Good evening.
I'd like to call the order a regular meeting
of the zoning Board of appeals on Wednesday,
February 12th at 7:30 PM Please
rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance, allegiance
To the flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands.
Stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty.
Liberty, and justice. For all. For all.
Roll call.
Mr. Perry. Present. Mr. Lindsay. Present. Mr.
Cliff Present. Mr. Higgins Present.
Mr. Sovich is absent.
Mr. England Here one last time.
We're glad you are. Mr. Watts is absent. Mr.
Assessor present. Mr. Jersey's present. Chairman Aya.
Present. Mr.
Chair, I'd like to make a motion to excuse Mr. Wat, Mr. Mr.
Ms. Um, they contact us and, um, support.
We have a motion by Secretary Jersey.
Support by Mr. Perry to excuse Mr. Mr.
And Mr. Watts All in favor a
Aye, They're excused.
This brings us to the adoption of the agenda tonight.
I don't believe there's any changes,
but I do wanna make an announcement to the audience.
Uh, there are several items tonight that are use variances,
unlike a regular variance, a use variance,
which are items six, 15
and 16, require six yes votes instead of five.
We're down, uh, two members tonight,
which puts you at a slight disadvantage.
So anyone that's here on items six, 15
or 16, we're gonna give you the option to, to table
to our next meeting, which would be on March.
March 12th. 12th, March 12th.
Would anyone like to table? Okay.
I'm not seeing anyone. I don't believe there's any
changes to the agenda tonight. Can we get a
Mr. Mo? Uh, Mr. Chair?
I'd like to make a motion
to adopt the agenda as written support.
We have a sec, a motion by Secretary Jersey.
Support by Mr. Englin to adopt the agenda as written.
All in favor? Aye. The agenda has been adopted.
This brings us to item five, the approval
of the regular meeting minutes of November 13th.
Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to, um,
approve the regular meeting minutes
for November 13th, 2024. Support. Support.
We have a motion by Secretary Jersey, support by Mr.
Cliff to approve the regular meeting minutes
of November 13th.
All in favor? Aye. Aye.
The November 13th minutes have been approved.
This brings us to the approval
of the December 11th, 2024 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion
to approve the meeting minutes
for December 11th, 2024 support.
We have a motion by Mr.
Cliff support, uh, by Mr. Perry to approve the
December 11th, 2024 minutes.
All in favor? Aye. Aye.
The December minutes have been approved.
This brings us to the approval
of the January 8th meeting minutes. Mr.
Chairman, I'd like the table approval
of January 8th minutes for review.
Yeah, I think they went out this, this morning,
but I, I have not looked at 'em.
You have, we won't table till March.
We have a support. Support.
We have a motion by Mr.
Cliff, support by Secretary Jersey to table the approval
of the January 8th minutes to our next meeting.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. They have been.
This brings us to item six.
Item six. Applicant, MMC Management,
LLC represented Michael Campbell.
Common description, 3010 mile variances requested permission
to allow above ground fuel storage in an M two district
and within 48 feet of the east property line,
84 feet from the West property line
and 146 feet six inches from the north.
Good evening. Oh, I'm sorry.
Your microphone's off. I turned it on.
Does it work now? Alright, good.
Your name and address for the record, please.
Uh, Michael Campbell, 3000 East 10 model.
Thank you. Welcome back. Thank you.
Uh, we see, uh, that you're back
and that you have attached some additional
documentation in your
Petition. Yeah. La last time I
was here December, uh, 11th, uh,
you had asked to get the, uh, approval from the fire marshal
and I did have a meeting with the fire marshal
and I had a representative from the state of Michigan, uh,
licensing and that handles the storage tanks.
Uh, and you should have in front
of you a approval from the fire marshal approving, uh,
the placement of the tanks.
Yes, it did come through. Yes, we do
See that. Yep. Thank
you. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience
that wishes to speak on this item?
Not seeing anyone. I closed the public portion
of the meeting and turn it over to the board for discussion.
I would like, uh, secretary Jersey to, uh,
read one memo in from, uh, one
of the city departments here into the record.
Um, so the, the planning department actually, um,
in a nutshell, just, you know,
it's an impact statement from the planning department
who they found, uh, no issues were found
to impact the abutting local
and general public, um, with this project.
Thank you. At this time, I'll turn it over
to the board for discussion.
Um, I believe I remember the gentleman
here a couple weeks ago.
Uh, we asked for that letter and I, I see it in the packet.
It meets my approval.
Are there any other comments or questions to the petitioner?
Nobody else has anything else.
I'd like to make a motion to, uh, grant the petitioner, um,
permission to allow the
above ground fuel storage on an M two district
and within 48 feet of the east property line,
and 84 feet from the West property line,
and 146 feet six inches from the north due
to the fact the size and shape of the lot,
and it's not a detriment to the area support.
We have a motion by Secretary Jersey support by Mr. Perry
to approve the request as read
Mr. Jersey votes? Yes.
For the reason.
State of motion, Mr. Perry?
Yes. For the reason stated and a motion
Mr. Englin? Yes. For
the reason. State the motion. Mr. Lindsey?
Yes. For the reason stated the motion.
Mr. Cliff? No.
I believe it's, uh, self-imposed
and it's a detriment to the area.
Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Assessor?
Yes. For the reasons stated
In the motion and Chairman sfa?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion,
your request has been approved.
Thank you ladies, Devon. Thank you.
Thank this brings us to item seven.
Item seven, applicant Mohammad AB Buel.
Rob, representative Tamra tamu.
Coming description, 1 5 1 5 0 14 mile VARIS requested
permission to erect a new ground sign
with the following conditions.
1 22 feet in height from the grade of the beam.
Two set back eight feet,
four inches from the north property.
Line three with an eight foot under clearance.
4 133 square feet of ground signage.
Good evening. Good evening. My name is Tamara Tamu.
1 5 1 5 0 East 14 Mile Road.
Thank you. Thank you.
Um, so we resubmitted, uh, we tabled it last time
because it was too high
and we submitted actually a smaller sign as well.
We're just taking a look here.
Thank you for those comments. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience that would like
to speak on item seven?
There is just a, um, one memo
that we we're gonna read into the record
from the planning department.
Yeah, Mr. Chair. The, the planning department.
Um, after review of the crest,
the the following issues were found
to impact the abutting local, local, or general public.
Is the recommendation of the planning department
that the width and height of the petitioner's proposed
signage exceeds a size that is sufficient for this location.
The sign should be no wider than six feet with a height not
to exceed 20 feet from the ground level.
The under clearance of the sign should not be
below 10 feet from the ground.
This would significantly reduce the overall square footage
height under clearance and setback of the proposed sign.
So for reference, attached is the dimension plan
for the gas station at the Valero station at 11 55 50 13
mile, which everybody should have also in their packets.
Um, if not, I could pass it around.
Um, It says, um,
the approved Valero sign is significantly smaller than
what the petitioner's requesting meets Valero signage needs
in similar location
to the petitioner did not require variances
for their overall square footage, which is 54.49 square feet
or height of the sign 19 feet.
The petitioner should consider Valero sign as an example of
how to effectively modify the proposed signage.
That's all. Thank you.
At this time, I'll close the public portion of the meeting
and turn it over to the board for discussion.
Mr. Chair, Mr. England.
I personally think the sign is too tall.
I don't necessarily have a problem
with an eight foot under view instead of a 10.
I don't think the sign should be taller than 20 feet.
And with that corner lot like that P
one moment, it's five feet, it's 10 feet.
The, the width of that
at nine foot six, I'm willing
to say it could be eight feet.
So 20 foot would be the height in my opinion.
Eight feet would be the width.
And if you take an eight foot width, compared to most
of the signs that we've approved
and worn for the widths, they've been more than capable
to put regular And rotate
regular gas reg cash, regular credit,
and they float that in the one section.
So by eliminating that extra two feet top,
they could eliminate one of these panel signs
and just do cash, regular cash regular.
But I think we, we've actually been very lenient on allowing
larger, or maintaining, let me not say allowing,
but maintaining larger signs that's been part
of the city for years.
Mm-hmm. Where at some point we had the, the opportunity
to limit that large sign and force the issue to be shorter
and we really didn't.
And I think we have to start taking our a stand at some
point because everybody wants to push
that signage just a little bit more and a little bit more.
And that's what we're here for, is to evaluate the area
to see what it really needs to,
I don't think the area needs a 22 foot high sign,
9.6 feet wide.
Mr. Did you have a comment you'd like to make?
Yes. Um, the petitioner submitted new renderings.
I thought they were submitted to you as a 20 foot high.
240 foot height
or 240 inch tall.
So 20 feet tall with the eight foot under clearance.
I don't have That. And we're not seeing that.
It looks like it's the same image on both the
original and the revised.
Yes. So they have reduced it.
Petitioner's given a copy right now for you guys
to look at quickly, then I'll, so
that might change some of your comments. So, and
It, and it just might, I'll back off of what I just said
and let me see what the new evidence is on it.
That's great. I was surprised that you were coming back
with something over 20 feet.
That's Yeah. Why?
My opinion was that
because to my recollection,
and if I'm not correct, if one
of the board members would tell me, we did discuss it
to be about to be at 20 feet.
So we kind of insinuated that if it came
that we would approve that. Correct.
That's Problem was the berm too.
You and the, with the berm, you add that three foot.
Yeah, it's what the sign actually over, over grade
is over 20 feet. Oh, just
My notes also indicate the size of the sign goes
to 84 square feet.
84 square foot. 80 square square, square feet. Yeah.
But what was his f This is a little wider
than I was thinking.
Eight foot.
Yeah. Yeah, it's 50 55.
The sample that they're giving us from the planning
department is 55 square feet.
This pretty much covers exactly what we stated.
I think it's a little wider than
what we said, but it's inches.
And so I'll retract my first
comments with the new evidence that I have in front of me.
And I will sit here and be quiet for a minute.
