Good evening.
Welcome to the Seal City
of Warren Planning Commission meeting June 2nd, 2025.
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Item number three. Item number three, roll call.
Commissioner Anza present.
Commissioner Doe present, commissioner Hollow present.
Commissioner Hawk present. Commissioner Childry present.
Commissioner Morris Present, commissioner Beki Present,
commissioner Smith, present
Item number four, approval of the agenda.
No move. Mr. Chairman, Support Maury
As a motion by Commissioner Ddue.
Support by Commissioner Maury. All in favor, aye.
Any opposed? Number five, proof of the minutes
of May 12th, 2025.
Support Commissioner Chare.
Second Commissioner Hollow Wadi.
That was motion by Commissioner Childry, supported
by Commissioner Hollow Wadi.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Item number six, public hearing items. Um, let's see.
Any of my ex officials?
So, nope. Okay.
On the public hearing items this evening,
everyone will have a chance that wants
to speak on this item to come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
I would like to request that we have orderly
and respectful meeting tonight.
That means no blurting out or anything like that.
And, uh, we'll go from there. So item number six a
Item number six, a site plan for new Speedway gas station
and convenience store with six dispenser Auto Canopy,
located on the southwest corner of 14 Mile Road.
And Ryan Road, 3 2 9 8 3. Ryan Road, section six.
Jordan Jonna slash rac Ryan llc.
Josh Barrett, uh,
slash agree development LLC PSP
2 5 0 0 0 6.
This was postponed from March 10th, 2025. Thank you.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here?
Yes. Recording in progress.
Good evening. Can you
tell us a little bit about your project?
Yes. Uh, good evening, Mr.
Chairman and members of the commission.
Uh, as you know, we were here, you know, quite a while ago
and I was not here,
but it was understood that number one,
that we obtained a traffic study, which we did
and, and provided to you.
Uh, Taylor Penwell is gonna be
speaking to it and as the site plan, uh,
Mandy Goss is gonna speak to that as well.
And maybe, uh, there may be someone else speaking the, uh,
developer in regards to the project as well.
I wanna first of all, uh, uh,
say something about the, the Planning Commission.
I, you know, sat as a city council member for a lot of time,
a lot of years, and, uh, you have one
of the toughest commissions, toughest jobs as far
as commissioners go in the entire city.
And I wanted to, you know, thank you for your service
because number one,
people don't understand it's just not
sitting at a meeting, right?
You got preparation, you review your package in regards
to preparing for the meetings.
And, uh, I thought of it
and when gave you one raise, I think you deserve another.
Okay. I know, uh, these meetings are not the easiest
and I, I've never really, I never really came to him.
'cause I know to stay away because
of all the excitement all the time.
So, uh, I wanna thank you again for your service.
As to the, uh, as the meeting, like you said, there was a,
uh, a traffic su study that was required
and as well as a residence meeting.
We met at De Blassio Hall on May 29th,
and that's right there at 14.
And Ryan, we thought it was a good idea
to meet in an area near the site.
And we, we had some people show up, uh,
not very many, approximately 15.
And in order to discuss it,
and some of the discussions in regards to what we have, uh,
talked about, uh, regards to frustrations,
and they talked about, you know,
sheets coming into the city, okay?
Uh, they've, they've been fairly aggressive, uh,
victory Inn, Pampa Lanes,
and, uh, they're trying to at 12 into corner as well.
And they stated their, uh, frustrations in regards to, uh,
you know, possible, uh, competition
and be better utilized for some other type of development.
But it was, we didn't hear a lot of
what other type of developments.
And I, and I'll hit on that point as well.
Uh, one person did talk about possible, uh,
electric vehicle chargers
and, uh, we, I do have something to say about that.
So, in, in regards to what we're gonna do here, first
of all, this is a speedways been a good corporate resident.
They, all my years at City Council never heard a complaint.
Uh, they, they do a good job.
They keep their properties clean
and they have been, like I said, a good citizen right now,
this is a, they are putting in,
in the zoning district something
that is allowed there, okay?
A gas stations are allowed
and they are not asking for a single variance.
They're complying with all the ordinances.
And that could be why the planning staff has made the
recommendation, uh, to accept it.
But $9 million is a, a, a, a great investment,
uh, to put on the corner.
And it's also important to note that on this corner,
if I'm not mistaken, it's been over a year
that Rite Aid has been closed.
Not a lot of, how do you say, uh, interest in regards
to developing that particular corner, it seems like.
But, uh, Speedway has stepped to the plate
and like I said, investing, uh, quite a bit of money.
And also the fact that the area needs,
how do you say it, it, it needs a big push, okay?
This could be the push for the, that corner
because Bank of America now all
of a sudden has a site plan coming in
for a coffee house as well.
And so with the,
how you say, the constructionist of a new speedway,
a construction of a new coffee house, that corner is going
to come alive again.
And I even talked to the owner, Bellagio Hall,
and he's indicated that any time you put new projects in,
it helps the business community
and helps the community at large.
And so you got that from a,
this guy has done a fantastic job over there at Bellagio
Hall and making it one
of the premier halls in, in the city of Warren.
And so what we're doing is having this infusion
of capital in regards to this corner.
Now, some people have indicated
that it's gonna be, uh, what do you got?
A seven 11 across the street,
and then, uh, is this one gonna be a seven 11 as well?
There will be no sale of seven 11 products.
Not one product will have a marking of seven 11 on it.
This is Speedway, and Speedway is gonna be the market,
not seven 11.
I I will confess that they will have slush cups, okay?
And it is gonna say seven 11 on the slush cups,
and it's just one of my favorites
and I had to, uh, throw that in there.
But that's the only thing that you're gonna see
that will have seven 11 on it.
So there's no name competition between the two.
A lot of people have brought that up.
The, as I indicated, the city ordinances allow
for gas stations and there may be some discussion in regards
to the competition.
Well, competition is not in the ordinance, okay?
That's not a reason, uh, to deny. Alright?
You have to see whether it passes all the ordinances,
all the zoning ordinances, and it,
and it does, uh, number one.
And competition is not in
that particular criteria, but we found it.
I important enough, and I wanted to advise you that the, uh,
14 and dender speedway is going
to be, will be closing.
It's on the closure list, okay?
And so we're gonna trade basically one for one.
So the issue, we're not creating more competition,
it's gonna just be one for one within one mile.
And so I, I hope that, uh, you understand
that we didn't wanna be that close together, number one.
And the other Speedway at 14
to Quinter has been there since 1954.
It's 1300. It doesn't, it doesn't even compare to the,
what they're gonna do at 14.
And Ryan for this is the speedway's greatest look.
And you're, and they're, they're putting it together
and you're gonna see it on the site plans.
So they, so we're gonna be trading one for another.
It's also important to know the brand, okay?
Speedway has been doing this
for serving the communities in Michigan for over 70 years,
and that's why I told you
that they've been a good corporate citizen.
And in regards to this, I think of Mr.
Wirth, there's someone from the planning department
contacted us in regards
to a possible cross easement agreement with the coffee shop.
I wanna indicate that we would have no objection as long
as both parties can work out the agreement
and sign a cross easement agreement.
My clients are open for discussion.
They see that it has no reason to cause any
distraction in regards to the use of our property.
So as long as everybody signs a cross easement agreement,
we would have no objection.
I believe that's all I have to pro provide
to you in regards to this.
If there's any questions, I'd be glad to answer them.
Thank you, sir. Um, com Ms. Mr St.
Pierre, did the people representing the speedway want
to say a your words about their project?
Yes, they're going to, Mandy Goss is
gonna talk about the site plan.
Uh, and, uh,
we're gonna talk about the traffic study as well.
Okay? I, but I'm just trying to figure out objection.
Um, hold, hold one second. I'm just trying to figure out,
Oh, one other thing I want to note, I'm sorry, SHA, is
that the infrastructure is gonna be there for
electric vehicle chargers, okay?
It's just when a demand comes, it'll be put in.
Right now, according to their, their marketing,
it, there's not enough demand in order to put the ev
ev chargers in there yet,
but the infrastructure will be there in order to do it.
All right, thank you sir. What I'm gonna do is I'm going
to, I'm gonna allow them to speak too,
but right now I want
to see if there's any correspondence we need to read
and we'll do that and maybe we'll get the planning
director's recommendation, then I'll have them come up
and say what they're gonna say.
Okay?
Okay. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current engineering number one,
provided complete and accurate written description.
Legal description of the parcel,
including the parcel identification.
Number two, site shall comply
with the current Macomb County storm ordinance, detention
and pretreatment shall be required.
Number three, provide a detailed storm narrative.
Four site plan shall show the location
of all existing underground utilities, including their size,
material, type, and discharge point in
the vicinity of the project.
Engineering in force for requests@cityofwarren.org five,
drive approach on Ryan Road shall comply
with the current city of Warren Pacification.
Um, six dumpster pass shall be minimum eight
inch concrete seven.
Any construction within 14 mile ROW shall require a permit
from Macomb County Department of Roads eight.
Soil erosion and sedimentation control permit
or waiver shall be required from Macomb County Department
of Public Works fire.
The Warren Fire Department says no issues with this project.
At and t overall at t does not object to the redevelopment
of the site, but we do have a lot of facilities in the area.
Our facilities should be, should be contained within the ROW
and PUE along the west side of the property.
But if mystic my digs indicate any conflict,
the petitioner need to contact our engineer Courtney Dunford
to discuss options.
Courtney can be reached as co196@att.com
or
5 8 6 8 4 2 7 7 5 8 Comcast.
In response to your utility request for the above project,
please refer to the test map for the location of the Comcast
CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com.
MCDR Macomb County Department of Rhodes, MCDR has received
and reviewed the enclosed preliminary plan for the
above referenced site.
MCDR has the following objection
to proposed development at above mentioned.
Site number one MCDR allows only 30 feet back
of curb BC to back of curb wide entrance approach in M CDRs.
Right away, verify and revise 14 mile road entrance.
Number two, to avoid left turn conflict,
MCDR recommends locate locating proposed entrance in line
with existing entrance on the other side of 14 mile road.
If you have any questions, please feel free
to contact me at the phone number
above
(586) 463-8671
The Macomb County Public Works office has reviewed the site
plan for the project reference above
and have determined
that the site site is located within the red run inner
county drain drain drainage district.
And the red run drain is located 2000 feet above
of the property line.
Any stormwater discharge two 14 mile road will require
A-M-C-P-W-O stormwater review and approval.
Any stormwater discharge
to the Ryan Road stormwater system is under the City
of Warren jurisdiction and would require their approval.
Any site disturbance over one acre will require the proposed
site to confirm with the MCP W'S procedure and design.
Standard manual forms for storm water management, uh,
reviewed March 1st, 2024 review section V
for storm water detention and drain easement requirement.
If the storm water discharge outlets to 14 mile road,
it is highly recommended that the design consultant
and landowner schedule an
engineering meeting with this office.
To discuss how our standards may apply
by contacting Heather Morin at heather.Morin@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 3 0 7 8 2 8 0.
And I also have a couple letters that were sent
that I'll also go ahead and read.
So this was sent from Mahir Shaman at
3 10 20 25.
Um, we did not read any of these in the last one, did we?
These are new ones. It must be new ones. Okay.
Hi, my name is Mihir Shamo.
I am a guest building a Speedway on 14
and Ryan, we have 11 gas stations
on a one mile radius from Ryan 14
and Ryan, we don't need another gas station.
It would impact home prices in the area too
and bring more accidents and crime.
This one is sent from Sir Abdul on April
30, 20, 25.
Dear City officials, I'm writing
as a concerned business owner in the city of Warren
to formally express my opposition to the proposed
construction of a new Speedway gas station at
3 2 9 8 3 Ryan Road.
This particular project raises several concerns like
increased traffic, increased traffic, an accident
to a busy intersection,
and increased environmental risk beside the fact
that there is two other gas stations
and a seven 11 store at the same corner.
And there are other two Speedway gas stations within one
mile North and west
of the proposed West proposed new Speedway.
The other important issue is
by keeping at keep adding the big corporate gas station like
Speedway and Sheets two, our city
that already have 76 plus gas stations from a total
of 280 in the Macomb County can really drive the local mom,
mom, and pops gas station out of business.
I, I respectfully urge you
and the planning commission
to consider approving this development.
I, along with other concerned residents,
believe we can work toward a more community friendly
use of proposed site.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sirat Abdul Diane Ter,
uh, has sent this on May 6th, 2025.
Speedway, we leave at 14 and Ryan
and we don't want another gas station on the corner.
Thank you. This is another letter
that was also sent from Maher Shamo on a different date,
May 19th, 2025.
Hi, this is Maher Shamo.
I am sending this email regarding Speedway 14 Mile
and Ryan, we don't need another gas station in the area.
