I am now calling to order a regular meeting
of the City Council, Tuesday,
April 8th, 2025 at 7:00 PM Please
stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge alle allegiance
To the flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands.
Nation, one Nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
Roll call Madam Secretary Councilman Roy? Here.
Councilwoman McGee. Here. Councilman Dwyer. Here.
Councilman Bokey. Present. Councilman Nunan. Present.
Councilman Lafferty. Here, Moore is present.
We have a quorum. Next item.
Next item is adoption of the consent agenda. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Uh,
discussion, hearing, and scene?
None. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Laffy?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newnan?
Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan Cs? Yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is five. Adoption of the agenda.
So moved with discussion
Support with discussion.
Uh, discussion Ms. Moore? Yes. Thank you.
Um, adding as item 11 D, extension
of medical license, um, LMK capital
as item 11 E, uh, settlement in the matter
of OCHO versus City of Warren etal as
as item 11 E. Wait
A minute.
Um, item 11 F
is the NEZ certificates,
um, and add as 13 D.
The revised, um, proposed amended resolution
to the ballot proposal
as 13 D.
Thank you Mr. Lafferty. Discussion?
Yes. Uh, Madam Secretary, I'd like
to add under council business status
of the intergovernmental agreement with the city
of center line for use of the Warren Community Center.
That will be item 12.
B, B as in boy. Yes.
Thank you.
Any additional discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C as a? Yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is six a calendar pending matters.
Motion to receive and file support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing and seen none. All in favor?
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is seven.
A approval of the bills of the General revenue funds.
So moved. Support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing, and scene? None.
I call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is approval of the bills
of the water and sewer systems.
So moved. Support Dwyer.
Discussion, Hearing, and scene? None.
I call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. McGee? Yes. Mr. Nunan?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is audience participation for agenda items only.
Members of the audience who would like
to address the city council this evening may do so
by filling out an audience form located
at the right side of the stage.
Uh, this audience is for agenda items only.
You have three minutes.
There is additional time at the end for general topics.
You can speak at both. Uh, there's a clock in front.
If you, uh, can't see it
or need help, please let me know so
that I can tell you when your time is nearing.
Uh, three minutes. First is Lori Harris.
Hi, Lori Harris. I typed it up so I can read it fast.
I wanna talk about the appointment of Kirk Rain
as the head of the building department.
I'm not sure how long he has worked for the City of Warren,
but I do know that he has been the acting director since
just after Lori Stone took off as mayor.
I know if for a fact, that Lori Stone was notified and aware
before she won the election
of the disrespectful behavior demonstrated
by Kirk Rain against a resident of the city.
Discussions about accessibility have been ongoing in the
city of Warren under the knowledge
and the need of Tony Baker.
Tony is significantly physically impaired
and requires appropriate
and legal accessibility to access any services
outside of his home.
Tony has demonstrated a genuine concern
for the accessibility in the city.
I've helped Tony by taking pictures
and posting the unbelievably approved buildings parking
sidewalk, drainage grates in the city of Warren.
Political group approvals from the planning department have
gone against the a DA law.
Uh, for example, Randazzo's certificates
of occupancy have been issued to businesses who decide
to pour their own ramp
that absolutely does not meet the guidelines issued
by the a DA sidewalk ramps with detectable warning surfaces,
lead visually impaired persons out into the middle
of busy roads like Mound Innovate Mound.
After all that money and time spent has many sidewalk ramps
inappropriately poured and directionally inadequate.
Why does it take a citizen
to keep pushing the city to do the right things?
Why does it take a citizen to make the mayor pay attention?
Why let the acting building director ignore the information
provided by informed residents for the last year
and four months, and then appoint him
to a permanent position?
Does a mayor need a review
of his disgusting behavior against a resident?
Is that the kind of director we need here?
How about a director who says,
let's sit down and talk about it.
Help me understand your concerns. No.
Instead, like a red Oompa lumpa, he struggled
to the podium at a public meeting throwing heavy books
around to prove he had copies of the books
and denigrated a resident and called him names.
Hard to know if he was reprimanded at all for that sorrowful
petulant display of hubris, despite the city being notified
of other concerns related to Mr.
Rain claiming occupancy at a house in Warren
and claiming a homestead credit while renting the house out.
I'm more concerned that we have the same lack of concern
for the accessibility and importance
of all residents being able to move about in our community
and participate in activities.
By the way, the a DA laws being updated this month,
does anyone in the building
or planning department know what the changes are?
What about the council? What about the planning department?
Um, I, we need to really consider tabling this appointment,
although I think it's already been officially done,
but I am, uh,
saying this was a terrible decision. Thank you.
Thank you. Next is Joel Vander Lemon.
Joel Valen, longtime worn resident. It's hard to follow.
So when it did such a dedicated
and well spoken job as Ms. Harris did,
but I second it, there's no way,
no shade, no form.
A Kirk Rees should be in any leadership position,
let alone be in a position where he makes fun
and calls people names that are disabled.
He was the man that called many members of prior console
and this console keyboard heroes,
and told you that you didn't know
what the hell you were doing and to leave him alone.
Well, I know what I'm doing. I knew what I did before.
That was before, before he was working there and after.
Kurt Rames is not the man for a DA
Kurt Rames is not the person for,
uh, the building department.
I'd like to see his licenses,
his certificates, and everything else.
I wanna know why many members of the administration
feel that they're above the citizens of Warren
and don't have the follow the laws
and amendments that we have.
To Kurt Range is cheating
tax dollars, uh, by claiming homestead in a home.
He doesn't live in, in fact, the old Koosa house,
which he now rents out illegally,
He should have been written up for numerous tickets
for having no rental agreement, having no, uh, uh,
investigation or, uh, certification on his hot water tank,
on his furnace, on his windows.
There's not a special clause
for being an administrator in the city of Warren.
And Mr. Rains should go down with a no vote.
Screw the, uh, uh, uh, at the tabling.
Just say, no. It's like drugs. Just say no.
Thank you. Have a blessed day.
Thank you. That is the end of audience. Next item.
Thank you Announcements. Madam Chair.
Uh, yes, Madam Secretary. Thank you.
Um, first off, uh, April is recognized
as Autism Awareness Month.
I have my button on. Uh, time of honor.
A time to honor the unique experiences, strengths,
and voices of individuals with autism.
It is an opportunity for our community
to come together in support of greater understanding,
acceptance, and inclusion.
Autism is a spectrum,
and every individual's journey is different.
By raising awareness, promoting compassion,
and embracing neurodiversity,
we create a more inclusive world
where all individuals can thrive, be heard,
and celebrated for who they are.
This month and every month, let us stand together
with individuals on the spectrum
and their families offering support,
learning from their stories, and ensuring that our schools,
workplaces, and communities are welcoming
and accessible to everyone.
Together we can build a more accepting and inclusive future.
Um, on another note, um, I think everyone knows JD Marshall,
um, was, uh, almost 10 years ago that his daughter died
of cancer, and he's been active in, uh, raising funds
and helping, uh, families with children, uh, with cancer.
Um, he is having a, uh, a one last laugh show
on April 12th at 6:00 PM at the UAW 20,
uh, 2 28 Hall at 3 9 2 0 9 Mound Road
in Sterling Heights.
Uh, this benefit is, um, going
to help, uh, police chaplain j Jackson.
Um, he has been very ill, uh, since last October,
and the funds raised will help them
with their medical bills.
So anybody that, uh, would like to come out
and enjoy this show,
there's gonna be a concert and a comedy show.
Uh, tickets are very reasonable.
Um, uh, they are $10
or $75 for a table of 10.
I've gone to, uh, some of these events
and they're quite enjoyable.
Um, thank you. That's it for me. Any other announcements?
Yes, Ms. McGee?
Yes. Um, I wanted to make sure I let everyone know,
we usually have people, um, you know, our constituents
that come to our, uh, weekly biweekly meeting
and wanting to get some resource information.
And so I put some cards, um, at the bottom of the stage here
that has the 2 1 1 number that you can not only give
to people in your neighborhood, but also to family
and friends who may need resource information,
whether it's mental health, whether it's to help
with getting healthcare
or, um, home care for your family.
Um, you can get that information through the 2 1 1 line.
So all cards are laid right there at the,
uh, end of the stage.
Thank you. Any other announcements?
Madam Chair? Uh, Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you. Just wanted to wish a, uh, happy Easter
to all those who celebrate.
Our next meeting will be after the, the holiday.
So, uh, my family and I, uh, celebrate
and serve, uh, Easter every year.
So, uh, to all of you, uh,
have a blessed Easter with your families.
Thank you.
Check one. Mm-hmm. Um, I would just like to, uh,
remind everyone that's here, that's from the administration.
We will be holding a hard noon on Wednesday
before the, um, next meeting.
We are won't be accepting any late add-ons
unless the world is ending.
So please keep that in mind when you're preparing for the,
uh, next meeting.
I know things happen, but Miss Camp is going on vacation,
and I want her to just leave and not think about anything.
So if you please try, try to do that next time.
I'd appreciate it. Thank you. Any other announcements?
Okay, moving on. Next item.