Chuck. Uh, just, just to clarify something, we actually
reduced the, uh, the size of the sign, uh, from
what we had last time,
and we reduced the square footage of the sign
because it, it could, if you,
if we would've kept it the same width, uh, it would,
it would not, it would look awkward.
You know, the signs wouldn't look, look right.
They have to look consistent, you know.
Um, so that's the reason why we did that.
And then there's a 12 inch spot, right?
Uh, who, if you look at the picture, there's a 12 inch right
above the, above the reader board, uh,
underneath the liquor, which is for Roki chicken and pizza.
Okay. That's the spot for them.
I don't have it, but we, we cannot show it
because at that, at that time,
we didn't have their CFC, but now we do. Okay.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I don't have a problem with it.
I, I think it's nicely done.
Thank you. Um,
and it's only, it's only, uh, 84, 84 square feet.
Mr. Chair, real quick. Um, the one thing I'd like
to ask the petitioner, I see you have a LED um,
display on that.
And, um, you know, I talked to Steve
before the meeting about how LEDs in this town
are starting to get too bright.
Um, so I would hope that you would maintain the,
the brightness to, to the levels within the ordinance
as well of, you know, the adhering
to the two, the two wick rule.
So each one, each picture see change like every between 10
to 15 seconds.
No, no flashing.
I know the zoning is not, they're not allowed flashing.
And the bright we have, so we can control,
so you can control between like 500 lumen hundred, 5,500.
So we contract like every, every day by the weather,
or we contract by manual or automatic.
My, my thing is just, you know, sometimes the backdrop,
I mean, you have four or five displays in around town.
It seems like three of 'em are good and then one hits you
and it's got the, like a white, white background
and all of a sudden it's blinding.
And I, I just don't, I I think that would
No, for me, I make it max like 4,000 domain.
So to be Bri, I
Will give you the ordinance.
Yes. And you'll make it with
The ordinance. Oh, you'll, and, and
Just because you spoke your,
your name and address for the record,
Please. Mohammad Abbu.
Rob 3 3 0 4 member Drive,
Absilant, Michigan. Okay.
Thank you. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank
You, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Ringland, are you gonna make a motion?
Well, I will, once I make clear, clear this up
and make sure I read it properly,
we're gonna change the 22 foot high and height to 20 feet.
Yep. Is the setback the same eight feet,
four inches from the north property
line as it was last time?
Yes. And then the width of the under clearance,
I don't have an objection to eight feet
and the square footage has changed.
Do we have a
84 80?
84. 84.
So I'm gonna read it as 84 square feet
of ground signage. 84 square
Feet of ground signage, right?
Yes. 84. Yeah.
Okay. Okay. I'd like to make a motion.
I'd like to make a motion to give permission
to erect a new ground sign with the following conditions.
One 20 foot in height from the grade
of the berm, excuse me.
Two setback, eight feet,
four inches from the north property.
Line three with an eight foot under clearance,
4 84 square feet of ground coverage due
to the size and shape of the lot.
And I don't feel it's detriment to the area board support.
We have a motion by Mr.
Und, support by Mr. Higgins to approve the request
as revised.
Mr. Englin? Yes. For The reason stated in the motion
Mr. Higgins?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion Mr. Perry?
Yes. For the reinstated in the motion
Mr. Lindsay? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr.
Cliff? Yes. For the Reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Assessor? Yes. For the reason stated in the motion
Mr. Jersey votes? Yes.
For the reason
stated motion Chairman Sefa?
Yes. For the reasons stated of the motion,
your request has been approved.
Thank you. I, I, I need some clarification.
Sure. Mr. Pont will
He'll guide you. He
will guide you with your next steps. Okay.
I I I'm sorry, just you mentioned the berm.
Is it from the top of the berm?
20 feet or from the top of the sidewalk? 20 feet
The right way. I,
Mr. Chairman, any any comment please?
The way I read it is from the top of the berm.
That's what I heard. That's, I just want to
Clarify. 20 feet, because the original time
you requested 22 feet
from the top of the berm,
Correct? That's
correct. Mm-hmm. So top of the berm. Okay. Got it.
You got it. Thank you very much. Thank you.
It's sending that Back down. There you go. Back down.
This brings us to item eight.
Item eight. Applicant Nathaniel Moody,
representative Nathaniel Muy.
I Description 3 2 6 1 7.
Dover variance is requested permission
to one retain a 12 foot by 12 foot, 144 square foot,
oversized gazebo on the side yard setback not
behind the building lines of the principal building,
and not placed against any other accessory structure
to retain an eight foot by 12 foot 96 square foot shed.
Both of the above requests are in addition
to an existing 13 foot by 21 foot, 273 square foot,
attached covered patio, and a 26 foot
by 24 foot detached garage for an overall total
of 1,137 square feet of accessory structure floor area.
Good evening. Good evening.
Um, I'm Nate Moody at 3 2 6 1 7 Dover Avenue.
Thank you. Please tell us about your request.
Um, I, uh, got this gazebo from my, uh,
late grandfather when I moved in at 2019.
Um, it was a, uh, Costco gazebo.
And, um, I be honest,
I didn't know about resorting ordinances at the time, so I,
um, put it at the only place possible in my yard,
which was my side of my house.
Um, I cannot fit it directly
behind my house, not enough space.
And there's a, um, uh, electrical line right above my, um,
yard and, uh, to the back of my house.
There's not enough space, so I'm asking
to keep the gazebo where it is, if possible.
And, um, for the shed, I am would,
I would move it from the side
of my garage to the back of my garage.
I'm gonna put a, uh, cement, uh, slab underneath it
and, um, put the shed, um, attached to the garage
as shown on the diagram.
Thank you for those comments.
Do you have anything else you'd like to add? Um,
I don't think so.
Okay. No problem. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience who would like
to speak on item eight?
I'm not seeing anyone, but there is, uh, a summary
of a call from, uh, the counsel office.
It will be read into the, into the record.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
It's, um, from a Rosalyn Garwood
who resides at 3 2 6 7 2 Dover.
Um, she states there's nothing she would be up against if
people took care of their property.
This man does not take care of it.
Garbage cans left out in the street grass growing high.
She doesn't think they are there that much.
Some hut sticks way above the white fence.
Halloween decorations left laying out there.
Yard is not that big to put more stuff in it.
Property not being maintained properly.
She wouldn't stop anybody who keeps up their property.
But more stuff on that corner lot is not good.
That, that's all I have.
Thank you. At this time, I'll close the public portion
of the meeting and turn it over to the board for discussion.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. England,
Is the patio enclosed that's up there right now
or is it just an awning?
Uh, it, it, it's a roof with four posts, just an awning.
Think it's called pavilion technically.
And the gazebo is one
of those collapsible put up put down type things
or is it a PREMANUFACTURED type? It,
It's 2000 pounds.
It's purchased from, uh, Costco.
It's just pre-made and we set it up.
So once it sets up,
it pretty well has to pretty well stay up.
It's not one of those you can take down,
uh, go back up when you need it.
Like some of these tents in that, uh, no,
It's not.
Now my other question is,
and I'm not sure, Steve, if you could answer this, does
that gazebo have to have at that point
a cement pad underneath that?
Uh, there is a cement pad on there
with our rat wall underneath it.
Yes, it does have a cement wall. The rat wall. Yeah.
A cement lower the wrap. So
The answer is still is Yes, it does require it.
Thank you. Every chance
you get, Steve. Thanks.
Thanks Steve. Um,
I've never liked to dictate
or come across with people doing
reasonable things to their property.
I do know, sir, that if your property is anything like this
lady says, I wouldn't be pleased
to be living on that street.
I, I So, and I understand you. How long ago did you buy it?
I, I bought it in 2019
and I, I think I take care of it pretty well and, sorry.
Okay. And that was just,
and again, that was just a comment of mine.
Yeah. That, and if it has that, please try
to fix the problem so
that neighbors get along and would be great.
I would do that. Thank you. Thank you.
And I don't, but I don't, you know, it's a gazebo,
it's an open air, doesn't have walls.
It's got six or eight posts.
I don't see any trees on this property at all. Mm-hmm.
Uh, I did have one and I took it down myself.
Um, so there's no trees on the property. Yeah.
So, you know, you got no shade.
I don't have an objection to it. Is
The, is the yard fenced in? Yeah, it's a,
The yard is with a privacy eight foot tall fence.
Okay. So this drawing that you did,
the white indicates the,
The white line is the, um, is the fence Okay. It's got
White privacy fence all the around.
Yeah. It's like the vinyl one. You can't, I
Don't have a problem with it. Purse
the corner. Lots are unusual in the sense
that their side yard is really the backyard,
but you gotta block the view from the street.
Um, and, and I firmly believe
that's the reason we have this board is to
evaluate individual situations.
Because just a blanket code that does this is the way it is,
does not fit every single predicament. Sure.
This is one of those unique ones. Yes. Mm-hmm.
So I have no problem with it. Mr.
Cliff, I'd like to address the shed
and I was reading through the packet,
so forgive me if I missed this.
Somewhere along the line, um,
shed's on a concrete pad or the
Rail the shed is a, um, movable shed,
and I can move it anywhere or remove it if needed.
I, that was, I, I, I buy a lot of Halloween decorations.
I put everything in that shed.
Um, I just stand enough storage in my house for it.
So I, I, um,
I can move it anywhere needed if needed or I can get rid of it.
I think he said in the packet too, like he was gonna,
he was willing to put up a rat wall
for the shed if we moved it behind the,
which is he's gonna have to, so, so
It'll go up under permit?
Yeah, he's gonna have to, yeah.
I'll Do under permit If needed.
Okay. That's all I needed
to know. Thank
You. I appreciate it. Permit was
issued
because of the extenuating circumstances
until variance is granted
for everything, and then Fair enough. It'll have to comply.
As long as it's got a rat wall under it like it's supposed
to have, I don't have a problem with it.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. And thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Englin,
If no other board members have any
questions, I'd like to make a motion.
Please do. I'd like to make a motion
to give permission to retain a 12 foot by 12 foot,
144 square foot,
oversized gazebo in a side yard setback not
behind the building lines of the principal building
and not placed against any other accessory structure.
