Good evening.
Welcome to the City of War
and Planning Commission meeting on July 14th.
We please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. I
Allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America, America.
And to the republic for to stands,
one nation, indivisible. Liberty with liberty
All.
Roll call Commissioner an
President. Commissioner
dse. Present. Commissioner Hollow
Present. Commissioner
Hawk. Commissioner Childry Present.
Commissioner Maurice Present. Commissioner Beki Present.
Commissioner Smith.
Present, uh, I need a motion to excuse Commissioner Hawk.
So moved. Mr. Chairman, I second that motion
As a motion by Commissioner Ddue,
supported by Commissioner Hawk.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Item number four, approval of the agenda.
Motion to approve the agenda.
Maury Support Commissioner c Childry.
That is a motion by Commissioner Maury,
supported by Commissioner Chowdry.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Item number five, approval of the minutes
of June 16th, 2025.
I make a motion to approve the minutes
Support. Morning.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Bore.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Item number six. A
Item number six.
A subdivision lot split request located on the south side
of cool year, uh, avenue, approximately
1402.97 V
east of Shana Road.
One parcel lot 48 to be split into two parcels.
Section 36 1 4 0 3 6. Cool year. Cool year.
Scott skeleton slash skeleton properties.
L-L-C-P-S-L-S 2 5 0 0 0 1.
Postponed from June 16th, 2025. Thank you.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Can you come up to the mic and
tell us a little bit about your project?
Yeah. Um, it's an existing single family
Property. Is your mic button on, sir?
I think so. Maybe I gotta get a little closer.
There we go. Thank you.
Um, it's an existing, uh, single family dwelling on a,
a double lot that I'm looking to split in the two lots and,
and build a, a new home on the
what will be a new vacant lot.
All right, thank you. Any correspondence?
Yes. Correspondence, taxes, current engineering.
Preliminary review of this site yelled at,
no comments from the engineering division police.
WPD does not foresee any issue with splitting the law.
Comcast, we have aerial facilities that are in the area,
but we do have conflicts with the proposal. Thank you.
Thank you Madam Secretary.
Planning Department's recommendation.
No conflicts?
Yeah. Okay.
Thank you Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, subdivision lot split
for lot 48
to be split into two parcels measuring 60 feet
and 65 feet and width to be approved conditionally.
Subject to the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, the petitioner, uh,
submitted, uh, the 15 copies of revised survey plans
and the project will be forwarded
to city council for final approval.
Number two, the lots
and abutting streets shall be graded and drained.
The petitioner shall send a letter
to the public service director requesting an
inspection of the site.
The director in turn, uh, forwards the request
to the engineering division to perform the inspection.
A copy of the positive results, uh,
of the inspection shall be
provided to the planning department.
And there's a note that on uh, June 18th, 2025,
the city engineer provided a report to the public
service director.
The letter is provided in the packet
and this condition is satisfied.
Uh, condition number three.
The utility companies, uh, be given the opportunity
to obtain any easements, uh, that they may require.
Number four, an existing overhead wire runs
from the existing home.
That's, uh, 14 0 36 Collier Avenue
to the southeast corner
of the proposed new parcel.
Uh, this condition, let's see. Hold on.
Uh, this overhead wire, uh, may need to be relocated prior
to the construction of a new dwelling.
Number five, uh, approval of the City Council.
Of City Council shall be obtained.
City council approval shall become effective upon compliance
with all conditions listed.
Uh, the petitioner shall complete the, uh, excuse me,
conditions within one year.
And number six, the petitioner shall provide, uh,
the planning department with documentation indicating
that all conditions as assigned are completed.
The department then notifies the city clerk
that a certified copy of the resolution shall be recorded
with the Macomb County registered deeds.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. Wir. This is a public hearing.
If anyone would like to speak on this item, please come up
and state your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission.
This, Mr. Chairman, being that this is, uh,
a controversial item, I'd like to make a motion
that we approve the lot split, uh,
per the recommendation of staff.
Okay. Support Commissioner Chore.
There is a Motion by Commissioner dse.
Support by Commissioner Chore. Any discussion?
Seeing none. Roll call.
Commissioner Doe. Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow? Yes.
Commissioner Mor T? Yes. Commissioner Beke? Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Thank you sir. Thank you.
And, uh, good luck with your project. Thank you.
Item number six B,
Item number six B site plan for open storage
of vehicles and trailers.
Located 1000, 20 point 31 feet east of Mile Road
and 1848.8 feet south of 10 Mile Road.
Uh, 2 4 2 3 0 Mount Road, section 28.
Richard Confl, uh, slash Ace Real Estate.
Michelle Petris slash Ace real Estate.
PS P 2 5 0 0 1 0. Thank you.
Good evening. Hello.
Can you tell us a little bit about your project?
Well, we've been running it for about 20, 25
Years. Can you talk into the mic so
we can hear you?
We've been running it for about 20, 25 years,
running it out to a tow company
where they just drop the cars that they pull from the city
of Warren and then they do business elsewhere at their brick
and mortar, Ellis Towing and McComb Towing. So
It's been open. Is the, is
the light on on your mic, sir?
Yes. Okay.
Can come a little closer so we can hear a little bit better.
No, we've just been running an open storage lot
for 20, 25 years.
Um, Ellis Towing, McComb Towing rents it.
They just put their overflow vehicles there
and then they bring 'em to their locations to
have the customers pick 'em up
or whatever, insurance companies.
Alright. Thank you sir. Any correspondence?
Yes, correspondence, Texas Current Engineering
p preliminary review.
This site shows that there is no storm sewers in the
immediate vicinity of this site.
However, there is a 52 feet
county storm sewer on Mount Road.
Police WPE does not foresee any issue with the site plan.
At and t at and t does not object to this proposal.
Comcast, we have aerial
and underground facilities in the area,
but no conflict with the proposal.
D-T-E-D-T-E Electric Company has received
and reviewed the site plan for outdoor storage
of vehicles and trailers.
DT Electric Company has no objection to the above request
above requesting impacting
2 4 2 3 0 Mount Road section 28, part
of the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at
5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
M-C-P-W-O, the Macomb County Public Works office.
M-C-P-W-O has reviewed the site plan
for the project reference above and has
and have determined
that the site is located within the Beer Creek,
beer Creek Inner County drain dis drainage district.
Any stormwater discharge
to the Beer Creek Inner County drain will require
A-M-C-P-W-O stormwater review and approval.
Should the City of Warren require a no objection letter from
this office, please reach out
to me at Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 4 6 9 5 9 6 1. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary Planning
Department's recommendation
A little closer.
Okay. Thank you Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows.
It is, uh, recommended that the site plan for open storage
of vehicles and trailers, uh, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission.
More specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, a it appears that the fence gate is located
on the property to the west,
encroaching approximately five feet onto the abutting
property as part of the, uh, requested access agreement.
Uh, this portion of the property
that includes the fence encroachment
should also be included in the document.
Uh, note the encroachment and note the encroachment
and provide the dimension from the property line on
the site plan.
Uh, one B indicate the height of the fence on the
site plan condition two.
Petitioner shall provide a recorded document for ingress
and egress with the owners of the properties
abutting to the west.
The document needs to include the maintenance of the, uh,
easement roadway as the surfaces partially gravel
and partially concrete.
Three properties to the west are 13 dash 28 dash
1 52 0 0, excuse me, zero 13.
There's a oh oh five
and an oh oh four of the same, uh, uh,
numbers Mound Road.
Okay. C note one A above, uh,
to also include the encroachment of the fence
in this document.
This document shall be approved in draft format for form
by the city attorney prior to it being recorded
to the Macomb County Register of Deeds.
A copy of the, uh, document shall be
provided to the planning department
and condition number three, a performance bond.
The amount of $45 be posted according to the estimated cost
of $1,500 by the uh, petitioner.
There is a note from the planning staff believes that, uh,
since there are no improvements proposed on the site,
no bond is required.
However, the petitioner shall provide the revised site plans
and a draft of the ingress
and egress agreement, uh, to move the project, uh,
forward to the building division.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, uh, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you Mr. Worth. This is a public hearing
and would like to speak on this item.
Please come up and state your name
and address for the record and
you'll have three minutes to speak.
Scene nine will turn over to the commission
Chair. Can I make a
motion to approve
Support?
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi supported
by Commissioner Seyer. Any discussion?
Uh, Mr. Chairman? Go ahead.
Uh, quick question is, is this the, uh, storage spot
that Service Towing was using?
Macomb Towing. Okay. Macomb Towing? Yeah, I service
Towing. We never had
a service towing.
We had Macomb Towing and Ellis Towing back there.
Oh, okay. Okay. Thank you Mr. Chair.
Anyone else have any questions to the petitioner?
Good evening. You say you store cars back there
as the overflow of what you're towing in.
Correct. What kind
of turnover do you have on the cars that are in there?
As far as how long they're there?
I don't know. We rent it out
and that's what they use it for.
Okay. So you don't really know how many cars there.
Do you know how many cars are in there?
Probably about a hundred. Okay.
But you don't have any idea
how often the turnovers they move 'em in and out of there?
No, because they go to
auction whenever they get the titles.
'cause I guess when they tow a car, abandoned car, it takes,
you know, a couple of months to six months
to get the abandoned title
and then they're able to auction off the car.
Alright. So they're just at the mercy
of the Secretary of State.
Alright. Thank you sir. Anyone else have any questions?
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Ansar. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow Wadi?
Yes. Commissioner Ansar? Yes.
To approve. Commissioner Doe? Yes. Commissioner Ery?
Yes. Commissioner Mor tz. Commissioner Beki? Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project, sir.
Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. Item six C,
Item number six C site plan for new gas station
with convenience store located on the northwest corner
of 13 Mile and Hover Road.
3 1 0 1 5. Hover Road section three.
Alvin PATA slash 13 equities,
llc five Simon slash ff Warren LLC PSP
2 5 0 0 2 8.
Thank you.
Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening, sir. Good
Evening. You wanna tell
us a little bit about your project?
Sure. My name is Faye Simon, uh,
working on the 13
and Hoover existing gas station that we like
to improve the development there, tear down
and build a brand new site from ground up similar to the one
that we've done on 13
and Ryan, I was here a few years ago, two
and a half years ago when we built that site on 13
and Ryan, it'd be similar design
and the look improving the corner of 13 and Hoover.
Okay. Thank you sir. Okay, correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current engineering
preliminary review
of this site indicates the planning commission
approval should be contingent upon the petitioner's
compliance with the following condition.
Number one, show all existing
and proposed underground utilities on the site plan.
Obtain required permit from Macomb County Public works
for any storm sewer work,
provide a detailed drainage plan showing grading flow,
direction and storm water management submitted complete, uh,
pavement plan with materials, uh, material specs, layout,
and a DA compliance fire in regard to the project
PSP 2 5 0 0 2 8 4 3 1 0 1 5
Hoover the fire department doesn't see any issues
that would hinder our operations water.
We have a 12 inch water Maine in the berm on the west side
of Hoover and also a sanitary Maine near the curb
that may dead end in the northern approach of this property.
The water service is off off of the 13 mile main
that is on the south side of 13 mile Road.
And on the stop box is located six feet east
of the west building line somewhere inside the sidewalk.
At and t at
and t does not object to the proposed
new gas station in store.
Comcast, Comcast has facilities
that are in conflict with the request.
Please refer to the ET map for the location of Comcast,
Comcast CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Cokes.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Cokes cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to reach us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com.
D-T-E-D-T-E Electric Company has received
and reviewed the site plan for new gas station
with convenience store.
DTE Electric Company has no objection in relation
to the work involved in the above.
Request impacting 3 1 0 1 5 Hover Road.
We in Michigan 4 8 0 9 3 section nine
per the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at
5 8 6 7 8 9 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
M-C-P-W-O, the Macomb County Public Works office.
MCPW has reviewed the site plan for the project reference
above and have determined
that the site is located within the Smith River drain dis
drain drainage district.
And the Smith River drain is located approximately 30 feet
east of Western property line.
Any storm stormwater discharged
to the Smith River drain will require A-M-C-P-W-O
stormwater review and approval.
Any stormwater discharged to the 13 Mile Road
or Hoover Road stormwater system is under the city
of Warren jurisdiction
and would require their approval should the City
of Warren require no objection.
Letter from this office. Please reach out
to me at Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 4 6 9 5 9 6 1. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary. Plain Department's recommendation.
Thank you. Um, is recommended that the site plan
for the redeveloped site for a new gas station
with convenience store be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically one A the two site plan.
There were two site plans
provided in the application packet.
The site plan that contained the most detailed dimensions
was the engineered site plan stamped by Wesley O Omer.
All comments below are in reference
to the updates needed on site plan.
Sheet C dash two one B,
add the zoning information under site data as follows.
C one local business district
and P parking district that's 30 feet along 13 Mile Road
and Hoover Road one C.
All utilities shall be indicated on the site plan
1D provide all the dimensions
of the landscaped area from the curbing to the right of way,
line along 13 mile Road
and Hoover Road, one E The following note
is provided on the plan.
Um, it shall be
provided on the plan, sorry, any light on the underside
of the canopy shall be flush mounted
with the lighting directed downward.