Next item, uh, 10 A is a public hearing subdivision
and lot split and combination request located on the
northeast corner of Cadillac Avenue and MacArthur Boulevard.
Three parcels lot 21 11 13 34.
132 0 0 6,
lot
21 12 13 34, 132 5,
lot 21 13, 13 34.
1 3 2 0 0 4 to be combined and split into two parcels.
Section
34 2 2 7 0 8 2 2 7 1 6 2 2 7 2 8.
MacArthur Boulevard, city of Warren. Mr.
Bato is the petitioner in this matter, sir,
anyone from the administration that can summarize it for us?
Uh, Good evening, uh, Adam, president and, uh, council.
My name is Ron Wirth. I'm the planning director.
And, uh, this particular item, it's gonna be
actually someone will come back up
after me to talk a little more in detail about it.
But, uh, this is more the, the function of, uh, a lot split
and then a, a re uh, combination.
And, uh, they took three lots. They're 30 footers.
They're more than 30 feet, but the under 40.
And, uh, they, uh, split one of 'em
and attached the, those halfs to the other, uh,
lots and created a 49 foot wide lot
and a 60 foot wide lot, which they, uh, intend to.
Um, and that is, uh, Tom,
Tom Batos group intend to, uh, build two homes, uh, on that,
that's the purpose, uh, of this particular,
uh, uh, job here.
So, but, uh, it was approved, not approved,
but recommended for approve of by planning, uh, commission
to city Council.
Uh, if you have any other questions regarding it, uh, glad
to answer regarding the, the split aspect of it.
And, and like I said, I know that, uh,
this item will be coming up again real quick.
If you could, uh, sit tight once we open the public
hearing, uh, nearby.
In the event that anyone has any questions, I'll thank you.
Uh, and I assume since Mr.
Batos, petitioner, he's not here, that there isn't, yeah.
So, Angela, Angela, do you wanna speak at all by chance?
No. Okay. Okay. I will open the public hearing.
Is there anyone from the audience
who would like to speak on the matter?
Ms. Harris,
This is a great opportunity to table this.
Um, or maybe I'm misunderstanding.
It's just a public hearing,
but how interesting that nobody here with the information
that we really need, uh, community development.
She's not speaking on it. You've got Mr.
Wirth telling you what it's about.
Um, oh, now they're gonna both stand up.
So I still do get some time to talk. I think, you know, Mr.
Mr. Bato, if he made this petition, he needed to be here
or have someone here that
knew what they were gonna talk about.
And, um, so I,
I am just gonna use my time to say that as they, you know,
sit behind me so they can tell me that I, that I'm wrong.
Um, we have too many of these things that happen in the city
where nobody really knows what's going on, so thank you.
You're welcome. Um,
I will close the public hearing
and turn it over to counsel for additional action.
I were all of us. Sure. Go sir.
All of us were fairly clear, Ms. Harris, on what Mr.
Wirth was stating.
And Angela is can speak if we have questions.
Um, now that we've closed the public hearing. Okay.
Adam, chair mm-hmm. Motion to approve.
Um, I, this, this pro, the property's being split so
that we can build houses on at CDBG homes, correct?
Do I have the support? Support library?
Thank you. Yes. Yes. Okay.
And I, I just will remind counsel
11 F came in a little late today,
but this, um, uh, item is also tied
to these properties, these statistics.
Yeah. And there is another item to award the bid
of the contract to build the houses on this agenda as well.
They're a little split up. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you.
Any other discussion?
No. Hearing and scene? None. I'll call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is a public hearing
to receive comments on the proposed 20 25 20 26 action plan
application for CDBG Home and Hopwa funds.
Someone from the city can summarize Ms. Ko.
Good Evening, members of council.
Um, this is, um, to receive comment on our public, um,
our proposed plan that's been published so members
of the public can make comments, um, and address Council.
Um, this is not to take action, this is just
to receive public comment.
Thank you. And there is no
petitioner in this instance.
Mary is there? No, the individual
Ones just asking to come forward.
Um, anyone? So do I wanna open the public hearing first,
Just Public hearing and ask for comment?
Yeah. Okay. Just making sure.
Uh, I'll open the public hearing
and if there's anyone from the audience who would like
to speak on the matter.
Sure. If you leave it for Ms. Kim, she can distribute.
Good evening. My name is Dory Vasquez. Nolan.
I'm the CEO of Care House,
the Macomb County Child Advocacy Center.
We have, um, offices located in Mount Clemens
and a satellite office located in the city of Warren Care.
House is the only agency in Macomb County
that offers comprehensive services for child victims
of sexual abuse, physical abuse,
and for children who may have been a witness
to a violent act as well
as their non-offending family members.
Our goals are to minimize the trauma for the child victim,
um, and provide coping skills, advocacy,
and case management, uh, to get them back on the road
to Healing Care.
House serves as a beacon of hope for child victims of abuse,
providing them with a safe place
where their voices can be heard, their needs can be met.
And in our space, kids can talk about anything
that might be troubling them.
And when a detective brings an alleged victim to care house,
they're making a whole array of services available
to the child, teen, or vulnerable adult.
They'll not only receive a forensically sound,
developmentally appropriate forensic interview
by a highly trained forensic interviewer,
but their family will also receive information,
advocacy support,
and services to guide them through this time
of profound stress and crisis.
April is Child Abuse Prevention Month,
and as the designated council in Macomb County
for the Michigan Children's Trust Fund, care House believes
that many cases of child abuse
and neglect are not a bad parent problem,
but often a lack of support and resources problem.
Providing parents with the tools
and support that they need is key to preventing child abuse.
And our prevention and Family Resource Center programming
provides that investment in families before a crisis occurs.
Families are never charged for the services
that they receive at Care House,
and we provide services to all referred children
and their non-offending family.
I'm also very proud to report that according
to our most recent independent financial audit, 89 cents
of every dollar that comes to Care House is specifically,
uh, devoted to our programming for children
and families in our community.
Since our opening in 1996, we've conducted over 11,400
forensic interviews with more than 1800
of those children being residents of Warren.
Last year in 2024, we conducted 620 forensic interviews
for 111 Warren Children.
And so far this year, we've already done interviews
for 29 Warren children.
Um, you may know that Care House opened a satellite center,
um, almost eight years ago to bring our services
to the Southern, um, part of a the community.
Do I have to stop at three minutes?
You're okay. Okay. There's no time limits.
Thank, um, since then,
we have expanded our footprint in Warren twice, um,
now having approximately 5,000 square feet, uh,
to better serve families from Warren
and other southern communities.
In October of 2022, we launched a family resource center,
um, or our FRC as we call it.
Um, we have those services at both locations
and our FRCs are parent driven, welcoming,
and supportive hubs for families in our community
who are seeking resources
and not just families that are going
through a child abuse investigation.
Our FRCs offer family pantries, emergency financial support,
parent leadership development
and mentoring, positive parenting, um, and back to school
and holiday drives assistance, um,
accessing other community resources
and ongoing case management.
Last year, our Family Resource Center served over 400
families, and none of
what we do would've been possible without the
support of the City of Warren.
We're very proud to have been your partner, uh,
serving families to help them thrive.
We respectfully request consideration
for funding this upcoming year in the amount of $48,000
to support services for 80 qualifying Warren
children and their families.
Of course, we would be grateful for any amount
that you are able to allocate to us.
For more information about Care House, um, we invite you
to follow us on Facebook
or visit our website@www.mc care house.org.
Thanks for your time. I'd be happy to answer any questions.
Madam Chair, could we suspend the rules
and allow question of the speaker?
Sure. Please support to suspend the rules.
All in favor, aye. Aye.
Do are any of the families
or children that you provide services for, are they there,
um, at times as a result of opioid use?
Yes. That is one of, um, one of the reasons
that a detective or CPS worker would bring a child, um,
to care house for an interview, um, with, um, you know,
that type of situation going
On in the home. Right.
Um, is there any way that you could provide me
with a percentage?
I can get that to you. I would like to have that, yes.
When, when you have time. Okay.
Ms. Moore, correct? Yes.
Okay. I would appreciate that. Sure. Very much. Thank you.
Thanks again. Thank you.
Any other folks willing to speak
during the public hearing?
Good evening. My name is Sherry Warnock,
and I'm a volunteer coordinator at Interfaith
Volunteer Caregivers.
The number of older adults in Macomb County is expected
to increase by more than 90% by 2040.
This group of seniors needs extra support due to changes
that come with aging,
chronic health conditions or disabilities.
At the same time, family structures are changing, often,
leaving seniors with nobody nearby to help.
For over 30 years, our nonprofit organization has been
providing free basic assistance to hundreds of frail, older,
and physically challenged adults,
helping them remain safely in their homes.
With the help of hundreds of volunteers,
this assistance helps with transportation, chores, respite,
breaks, errands, and reducing loneliness.
These opportunities provide fulfilling experiences for those
who wish to volunteer as well
as support for those who need it.
The CDBG Safe at Home Project of IVC is part
of our larger chore
and repair system, repair program
for older and disabled adults.
The project was developed to provide additional chore
and repair services in communities
that allocate funding for this purpose.