Two, retain a eight foot by 12 foot, 96
square foot shed.
These items will be built in complacent
with the city building department,
and permits will be pulled, uh, for the fact
that I don't feel it's a detriment to the area size
and shape of the lot and it being a
corner lot to begin with. Support. Thank you.
A motion by Mr. England.
Support by Secretary Jersey
to approve the item is presented.
Mr. Englin? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr.
Jersey votes? Yes. For the reason stated in the motion.
Mr. Perry? Yes. For the reinstated in the motion.
Mr. Lindsay? Yes. For
The reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Cliff?
Yes. For the reasons Stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Assessor?
Yes. For the reasons stated in
The motion Chairman sfa?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion
request has been approved.
Thank you. Thank you. This
brings us to item nine.
Item nine. Applicant Abdullah Abraham Hamma. Yep.
Representative Abdullah Ibraham dama.
Common description, 2 7 1 1 4.
ClearPoint brings his requested permission
to construct a nine foot by 18 foot,
162 square foot oversized accessory structure
beyond the side building lines of the principal building
and the lot existing shed to be removed.
Good evening. Good evening. If
You could start with your name and address, please.
Yeah. Abdullah dama. 2 7 1 1 4 Clark Point Drive.
Warren, 4 8 0 8 8.
Thank you. Please tell us about your request.
I'm sorry. Please tell us about your request.
My request, I have a small shed.
I tried to make a big shed
and that's why I applied for it.
You know it? Yep.
Okay. Let's see.
Is there anything you'd like to add
before we turn it over to the board?
Can he help me out? Please
Talk. Sure. Just start
with your name and address. Yes.
My name is Reko, which I reside at 3 5 6 0 Melton Street,
Shelby Township, Michigan, 4 8 3 1 7 zip code.
Thank you. And your comments?
Uh, basically what this is, is a replacement shed
for a current shed in good standing, which is 10 by 10.
Right now, we are requesting to build a bit
of a bigger shed in the same location.
It's also going to be sitting on a, uh, 20 by 10
slab with a 24 inch, four inch thick rat wall on it.
It's behind a current garage,
and it does not impede any easements
or any surrounding area or surrounding properties.
Okay. Very good. Any other comments?
Not at the moment, unless there are some questions. Okay.
Thank you. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience
that wishes to speak on this item?
I'm not seeing anyone in the audience,
but there's a couple, uh, letters to read into the record.
Um, first off, um, the planning department, um,
is an impact statement on this agenda item.
And they found no issues.
Um, were found to impact the budding
local or general public.
We have, uh, three emails here from
looks like residents, Mr.
Chair. Um, the first one is from, uh, Barbara
and Merrick Greico.
Um, I said this is in regards to a notice of public hearing.
Um, first off, the so-called shed is a pigeon coop.
We are told that this coop would be for Mr.
Dam's, personal pet pigeons,
which in reality turned into a business.
Yes, Mr. Damas pets are housed, cared for,
and sold from this coop.
After numerous phone calls to many city agencies
and departments, we learned it was legal for him
to have the, his pets of, of choice,
and the so-called pets were his actual pets.
Also, we were told this would not be a business
and no selling of his pets would be done.
So not true. This, since the original shed was built,
it had, has indeed become a business of selling his pets.
Some of the things happening around the neighborhood
because of this so-called shed are as follows.
The smell of the shed is at times unbearable.
We find it at times so unbearable.
We do not enjoy using our backyard
or going into going to the neighbor's house
for a swim in the, in his pool.
The rodent population has grown over the years from,
from his, from the shed.
The amount of vehicles up
and down the street has also grown.
Even though Mr. Dam Dama is not supposed
to be selling his quote unquote pets.
Us neighbors have have seen many people walking to Mr.
Dama home, empty handed, walking out
with various crates, with pigeons in them.
The hawk, the city, lets fly around to help control rodents
and pigeon population is also something we watch out for.
Due to the numerous pigeons, feathers,
and carcasses left behind in our yards.
And the flying of the pigeons is also a headache for us.
Due to the loud clapping, yelling,
and pigeons everywhere, it is our understanding that Mr.
De has all poured the cement for the foundation of the shed.
He has made it very clear to other neighbors
that he has only given a certain square footage to pour
and has intentionally poured,
intentionally poured the cement foundation bigger
because he wants the shed bigger than
and does not care what the city says.
We believe that the existing shed is far more than we need
and want to, and want to put up with.
Therefore, we would like the board
to vote against this variance, um, to be allowed.
So that's the first one.
Second one is from Debra El Siad,
who resides at 2 7 1 2 7 ClearPoint.
Um, she states she received the notice, um, um,
for the meeting she was planning to attend,
but something prevented her from attending.
She lives across the street from set address.
I am opposed to this plan.
The homeowner raises homing pigeons and sells them.
I'm, I'm unable to park my car on the street
because when the birds are out in training,
they leave quite a mess on, on my car.
When the wind is blowing from the east, the smell from the,
the smell from the current pigeon coops is overwhelming.
I really don't want a larger storage area
for even more pigeons.
My understanding is that he has already laid the foundation
for the structure anticipating approval at this meeting.
I also understand that he has stated
that these pigeons are pets.
I do not believe this to be true.
Cars come and go from this house always leaving
with small boxes that I assume are pigeons.
The owner did, did tell a neighbor
that when he is unselling pigeons,
that he would then just use the larger structure as a shed.
And then the last one is from a Frank and Cheryl Bowery.
Um, she says this is regard to structure.
We're not in favor of the structure.
He raises pigeons in the ex existing structure
and wants to enlarge it.
These pigeons are sold regularly as we've witnessed and gave
and gave and have been told Abe himself.
We had carcasses
of these pigeons several times in our yard due to the hawk,
the city has in our neighborhood to control rats
and from business, business' garbage
has released them to fly.
When, when we
and other neighbors have gatherings in our yards over the
years, and the clapping and whistling,
calling them back can be very annoying.
The smell and the summer can be bad.
Many of the neighbors feel the same way as we do.
I'm asking you to consider not
allowing this large structure.
That's all I have. Mr. Chair
Behind this guy.
Thank you. At this time, I'll turn it over
to the board for discussion.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Cliff?
Uh, I, I guess I'm,
I guess I have to ask the petitioner why he didn't come
before us, stating what this structure actually is if,
as opposed to if calling it a shed.
If I may, there is a document
that the board should have in front of themselves, uh,
that does state actually in a pretty
close detail what this is used for
and why we are requesting on extension. Okay.
My problem is, is Warren Mu Warren municipal code
chapter seven, article one
seven dash section seven dash two.
When I'm reading through that, um, it seems
to me that this action
of keeping pigeons in a residential neighborhood
is against city ordinance from the get-go.
And I'll defer to the city attorney representative on the
Diaz tonight to maybe review that.
So we can discuss that a little further.
But I'll read a couple of excerpts outta here.
Uh, section seven dash two A, it shall be unlawful
for any person to keep house or maintain any animal
or bees within 300 feet of any dwelling store alley
or public place, except such animals that are commonly kept
as household pets
or validly permitted chickens pursuant
to section seven dash 11 of the chapter.
It will also be un unlawful to maintain any animal
or foul so as to create,
create an unsanitary condition or owner.
Several of the letters that we received this evening
that were read into the record seem to reflect
that condition existing at this property.
Uh, section C, it shall be unlawful
to keep any animal or fall, which by causing frequent
or long cont continued noise
to disturb the comfort
and repose of any person in the vicinity.
And Section D violation
of this section constitutes a misdemeanor,
is declared a public nuisance, animal control,
police code enforcement, et cetera.
I have the authority to impound such animals.
So I have a hard time supporting this request based on
what I'm reading in the ordinance, shy of any
permit from a government
or city official, allowing the condition
or allow, allowing the, the raising
of pigeons on residential property
in violation of the ordinance.
And with that, I'll yield the floor.
Mr. Chairman. Mr. Eng?
Sir, how many pigeons do you have on a normal basis?
I have 81. 81.
Yeah. Because when I make a purchase for the, I mean,
when I make a license for the, uh, shed,
and it's a certifi fire from the Health Department
of Macomb community, you know,
and they check it every three years.
When I renew the license, they came and check it.
And I'm gonna talk something right now.
Frank and Cheryl, they have shed behind their garage.
I think it's a 12 by 10, no cement,
no rat wolf, mark
and Barbara Zd, another shed, small shed, I think
seven by something out of permit. Mr. Chairman,
I don't think we should get into a He said she
We're here about your item tonight.
Item we're not Gonna
Talk about. They complain.
We're not gonna talk about your neighbor tonight.
We're here to talk about your item. Yeah. Okay.
I don't have problems with sheds when they're done. Right.
It looks like a very nice structure you're proposing,
but I'm not gonna allow a shed to be in your yard
to operate a business.
I'm not operating business here. This is my friend.
He's engineering. Okay. I met him with a vision club.
That's, and that's how I know him.
If, if I may, just a second.
If I, if I may, uh, what Mr.
Cliff, uh, read is all true, and we are all aware of that.
Uh, however, this shed,
when originally constructed the, the one that we are looking
to replace is licensed.
And the city of Warren is aware of what the usage
of the shed was.
Uh, McComb Health Department also approved, uh,
the usage and the, uh, the shed.
And the premise around that is inspected
and in good standing with both with Warren, uh,
building department as well as, uh, Warren,
uh, health Department.
As a matter of fact recently that just earlier this fall,
the most current inspection had taken place.
So all of it.
Do you, do you have any documentation to prove this,
Uh, with you?
You know, I, if I can jump in real, real quick,
I could even stipulate and say, I believe you.
Here's where, what's in front of us,
the variance for a bigger shed.
Mm-hmm. And here's what I'm gonna say is
that you've got a lot of neighbors who are not happy
with what's going on in the neighborhood.
And if you're looking for a variance,
if you want some neighbors who are in your corner,
your neighbors are not in your corner.