One FA photometric plan was provided with the application.
Note that any existing
or new lighting shall not extend beyond the property lines.
One g The dumpster enclosure plan indicates a slight
variation to the standard trash enclosure.
Note for example, instead of six feet high brick
and boss poured concrete walls,
the note indicates five feet high concrete wall.
Provide the dump dumpster details on the site plan sheet,
uh, C two and update the standard note
to match the trash enclosure
that will be provided on the property.
One h uh,
small asphalt paved area located in the 13 mile road right
of way in the southwest corner of the site shall be removed
and replaced with grass and indicated on the site.
Plan Number two, planning staff requires the petitioner
to dedicate the East 60 feet
and the South 60 feet of the parcel to the city.
The legal description indicates the property is 210 feet
by 210 feet, however that extends into the public roadways.
This would be a cleanup item for the parcel.
Removing the public right away
from the property description.
The petitioner shall contact the public service department
to begin the process.
Number three, the demolition plan that C four provides, um,
provided indicates the removal of the existing storm, sewer,
gas line, and electric line.
The plan also indicates the curb removal,
curb removal throughout the site and asphalt and concrete.
The entire site, except for the in the vicinity
of the underground fuel tanks will be disturbed.
The petitioner shall work
with the applicable utility entities regarding the removal
and relocation of utility lines.
Number four, uh, the letter
of intent indicates a mezzanine level will be integrated
into the structure and designated as a stack storage room.
Additional information will need to be
provided pertaining to the mezzanine as follows.
Four. A, provide the square footage
of the mezzanine on the site plan four b, a floor
and elevation plan indicating the location
of the mezzanine shall be
provided for c the parking requirement,
this is section 4.32.
Subsection 22 is based on gross floor area.
The zoning board of appeals request will change depending on
the total gross floor area.
The total gross floor area needs
to be added to the site data chart.
Uh, number five, uh, two copies of revised land.
Revised landscape plan shall be
submitted indicating the following.
Five A. The Japanese zelkova trees
proposed in the front setback along 13 mile road shall be
separated 30 feet from each other.
Five B uh,
a Japanese zelkova tree shall be planted centered in the 13
mile road right of way grass area five C.
It appears that the stone gravel is proposed
between the new building and the west property line.
The planning step would require a line
of shrubs no higher than four feet planted
center centered in this area.
Shredded wood chip material would cover the rest
of the area around the shrubs.
Okay, And number six, the following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board
of appeals prior to the release.
The site plan to the building Division six A
to construct the building five feet from the west
rear property line.
Um, six B. Um, there's a change here.
It's to wave six parking spaces.
However, this number will change based on these gross qua
square, um, footage.
Once the mezzanine's added six c, the hard sur
to hard surface to no less than 3.5 feet
of the front property lines along Hoover Road.
And number seven, a performance bond in the amount
of $27,000 be posted according to the estimated cost
of $900,000 by the petitioner.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thank you. Thank you Ms. Michelle.
This is a public hearing.
We would like to speak on this item.
Please come up, state your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Good evening. Uh, members of the, uh, planning commission.
Uh, my name is John Tis.
I am a, uh, member of the, uh, 13 Hoover
sh uh, shops, LLC.
We are the parcel directly adjacent
to this on the west side.
And, uh, I wanted to make a little statement here
concerning this, uh, this project.
Um, I am writing a concern
as a concern, stakeholder
and member of 13 Hoover shops located in the adjacent
property development just west of 13 0 1 5 13 mile
to formally object to the construction of a gas station
and convenience store at this location, my concerns are
as follows, traffic
and safety, the proposed development will significantly
increase traffic congestion at an already busy intersection,
pose a risk to both drivers and pedestrians
and potentially impede access to our shopping center.
Uh, number two, there's an economic impact.
The addition of a gas station may negatively affect the
commercial balance in the area.
Uh, there's already gas stations there, I understand that.
But, uh, when this gas station, the way it's, it's oriented,
it's pur it's parallel to, um,
Hoover, which completely blocks our whole visibility
going from east to west.
You can't see our shopping center till you're past that,
that that's a problem.
Uh, I had a couple of questions that I needed to it.
Maybe it's too premature,
but I don't know if this is gonna be a 24 hour gas station.
Uh, it's, it's, we don't know what the facilities are,
so we don't know how disruptive that's gonna be, um, to our,
the rest of our businesses in the center.
Um, I respectfully request the planning commission,
deny the site plan
or require substantial revisions that address the concerns
and consider the broader impact on the
local business community.
Uh, there is an option.
Uh, the building could be oriented parallel to 13 mile,
um, instead of perpendicular, uh, and not,
and be set back enough so
that it doesn't block the visibility of the,
of our shopping center next door.
Um, that's all I have. Thank you very much for your time.
Thank you, sir.
Yeah, good evening.
My name is Deborah Ano
and, uh, I live at the Sutton Place Condos,
which are located the northwest corner
of 13 Mile and Hoover.
We're, uh, just on the other side
of the current marathon gas station that's there.
I'm, I'm a board member
and two other board members are, are, are with me.
We've, we've all lived there for several years.
I've lived there over 20 years.
We're a quiet community, a community that's well kept up.
We have 40 condos there
and the Marathon gas station that's currently there,
they are a good neighbor.
They, they are not a 24 hour operation.
They close a 10:00 PM at night
and open, I dunno if it's either six
or seven in the morning that, so,
and there are gas stations on three
of the four corners there at 13 mile and Hoover.
And there's also a seven 11 right there.
So there's already gas station and convenience stores.
I'm concerned about increased traffic.
I didn't hear anything about the hours of operation,
you know, would totally be opposed to a business
that's gonna be a 24 hour operation
and the, you know, the bright lights
and our condos right there.
I think there's gonna be more traffic, more noise.
I'm concerned because Cono High School is right there.
I think it's a safety concern
with the high school right there as well.
And we already have, you know, littering
with the high school kids that stop at seven 11
and leave their, throw their cups on the
lawn and that type of thing.
And I, I think that would even in increase.
I'm, I'm forever picking up, you know, cups
and potato chip bags
and every that people leave And, um, I
very concerned about safety and the noise
and the light pollution.
So thank you. Thank you ma'am.
Good evening everyone. I'm Steven Band.
I'm one of the partners of the shopping center
where seven 11 is.
And by the way, seven 11,
that is actually the first seven 11 in Michigan.
It has notoriety, it has made,
been on many commercials from corporate, everything else.
And they're proud to be in Ward.
But what we have on this development, first of all,
I went into the office, we got a notice.
I wanna see the prints, I wanna see drawings, I wanna see.