And there are 11 gas stations
and a seven 11 convenience store within one mile
radius from 14.
And Ryan, this will add to traffic dumps and more accidents.
I have seen so many accidents at that corner
and I happened to call 9 1 1 as,
as one very bad accident happened in front of my eyes.
Rite Aid shut down because they filed for bankruptcy
and shot so many locations all across.
I would love to see a gym or urgent care
or youth center at this location something
that will actually help the community.
Please, please, please consider this email
and I trust you guys will make the right choice.
Thank you all. This is sent from
ing the site, uh, on, uh,
May 21st, 2025.
We are the resident of Warren and Taxpayer.
We don't want any more gas station at 14 mile
and Ryan Road, including Speedway
because we feel this will create more traffic dumps
and more accidents and crashes.
Thank you for understanding our concerns.
Um, I have another letter from, from Maha Chaum.
So this is the third one.
Well, is it basically saying the same thing?
It's the same. Okay, so I'm gonna go to the next one.
Uh, on May 27th, 2025,
this was sent from Yusuf.
A, uh, dear chairman Warren Smith
and planning commissioners, I am strongly opposed
to the proposed Speedway gas stations at 14 mile
and Ryan Road, where the former Rite Aid once stood.
Traffic is the major reason why my family
and I are opposing another Speedway gas
station in our community.
As a rough rule of thumb,
each proposed pump at a gas station generates about 100
to 130 trips per day.
By pump, we mean fueling position.
The convenience store will generate 800 to one,
well 1200 trips per day per 1000 square feet.
So at 2000 square feet, store
with eight pumps would generate around 3,150 trips per day.
We provide these numbers so you can compare with them, those
of the proposed store to see if they are in the right range.
I appreciate your attention to this matter
and trust that the potential traffic burden will play a key
role in your evaluation.
Thank you. This was sent by Yusuf Abdul,
I believe I we had another letter from Yusuf also.
Okay, Thank you. There's couple
that have been printed twice, I believe,
if I'm not mistaken, this is also have been read
by Surman Abdul.
Okay. Okay.
This is sent on May 28th, 2025 from Myrna, a Dear chairman,
dear dear chairman, Warren Smith
and planning commissioners, I am writing to you
to express my strong opposition to the development
of a third gas station Speedway at the,
at the 14 mile Ryan intersection at the
former Rite Aid location.
Community character is the main reason why my
family and I are opposed.
Another Speedway gas station in our community, Speedway,
like Walmart and Big Box gas station can force them mom
and pop, mom and pop gas stations, coffee shops, diners
and ice cream stores to close.
Due to the unfair competition,
because of their large purchase
and sale volumes, this can negatively impact the local
economy, reduce the variety of businesses in a community,
and hurt the local and state supply chain.
The loss, the loss of local, independent guest stations
and other businesses can alter the character
of the community as they often serve a local hubs
and meeting place, making the community seem more
homogeneous and less equal, less unique.
Thank you for considering the long term impact this
development may have on our community's
character and local economy.
Thank you. This is all the letters. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary. There's quite a few letters.
Uh, planning department's recommendation.
Slide this over a little bit.
Okay. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Chair.
The, uh, recommendation, um, is as follows.
It is, uh, recommended that the, uh, site plan for, uh,
lemme turn this Site, site plan
for new Speedway gas station
and convenience store with six dispenser, uh,
auto Canopy, uh, be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission and more specifically,
number one, five copies
of revised site plans shall be submitted,
indicating the following.
One, a, uh, update the, uh,
zoning information on the site plan
and, uh, the site data chart to read.
Uh, p parking district, uh, north 30 feet
and C one local business District East
106.15 feet,
excluding the north 30 feet of the property.
And C two general business district,
the West 200 feet of the property.
One B outdoor retail sales such as, uh, window washer fluid
or ice, uh, is not indicated on the site plan.
However, the floor
and elevation plans show items outside the building.
Uh, these items shall be added, uh, to the site plan
and the square footage noted on the site.
Data chart one C provide the length
and width dimensions for the gasoline, uh,
canopy on the site.
Plan. 1D uh,
the property in question is 1.47 acres.
A storm water narrative explaining how the site will comply
with the city's storm water ordinance shall be required on
the plan, uh,
and indicates the disturbance over an acre.
That's the whole site one E The following information shall
be added to the site plans.
C 1.1.
Uh, it is, uh, currently located on the cover sheet of,
uh, C 1.0,
and that is number one, the property data,
all site data information listed.
Number two, a vicinity map.
Uh, number three, uh, the legal description
and parcel number one FA note shall be
provided on the site plan stating all lighting
provided on the underside of the canopy for the
gasoline pumps shall be recessed and flush mounted.
One g indicate, uh, the height of the new
gasoline canopy in the site chart data chart.
One h uh, a note shall be
provided on the site plan stating open storage
of materials shall not be permitted on the site.
One i the parking spaces
around the building shall measure 20 feet in length
from the edge of the Ballard.
Uh, the adjacent maneuvering lane dimensions shall
be adjusted accordingly.
One j update the parking calculations
for the retail area of the convenience store, uh,
to one parking space per 300 square feet.
Uh, the proposed outdoor retail, excuse me,
retail sales areas, uh, will also use this calculation.
One KA note shall be
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroach upon abutting properties.
Uh, the light fixtures pole
and base shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture
to the bottom of the base.
At ground level, all glare shall be eliminated
from the light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting shall not be permitted.
One L indicate all proposed lighting on the site.
Plan one m The site plan indicates
ingress and egress with the property to the south.
However, the landscape plan indicates a row
of holly trees will be planted, uh, in this same location.
Modify the plans to indicate if, uh, ingress
and egress will be provided or not.
One n the planning staff requires pedestrian access
to the gasoline convenience store by way of the following.
Sidewalk additions indicate the following on the site plan,
and that would be number one.
Provide a five foot wide walkway from the po the public
sidewalk along 14 mile road south
along the west edge of the upgraded driveway.
The walkway will continue south across the new internal
cross access driveway to the front edge
of a parking space, then angled southeast
to the gasoline and convenience store.
Number two, provide a second five foot wide
walkway from the public sidewalk along Ryan Road.
At the south edge of the upgraded driveway,
the walkway would run West Crossing
and internal cross access driveway,
and then to the gasoline convenience.
Store one oh
the trash enclosure and attached shed indicated
on the site plan is larger than the typical trash area.
The Planning Commission shall approve a modified
trash enclosure measuring approximately 25.3 feet,
three, three feet by 13 feet
and containing 329.29 square feet.
And attached shed, uh, measuring
12.67 feet by 10 feet
and containing 126.7 square feet
indicate the material and construction of the proposed
trash enclosure
and attached shed on the site
plan condition.
Number two, two copies of revised floor plans shall be
provided indicating the following, a, uh,
label the outdoor retail sales items north side
of the building and the items
outside along the south elevation of the building.
One, uh, excuse me, two B, the North arrow, uh,
on the floor plan, uh, shall be corrected
to match the site plan condition.
Number three, the planning staff read the, uh,
traffic Impact study
and found that the biggest takeaway was the number
of driveways within 500 to 550 feet
of the intersection of 14 Mile Road
and Ryan Roads amounting to 22.
Considering this information, it is rational to conclude
that efforts should be made to eliminate driveways
or locate driveways farther away from the intersection.
The staff has found an opportunity to eliminate a driveway
and to join two properties with an internal
cross access connection as follows, a,
the driveway from the subject property to 14 mile road
is being adjusted to the East, making a better intersection
with the existing driveway on the north side
of 14 mile Road.
B. The property abutting the subject property to the west
is proposing improvements to become a coffee shop.
The planning staff would require that the two properties
be connected together with a second
internal cross access driveway.
Both front yard area maneuvering lanes
are in line with each other,
and we're talking about both properties.
No parking spaces are lost by either development.
C uh, the east driveway
of the coffee shop is only 110 feet from the speedway
or seven 11 development driveway.
This driveway would be removed
and possibly replaced with five
or six parking spaces for the coffee shop.
3D The west driveway of the coffee shop would then be
190 feet from the Speedway seven 11 development driveway
and approximately 510 feet from the intersection
of 14 Mile Road and Ryan Road.
Condition number four, two copies
of revised building e elevations, excuse me, shall be
provided, indicating the following.
And that's, uh, a, the east and west and north
and south labels shall be switched.
Uh, b indicate all proposed lighting on the elevation
plan condition.
Five two copies of gasoline canopy.
Elevation plans shall be provided.
Condition number six permits shall be required from the,
from the Macomb County Department of Roads
for work in the 14 mile road Right of way permits shall be
required, uh, from the city of Warren Engineering division
for the work in the Ryan Road right of way.
And finally, condition number seven,
a performance bond in the amount
of $250,000 be posted according to the estimated cost of
$8,600,000 by the petitioner.
There is a note, uh,
the planning staff recommends a reduction in the bond amount
to $158,000.
So with that Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Worth. Okay, what I'm gonna do,
I'm gonna have the, the representative for Speedway come up
and maybe if you can say what you have
to say in about five minutes
or so, we'll listen to what you wanna present
to us. Thank you.
Sure. Josh Bratton, a development LLC.
I just wanna share a few clarifications from, uh,
or, um, elaborate on some of what, uh, Cecil spoke to.
So the speedway located at 14 into Quinter.
Just to clarify, that will close next year regardless
of whether or not this project takes place.
And the reason why it's closing is
because it was constructed in 1954.
It's completely obsolete.
It's only a thousand square feet
and there's no ability to expand that site.
Uh, as Cecil mentioned,
Speedway's been serving Michigan communities for 70 years.
Our intention is just to revitalize our brand,
continue investing into these communities,
and provide an enhanced and more modern age prototype
and customer experience to the customer.
Um, in order to do that, we have to open new stores.
Um, and that's the intention here.
We want to better this corridor, not oversaturate it.
We're closing one location
to bring a better experience to the customer.
Um, Mandy, our engineer will briefly go over the site plan,
um, but then Taylor will go over the details
of the traffic study
and, um, as the planner mentioned, the conclusion is the
increase of trip generation
and traffic to the site is immaterial.
Thank you sir. Thank you.
Can we get the presentation opened please? Thank you.
I'll get Mandy Goss, CESO.
Uh, thank you for having us here again
tonight to discuss the project.
Um, I know we kind of, uh, went over it previously,
but we will do another quick brief overview.
Um, if you can go to slide three, we'll jump ahead.
The first one was Cecil.
So, um, as, as you know, this site is uh, 1.47 acres.
Um, and it currently is zoned C two C one and parking.
So it is, um, gas stations are permitted by
in this gas station with site plan approval,
which we're here tonight to request.
Um, moving on, we'll make it quick.
I know we're on a timeframe here.
Um, as you, just as the site plan pulled up for you
for reference, um, as you can see,
we will have a full access driveway on East 14 mile,
which will align with the market driveway across the street.
Um, that was requested by Macomb County Road Commission
and we did modify the plan to address that.
Um, that is also the driveway
that will be shared if the coffee, um, does agree with the,
uh, cross access with the coffee shop to the west.
Um, so that driveway you see on that aerial image strike
to the west, if when the coffee does develop,
coffee shop does develop, would be closed if,
if they follow the planning recommendations.
So again, we are happy to work with everybody on that
and hopefully get something in place to eliminate one
of those access drives in that location
and have better alignment for the left turns that go
to both those businesses moving forward.
Um, there is also a full access driveway, uh, on Ryan Road
and we do have that as far south as possible.
It's an existing location that it is currently today.
Um, and that does provide access
to the building to the south.
So we do have that cross access still to the, the,
the Southern, um, development book, um, just south of us
that you can see the access, um, just east
of our building, our driveway there.
So with that, um, we are proposing a 4,852 square
foot convenience store.
Um, I will note that the traffic study,
um, is based on that.
I know I keep hearing 2000 square
feet in some of the review letters.
I'm not sure where that came from,
but we did, um, base everything on that 4,000, um,
800 square feet.
So just to point that out, everything was based on that.
Um, we are proposing, uh, six auto fueling can,
um, dispenser.
So it'll have 12 fueling positions
and that is actually what the traffic study is based on is
the number of fueling positions at a station.
It's not the size of the station.
So, um, again, Taylor will elaborate more on that,
but just wanted to point that out.
Um, we are showing 30 parking spaces
and we are intending to have underground detention
for our stormwater and we will meet the Macomb County
standards, um, when we get into the construction
details, designed details.
So, um, going, uh,
the next plan is just a landscape
plan just to kind of show you.
Um, it will definitely be an improvement.
We are adding additional landscaping along the frontages,
um, and along the rear.
I think it's gonna be a, a great improvement
to the site overall from an aesthetic standpoint.