My position is, and my, my position is, is
that I am voting no on this.
And I don't know how much more back and forth we have to go.
Um, it's up to the board if we're ask any more questions.
But I will be, uh, in the no position.
And I look to do that, uh, quickly and move along
because, uh, and it seems very black and white.
And by the way, please don't talk unless you're addressed.
Thank you,
Mr. Chairman. Mr.
Englin, I'll agree with my colleague.
You know, my personally think there's enough discussion.
81 pigeons do do not seem like pets
when you've got that many.
So if anybody on the board wants to make a motion
One way or another, I'd like to interject here.
Yes. So, um, the petitioner's saying that he's,
he's sanctioned by somebody in authority
to keep his pigeons.
I, I'd be willing to make a motion to table this
to the next meeting and allow that documentation
to come forward and allow the board
to research city ordinances just a little bit closer
to see if there's, if, if, if he's legitimately licensed
to keep them right. Benefit of the doubt.
No, I'm stipulating I'm giving that to him.
I just don't want him to build a bigger one.
Yeah, that's what he's asking the variance for.
So I see where you're coming from, but I don't know.
I'm gonna make another trip back here
and say, yeah, you can do it legally,
but we're not gonna give you the variance anyways.
That's my position. I'm just curious.
That's all. I feel passionate about this.
The neighbors are not happy. I agree.
And it sounds like it's a war zone over there.
100%. And I don't like the fact
that it was presented as just a shed.
La la la and then these, these letters
or these items come up.
Um, and I'm not gonna make any assumptions
that maybe the petitioner felt that this was gonna kind
of go that way, that people were gonna say something.
But on the other side of the coin, I,
uh, I'd be willing to table it for a little more
to come forward to see if,
if it's actually a sanctioned activity
or not, and then decide.
You gonna try to make a motion to table,
You're, you're more than welcome to to try it.
To my opinion? No.
Just right off the bat, it's not necessary.
The property's not unique.
There's not much more that I, and I'll yield, I'll
Yield the need the floor.
Mr. Chairman,
Mr. Englin,
I would like to make a motion,
but I'll make a try to make a comment before that.
When people come in front of this board, they should have
with them the proper documentation to back up
what they're going to state.
So all these things were stated about state approvals,
disapprovals, but there is no backup documents to prove it.
So we can't pay attention to that. It's just hearsay.
I'm also not, not
and thrilled about having 81 pigeons next door to me.
So I'd have to put the neighbor's feelings in on site on
that too, saying that I'd like to make a motion.
I'd like to make a motion to deny
that all assess okay.
To deny construction of a nine foot by 18 foot,
162 square foot oversized accessory structure
behind the side, building lines of the principal,
building on the lot, exceeding existing shed to be removed,
uh, to deny
And your reasons, Reasons would be, uh,
size of the lot, size of the shed, um,
and detriment to area, uh, how do I phrase this?
Not, not necessary. Not necessary.
Um, this Madam Attorney self proposed.
Um, I, I don't believe that we need to expand
on more pigeons.
Support for denying, you know, is there I denied it.
I know. And I'm supporting that. Okay,
then I'll shut up. Thank you.
We have a motion to deny by Mr. Englin.
Support by I heard Mr. Higgins first. Uh, yes. Vote to deny
Mr. Englin.
Yes. To deny Mr. Higgins. Yes.
To deny Mr. Perry
Yes. To deny
Mr. Lindsay Yes.
To deny
Mr. Cliff.
Yes. To deny Mr. Assessor,
Yes. To deny
Mr. Jersey votes? Yes.
To deny Chairman Siah.
Yes. To deny. Unfortunately, your request has been denied.
Thank you.
This brings us to item 10.
Item 10, applicant Kasim Zahir,
representative Kasim Zahir or Kevin.
Description 1 1 4 1 5.
Irene, your answers requested permission
to retain widen portion
of concrete driveway in front setback six feet,
two inches from the east corner
of garage towards the east property line.
Good evening.
I wasn't identified as a representative, but
Yeah. Can you get closer,
actually for everybody tonight.
The closer to that microphone, the better.
Especially for, we didn't have it on initial
Even. So
Is it on now?
Yes. Okay, good. Uh, to state it, again,
my name is John Harrington.
I'm an attorney. I represent Mr. Zaher.
I'm the individual that submitted the application for Mr.
Zaher. I'm not sure why he wasn't identified on the agenda
as his representative, but if it's quite all right
for me to speak, uh, Mr.
Zhe is here as well.
But if he asked me to make the presentation this evening,
um, if I may go ahead then.
Uh, first of all,
If, if you could speak up, it's very hard to
Hear. I'm sorry,
Mr. Zaher,
he's been residing in his residence there at, on, um,
11 4 1 5 Irene
for 21 years since 2004.
And as we indicated in the application, uh,
the prior driveway that was in there was too narrow, uh,
getting even too narrow with, uh,
additional children getting cars
and more people driving this family.
Um, and as a result, uh,
because it was initially too, too narrow to put two cars
or park two cars in the driveway, uh,
it ended up people were parking on the, on the grass,
which certainly was not favorable
and was causing damage to the grass or for lot.
Um, and that was compounded by the fact that, uh,
the street became narrow.
Uh, the city narrowed the street for, uh,
I think they put in sewers about eight, 10 years ago.
And as a result, uh, they found
that the cars they were parked in the street in front
of the house was being hit by other cars and causing damage.
And so for a combination of those reasons, they decided
to go ahead and put in this extension
of approximately six feet on the outside portion
of the driveway, not realizing that they needed
to get permission from the city.
They did in fact contact a number of contractors
to, to put that in.
Uh, when my client had inquired about the need
to get permission, he was advised that it wasn't necessary.
Obviously that was wrong information
and later learned that it was necessary.
Uh, but, uh, it certainly, uh, it's been presented
and hopefully you have pictures.
I know we submitted pictures showing that it, uh,
the driveway is, um, it's aesthetically,
it looks well, there's no issues of problems
with the construction of it.
Uh, the neighbor immediately to the, uh, adjacent
to the property, immediately adjacent to the,
to the extended driveway, and Mr. William Marley Jr.
We had submitted his written statement where he indicated
that he had no objection to the, uh,
extension of the driveway.
And, uh, arguably he would be the one individual would be,
or a neighbor that would be impacted the most by this.
Uh, he had no objection to that.
So as a result, we're asking for, uh, a dimensional variance
to extend, to allow this ex the extension of the driveway,
approximately six feet to the outer edge of the property.
Uh, and, um, it would
otherwise, it's presents, I believe, a, a, uh, a,
a hardship upon my client to,
to have the driveway the way it was,
because, uh, the, essentially the two, the narrowness
of the driveway was too narrow to safely park two cars.
Uh, and as it was,
Thank you for those comments.
This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience
who would like to speak on this item?
Not seeing anyone. But before I close the public portion
of the meeting, there are a couple, uh, emails
to read into the record that can be summarized.
Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair.
Um, this comes from a,
it looks like a Kathy, Kathy Kennedy.
Um, assuming that you know
that the address uses their home
and our street as a used car lot, it is correct to say
that the widened area was done already without
a permit question mark.
Uh, neighbors have complained numerous times about the
number of cars brought into this property,
and both sides of the street buyers then arrive blocking the
street while they shop and pursue the different vehicles.
This has gone on for years.
I'm very happy that they are possibly making an attempt
to keep cars off the street,
but more likely it's not to bring in it,
it's to bring in more cars.
Does the east side neighbor object to the space
and cars running and being started feet
from their bedroom window?
If so, it has to go.
Um, this is does their used car lot.
Um, so, and then the other email is from a concerned
neighbor from 300 feet from the property.
Our concern is this is used for business purposes.
We have noticed the marketing
and changeover of many vehicles at this residence.
So based on this, we would not approve a variance
for more vehicle parking spaces. And that's all I have.
Thank you. At this time, I'll close the public portion
of the meeting and turn it over to the board for discussion.
Um, personally, I think that I have no problem
with the way the driveway's poured.
I, I guess the, Mr.
Eron will correct me if I'm wrong,
but we're really just here tonight
because of that little patch down by the sidewalk.
Isn't that apron correct? Yeah.
Uh, no. The apron we have no control over.
They'll need a permit from engineering for that.
The part, you're, the what is allowed
by the ordinance is the front yard,
you can have a driveway equal to the size of the garage.
Okay. And they've expanded that by, I believe,
six feet, two inches.
Okay. So that, that is what you are approving is
that six foot, two inches from the sidewalk
back to the garage.
Okay. Not anything to do with the approach,
the approach or the, no, the radius there,
Uh, we have no authority of that and neither do you.
Okay. So what, what happens, let's say they're, they,
this is granted what happens with
that little patch down by the sidewalk? Does the city, it,
It will be turned over to engineering
and either engineering will allow it
or they will tell 'em they have to return it back to grass.
Okay. Thank you, Mr.
Chairman. Mr. Englin,
Like, like I've stated before, the
information we get from the neighbors is valuable,
but again, it's kind of hearsay.
Sure. We don't know. He's actually selling cars there,
but our city does have
avenues to stop that.
'cause it is against code to sell vehicles.
I think you can sell a vehicle on a private property,
but you can only do so many a year.
And our city has a lot of room
for improvement in certain areas.
But I'll tell you what, at my grandmother's house in Warren,
there's across the street, ev anytime there's multiple cars,
but we call on the car that doesn't have the, the tab on it,
and it gets marked relatively quickly.
So, um, I'm not too concerned about the car issue,
I just wanna focus on the actual right. Um,
But I was wanting to reflect with the, the concerns
of the neighbors and that they have an avenue Sure.
To put a halt to what they think is going on, if
that's really what's going on.
Mm-hmm. Now to the cement, the pad that's poured,
I have no objection to it.
I know I like keeping my, both my, all my vehicles off
of the street when possible.
Um, so I have no objections to the pad.
I just outta curiosity, is there, I,
I see your correspondence to Mr.
Pont indicating
that there was gonna be a letter from the neighbor in
support coming soon.