I was told, I saw the prints for a matter of two minutes
and I was told if I wanted anything more, I had to go
through freedom of information there.
I said, who was a mail to Freedom of Information Act.
I could not get any information other than what we saw.
There's no other city that has ever done that to me.
Now, this development, what I saw is built sideways,
blocking the visibility of our property.
It could be turned around when they rebuilt that station.
We've owned that property for over 40 years. It was built.
So if you took a line, what I'm gonna say,
leasings the shopping center next door in ours,
everything had to be done behind that line.
Uh, so it this way what they're doing, they're building
blocking our shopping center.
It's not gonna face 13 mile, it's gonna face Hoover.
It's gonna affect eight businesses.
Visibility is a key factor for tenants.
We're in a little tough market here with the
economics going on
and you're hurting all the existing businesses with this.
Now somebody can build something
but turn it around so it's not blocking our visibility.
We're not looking at a back wall.
I hope that this board will reject what it is.
Let 'em turn it around.
I tried calling the head of the department.
I tried calling legal. I got no answers.
I tried calling, I called FI's architect,
he referred me to Fayez.
No return phone calls. I don't know what's going on.
I've never had that with any other city.
I've been in his business for 45 years,
so I'm not quite sure what's going on.
But I hopefully you'll reject it
as it sits if he wants to build a store.
There's a lot of questions in there.
Competition, there's plenty,
there's gas stations on all, all the corners.
I can't tell you this board has to make a decision not
for the benefit of one,
but the benefit for everyone in all the businesses
that pay taxes, personal property, taxes, assets,
your time about that, sir.
Assets, period. Any questions for me? No,
Not right now. Thank
you.
Good evening. My name's MJ
and I represent one of the small businesses in the plaza
that will be impacted by this proposed facility.
I honestly feel like if this building goes up,
it will block all visibility from the main road.
That may not sound major, but for us it's everything.
Our foot traffic relies heavily on being seen
Without visibility.
Many of us will experience a drop in walk-in sales
and income for small businesses,
many family owned businesses.
That could mean shutting our doors for good
and honestly, uh, being in this plaza,
I felt like this plaza isn't just a business center,
it's a part of the community.
People gather here for services, for connection,
for culture, blocking us off or disrupted all of that.
And the economic ripple could create vacancies
and job losses and the decline in the area's value.
We support growth but not at the cost
of what's already thriving.
I respectfully ask that you reconsider the location
or design of this facility so we can preserve the businesses
that have already built something meaningful
here. Thank you very much.
Thank you Sir. Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Yes. Thank you for allowing me to speak.
My name's Cynthia Easterling.
I live in the condo complex that butts up
behind this gas station currently.
Um, when they were reading the planning commission,
they said something about a five foot wall, um,
being replacing the six foot wall
that divides our two complexes.
Um, I would hope that that six foot wall would stay just
because of the visual for people that have backyards
and front yards that butt up against that.
Um, I would be worried about the traffic,
as some people have said, that's a busy corner.
There's accidents.
They've changed the lights, the stoplights
because of people turning left, um, incorrectly.
I don't see on the plan whether it's three entrances
that are currently three entrances, if that's being added.
Um, I just see a lot of construction happening
and I don't think it's, like they said, the,
the way it's set up doesn't seem right.
I don't know how many pumps.
And then I would be definitely worried about the time if
it's a 24 hour station that really causes a problem
for the residents that live behind it. Thank you.
Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Seeing now will turn it over to the commission
Motion to Approve it for the discussion.
Support with discussion.
That was a motion by Commissioner Ansar,
supported by Commissioner dse. Discussion.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chairman. Uh, is the petitioner.
You heard some of the questions, uh, about this, um,
since this is, if I'm not mistaken,
I think it's C one, uh, zoning.
So that does not allow you 24 7 operation does it?
I think, uh, it is currently right now
used to be 24 hours.
The site used to work 24 hours.
Just the guy has been closing at 10 o'clock.
The reason is slow business.
That's the reason he's closing at 10 o'clock.
But he used to be 24 hours in the past
and the stations are across the street.
They are 24 hours.
Okay, so you're gonna close this down at 10 o'clock.
Open it up at six or seven
Or whatever. We're planned to open 24
hours over there
and we're gonna have a 52
cameras, security cameras over there.
All Right. And if we stay open over there,
it's more secured than closing station.
It's more security when it's open.
Uh, okay. Uh, next, um,
how many pumps you, you show four on the drawing,
Correct? That's gonna be four
And that's it. And correct
with, uh, uh, overhang above it and so on
Canopy, there's a canopy
above overhead. All right. As well.
Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Thank you. Commissioner Deza. Anyone else?
Yeah, I do. Question, uh, petitioner.
My question is, is it owned by you or it's a franchisee?
No, it's, it would be our current running operation.
Our family been in the business since 1973.
We've been running in this business since 1973.
I have another question. I think, you know, I went
to another, um, one of your, uh, gas stations.
So how many do a gas station do
you have in the city of Warren?
This is our second location in the city of Warren
and we have another one on 13 and Van D**e.
We're looking to do same thing up there.
Upgrading that site as well. It's an old station my dad had.
It says 1977 and looking to do that one too.
Upgrading at the end of the day, it's existing stations.
It's not like we are going out
and getting another vacant land
and putting a new gas station.
This is an existing old tired site
and we have a patio outside
that will see people have coffee.
And we have a great coffee insight.
We have a great food insight and serve the customers
and it's a tired location.
And the city of Warren and the community of Warren,
they can be very impressed with our operation
and all company op running station.
Uh, I think, you know, I went to one of your gas station,
it looks really nice.
Are you gonna make the um, the new one?
It's gonna be like this same
And nicer. 'cause
you know, that's our first location up there.
City Warren for me know, I, I really have to
thank you for taking the initiative for redevelopment.
So I think CT of four
and a few of the gas station owners there should take the
same initiative like you
and redevelopment and make it nicer.
And thank you for that. You're
Welcome. All I could say is visit
our site on 13
and Ryan, you'll see what we build up there.
Very impressive. Everyone comes there
and say, wow, we can't believe
that you build such a nice looking store in the area.
And we did. So we'll do another one like this.
The commuting gonna be very happy. Our food clean, fresh.
We bring in some great food in site that people would like,
but we gonna be carrying over there.
And I have another question. Last question. Thank you.
And you had a chance to review all the recommendation?
Well, I, I, I'd like to see approved
and so we can move on and get going on it.
You did you review all the recommendation, uh, absolute
provided by the planning department?
Yes. You agree with that? Yes,
We have. Alright, thank
You. And we will fill in the
whole entire the request. Absolutely.
Thank you. You're Welcome.
