I am now calling to order a regular meeting
of the city council, Tuesday,
June 24th, 2025 at 7:00 PM Please
stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge Alle allegiance to the flag.
To the flag of the United States of America
And to the republic for it. Stands
Stands, one Nation
Under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
For all.
Roll call Madam Secretary Councilwoman Rogan C.
Here, Councilman Councilwoman McGee? Here. Councilman Dwyer?
Here. Councilman Bokey. Present. Councilman Noonan. Present.
Councilman Lafferty. Here. Councilwoman Moore is present.
We have a quorum. Next item.
Next item is adoption of the agenda.
So moved with discussion.
Consent. Consent. Agenda
Support. Yeah.
Sorry.
Uh, so moved. Thank uh, support Lafferty.
Uh, discussion. Madam Secretary? No, no discussion.
Oh, no discussion. Okay.
Um, any other discussion, hearing and scene? None.
I'll call to question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is adoption of the agenda.
So moved with discussion.
Support, Ty. Discussion Madam Secretary.
Thank you, Madam Chair.
At the request of the administration, we are removing item
13 D.
Um, and I would like to add item 12 C,
discussion regarding civil service reform
as 12 C.
They're okay.
Any other discussion, hearing, and scene? None.
I'll call to question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is six. A calendar of pending matters.
Motion to receive and file
Support Lafferty Discussion,
Hearing And seeing none.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is seven.
A approval of the bills
of the General revenue funds. So moved.
Support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing, and seeing none.
I'll call to question Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. Uh, McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is seven B.
Approval of the bills of the water and sewer system.
So moved. Support Dwyer.
Discussion, Hearing, and seeing none.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is eight.
Audience participation, uh, for agenda items only.
Members of the audience who would like to address, uh,
city council this evening may do so
by filling out an audience form, uh,
at the right side of the stage.
Um, you have three minutes.
This audience is for agenda items only.
There's an additional three minutes at the end
for general, uh, audience.
If you need assistance
or accommodations with the clock, uh, please let me know
and I will give you a countdown.
First up is Lori Harris.
Sorry, try again. Got it.
Got it. Lori Harris, and this is going to be very brief.
I am delighted to see Creon
as an item on our discussion.
Um, people probably don't know a lot about it, um,
the dangers associated with it,
and it's being sold in smoke shops, in gas stations.
And we do need, we, I hope the discussion is
regarding finding a way to, uh, uh,
make people aware that this is also fueling an opioid issue.
Thank you.
Next is Curtis Ash. Josh,
Good evening Council.
Curtis Osh, um,
addressing issue 12, a town center.
You know, this council really botched the Town Center
project several years ago.
You know, right here in this auditorium, out of town
consultants and people flew in.
You guys wouldn't even hear them listen to them.
Um, God only knows how much money was spent on that, but
because of the nastiness in your, your, uh,
attitudes towards the administration,
you just put a big kibosh on it.
Four years of delays, four years of nothing.
All of a sudden, now it's all of a sudden a good idea
to have a, a town center.
It is a great idea to have a town center.
Many successful cities have a town center, have a downtown.
I mean, you guys pushed back progress
and war in probably five years just
because of your hardhearted stupidity towards not wanting
to work together with other people within the city.
So here we are. It's on the agenda.
Everybody now thinks it's a great idea.
Why couldn't we just amend or work with what we had before?
If there was some objections, if there was some alterations,
or if there was modifications necessary,
why couldn't we just all live together and work together
and make it work five years ago?
But we kicked the can down the road.
Van D**e continues to deteriorate from eight
mile to 12 mile road.
Nobody cares. Vacant buildings, vacant places,
vacant spaces.
We haven't done anything. And here we are.
We're gonna bring it back up as a, as a live issue.
When you guys just wanna fight.
You guys just have ideas in your hearts
and minds that if you don't like somebody,
you're not gonna work with him.
Gosh, that sounds familiar.
That's the way you guys treat me.
Somebody that's been in the city for 33 years,
and that's all you wanna do is wipe 'em out.
That's what you did with the previous administration,
successfully got rid of him
and his ideas of the town center,
which he brought forth to this body.
And you guys pushed his ideas out, pushed the plan out,
wouldn't work with anybody, took 'em to court repeatedly.
Wow, that sounds familiar, doesn't it, Mr. Schroeder?
If you don't agree with that, somebody Oh,
you sue him and screw 'em.
That's such your job is,
I don't even know why you're up there.
Mr. Schroeder, Mr.
Oshkosh, please direct counsel
to counsel. Not Mr. Shorter.
Oh. Oh, okay.
Well, no, I'm just suggesting that's that's the way this,
uh, city operates because that's been my experience.
Um, you know, let's, uh, let's just make problems for people
because, um, we can, we don't like somebody,
we'll just have nastiness and, um, and problems
and create so much problems. Let's hope they go away.
You're at time. Thank you. Next is Jerry Bell.
I have to, I have to agree with, uh, pastor Curtis,
I mean, for the past four or five years,
and I'm gonna single you out.
Um, Angela Rogan, c Mindy Moore, Jonathan Lafferty,
as well as, uh, whatever you are,
city Attorney as you claim.
But, uh, I'm gonna single you all out
because this is not on the rest of the council.
This is on you four.
You fought with the mayor, you fought with him
over this whole downtown project.
You had a bunch of businessmen in here that wanted
to talk and wanted to explain to the council exactly
what they're doing, what their plans are in terms
of the downtown, and you fought with them.
So now you wanna bring it up. Why?
What's the motive? What is it?
Mindy Moore, you fought with the mayor,
you're trying to fight with this mayor, with the new mayor.
You guys aren't right at all.
And I come up here to the podium every other week
pretty much exposing you all for the wrong that you do.
And don't think, Ms. Moore, I see you up there laughing
and you know, you always have a laugh on your
face for some reason.
This is why you're an evil person
and this is what we know to be a fact.
So let's see what you are gonna, you
and Mr. Schroeder and Lafferty
and Angela, let's see
what you guys got up your sleeve tonight.
You don't have the mayor, the former Mayor,
mayor Fouts to fight with anymore.
So let's just see what's gonna happen tonight. Thank you.
Next is Al Copper stock. Is that how you say it?
You can come up to the podium.
Can you hear me? We can hear you.
I can't read your handwriting.
Well, how do you pronounce your last name?
Copper Stone. Copper Stall.
And then what is item, are you addressing
My park?
Your park? Is it on the agenda this evening?
I don't know. I'm, I'm a vet that lives at,
I'm a disabled vet that lives at 8 7 0 9 Tofa Road,
across the street from that big park.
And I just want to address it a little bit.
Okay. Um, hold on one second.
Um, have a seat for me one moment.
And I'm gonna call up one other gentleman about the agenda
and, um, I will give you some additional in instructions.
Mr. Vander Linn, and you can come up.
Joel Vander, longtime wor resident.