Is that, were you able to, to get
That? I believe I emailed
that to Mr. Pont.
Uh, well over a month ago. It was, uh, that's Mr.
Marley's comments. I dunno if you had
it, Mr. William Marley.
I, I don't, I have the original here.
If, uh, if you wanted to see that
Be.
I don't, I see the, the ones that we read into the record,
but not the
No, you take your word for it.
I, I can read it if you like
Loud, but you know, Mr. Watch,
I copy. So
I have a question while that's going down there.
So I'm to understand, are you, um, his legal representative?
Yes, I'm an attorney. I,
Okay. I just wanted some,
it's been a long day.
And I just wanna make sure. So
you are an officer of the court?
I am. Okay. And, um, is he, um,
selling cars from the, the residence?
I, I, he's not,
he doesn't have a used car lot is when the one the neighbor
suggested he, I believe he has sold, you know,
occasionally selling a car, you know, one
or two, you know,
once every couple years know
selling a car just like any of us would
If we could have him come up.
Because I'd like to ask him directly that question.
He, his English is not the greatest, so
You can translate or anybody else
in the audience can translate.
So the question goes to approximately how many cars
Just stand over here In a year?
Would you sell out of your, your property there?
Well, maybe you can identify yourself.
I just buy, uh, Kasim Zahar 1, 1 4, 1 5 Irene Warren,
Michigan for 8 0 9 3.
Sometimes, you know, I sell my family car, you know,
and sometimes my own car I sell, you know.
But, uh, the problem is I had to extend my driveway
because, uh, one day I, I parked my car on the street
and I got hit, you know, somebody hit my car
and uh, I had to pay like 700,
you know, to fix it. You know,
I'm just, excuse me for a second, I'm just trying
to figure out about how many cars a year he
sells from the property.
I sell maybe like, uh, four or five cars, you know?
Mm-hmm. And I think from other, that's fine.
Other clients, I know the limit's.
Five personal cars you can sell a year without
having to go get like a license.
Okay. So you're aware of this has been a, okay. Well,
Not with him, but I know other people.
No, but all you have some expertise
or some knowledge that appears.
Okay. That's good. Thank you.
Any other comments from the board?
I, I think it's a, a, you know, lousy that it, it,
so many transactions are taking place on that driveway,
but there's another recourse for that.
And I don't personally have a problem.
We give a lot of driveway extensions in the city.
I, I don't think this property's any different.
Mr. Chairman, if no other board member has anything I'd
like to make a comment on, I'd like
to make a motion, please.
I'd like, like to make a motion to give permission
to retain the widened portion
of the concrete driveway in the front setback.
Six feet, two inches from the east corner
of the garage towards the east property line.
That it's not a detriment to the area size
and shape of the lot.
A motion by Mr. Englin. Do you have a support,
Support, Support by Mr.
Cliff for the reasons stated in the motion?
Mr. Englin? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Cliff? Yes. For
The reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins, I'm gonna deny no, um, in deference
to the neighbors.
Mr. Perry. Um,
Then I, Mr. Lindsay,
Uh, I vote no. I
don't think there's any unreasonable impact
or I don't think this is necessary.
Mr. Assessor? Yes. For the reason stated in the motion
Mr. Jersey votes?
No.
I believe it's the detriment to the area. And Chairman Safa?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
We a tally on the vote. It's a tie. Four four. It's a tie.
Madam Attorney. We have a tie four. We have a tie.
Oh my gosh. I'm sorry. I was communicating.
We have a tie vote. Um, well Nicole's weighing in.
Oh, we need five. So we need five. Yeah, it's also, okay.
Unfortunately the request was denied, um,
because there weren't five yes votes.
I note there were a full panel
here, like it was mentioned earlier.
Is there any way we could table this and we bring it back?
Um, panel, panel I mentioned
At the beginning of the meeting, we did make the
announcement in, in the, at the beginning of the meeting.
Well, you mentioned three different items on the agenda.
I you said six, 10, and
16. Well, this, this is
a non-use variance.
A use variance would require six yes votes, which you know,
is a much higher standard.
Just excuse us a moment.
Thank you. Thank you for being patient.
After consulting with the city attorney,
we're gonna uphold the decision to, to tonight to deny.
Alright, thank you. Thank, thank you.
This brings us to item 11.
Item 11, applicant Samo Mia, representative Samo mia.
Common description, 3 0 9 7 1 Lorraine variances requested
permission to widen concrete driveway in the front setback
nine feet, six inches from the north corner
of the garage towards the north property line.
Is the petitioner present for item 11?
Would someone like to make a motion as a courtesy?
We can move this to item Mr. Chairman, that's
The item number. I'd like to make a motion
to move this
to the last item of the day.
16 A And
That would be 16 A.
That I support that Motion by Mr. England.
Support by Mr. Jersey. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Item 11 has been moved to 16 A we'll recall
that onto item 12.
Item 12, applicant Metro Detroit Science representative
Kevin Dieters at Metro Detroit Science.
Common description, 2 8 5 3 2 shaner.
Your answers requested permission
to allow the following related to signage.
One, retain an existing 8.16 foot high ground sign
as follows, a size 96 inches
by 49 inches equaling 32.7 square feet.
B under clearance, 4.08 feet
C setback equals zero directly.
Abuts property line one foot in from public sidewalk.
Two, replace an existing wall sign, 1.5 feet
by 18 feet equaling 27 square feet if approved,
the total signage equaling 59.7 square feet.
Note if granted the variance from 1 8 19 69
for a nine foot square foot,
a nine square foot ground sign will be relinquished.
Good evening. Hello, uh,
my name's Kevin Dieters from Metro Signs.
Uh, the address 1 1 4 4 4 Cols Avenue in Warren
zip code 4 8 0 8 9.
Gentleman. To my right here is John Palo.
He's one of the owners at, uh, vision Associates.
And we're basically asking to, uh, uh,
retain an existing face change on a ground sign.
Um, basically what they did was maintenance on a, on a sign
that's been there many decades.
I, I believe since 1990 it's had that, that current shape.
And, uh, they just put some new bulbs in and,
and did a face change.
And, um, we're also asking to install a,
a new wall sign to reflect their new colors and logo.
It's comparable to the wall sign that they have, uh,
the existing wall sign has a permit,
but it does not have a variance.
So that, that's why the, the wall sign needs a variance, uh,
because the, the ordinance has changed
since that was installed.
And, uh, these, uh, proposals are just basically, um,
maintenance to, uh, make the, make the site look, uh, newer
and more current and more modern and, uh, and,
and look a lot nicer.
And, uh, we'd be happy to answer any questions you have.
Thank you for those comments. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience who would like
to speak on item 12?
Not seeing anyone. I close the public portion of the meeting
and turn it over to the board for discussion.
There is just a, uh, planning department memo
that will summarize into the record.
Um, Mr. Chair, um, planning department says, uh,
after reviewing the request, issu, uh, issues were found
to impact the budding local or general public.
This ex existing ground sign is currently abutting the front
property line one feet from the public side public walkway.
This creates a safety issue as the location
of the ground sign could impede the line of sight
of drivers entering Shayna Road from said property
to see vehicle traffic traveling southbound along Shaner.
Also, the current location
and under clearance of the sign creates a safety issue
with the chance of pedestrian traffic colliding
with the ground sign is the recommendation
of the planning department that the ground sign be set back
eight feet from the front property line is also a
recommendation that the under clearance
of the sign be no lower than seven feet.
Thank you. At this time,
I'll close the public portion again
and turn it over to the board for discussion.
I'm just going through here to refresh my memory.
They, they were here previously for the, the ground sign.
That was back in November, October, or November?
November of 2023? Yes. Okay.
So what did, what was
It was tabled cabin. Definitely
It was tabled A date to.
Okay. And we didn't make any approvals
or denials on that date?
Correct. Okay.
So we're here discussing both now,
the wall sign and the ground sign.
Yes, sir. Okay.
And the ground sign, the panelings already been changed?
Yes, it has. And, and,
and new bulbs have been put in, put in the sign. It
Was. Okay. What about the wall sign?
Has any work been done on that yet?
Uh, not, not to my,
I our company hasn't done any work. Not to my
Knowledge. Okay. So you haven't
done anything new with
this purple rendering on of the wall sign.
That's what you're proposing your company to,
to install? Uh,
Is that the photo of the existing?
I think that might be the photo of the existing site
as opposed to our rendering.
Hang, hang on one second.
Okay. That's the new one. That's what's being proposed.
Yeah. Yeah, that looks nice. You can tell mm-hmm.
It's a, it, you have a very nice building.
It's a nice wall sign.
I don't have a problem with the wall sign.
I gotta be honest though. Um, it does bother me having that,
um, you know, ground sign so close to the sidewalk.
It's really, it's really an unattractive shape.
Your building is so nice.
I I'm, I'm surprised that you would
be advocating to keep that.
I I know it would, it's probably, you know,
much more cost effective or, um, some other reason.
I know it, it's, you're, you're lucky you got,
you haven't a sign that's been, you know, grandfathered in
for years and years and years
and it's so close to the sidewalk.
Um, are there any other comments from, from
The board, Mr. Chair?
Um, you know, I, I've driven by that sign for many,
many, many years
and I, um, I kind of, um, disagree a little bit with
what the planning department says.
Um, I think with the, you know,
the four foot under clearance, I get the safety issue,
but I mean, you're not gonna have kids running through,
you know, underneath the sign there.
I mean, so, and I, as far as line of sight,
I think it's high enough to where, as far
as the driveway goes, that you can still maintain
a, a decent line of sight.
I don't think it's completely obscuring.
I do think it's an upgrade to, to what
what he currently has, um, as well.
So I personally don't have a, a, a problem
with just replacing the current existing sign as it is.
Um, you know, I'd have a problem if the sign was kind
of going into the sidewalk a little bit
or kind of having that, that bottom panel reaching out
as a possible, you know, hazard for kids walking by.
'cause you know, you have the school right there.
So, um, but I don't have a problem with this project at all.
So, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Englin,
That the box of the sign, in my opinion,
it looks like it's almost right on the line of the sidewalk.
If you follow that sign down this three,
this picture, and it looks like it's running
almost right to the edge.
I do believe that would be a safety factor
for kids coming home from school, whatever,
especially when they start pushing and shoving
and playing kid games.
Um, I agree with the
planning department director
or associate director, whichever one wants
to take the pitch on this, about
that sign needs to be set back.
Now, does it need to be set back eight
feet from the front sidewalk?
Maybe not quite that far,
but it does need to have
a decent setback about four feet.
So at this point, the way you're asking
for approval, I would not approve.
Could I, could I respond to your concern?
I, I know in, I'd like to hear that Mr. In the photo.
It, uh, it looks like it's right up against the sidewalk,
but it's, it's one foot back, but the sign
and the sidewalk are not on the same plane.
Okay. So it looks like it sort of leans in the photo.
So it looks like it leans out far
IAnd you can serve this, but I stay, I'd like
to see four feet Yeah.
From the sidewalk. So, even though, so you'd have
to move it three more feet over before I would approve this.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Cliff?
Sir, what came first? That sign? Or the sidewalk?
I'm assuming the sidewalk.
We don't know that for sir.
How long have you owned the building?
Hello, my name is John Palo.
Address is 2 8 5 3 2 Shana Road, Warren, Michigan.
Thank you. We have been at that location since 1989.
Okay. So the sidewalk was already in when you, when
You moved into the building?
We moved into the building. The sign was existing.
Structure was already there. Okay.
All we were doing was a maintenance of a faded face change
and replacing bulbs since we've been there since in 1989,
not one person has had any incident that I'm aware
of with that sign.
Fair enough. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
You know, Usually I'm not
a fan of, of the sign being so close to the sidewalk,
but you do have to remember, there's a significant distance
of grass on the other side of the sidewalk to the street,
and usually the sidewalk is closer to the street.
To the street. So
That's why I asked what was approach
that sign or the sidewalk.
Right. But he doesn't apparently have the,
The petitioner pro apparently doesn't have the historical
knowledge to answer that question.
And I don't know where we could,
where I could find it in a, in a quick shake.
But I think the chicken,
Regardless, I don't have a problem with,
with it the way it's written.
I, I have a suspicion that the sign was there
before the sidewalk was poured in the sixties.
It's possible. You know, this puts us in a kind
of a dilemma here,
because your, your office is a great,
you know, addition to the community.
You've been there for forever.
And we want to, we wanna help you, we wanna keep you happy,
but at the same time, by upgrading the sign,
the new paneling, we're not ever, you know, updating,
you know, code the L component.
Um, but it'll just, you know, we're prolonging its life
for another 20 years.
So, um, that, that's the dilemma.
Mr. Pont, did you have a comment to make?
Um, just to give you guys some history.
The original sign
and post were approved in January of 69.
The original sign was a basically two poles
with the sign in between it.
I don't know when the wings came out.
We have no permit of that sign ever being
with the wings out being closer
to the sidewalk than it is right now.
So the original sign through our historical facts were
that it was a sign with two poles,
two feet from the property line,
which would be three feet back from
the sidewalk at that point.
But now with the wings,
it is basically gone to the property line.
So it's impeded two feet from that original
with no other variances from 1969.
Okay. If this was my building, what,
and I wanted to maintain that sign box, I would consider,
I don't know if it's possible or not, you'd have
to consult the sign company, but
to put a two foot cement block, take the poles out
and drop it down where it's a monument sign,
it'd be a good compromise
because I'd let 'em keep it right up
to the sidewalk like it is.
But it would get rid of the hazard
and it would be a more attractive sign not having
this shape up in the air.
But that would be up to the petitioner,
Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Englin, I agree with you on that one.
It's either, in my opinion,
it would be either lower the sign making a, a monument
or put the sign back where it should be in
between the two posts, and that would eliminate
that edge over toward the sidewalk.
I'll let the petitioner respond. Do you,
I I'll reiterate that this was just a maintenance,
the existing sign was there, the existing sign
with the wings that come out.
I agree that, you know,
it would not be the original way I would've designed it.
Okay. But modifying that sign,
either putting it closer to the building,
which there is no room between the,
if you put it four feet closer, you're in the bushes.
So that's, I'm pretty sure that's why that sign was
that distance from the building.
'cause it's very close to the building as it is now.
As it stands. The existing structure shape,
like I said, has been there since 1989
with not one person coming in contact with that sign.
Making it lower, as you know, from being on that area
with sheer is kind of like almost on a berm.
If you lower that sign, it becomes even less noticeable.
Also, if you're gonna talk about raising versus lowering a
sign, the one next door at Beaumont,
and I know we don't wanna talk about other buildings,
is 20 feet high.
This is not even 10.
So I would please implore you
as a small business owner in your city who has very,
very tight budget limits modifying this sign,
making it smaller, different shape, lowering it would be
extensively costly.
I would appreciate it for your approval.
How would you feel about a, a compromise
about keeping the, the ground sign,
but not having, not installing the wall sign?
I think that might be a way of, I,
because you mentioned that you're not doing a overhaul here,
it's not part of a new sign package.
You're just modifying what you have.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Englin.
It just, that doesn't alleviate what my concern would be,
is some kid running into the sign.
Sure. But I I, but,
but it's a, it's a different discussion.
If he was just coming about this
and I changed the sign panel
and there's, there's no other additions to the signage.
It's easier to make the justification
that it's not a new sign
or overall it's just a, you know, a maintenance.
Really. Uh, would you be
Consider that that that's correct. The, the
existing wall Lian pan panels that were in, that
were severely faded.
All we did is change the Alexion that slides into
that existing structure.
Okay. And some bulbs.
So it's just, it's the same.
It's, it's just a new panel on the Yeah.
Existing ball sign. No
Dimensional change.
Okay. This is a tough one
Going on 40 years.
I know. We've been in, we've been in business in
that building since 89, but we've been on nine
and, uh, Lieutenant Van D**e since 1971 make a
Motion. I'm gonna make a motion.
I I'm gonna make nobody else has anything.
I'd like to make a motion on this item. I
Go ahead.
I, I, uh,
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
I'd like to make the motion to number one, retain.
Oh, here, my voice is gonna go out now.
Retain an existing 8.16 foot tall
or high ground sign as follows,
a size 96 inches
by 49 inches equaling
32.7 square feet.
B under clearance, 4.08 feet
C setback equals zero directly.
Abuts property line one foot
in from the edge of the public sidewalk.
Two, replace an existing wall sign.
I'm gonna stop there a second.
We're not replacing the entire wall sign.
You just changed the, the, the inlay,
right? The plastic inlay
Again, just maintenance.
Yes. Nothing is, no structural items have changed.
Should we be wording that as replaced then?
I don't think that's proper to word that is replaced.
That should also just reflect, retain,
To my knowledge. There's a new
sign. It, it's gonna be a new, he's
Coloring. He just put a new,
he just putting a new
plexiglass piece in it.
The, the cabinet stay the same, but
The wall sign on, on the building,
On the wall sign. Mr.
Wapa, what did, what is the, what considers a, a new sign?
Rehaul versus just maintenance?
A percentage of what you do or
What the ordinance is?
It's a PB district, which only allows one sign. Okay.
We searched our history.
We only had the one sign from 69 in the history
notes of a permit.
We have no permits on anything else there.
So we did not have a permit for the sign there.
Probably why it was to replace it rather than to, okay.
It's not to retain it because it's got a lot
of different, uh, okay.
It's got different pictures on the
sides and everything too. I'll,
I'll, it, I'll read it the way it's requested. So I'll
Get it on the books. Yep.
I'll read it the way it's requested and I understand.
Uh, so I'll start again with number two.
Replace an existing wall sign, 1.5 foot by
18 foot for a total of 27 square feet
with an antidotal note.
Oh. If approved, the total signage will equal 59.7 square
feet with the incidental note that if this is granted,
the variance from the January 8th, 1969
for a nine foot, a nine square foot ground
sign will be relinquished.
I don't think it's a detriment to the area
and I think there's historical significance to the building
for it to remain Support. Support.
We have a motion by Mr. Cliff. Support by Mr. Perry.
Mr. Perry to approve the request is read
Mr. Cliff.
Yes. For the reason stated in the motion. Mr. Perry?
Yes. For the reason stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins? Yes. For the reason stated in
The motion. Mr. Assessor?
Yep. In The motion. Mr. Lindsay?
No, I think this is a detriment.
Mr. Englin? No, I think it's a detriment.
I said no. I think it's a detriment.
Mr. Jersey votes Yes.
For the reason stated in the motion. Chairman sfa?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
We have a tally. We have more than five. Yep,
It's approved. Your request
has been approved.
Thank You. Thank you very much. Thank
You. Thank you.
Item 13, applicant City
of Warren Representative Bob Wener.
Common description. 2 2 7 2 8 MacArthur vari.
Answers requested permission to build a single family home.
One on a lot that is 49 foot and width. Two on a lot.
That is 5,390 square feet in an area three
with 31% of lot coverage.
Four with a 15 foot front setback.
Good evening. Uh, good evening everyone.
Bob Weidner, city of Warren community develop community
development block rant one city square suite two 10.
We are asking permission to build a single family home at
2 2 7 2 8 MacArthur.
This will be a ranch home with a full basement.
Um, we built similar homes in the area.
Um, this is a continuation of our neighborhood,
neighborhood stabilization program.
Great. Thank you for those comments.
This looks like a pretty straightforward request.
Uh, this is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience
that wishes to speak on this item?
Not seeing anyone. I
close the public portion of the meeting.
I will have Mr. Jersey read a,
a memo from the planning department into the record. Um,
The planning department reviewed the requests
and found no issues were found
to impact the budding local or general public.
Thank you. At this time, I'll turn it over
to the board for discussion.
Like I, me mentioned, it looks pretty routine to me,
but Ms. Strangle, did you have a, how
Many square feet is that house gonna be?