Anyone else
to the petitioner?
Good evening, sir. Um, you've heard a lot
of the concerns from residents about turning it that way
and blocking their strip mall.
Uh, why the, did you turn it that way?
Because the way the lot is shaped
and you couldn't go the other way?
The reason we're doing it is easy access in
for our customers could drive in,
get the fuel park in the front of the building
and get the product and get out.
It's very safety this way.
If we turn it on the other way would not, the, the maneuver,
the changes with the traffic will not work.
This is the right way to do it for future, for long term.
That's the way to do it. I've been in the businesses like I
did, like I said, I'm 64.
I've been in the business since my dad started in 1973.
This is all I've done. This is the way to layout.
I've done many stations. That's not my first site to build.
I've built over 34 sites from growing ups that I did.
This is the way to do it.
And that the layout will, long term customers will be happy.
They drive in, get gas, you could park in the front
of the building, walk in and get the product
and get out much better this way than the other way
that they, they do.
Customers are, I mean, our competitors up here,
they're afraid of their business.
Everyone needs to update their businesses to get,
to get the consumer the right service.
And that's what we're doing over here.
Okay. I have another question.
Uh, you're gonna demi demolish the whole
gas station and start over.
Uh, I thought I read something.
Our findings that you're not gonna
change the tanks in the ground.
No, the tanks are, will last another 30
more years with no problem.
How long have the tanks been in the ground?
Since nine, they were 1984.
Those tanks, they're double wall fiberglass.
You don't need to do anything to those tanks.
Okay. Okay.
And we are gonna change the,
all the lines replacing all the islands, all the new pumps,
all the underground lines, the pipes.
We're gonna replace all that.
So everything's gonna be brand new
underground other than the tanks.
Okay. They're gonna be double wall piping over there
and the monitoring system,
all the monitors are gonna be there.
Okay. One thing I noticed,
and also the planning director noticed is the curb on the
side between the retail center
and back of your building, that people are cutting out
of the, the other driveway and coming across the sidewalk
and then coming into the gas station that way.
Uh, one of the suggestions
that he made possibly is put a curb cut across there
so they could drive straight through to the
re to the retail center from your gas station without coming
out on the sidewalk and going back in on the sidewalk.
Uh, that was an idea that they have.
What, what is your idea as far as that goes? I,
I, I won't have any problem doing that.
That's fine. If, if they, the city thinks this is the way
to do it and I talk to my engineers,
I have no problem doing that. That's
Fine. Now, you know, if
you do that, you have
to get an ingress egress agreement
between the property owners to the west. Right?
It's fine. Okay.
I had a question about it personally
after thinking about it.
You know, people get impatient when they drive sometimes.
And I know we eliminated the one driveway on 13 mile
closer to the intersection.
Yes. To have only the one driveway on the 13 mile road.
But you got two driveways on the Hoover side.
My thing, the concern that I had was
if they come in the drive, the second driveway,
the driveway closer to the intersection
and they come across the thing
and we put a curb cut in there to
where they can get into the retail center.
You might have some people that get impatient, say, says,
I don't wanna wait for the light to turn red.
So they cut through the gas station and go through there.
Uh, is there any way you could prevent that from happening?
Sorry, you're saying that we should have an access
between the shopping center
and the, the gas station access between the both properties.
Right. I'm fine with it.
I, I, that's even better for me.
But I don't know if the next
door neighbor would like to do that.
I dunno. I'm fine with it.
Okay. I've got no problem doing that.
Now. I've noticed your other establishment on 13
and Ryan, it looks like a very nice establishment.
Very well, thank you.
Uh, It's clean and it's, everything is looks nice.
Uh, I have clean restrooms.
Our restroom is spotless all the time.
Now. I noticed the one on 13
and Ryan has the outdoor patio
on the side, but this one doesn't show that.
So you're not gonna have an outdoor
patio on this one? We do.
We we do like to have a patio outside.
Absolutely. Well, it is not shown on the drawing.
Yeah. So I wasn't sure if you're having
an outside patio or not. We'd
Like to come back afterward
and get the approval from the city.
So you are planning to put the outside patio on that
Site? We'd like, yes. We did the same thing at
Ryan. 13 mile.
Okay. For seating, like umbrellas,
four tables umbrellas outside.
Yes.
Um, Mr. Wirth, can you come up on and ask you a question?
Yes. Mr. Chair, what can I help you?
If they put the outside patio on that 13 miles side
and we provide the ingress egress to the shopping, is
that gonna affect traffic coming past the
people sitting in the patio?
Well, you're not gonna be able to put one there if you use
that drawing right there.
The modification that, uh, I worked on,
there won't be one on that side.
It could be, uh,
at a different location in front of the building.
Maybe north at the north east
area there maybe a couple of parking spaces,
maybe three parking spaces.
Maybe they can get a variance, uh, to have that.
I mean, uh, I, our, our ordinance does not permit, uh,
anyone to use the parking spaces at the pumps
to count 'em as parking.
I think our new ordinance is gonna do that.
And uh, so probably that'd be a better place.
But I will say this, the connection
between the retail center
and this, uh, facility here,
if you've got the driveway set, the way it's been designed
and there's can be more discussion about that.
Uh, for the retail people, anyone who's going
to the gas station will enter that driveway
and look at the retail shops
and may decide there's something there that they'd like
to have and then they can skip over to the, uh,
gas station and vice versa.
So there could be an advantage, uh,
to the retail strip if it works out.
Maybe something like that.
All right. Alright. Thank you Mr. Worth.
You're welcome. Uh,
to the petitioner, can you come up again please?
I don't wanna be redundant on my questioning,
but I'm having a little bit hard time hearing
'cause it doesn't seem like it close enough to the mic
or the volumes we will do on mic or whatever.
But the hours are not, are gonna be 24 hours or not.
Yes. 24 hours. 24 hours. Okay. Alright. Alright.
Um, I think
and you agree with all the recommendations?
Yes. Okay.
And you know that if we do the curb cut go
between your place and the retail place,
you gotta get an ingress. Egress.
I do. Okay. All right.
Uh, anybody else have any questions?
Commissioner chair?
I just have one quick question for the petitioner.
As far as the lighting, how
are you planning doing the length?
So won't disturb like the residents
behind in the condominiums?
The lights won't shine to the condominiums.
The light shines down so it will not affect
You're 24 hours, you know?
Yes. You know, that's the only thing I'm
Concerned with. But it will not
shine behind that.
It shines down on the canopy we're talking about.
Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Okay. If I may comment, Mr.
Chair,
Mr.
Chair, if I may comment on the lighting, just to clarify.
Thank you. They gave us a lighting plan. Alright.