Uh, the next slide is just
showing you the building elevation.
This is a Speedway branded seven 11.
So seven 11 is technically the owner,
but all of the amenities are Speedway.
Um, and the elevation is actually upgraded from
a seven 11 store.
It, um, will have A-C-M-U-A, a nice darker material,
some metal clad, some um, Niesha spruce panels.
It's a very modernist modern store
and it's, it, I I think it looks really nice.
Um, personally, uh, with that, this video does show,
I will mention it has seven 11 signage inside.
'cause we don't have one that shows the speedway,
but I do show, I have s another
slide if you wanna play the video.
Um, that does show the, the signs that are seven 11
above the, the cash out area.
And some of the signs allow, uh,
that you see there are speedway signs.
Um, but the, the inside is almost identical.
Just a little bit of color changes and signage changes.
But the amenities that are offered are very similar, um,
of an appearance that to
what you're seeing on this rendering.
Um, but I, I feel like it gives you a good representation of
what we're proposing.
It is a more modern store.
It's gonna be very nice clean offer. Um, grab and go food.
It is not a restaurant. Um, I will elaborate that.
It just has food hot and fresh ready to take with you.
Um, so just kind of wanna point that out.
And then this next slide does show, uh,
just the Speedway branding instead of
that seven 11 branding on some of the interior images, um,
where you saw the seven 11 and the rendering.
So just for a point of reference where some of
that signage comes into play.
Uh, next I will pass it over to Taylor Klein for her
to go over the, uh, traffic study.
Thank you. So yes,
we completed a traffic impact study following national
and MDOT standards.
I do wanna note that we are a mdot pre-qualified firm
for traffic impact studies,
but in the traffic impact study performed by us,
we were able to determine
that this development has minimal impact, um,
to the overall level of service
and delay of the nearby study intersections.
Um, the biggest thing I do want to note here,
I know it's usually the biggest issue is the,
the trip generation.
So for us, we did follow national standards.
So using ITE Trip Generation manual,
we followed land use code 9 45,
so a guest station with us.
Um, convenience market, you can see we went based off
of fueling positions.
So total in the am am peak hour, uh,
we did have 324 trips.
I do wanna note though that 246
of these trips are considered pass by trips.
So it is important to note that a pass
by trip is somebody who's already traveling along, um,
the adjacent streets.
So in this case 14 mile road and then also Ryan Road.
So they are technically not a new trip coming
to this development.
So in terms of an actual new trip, um,
in the am we'll only have 78 new trips.
So that's 39 vehicles in 39 out.
Um, in the PM peak hour, we have a total of 2 74.
So again, that pass by rate is 206 vehicles
with only, um, 68 new trips.
So again, 34 in
and 34 out kind of created during the PMP hour.
Um, so again, in total we wanted to note
that this is really only one additional car every
92 seconds.
And we also took from our turning movement counts
that were collected at, um, 14 Mile Road
and Ryan Road, we did a 24 hour count.
So we were able to determine
that in the AM there's only a 1.07% increase
to existing traffic.
And then also in the PM there's only a 0.73% increase
to existing traffic.
So again, we will not be adding a large amount of traffic
to, uh, the adjacent streets.
And then also to, I know crash data was kind
of a big concern or the number of crashes in this area.
So we were able
to pull crash data from the Michigan State Police, uh,
their crash analysis tool.
So total we did find from the past five years,
so January 1st, 2020 to January 1st, 2025,
that there was a total of 241 crashes, um, in this area.
Um, the last thing I did want to note,
we did have the opportunity to kind
of review the traffic safety analysis that was performed by,
I think it was TEC.
Um, it was dated April 28th, 2025.
And the biggest thing we wanted to know is, um,
obviously our traffic impact study was a little
bit more detailed.
We did notice that again, we took traffic counts,
24 hour traffic counts, um, at Ryan Road in 14 mile road.
And we came up with 54,511 vehicles,
uh, operating at that intersection.
The other study completed by TEC did pull, um,
traffic count data from the MDO website.
And again, those were pulled a little bit, um,
I think it was from February, 2024, so not
as recent of counts.
And again, the data that was collected from that
was taken from segment counts
and then applied to that intersection.
So it kind of wasn't showing the most accurate results in
comparison again to our data that was pulled.
That was obviously more recent.
And again, splitting out those turning movement counts.
Um, the one thing though is we did see
that the crash data aligned with their data
that they did provide.
So those were similar.
Um, but overall, again, we just wanted to note
that it was determined
that this development will have minimal impact to the level
of service and delay.
Thank you.
Thank you ma'am. This is a public hearing.
If there's anyone here who'd like to speak on this item,
you can come up, state your name and address for the record.
You'll have three minutes to speak. And
Good evening planning commissioners.
My name is Melissa Boff and I live in this, uh, region.
My concern to have an additional gas station
is based on the safety, which thank you
that she had just talked about.
Um, because I think about these underground tanks, um,
I think about, you know, this construction
that will be taking place, um, the multiple vehicle, um,
accidents which do occur.
Um, a lot of the drag racing that happens in this area, um,
and leading to the violence.
But one of the key factors is that we also have a church
which has the private, um, school.
Okay. And you have children, um, in this area, you know,
during the school year.
Um, that is another factor, um, to keep in mind is
I'm speaking on behalf of the children,
the welfare of the children.
Um, also I think about the personal connection,
which the current, um, customers at these
existing, uh, gas stations have had with their,
um, with the gas stations, Sunoco and bp.
Um, and lastly, um, there's this rise in competition,
uh, with the electric
and hybrid, uh, vehicles, which will be lessening the demand
of, of gas in the upcoming, uh, years, you know,
impacting the amount of profit for these gas stations.
Okay, thank you for your time.
Thank you, ma'am. Is anyone like,
like anyone else, would like to come up and speak?
Good evening. My name's Mary Kay Logan.
I live on the first street south of 14 mile east off
of Ryan Road.
This is going to have a traffic impact,
whatever their results showed, that's fine.
I currently have so much traffic.
They're u-turn because they're missing entrances
to the strip plaza.
They're missing the entrances to the condos.
This used to be a, a community that was a neighborhood.
It's turning into retail.
It's do we need another gas station? I would say no.
You have a gas station that's been there
for 22 years at the bp.
They've supported the community,
they've improved their property.
I know this would be a huge revenue for the city of Warren
with this new gas station,
but I'd like you to consider the residents
of the immediate area. Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am.
Good, good evening. Uh, my name is Carlos Sania
and I'm here on behalf
of the Cal Kal Dian Chamber of Commerce.
Um, and it's, it's members including, uh, the bp
just give a i i I prepared the, uh, traffic study also.
Uh, obviously si similar
but not totally, totally the same as, uh, uh, c uh,
SC prepared, um,
any anyways Took.
The, the biggest, my biggest change here is o
obviously Speedway.
Speedway is, is a new, uh, is going to be a new facility.
Uh, she's, the, the, uh, traffic, their traffic traffic, uh,
uh, person has basically the same
numbers that I have actually, they're probably, uh, the,
the same 'cause I, I believe I used the same
book to get it out of.
Uh, but there's, there's some additional information
that we have that is not, uh, wasn't presented.
Uh, for, for example, there's a 38,000 square foot
Limon market that's being, uh,
constructed right now in the northwest corner of, uh,
of 14 mile.
And, uh, Ryan behind the, uh, the seven 11
with access out to, to, to also to both Ryan
and to, uh, four 17 mile and,
and also, uh, an additional 48,000 square foot,
I believe it's called the CK Market.
Uh, which was the, uh, was the closed, uh, Gardner White,
uh, location at the southeast corner.
And uh, also there's an, an expansion
of, uh, 500 feet
or 500 seats to the Iona Mo Mosque at, uh,
that's located at Ryan and, uh, 12 Mile.
And, uh, they have, they definitely have
impact in this area. There's a lot of,
Sir, you need to wrap up your comments.
Your three minutes is almost up.
Uh, I'm sorry, I I got a lot more to, to, to say here,
but I can keep it, uh, keep it, uh, as, uh,
short as possible.
Uh, we talked about the traffic counts.
I I have the traffic counts, uh, basically the same as,
uh, as, as theirs.
Um, what, uh, so, so the,
the other thing that, uh, that, that I, that I'd like
to point out sir, is is that
You, three minutes is up at this time. Thank you though.
Well, thank you sir. You're welcome.
Hi, good evening. My name is Fa Abba.
Uh, I'm living around the, the place of, uh,
14 Mile Road and Dine.
And, uh, I just moved from New York City to Michigan
because there's a lot traffic there.
I can't work, I can't park.
And, uh, from one year ago I moved to this place.
I don't mean to, uh, specific gas stations, speedway
or other one,
but I mean the, uh, gas station specifically, uh,
it's caused a lot of traffic.
I'm the parent of four kids.
I have three kids had injury from last year till
like last, last week.
So last year I, uh, my daughter, she had accident,
big accident at the corner
and she injured, she was driving
and other two kids,
they was just passenger with my neighbor.
And they have another accident
and they still get treatment until now.
So three kids, 16, 18, and 20 years old.
And today in the morning there is accidents.
Last week we have accident.
I have little boy, seven years old, he can't go outside
or something we watch.
So the window in front of the Ryan Road.
And, uh, we saw a lot of accidents.
So I recommend if they can do like,
urgent care something help the community, that's,
it'll be so fine. Thank you so much.
Thank you, sir. Yes.
Good evening everyone.
My name is Miriam and I'm the owner of Express Hot Chicken,
uh, which is located at 3 1 8 7 5 Ryan Road.
Uh, as a concerned member of a community,
I strongly oppose the proposed construction
of a Speedway gas station.
While additional service may appear beneficial on the
surface for the long term consequence,
but for the short term, I don't think that's gonna work.
Um, gas stations, uh, carry significance,
environmental risk like releasing a toxic fumes
and other which contributes to respiratory
and other health issues.
Um, constant noise and bright lightning
and heavy traffic, especially 24 7 operation would severely
disrupt the peace and the safety of families, seniors,
and the school age children living nearby.
In addition, with environmental
and health, health concerns, uh,
these proposed development threatened the survival nearby
these small businesses.
Um, because Speedway is a large nation national chain,
which undercut like local family owned gas stations,
convenience stores, and food shops, uh, those
local businesses are the backbone of our community.
They provide personalized service,
keep money circulating locally,
and contribute to the unique character of our neighborhood.
So allowing the national chain
to dominate the area may cause smaller shops
to close weakening the local com economy
and eroding the community feel that residents values
rather than, uh, approving a gas station.
City planners should, um, consider alternative
that meet real community needs.
For example, like a daycare
or a urgent care, um,
that would offer accessible medical services
is the burden on, um, overcrowded emergency rooms
that improve public health, especially for those
who lack access to regular primary care.
Um, I will re, uh, respectfully urge city officials
to reject the Speedway proposal
and invest in development that truly benefits our community.
Thank you. Thank you ma'am.
Um, good evening, commissioner.
Um, my name is Attorney Alex aar represent the, uh,
KDE Chamber of Commerce and
with the law firm Williams Williams Ner and Plunkett pc.
Um, a vital role of this commission is
to protect the health, safety,
and welfare of the men, women,
and children of this community, from projects that
pose a danger to them.
At the prior meeting, the planet issue already failed twice.
It was brought to a vote twice
and failed to secure the the five convert concurring votes
required by this commission's own laws.
That should have ended it. The bylaws are clear.
After two failed votes, the application is deemed denied.
So it is our position that it is not appropriate
by this commission to even have this
vote in the first place.
Two votes were taken, both votes were already denied.
Now let's talk about the traffic study
that was submitted today by Mr.
Sania, who recently spoke according to the report
by Traffic Engineering Consultants, Inc.
Mr. Sant's company, from 2020 to the present,
there have been about 250 crashes at the intersection of 14
and Ryan two, about 250.
Now what, imagine
what happens when you put a high volume gas
station on that intersection.
It doesn't take an expert to understand what happens,
a greater likelihood of accidents, traffic,
uh, incidents and injury.
The crash count is expected to rise. This isn't speculation.
This is data. This is about public policy, public safety
and responsible governance.
The safety in of the motorists
and the citizens must be protected.
We urge you to do the right thing to uphold the law,
protect the public, and either do one of two things.
One, deny this, uh, item at issue
or at a minimum table it so you can have an opportunity
to review the traffic study by Mr.
Santio that was just submitted this morning.
So you can have a vote
that's educated based on all the evidence, uh,
that was presented to you.
So we would urge you to either to deny this at issue
or at least table it to give yourself an opportunity
to review the traffic study submitted this morning by Mr.
Sania. Thank you everyone.
Thank you sir.
Good evening. My name is Steven Corks
and um, I live couple of blocks south of, um,
13 mile on Ryan.