Uh, the ranch house I believe is, uh, 1200 square feet
Minimum required.
Thank you. Yes, sir.
Any other comments or discussion items?
Nobody has anything. I'd like to make a motion.
It's pretty cut and dried on
It. I agree.
I'd like to give permission to build a single family home.
Number one on a lot that is 49 feet in width.
Two on a lot that is 5,390 square feet in area
three with 31% of the lot coverage.
Four within 15 feet of the front setback due.
It's not a detriment to the area size and shape of the lot.
Support. Support. We have a motion by Mr.
Englin, support by Secretary Jersey
to approve the request as read. Roll
Call Mr. Englin?
Yes. For the rein state in the motion. Mr.
Jersey votes? Yes. For the rein.
State of the motion Mr. Perry? Yes. For the
Reinstate in the motion. Mr. Lindsay?
Yes. For The rein in the motion.
Mr. Clifft? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Assessor?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the
Motion. Mr.
And Chairman sfa?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion,
your request has been approved.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Mr.
Brings us to item 14.
Item 14. Applicant city
of Warren represented Bob Wener County description
2 2 7 0 8.
MacArthur Bar has requested permission
to build a single family home on a corner lot
that is 60 foot in width.
Two 6,600 square feet in the area.
Hello again. Good evening.
Bob Weidner, city of Warren, CDBG, uh,
one city square, suite two 10.
We're asking permission to build a single family home at
2 2 7 0 8 MacArthur.
This will be a one and a half story.
Uh, it's called Bungalow.
Um, we've built this home in the neighborhood similar
to the, what we've built in a neighborhood.
Um, it will be a full basement
and this is part of the continuation
of our neighborhood stabilization program.
Great. Thank you for those comments.
This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience that would like
to speak on item 14?
Not seeing anyone, but I'll let Secretary Jersey read
a memo from the planning department.
Uh, the planning department, um, also finds no issues
with, with this project, um, um, to impact.
There's no issues found
to impact the budding local or general public.
Thank you. I'll turn it over to the board. Any additional
Discussion? I I have one
question. Um, when I drove by the property
that it's a, it's a high corner.
I mean, you're get, how big of the,
how big is this house gonna be? This
Is a story gonna half, it's 1340 square feet I believe.
1340. Yes. 'cause it has a second floor.
Is that gonna have a garage too? On that?
It will have a garage. We built a similar home right down
the corner on the MacArthur and Maxwell.
That, that's the exact same house that we planned here.
And the garage is side turned off the side street. Okay.
So that, that's why we're able
to do it because we turned the garage
Sideways. Just outta curiosity,
is there any,
anything going on with the property in between?
Um, 'cause I know it, it's the, there's, there's a house in
between the two lots that you're
purchasing and that house will be
Torn Down. That one's gonna
be torn down.
Yeah, because I'm like, it's gonna be real.
I'm trying to see, I'm trying to see the vision when I drove
by, I'm like, gosh, this is gonna,
and then yeah, obviously the trees are gonna be removed too.
Yes. The trees are gonna be removed all along the lot
line, and unfortunately the front two
one is diseased and the other one Yeah.
When we build it will most likely.
I got you. Okay. I feel a little bit
more comfortable with this.
Thank you for your explanation.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr.
Englin, the house in
between the two lots is going to be tore down,
Correct?
Uh, would you already own that lot?
The, the city of Warren owns it. Yes.
City of Warren owns that lot. Yes. Um, it'd been nice.
It would've been easier if they just brought it
for all three of'em right in a row.
Instead, we're gonna build these in all three.
But no, I have no objections then.
I've always been an advocate of putting smaller homes in
that in the south side due to the fact it's impossible.
Mm-hmm. I'm not gonna say hard to do.
It's impossible to build homes down there.
It meets all the city codes. The lots are too small. Mm-hmm.
So sometimes you have to go up a little bit.
Sometimes you gotta shift closer to a property line.
So the only way to fill those lots
and just not have a bunch of vacant lots is
to give them the lead way to do it. And
I'm all for more housing in this town.
Well, I'm all for putting affordable housing.
Newer housing? Yes. Affordable homes in the area. Okay.
Um, just some history on this.
It's already gone to the planning commission.
They took the three lots, they combined it
and then separated into two lots.
Those two lots then needed the variances
that were set forth before you.
That's perfect. For now, it's gonna be instead
of three lots, it's two lots with two houses.
Okay. That makes more sense than this more
Sense. Sorry. I I
thought that. Yeah.
So they're gonna widen the lots
in order to put domes on it. Perfect. Thanks.
Yeah, that makes sense. How about that motion?
Oh, happy to do the motion. Wonderful.
Make my day if I can find it here.
Who's gonna draw all the talking once he's gone?
Yeah, when I leave, who's gonna be doing all the
talking? Okay,
Now I can't lose Him.
This is, uh, item 14. Yes, sir.
I give permission to, I'd like to give permission
to build a single family home on a corner.
A lot that is 60 feet in width
and 6,600 square feet in area due to the fact it's
not a detriment to the area
and size the shape of the lot. Support
A motion by Mr. England.
Support by Secretary Jersey to approve the item as right.
Mr. Englin? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Jersey votes Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Perry?
Yes. For the reason stated In the motion
Mr. Lindsay? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Clifft? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Assessor?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the
Motion. Chairman Safia?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion,
your request has been approved.
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.
Have a good night.
It takes us to item 15, applicant.
JMJ building company, LLC, representative Joey Val Vitali.
Description, 1 4 6 1 7 10 mile branch request of permission
to one, retain a 38.2 foot high silo
for a mini concrete batching plant.
Two, retain an above ground fuel storage tank in an M two
district and within 109.1 feet
of the north property line within 61.64 feet
of the east property line
and within 33.29 feet of the West property line.
Good evening. Good evening.
My name's Ben Vitale, owner of JMJ.
Um, yes, we're requesting your address, a variance.
I need your address too. Can you hear me?
Your, your address please, if you could. Oh,
I'm sorry. 14 6 1 7
East 10 mile.
Thank you. Please continue. Yes.
So we're requesting, uh, a variance for the height
of our silo and also for the usage
of our fuel tanks.
Uh, 300 gallon fuel tank.
Okay. That's enclosed. And, you know,
Thank you for those comments.
Yes, sir. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience who wishes
to speak on item 15?
Not seeing anyone. I close the public portion
of the meeting, but I'll have Secretary Jersey read, uh,
the planning, uh,
The impact statement from the planning department, uh,
found no issues were found to impact the budding
or local or general public.
Thank you. At this time, I'll turn it over
to the board for discussion.
There's a site plan on the back in the back of the
Mr. Chair. I just have one
question to the petitioner.
Do, is it just one fuel fuel tank on the property? Yes,
Sir. It's just
One. Okay. Yeah.
One fuel tank. Yep.
And how, how big is it? That's 300 gallons, I believe.
One 300 gallon tank? Yes, Sir. Okay.
And you see in, in the site plan folded in, there's a copy
of the meeting minutes from April 10th, 2019.
Variance is approved on 4 10 19.
Allow open storage of over 9,000 square feet
and allow open storage on an our non hard surface
made by our former lovely board member Ms. Verle.
Mm-hmm.
One other quick question.
How long have you been in business on the property?
Uh, McComb's been there about four years, 40 years? Four.
Four, four years. Okay. Four years. Yes, sir.
And did the silo come with the property? No, sir. It didn't.
Okay.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Englin?
Yeah. No. If no other board member has any
questions, then I'd like to make a motion.
Please do. Yeah.
If I can find the motion though,
I may have your motion sheet.
Now. Keep me from digging through all the pots.
I'd like to make a motion to retain a 38.2 foot high silo
for a mini concrete batching plant to retain
above ground fuel storage tank
in an M two district within 109.1 feet
of the north property line within
61.64 feet in the east property line.
And within 33 point 29 feet of the west property line.
Due to the size and shape of the lot,
it has approval from the planning director
and assistant director
and by I I grant
that they probably know more than I do on some
of this stuff, and it's not a detriment
to the area. Support.
We have a motion by Mr.
Eng England, support by Mr. Perry
to approve the request as read
Mr. Englin?
Yes. For the reason stated in the motion Mr. Perry? Yes.
For the reason stated in the motion
Mr. Clifft?
Yes. For the reasons stated in
The motion. Mr. Lindsay?
Yes. For
The reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reason stated in the motion Mr. Assessor?
Yes. For the reason stated in
The motion Mr. Jersey votes
Yes. For reason stated
in the motion Chairman sfa? Yes.
For the reason stated in the motion,
your request has been approved.
Thank you. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you.
Take care. This brings us to item 16.
Item 16. Applicant Anthony Lty,
representative Anthony Lty.
Hopefully I got that right, sir. Apologize, Tini Lente.
Thank you. Common description.
2 7 6 6 3 mound
and no address number, um,
variances requested Permission two one used parcel.
12 dash 13 dash 17 dash 4 27 dash three
for 12,409 square feet of open storage in a R one P district
for up to 18 utility bucket trucks
and expansion of designated area
of roll-off dumpster storage.
That's a use to exceed the allowable open storage
by 6,741 square feet, resulting in a total
of 23,763 square feet
of open storage across both parcels.
Three, retain six foot chain link fence
with a one foot setback from the north property line
of 2 7 6 6 3 mound on a side street Heathdale Avenue
where the rear yard abuts side yard
for a lot con containing a residence.
Good evening. Hello, my name is Anthony Tini
and I'm a owner and landlord of the property.
Um, we're discussing tonight the 2 7 6 6 3 mound.
My address is 2 4 5 9 5 Beck in Warren.
Thank you. Um, What,
what we're requesting this evening,
these three points is we're asking for additional, uh,
parking of 18 utility trucks.
When we built the facility, we designated 50 spots
for utility trucks and it just wasn't enough.
Uh, they, what they need is probably closer to 60,
but we thought we'd ask for a little extra
and, uh, ask for 18 more spots.