Safe at Home allows us to assist low
to moderate income seniors with indoor
and outdoor chores, minor home repairs,
and routine housekeeping.
We identify individuals
who cannot do these tasks on their own
and have limited resources
and prioritize those with the greatest need.
We are requesting CDBG funds to increase the number
of low income citizens we can reach to grow our program,
as well as to coordinate the
volunteers who do these services.
IVC provides over 20,000 hours of help over all
of its services to nearly 500 people in need each year.
Although we have yet to be granted CDBG funding for Warren,
we have still been able to fill tour requests using funding
from other communities.
We were able to complete 41 tasks in Warren in the 2324
funding year, and we project at least
as many projects in the upcoming year.
And we are confident that the addition
of CDBG funding would allow us to assist many more residents
of Warren with this, this much needed service.
Examples of help through this project could be replacing
locks, washing windows, raking leaves, routine housekeeping,
installing smoke alarms.
There are lots of things our volunteers do,
and once they get to a house, they often go above and beyond
and do other things that need fixing while they're there.
We know that many great nonprofits have asked
for Warren's limited funding,
so any dollar amount would help us assist the Warren citizen
Warren residents who need the services
that our volunteers provide.
Thank you to the City council for your consideration
for adjusting the current pro proposed funding breakdown
to give us some of those funds.
If anyone here tonight knows of any seniors
who might use our assistance
or looking to give the gift of volunteering,
please let us know by calling our office
or visiting our website@ivcinfo.org.
Can I answer any questions for you,
Madam Chair?
Um, I would just, um, give you, um, little information.
If you're dealing with any folks that live in Warren
and you need a smoke detector,
our fire department will install them.
Okay. Free of charge.
They'll provide the smoke detectors
and if they still have them at the time, um, uh,
co detectors as well.
So that is available to anybody that lives in Warren. Great.
So keep that in mind. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Anyone else who would like to speak at the public hearing?
Okay. I'll close the public hearing
and turn it over to counsel for action.
No action. Did I see that was just public hearing.
Thank you. Motion to receive and file.
So moved. Support. Anyone?
Support. Support. I don't think we need to do that.
All in favor? A
Aye. Better
safe than sorry, I suppose. Next item.
Next item is 11.
A request to award contract ITBW 1349
to demolish one single family home located at 22 7 16
MacArthur and construct two new single family homes
at 22 7 28 MacArthur and 22 7 0 8 MacArthur Consideration
and adoption of a resolution. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Discussion.
Discussion. Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you. Through the chair to Ms. Chenko.
Good evening. Good evening, ma'am.
Just a and it's, it's really just to clarify, we're,
we're accepting the bid from Mando, correct?
Yes. And that's for $651,000 in change.
And they're constructing two homes?
Yes. Okay. They're demolishing one
and constructing two.
Alright. And is it expected
that there will be a loss on the homes
based on the amount spent on construction versus the
anticipated sale of the home?
Yes. Do you have an anticipated amount on the loss?
We're not exactly sure when the house is completely done.
We'll get it professionally appraised,
and then we list it at that sales price.
Um, we have two that are under construction in
that neighborhood right now,
and they're close to completion.
And we'll get an appraisal on those, uh, soon.
So we'll have a better estimate, um, at that time.
Historically, do you have a, a percentage? Perhaps?
Probably close to 20%, I would say.
Alright. It, I know we've, we've talked about this
before, that you know, it, it's great
to construct brand new homes.
Unfortunately, the cost of the materials, the labor, uh,
everything with the, with the rise in inflation is, um,
making the, the business case less sound.
And there, there's no way to avoid
a loss in these, in these areas.
Um, I know that we've, the monies are specific.
They have to be spent a certain way.
And once again, I mean, I know Ms. Moore
and I have been, uh, sitting on committee, uh, Ms.
rogenSi, uh,
and about taking the ARPA funds
that we've received and spreading them out so
that they're helping multiple homes, existing homes
before they get to a point that we have to demo them.
Um, I would love to be able to change the rules
on these and take that 20% loss, the amount of,
the amount of parcels that we could impact with
that 20% could go so much further.
We do have an owner occupied rehab program where we do,
you know, help homeowners, um mm-hmm.
Make their home improvements.
Unfortunately, the house
that we are demolishing was a tax rooted property, um, that
is just too far gone.
Um, and, you know, there was a lot of homes
that were demolished, um, several years ago.
And so our goal is to help rebuild that housing stock
with this program here.
Um, there's not a lot of development
that's occurring in South Warren,
and we'd love to help build up the neighborhoods.
Um, we actually built another house that's similar
to this one, um, less than a block away.
And we're helping to increase those values,
um, in those neighborhoods.
And we're hoping that that gap will close
with the more development that we make.
Absolutely. And I'm, I'm not voting to build a home
in south or two homes in South Warren.
I'm voting to build two new homes in the southern section
of the city, but not South Warren.
That has been. And it, it's not,
not directed at you in particular.
Uh, I'm not certain how that ended up on Google Maps.
The designation of South Warren continues
to be an irk.
We're one city. We don't represent,
we don't have a South Warren council.
We don't have a North Warren council.
We have one city that we represent.
And so I'm glad to see that we are continuing
to invest in all areas of our city.
And this is one great example of reinvestment, reinvention,
and hopefully the spark that creates, uh,
more investment in the homes around it.
So, thank you.
Any other discussion?
Hearing in seeing none? I'll call the question. Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes.
Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 B resolution, increasing retainer
for Kavanaugh Casada, PLC for legal defense
of contractor claim in City of Warren, project
WW TP 18 0 0 6 C.
Wastewater treatment plant nine mile road pump station,
consideration and adoption of a resolution. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Discussion, hearing, and scene. None.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries.
Next, next item is 11 C,
which was tabled on 2 25.
2025.
Requested the communications department
to waive the bid process and award inside out design
and development for furnishing developer
and website maintenance services for the city
of Warren's external website
for a two year period in an annual amount not
to exceed $15,000 consideration
and adoption of a resolution.
Motion to remove from the table.
Support to remove from the table.
Uh, all in favor to remove from the table. Aye. Aye. Aye.
Uh, item is removed from the
Table. Motion to approve
with discussion.
Support, uh, discussion Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you. So when we tabled this item, uh,
last two months ago now, there were several questions
that I had posed relative to the contract
and the resolution that we were asked to approve.
And Ms. Michaels was kind enough to write up a,
uh, an amendment essentially to the original bid.
It is all encompassing in all of the services,
and you should have the agreement it was, uh,
brought to you by MS.
Camp. The, the points that I want
to call out under recitals, item four, that this is, uh,
an amendment for two additional years of service
under the mutual promises.
Number two, the website acknowledgement
provides us an entire archival
and backup copy of the entire site, the content
and the, the web application.
Uh, number three, outlines that, uh, we retain all rights
to the content and the objects within the domain.
And if there's any, uh, database work that we own,
not only the content or the structure,
but the content as well.
Uh, we amended the number
of meetings at a minimum since their billing is quarterly.
I ask that, uh, inside out agree to at least once a quarter
for a meeting with the communications department.
They're not, uh, uh, limited to that number.
They can meet as often as necessary,
but they must have at least, uh, one meeting every quarter.
Uh, Mr. Noonan, you brought up the, the, uh, question on how
to terminate the contract.
Termination is now in the agreements.
It's, uh, 30 days written notice.
Uh, payment is not to exceed 30 grand and the,
Uh, The rest of it as is acceptable.
And the resolution, uh, that is, uh, there,
there really, there is no resolution
to this other than approving the agreement as is as written
and submitted to us tonight.
So I have no other, uh, comments on
that other than to thank Ms.
Michaels for your diligence in making the corrections.
Thank you.
Mr. Lafferty, are you finished? I'm finished. Thank you.
Ms. McGee. And then Mr. Nunan,
Um, I wanted to know the quarterly
meeting. Who would that involve?
That would be meetings between inside out
and the communications department, all
The communications. Okay.
So it's between the, the supplier and the,
and the clients, essentially.
Mr. Okay.
Um, so, um, as part of the, um,
Americans with disability, uh, transition plan, um,
we were considering in the last meeting, um,
making the website more a DA compliant.
And I, I think that it's a good thing that we're planning
so far, planning on sticking with this company
because they would be, um, helping to do that work.
And, um, just wanted to throw that in there.
Um, because, uh, for many people, they,
you know, they would depend on
reading lips if they saw a video.
Um, and, um, if there are, if there are images,
then if there's text which describes the image,
then they can have, um, devices, for instance, that can read
that off to them if they, if they can hear so and so forth.
There are a lot of different, uh, aspects to that,
but I think it's gonna be a good thing
to have this company continue to do it for that reason.
Thank you.
Anything further? Madam Chair? Mm-hmm. Ms. Warren. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Is this the company we met with was over the
EDA? Yes. A couple,
Couple years ago. Three
years ago? Yes.
Yeah. Thank you. Mr.
Lafferty, was this also, and you may have mentioned it
and I missed it, the sole source language
that was in there originally, is that still in there,
The sole source and Ms.
Michaels? Or is that just justified, I guess?
'cause that was the concern that I had brought up.