And a few years ago my wife was involved in a hit
and run accident in that intersection.
It's very bad. And I know, I don't know all these numbers
where they're getting these numbers from,
but it's every other week.
There are accidents there
and we see, we get to see that every day.
So an idea of a business there
that's just gonna, just gonna make it worse. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
My name's James LaBelle.
I live on Tuxedo Drive, which is the first street south
of 14 mile off.
Ryan. I agree with all the things
that these people have been saying about the traffic.
One of the main, one of my main concerns is when, uh,
the developer that built the Sahara,
the little strip mall there just in between the gas station
and my street, a lot
of shenanigans went on when he was
building those structures.
And a lot of, I know for a fact a lot
of bribes were, were taken.
But here's the thing, there's a driveway
that services the Bellagio
and the Sahara just one driveway
with three lanes on it.
Now, any given day of the week,
gotta understand any given day of the week
traffic on Ryan is backed up past my street.
I have trouble getting into my street.
The main reason for that is where they placed that
entrance to the Sahara of Ru uh, it's a bakery
and the Bellagio.
Why, why? I heard that.
I heard that the owner of that Sahara wants
to put another entrance in further south on Ryan,
which would really ease off
'cause most of your accidents are occurring going into that.
I was one of them going in there.
You've got people heading north, people turning south,
and then people trying to get in all in one entrance.
So Hurricane H The wise thing I think
to do would, would be to,
Sir, excuse me. Excuse me one
second. Can you make your comments
dealing with the seven 11?
Well, and says, I know is across
The street can, this is all part of it
because listen, what these people are talking about,
extra traffic, extra people running out, it's all related.
The intersection in itself is dangerous,
but not for just one reason.
There's multiple things at play here, okay?
And we've got light pollution, sound pollution.
We already have two gas stations at the intersection.
Why do we need a third?
Can't you can't, can't you find something
that would be a little more friendly
to the surrounding citizens
and that area than another gas station open?
Sorry, you need to wrap up your comments.
Are you telling me to sit down?
Well, you've got about 23 seconds.
Well just think about it. Okay. Thank you sir.
Just consider it, if the guy from Sahara wants
to put a driveway in a second entrance further south on
Ryan, it would be beneficial to everybody around there.
You're not gonna have these t-bone accidents.
I was one of them, you know, 500 feet from my house, total
of car because of the, the craziness.
Thank you sir.
Anyone else like to comment on this item?
My name is, uh, Steven Bressler.
I live, um, just north
of the intersection on 14 and Ryan.
And one point I'd like to bring up that nobody else has is,
um, I bought my first home when I was 20 years old
and I'd like that home to still have appreciating value.
And I don't believe that having another gas station
when we already have two at this intersection is helping
anybody, uh, who's a homeowner
and having value into their homes as well
as every other point that, uh, everybody has made.
It's, it's not necessary.
Um, Warren has the most gas stations in,
in Michigan, and not only are
we devaluing people's homes, we're devaluing, uh,
small business owners like BP
or Sunoco that it's already been there.
And I, I just, I don't know what the point is
and you know, you know,
and I would even like to ask you guys a question of like,
do we all think it's necessary?
I don't. And a lot of other people who've petitioned,
who've supported the other businesses there, it's,
it's not very necessary.
And you know, like I said,
as being a homeowner at 20 years old, I want my house
to be able to appreciate and value.
And I think there's other businesses
that can be put in place
that can help everybody out in that situation. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
Good evening everyone. Good evening.
I'm here really for that matter.
And we don't need no more gas station in
that all this area.
And we got enough. All my cabin is
it's, you know, we don't need.
That's it. Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Does anyone else like to speak on this item?
My name is Rafael Sha
and, um, I I just had a question like,
what would this Speedway Gas Station bring
inside the store and outside the store that's not available
at the seven 11 or at the other two stations?
So basically four corners will be at convenience stores.
So we will end up having four convenience stores in one
corner, plus the effects on, uh, the ice cream shops,
uh, the chicken places, the pizza places, Speedway sells,
everything that, that's,
that's gonna harm everybody around you.
And then you'll see the signs and those plazas for lease.
Just people closing down.
It's gonna end up being another, like we'll have bunch
of plazas out of small businesses. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Does anyone
else like to speak on this item?
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to commission.
Mr. Chairman, uh, I'd like to make a motion
to approve with discussion.
Chairman, I second that motion
As the motion by Commissioner Doe, supported by Mr.
Awadi. Go ahead with the discussion.
Um, couple of things.
First of all, uh, Ron, uh,
is this in a floodplain at all from Red Run Drain?
I
No, the, the answer's no.
If it's not in a floodplain.
Okay. Um, next, uh,
158,000, uh, bond.
Is that going to be sufficient to make sure
that they do everything that they are,
they say they're going to do?
Uh, we believe so.
They have a relatively
landscaped area there right now on the corner.
Right. And they'll add to it, uh, to some degree,
but, uh, that certainly will cover the cost.
Alright, fair enough. Thank you very much. Alright, bye.
Um, The last thing
because I, I, I wanted to see the, um,
residents have a meeting with Speedway.
They went out, they had the meeting
and about, uh,
15 people showed we've got more than that here.
So either the timing was off
or people just didn't want to go.
Uh, that being said, uh, I said it before
and I'll say it again, that corner, uh, the,
there are suggestions of putting in, uh, healthcare,
there's suggestions on a variety of things.
Well, Rite Aid couldn't make it there.
The bank couldn't make it there.
Uh, the Ryan Roadhouse restaurant
that was there couldn't make it there.
Um, they've tried
across the street in Sterling Heights.
Uh, I think it was either a Kroger
or a Farmer Jack that's now a hall.
Uh, Bellagio, uh, is gorgeous,
but it used to be a, a jewelry store.
LAN's. And the, uh, Gardner White
that's been brought up here, um, supposedly, uh,
is now going to be a market or something else.
Um, I take issue with some
of these traffic studies basically
because I think the traffic is very, very goofed up
because of 6 96,
they closed down 6 96.
So, uh, of course traffic over, uh, uh,
the intersections
and the roads through Warren are going to be full, uh,
filled up with a lot of cars and so on.
Uh, uh, because there's no other way to go east and west.
That being said, I think this is a decent
development for this area.
Uh, I don't think it's gonna hurt la uh, property values.
Uh, and, uh, I, I support this development.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else?
Commissioner, chair, go Ahead.
Okay. I, I second a lot of the comments
that Commissioner Dee said.
I would almost have to say if you do put a daycare
or urgent care throughout, those usually are also,
if I'm not mistaken, 24 hours.
And those also can increase traffic,
you know, you know.
Well that please. They did. Will
You excuse me?
The public participation is closed at this time.
Please hold your responses.
I'm entitled to my comments.
He's, he's, he's dealing with the commission right now.
If anybody does, can't hold their responses,
we can have an officer come up and escort 'em out.
Thank you. Commissioner Chair. Go ahead.
These are just my personal opinions. Okay.
And I think it would be a good development for that area.
It's been vacant for a few years, as like commissioner
has said, other businesses have tried.
They're willing to come in, develop it.
As far as environmental, I have, like I spoke
before, uh, as far as um,
the gas tanks that are below the,
those are environmentally controlled by the government.
There are government regulations on how they're to be buried
and how they are controlled.
And no more, I don't see any environmental concerns
as far as I'm concerned.
So I will definitely support this, uh, this development.
Thank you, sir. Thank
You sir. Anyone else wanna
speak? Going Mr. Seyer?
I petition. Petitioner, please come
to the microphone.
I think, um, Cecil mentioned that you guys are closing, uh,
one of the speedway, which is located on 1490 wind.
Is it confirmed that you are going to close this, uh,
Speedway, which is located on 14
and d within a year,
as you mentioned in your earlier speech.
That is correct. Uh, next year.
Okay. I think another question I have, um, Cecil mentioned
that you guys gonna have an infrastructure
for the charging station when it's demand there,
then you're gonna implement this charging station, is it?
Yeah. So what we do on the sites is we actually, um,
design it so that it's 80 accessible.
So when it's time to add it,
we can add the electric infrastructure to add the chargers.
So we have green area kind of set aside for
that infrastructure along the, um, parking all the way
to the, uh, west side that would allow that, um, addition if
and when the need is, is necessary.
So you'll have infrastructure,
uh, for the charging station?
Yes. We're not gonna put in the electric at the time, but,
but we'll have room and be set up to add it.
Thank you. Thank you. Yep. Thank you guys.
And also, I see a lot of constituents out here
with the sign that no more gas station in Warren.
I just wanna say a few things.
Look, planning department
and planning commission planning department are bound
to follow the ordinance.
City of Warren ordinance.
Allow any more gas station for that.
I personally, as a commissioner, I think council has
the authority to change the ordinances.
Planning department. Planning commission has no authority
to change or do anything about this thing.
Yes, we as a planning commissioner, we make decision
based on, you know, the cons, the residence
and neighborhood betterment.
But no more gas station ordinance, amendment only council,
council can do it if you have this kind of concern.
I respect your opinion, but council has the authority
to Aman that, you know, uh, ordinance to limit this thing.
So I hope you guys understand that commission has,
has no right to change any kind of things.
We have to follow the ordinance.
And although at the same time, any of resident
or any business owner, when they apply for any site plan
planning department are bound to follow the ordinance.
Thank you so much.
Anyone else?
Okay, to the petitioner, good evening.
I did some review on the traffic study myself.
I looked at the one from Cisco.
I looked at the one from TIA, which we just got today.
And there's a couple things
that I've learned looking at the traffic study.
And one is on your type of crash types.
Most of your crash types or angle or rear end.
Okay. The lighting in those conditions, 42
of the crashes were during the day.
The weather conditions, 38 of 'em, it was clear
the road conditions, 38 of 'em were dry.
Um, the hazardous hazard action
is failure to yield
or unable to stop.
And with that, that's telling me that
we've got distracted drivers out there
that aren't paying attention to
what's going on in the roads.
Because, I mean, you got people still texting on the phones,
even know they're not supposed to be, you know, like I say,
I think it's mostly 'cause the two highest hazards was
not being a failure to yield and distracted driving.
Um, and it's 109 of it is vehicle accidents.
So another, another part of this, um,
traffic study was interesting, I found is that most
accidents happen on Friday between one and three.
And there are also accidents that happen between Wednesday
between two and three.
And there's a few that act between eight
and nine in the evening on Monday and on Friday.
So there's certain days of the week
that you have more accidents than anything else.
So you have to look at what kind
of situations are happening in those areas
where the accidents are there.
But I still feel that the bottom line is distracted.
Drivers are causing accidents.
You put a car on the road, it's not gonna cause an accident.
You know, people have to pay more
attention to what's happening.
So even with the increase in traffic, the, the interest,
the problems on the freeway being diverted,
it's still about paying attention
to what's going on around you.
And basically, that's all I have to say.
Anyone else have anything to say?
Commissioner Meki?
I, I'd like to say I appreciate the support
of our community when there are concerns that upset people,
and I'm glad you're speaking out and, and coming out.
Um, I also can say that I've been in Warren off of Ryan Road
for over 30 years, and Ryan Road's a bad,
it is a well traveled place, whether it's Mo Road or 6 96
or whatever, it's bad.
But I do also wanna say that we do not want empty buildings.
And I would love to see daycares in
that, but they're not here.
They're not coming. And us as a city,
we need to grow and survive.
But thank you.
Anyone else have anything to say? I got one last comment.
Of the 241 accidents over the last six years, if you divide
that by six years, that works out the 40, 40 a year.
If you divide that by 12 months,
it works out about three accidents a month.
So, I mean, it's really not a big rate of accidents,
but like I say, if we can be more conscious of how we drive,
I think it'll solve the issue.
Roll call please.
Commissioner Ansar.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna start with the people who made motions.
So sorry about that. Commissioner Doe? Yes.
Commissioner uh, hall? Yes. Commissioner Ansar.
Yes. Chair. Can I say few word with that?
What we're, we're doing both. I just wanna,
I just wanna mention, uh, mention comment. I just wanna,
But we're doing the, we're doing the vote right now.
Okay. I, I gave you a chance to, to say what
You had to say. Commissioner
Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Ery? Yes.
Commissioner Murray votes? Yes. Commissioner Beki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve Motion passes. Thank you Commissioners.
Thank you. If we're gonna
take a five minute recess to let uh,
people get set resettle back down again.
I just wanted to comment. You changed my mind. Same one.
Yeah, that's is the reason I changed. I changed my mind.
I changed my mind.
Is there any way,
Take five minutes right now.
I set my, my clock.
I never saw the,
oh, yeah.
Well, what did they say? Is that right?
There's enough. I
can't, I'm old.
Yeah.
