out there for a while, so to speak.
They finally, they being city council, finally got around
to, um, of, uh, having
a hearing, uh, along with, uh, Laura Sullivan, who's the,
actually the architect of that, that piece of work.
And that was a lot of work.
But, um, they, uh, over, you know,
after some, uh, discussion, uh, they received it quite well
during, uh, that, uh, that committee, the whole meeting.
And, uh, as a result, uh, of how positive, uh,
they felt about it, it is on the agenda
for tomorrow night's, uh, city council meeting.
Um, and, um,
And it's on, excuse me,
I had a little lapse there on the consent agenda, which is,
uh, the second reading.
So that's, that's how positive they, they feel about it.
It's, uh, an overall, uh, type of an approval.
So, uh, what that does is, is create actually, it, um,
it repeals what we have
and replaces it with a village, historic district, uh,
ordinance, uh, conforms with, uh, the state regulations.
Uh, it will, uh, make it possible for the city
to apply, uh, to become a certified local government,
uh, otherwise known as CLG designation.
And that helps us, uh, apply.
We have the opportunity now, or will have
after we have applied for that, uh, to receive grants
and other types of funding for our historic districts,
which, uh, has been quite lacking.
And, uh, we hope to, uh, you know, improve things,
uh, in the village and perhaps in, uh, in the future.
Other areas, uh, throughout the city.
It won't be just the village,
it'll be other areas throughout the city that may turn out
to be, uh, districts.
Uh, so that was pretty important.
And like I said, it's on, uh, tomorrow night's, uh, meeting.
Um, on the 10th I had a meeting with, uh,
Tom Bato and others,
and a representative, uh, from mdo,
a transportation planner.
They took a look at, uh, our Van D**e corridor plan.
And, um, it usually, they, they end up,
um, not being too much in support
of plans like that, where you, you take a state road
and then you transform it into
what we think it should be in a downtown area.
And, uh, that's the South end downtown, so to speak.
And, uh, this Van D**e corridor plan runs from
Stevens to Eight Mile.
You've heard of it. And, uh, as a matter of fact,
it went past this board and moved on to city Council.
Uh, so anyway, uh, had a good meeting there.
Um, and we'll be talking to those people along with,
uh, uh, Mr.
Bato, uh, for, uh, again, looking
for grants and funding, uh, to make, uh, these, uh, uh,
improvements that will make such a difference in what
that area is gonna be in the future.
Uh, I, that's December 10th.
And so then on the 10th last week, uh,
I attended the city council meeting
and the standard rezoning, uh, to replace that, uh,
continental trailer park that, uh,
you people approved, are recommended
for an approval for rezoning.
They also approved fantastic.
It's for multi-family housing,
over 300 units.
And boy do we need it in this town.
It helps us get closer to provide, uh, housing
for people in the area.
And, uh, it's a fantastic thing.
So they, they went ahead and approved that,
and that was one of 'em.
And then they also approved the rezoning
with conditions.
It started here as a, just a standard rezoning,
and that's the, what I call the triangle on Shaner.
Uh, and, and, uh, industrial Highway.
Well, actually it's across from Myers down on Shaner.
That's a better way to imagine it.
So, and that turned out to be a development, uh,
with conditions.
And this will come back for site plan approval, of course.
Same with the, the previous one I mentioned.
And it's a multiple, uh, dwelling development.
Again, 20 nice, uh, dwellings, uh, looks good,
lots of landscaping, all that type.
Just nothing but the best. So we're real happy about that.
In order to make that plan work, they also had to
approve the vacation of a part of the right of way along
Industrial Highway.
It, it just so happens that was, uh, platted really wide
industrial highway.
Sounds big, you know, sort of like gross back or,
and the width was wider for some reason.
I think they thought there was gonna be another highway
on, on an angle.
Uh, it didn't go too far. Left with lot of right of way.
They got approval to take the West 30 feet
of that right of way.
It has no effect on the existing, um, uh,
excuse me, roadway that's there.
And, uh, so there's plenty of room
and it, it helps, uh, expand that site so
that it works really well.
So that, that was at that city council meeting.
And, um, December 11th, uh,
let's see the following.
That's the following. This is three nights in a row.
And, uh, Michelle got to get in on that one too,
but it was the, um, active mobility plan.
It was the presentation and,
and she's nodding her head over there.
Mahmuda is 'cause she attended it.
And, uh, it was a nice small gathering.
I do wish it would've been larger,
but, uh, we advertised it as much as we possibly could have,
sort of, you know, going on phones and calling people.
But, um, that was at the Burnett, uh, library.
That was from six to eight.
And, uh, the other people that, uh, we had the council,
as a matter of fact, councilman, he was there with uh,
melody, uh, McGee and, uh, and others.
So, uh, a lot of good discussion, uh, in, in the meanwhile.
So that, that was a good meeting.
Um, on the 12th
there was a meeting with the mayor in the
mayor's office and we, we were discussing some, uh,
major concerns with, uh, the cannabis growing facilities
in town, and especially the grows
because there's been a little change in how they look at,
at, at growing, uh, uh, cannabis.