Yeah. The sole source comes from the, the original bids
that we are, we're continuing
to use the original bidder on the work.
They've been doing the work all of this time.
And it makes sense
unless we decide to go in a completely different direction
with a, a two year renewal, perhaps
with the, the, the work that Mr.
Newan was talking about, if we see
that it's not meeting our needs, we're, we're limited to a,
a two year contract.
But the, the thing is with the termination clause,
if we determine at any time with 30 days notice,
we can withdraw from the contract.
That's now in, that's the language now in this contract
that gives us the ability 30 days we're, we're unhappy
with this, and we can go back out to bid
and construct a new bid package, new requirements,
new specifications, and ask for bidders at that time.
Thank you. So we, we have all
of the protections that we need now.
Thank you. Any other discussion?
Hearing none, seeing none? I'll call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Sorry. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Then Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C as a? Yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is 11 D.
Um, requesting a 60 day license renewal for the AU
and medical licenses
for LMK capital LLC at 24 1 0 2 Wall Street, Warren,
Michigan 4 8 0 8 9. Motion to approve
Support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing, and scene? None.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Lyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 E.
Approve the settlement in the matter of Boho versus City
of Warren et all pursuant
to the terms discussed in closed session 4 7 25. So moved.
Support lap Call to question Ms. Moore. Yes.
Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 F um, approval
of the neighborhood enterprise zone certificates
for 22,708 and 22 7 28.
MacArthur. So moved. Support Lafferty.
Discussion Carrie, and seeing none. I'll call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey?
Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 a Council secretary Mindy Moore.
Discussion in Ray e-cigarette disposal.
So move with discussion. Support Lafferty.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you.
Um, I had a conversation with a resident a couple
of weeks ago who explained quite a journey.
He went through from the time he found, um, an e-cigarette
left on his front lawn.
He did not know what to do with that item.
He, uh, called around, nobody accepted them.
He went to a smoke shop. Um, they didn't accept them.
He finally, through all of this, he spent days trying
to figure this out and he did go to one smoke shop
and they said they would take it for $5.
And I'm sure that they took the
$5 and threw it in the garbage.
Um, I don't know if everyone knows this,
but these e-cigarettes have lithium batteries in them
and they are not supposed
to be put in the regular trash or recycling.
Um, I did find out that the, um, marijuana dispensaries
that are in other cities, um, they do accept the,
um, I'll call 'em the vape pen, for lack of a better term.
They do take them in.
Many of those do, but none
of the smoke shops we found in the area.
I did, uh, speak with Mr.
Melli and he was gonna try to put something together.
And if Mr. Call, Mr. Mazare up.
Good evening counsel. Uh,
after we discussed it, I asked Mr. Campbell to do kind
of a deep dive to see what we could find out.
Um, there are receptacles that we can buy.
They're kind of expensive.
They're about a hundred dollars a piece that they make.
There's no legislation in Michigan
that requires any kind of recycling.
We did find, um, there's a state legislature
or legislator that has put up a bill that is a, uh,
use of life bill.
Like, so if you sell something, you're responsible
for the use of life for it so
that it requires these smoke shops and,
and weed shops to, to um, take these items back.
Um, we would like to say maybe that we could meet with Mr.
Um, Schroeder and maybe talk to the, have him talk
to your lobbyist and maybe we could see if we can get some
traction behind that and see if we can get some support.
Um, we're not really sure where else we can recycle 'em.
Um, other than we had a few other options where we used
to recycle lithium batteries and household batteries.
Those options kind of dried up on us.
Um, they're really super expensive to ship these things.
O out of state, uh, which are the only recycling places
that take 'em is out of state.
So, um, it is possible, but there's a added cost.
We are working up to see how much it would cost us,
but the, the number of these things
that are out there is just un it's remarkable.
I mean the, the one that you see on the, the ground outside.
Um, but we, we see the need for it
and we'd like to help you come up
with a solution for this. Right.
Yeah. 'cause it's, it's the,
not just the batteries, it's the nicotine
That's left. Yeah. And those lithium
batteries are dangerous too.
You run 'em over with a lawnmower and they explode. Mm-hmm.
You know, and people, you know,
we see 'em on the grass all the time, so.
Right. So, okay. But
I, I'll report back. Alright.
Thanks To, to a resident. I have empowered.
Thank you. Thank you very much Mr.
Mazare. I appreciate it.
Madam President. Can I, Mr. Lack or Mr. Newan?
Yeah. Um, perhaps they could be stored in a shed.
Uh, kind of like nuclear reactor, uh, waste is, uh,
stored on the, uh, shores of our lakes
until we get a permanent, uh,
repository maybe inside of a mountain.
At any rate, that's, um, that's what we're doing
with our nuclear storage.
Maybe we, maybe we could add it to, uh, DTEs, uh, reactor.
Right? Oh, well, I mean, anything, it's, it's like stuff
that stays dangerous for a long time.
Maybe DTE could help us out with it.
I, I, I'm being somewhat facetious, but not totally.
Oh, Dave, would you like to say something? I
Actually, Mr. Kick could just
inform me, uh,
during our hazardous waste collection,
they will take those small lithium ion batteries.
So we could do a collection at,
you know, possibly at sanitation.
And maybe even if we get some of these small containers,
put 'em throughout the city, collect them,
and to have 'em go out on our hazardous waste day.
We're paying for the service anyway.
So maybe it's something we could add
to their residents. Yeah,
That'd be awesome.
Thank you. Anything further, further? I'm okay. Thank you.
Any other discussion? Thank you.
Do you want a specific motion?
No, I think we know the direction we're going.
I just wanted the resident to know
that we're actually doing something.
Okay. Next item.
Next item is 12 B Councilman
Jonathan Lafferty, uh,
discussion in right intergovernmental agreement
between the City of Center line and the city of Warren.
Warren Community Center. Motion to approve
Support Lafferty with discussion.
Discussion. Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you. I was, uh, contacted by a member
of the city council in the city of center line asking
for a status.
It's, it appears that, uh, city of Warren, uh,
has the administration has not, uh, responded recently
after, uh, repeated inquiries.
And so, uh, I said that I would bring that up this evening,
asking for the administration to reach out to our, uh,
the, what are they called?
The heart of Metro Detroit as their sign says, uh,
to our city, uh, within the city
and ask for, uh, ask them to provide a status to them.
So, and for those of you who may not know, there was a
previous agreement with the City of Center line
for their residents to use the, uh,
facility here at the Warren Community Center
at a reduced rate.
It was a subsidized rate.
Um, am I saying that correctly, Mr.
Muselli And that agreement, uh, expired?
It was not, it was intentionally not renewed
by the city of Central Line.
It was not on, on behalf of Warren.
And I guess the, uh, the, the
fervor has grown in the city of center line.
People want to come back, they want to use it,
and they would like to, uh, see if the opportunity
to have a discount for use of the center is, uh, achievable.
So just a, uh, asking for counsel to send a
resolution to the administration, asking them to, uh,
respond to the city of center line and make this a priority
and understand, uh, what, uh, what
that agreement could look like as far as a discount, uh,
or a subsidized rate to, uh,
the residents in the city of Centerline.
Madam President, Mr. Newton?
Uh, yeah. Uh, Councilman of Centerline.
Peter Ky had, uh, talked to me about something and,
and I thought it was a, uh, the idea was to share services.
And I was wondering, do you know of any services
that Centerline would have to offer
and return to, to Warren?
You don't know. I don't, I don't know any,
None that I would be aware Of.
I, I didn't know of any either.
I, I like their library and they have some nice parks,
but, um, I, I think it's, in general, it's a good idea.
He also mentioned the possibility of having a, um, a meet
and greet kind of dinner, uh,
between the two city councils at some point.
I thought that was a good idea, but anyways,
a little bit divergent from your point,
but we normally don't talk about center line, so
thanks. Thank
You.
Uh, Mr. Lafferty, do you just want a, a motion
to send this to the administration?
Yes. Just a motion to send to the administration.
Ask for a response and a report back to counsel. Madam
Chair, just to bring out,
we do cooperate with Center Line.
We have Mutual Aid with Center Line
Police and Fire, and mm-hmm.
So we do use share services. Yeah. That way.
Madam Chair, it would be my expectation
that any intergovernmental agreement would come
to council for approval.
Consideration and approval or consideration
for adoption. Mm-hmm. I should say
Any other discussion?
Hearing seen? None? I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes.
Mr. Lty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan?
Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is 13.
A request of the sanitation division
for an increase in budget appropriations in the amount
of $42,042 to cover cost to purchase.
832.
Additional 95 gallon trash recycling and compost bar cards.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution. So moved.
Support Dwyer.
Discussion, hearing and seeing none. I'll call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is?
Yes. Motion carries. Next item. Next item is 13 B.
Request requested the sanitation division
to purchase bar carts, add and lids through the source.
Well, cooperative contract 41 521 CEI in the amount
of $42,042.
Consideration and adoption of resolution. So moved.
Support Dwyer. Discussion,
Hearing And scene? None.
A call to question Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is notice of the appointment of Kurt Kirk.
Rain to the position of Director of Building
and Safety Engineering.