I'm on the other half. I wanna thank Ms. Moore, Mr.
Lafferty, Mr. Bokey, Mr.
Uh, Dwyer,
and, uh, our attorney for fighting the mayor,
for doing the right thing, for fighting for the people,
for standing up for the common citizen
and stopping them from just blowing money, using it
for whatever they wanna do,
and taking the Mayor Fouts to court.
And now we have the same problem again with this Satanic
atheist, socialist Mayor.
We need to take care of the court.
We need to put our foot down on her.
Now, the reason I came up here was about all these, uh,
houses for sale, property for sale,
we gotta get out of the real estate business.
We have a land bank, we have other groups, whatever
that can take care of that stuff.
You know, with all these dollar sales, we, we always feel
as the public that there's something going
on behind the scenes.
Illegal. We had the thing with Judge Toya
and other properties and stuff.
Let's get outta the real estate business
and leave it to somebody else.
That's my concerns, my thoughts.
And God bless America. Thank you.
Amen. Thank you.
That is the end of audience for agenda items.
Mm-hmm. Next item.
Next item is Announcements nine, a Army resolution.
Um, Madam Chair, um, Mr. Uh, Dwyer asked us to put this on.
I don't know if he would like to read it.
Yes. I would like to, uh, read this proclamation
into the record in recognition
of the United States Army's 250th birthday,
whereas on June 14th, 17th 75,
the Continental Congress established the continental army
marking the birth of the United States Army
and laying the foundation for
what would become the most powerful
and respected land force in the world.
And whereas for 250 years, the United States Army has stood
as a symbol of strength, resilience,
and unwavering commitment to the defense of our nation
and the preservation of freedom around the globe.
And whereas the brave men
and women of the United States Army, past
and present, have answered the call to serve with honor,
courage, and selfless dedication,
often at great personal sacrifice.
And whereas the Army's legacy is built upon the values
of loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service,
honor, integrity,
and personal courage, which continue to guide its mission
and inspire future generations.
And whereas the city of Warren is proud to share in
that legacy as the headquarters of the Detroit Arsenal,
now known as Tecom, loaded, located at 11 Mile
and Mound since World War ii.
Whereas on this occasion, we express our deepest gratitude
to all who have worn the uniform of the United States Army
and reaffirm our commitment to supporting our soldiers,
veterans, and their families.
Now therefore, be it resolved,
the Warren City Council acknowledges the United States
Army's 250th birthday held on June 14th, 2025,
and encourages all citizens to honor the service
and sacrifice of our soldiers,
and to reflect on the Army's enduring contributions
to our nation, as well as our city's history and future.
This resolution declared, adopted June 24th, 2025.
Motion to approve Support.
All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? Mr.
Go ahead. Just as a, as a side note, as many of you may
or may not know, the United States Army was formed the year
before we became a country
and helped to greatly help to put us where we are today
as the United States of America. Thank you. That's
It. Thank you. Thank
you. Motion carries. Next.
Any other announcements?
What the army hearing and seeing none.
Next item. Next item is 10 A,
which is a public hearing request to review
and confirm special assessment role 5 42 relating
to 25,488 Chainer, demolition of a house
and accessory structure through the nascent
nuisance abatement program, consideration
and adoption of a resolution public hearing.
Thank you, Mr. Liz, if you could summarize the item for us.
Yeah. I wanted to, um, state that this was not a house.
This was a commercial building
that came down on 25 4 88 Shaer, just for the record.
Thank you. And it is, and it is gone
and demolished and finaled
Out. Thank you.
Is there anyone
that's here on behalf of the petitioner?
This is, um, yeah. Thank you
Madam Chair. Mm-hmm.
There, there's already been a public hearing.
It is listed as a public hearing. Right.
So there's probably nobody here for
This. Thank you.
Um, so I will open the public hearing.
Is there anyone from the audience
who would like to speak on the matter?
Okay. We'll close the public hearing
and turn it over to counsel for action.
Motion to approve Support. Any discussion?
Okay. Hearing scene? None. I'll call the question. Uh, Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey?
Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 10 B, which was tabled to today.
Administrative hearing, um, took place previously
consideration and adoption of a resolution
to approve the demolition of a house
and garage located at 2 1 0 6 5 fer
through the nuisance abatement Pro process.
Madam Chair, uh, I'd like to keep this on the table.
I spoke to Mary Michaels earlier today about this,
and there is additional work to be done.
So I'd like to, uh, make a motion to table this. It's
It's table.
I'm sorry. It's table right.
I just wanna keep it on the table on the
until next. Uh, okay. You have to have a motion
To speak. Thank
you. Next item.
Next item is 11.
A proposed ordinance to amend Chapter two of the code
of ordinances, use of the city seal and city logo.
Second reading.
So, move discussion. Yeah.
Support. Thank you. Discussion Mr. Lafferty.
I'd like to also table this item
and I would like to table this until, uh,
until July 22nd, 2025.
Okay. So support.
Thank you Ms.
Uh, let's see. Mr. Lafferty?
Yes. The table. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes.
The table. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
The table Rogan C is a yes. Item is tabled. Next item.
Next item is 11 B.
Proposed amendments to chapter seven of the code
of ordinances relating to the treatment of animals.
Second. Reading. So moved. Support Dwyer. Discussion,
Hearing, And seeing none.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Uh, let's see. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 C.
Consideration and adoption
of a resolution approving the revised allocation plan
for home a RP funding. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Discussion,
hearing, and seen none.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is
DDD 11 D.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution approving the
sale of two single family homes owned by the city of Warren
to an eligible household of low to moderate income
through the city's direct home buyer assistance program.
Locations of the properties to be sold are 1 23 2 30, Boham,
Warren, Michigan, 4 8 0 8 9
and 2 2 3 2 4 0.
Boem, Warren, Michigan 4 8 0 8 9.
Motion to approve E one
or D one
Support Lafferty with discussion.
D one is, which address? 2 3 2 3 0 2 3 2 3 0.
Thank you. Uh,
A motion by Moore and support by Lafferty. Discussion?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you. Through the chair to Ms. Shanko.
Good Evening. Good evening, ma'am.
Uh, just one question.
Did we have, uh, are we expecting
to take a loss on these homes versus the construction costs?
Yes. What is the, uh, the percentage?
Um, Or the, the totals if you, if you have
Them? Well, the construction
of the projects, um,
we're talking about 2 3 2 3 0 boem.
Um, so the project cost $294,464
And we're expecting to sell these for 200 grand.
Yes. That's the appraised value.
Okay. Almost.
Alright. And this the same for the next home.
Um, the other home was 284,424.
So yeah, both of them will be a loss.
Okay. Thank you very much. I have no other questions.
Any other discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Grogan C as a? Yes. Motion carries.