And, uh, they and, uh, some, some legal powers seem to think
that it has to do with agriculture.
Now, that's about as far as I'm gonna go with this.
Uh, we're wrestling with it in our zoning ordinance and,
and, um, uh, I think there'll be more to come when it comes
to where everything is at, uh, regarding, uh, the whole
cannabis industry in this town.
And, uh, so we'll, we'll, we'll see what we're gonna do.
Uh, I think we need more site plan approval
for these locations
and, uh, to be nail nail 'em down, uh, a lot better.
Uh, on the 16th that was today, uh,
met in the mayor's office, had normal meeting
and then went to the tree ordinance, uh, that, uh,
we've been again wrestling with.
And, uh, the mayor has taken an active interest in
this particular thing.
And, uh, I greatly appreciate that.
Uh, she has a good incentive, uh, and,
and, uh, good thoughts, uh, regarding it all.
But, uh, we're still working on this tree ordinance
and, uh, commissioner,
or not Commissioner, city, Councilman Nunan, uh,
has also had a great hand in this particular thing,
but this was an internal meeting, uh, that we had.
And so we're moving forward with that.
And so, uh, with that, those are the highlights of some
of the meetings, uh, that I attended and what we're doing.
Thank you, Mr. Wirth. Does
anybody have any questions for Mr. Wirth?
Mr. Chairman, of course.
Um, two things you mentioned the, uh,
van D**e corridor from eight Mile to Stevens,
that's the TFA corridor.
So has TFA been working on this also, or,
Absolutely. It's their
plan.
Okay. Well I'm glad to hear
that they're involved, let's put it that way.
Uh, and when you mention funding, are we,
we're still getting CDBG funding, aren't we?
Uh, are we gonna continue getting that funding
for any development in the historic
district or any place else?
Um, that, that's a,
I don't want to throw you under the bus, Michelle.
No, no, no. Michelle attends the TFA
meeting. Uh, she could
Maybe, oh, please accept my condolences.
So, I'm sorry, what was the question?
Uh, uh, the tif a meeting from TFA area from eight Mile
to Stevens are, are they able to use CDBG funding there
and or the historical district?
Well, we don't administer those, the black grant funding.
So I know that they use them in certain areas of the city.
Right. But they're primarily in the south side of Warren.
I'm, that's what I'm familiar with,
but, um, it's for, from what I gather, it's mostly
for residential rehabs.
That's what the black grant funding has been for.
Okay. So, Yeah.
Well, are they doing some of
that in the historic district?
So are you referring to
Go the, the northern part of the city or in the
Southern? In the northern, well,
the northern part of the city
for the historical business.
I'm not familiar with that. I'm, from what I am,
I have heard it's primarily in the south end of the
City. All right, fair enough.
Who's administering the
CDBG funding now?
'cause it used to be out of planning.
No, it's, it's a separate department.
The Community Development Block grant program.
I mean, Tom Ba Marto is the Economic development Director.
Okay. So he heads it, but there are other staff in
that department that administer it.
Alright, that's what I want to know. Thank you Mr.
Chair and thank you. Doing a nice job. You're
Welcome. Any other
questions? Also, don't forget that, um,
town hall meeting I mentioned last time on the 18th.
There's a, um,
gonna be a presentation at City Hall on the first floor
on the 18th from 10 to 12.
And then in that evening,
the same presentation at the Burnout
Library from six to eight.
So
Both of those are on the 18th. Michelle?
It's the town center. It's the town center.
The economic development one. I mentioned it at the last,
um, the last, um, planning commission meeting. So
The Burnett Center would be between six and eight.
Yes. The one at the Burnett Library.
We can email the, the flyer to you if we haven't yet, so.
Alright. Okay.
Alright. Thank you. You're Welcome.
Any other questions for our director?
Seeing none, item 12 B
Unless true chairman, I'd like to take a moment
to wish this entire board and the planning department
and everybody involved the very happiest
and healthiest of Christmas holidays
and whatever other holidays that people, uh, celebrate.
And a very, very happy, healthy, and blessed New Year.
Thank you.
Commissioner Duhe. Yeah, he used stole my thunder.
You always take the words outta my
mouth. I was gonna say all that
And well,
I guess I was gonna take the words two. Say it again.
Discussion and concerns.
And I was going to say that
and then you said everything I was gonna say. So,
And I guess he stole my thunder too,
But there's one other thing I need to add also.
Um, I didn't recognize the ex officio comm councilman Nunan.
'cause he's hiding behind his screen down there
and I couldn't see it that far.
So, well thank him for being here this evening
and like I say, I want to thank all the commissioners
for the great job you've done this year.
And I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas, happy New Year
and for any other holiday that you celebrate
and stay safe, healthy, and have a good time.
And finish, finish out this year and start new next year.
Not too good a time. Yeah,
We wanna see everybody here next year
As good. A time as you want
to have is fine.
No limitations on how good a time you can
have any other discussion.
Item number 14. Need a motion to adjourn.
I make a motion to adjourn heartily
Support.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi Support
by Commissioner Acki.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Happy New Year.
Happy Holidays. Thank.