Apologies. Uh, Mr. Rain's name is misspelled on this.
It's REHN.
Is there a motion or support? Motion to approve.
Support. Anyone? Support. Support.
Ms. McGee Discussion?
Anyone? Madam Chair. Ms. Moore?
Um, in the last term, as many people will remember,
many of the political appointees
of the mayor were weaponized
and came in front of council.
And, um, were very, um, disrespectful.
Um, and, you know, I think most council people can take
that we've, you know, it takes a lot for us to get here.
And we've, you know, I've been doing this for 14 years,
a long time, um, as an elected official.
And, um, but I won't tolerate
anyone being disrespectful to the residents.
And at one point, um, at it was a, a, Mr.
Rain at the time was not a, an appointee.
He was a, um, um, a union employee.
Um, I just wanna be clear that, um,
I do empower residents when they call me.
Um, they give me information. I don't live on their street.
I don't drive on the streets. They drive every day.
I don't go to the same places.
They give me information
and we all gain information from residents.
Um, I didn't know e-cigarettes were a problem.
I've never found one on my front
lawn, but apparently they are.
And they were to this gentleman,
and he thought it was important enough to spend a lot
of time trying to figure out how to dispose of them.
There are other residents that do, for instance, Tony Baker.
We've all been talking about Tony Baker. Mm-hmm.
And hearing from Tony Baker for a couple of days now,
we all know Tony is severely disabled.
He is in pain every day.
Today was, was probably a bad day because it's cold
and rainy and wet.
And he wants the world to be better
for those that are disabled.
I have learned so much from him from trying not
to say the word handicapped
and trying to incorporate, um,
disabled into my everyday language.
And I am not, have got, not got it all yet,
but I'm really, really trying.
Um, everything I do, I try to keep in mind, um,
are we following those guidelines, um, that make it easier
for people with disabilities to live in this world of ours.
And, um, um, I have talked to Mr.
Um, Elli.
Um, just to go back a little bit, we sort of gave the mayor,
um, certainly I did the benefit of the doubt on one
of the appoint early appointments she made.
And it was someone that had fit the, you know, she
did things where I thought were illegal at the time
and very disrespectful to council.
We gave the mayor the benefit of the doubt.
But that person has continued that behavior.
Unfortunately, I have talked to Mr. Elli.
He understands my concerns. I talked to him a long time.
I was very upfront with how I felt.
And he has assured me that
things will not be like they were before.
And, um, that residents won't be treated badly.
We hope council won't be either.
Some cities count people, uh,
appointees get disciplined if they're disrespectful
to council with a strong Mayor.
Lansing does that. Um, and I am taking Mr.
Zai at his word. I have never known not
to take you for your word, Mr.
Zai. Um, we are very honest with each other.
I, if I tell you where I'm at, I'm at, I'm there or I'm not.
And so I just, you know, want to say that, um,
I am going to probably be a no vote.
Um, because I am, because of Tony Baker.
He is my friend. He's taught me a lot.
And he feels he has been wronged.
And my vote is going to be in support of Tony.
So that's where I'm at with that.
Thank you. Any other discussion
Madam? Ms. McGee?
Um, thank you.
I also talked to Tony Baker.
Um, he's part of the disability, uh, commission.
And also he, he says he's stepping down now.
Oh, he's never been on it. Oh, he's never, okay. He's asked
To be on it. He's not
Been asked. Yeah. He said
he's not gonna no longer approve,
I mean longer attend.
And so I asked him about his concerns,
and I also, uh, went to Dave, um, Marelli
to make a decision for myself.
And, uh, he assured me that, um, that, um,
that he would go through the proper training,
the a DA laws training
and make sure that he understands zoning as he should
and about the a DA rules and how to understand him
and follow them through.
Um, and he also will go through conflict, um,
resolution training that include, um, anger management.
And that's the same type of training that the Warren Police,
um, had used in their department.
And he understand the codes book also.
So that kind of may assure me that it would get better.
Um, I, I do not like the fact that, um,
the disrespect towards our constituents,
especially Tony Bak Baker, as well as our city council.
Um, but that would be enough for me to move forward
and I will be doing follow up.
Thank you. Any other discussion?
Madam President? I, uh, Mr. I also called, um, Ms.
Uh, director Elli.
And, um, got that information about how they would,
they're all, the whole department that, uh, does the, um,
the ticketing and so forth is gonna be taking that training.
Um, I am concerned about
the proper implementation, uh, going along.
If we're, um, if buildings, if, if parking lots are
need to come before the planning commission to be striped,
then they need to be striped correctly.
I understand. It's, uh, they could be in different colors.
There, there are a lot of different facets to this.
Um, in order to be, um, you know, for disabled people,
the signage has to be, uh, the correct.
And, uh, the thing about the directional, um,
the, I don't know the name for it.
When you're, when you're going down the ramp of a, of a
curb, if you are, um, a disabled person,
you should be able to tell exactly
what direction you should go in going across.
And it, it seems that maybe they're not right.
Um, the way they've been, uh, put in, in the city so far.
If so, then I hope that in the future they'll,
they will be done correctly.
Um, and I don't, like, I don't, I don't want
anyone who, uh, works for the city to be, um,
uh, treated badly verbally either.
So some of these things go both ways.
I, when I, uh, spoke to, uh, Kirk, which I did,
uh, I had some sympathy with him.
I, I used to have, um, a customer service job selling books.
Usually that would go well,
but you, you'd get nine complaints, um, into one compliment.
But, um, he assured me the, pretty much when you're,
when you're ticketing people, you don't get any compliments.
I was gonna compliment you on that. Right.
Um, and I, it seemed that, it seemed
that he had a fairly well balanced mind.
I I, I wasn't on the council if he was attacking the
council, um, inappropriately shaming us, um,
as an employee, I would say that would be,
uh, totally wrong.
If he, if he does that again, um,
it'll be very irksome indeed.
So, uh, I hope if he did that, I don't know.
That's, that's what I'm getting from your conversation.
And, uh, I plan on, uh, voting for him as my, uh,
motion indicated.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Nunan.
Madam Chair. Mr. Bokey, uh, I spoke with Mr. Baker today.
Uh, we exchanged our feelings and thoughts on the process.
Uh, even though we did not agree on some of it,
uh, we, we did talk.
Um, he made a statement to me
that kind of caught me off guard.
And basically he says, I'm gonna come out everybody
that votes CS on this in the next election.
Um, I'm not worried about that.
Um, I take the seats, I vote
for what's right for the city of Warren.
Uh, I may make, make mistakes,
but I'll live with those mistakes.
But that's, that's what the conversation was with me.
Now as far as the, uh, applicant here, um,
I don't know if there, there's a lot
of allegations that were made.
Um, I don't know if the administration has done a full
investigation background or not.
We have not been provided with it,
but I do have the application here,
and it says, read carefully before signing.
And it says, I further understand
that any misrepresentation, falsification,
or omission of pertinent facts will subject me
to discharge at any time.
And there's, there's other language in there too
that he has to comply with.
Uh, he signed it willingly and freely.
So if the facts are there, I think that, you know, he knows
that someone could make a complaint and be investigated.
Uh, evidently he feels he's right.
And I just wanted to bring these facts out, uh,
and I'll we provoked you.
Go back
Anything further, Madam President, Mr.
Lafferty? I echo the, the concerns of Ms. Moore.
Uh, I've, my first term on council,
I represented, uh, Mr. Baker as,
as his district representative.
I've spent a considerable amount of time, uh, with
his wife Dorothy and, and Mr. Baker in their home.
We've, uh, he's been through thick
and thin on a DA
and as I referred to him, the champion
of a DA in Warren.
He is the reason that we have a five year transition plan
that was approved by the previous counsel.
There is a, that plan
and the accompanying ordinance was dubbed the
Tony Baker bill.
That's how we passed it.
And it was meant with every single intention
that it was going to be fulfilled.
And although at the time I had zero
confidence that the previous administration was going
to take heed of anything the previous council put forward
that bill signaled the intention of
the city leadership at the time of this, of that council,
that we heard him loud and clear,
and that we recognized that the city needed to make changes.
Now, there, this is in no way discounting the work that Mr.
Maselli and his team has done to make changes
at city buildings.
But there is still much more work to be done.
The city has a five year transition plan.
It involved going out to every single business.
It involved extensive review of
accessibility throughout the city.
It involved extensive review of our zoning ordinances.
And as Mr. Newton mentioned, the parking lots,
we talked about that several times already in this term,
to ensure that things are being done properly.
Some of the changes that have been made at our city
buildings are minor,
but they make a big difference to people that have,
uh, assisted walking devices, wheelchairs, and,
and the sort to ensure that they have the same access
that you and I enjoy.
I was on the council when, uh,
those comments were made by Mr.
Rain. Uh, I too, uh, took, uh,
personal offense to the attack on Mr.
Bakker. An attack on any resident by any member
of the administration, by any member of, uh,
any employee of the city is unacceptable by any stretch.
And while I too trust the, the judgment of Mr.
Elli, uh, my vote will reflect.
Uh, and, and before I get to that
clarification on the motion that was made,
what is the motion being made?