I want
And finish it.
Yes. Yes.
No, this one
Is behind the building.
Yeah, they do have an
Space.
Well said. Well said. No, you said you're right.
But you know, we can't hire.
They're coming every time.
And that's what you're saying,
Ordinance, we cannot Change it. We have nothing to do
If change anything.
Go
Spoke to what's up about this personally.
I'm not gonna say which one. Nothing we can do.
He says there's nothing you can do, you know,
as a commission keep, you know, limit the amount.
They, they can't, we can't. He he agreed.
That's why I was like, I should mention this.
They'll understand that this is, you know, you can come.
Well, that's who you should come.
We're gonna resume our meeting in about one minute.
So if you want to get situated again,
we'll get started in about a minute,
What they're doing.
Percent. Knowing what it,
You want me to read the letter?
Why they're postpone it?
Um, is it like A written
letter? We don't need to read that,
Do we?
No, no, No.
Postpone to July 20.
Good evening. Welcome.
We'll resume our commission meeting now, uh, as we resume,
I would like to recognize our Visio, uh, Councilman McGee.
So, item number six B,
Item number six B site plan for outdoor storage
of construction materials
and equipment located on the south side of 10 Mile Road,
approximately 159.1 feet west of gross back, highway
1, 4 0 0 0.
And 1 3 9 7 0, 10 mile road.
Section 25, mark Tini
and Mark Tini slash Rhino Utility and Rental, Inc.
PSP 2 5 0 0 1 3.
This was postponed from April 28th, 2025.
The petitioner request requesters
and the planning department recommends that this item remain
postponed to July 28th, 2025. Thank you.
I need a motion to postpone this item
to July 28th ahead, 2025.
Commissioner chair. Motion.
I make a motion to postpone this till
July 28th.
Support Commissioner Childry
As a motion by Commissioner Hollow,
supported by Commissioner c Childry. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes. Commissioner Antar?
Yes. Commissioner Eyy? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Morey votes Yes. For the postponement.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. To Postpone Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To postpone the July 28th, 2025. Item number six C,
Item number six C site plan for building edition.
Located on the northwest corner
of 12 Mile Road and Longview Avenue.
8 4 2 5 12 mile road, section 10.
Cindy lumbar slash csi, office building, llc,
Melvin Hudson slash csi, office building llc.
PS P 2 5 0 0 2 0. Thank you.
Is the petitioner here this evening? Good evening, sir.
You wanna come up and tell us a little bit
about your project? Great,
Thank you. Good
evening. Um, my name is Melvin Hudson with CSI
and I brought Dan, um,
Berg from our architect, SCO Schafer and Paps.
So, uh, CSI is a nonprofit affordable housing
provider for seniors.
Our headquarters is at 8 4 2 5,
and we, um, we're in four states.
And so this is our, our main office building.
We've been there since 2007
and we've got a, a cramped front reception area.
And so we just wanted to bump it out a couple feet.
So this is a, a really small addition.
It's, uh, 490 square foot.
We're looking to, uh, just increase
that our front lobby and reception area.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes current at and t at
and t does not object to the building addition.
We do have facilities that serve the building,
but I don't think they will be affected.
Please let the petitioner know
that if any conflicts are discovered, they should contact
Joe Croskey to discuss.
Options. Joe can be reached at
5 8 6 7 6 4 8 2 6 1
or js3649@att.com.
Comcast. In response to your utility request for the
above project, please refer to the attached map
for the location of Comcast CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and glean for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com.
D-T-E-D-T-E Electric Company has reviewed the site
plan for building addition.
DT LEC Electric Company has no objection to the
above request impacting 8 4 2 5 12 MA Road section
10 per the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at 5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
MCPW, the McComb County Public Works office.
MCPW has reviewed the site plan for the project reference
above and has determined the proposed site disturbance is
less than one acre
and will not require storm water review from this office.
If required, please reach out
to me at Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 4 6 9 5 9 6 1
for a no objection letter from this office. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary Planning
Department's recommendation.
Thank you, Mr. Chair of the recommendation is as follows,
it is recommended that the site plan for building addition
to existing professional office, uh, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, a the bearings and distances, uh, shall be
provided on the property lines of the site.
Plan B,
all utilities shall be indicated on site plan one C.
Uh, update the zoning in the, uh, site data chart
and indicate the zoning designations on the site.
Plan as follows.
C one local business district,
that would be the South 165 feet
and, uh, P parking district, the North 105
feet 1D provide the zoning district
R three to the North property
and C two to the West property.
On the Plan one E provide additional
information in the, uh, site data chart as follows.
And that is number one,
the existing building square footage.
Number two, the proposed building addition square footage.
Uh, number three, the total
proposed building square footage,
including both the existing
and proposed, um, for the square footage
of the accessory building, the existing garage.
One F provide additional dimensions
on the site plan as follows.
Number one, uh, from the existing building
to the property lines from the proposed addition
to the property lines.
Uh, number three, uh, from the existing garage
to the property lines.
And number four, uh,
the existing trash enclosure to the property line.
One g note shall be
provided stating, uh, open storage
of materials shall not be permitted on the site.
One H. The internal parking spaces
shall measure a minimum nine feet by 20 feet.
The parking spaces along a property line shall measure a
minimum nine feet by 22 feet.
The maneuvering lanes shall be a minimum 22 feet.
Update the site plan to meet the minimum standards.
It appears that the parking spaces are scaling at, uh,
18 feet can be increased
as the maneuvering lanes are scaling at 25 feet
and can be reduced one,
lemme see here, one eye.
Uh, the plan indicates five accessible parking spaces,
one van size provide the dimensions
of the accessible spaces on the site plan.
Additionally, one of the accessible parking spaces
does not have an adjacent access aisle.
Ensure the plan, excuse me.
The plan, uh, meets, uh, a DA requirements
J one J update the parking requirement, uh, per section
4.32 number 19 of the zoning ordinance
for professional offices as follows.
And that is a one parking space for every 200 square feet
of gross floor area and B three
and one half stories minimum calculate as follows.
Gross floor area of the building that is out to out
dimensions of the building multiplied, uh, by a factor
of 80% and that result divided by 200,
which result will give parking requirement.
There have been variances obtained in the past.
However, depending upon the, uh, current calculation
of variance, of variance from the zoning board
of appeals may be required to waive additional parking.
One KA note shall be, uh,
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroach upon properties.
Abutting properties, uh, the light fixtures pole
and base, uh, shall not, uh,
shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture
to the bottom of the base.
At ground level,
all glare shall be eliminated from all light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting shall not be permitted.
Um, okay, one l the right of way, widths of, uh,
12 mile and Longview Avenue
shall be indicated on the site plan.
One MA note shall be
provided stating all landscaped areas shall be
automatically irrigated.
One n add three
five, excuse me, at three
five foot tall Arbor Providee plants installed between each
of the trees in the setback.
And that is on along the east side along
Longview Avenue per Planning Commission approval.
And excuse me, that's incorrect
or no, I guess that is correct.
Uh, planning commission approval
on September 25th, 1978,
one oh labeled the six foot high concrete panel wall
and the decorative black metal fence located along part
of the east property line along the West property line
and between the west side of the building
and the west property line on the site plan include the
height for both, uh, one p.
The public sidewalk shall be labeled on the site plan.
Condition number two, two copies of revised
surveys shall be submitted indicating the following,
and that is, the legal description
does not match city records
and shall be revised condition number three.
The following variance may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division,
and that is to waive additional parking
depending upon the results
of the updated parking calculation.
And finally, we have number four, a performance bond
and the amount of $6,000 posted according
to the estimated cost of $200,000
by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. Weir. This is a public hearing.
If anyone would like to speak on this item,
please come forth, state your name
and address for the record, and
you'll have three minutes to speak.
Scene nine, we'll turn it over to the commission.
Motion to approve set plan support. Supported.
There's a motion by Commissioner Ansar,
support Commissioner Hot. Any discussion?
Uh, Mr. Chairman? Go ahead. Commissioner Jue,
We've got something hanging out from 1978.
How'd that d is there?
Is, is there an outstanding bond on this?
Have you guys been paying on a bond from 78?
No, there's, there's no outstanding bond.
They just, uh, they never did, uh, complete the planting
of those Arbor vi It was overlooked, uh, even by
planting staff back then.
Oh boy. But not by us.
Fair. This could have been me.
It, it was the old rookies, right?
I guess so. Thank you, Ron. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else
To the petitioner?
Um, if you wanna come back, come on up to the podium.
Did you guys get a chance to review the, um, recommendations
and do you agree with all the recommendations
We have reviewed the recommend,
we have reviewed the recommendations.
Um, there's a couple items.
Did we want to discuss the parking?
I guess, you know, we'll run the calculations on the parking
or the way he had expressed it.
Um, we did do a site plan approval in I think 2007.
Like right when we bought the building,
there was a full site plan approval
and a reworking of the whole parking lot.
Then, um, I don't know, I think
that parking might, we might be a little
Off. Sorry. Please keep
your comments into the mic so
We can hear you. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. Um, so yeah, are the, the parking,
we might have a, a bit of an issue with being, uh, slightly
less than the number in the calculations
that were requested.
So I'm not sure what our best bet is on that.
Is that something you would probably work it out
with Ron in the
Yeah, I think, I think so.
I think we can we'll submit based on
what he's asking for here and
Work it out with him. Yeah.
Okay. Thank you. That was the
Other thing.
Thank you. Anyone else? Oh, the go ahead. Yeah,
I was just gonna say, when,
what, when did you guys move in?
Uh, 2007. So yeah, 1978 would've been, yeah,
That, that, that would've, I don't know that
that applies to
The current, but we're happy to plant the trees.
All right. If that's what, thank
You.
Uh, commissioner Ansar, you had something to say?
I'm good. He's good. He's good.
Anyone else have anything to say?
She already said what I wanted to say to the petitioner.
Uh, I got a couple questions.
First of all, you said the addition was 490 square feet?
Yes. And in your letter of intent that you submitted
with your application, it says that
the building is 490 square feet addition, approximately 20
by 24 feet at the main entrance of our office building.
And that's how you get the 490 square feet.
Well, that's, I'm, I do a lot of approximations.
I apologize. It's four 90 is the actual square footage.
I was just showing that it was in rough
figures, like 20 by 24.
We're just, But my problem is, you look at the drawing,
the area of the building is 19 feet, five
and a half inches by 12 foot three inches.
That little square is 12 foot three by 19, five
and a half going across.
And that's not 20 by 24.
Well, there, there's an overhang on the building that's,
that is a, a roof structure that reaches out past it.
That doesn't show it. Do you wanna explain again?
Um, yeah, so there's roughly about eight
or so feet underneath the building to get
to the main entrance currently that
is being renovated
and on the ground floor, that's part of the addition.
When you're looking at it from the, the site plan, it,
it doesn't increase any more, uh, the footprint.
Okay. Now, now I'm looking at the elevation shot on the
building and the ef uh,
the insulated panels that you're putting on it.
If you look at the dimensions going across the front,
the dimensions add up to 19 feet, eight and a half inches.
And if you look at the side view the dimensions add up to
Excuse, He's right here.
Hold on a second. We're we're 20 across.
And then he's adding up these dimensions.
You look at the side view it,
uh, I didn't take a picture of that.
I took a picture of, but I did.
But actually it's, um,
it's, it is more than the, the 12 feet.
So
Y yeah, that's part of the, Uh, it's,
That's the, that's the siding that you're putting in.
But see, it's still not 20 by 24.
The bottom line is what I'm getting at. So,
Right. I think what
he's saying is if you were to,
I should have sent a couple of pictures over
so you could have saw, but what happens is when you're
looking at the front of the building right now mm-hmm.
The storefront is in set right into the building. Right.
So that, that adds to the amount of distance. But we can,
Well, I just, I just looking at the drawing
and what I'm seeing and I looked at
what your dimensions were and I was just trying
to figure out where you came up
with the extra fee footage, you know?
Right. But, uh, I was just commenting on that.
So does anyone else have anything else to say?
Alright, um, roll call.
There was a motion by Commissioner Ansar, supported
by Commissioner Haw Hawk roll call.
Commissioner Ansar. Yes. To approve Commissioner Hawk?
Yes. Commissioner er? Yes. To approve Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. To approve Commissioner Childry. Yes. To approve votes.
Yes. Commissioner Beki? Yes. To approve Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck of the project, sir. Thank
You, sir. Have a good
Evening. Sorry for
the delay this evening. No worries.
Thank you for your patience.
Thank you. Item number six D
Item number 60, site plan for religious center building.
Addition to add second store
to add second story located on the north side
of 12 Mile Road,
approximately 1,137 feet west of Mount Road.
5 4 9 1 12 mile road, section eight.