Next item, motion to approve D
11 D 2, 2, 3, 2 4.
Warren, Michigan 4 8 0 8 9. Motion to approve
Support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing and seeing none.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Voki? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 e.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution
to approve the city's public entity, property
and casualty liability insurance program.
Effective July 1st, 2025 through June 30th, 2026.
And third party administrative services. So moved.
Support Lafferty
Discussion.
Okay. Hearing and seeing none.
I'll call the question Mr. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C? Yes. Motion carries. Uh, next item.
Next item is 11 F.
Request for counsel to review
and ratify tentative agreement
between Warren Police Officers Association
and the City of Warren.
So moved with discussion support to where
Discussion Ms. Moore.
Thank you Madam Chair.
Um, um, it is, um, always great when we have a contract.
Um, there were some rumors out there
that we were gonna be in arbitration
and all kinds of things, so I'm really happy to see that.
Uh, um, we've come up with a good agreement.
Um, and Mr. Fox can say something when Mr.
Uh, Sagar is here, the president of the WPOA,
but I just want to say thank you Mr. Fox.
Thank you Mr. Gages. Um, you know, this is pretty amazing.
Three contracts settled since you got here.
Um, that is great work. And we're, um, very, very pleased.
And everybody is, was pleased
with the process that I've talked to.
Um, they thought you've done a great job, so you got a lot
of compliments for your first time here,
so we appreciate that.
Um, and, uh, thanks to your team, Mike, um,
Brandon Van Gorder, Rexford, Leban, and Rodriguez.
Um, and I, I am,
I think this looks like a really good contract to me
for both of us, and that's what we always wanna see.
So thank you very much.
And Rick, if you wanna, Mr. Fox, if you'd like to
See Richard Fox City controller.
Uh, yeah. I, I think this is a fair contract
for both the city and the WPOA.
Um, you know, I've had a,
I think a good working relationship with Mike Sauer
and the WPOA, the, the group.
And, you know, we were able to sit down and,
and, uh, work through our issues.
And, um, I appreciate that
and I think it's a fair contract for both sides.
And we're here to answer any questions you might have.
Thank you. Uh, Mike Sauer on behalf the WPOA,
I just wanna say that our membership voted last weekend,
and, uh, the close of the vote was over 91%, uh,
in favor of this contract.
So, uh, we represented about 231
members of the police department.
Uh, so that was a, a large number
that overwhelmingly passed it.
So we're definitely good with it
and we, uh, we urge your support of it.
Thank you. Anything further?
Any other discussion? Okay.
Hearing and seeing none, I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 G.
Request for counsel to review
and ratify tentative agreement between 37th District Court,
local 2, 2 7, and the city of Warren.
So moved with discussion support, lty. Discussion Ms. Moore.
Thank you. Uh, sort of echo my, uh, comments
I, uh, made earlier.
Um, I actually talked to several of these union members, uh,
presidents, uh, officers today,
and they were very pleased with the process
and got a lot of compliments, Mr.
Gages. And, uh, everybody knows your,
how good you are at the table, Mr. Fox.
So we appreciate that.
Uh, thanks to you and, um, um, Joe Stone,
Arthur Gonzalez, Lauren Sauer on the union side
and Chief Judge Mura.
So we're glad to see this settled. Thank you.
Any other discussion? Seeing and hearing none?
I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 H.
Request for counsel to review
and ratify tentative agreement for GELC, local 2, 2 7,
and the city of Warren.
So moved with discussions. Support Lafferty.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you Madam Chair.
Um, once again, echo my same comments.
Um, and, uh, um, I actually saw Mr. Gersky today.
I hadn't seen him in a very, very long time.
Uh, I passed him in the hall going somewhere today,
so it was nice to see him.
Um, thank you to Mr.
Fki, art Gonzalez and Jim Coleman for a great job.
Uh, we're happy to see this settled.
And, um, same comments. Good job, everybody.
Any other discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I call the question Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Grogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 a.
Lemme find this here.
Discussion Ray, town Center Development. Madam Chair.
So moved. Support Li Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you.
Um, last fall, the Town Center Steering Committee committee
of which, um, Councilman Lafferty
and IR members held its initial meeting.
Unfortunately, shortly
after a series of town hall meetings were conducted,
which in my view were premature attendees were asked
open-ended questions about their vision for the project,
but without any guidance on what is actually feasible
or likely to succeed.
Now more than six months later, it's time to move forward
with focus and Urgency.
Council members of the steering committee are proposing the
formation of a Town Center Development Action Committee.
To fast track the next steps of this long discussed project,
we would like to invite Mr.
Bato, our DDA director to meet with us
as a partner in this effort.
Um, we're committed to working collaboratively,
collaboratively with him
and supporting the DDA in any way we can.
This project has been under discussion for 18 years
with just two and a half years left.
In this term, we must act decisively.
An important next step is to update the feasibility studies
for housing, hotel,
and retail components
of the Town Center Project Plant Moran.
Our current contractor
and auditing firm has done an excellent job for us
and is well equipped to update these studies quickly.
They are based locally in Southfield
and have extensive experience in this type of development,
having completed similar work
for cities like Royal Oak and Livonia.
Therefore, I propose that the Action Committee meet with Mr.
Bato. He can then bring a recommendation to the DDA,
which can return to council with a proposed amendment
to plant Moran's consulting contract.
At that point, we can also consider a budget amendment
to support this effort for the DDA plant.
Moran is a trusted local resource with proven results.
Let's tap into their ex expertise
and get this project moving.
My motion is to establish the Town Center Development Action
Committee to get the Town Center project back on track.
So moved. Support Lafferty. Any additional discussion?
Yes. Question. Ms. Moore. Action Committee. Mr.
Lafferty and I are on the steering committee
for the town center, and yes,
we've gotten, I stalled a little bit.
Okay. That's all I have.
Thank you. Any other discussion?
Okay, seeing and hearing none, I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan? Sure. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 B.
Discussion in Ray seven hydroxy Creon
Creon Creto.
Um, Madam motion to approve
support Lafferty Discussion, Madam Chair.
Discussion, uh, Ms. Moore? Thank you.
Um, I've had discussions recently with, um,
police personnel about what seems
to be a looming problem in the city.
Um, I've asked, um, uh, captain
Bankowski said that right?
Didn't I? Um, to come and speak to you
and explain exactly what, um, this, um, substance is
and what the status is and more,
and he can speak better about it than I can.
Certainly. Thank you.
Oh, hold on one second. Go ahead. Good evening,
Counsel.
Uh, captain Mankowski with the Warren Police Department.
Currently, we do not have any banner regulation, uh,
at a city level on Raum and
or 7 0 8, which is a seven hydroxy might, you know,
I'm gonna mess this up,
but seven hydroxy nitrogen, uh, commonly called seven oh h
uh, it's natural and krato in natural form.
Okay. And it's a leaf based plant out of Asia.
And, uh, however, the body metabolizes
that also into a higher level, like a lot of synthetic
or analog substances that are regulated
and unregulated by the government, both federal and state.