And, uh, on any of those lighting plans, they're supposed
to be along the property lines.
Uh, it's called 0.0.
That's where glare
and lighting the cone of lights that are up on, uh,
poles and underneath the canopy
where light comes down like this, right at the cone part
won't go beyond the, the, uh, property lines.
So lighting gets, uh, uh, changed and altered
and fixated on the site itself.
So even along the property lines
where there's the sidewalks, that lighting isn't supposed
to, uh, be as bright along the sidelines.
I mean, there's gonna be some lighting as, uh,
it will be on the site,
but that type of light is gonna be, like I said,
fixated on the site itself.
It shouldn't, uh,
get over onto other properties,
you know, budding properties.
I hope I explained that a little bit better,
but that, that's what they're lighting plan indicated.
So we're satisfied with that. That kind of a concern.
Okay. The only o other thing I'm going to ask is that,
um, you can either postpone this
and I can talk to the engineer
or the, uh, the person, the professional who did this plan,
and we can meet
and talk about the driveway, assuming that's that's indeed
what what we're gonna do.
And I'd like to do that
or we can, um, you can approve it
and then we'll work on it later.
But the approval has to specifically say
one driveway gonna serve both of those uses.
Right. Okay.
Okay. Then. And, and if,
and if they're, they're gonna,
they might even wanna work in their outdoor patio like they
have over on, uh, 13 in Ryan somewhere, uh,
on the plan and see, see what can be done, uh, there,
get it all done this time, not have to come back
for an amendment to the plan.
So that's my suggestion.
So you're saying to possibly postpone it
so you can go over the, the driveway cut
and, uh, the dining outside.
That's if the petitioner has time
to wait another couple weeks.
And, uh, and in those two weeks we would talk
to them and discuss this.
We'd have meetings to discuss it. Approach? Yes, please,
Mr. Chair. Uh,
to postpones gonna hurt the timing of the winter.
I would like to get the approval. Absolutely.
I'll work with the, with the director, allowing us to work
between the two properties on the driveway.
No issue on that. I've got, I'm open minded.
We'll do it, allow it, and then the patio as well approve.
'cause next month we go with the ZBA for as well.
We have to go to ZPA for the setback.
So I'd like to get this approved to move forward
and then we'll move fast because of the winner.
That's all I ask you, Mr. Chair.
Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Then I'm gonna need a motion to, uh,
vote on the changes with the driveway
and the changes with the, um, seating outside.
Need a motion to approve those changes?
No, I'm sorry. Hold, hold on a second.
Motion. Just include those, Include addition.
Okay. Additional.
Then, um, commissioner Ansar.
He's the maker of the motion.
You can add those changes to the approval.
Yes. Addition, uh, with the driveway
and, uh, sitting outside.
Okay. And Commissioner Duhe, you support?
Yes, I agree with that.
Uh, the only question that I have that, that was brought up
with 24 hour operation is,
is 24 hour allowed on C two?
Yes. Okay.
That was my only question. Mm-hmm.
Okay. Go.
So there was a motion by Commissioner Ansy
to accept the additional changes.
Yes. Supported by Commissioner Ddue. Roll call. Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Approve.
Commissioner Ddue? Yes. Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. With the rec updates.
Commissioner ery? Yes. To approve.
Commissioner more votes? Yes. Commissioner Bernanke? Yes.
Commissioner Smith.
Yes. With the approved changes. Thank you, sir.
Good luck with your project and, uh,
keep everything in mind of everybody's this remarks.
Yes. Have a good evening.
I have number six D
Item number six D site plan for community center.
A multi-use facility to include community, social,
and religious activities.
Located on the south side of 14 mile road.
1, 2, 8 feet, 1 28 feet west of,
uh, downland Street.
2 8 7 0 14 mile road.
Section six Mohammed for Cruel Islam slash dar Huda Inc.
PSP 2 5 0 0 2 5. Thank you.
Good evening. Is the petitioner here this evening? Yes.
Good evening. Good evening. Good evening.
Is it my turn to speak? Would you like to speak?
Yes. I'll, I'll go. Thank You then it's your turn.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
Uh, members of the commission, Madame City Attorney. Ms.
Michaels, uh, I'm here today on, on behalf of this, uh,
proposed community center.
Center. The, it's important to note, you know,
when you read on the agenda
and the way that's been, how you say couched, it says
facility to include community, social,
and it says religious activities.
Well, first of all, and I guess this comes in in part
of my other argument as well,
because this was, um, initially its zoned office.
So initially we were thinking more in the way
of an office rezoning.
So when it got to the planning staff, they, you know,
based on what was presented, they couched it
as a community center,
but as more as in religious as opposed to, uh, I say, uh,
social and informative
and based on for the community, not
so much in regards to religious.
And I'll tell you how religious came in.
Uh, but that gets me to my point is that
this particular community center
is not gonna have per se any religious activity.
Now, as you know, this is for the Bengalis, the Bengali
community is trying
to put together a community center in which they can all
partake and, and be enriched from
and enrich their community.
And under the scenario is that
there is gonna be no objection to prayer.
They find prayer very important five times a day.
Now, in any airport
or hospital, they may have a prayer room, okay?
But it's gonna be the policy of this community center is not
to interrupt anybody who wants
to pray maybe anywhere they want in the building, you know,
based on their customs, their religion.
And so I just want to tell you, that's it as far
as the religious activity, uh, that that's gonna be it Now
as far as what's gonna be going on there.
And that's why I, when we did the initial application,
it was, uh, couch into the, uh,
in regards to having, uh,
stuff like, uh, senior help, right?
It's, and they're gonna also help for
immigration, non-English.
I'll go through the, the list here.
non-English speakers with essential forms,
translations and paperwork.
I mean, that's something that helps the community, right?
The other item is gonna be a peaceful place
for elderly people in the community, uh, to meet,
reduce isolation and respectfully interact.
Inform number three, informal mentoring
for youth focused on values such as honesty,
respect, and responsibility.
Small non-scheduled community discussions
and one-on-one family counseling sessions focused on
cultural or personal matters.
There's always problems.
And sometimes the Bengali people basically say,
we don't know where to go.
And this is part of the community center, is
to point these people in the right direction
and even provide, uh, the services
and providing free brochures
or printed materials on family support,
community awareness and ethical living.
Limited informal assistance such as food or
or small financial
and may be offered to individuals in urgent need regardless
of religion or background.
A small reading area with books
and educational material available to visitors
during open hours.
Uh, the, when we say hours, it,
the initial thought is from 8:00 AM to 8:00 PM
that may be less than from maybe eight
to 6:00 PM depending on how many people,
uh, may, may appear.