And what the tenant would like
to do is designate those 18 spots, um,
which we've drawn out on the plot plan,
you know, paint them out.
So this specifically for those, uh, a location
to park those, uh, vehicles there.
So we wanna just carve
that out exactly where they would park.
And then, um, there's also roll off dumpsters.
And when we originally designed a location for those,
it wasn't wide enough.
We're asking to make those, the area
for the roll off dumpsters a little wider on the, uh,
south side of the property.
And, um, I I did want to note that
where those roll offs are, there's a natural screen,
the building next door.
So that creates a natural screen.
And also those utility trucks
that we're gonna park in those 18 spots are smaller utility
trucks that come in two sizes.
And these utility trucks are referred to as squirt booms.
And then they're only about nine feet high,
so it'll be less visible for Mound Road.
That's what we're gonna put there.
And lastly is the chain link fence.
And, um, somehow that fence a gate was installed too close
to the property line.
And, uh, if it was just moving a simple chain link fence,
I would not have come here to ask for this variance.
But it's an elaborate electric gate.
It's got the card reader a little underground vault under
the sensors, under the, uh, pavement.
It would be a huge job
and a, a really huge expense to move that.
And that's the reason I'm here this evening
to ask for that variance.
Thank you for those comments. This is a public hearing.
Is there anyone in the audience
that wishes to speak on this item?
Not seeing anyone. I close the public portion
of the meeting and Mr.
Jersey will read the planning, uh, impact statement.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um,
the plane department, um, reviewed the request.
They found no issues were found
to impact the budding local or general public.
Thank you. And I do, just as a preface
to this discussion here, I drive by this facility every day
and to just see the operation that goes on here,
it's organized, it's neat, it's a nice looking building.
They improve that piece there for, you know mm-hmm.
Storage is never an attractive thing,
but you keep a very nice, uh, facade on the front
of your building and grass and it's, thank you.
It's notice, I'm sorry, yeah, right around the corner
From where I was.
Yes. I think it's very well done.
Uh, I personally don't have, um, any problem
with the additional, uh,
I guess the one, the one question I would have, obviously,
uh, the rollup dumpsters, these are empty dumpsters.
There's not, there's not gonna be existing trash in them
or is it gonna be kind of, uh,
In the utility construction business, when they go out
to work on the telephone poles,
sometimes they have to remove a pole.
They chop it up in pieces.
So there are sections of, uh,
telephone pole in those roll offs,
and then those swamp, they get swapped out
and they go to the landfill.
Okay. So would you say percentage wise, how many are empty
or, and how many are full
or they all have some kind of debris in them to some degree.
There's two roll offs there.
And usually, you know, one's full
and when that one gets full,
they swap out. So we like to teach
Two. Gotcha, gotcha.
When I say full, I, I, I assume you mean that they're,
that the nothing's no over
Nothing Flowing and it's probably two thirds full.
How big are dumpsters? 30 yarders or?
Uh, honestly, I think
They're, I think they're 40 yarders.
40. Okay.
Um, I was the inspector on this, uh, it started out
with them parking on the back lawn, um, notified them.
They cleaned that up, but at that point there was,
they've exceeded their open storage
and forced 'em to come in.
They've been a pleasure to work with and everything.
Uh, I know it's an R one P and all that.
Um, but they have, I said ask for
what you want within the next five years.
That's why they're expanding the use and,
and asking for that now in front of you.
Okay. I would rather see them expand
and maintain their operation more
and to Absolutely, absolutely. Go elsewhere.
The the one thing I would add, um, you know,
when we start looking at open storage
and stuff in this town, um, is to try
to maybe attach, um, conditions to it with, you know, it has
to be business related items.
You know, I don't want to see, you know, his boats
or campers Oh no.
Or anything like that there.
I mean, so I mean I obviously it's nothing against you.
I know you run a great operation,
but when we start granting open storage,
sometimes people take a,
take it a little bit too far into their own personal lives
versus what's directed towards the business.
So thinking that might be, is
that in our parameters to do that?
Um, Adam, attorney,
Mr. Jersey?
Yes. Most
of the time open storage goes in front of the planning commission.
If I'm involved, I try to get that right on the site plan.
Okay. Exactly what is stored
and the planning department does as well.
So, so does Everett Murphy and anyone involved in that?
Both sides do, and I'm sure the attorneys would agree with
that if they were involved,
but usually not involved that much
That allows junk cars from not being piled on the product.
Right. Right. Yeah, that's Great. We, we try to get
that on the original site plan
and then we can have enforcement
as zoning inspectors on that. Gotcha.
Okay. That's good to know. Thank you Steve.
So, um, that answers my question then I'll yield the
floor. Somebody
Wanna make a motion?
I will. I'm on a roll.
Might as well take this one too,
as my final motion in my life. There might be
One more.
Okay. Believe then nevermind you don't get the final
one from me, sir.
Yeah, I thought I was gonna give you the great privilege
of having a final one from Chuck.
I'd like to make a motion to grant a variance requested
Permission two one use parcel.
12 dash 13 dash 17 dash 4 27 dash
13 four 12,409 square feet
of open storage in an R one P district for up to
18 utility bucket trucks
and expansion of design area of
four roll off dumpster use.
That's a use storage, that's a use Ask two.
Exceed the allowable open storage
of 6,741 square feet, resulting in a total
of 23,763 square feet of open
storage across both parcels.
Three. Retain six foot chain link fence
with a one foot setback from the north property line
of 2 7 6 6 3 mound on a side
street heat.
Dale Avenue, where the rear yard abuts side yard
of a lot containing a residence.
Due the facts, size and shape of the lot,
not a detriment to the area.
And we'd like to keep you in the neighborhood. Sir.
Support, support
Of a motion by Mr.
Angleland. Support by Secretary Jersey
to approve the item is read.
Mr. Englin? Yes.
For the reason stated in the motion. Mr.
Jersey votes? Yes. For the reason.
State of the motion Mr. Perry? Yes.
For reinstated in the motion. Mr. Cliff? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Higgins? Yes.
For the reasons stated in the motion.
Mr. Lindsay? Yes. For the
Reason stated in the motion.
Mr. Assessor? Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion.
And Chairman Siah?
Yes. For the reasons stated in the motion,
your request has been approved.
Great. Thank you so much. I appreciate
It. Thank you. Thank you.
This brings us back
To, this would be item 16 A,
which was originally item 11, 12,
I believe. Uh,
11, I believe.
Oh, You're right. 11.
Um, so Applicant, SAMO Mia,
representative Samo Mia, are you here?
She's not here. What's the address? Do you wanna
Read? Uh, common description.
3 0 9 7 1 Lorraine, um,
variance requested permission
to widen concrete driveway in the front setback nine feet,
six inches from the north corner
of the garage towards the north property line.
Is the petitioner present
Mr. Chairman?
Due to the weather, normally I'm not a big fan
of postponing something.
If you're not here, you know
you're supposed to be here, you'd be here.
But with the weather way
and the roads are a little bit on a slick side, I like
to see this postponed to the next meeting if possible.
I, I agree with that. Usually my rule is no call, no show,
no variance, but with the weather we can table
It once. I'd like to make a
motion to table item 16 A
for 3 0 9 7 1.
Lorraine, to the March 12th meeting.
I was gonna make the last
We have a motion by Secretary Jersey.
Support by assessor Mr.
Assessor to table, um, item 16 A
to March 12th. All in favor?
Aye. Aye. The item has been tabled.
You want redo.
Brings us to
This brings us to new business.
As you know, Mr. England's, uh, last meeting is tonight.
He's, uh, been tremendous, his service on the board
for countless years.
He was, uh, honored last night at city council meeting
where a resolution was given to him.
And I'll just read it quickly into the record
and I'd like to present a copy to you.
Resolution. Whereas Charles Englin has been an active member
of the community for over 42 years.
And whereas Charles England served on Born Consolidated
School Board from 1992 to 1996.
And whereas Charles Englin is a state
of Michigan licensed builder
and an active member in various community service groups.
And whereas Char Charles Englin is also the president
of Macomb Home Inspection Incorporated.
And whereas Charles Englin has issued his talents
and experiences to serve the residents
of Warren on the zoning board
of appeals since September, 2015, and now
therefore be it resolved that the City Council of the City
of Warren, along with Mr.
England's colleagues on the zoning board of app appeals,
hereby recognizes
and honors Charles Englin for his dedication
and contributions to the development
and the review of ordinance appeals for the residents
and businesses of the City of Warren be it further resolved
that a copy of this resolution be presented
to Charles Englin as a token of the city
of Warren's appreciation for his commitment
to community service.
And we wish him well on future endeavors.
This resolution is declared
and adopted on the 11th day of February, 2025.
I'd like to have a round of applause for Mr. England.
Thank you, sir. And now let me get my speech out. Speed.
I'll make it short. Not that 20 page one I originally wrote.
I just wanna make a comment for anybody that's still up
and paying attention to what's going on here out there in TV
land that I've sat on many boards, a lot of boards
for a lot of time, and I wanted to make a comment.
This board here is diversified.
It's got many of its own opinions on things,
but I think that's what services our community the most.
When we can get all opinions out there,
even though we don't agree, when we get done with an item,
it gets pushed aside whether passed or didn't pass,
and then we start working on another one.
Unlike some boards in that I've been on
or committees, it just seems like issues just
never seem to end.
Everybody that I know that's been on this board
and is on this board today has been true.
Scholars of working toward what our city needs
without any reservations to themselves.
And I want to thank this board for having me
for this short period of time.
Thank you.
With that, I'll adjourn.
No, I have no, I have something down there for you guys.
Uhoh. Michelle. Hey, pencils. No, no, no.
Actually, I'm returning all the extra pencils. I am.
I don't need to collect them any longer.
There it is, uhoh. Uh
Oh.
How much you love my cupcakes.
We, we'll let the record state we love your cupcakes,
but we'll adjourn the meeting
so we're not stuffing our face on camera.
Meeting adjourned. Nine 17 Support.
All in favor. I just wanted to make
Sure you, aye.