This in particular, uh, substance mimics
where individuals
that are manufacturing it under no regulation
or minimal are putting an analog
or a synthetic form of it into this substance
that is at a higher way, higher level potency, which then
responds to the receptors much like opioids,
and gives you the same, uh, effects
or euphoria that of an opioid, like a heroin or a morphine.
Uh, at a higher level,
the DEA approximately 10 years ago considered a drug
of concern, and they still stand on that.
The FDA as as well, uh, thinks that the alkaloids
and these chemicals should be regulated
or, uh, investigated more
at the both federal and state level.
And there is several states that have banned it altogether.
Uh, Michigan not being one of them.
The effects, again, in a moderate high dose,
which is described of five to 15 grams,
can mimic opioid euphoria and respiratory depression
and overdose type effects.
And it can lead to addiction just like
that of other opioids.
The, as I stated, it binds to those receptors
to give the individuals that take this or abuse this
or medicate with this in absence of their dependency, that
of like a morphine or a heroin at a high dosage.
The issue or concern comes in, like I said,
without the regulation.
You'll have this analog
or synthetic form that's placed into these products
that are sold at vape shops, gas stations, and,
and other storefronts, uh, without a clear listing of
how much is in it, but at a higher elevated point,
much greater than the typical 2%,
which is regulated in other states.
Uh, which then gives you that similar effect
of heroin and morphine.
The only markings that we're aware of that will tell you
as a consumer, as an investigator,
that it likely has these higher levels is when it's marked
extra strength, full spectrum or extract.
And they come in forms of gummies, tinctures, capsules,
tablets, and powder form or resin.
So I would ask the counsel to discuss this, uh,
or continue discussion
or begin discussion to let us, as law enforcement know
where the goalposts are, to enforce it, investigate it,
and have some type of restriction or ban on it.
And if nothing else, educate the
community as well as counsel.
So us as officers can respond to it
because it is abused nationally and,
and within this state, both by adolescent young individuals,
but those also fight dependency
as a alternative thinking it's safe when it is not.
Thank, thank you.
I, I think my, my motion is going to be
to direct Mr. Schroeder, um, to work on an ordinance.
I'm sure he'll be talking with you, um,
over at the police department, whoever else we need to,
if we need to add other substances
and, um, things to the ordinance.
But thank you very much
and other council members may have questions of you.
Thank you very much for being here. Appreciate
It. Thank you.
Uh, Mr. Bokey.
Well, uh, after, after Mr.
Bokey then, yeah, no, go right ahead. Okay. Question.
Uh, is that on, on controlled drug list with DEA yet?
It is not, sir. How about
for the state of Michigan? Not yet.
It is not. House Bill 40 61, uh,
several years ago did address reform
and, uh, restrictions on this.
However, uh, any research I've done on it is that Bill
has not been continued or, uh, enforced or put into action.
And that bill was specific, not necessarily
to the synthetic analogs, but the actual pratum.
And it was focusing on regulation,
uh, branding or marketing or labeling,
and then implementation of testing at production
to prevent contamination.
Again, that bill, because it never took off,
and I'm not, I can't speak much deeper on it than that,
it seems to focus more on the crem
and the natural herbal form than this new synthetic analog
that is being added to it at a higher potency level.
Which house bill was that please?
Uh, house Bill 4 0 6 1.
Okay. Being that it's not controlled, uh,
by law right now, therefore there's no forfeiture act
that we could enforce on that,
and I don't think we could do that on a local level
with an ordinance,
Mr. Schroeder. It's something
That's one of the questions we look at.
I know that some other communities have attempted a, a ban,
uh, trying to define it as a controlled substance.
Um, there's certain states
that have banned it, not Michigan.
Um, so there may be a bit of a challenge there in terms of
what we, how we can regulate it if, if it's not defined
as a controlled substance.
But, um, I know that some, one
of the surrounding cities here is looking at it,
so I'm gonna reach out and talk to them
and see how they're approaching it.
Um, so we're gonna try
to look at every angle we can, but you are right.
There may be an issue, um, we may be preempted in, in some
of our actions here,
but, um, you know, maybe there's something we can do
through zoning or some other way to try
to keep it off the shelves, um,
at some of the retail outlets.
Okay. Well we gotta get it off the shelves. Mm-hmm.
One way I'd like to get back
with you, I'll send you an email.
I'd like to get information on that.
I'm gonna draft a letter, um, on behalf of the council.
I'll let them all look at it to send it to our state reps
and see if we can get some action on that.
Um, it's gotta be taken care of
and they're the only ones that could do it on a state level.
Thank You, sir. That sound good?
Yes, sir. Thank you. Alright, thank you.
Thank Chair. Just quickly, Mr.
Bokey, we're gonna do that through council office as part
Of Okay, well thank you then. Yeah,
Thank you Chair.
Any other discussion? Oh, sorry,
Mr. Newman.
Um, yeah, so when I was the chair of the War
and Center Line Prevention Coalition, we noticed, uh, Raum
was, um, a bad substance.
Um, care of Southeast Michigan was, um, very aware of that,
and I recommend that, um, you,
you coordinate with them also.
Um, and it's, it's really scary that you're saying
that there's, um,
they're increasing the potency from 2% to 15%,
Not necessarily the percentage, sir.
It's the natural form of it has a low level of it,
but then that itself, it metabolizes to a higher level.
But like anything that is synthetically made
to create analogs, even
with controlled substance like fentanyl, uh,
once you create these analogs, they mirror
or mask that of the controlled substances.
And it's a cost effective way for someone
to make more money, whether it's a big business
or an individual, creating it themselves with access
to these chemicals that it takes to make the similar
chemical chain and those potent synthetic
or analog, uh, additives that aren't regulated, uh,
turn into and not documented on the labeling necessarily.
That's the levels that
before it even metabolizes, are way higher.
So it's gonna metabolize higher and it's way higher.
But then also depending on the consumer,
how much they can they ingest.
Uh, those are all factors of potential health risks
or these euphoria
or, uh, unstable states from being
under the influence of it.
It seems like we should be able to resolve to, um,
warn the public that we do not believe
that these are safe substances to be ingesting
and, um, possibly to do more on education as to, um,
how they're synthetically increasing the potency.
And I thank you so much for bringing that forward.
Thank you. And again, if nothing else, uh, a partnership
to educate the community, the schools and, and, uh,
and anyone on what's out there and the risk
or harm attached to it.
Thank you.
Any other discussion? Madam President?
Mr. Dwyer? Yeah. Just one quick question.
When somebody walks into, say a party store
or a gas station, is there any limit as to
how much any one individual can purchase of that item?
Or can they pretty much buy as much as they want?
They can buy as much as they want.
Okay. Thank you. Yes. Any other discussion?