What kind of motion is it? Madam Chair? Uh,
This is to con not confirm.
This is just to accept,
Receive File.
Yeah. Okay. It's not approved.
It's receive, receive and file. Thank you. This's. A denial
File. This is a motion to
receive and file. Alright. Okay.
So, 'cause it changes the rules based on the way the motion
is made with a receive and file motion.
Uh, I will be voting no in reflection of,
uh, previous experience
and the indication
that we have a significant amount of work to be done
and a watchful eye from this council on the appointments
by this administration.
Thank you,
Madam President.
Mr. Newnan. Um, I'd like to ask, uh,
director Maselli to step forward, please.
Good evening. Again, Thank you so much.
I'm getting the impression
that not everyone on the council is confident that
Kirk Rain, if appointed to be the building director,
would be a strong advocate for the work that needs
to be done in the transition plan.
I, I'd like to give you a chance to respond to that.
He's not here tonight, is he?
No, I asked him to stay. Uh, I told him to stay away.
Okay. Not to come tonight. Um, as Mr.
Ante, Mr. Kuk can, can confirm I hold my appointees
to a very high standard as well as all of their appointees.
Um, if there is no screwing around, there is no disrespect
to residents to counsel.
I don't, I don't accept that in my,
in my public service department at all.
Um, we just got rid of two employees last month
for an altercation they got into with residents.
That's unacceptable. I will not tolerate it.
I will not put up with it.
Um, and like I explained to almost, almost, I spoke
with almost every single one of you today, um,
or this week at least.
Um, I, I, I huge advocate
and positive training.
You know, I have all of my inspectors,
including myself and Mr.
Rain included, are going through, uh,
conflict resolution training.
Um, we've included now the rest of City Hall.
Everybody is asked to join
because they see that as a positive.
Um, we know Mr. Rain is Thompson in his field.
He was a recognized by the members of his field last year
as a, a, a chief inspector.
Uh, he won the best inspector in his field.
You know, he's constantly going to classes
and updating his knowledge.
Um, he's, he's my go-to guy when I have questions.
If you know, he's,
and to further your question earlier,
you've made a point about, uh,
things going through planning.
Planning is somewhat different than, than building planning
and building work hand in hand.
But they're two separate departments.
So he does advise though now with those parking lots,
and he fully accepts that responsibility.
And he looks forward to moving forward with it.
He's been very helpful in our a DA plan.
And we're just now, like, I,
like you witnessed in the last month's meeting,
we're getting to the point where we're putting out those big
bids and we're going to need his help moving forward.
He's been nothing but helpful
and he's helping us create a great
team in that building department.
And we're getting past the hurdles
that we've had created for us.
That is my main, my main concern, I think that, um,
is having made a mistake has, has definitely been made clear
to him through all this.
But whether he can be a strong champion
for the transition plan is really if, if he can't,
then we should really be finding someone else.
In the last year, he's shown me nothing.
But being a strong leader in that department,
What would be indicators on the ground of, of things
that have happened because of that?
Well, we've set the, the plan
to have the inspectors go out and stick with jobs.
Bless you. We stick with jobs.
And, uh, we were having issues
before with the inspectors bouncing around
and you would have a different
inspector go out and all this.
Um, so you would have, your electrical work would have three
different inspectors come out to it.
Now, when you have a a job,
he has one inspector stay with the whole job.
He's, he's implemented a bunch of different, uh,
safety protocols with these guys.
We make sure that everybody has their badges.
We've implemented new dress codes,
we've implemented new training facility
or protocols. Excuse
Me. Uh, would you mind
speaking a
little bit more into the microphone?
The mic? I have some problems with my hearing.
Sorry. Um, we've implemented new training protocols.
Um, you know, he was just made acting director
or not too long ago.
So he's, he's starting to move forward now with these plans.
I think we're, right now we've, he's given him the,
the ability to make these changes in his department.
And I've looked at his plan moving forward
and he, he's gonna be a great asset to the city.
Okay. So those were all about the building department.
I didn't really, it didn't click to me that any
of those were about the, uh, disabilities transition plan.
So he's just a, a part
of the disabilities transition plan,
just like all their other departments.
So he, you know, we consult with him,
but he's not the acting a DA person.
Um, our a DA person right now would be as actually, um,
uh, Kaitlyn, the attorney that we met with,
she's the person that we would go through.
Everything goes through her,
but everybody has their part on that panel.
We have myself.
Uh, there's public service, there's the engineers,
there's Parks and Rec, there's a building department.
There's, everybody has their part.
It's not one specific person
that's putting that charge through.
I'm gonna be personally very disheartened if he doesn't
come through as a very strong proponent in favor of getting,
getting that work for the transition plan done correctly.
Oh, absolutely. It's gonna be very
embarrassing for me personally.
No, absolutely. Who will be.
So, okay. Thank you. I, uh, I yield
Madam Chair. Okay. Uh,
Mr. Bokey, and then we're calling question.
I just wanna follow up, uh, what Councilman Lafferty said.
Uh, so the residents understand I'm not, uh,
attacking, uh, Mr. Baker.
Uh, in fact, I support him in his a DA.
Um, I went to quite a few demonstrations.
Uh, we talked about, uh, funds coming into the city,
and, uh, he is a pioneer.
Uh, a lot of things would not have been done
if it wasn't for him.
Uh, push it for him. And I just want to make that record.
Uh, I do have a question for you, Mr. Elli.
The appropriation,
and I'm keeping hearing different stories.
I haven't got a reply from Washington yet
that we received a million dollar appropriation from, uh,
from Congressman James office, and that's way some time ago.
What's the status of that?
So, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that is going,
it's gotta go through the community development office
because of, it's weird how the,
the federal funding has to go through.
There has to be some, uh, land study.
And then we're, I, I'm not, to be honest,
I'm not the person to ask on that.
It's, I'm not versed in the legalities of that money.
We are planning on spending it.
I know there's projects initiated for it.
Um, but, um, community development just left. So
From my understanding, all we have
to do is submit a plan Yes.
And receive the money. We're,
we're on the, in the works on that.
But no plan has ever been, uh, uh, presented
as of yet. Close.
No, we're in the works on that.
We've been in contact with his, his office on that. And
We didn't lose the money with any clawback or anything.
It's still earmarked,
Correct? Correct. We
have not lost the money.
Alright. So that's, that's a long time coming already.
And those are the things that get, uh, residents route up.
You know, we have, we have several, Ms. Harris,
I'm sorry, is with the signs here all the time.
And we wanna see improvements.
We're not seeing, we have several huge
jobs that are being bid out.
And right now, um, we had to have engineering firms that,
that, you know, look through the jobs
and make sure that we're, you know, the,
had the bid specs correctly.
Um, we, you know, we wanna make sure that we're good, um,
wards of the citizens' tax dollars.
We don't want to just go through and, and spend it.
We want to make sure that we assess. So
We could expect something pretty soon on
That. Absolutely.
Thank you.
There's a lot of stuff going
through the bid process right now.
I I just like, just say one thing quick if I may.
Then we're calling the question quickly. Okay?
Yeah. So Caitlin Murphy would be the right person
to direct, uh, many of these questions probably too.
Yeah. She would have those answers for you.
Because for instance, it wasn't just
straightforward to get the money.
Like, like John James didn't give her,
give the city a check.
Yeah. Yeah. The big check. The big check.
Didn't they had, they had to go and look for
what he was talking about
and hunt it down and they did. It's
Not that. It's, it's
above my pay grade. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Okay. Aye. Yield.
Thank you. Environmental, uh, call the question.
Motion to receive a file. Mr. Newan?
Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? No. Mr. Dwyer? Yes.
Mr. Bokey? Yes. Ms. Moore? No. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item. Next item is 13 D.
Proposed amended resolution to authorize ballot proposal
to renew Levy of 4.6176 mills for police
and fire safety protection millage
and request for immediate effect.
Immediate effect. So moved.
Support Lafferty with discussion.
Uh, discussion. Mr. Laffy?
Thank you, uh, through the chair to Mr. Schroeder.
Could you kindly, uh, take us through the change?
Uh, we receive this from Ms. Michaels.
Um, if I could ask for an assist from Ms.
Michaels, of course, if that's permitted.
Um, we received this just
before I did review it, and I did speak to Ms.
Michaels on the way in tonight,
and I know she's had a very busy day.
She's had long meetings
with the Attorney General's office on
Microsoft teams dealing with this issue.
And I think in the second paragraph you're explaining that,
um, it's slightly modified.
The numbers have changed,
and the ballot question format has changed
with the questions at the beginning. Is that correct?
That is correct. Mr. Sch? Yes.
Did I fill a buster long
enough for you to get to the microphone?
Yes. Thank you. Okay.
That's my understanding. So I, okay.
So we're, we're simply making a change in the mathematics.
That's part of it. Yes.
Um, March 11th, counsel approved the original resolution
to approve a ballot proposal at the August 5th election.
It went through an informal, very rigorous, informal,
informal review with the attorney general office.
They looked at the question, they just wanted the
question in the ballot proposal
to only be in the beginning, not at the end.