Rahul Moin slash center for Dawa and Research Inc.
PSP 2 5 0 0 2 1. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary, the petitioner here this evening.
Good evening, sir. Tell us a little bit, chairman,
tell us a little bit about your project
Evening, uh, Mr.
Chairman and the members of the planning committee.
My name is Mohammed Sadik
and I am the project director for the Center for Dawa
and Research Incorporate.
I'm here today to kindly ask your support
and approval for a meaningful addition to our center.
This is a revised version of a project that was approved
back in 2014, but,
but we could not move forward at the time due
to some unexpected challenges.
Now with our growing community, we are bringing it back,
updated and improved
while still following the original guidelines.
We plan to build a two story edition
about 5,800 square feet
with a new prayer hall on the first floor, and the library
and the research center on the second.
These spaces will help us grow spiritually and educationally
and better serve the whole community.
We are also planning to improve the parking
and make traffic flow better inside our property.
These changes will reduce problems, ease, congestion,
and make things better for everyone,
especially our neighbors and drivers along 12 Mile Road.
This project is not about more space,
it's about making our service more welcoming
to the community, more useful,
and being a positive part of the city of Warren.
Thank you for your time and support.
I look forward working together with you
and happy to answer any of your question.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes current at and t at
and t does not object to the proposed building edition,
but we do have a concern to look into.
Per the site plan. There is a power pole to be lo relocated
to allow for, for the addition.
It looks like we may have service wires on that pole
that will need to be relocated
before the work can be proceeded,
before the work can be proceeded.
It will be, I will be sending the information over the
area over the area.
I will be sending the information over
to the area engineer Christine, uh,
Choki to look into.
But please advise the petitioner to reach out to Christie,
also to verify if any relocations are needed
or if it needs to go to our billing group.
For the facility moves, Christie can be reached at
cs3921@att.com
or
5 8 6 3 2 2 8 1 7 9 Comcast.
In response to your utility request for the above project,
please refer to the test map for the location of the Comcast
CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and YOLO for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Cokes cable.
If we can be of further assistance,
please feel free to reach.
Contact us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com.
MCPW, the Macomb County Public Works office,
MCPW has reviewed the site plan for the project reference
above and has determined the proposed site disturbance is
less than one acre
and will not require a storm water review from this office.
If required, please reach out
to me at Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 4 6 9 5 9 6 1
for a no objection letter from this office. Thank you.
Thanks, Madam Secretary.
I do have, I'm sorry, I do have more letters
that were sent over that I'll also actually one letter
and, uh, couple petitioners have signed.
So I'll go ahead and read that letter. Okay, go ahead.
This was sent from Dr uh, hold on. I don't have, okay.
Nan Ana Rahman on, uh,
May 27th, 2025.
Two. Um, two Ron Planning Director.
I hope this message find you, finds you well.
Please find attached a letter of support
for the proposed extension for the Center of Dawa
and Research located at 5 4 9 1 East 12 Mile Road.
We're in Michigan, 4 8 0 9 2.
This matter is scheduled
for a site plan hearing on June 2nd, 2025
to help streamline the hearing
and avoid unnecessary congestion.
A total of 57 neighbor neighbors
and community attendees have signed this letter
in support of the project.
I kindly request that you forward the test letter
to the planning commissioner
and relevant members for the review ahead of the hearing.
Thank you for your time, consideration
and continued service for our city.
Thank you and petitioner.
So this petition, as it was mentioned, it was signed
by 57 neighbors.
Um, and I'll go ahead and read the petition.
Petition to approve new site plan for Prayer hall expansion.
Um, dear Honorable members of the Planning Commission, we,
the undersigned respectfully petitioned the City
of Warren Planning Commission to approve a new site plan
for the construction of a prayer hall extension at the
Center of Dawa and Research located at 5 4 9 1 East 12
My road in Warren, Michigan.
Although site plan was previously approved in 2014,
construction was not initiated due to a lack of funding at
that time, at that.
As that plan has since expired,
we are now hap we are now applying for a new approval
to meet the current and growing needs of our community.
The Center for Dawa
and Research continues to serve as a vital place of worship
and community gathering.
The proposed expansion will greatly enhance the
facility's ability to accommodate attendees comfortably
and provide a more suitable place for payer
and community activities.
We respectfully request your support
and approval of the new site plan so
that this important project may move forward.
Our goal is to ensure that the facility remains a positive,
well-maintained and welcoming space for local residents
and visitors alike.
And we do have 57 neighbors
and communities who have signed this.
Alright, Thank you ma'am. Thank you.
Plain Department's recommendation.
It is recommended that the site plan
for the two story building addition
to an existing mosque be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans shall be submitted,
indicating the following.
One, a, a note shall be
provided stating all outdoor retail sales
of items shall be prohibited on the site one B.
Several dimensions on the site plan are not scaling
to the dimensions listed on the plan.
The plan prepare shall verify all the dimensions
labeled on the site plan.
The plan indicates the building addition is 68 feet wide,
however, it is scaling at 63 feet.
The setback from the building addition
to the west property line is indicated at 42 feet.
However, it's scaling at 38 feet.
One C The square footage
or acreage of disturbance shall be indicated on the site
plan for a disturbance over one acre.
The site shall comply with the city's stormwater ordinance.
Uh, stormwater narrative shall be provided.
One disturbance exceeds one acre
1D The religious institution is reviewed per section five
point 11 of the zoning ordinance.
Add the standards of this section of the zoning ordinance
to the site data chart.
One E The site plan indicates the property is 0.86 acres
and 37,372 square feet.
However, city records indicate the property is 0.5 acres,
which would amount to 37,026 square feet.
Update the plan accordingly.
One f clearly delineate
where the parking lot will be reconstructed.
The north approximately 114 feet
of the parking lot is asphalt
and not level with the south approximately
twenty two hundred and twenty five feet
of the existing parking lot.
One g the curbing around the parking lot shall meet city
of Warren engineering standards.
Uh, one h the parking spaces shall be changed from 18 feet
in length to 20 feet in length.
The minimum maneuvering lane width is 22 feet.
The length shall be measured from the
beginning of the parking stall.
I update the parking calculation on the site plan
to one parking space per 300 square feet.
For the second story research, um, slash library area,
this will require seven parking spaces.
Jay, the 36 foot wide cross axis easement along the west
property line shall be clearly identified
and indicated on the site plan.
KA note shall be
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroached upon upon abutting properties.
The light fixtures pole
and base shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture
to the bottom of the base.
At ground level, all glare shall be eliminated
from all light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting shall not be permitted.
L indicate all existing and proposed lighting on the site.
Plan MA note is
provided on the site plan that the contractor will provide
greater detail later pertaining
to the five foot wide landscape area.
However, this information shall be
provided on the site plan as part of this approval.
N instead of the five foot wide loose stone along the east
and north edge of the parking lot, this area shall be
provided with lawn and plantings, such as small shrubs such
as arrowwood, viburnum, or a sweet spire.
And the northeast corner of the site,
a deciduous tree shall be planted such as a limelight,
hydrangea, or service berry Sperry OA note shall be
provided stating all landscape areas shall be
automatically irrigated.
P The plan indicates the existing hard steel wire fence
along the north property line is to, to remain.
The existing fence is a chain link fence
with vegetation growing on it.
Update the type of fence located along
the north property line.
Q uh, trash enclosures indicated in the site plan in the
northwest corner of the site provide the following standard.
Um, note on the plan, which is a trash enclosure.
Measuring a minimum 10 feet by 10 feet shall be constructed
of six foot high brick and boss port concrete walls
with 45 degree angle cap, half screen gates,
and be placed upon a minimum 10 feet by 18 feet.
Concrete pad that provides an eight foot wide apron masonry
block shall not be used as a construction material.
And number two, per field check of the site,
the following items were observed.
Two a at present,
there's a parallel parking space located along the chain
link fence, which separates a petitioner's property
and the collision shop to the west.
And on the fence, there's a sign
that indicates a reserved parallel
parking space for the Imam.
If this parking space is to remain,
then it shall be dimension and labeled on the site plan.
Uh, number two, B debris was identified in the northeast
corner along the fence line
and also the west fence line Number three,
the planning staff has observed on numerous Fridays,
which is the primary day of worship.
The following issues. Three, a extreme disruption
of traffic flow on 12 Mile Road before
and after the worship service.
Uh, the result is an unsafe scenario
for the worshipers entering the site
from the westbound right lane,
which backs up at least five vehicles at the maximum.
And worshipers using the eastbound center lane
Center turn lane backs up five or more vehicles.
Three B worshipers attempting
to leave the facility are mostly forced
to exit westbound on 12 Mile Road.
Congested at the driveway
and roadway intersection at times is at its maximum.
Three C designated worshipers locate themselves in the
driveway and 12 mile road to direct traffic.
Uh, these people at a minimum should
be provided with orange vest.
Uh, warm police officers should be the, those
that are drafting traffic.
3D The worship times on Fridays, um, shall be separated
by at least a half hour to allow from safe entry
and exit of the site for the worshipers
and noted on the site plan.
Number four, the following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division.
For a, to construct the building addition along the east
property line, that addition will align with the
existing building four B
to waive the six foot high required poured concrete wall
or eight foot wide green belt along the north property line.
And number five, the performance bond in the amount
of $24,000 be posted according to the estimated cost
of $800,000 by the petitioner.
Um, note, the Planning Commission currently retains a
performance cash bond in the amount of $7,500, um,
as a guarantee for site improvements.
And that was from that previous project that was mentioned.
Uh, once the new bond is submitted
for this new project planning staff will add this old bond
to a planning commission agenda to release that.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thank you, Ms. Michelle.
Mr. Chair? Yes.
Um, one more letter was included, which I forgot to read.
I would like to read that before the
public comment starts. Oh,
Okay. Go
Ahead. Okay. So this
was sent on,
There's Not a date. Sorry
about that. From MD Abdul Hakim.
Dear Honorable members of the Planning Commission,
my name is MD Abdul Hakim
and I am the owner of NYC Halal Eats.
Located at 5 3 7 7 12 Mile Road.
Just a few doors down from the Center of Dawa.
In research, I am writing to express my full support
for the proposed site plan
and expansion of the prayer hall at the Center
for Dawa in research,
located at 5 4 9 1 East 12 Mile Road in Warren
as the neighboring business,
I have witnessed firsthand the positive impact this facility
has had on the community and the surrounding area.
The center bring consistent foot, foot traffic,
a family friendly atmosphere, and a sphere of peace
and cooperation cooperative to the neighborhood.
An expansion of the prayer hall will not only benefit
worshipers and community members,
but it will also have a positive effect on
local businesses like mine.
Increase attendees and activities at the center naturally
contribute to more visits to neighbor nearby establishment,
which helps boost the local economy.
It's truly a win-win for both the religious community
and the business district.
The Center for Dawa
and Research has always been respectful, well managed,
and a community oriented.
I strongly believe that this expansion will farther enhance
its role as a value valuable asset to the City of Foreign.
I respectfully urge the planning commission
to approve the site plan for,
so this beneficial project can move forward.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Sincerely, MD Abdul Hakim. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary, this is a public hearing.
If anyone would like to speak on this item, please come up,
state your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Uh, good evening. Good evening. My name is Maria Locke.
I'm currently a college student
and I live just a few blocks away from the Center
for Dawan Research.
I'm here today to support the new site plan.
The center is a very, very important part of our community.
And expanding it will make a huge difference, especially
for young people like myself.
Right now, the space is very limited.
However, with the expansion, I believe that my community
and I will be able
to join the prayers more comfortably
without all the crowding.
It's a very peaceful place,
and this improvement will definitely help better serve
everyone in our community.
So I kindly ask that you approve the plan. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good evening. Good Evening.
Uh, my name is, uh, SHA Rahman.
Uh, I reside, I reside near the Center
for Dawa and Research.
I'm basically here today to support, uh,
to express my strong support
for the proposed development plan for the facility.
Um, due to the center's growing activities
and increasingly daily visitors, uh,
there is a significant need for additional space.
Uh, this newly proposed parking lot will offer tremendous
capacity, ensuring ease of access for all the attendees.
At the moment, the center faces spatial limitation
and this plan aims to resolve that effectively.
Additionally, the improvement will not only create a
welcoming environment for the community gatherings,
but it'll enhance the overall look of the building,
making it more attractive to look at.
Um, I would say that, you know,
this development will be highly beneficial for my family
and children as well as the community, um,
who will greatly enjoy visiting the center.
And the, this proposed improvement will further
enrich our experience
and strengthen our connection with the community itself.
So I respectfully request your approval for this plan,
and I do thank you for your time
and considerations. Thanks.
Thank you, sir.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good evening. Uh, good evening Spectrum
members of the Planning Commission.