Okay. Hearing and seeing none, I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Thank you Captain. Next item is
12 C civil service reform.
So moved with discussion support Lty uh,
discussion Ms. Moore, it is time to review and modernize.
The civil service ordinance originally adopted in 1967
before the term human resources even came into being.
Um, it has seen very few amendments
and is now clearly outdated.
Both union representatives
and administrators agree
that the current ordinance is no longer effective.
Therefore, I move to direct Mr. Schroeder
to draft a new updated civil service ordinance.
Um, of course he will work with, um, uh, whoever he needs
to in the administration to make, um, that happen.
But it's, um, it's time to look at this and update it.
That would be my motion. Thank you. Support Lafferty.
Any discussion? Okay.
Hearing and seeing none, I'll call the question. Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 A, which was tabled June 10th, 2025.
Proposed resolution providing public notice of intent
to sell vacant tax reverted property at 2,803 Wellington
Warren, Michigan parcel ID 13 3 6 382 0 4
for $1, subject to combination
with 2 0 8 0 9 Wellington approving sale following
30 day notice period
and accepting grant of easement, rights, consideration,
and adoption of a resolution.
Okay, item stays on the table.
Next, item 13 B, which was tabled June 10th, 2025.
Proposed resolution providing public notice of intent
to sell six tax reverted properties at 2 3 1 8 4
by Biman Byron 72 75 Dodge
and 72 79 Dodge 68 98 Lozier 68 89 Republic
and 68 99 Republic Warren, Michigan for the total sum
of $7,500.
Authorizing a sale and development agreement following the
30 day notice period
and accepting grant of easement, rights, consideration,
and adoption of resolution
item stays on the table.
Next item. Next item is 13 C.
Request of the city controller for a transfer of funds
between line items
and an increase in budgeted appropriations
for various departments for the balance
of the 2025 fiscal year.
Motion to approve with discussion support. Lafferty.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you.
Um, I would note that, um, there seems to be, um,
some more overtime funds requested.
Um, we're hoping everybody is gonna try
to get those in line.
Um, there are not too many police officers left yet,
but I know we have to pay it
and, you know, we have had some staffing issues.
Hopefully that's gonna get better. That's all. Thanks.
Any other discussion?
Okay, I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan?
Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Audience, uh, members of the audience
who would like to address the city council this evening may
do so by filling out an audience form, uh,
located on the right side of the stage.
You have three minutes. Uh, this is for general topics.
Mr. Cooper stall. You can go first.
Okay. My name is Al Copper Stone.
I have vascular dementia,
and I live at 8 7 0 9 Tofa Road
right across the street from a park.
And I'm also a vet, as you can see.
So, um, that park
Tofa got re redone last year.
I got new concrete, it got in the sewer
and all kinds of issues, but it's done.
And now that park is getting a splash pad,
the never ending splash pad.
It'll eventually open. Um,
but the park itself, that's what I wanna talk to you about.
It's, um, the pla the, it's two and about 200 feet.
The concrete is in the front
and between the sidewalk and the parking lot.
Okay. That strip of land.
I'd like to make several proposals on that park,
but one, I'd like to propose that we put those,
I talked to Lori last year.
She stopped by my house at the end of summer
with the new police commissioner,
and she said al put some trees out there.
So I did, I put the flowering cherries out there
and I, I'm, I'm proposing that that whole strip of land
is probably 30 feet wide, 200 feet long, 20 feet wide it,
uh, to plant those flowering cherries in there
to make it look a little like the White House in the spring.
Okay. Um, it's a beautiful park.
But anyway, that's one proposal.
The second proposal is, I was going to propose
that there's three bald diamonds there, that one
of those bald diamonds was going to, I was gonna propose
that you take away one of 'em 'cause it's never been used.
Well, it just so happened last week.
It was used the first time I,
since I've lived there in about a year.
So that park was used.
But I want to also propose that the, uh,
the basketball court, there's room for a basketball court
and probably a pickleball court there in that park.
And I just to try to maximize the use of that park. You
Have one minute left. Okay.
Just wanna make sure, you
Know, so that's it.
And, and, and, you know, if the city buys a paint,
I'll paint the damn picnic tables.
Um, oh,
and the last thing is, I would like to invite everybody to
see my yard at 8 7 0 9 Fer.
Come and see it. It's a centerpiece.
You know, I spent a lot of time in that yard
and I, I'm a gardener and it's, it's amazing to look at.
Lori said she was gonna come back this year.
I haven't seen her yet, but she said it last year.
It blew her away. She said, I'm gonna take pictures of this.
But then I said, wait till you see it next year.
Well now it's next year. And anyway,
that yard's. Bingo. Okay.
Thank you.
Next is Lori Harris.
Actually, Lori, did you put a second one in? Yeah. You did.
Okay.
What I'm gonna say is not gonna be popular.
And then the comments from the peanut gallery,
they can also stop.
That's rude. Um, I,
um, understand that we're going
to be heading into election time
and gearing up for, um,
you know, people wanting to be supported.
And I think because of that, there will be less likelihood
to address issues in the community
if it would put you on the wrong side of an election.
And one of the things that I would like to see addressed
by the city in some way, um, is some
of the issues, uh, in the, uh, Bangladeshi community
and in particular, um, I would like to
have a way to address the rampant rentals
that are unofficial rentals
and the fact that when they're renting out their basements,
their attics, their bedrooms, um, number one,
they're taking advantage of people
who would not have any rights as renters.
They're not paying, uh, taxes because they're a rental,
because they're not claiming it.
And I see that as, as a, a detriment to our city
because we're going to, I'm sure,
have millages and raise taxes.
That kind of keeps happening.
But I'd like to see that community do a little bit better.
And if it's an education issue, then we need
to do a better job of educating
and, um, having a way to deal with this.
So I'm, I am, uh, also,
uh, understanding the, um,
pressure on the fire department
and the EMTs for unnecessary runs for people
that, you know, to the hospital, um,
that may not need an EMS unit.
Um, I'm offering, uh, to help with finding a way
to do some education in the community for that.
Also, there must be a way that we can help people
with resources, how they can get
to medical care without burdening our, our EMTs
and taking them away from true emergencies.
So I'm ex
Mr. Osh, can you
please have a seat? Thank you. 10 seconds.
Do you have some bug spray? All right, thank you.
Next is Joel Vander Lenin.
I,
Joel Vallen, long time born resident.
There's a thing that's been, uh, going around about, uh,
putting trees, making more and more greener.
And before we start pushing all these trees on the right
of ways at all the homes
and Warren, I think Warren as a city has the obligation
to remove all the dead trees
or the stumps that were there from the previous trees you
guys put on our front lawns.
The stumps weren't removed
because the roots
of those silver mo maples wrapped around the water lines
and the sewage lines
and to take them out would've destroyed those lines.
So you cut the trees low and you left them there.
So before you can put in a new tree, we have
to get the old tree stumps out.