I also wanna note that the purpose
of this community center is also to provide someone
that may be in insurance.
I need help with insurance when it comes, comes an issue.
But the Bengali people want to be able to provide insurance,
legal, legal help, accounting for taxes,
things of that nature.
And, uh, and like I said, in general, uh, support groups.
Now this brings us to the, the I'm going to address
because part of the recommendation is,
Was Good. Uh,
Mr. St. Pierre. Yes.
Can we get on with the correspondence
and then we can get back with you on that?
Sure. I just want, we just wanted a little bit of
what you're, what you're trying to put there.
Okay. So we can get an idea.
Um, but we'll go with the correspondence,
get the plan director's recommendation,
then you can go into your comments and stuff on that.
Good. All right. Be ready to address.
Thank you sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current fire in regard
to the traffic letter
and plans for project PSP 2 5 0 0 2 5.
What assurances will be in place
to ensure the capacity is no more than 80%.
Other than that the fire department doesn't see any other
issues that may impede our operations water.
There are no issues
with the water department regarding this project.
At and t at and t does not object.
We have facilities in the vicinity,
but they do not, they should not be affected.
Comcast, Comcast has area facilities in the area,
but we have no conflicts with the proposal.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
ccc utility request@teamsigma.com.
M-C-P-W-O, the Macomb County Public Works office.
M-C-P-W-O has reviewed the site plan
for the project reference above
and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less
than one acre and will not require storm water
review from this office.
If required. If required, please reach out
to me at Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org
or 5 8 6 4 6 9 5 9 6 1
for a no objection letter from this office. Thank you.
Thanks Madam Secretary Plain Department's recommendation.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows, it is recommended that the
site plan for a new community center
that will contain multiple community-based uses such
as community support services, administrative services,
education, religious and spiritual, cultural
and social engagement, be denied for the following reasons.
Number one, there are several variances,
at least six, that need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals to receive
approval for this project.
If the applicant, uh, does not intend on
revising the site plan to bring it more into compliance
with the zoning ordinance, it is recommended
that the project be heard by the zoning board
of appeals prior to the planning commission.
Uh, the particular concern is the existing building setback
only eight feet, uh,
on the side yard setback when the side yard setback should
be, uh, 20.
That's the east side of the building.
Condition number two,
there are many changes needed on the site plan, uh,
including dimensions that differ, uh, between the survey
and the site plan condition Number three,
it was the planning staff's observation
that this property is poorly screened.
A modified green belt consisting of trees such
as arborvitaes
and evergreens in addition to the four foot high wall,
would provide the best screening.
However, trees would require a reduction in parking
and reconfiguration of maneuvering lanes along the south
and east property lines.
Condition number four,
or I should say these are all reasons.
Reason number four, uh, additional questions need
to be answered regarding the total
occupancy of the building.
The floor plan indicates that total occupancy load
of 139 occupants,
however they indicate they will not exceed
80 occupants.
The fire marshal's comment in question
for this site plan was what assurances will be in place
to ensure the capacity is not more than 80 persons.
This information needs to be
provided prior to bringing the project back
before the planning commission.
Number five, it is the planning staff's perception that, uh,
when an event is occurring, that the parking lot
behind the other commercial building will be used
by the attendees regulating where attendees should park
would be required of the owners.
If, however, the Planning commission decides
to approve the site plan for new center that will, uh,
contain the multiple, uh, community-based
uses such as the, uh, community support services,
administrative services, education, religion,
and spiritual, cultural and social engagement.
The following standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically shall apply a number one, five copies
of Arise site plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
A, the square footage of disper disturbance
shall be indicated on the site plan
for disturbance over one acre.
The site shall comply with the city's storm water
ordinance one B.
The new community center would, with multiple uses,
will be reviewed per section 5.11
of the zoning ordinance.
Add the standards of this section of the zoning ordinance
to the site data chart.
One c per a field visit of the site, the property has
some maintenance issues.
Provide a note on the site plan, uh, stating the lawn,
shrubbery and parking lot shall be maintained.
1D The plan indicates two accessible parking
spaces, however, one of the spaces
shall be van sized.
Uh, revise the accessible spaces per the a DA requirements.
One E The proposed screening does not meet the standards
of the ordinance.
The survey indicates the existing brick screen wall is
four feet in height along the south and east property line.
The minimum height required is six feet.
It is the planning staff's observation that this
property is poorly screened.
A modified green belt consisting of trees such as AEs
and evergreens in addition to the four foot high wall,
would provide the best screening.
However, the trees will require a de
reduction in the parking
and reconfiguration of the maneuvering lanes along the south
and east property lines.
One FA note shall be
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroach upon abutting properties.
Uh, the light fixtures poles and pole
and base shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture
to the bottom of the base.
At ground level, all glare shall be eliminated from
all light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting shall not be permitted.
One G indicate all existing
and proposed lighting on the site.
Plan one h provide a lighting detail that will show
that light will not encroach over the property line
or lines, uh, to the adjacent residential properties.
One eye the measurements indicated on the survey plan
and the site plan in regards to the width of the driveway
and the access aisles on the applicant's property
and the neighboring property differ.
Review the survey plan and update these dimensions.
One j provide the dimension, uh, from the outer edge
of the bollards to the property line,
and from the outer edge of the bollard
to the neighboring building, uh, neighboring building
and bumper blocks.
Alright, the effective total width needs to be 20 feet
for ingress and egress of this shared driveway
and access lane.
One K. If the community center operators
anticipate members walking to the facility, you may want
to consider the possibility
of installing a door on the north elevation.
A direct walkway from the sidewalk to the front
of the building would be a safer path for pedestrians
rather than walking alongside the driveway
to the rear of the building.
One LA trash enclosure is indicated on the site plan.
Uh, provide the following note stating a trash enclosure.
Measuring a minimum 10 feet by 10 feet, uh,
shall be constructed of six foot high Brick embossed poured
concrete walls with 45 degree angle cap,
have screen gates
and be placed upon a minimum 10 foot by 18 foot concrete pad
that provides an eight foot wide apron
masonry block shall not be used as a construction material.
One m dimension, the trash enclosure on the site plan
one n All property lines shall be
provided with bearings, uh, along
with the provided dimensions.
One oh a note is on the site plan stating
that all utilities, sanitary sewer, water,
electric lines, and gas lines are existing
and that no changes are proposed.
It is always required to indicate the locations
of the utilities on the site plan.
Okay. And, uh, one, uh, q uh, excuse me.
P uh, dimensions shall be
provided for the inside walls of the building
Condition Number two, the following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division.
And that is a, to allow the use, uh, to be located
on a property less than 100 feet in width.
This property is 98.2 feet in width.