My name is, IM Achmed
and I'm a neighbor to the Center, center
for the and Research.
I'm here to support the proposed
improvement to the facility.
The center is growing and more space is clearly needed.
The newly resurfaced parking lot will be large enough
to make access easier and safer for everybody.
Currently, the space is limited,
but the plan will help fix that.
It'll also provide a better place
for the community gathering
and the new building will look beautiful.
I respectfully ask you to approve this plan
and support the continuous growth
of our community. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good evening. Uh, my name is Tanem Shri.
Uh, I am, I live, uh, in south of, uh, 12 miles.
Uh, and I'm a regular, uh, attendance, uh, to this, uh,
place of, I think, uh, it's, uh, just, uh, uh,
uh, asking demand that we've been demand asking, you know,
from, uh, hoping for this project to go forward.
We had, uh, overcrowding issues
and, uh, attendees, uh, here to, uh,
we had overflow and still for city re residents.
Uh, as a city resident, we should be able to pray, uh,
be in the, uh, place of warships, uh, during, uh, you know,
the, the hot days
and, uh, cold winter days, be able to, um, accommodate our,
uh, attendees, uh, safely.
So, uh, I appreciate that are the, the officials, uh, the,
for that, uh, uh, center for Dawa that, that took that step
to move this, uh, project forward
and, uh, uh, uh, to support that We all
been looking forward to this project.
That this, this is go for, this will go forward
and accommodate, uh, the more, uh, our families
and, uh, especially children that when they go, uh,
and for everybody.
So I hope, uh, you take it that into,
in sincere considerations
and, uh, uh, approve this project, uh,
to go forward. Thank you.
Thank you sir. Anyone
else like to speak on this part?
On this item?
Senior nine will turn object. The commission.
Commissioner chair, I make a motion
to approve with discussion
Support. Maury.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow,
supported by Commissioner Ma.
Go ahead with the discussion.
Can, can the petitioner step forward please?
I just have a couple quick questions. Thank you. Thank you.
Sounds like very, you've much needed.
Um, but just to have a quick question
for on the recommendations from our planning department.
Do you have any problems with any of 'em,
especially like the traffic, you know, like 1.3
that he brought up with the traffic flow off coming in
and outta your worship place?
Uh, we, we, that's one
of the reason we started this project.
And one of the thing is, uh, the old building,
the current building is,
the main entrance is about just 20 feet off of 12 mile Road.
Okay. So what happens many times in Friday,
the prayer time is about 10 minutes.
Many times, uh, you have the attendees
who bring their elderly parents, you know,
they just wanna drop them off right next
to the main entrance.
Couldn't see, which is about only 20 feet from 12.
My road, although we remind them so many times, you know,
they don't wanna listen, but, you know,
we cannot force them to do anything.
So one of the thing we decided that, you know
what the best way to do it,
if we can move the main entrance about 150 feet
and face north of the building.
And that's literally solved all the problem of 12 by road.
Oh, Thank you. That, that sound like a very good idea.
Trust me. I know who it is dealing
with sometimes changing old ideas.
Great. Okay.
That concludes my questions, sheriff. Thanks
There. Anyone else?
Mr. Chair? Yes. Yes, go ahead. Oh, go ahead.
Um, I just have a quick question.
So if this goes through
and this, uh, gets approved, uh,
when will the construction start?
Uh, construction should start within two to three months
because the engineering department has
to look at it after that.
As soon as, I mean, we are trying to
bring the project before winter.
Mm-hmm. So it depends on how we can work out the,
the engineering department of the design and everything.
Is the current place gonna be closed during construction?
No. Okay. So you're still gonna be having prayers the Friday
and um, everything's gonna still go on.
Right. Um, with the second floor being added,
are you gonna have separate sections for women too, or
That's what that's another part.
Uh, reason that we are also, uh,
the old portion will be fully devoted for women.
Okay. The old, the first
Floor? Yes. Current, current
building right now will be
devoted for women only.
Okay. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank
You. Anyone else, Mr. Chair?
Mr. Ansar?
Um, our planning stop
and our commissioner has a concern about the traffic
Friday traffic.
I think, you know, you guys reviewed the recommendation
number three, uh, number three c
designated worshipers located, uh,
locate themself in the driveway
and a 12 mile road to, uh, direct traffic.
These people, at minimum should be
provided with the orange vest
or police officer should be the
people, uh, directing traffic.
I think you have this plan.
We actually have two person with, uh, blue vest.
I mean, uh, directing the traffic
for past almost three years.
And many time what happens is,
is we need additional people to control the traffic.
We wanna make sure that our community at our
neighbors have been taken care of.
And this is before the recommendation.
We've been doing it for past three years.
Nobody has approached us.
This is just for the sake of our neighbors
and our business who are next door to us.
Thank you. Thank you. I, I, I goes to this mosque,
uh, for, you know, prayers.
So I know that you guys do this thing
because, you know, uh, planning staff also has a concern.
Community has the same concern when not only any, uh,
especially any mosque is out there.
So prayer times it's really, you know, traffic times.
So community commission staff,
everyone has a concern about this, uh, uh, traffic.
So, uh, thank you so much and thank Good luck.
Thank you very much. Commissioner
Chair, I have a question.
Did you guys get a, um, chance
to review all the recommendations
and do you agree with the recommendations? Yes,
We do. Okay. And
then another question,
do you have two separate Friday prayer times? We
Do. Currently we have,
uh,
two separate Friday prayers at one
o'clock and at two o'clock.
Two o'clock. So that kind of eases off the congestion.
Yeah. One of the reason is this congestion,
as I mentioned, we are also concerned
before the funding commission
and that's one of the reason we decided that we wanted
to move the entrance a hundred,
at least 130 feet from the 12 mile road.
Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.
Anyone else? Yes, uh, Mr. President, go
Ahead, Mr. Commissioner.
Ha. So I don't have a question actually.
Uh, whatever question is already asked.
So I'd like to give a thanks to traditional
those come up here
and submit a s plan to serving the community.
I have a chance to attend few times at their place.
It is very nice place and it's very helpful.
They've been helping people for a long time.
And, uh, I have a one, uh, I have a one question.
So there is a gravel area
on the north side of the parking lot.
So what is your plan about? That's
The purpose of one of our extension.
We are turning into a fully functional parking lot.
That will be a new parking lot.
Uh, that's something we're applying for
On the north side. North
side, yes. Sort of, uh, north by the wood.
Right, right. Okay. Um, good luck. Thank you so much.
Thank you very much. You here,
Anyone else have anything to say?
Mr. Chairman? Go ahead. Mr. If I may go ahead.
Um, I think that moving the, uh, entrance
and exit to the north side is going to,
is gonna alleviate a whole bunch of this stuff up
and down 12 mile Road.
Um, I used to know the, uh,
the fellow that used to own this building
and this was a restaurant, uh,
bar type situation at one point in time.
Do you have any, did you guys buy the liquor license?
Get rid of the liquor license?
Do you have any use for a liquor license?
I have no idea about any of those stuff.
Wanna buy it? I don't wanna buy it.
Uh, it's a fair question.
'cause I remember going there,
there was a guy I think on TFA that owned it.
Right. That it was, it was a decent restaurant.
Um, and I just wanted to know what happened
with all the stuff previously.
Right. But I commend you on doing this.
Um, it's nice to see, uh, I hated to drive past it
and seeing it empty.
If I find those information, I'll get back to you.
I'd appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Thank you, sir. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this?
Uh, I I have one question, Mr. President. Okay.
How do you control the overflow? Do you have any like, uh,
We have two, two personnel who are currently controlling,
uh, the Friday traffic and also in his
special, they like need traffic.
We have two personnel. Uh, he was his, uh, uh, US veteran,
uh, US army veteran for almost 10, 15 years.
So he's been voluntarily taking care of this responsibility?
Uh, no. I, I have a question.
Like, uh, if you have a over, over, uh, flooded traffic,
the neighboring, so do you have any
One of the thing that The signs?
Yes. One of the thing that we do, we close the parking.
There is no entrance. Once the parking lot is full,
we put counts in there and they have to go someplace else.
Thank you. I have a question. So who monitors that?
Like the person that's controlling the traffic? Yes.
They mon they close it off. Yes. Okay.
Anyone else?
To the petitioner? Good evening, sir.
I was by there and looked at the project today
and I was concerned with the traffic also.
And uh, do you have an ingress egress between your place
and the collision shop next door?
We do, we do have, uh, we don't use it yet,
but we will be using it.
We do have an easement agreement with them to use
that, their property line.
Okay. I talked to the gentleman that works there.
He was saying that when you have services over there,
you take cars and you block that.
So there's no access to his property.
One, one of the thing is, is we block them
for their own safety because we don't want anybody else
to park in their property and bother them.
That's one of the reasons we just stop it.
If they want it, we would love to open it up.
Well the problem was you had it blocked at one time.
He had a tow truck to come
and get one of the cars in the shop
and the tow truck couldn't get into his place
because it was blocked.
Plus there were people parking in his parking area
that was at the service next door
and also two doors down at the little strip mall.
They were parking in there at the service.
Um, my concern is how many, uh,
people come to these services approximately?
We, we have currently about 55 spots.
You know, uh, sometime when Friday prayer comes in,
maybe it gets a little bit overcrowded.
We exactly don't have the numbers right now
Because you have parking spaces for 75 people. Right
Now we do have 75 parking Spaces.
But you don't do, he was saying when your parking lot got
full, that's when you start, they
start parking everywhere else.
So if that parking lot's not being utilized all the way
through, then that could cause the issue.
But if you're going to use the parking lot,
redo the parking lot to
where you end up having the 75 spaces,
then there really shouldn't be any need
for them to park anywhere else.
Exactly. That's one
of the reason we are extending the parking
lot, uh, behind us.
We only use only one portion of the parking lot.
That's about like two third of the parking
lot we currently use.
And we should be able to get few more, at least another 25
to 30 parkings once we uh, uh,
implement the current, uh, extension.
Okay. And that wood fence that you got along the side
there that says that's being taken down.
There's a, we haven't taken down any fences yet.
You know, I think, uh, one of the recommendation
for the north of the, uh, building, uh,
which there's a changing fence
and there's the, uh, state of Michigan, I think is, uh,
restriction from I think state owned property behind, um,
our building, which is the north of the building.
You know, I think the recommendation was to build, um, a,
uh, brick wall, you know,
and there's the chain wall chain link fence
already existed there.
Uh, we are looking into variance regarding that
to maintain the chain link fence.
This way it's better. We can see it.
We will have a better view of the wood,
uh, behind the facility.
The, our findings show that the wood fence,
this is on the east side
where the collisions the other mechanical shop is,
is supposed to be removed.
Uh, there, there was no recommendation regarding that.
I will take a look at it. If it's, uh,
recommended, we'll remove that.
Okay. Because the building itself, the edge
of the building of your, your older building
and the new one where it's attached is actually sitting
right on the pri right on the property line.
Right. There's no, there's no distance from
the property line to the building.
So if you're gonna park cars along that area there, you have
to have a five foot setback where the cars along that area.
Yes, we will do that. Okay.
Um, I think it's a good idea as far as traffic wise to
bring the front door to the back and
therefore you may not even need the person
in the street directing traffic.
Thank You. So how long, uh, do,
do these services go on for?
Uh, the Friday services?
It's basically 10 minutes, uh,
from the people coming in
and going, it's about, we finish it about 35 minutes.
So we have two prayers on Fridays.
Okay. And so if you've got 55 people
and you got 75 spaces,
there shouldn't be bike parking outside anywhere else.
Right. And that eg grace has to be,
has needs to be stayed open.
Right. You know. And now, uh, along the, uh,
fence on the west side,
there's a parallel parking spot for Iman.
Yes. We will be removing those, all of those parking
because we have a new design that was submitted to,
uh, the planning commission.
We will be following those direction.
Okay. Alright. Very good sir.
Uh, if nobody else has any other questions,
Do you have one?
Oh, okay.
Okay. That was a motion by Commissioner Haw Hollow
ti Sorry.
Supported by Commissioner Maury roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Moy votes. Yes. Commissioner Ansar? Yes.
Commissioner er? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. To approve Commissioner Beki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project, sir.
Item number seven, correspondence.
Item item number seven, site plan
for machine shop building edition located on the northeast
corner of Miller Drive in Hollington Worth Avenue.
6 8 5 5 Miller Drive, section 4 6 8 5 5 Miller Road,
LLC slash Daniel Blake,
dedicated machine slash Daniel Blake PSP 2 3 0 0 1 1
Approved on May 8th, 2023.
Conditions never completed, expired on May 8th, 2025.
I I need a motion to, to recognize an expired site plan.
Motion to, um, recognize an expired site plan.
Commissioner Childry,
Support Dre.