You should have finished the job that you guys did
the first time and,
and repaired all these lines at the city in the seventies
and sixties, destroyed
to replace a sewer line,
and today cost over $15,000
due to the city trees.
Why should that homeowner be responsible
for a tree he didn't want
and was forced upon him in the first place?
Mr. Dwyer, your presentation
to the army Was very kind.
I appreciate it. As the next Army mp,
do you know what the army, uh, logo is?
When I was in God country
and our way of life?
And now we have all these left wingers who want
to take God out of everything.
When I was in the Army, we sang songs while we were marching
and training to kill a com for your mommy.
Now the communists of the atheists coming over
and taking over our country using our constitution
and our bill of rights against us.
We need to stand up, pull up our bootstraps,
and protect ourselves again, foreign and domestic.
I thank you once again for behalf
of all the Army soldiers.
I also wanna mention that it's also the
Navy's birthday as well.
God bless America.
Thank you. Next is Ana Chowdry.
Hello. Um, I own a house in Michigan
and I'm trying to sell it, or I'm trying to move in there,
but the city, they left a vacant sign on my house,
which is why I'm not able to move in there or sell it.
Um, the reason why they put a vacant sign on there is
because they're basically saying that I'm in New York.
I don't have like an up, I didn't have an updated address
with, I mean, I didn't have a updated ID
with my address on it, which I tried to go to City Hall like
on May 22nd, and they said I needed like a sticker.
So I went on, on the DMB website and I changed my address,
but I never ended up getting the sticker.
And I had to go to the DMB
and I, you know, they avoided my current driver's license
and I got another one.
Basically, the city is saying that I live in New York
and the wa the water has not been used
for more than three weeks.
And, you know, how am I,
how is the water gonna be used if I'm not in there?
And I've, I've had tenants living there
for the past two years, which I had to ask them to move out
because they were not paying more the rent on time,
which is why I'm like two months behind on mortgage.
And so I really have to sell the house. Um, and I can't do.
So if the vacant sign is gonna be on there.
And that's my issue basically.
Um, I've been living here for the past year,
so I'm not living in New York.
Um, I have an updated ID and yeah,
You can have a seat after audience.
Someone can grab your information. Thank you.
Next is Pum Bar
on Palomino.
Okay, uh, next is Paul de Hunt.
Uh, good evening Paul, to hunt.
I own a property on Charro
and uh, I've been a landlord there for some 20 years.
And, uh, uh,
I've owned houses in other cities, St.
CLA Shores, Roseville.
And I'm curious to know why
We have a rental inspection every two years and worn
and every other city is three years.
The fee for rental inspection is 150 in other cities,
but 200 and worn
your frequency is every two years.
And now, uh,
because the state updates the requirements compliance
for homes that when I get a reinspection,
because there's always an issue
now they're charging $150 for reinspection
when other cities don't charge a reinspection
unless it's the third inspection and then it's $50.
So my question is to answer those questions.
Also, when I'm down at the city
or trying to talk to somebody about this through
the rental inspection department, they're very rude
and they act like they don't even care about who we are.
So I would like to know, I don't get kissed
before I get charged.
So, uh, we'll have audience response
or, uh, res council response
to audience at following audience participation.
Nobody can speak during audience except
for audience members and myself.
Oh. So I gotta hang out to the end to talk
To someone. Yep. We're almost
finished. Okay. Thank you.
Next is Curtis Osh.
Good evening again, counsel Curtis Osh.
Um, I'm really frustrated with this whole situation.
We've gone almost two years now with no
city attorney in our city.
I know that's the mayor's responsibility.
You know, we brought Mr. Schroeder on the,
as the city council, non appointed
defacto city attorney when there was issues with Fouts.
But Fouts isn't here anymore.
You know, it's interesting, just tonight, Mindy Moore
and her drinking Buddy Schroeder,
she referred two things to him
to create ordinances for the city.
Why wouldn't you have the city attorney
that's the acting city attorney,
which is not the proper terminology.
Why wouldn't you direct the city attorney?
That's the acting city attorney to draft ordinances.
Why do we have an Oakland County, Plunkett Cooney,
Jeff Schroeder, outside Oakland County, big bucks guy
drafting ordinances and running our city.
He's kind of like the defacto mayor for that matter.
He gets to write the ordinances
and you guys just rubber stamp what he does.
This whole city attorney thing is crazy.
You know, the city attorney,
your guys are publishing the position
for about 140 grand a year.
And you guys think you are great stewards
of the city's money, but yet you give Mr. Schroeder hundreds
and hundreds of thousands of dollars every year way beyond
what it would cost to have an actual city attorney.
I mean, the city attorney position's like 140 grand.
This guy walks away with hundreds and hundreds of thousands
and he isn't even a member of this community or this county.
He's from Bloomfield Hills or Birmingham or someplace else.
Then this guy has a mean spirit.
This guy is evil.
I mean, he's got his minion, scapegoats
and designated stooges who constantly attack.
Matter of fact, I think a couple of you guys text people
in the audience because they hold up their phones
and say what they wanna say.
Oh, Curtis is here. Let's attack Curtis.
He's ripe for attack. That guy has an evil spirit.
He's got conflict stamped on his forehead,
representing the weed people representing the city,
representing the marijuana industry on both sides.
He collects hundreds
and hundreds, multiple hundreds of thousands
of dollars from this city.
Why? Yo, about a year ago I said,
you know the Grinch, that's Mr. Schroeder.
Mr. Ash, you're a mean son
of a Grinch with an evil heart.
Mr. Osh, if you keep your comments to counsel
Yeah, well I am addressing it to you.
You're at time. He shouldn't be up there.
You're at time. Thank you Mr. Bell.
Woo. Right about you Mr.
Mr. Bell. Please keep your
comments directed at City Council.
Okay? Put me about five more seconds up
there. 'cause you was talking through it.
Mr. Mr. Bell, your time is ticking.
Okay? But you took my time. Don't cut me off.
You want to wanna violate me again?
I just asked for my five seconds. Anyhow.
Mr. Schroeder, you're double dipping.
Mr. Bell. Mr. Bell. Okay, you address
City Council. He's getting
paid twice. He's double dipping.
He's getting paid by the city
and he's getting paid by that firm.
He he work with, okay? He's not legal.
Just like you don't know how to run a council meeting, Ms.
Rogan, He's not the city attorney.
Why the hell is he drafting up ordinances?
That's our city attorney,
which should be sitting up there with you all.
It says it in a charter.
But no, you, Mindy Moore want to do what you wanna do.
You always wanna challenge something and take it to court.
Why? So he can get more money. And then you have Mr.
Lafferty as I call him LAPD dog Lafferty.
'cause he votes for everything you want him to vote for.
You guys are ridiculous.
And I'm not speaking about the current, the, the, the newly,
uh, elected council members.
I'm talking about you Angela Rogan.
C I'm talking about you Mindy Moore.
You Lapdog Lafferty and you Mr. Schroeder.