And sometimes whoever reviews has varying opinions.
So we, it's a fluid process every time we
seek the Attorney General review.
Mm-hmm. It's fluid, it changes.
But the office was very, very professional with us.
They did want council to adopt.
Even with that small change, they wanted council
to formally adopt the new resolution in
presenting it to council.
I reached out to the budget director.
And evidently when it was first presented, she has,
she had the estimated mm-hmm.
Tax rate at this time. She had the actual tax rate.
Tax rate. So there's a slight deviation,
and that's in the reflected in the ballot
proposal in the letter.
It's just a change from 4.6083
to 4.6176 mils mills.
And that actually increases the amount of revenues
that would be raised in the first year.
Mm-hmm. So there's a slight increase.
And the ballot proposal is
ballot question now contains the actual amounts
that will be in effect July of 2025.
Okay. Yeah.
'cause I rem I remember we talked about
if a ma a material change came through that we would be,
we would be required to approve it.
But this, this is a change
of about $40,000 in the first year.
Yes. But it's a change to an amount.
And the Attorney General did, did request
that counsel formally adopt any change.
I, and I have no objection to that. It's, thank you.
It's nice to have the, the transparency,
uh, for something like this.
And, and the structure, the,
the question will just be at the top, correct.
As as opposed to the bottom.
Correct. Yes.
And if I may add one thing, one of the, um, components
of the informal review is to make sure
that our millages do not exceed the legal limit.
Mm-hmm. 'cause otherwise we'd have to seek a vote
of the people to raise our legal limit.
And through the process, we were able to give reassurances
that we are still below the 20 mil limitation.
Okay. I have no other questions. Thank you, Ms.
Michaels. Thank you Mr. Schroder. Thank you. Thank
Any other discussion,
hearing and seeing none?
I will call the question. Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is audience for general topics.
Members of the audience who would like
to address the council this evening may do so
by filling out an audience form on
the right side of the stage.
You have three minutes.
Uh, this is for general topics,
and if you need assistance with the clock, let me know.
First up is Jim Campbell
Chair. Mm-hmm. Um,
council members do have photographs
that Mr. Campbell sent.
Thank you. If you'll look on your computers via email.
Yes. Correct.
Hello, everybody. Hello. Hello.
Mr. Campbell, this is Trinity Church. Is that right?
Correct. Trinity Lutheran Church.
Thank you. Um,
I guess I don't really know where to start here.
I went to a meeting and they suggested
that I come and talk to you guys.
My, I guess I should start out
that there was a house on the street behind me
that was wanted to be a duplex.
And all of us were notified and we could come
and say, yay nay.
They opened up a homeless shelter, literally
between my property line.
And it is a lawnmower and a half.
None of us were notified when this opened.
There are a hundred plus individuals
every single day.
My home is a nightmare. I have had knives drawn on me.
Bullets shot at me fighting out in the road.
You see the pictures? That's just a sample.
They're not allowed on the church property until 6:00 PM
Where do you think they're gonna be?
My house is the closest to it.
I have a 40 foot long carport.
They hide under it for shelter. I get it.
I feel for him. This is my home.
I can't even sell my home because of this.
They look in my windows.
There's a video that I shared with Mary.
I am laying in my bed.
That is what I hear outside my bedroom window.
I am living in a nightmare. I am a senior. I am disabled.
I contacted the mayor not to disrespect her.
She was very disrespectful to me.
I, she told me that the city
of Warren has a legal obligation for that to be there,
but no legal obligation for my safety.
Then she proceeded to go into telling me, which had nothing
to do with it, about how,
because of her deceased mother, she became a school teacher.
And I asked her, why are we talking about this, ma'am? This?
And then I see on the news where the Mabel library,
the same problems that are going on there, it's closed down.
And then now you have a security guard there with them.
I have to, every single day pick up syringes outta my yard.
Liquor bottles. It, it's crazy.
My home is a nightmare.
And I even told that the assessors up there.
If you wanna give me what you have,
what it's assessed at, it's yours baby.
Live there. They suggested that I come
and ask you guys to please put up a barrier between us
so I don't have to listen to that.
I put up a, I hired somebody to put a
Mr. Campbell.
Yes, you are at three minutes at, at the end of audience.
If you have a seat, we can respond.
Madam Chair, can we suspend the rules? Sure. Please.
And let sure. 'cause we're all very interested in this.
This, this has been a topic
of something I'm concerned about.
Support. Yeah. Just give an additional time.
Do you want me to go sit down? Well,
Nope. Hold on one second.
Um, mo rule motion to suspend the rules.
Suspend the rules. All in favor. Aye. Aye. Thank you.
Rules are suspended. Go ahead and continue.
I hired somebody to put up a, it's a,
like a vinyl along the fence.
They have tore it all up.
I, I, I don't know what to do. I really don't.
I I can't sleep at night.
I mean, you see some of the pictures,
they're all in my front yard.
I'm worried. What if they fall? I'm gonna be liable for it.
They literally go through my yard.
I, I'll give you an example. I opened up the back door.
The man that you see standing there peeing on the church,
was leaned up against my garage,
defecating on the ground in my backyard.
The one that you see with the scarf on him.
He pees on my house all the time.
How would you like to live like that?
I take pride in my home.
I don't care if I live in Southmore. I take pride in it.
I bought that home with knowing there was a
church next door to me.
Not a homeless shelter. I can't sell my home.
I've tried two times now.
Soon as they find out it's a homeless shelter, no.
What would you guys do?
Even the police, when I call them,
they tell me to talk to the mayor.
I told the police that.
She says that she has a legal obligation to keep this open.
The police tell me, I didn't realize Warren
was a sanctuary city.
I get it that we have a homeless problem. I do.
But this is my home.
Respect my home.
If you will close down a public
library, why won't you help me?
I don't know what else to say.
Thank you. We, uh, see what options are available,
um, in our response,
but also, we'll, we'll see what we can do.
You, you are a hundred percent correct.
None of us would wanna live that way.
And No, certainly we, we would, we live in the city.
We would not want that to be in our backyard
as well. So please know
That we, the man, the wheelchair that was out
there, I thought he was dead.
Mm-hmm. I went out there, he pulled a knife on me.
Yeah. If you, if you hang out for a moment, um,
we'll certainly get some information
and see, um, what our next steps might be.
I would appreciate it. I really would.
I, I, like I said, I've never had,
I've been warned my whole life,
never have I dealt with anything like this.
And thank you so much for providing the pictures.
It's super helpful.
All righty. Do you want me to wait?
Yes, please. Next
is Lori Harris.
I'm giving to you
Mr. Campbell.
I am so sorry that you're going through that.
And I am so sorry.
I apologize on behalf of the residents
that the mayor treated you that way.
That's despicable.
I, um, want to talk about the Kirk Rain thing.
I understand it was a receive and file.
Um, I do think that, um, what got ignored is
the fact that he has been the acting director
for a year and four months.
And he has not been a proponent of the a DA transition plan.
Um, and if we're not seeing any change in just
the basics, just access to buildings, which is parking
and doorways, um, what are we gonna see different?
And there's no way to measure it.
There's no way to measure it.
So you've approved, essentially let the mayor appoint him
with promises of all the classes they'll take.
But I didn't hear anything in the classes about
the A DA law.
Um, I heard conflict resolution, anger management,
nothing about a DA law.
Um, a couple
of the other things I wanna talk about is in terms
of appointments, it's really interesting
that we still have a convicted felon on the housing
commission who also owes a lot of money to the city.
Now, how does that keep happening? Why is that not changed?
So I'm calling on Mayor Stone to do something about this
because this is unacceptable.
Um, I also wanted to know, I remember in September
that there were two homes that were really ready
to be demolished.
And, uh, Mr.
Lizza came and, uh, there was gonna be a date certain
to March 26th.
I believe that these,
there should be an update on these homes.
So I drove past the home on Prospect and the home on hel.
And I'm wondering,
did the council get any update on those homes
and what the progress is?
Uh, if they've, uh, uh, so that was six months date certain.
I re I do recall that.
And, um,
I just feel discouraged that a gentleman like this has
to come and tell you this and feel so hopeless.
And my situation is certainly not like his,
but I've experienced essentially being told
as a homeowner, you have no, you, you can't, uh,
control what happens next door to you.
And, um, and, and in a lot of different ways.
And it's really demoralizing when you have no control over
your own property and what happens.
And I have 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. Thank you.
Thank you. That's the end of audience. Next item.
Council response to audience. Madam Chair Ms. Moore.
Thank you. Um, Mr. Campbell,
I feel terrible about your situation.
Um, last year, um, a former councilman
and I, uh, drove through the neighborhood
and we knocked on a couple doors to see
how everybody felt about that.
Nobody was home that day. I didn't go back. I should have.
I apologized for that.
Right, right. I, I know that.
And I, and I've, you know,
I've heard from other police departments
that when they bring people there, residents are yelling,
you know, don't, don't bring your people here.
We have enough problem. I don't think,
I don't think the shelter should be in a neighborhood.
I think it should be, we should do something with our zoning
to change it so that they are, excuse me, let me just,
let me talk for a minute and then we'll get to you.