There's a motion by Commissioner Childry.
Support Commissioner dse. Roll call. Commissioner
Chare. Yes.
Commissioner dse? Yes. Commissioner Anza? Yes.
Commissioner Haldi? Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes.
Commissioner Mo votes? Yes. Commissioner Denki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. They recognize expire site plan.
I'm number eight, old business eight a
Eight. A site plan
for new multi-family development as part
of approved PUD located on the north side of 10 Mile Road,
approximately 759.1 feet west of Shayna Road.
Section 23 1 3 0 4 1 10 Mile Road,
Lorenzo Cavalier Warren 10 mile residential L-L-C-P-S-P
2 2 0 0 1 A.
Approved on June 13th, 2022.
First extension request approved to June 13th, 2025.
Petitioner is requesting a second one year extension
to June 13th, 2026.
Postponed from May 12th, 2025. Thank you.
I don't know if the petitioner has a representative here
any this evening, Mr.
Cavalier. Okay,
then I need a motion to approve a second year.
We do have second. Oh, I didn't see sneaking down.
Good evening, sir. Good
Evening, Mr. Chair
and commissioners.
Lorenzo Cavalier, 3 0 0 7 8 Shana Road,
suite 300, Warren, Michigan.
Uh, we're, uh, requesting an extension
to our site plan approval, uh, for a project off
of 10 Mile Road, uh, which is a multifamily development
of one and two bedroom and, uh, one
and two bedroom apartment units, as well
as three bedroom townhouse style with attached garage units.
So are you making a change in the plan
or you just need the extension for get things working or,
Uh, tonight we're looking for an extension to the plan.
Okay. Are there gonna be changes or just an extension?
Uh, just an extension.
Uh, we're considering possibly some changes,
but if we do, we come before, uh,
before this commission, uh, to present them.
Alright. Thank you sir.
Thank you for attending us tonight. Thank you. Okay.
Uh, I need a motion for his
Mr. Chairman. I'll
make a motion that we grant the extension
Support. Commissioner Charie
has a motion by Commissioner Tuesday,
support by Commissioner Charie to extend the extension
to June 12th. Oh no.
June 13th. June 13th, 2026. Yes. Sorry about that.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you, sir. Thank
You very much. Have a good
evening. Item eight B,
Item number eight B site plan for building addition
and relocation of existing fuel canopy located on the east
side of Ddo Road, approximately 699 feet west south
of 14 Mile Road.
3 2 6 0 0 Ddo Road, section six,
Penske Truck Leasing corp co slash Mike Barnes.
Justin Miller, PSP 2 3 0 0 1 7.
Approved on June 12th, 2023.
Petitioner is requesting a one year extension
to June 12th, 2026. Thank
You. Is the petitioner
here? I see you coming down.
Thanks for your patience for this evening.
Uh, good evening. Uh, my name is Matt Hadar, uh,
representative with Kimley Horn on behalf of, uh, Penske.
Um, addressed, uh, 3000 Town Center, suite 2,600 Southfield,
Michigan, um, here to just seek an extension, um,
for a site plan approval for the Penske facility.
Um, the owner delayed, um, construction
a few years back, but when our initial approval was granted
in 23, um, due to some, uh, concerns with just finances
and, uh, the, uh, phasing of the project, uh,
since then those issues have been resolved
and now they're seeking extension,
which is due to expire this month.
So. Alright. Very good, sir.
Uh, does anybody have any questions for him? Or
Motion?
Motion? Uh, for extension?
Huh? Motion for one year extension.
Right. Are you making a motion? Yes, I
Am. Okay.
I Support it.
Ask commissioner and sorry.
Supported by Commissioner Hawk. Commissioner
Supported by Commissioner Hawk.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations, sir.
You got your one year extension to June 12th, 2026.
Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. You too.
Item number eight C,
Item number eight C Reise site plan for drive
through window for pharmacy.
Located on the northeast corner of 12 Mile
and Quida Road, 2 0 0 3 12 mile Road, section seven, city
of Warren, approved on April 22nd, 1996.
This site is a former Rite Aid, a new development sheets,
gas station and convenience store
with outdoor seating is applying
for site plan approval for this site.
The original 7,500 surety bond was released on
May 12th, 2025.
Close out the file. Thank you.
Need a motion to close out the file?
Motion to close it out. Mr. Chairman.
Support Commissioner Childry.
There's a motion by Commissioner Za.
Support by Commissioner Childry. All in favor a. Aye.
Any opposed? Item number nine, bond release. Seeing none.
Item number 10. New business. Seeing none.
Item number 11, citizen participation.
I don't see anybody in the audience.
So item number 12,
planning commission business 12 a planning directors report.
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
And of course, this is from last, uh, May 12th, uh, up
to now.
And just some of my activities along with, uh,
with the planning staff.
And of course on the 12th we had
the planning commission meeting.
Same day I had, uh, also a meeting, mayor's meeting with,
uh, uh, the rest of, uh, the department heads.
That's typical of what we do.
Um, that was the same. Lemme see. Okay.
On that was on the next day, on the 13th.
It was also city council.
That's when they adopted the city budget.
And the current budget that we have for, uh,
the planning commission.
Uh, on the 14th, uh, had a meeting with,
uh, a group of people.
They're in the, uh, aircraft contractor group,
five buildings they wanna put together.
And, um, it's a rather interesting, uh, uh, task, uh, ahead
of us to try to help them out.
So that was, uh, that was on the 14th.
We had that meeting with them.
Um, on the 19th we were talking with,
uh, where are we
here on Mound?
It was on Mound Road.
There's already a car wash there
and they wanna do a storage building and,
and some parking area on the 20th.
Uh, we went to the, uh, we, I say Michelle
and I went to the map, uh, spring Institute,
uh, east Lansing.
And that was, uh, for Renew Renewable Energy
and everything that goes with that, that type
of thought process, uh, climate action.
And, uh, so we, we spent the day in Lansing.
And, uh, It was, uh,
pretty interesting, needless to say,
a couple days later on the 21st, we had a, a second meeting
with, uh, DDA representatives and the,
and the controller talking about the expansion
of the DDA, the boundaries.
And we're gonna, we're gonna help
the DDA out with that task.
And, uh, and with the economic, uh, development staff
try to get that expanded, which may expand the TA area.
Also, if we've got businesses we want to include, uh, there
on the, uh, lemme see here.
Now, on the 22nd, I met with, um,
Dan, uh, Vic, uh, he works for, uh, Mr.
Ladi. And we had to just, we recheck, uh, some of the,
the measurements and that sort of thing on Mr.
L's proposal for that, uh, retail site on Van D**e.
It was gonna have multiple housing
and it's, it's not gonna have any of that.
So it's just a re uh,
it's turned into a retail place that they'll rehab.
Uh, on the 23rd, we met with, uh,
the petitioner Mark, uh, Cini from the last meeting
discovered a lot of things about the site and about him.
And, uh, so there's, uh, that, that's why you see that
postponed on tonight's meeting, we weren't ready
and he's not ready.
So, uh, we'll, we'll get, we'll get him back here
for site plan approval.
Um, we had, uh, a meeting with, um,
what was it, excuse me, Michelle, the,
what was the name, name of the, um, market that wants to go
to, uh, Gardner White.
CK Market. Ck ck yeah, mentioned earlier, CK.
So they wanna turn into a market. Okay.
Fresh foods and all that type of thing.
And, uh, they're looking at a parking lot in the back, uh,
to, to add parking.
That's where, uh, trucks will come in
and deliver the produce and so on and so forth.
So that's quite a, quite an expansion,
but it's a good use empty building.
We hope it works out we'll.
We'll try to make, make them fix it up the best way
we possibly can.
So, um,
so down the road on 14 Mile Road on the 27th, we met with,
uh, uh, another group, um, at Art Van.
I'll call it Art Van. Most people know it that way,
but Art Van also had a bit of a,
like a retail shopping center next to it, to the west.
And, uh, they, so it's turned into Gardner White.
They sold it, uh, to a union group.
And, uh, so they, they need to, um,
get some minor approvals so they can open up, uh,
approvals to their site plan.
And, uh, they've got some issues with, uh, uh, trucks
entering on that site to go north to,
I think it was Amazon, if I remember correctly.
Yeah, pretty odd.
But they're, they're, they're doing a cut through move
and, uh, the union people think it's gonna tear up their
parking lot, something terrible.
So there are things you have to do to stop
that type of activity.
So we talked about that.
Um, had another meeting with the DA
and that was on the 29th, uh, the expansion,
so we're still going over the details on that.
Um, on the 29th also, uh, staff,
uh, met with, um, a petitioner's name is Joe Zi,
and they're looking hard at, uh, the
can't, what's the name of the, or I'm sorry.
It's a, alright, where's where the Circle K
gas station is on Van D**e as you go just north from the,
the expressway next to it.
You see that the sign called Williams,
there's a building there.
They bought the building
and beyond that is a restaurant right next to it.
It used to be an Italian restaurant.
Well, they bought them both,
and they're looking to put a use there, particularly
a car wash that will require a rezoning.
So we'll see how that all works out.
They're pretty serious about it.
And, uh, so you'll, you'll see the,
the proposal here first before it goes to city Council.
Um, so let me see here.
On the 30th, uh, met, uh, in the mayor's office with, uh,
the Town Center Committee.
Uh, Amanda was at that meeting
and, uh, she's part of the committee
talk about the downtown area.
Uh, they gave us, uh, uh, some examples, five,
no what, 5, 7, 7 examples on different ways
how the down the downtown town center could look.
And they, the, the committee settled on,
uh, some of the thoughts.
Uh, the, the planner, uh, Bob, uh, Gibb
made most of the presentation along with Tom ba Marto.
So we're gonna keep trying to move forward with, with the,
with the downtown area.
And, um, let me see.
That's per, that's enough.
I don't want to tack out anymore.
That's, that's, that's a good amount.
Thank you, Mr. So If you have any questions,
Anybody have any questions?
Mr. We,
You all, you all want to get outta here, right?
I am number 12. I do 12 BI do have a question.
Planning, commission, discussion and concerns.
I just like to, I do
Have a question. I do
have a question to ask him.
Oh, I received an email today, 2:00 PM
we all heard serving the
community as a public servant.
So when we received an email like, you know,
daytime 2:00 PM it is becoming hard for us to review
and go through all, we got really short time.
So I'm gonna request, um, department
and also, um, the petition.
So please give us time, you know, if you send anything
to the commissioner so we can, we can review this thing
and, you know, we can come up with the best decision
As, as soon as we received it in the morning,
that's when we met amongst ourselves
and decided we had to get that to you.
Um, and you were supposed to drop all your work
and read this before you came here tonight.
No, you have to give us a time
and enough time to read this thing.
We have a day, day, day job. Everyone has a day job, right?
They didn't, and I'm just, I'm not just saying it to you.
They give us time. It's a, it is, you know, same
to the petitioner also.
Uh, so if we have enough time so we can review all
of those thing, we can come up with the best decision.
They, they probably had it ready last week.
That, excuse me.
That was on purpose that they did it that way.
All right. Thank you. Yes. Uh, Mr.
President, I have a question for you.
You mentioned in your report that you met with,
uh, aircraft people.
So what did you do with them?
What, what they're trying to do
for the people from the aircraft or something
For, I'm sorry, from where? The
Aircraft. Aircraft, yeah.
Aircraft.
My, oh, air, air. The aircraft place, as you mentioned.
And what, sorry, what is your question about that?
No, my question is, uh,
what was the purpose was the meeting
Purposes. There are
five buildings that are on one street,
and they, they want to combine them all so
that they can complete the, you know, their process
and what their, uh, what their manufacturing is.
But in the process of combining them, they're,
they're on a street where they,
they don't have a very deep property.
All five don't have a very deep property.
So it creates a problem with setbacks.
They wanna attach 'em all together.
Uh, they need parking requirements
and a lot of it will require variances.
But this is the aircraft industry we're talking about here,
defense type of, uh, manufacturing.
And we want to help 'em as much as we can.
Thank you. You're welcome.
Thank you Mr. Ward. Thank you.
So you don't have any room for a runway? Eh?
We'll create one if we have to. How's that?
Uh, plan commission discussion concerns.
I'd like to thank the police officer
for sitting in on our meeting this evening.
Thank you, sir, for your time.
I'd like to thank attorney Jennifer Pierce for sitting in
as attorney for us this evening,
and if no one else has any concerns.
Number 13, calendar pending matters. Seeing none.
I call number 14, adjournment.
I need a motion to adjourn. Motion to
Adjourn. Mr. Chair.
Sorry. There a motion
by Commissioner Doe Support coming by Commissioner Anza.
All in favor? A. Any opposed, have a good evening, everyone.
Yes.