You know what was real funny?
I'm gonna tell you guys something. What was real funny?
I was in Judge Toya's courtroom the day that you,
Mr. Schroeder went up there
and at that time you were trying
to get Bell, the mayor removed.
Mr. Please, Mr. Bell, direct
Your comments to counsel. I'm
talking you then. Are you talking about our people?
I was in the courtroom and I saw him.
His Adam's apple disappeared and he starts shaking bell.
I'm talking to you. Don't cut me off.
You have a very bad habit of that. Ms.
Rogan c Learn how to chair a meeting
before you think you're gonna cut me off.
Ms. Moore? Yes. What? You, you got a problem?
But you, you don't know how to pay attention.
We're taxpayers. You don't pay attention to us right now.
Mr. Bell, You're an evil individual.
Do not cut me off unless you plan on putting
10 seconds back up there. You,
You cannot name Paul.
Do not cut me off. I
Can cut you off. I'm
the chair. I'm talking right now.
I'm doing nothing wrong. But
You're done. Have a seat.
Thank you. Thank you.
Next is Abu Al Re
Got it.
Um, my name is a Tarek.
Um, I'm, uh, bringing the, I I want to bring,
bring this to your attention that, you know,
every time we go to city Hall, we experience a very bad
behavior with, you know, like last time I went
to maintenance department and with an issue.
And the lady from there, he goes, if you have
to do business in our city, then you have to of our role.
My question is, I have been living here for 11 years.
Is it in my city? That's my question. Is it in my city now?
Before when used to, when we used to go there, you know,
even in the rental department, they used to help us out.
Now they don't do nothing. Every time we go there,
they won't make an excuse not to serve us.
Number three is like, I had a rental property.
Well, I, I forgot the date. So they issue me a ticket.
I went to the court, I pay the penalty.
'cause there is a long, uh, gap,
I mean from the date you take to, to the inspection.
'cause there's a long time period in during that.
And they issue me another ticket and I paid the fast ticket.
Now I got another ticket for $300.
And my question is, do don't they check those
before they issue end the ticket?
Like, I already going through inspection procedure
and I already pay a penalty and I for the same reason.
Why should I get another ticket? Those are my questions.
Like, you know, does CI mean,
and also I went to mayor office two times
to complain about those things.
They never ever call me back. I filled form twice.
They never call me back.
And then, you know, this is not what we expect from a,
from city hall where, you know,
of course we all are taxpayers, right?
And of course we want some, we have,
we want some respect back from the city
employees too. Thank you very much.
Thank you. That is the end of audience,
or no, sorry, Gloria Sanker.
Gloria
June is becoming a month of proclamations.
I think it should be claimed Christianity month.
We should know our Christian roots
and through the that identity, no, we are
one nation under God.
Our founders and leaders made it clear.
Kennedy said, the rights of men come not from the generosity
of the state, but from the hand of God.
Eisenhower said, the real fire within the builders
of America was faith.
Faith in a provident God whose hand supported
and guided them.
Lincoln said, it is my constant anxiety
and prayer that I
and this nation should be on the Lord's side.
Jefferson's quote, God who gave us life, gave us liberty.
Can the liberties of a nation be secure
when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are
the gift of God and George Washington?
It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence
of Almighty God and to obey his will.
John Adams declared the highest story
of the American Revolution is this,
it connected in one in dissolvable bond,
the principles of civil government
and the principles of Christianity.
It is clear our founders believed in God
and proclaimed God to be sovereign
and head of this great country.
They proclaimed God as an essential part of government.
And that is why when the mayor took down the prayer station,
even though the atheist had a booth too
and she did not observe the National Day of Prayer
for one day,
but did observe gay rights for a whole month,
we should be furious that Christianity is being ignored.
That's why we need to rediscover God in America from time
to time to keep the truth alive.
The mayor is big on inclusion.
Let's see some inclusion for the Christian community instead
of exclusion as has been in the practice.
Amen. Amen. Thank you. That is the end of audience.
Next item. Next item is council response to audience.
Yes sir. Mr. Nunan.
Um, why does associated microphone, microphone, Mr.
New? Great, thank you. Mine isn't so much as a, a response
to the, um, audience participation.
Thank you so much for coming out and participating tonight.
Um, mine is that I've got a, um, a message
and that is that we're having a gun lock giveaway
and resource fair.
Uh, June 29th from four to 6:00 PM June 29th.
That again, uh, UAW, uh,
8 6 9 mound just north of Stevens.
Uh, there should be free Kona Ice snow cones.
It's hosted by Macomb County Commissioner Michael Howard,
and myself, Councilman Hal Newan
or Henry Newan as you please.
These organizations will be present as well.
The McComb Community Action of Michigan.
Um, uh, community Action, Michigan State Police,
the Governor's Gun Violence Task Force
and other resources rule also be available for free.
So you can pick up a free gun lock
and hopefully save yourself in a lot
of other people trouble If, uh, you, you stay out
of the situation where a kid might grab your gun
and shoot themselves or shoot someone else,
and then the, now the adult is responsible according
to state law, uh, for whatever the child does.
So if you don't want to be responsible for
what your child's violent behavior with a gun,
they don't know any better.
Hopefully you do. Please come
and get a gun gun lock. Thank you.
Thank you. Any other
Madam Chair, Mr. Lafferty?
Thank you, uh, to the gentleman
that spoke about living across the street from Wiggin Park.
Uh, I've taken the notes. I'll get those over to Mr.
Cassan and the Parks and Recreation Commission.
Thank you. Any other
council response,
Madam President? Through the chair?
Mr. Dwyer? Yeah, just kind of, um, in response to Mr.
Vander Linden, uh, this past weekend.
You know, speaking about the army
and the 250 year birthday, um, I actually had the pleasure
of meeting, um, a real Tuskegee Airman.
He was 92 years old.
He was a major and, uh, served multiple tours.
So just quite an impressive individual to meet.
And, um, he was in it for the long haul, for sure.
That's all I have
Any other president Excuse for mm-hmm.
Yeah. Um, Mr. Schroeder, would you mind, um,
refreshing us on what the council passed regarding
audience participation periods a while ago?
We, part of it was that, um, this is a business meeting
and as I recall,
and that, um, people should speak to the business
of the council when they come here.
Uh, of course you can.
There you have a substantial latitude during the, um,
final audience general topics, um, participation.
But can you refresh us on that?
Is that something, uh, sure, I should, I,
I didn't give you any, uh, advanced notice on this, but,
Well, I worked on it, uh, in great detail
so I can recall, uh, most of it.
Okay. So I can answer your question.
So, the council did a couple of things.
First of all, the council expanded the scope of audience so
that you have audience at the
beginning, an audience at the end.
Previously, it was either at the beginning or the end.
So the council now allows people to speak
before the meeting to address items on the agenda
so you can hear from them before you decide.