Okay. After we're done.
Um, because I'm gonna try
to figure out maybe something we can do.
I don't, I think we should do something with zoning.
Um, that, that would maybe cure some
of the problems we're having with businesses in the area.
Business have problems too, because when they,
the residents come out of the, of the, um, Trinity,
then they go to the businesses on Van
D**e, and I know they're cold.
I don't want anybody to be cold. And, and,
but you have a home here.
You, you are owed quiet enjoyment
of your home and you're not getting that.
And that is a violation to me of you.
And maybe we can do a zoning, something that, you know,
places are not in a neighborhood for one
or close to businesses that will be impacted.
Um, I don't know.
I had heard earlier that, um,
that there were gonna be changes that every day.
That's what I heard. That every day they go up
and down the street and pick up the trash out
of na out of that.
That's what we were told. We were told that.
And I will tell you, we have a lot of police
and fire calls there,
and the fire department has to be accompanied
by the police when they make a call there.
Because of the rough treatment.
The fire department encounters by people that are there.
I think it's a problem. Um, and,
and we, we, I
Two police officers.
I know, I know. I, and we all feel for you up here.
Um, and you know
what's happened two years in a row, now all
of a sudden it's frigid weather
and no plans in advance have been made
to deal with these problems.
And we were out of options
because we can't let people freeze on our streets.
And that was, we couldn't do much.
We didn't have any options.
We can't afford as a city to house everyone
and to provide the services they need.
We have to, this administration has gotta come up
with a plan and we'll help anything we need
to do legislatively zoning or whatever.
But you're, I agree.
I'm, I am a hundred percent,
a thousand percent agree with you.
Now, are residents still,
are people still coming there as much?
Um,
so they're,
Is the, are the porta johns still there? Yes.
The ports are still there.
Literally backyard there.
I did come to this house.
I, Right, right. Yeah.
There's so something's gotta be done.
They, they've gotta be held.
The police, whoever's running that needs
to be held accountable for anybody
that's off of their property.
Yeah. Right. Trespassing on your property.
Well, maybe, maybe somebody in authority more than you or I,
but maybe somebody in this city with authority needs
to go over there, redirect
and read 'em the right act and say, guess what?
Or we're gonna close you down tomorrow if you're not
taking care of this place.
Yeah. So I would, let's make a motion, a motion
to send a, um, a letter to the administration that, um,
you know, we can send these pictures.
Um, maybe say what chair? Oh, Mr. Schroer.
This, this situation, um, is a public nuisance.
Our code
of ordinances addresses public nuisances in chapter 21.
And the situation allows for
either the city attorney
or even the prosecuting attorney, the county.
If the city attorney doesn't want to act to enforce this,
the proper starting point, given that the city attorney
has authority un under the public nuisance
to bring an action, would be to ask the city attorney
to the city attorney's office.
We have an acting city attorney to send a letter, um,
describing that there's a public nuisance on the property.
And ask them to meet
and come up with a plan to, um,
eliminate this public nuisance
within a certain period of time.
Or face an action where they will be ordered
to either shut down or, you know, control this nuisance.
Um, it's civil, it's very difficult
for the police department
because this is, there's criminal activity occurring.
Certainly, um, you know, urinating and defecating
and property is a crime.
There's other minor crimes happening,
but overall, it's a civil issue
where it's a public nuisance affecting
not just the quiet enjoyment of the property,
but it's the, his health, safety and comfort as well.
So this is a classic public nuisance.
The city attorney's officer should be engaged. Ms.
Michaels was here. Um, she did have to leave.
Um, she texted me that she had to leave.
Um, but my recommendation would be
to ask the legal department, which is responsible
to the council, to, uh, send a letter
and to ask for a meeting to have this abated,
to give them an opportunity
to fix it within a short period of time.
And if they don't fix it, then
to face possible consequences under the public nuisance.
That, that would be my recommendation. What
He said.
So What he said, I forget how good you are.
Well, no, it's just, it's just, I get
Caught up In my own words. No,
it's just that this is, this is,
this is certainly a violation here.
And so,
Yeah, I just got a message from the person I went
to the neighborhood with and he said, that's the guy
that had that really nice house.
I don't care. No, I love, I like it.
I take care of Michael.
We appreciate that. We do.
So, so let's, let's do what Mr. Schroeder said a motion.
We'll, so I'll make a motion to adopt, um, Mr.
Schroeder's, um, suggestion.
And if we could send that over to the attorney's office.
Is there a support for additional discussion?
I'll support that. Okay.
And Madam Chair Uhhuh, uh, Uh, Madam Secretary,
the, you were going down the, the road
with the zoning ordinances
and to include a review
of applicable zoning, uh, ordinances
that would apply to this.
This started off as a religious institution.
Brick walls separating a parcel from a residential
area is, this is no different.
This has a, a chain link fence between the residential zone
and the, the zone for a religious institution.
It started off as a religious institution.
And it is taken on the services that have grown beyond
what it was initially intended for some, if,
if we were presented with, uh, a, a
use case like this, there would be walls
and separation of the two districts of the two zones,
those would've been taken into account.
This is kind of matured over time. Mm-hmm.
And that's how we're finding ourselves in this situation.
So if you could include an amendment to include the,
the zoning, Mr. Schroeder,
Now, if I recall correctly, when council met
in conference room B in the middle of winter, um,
and the zoning issue was discussed, I believe the council
permitted some homeless shelter funding
to move forward on the condition that this,
the administration would bring back some zoning ordinance
amendments that would address that.
So I think that has already been requested by the council.
I don't know if those, it was, have those
amendments come back?
Of course. So let's, so let's do that again. Okay.
Mr. N you had Mr. Lafferty anything further?
That is all Mr. Yeah, I, I hope that the idea of, uh,
some responsible person with a lot of authority going
and challenging their leadership to say, this needs
to to be fixed or else, I don't know exactly how, you know,
how would you, um, assure that that happens?
Some, you know, some specific person is
accountable for doing that.
And also I think someone should be responsible for getting
to back to our dear citizen on a regular basis
to make sure that he's okay,
because this is not okay to have people pulling, uh, knives
on a disabled senior citizen.
This is a black mark on our, on our city. Mm-hmm.
And it has to be put in very serious language. I think
I had a question.
Aye. Thank you Ms. McGee.
Um, have they put any signage around there?
Signage such as, um, stay off property.
This is a private property.
Says that they're not allowed on the property until 69.
Okay. I'm talking about on your property.
Is there, are there any signage?
I was told not to put, I have a small,
but I was told not to.
You do have
Oh, that's what I needed to know. We need
To thank you Because it sounds as if he, um, he's,
he needs some immediate assistance
and some type of barrier need to be put up immediately
Through.
And the area behind me, there's electricity and water
and they out there.
Oh no. And it through to it.
Yeah. You need to have a barrier.
Anything further, Ms. McGee? Aye
Mr. Nunan?
Yeah. If, if one, one person is coming forward,
there are probably 10 more that are faced
with similar situations.
So this is a neighborhood problem we really need, we need
to have a strong response here. Thank you.
Thank you Mr. Ranan. Any, any additional discussion?
Madam? President Uhhuh?
Yeah. In regards to, um, Mr. Campbell, um, yeah,
nobody should be subjected to what you're subjected to
with all the events you, um, mentioned tonight to us.
Um, I know you've went to the mayor's office, tried
to seek some sort of resolution there.
But I, what I would suggest if you really want
to get things done is go to police administration, explain
to them once again the situation
and all the events that have occurred there.
I mean, the knife itself,
and you're talking about felonious assault,
and I think if you go to the administration, lay it out,
what's been going on, maybe give them timeframes
and again, the specifics.
Um, I know they're shorthanded.
We're like 21 down right now, soon to be close to 25 down.
But I think, um, they would probably certainly be able
to do some sort of selective enforcement in that area
and give more special attention to the immediate area
and everything around you because they're trespassing.
I mean, that's a violation right there.
Not to mention the disorderly conduct
with the urinating in public. And
Well, the mayor promised me
and giving me a personal number
person.
Well, that, that's why I suggest go, go to the police,
contact police administration,
let them know what's going on,
the magnitude of the problem there.
And I can't say any reason why they
certainly wouldn't address this
Much more than TPAs there on.
Sure. The use of narcotics. Oh, yes.
You know, paraphernalia. I mean, you're looking at,
you know, all kinds of different violations there.
Certainly,
I literally have to pick up needles outta my yard.
I can cc the police on the result. Thank you.
And, and Madam Chair, we do have a pretty high ranking
official here from the police department, a captain,
and I'm sure he will relay the information he heard tonight.
Right. Right. Captain, thank you.
That's All I have. Thank you.
I will call the question Mr.
One addition. Madam Chair, we have not only this shelter,
we have two others operating in the city.
It may be, uh, wise to include the review
of what's happening here mm-hmm.
And apply it to, to all three to ensure
that they're all covered under the same rules.
I think that's great. Thank you.
Um, I will call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Uh, Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Mr. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Thank you. Next item.
So, uh, adjourn adjourned. Motion to adjourn. Support.
Support. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed?
We are adjourn. Thank you.