Mm-hmm. And then after, so they can come,
you know, get their licks in, right?
So, uh, so you get,
you get the three minutes at the beginning, three minutes.
So previously as a resident,
you could speak for three minutes.
Now you have six. But at the beginning, you have
to address an item on the agenda.
We saw that tonight with somebody who wasn't familiar,
but it worked out with respect to the issues about behavior
of speakers and those in the audience.
We went through an extensive process.
We passed a first round of rules.
We actually sat and met with the A CLU in Detroit,
and we had a long meeting.
It was a nice back and forth.
It was professional, and we made some minor amendments.
We wanna respect the free speech rights.
Um, as you can see, people can make up all kinds
of lies, and they can say them.
That's their first amendment, right? It's a great country.
We all like that. But when you start getting heated
and angry and use certain words,
and you're, you're out of order, you're disruptive,
you're dis um, uh, disorderly, then the chair has the right
to gather you and warn you.
Um, you're entitled to at least one warning to tone it down,
because you're right, it is a business meeting,
and we're not here to control the content of
what you're saying, but if you're being disruptive
and you are disorderly
and obnoxious, then that can be brought into,
uh, control by the chair.
And we saw that play out tonight. So those are the rules.
So we're not here to control what people say unnecessarily,
but, uh, obviously this council's allowed
expanded audience more than any
council in the history of the city.
So I think that that's, that's clear.
When it comes to disorderly conduct, I think, um,
at least one individual tonight may have been,
uh, disorderly.
And I, as I understand it,
the president would have the right to call the police
to calm down and escort them out.
Is that, is that an accurate understanding of the situation?
Because I thought that that was probably called for.
Yeah, since it wasn't, uh, they weren't being very polite.
They don't necessarily have to be polite,
but you can't be disorderly and obnoxious
and, you know, okay, it's a business meeting, like you said,
you know, and so that's, that's something
that the rules address and, uh, the rules call for the chair
to gavel and issue a warning.
Um, so the person can self-correct their behavior. Right.
You continue talking. Right?
So it's not like, you know,
one outburst, you're out of here.
Right? Right. So they get one, two warnings.
So it's progressive in that way.
So that's meant to respect the right to free speech.
So you cut out the, the nonsense,
and if you have something to say, then say it.
Right. Don't be obnoxious.
Don't be don't, don't yell, don't be disorderly.
I mean, that's the whole idea. It's a business being
disorderly conduct is not called for.
So
When, when it ca comes to casting personal aspersions.
Yeah. The council, I guess we're expected to take that
to a large degree because we're public figures.
You're supposed to be thick skin. Yeah.
Um, on the other hand, you're not a council member, as if,
as they've pointed out, um, do we have to stand
for your being personally attacked?
Well, I, I'll stand for it myself. I choose to be here.
I work for the council, I work for the city.
Um, it doesn't, I'll take it. I don't care.
I mean, you just have to consider the source,
and once you do that, you just move on.
So, alright. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate that.
Okay, sure. Thank you. I'm all done.
Any other responses? Madam
Chair, Mr. Lafferty
Brought one thing to mind that I, I wanted
to mention earlier in that historically we looked,
looked back at the, what was brought up, the,
the previous administration, when Mr.
Schroeder's services were, were hired in,
and the council made a decision to hire its own attorney.
And at the time, uh, it, it was new,
it was a change.
And by many, many rights,
people are adverse to change.
They're, they're used to the status quo.
When you alter the status quo, people become uncomfortable.
Being uncomfortable is good
because that means you're growing, you are, you're growing.
And in this case, it was for the better.
And in fact, we're not the, the only counsel
that has ever done this.
Many other municipalities have
separate legal counselors for their legislative branch,
for their executive branch.
That is common practice.
And we're following, you know, following that pattern.
Uh, and I think it was a very wise decision. And Mr.
Nunan, you brought up a point
that Mr. Schroeder is not an elected official, uh,
but he is probably one
of the strongest individuals in character
that I've ever met, that I've ever encountered.
And I've spoken to his, his legal acumen,
his professional demeanor, and his capabilities,
and they are far above the bar that, you know,
I have seen in, in the legal world.
And I trust his judgment, and I have said it before,
and I'll say it again, he does not deserve the attacks,
the, the personal, uh, attacks that he's endured up here.
Uh, but as, as he said, he's got the thick skin
and, you know, I'm used to it.
I'll take it all day long. No problem.
I'm a public official. Go ahead.
You know, and,
but I will say as, as far as the, the lap dog comment,
buttercup is going to have something to say about
that tonight when I get home.
She really will. So, you know, that's, that's fine.
Uh, the,
but Mr. Schroeder, you are, uh, probably one
of the strongest additions
and to this council, your advice, your, uh,
your late night counsel that we all avail ourselves
of talking about the issues asking for your, your assistance
has been invaluable.
And I thank you and, uh, you do a wonderful job. Thank you,
Madam Chair.
Mr. Newman, If, if you yield,
Oh, go right ahead, sir. Sure.
I think that all the, all the negative comments about
having our own, um, legal representation here have helped
to consolidate, in my mind the need to have
our own legal con, um, consultation here,
um, consultant here.
And, um, I do find Mr.
Schroeder's, uh, to be excellent in every regard. Mm-hmm.
So, um, I, we're not planning on, um, changing from that.
And I think that that probably should be
properly instituted, whatever.
If it hasn't, if we haven't gone far enough in, in making
that part of our, uh, city council work,
then probably we should,
because I would hate to have a futures council listen
to such outrageous comments
and say, oh, well, we better, you know, like,
shoot ourself in the foot
and not, you know, have, it's good to know what we're doing.
And with Mr.
Schroeder's, um, research abilities
and knowledge, we're, we're able to always be on key
or if not perfect, at least we'll correct quickly.
And I think that's great.
So anyways, thank you all for Thank you.
Your, your comments and,
and, uh, for your work when you're on the city council.
Mr. Schroer. I yield
Thank you, Mr.
De Hunt. Um, the city sets the, the fees
for rental inspections,
and it has the latitude, I'm sure Mr.
Shorter can speak to. It has the latitude
to set reasonable costs,
and so it may differ from other municipalities,
but is what the city has decided to set as fees
for rentals and inspections.
And the cadence of inspections also is,
I believe is ordinance is by ordinance.
So, um, that, that is the, just the confines
of being a landlord in the city of Warren.
You can't, you can't talk back.
Once we're done, I can come down and speak to you,
but, um, I'm happy to share a little bit more.
Um, and then, um, the two folks about the vacant sign
and the, um, being treated, uh, unfairly by city staff
or poorly, uh, apologize, uh, on behalf of the city,
I will get your information so that we can try
to resolve whatever, uh, your phone numbers
and emails, uh, try
to resolve whatever issues you have going on.
Okay. Any other response? Okay. Next item.
Motion to adjourn support. Lty. All in favor?
Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, thank you.