B, a variance may be required if the petitioner does not
increase the height of the existing screen wall,
or provide a six foot high brick and bo port concrete wall,
or provide an acceptable modified screening
that will consist of a mix of the wall
and the landscaping, such as evergreen trees
c to allow the use
to be located 24.8
feet from the front.
And that's 14 mile road property line when 30
feet is required.
Uh, D uh, to allow the use
to locate the building eight feet
from the east property line
and 14.1 feet from the west
property line when 20 feet is required for both,
Uh, E uh,
to allow parking spaces 20 feet in length along the east
property line when 22 feet is required.
And f to allow a maneuvering lane
of 21.3 feet, uh, from the,
uh, rear south property line
Condition Number three,
the petitioner shall provide a recorded document for ingress
and egress and shared driveway with the owners
of the property abutting to the west.
The property to the west is 13 dash
six dash 2 0 1 dash oh
3 0 14 mile road.
This document shall be approved in draft format, uh,
for form by the city attorney prior to it being recorded
to the Macomb County Register of Deeds.
A copy of the document shall be
provided to the planning department.
And finally, condition number four,
a performance bond in the amount of $690 be posted according
to the estimated cost
of $23,000 by the petitioner.
There is a note. The planning staff believes
that the proposed bond amount is too low, given the fact
that the additional landscaping
and screening are part of the improvements.
A new estimate, uh, shall be
provided closer to $35,000 resulting in a bond in the
amount of $1,050.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you. Mr. W This is a public hearing.
Um, Mr. St.
Pierre, did you wanna couple say a couple more things
before we turn it over to the public hearing?
Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
I'm going to try to take issue with a few of these, uh,
issues that we have before us.
Uh, first of all, in regards to
let's look at, uh, what they're requesting
regards of variances.
Now remember, this used to be an animal hospital
that animal hospital's been there for almost,
if I'm not mistaken, I know it's over a decade.
He's been here for 20 years, been on the city council
for 24, part of the city attorney's office for a year.
Never heard a single complaint in regards
to the four foot wall.
Now that building a animal hospital is
not an office use.
They were granted a use variance.
And I'd like to find out what use variances
that were allowed in order to them operate.
And why would it be any different? We have a lesser use.
This is like single family use
under, you know, with churches.
And this is how we're going to be, uh, uh, guided.
But this is also should be thought about
as far as office as well.
And so I, I, I take issue with, with the requirement
of all these variances,
but I'll ask for a certain relief in regards to it.
Let's look at the variances.
The first one is under 2 8, 1 foot 10 inches.
Okay? One feet, one foot 10 inches. It's 98 2.
And that's for the, the, to allow the use
of property on a property on less than a hundred feet.
And it's 98.2.
Second, in regards to variance,
does not increase the height of the existing wall.
Well, I, I'm going to, I'd have to talk to them about that
in the planning department
because that existing wall has been there for over 20 years
and I don't see what the problem with it.
And if, if parking is an issue,
then I guess we're gonna have to, uh,
we can, we can provide the trees.
The green belt would be all right.
We don't have any objection to that to allow the used
to be located 24 feet from the front
property line when 30 feet,
that's only five feet, four inches.
This is not, we're not talking about large types of,
of variances at all.
And to allow 'em maneuvering lane wait
to allow parking spaces 20 feet in length along,
that's only, it's only two feet.
I mean, everyone can park in a spot and, uh, of 20 feet.
So these are not overwhelming variances to,
to make for a denial.
This is the point I'm trying, I trying to make.
I also want to indicate to
that this is a zoned office, okay?
And this particular site plan, the building is the same.
The building is not changing. We're not enlarging it.
We're making it the same. The parking lots the same.
Everything has, nothing's gonna change
except when on the inside.
And this is when I want to address what the, the marshal,
the fire marshal said that it has a total occupancy load
of load of 139 occupants.
Now, I talked to the architect, architect
and he indicated that they opened the building up,
they took down walls
and that it could fit up to the 1 39.
It's never gonna come close, right?
I don't even, you know, as far as the, uh, the,
how many people in the community would and,
and how they're gonna visit.
They don't, they sit 80 at the very most.
And what we can do, like the fire marshal says,
what are you gonna do to stop at those?
So it's not more than, well, they can count
and put up a sign just like every business does in regards
to allowing how many people,
Mr. St. Pierre? Yes.
Can you close down your comments
so we can allow other people to speak?
Okay. Um, well, I just wanted to get into these, uh,
the things for the recommendations that came about
to show a, a denial.
Alright? And I'm hoping that the, you'll consider this,
I'm gonna indicate to you, oh, will I get another chance
to speak or is this it?
I should know this by now.
Well, you, you've had your three minutes.
Oh, Okay. I, I got one thing.
This is my prayer for relief.
My prayer for relief is the grant to authorize the site plan
and that we have to get the,
the variances within 12 to 24, 24 months, between 12
and 24 months to grant the site plan
and obtain those variances within that period of time,
but have a building permit issue.
Thank you. Thank
You, sir. Does
anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good evening. My name is Mark Music.
I live at 3 2 9 4 2 Dallin drive
about 120 feet from this building.
Um, you know, this has been presented
as a community center low use.
However, this is actually a mosque in disguise, um,
on, on the, uh, Facebook page for the
group that's putting this site together.
They announced, uh, back in November, uh,
when they bought the site that, uh,
we finally have the site for our mosque.
Um, you know, I have no objection to churches
and mosques being, you know, wherever they need to be.
However, this is way too close.
Mosques, the use, uh, you know,
are they planning on putting loudspeakers on top
of the mosque for the call to prayer five times a day?
You know, I don't know. That hasn't been discussed.
Um, if they have to put a green belt in,
they're gonna lose all the parking on the east side
because it the goes right up to the wall.
So they're only gonna have about 20 parking spots left.
25 maybe. You know, that's completely insufficient.
So that means they're either gonna use the parking spots
from the other business or they're gonna park on our street.
And it just, the increased traffic, the increased noise,
you know, it is not a quiet use of a facility.
You know, the animal hospital, you know, they had, you know,
five people an hour, in and out, whatever.
But this isn't an, an active, uh,
use of the building.
And it's just not,
it's not a good placement for this building.
It's too small.
The, uh, ingress and egress is gonna be a real problem,
you know, when they have their Friday night services.
Um, you know, I, I just see nothing but one problem
after another with this site being so small, so close
to, to the houses.
Um, so I totally object to this,
the use of this facility. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Did you give your name
and address to the court reporter?
I did. I gave her my name.
Alright. Thank you sir.
Does anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good evening. Good Evening.
Honorable chair planning,
commissioners and city officials.
My name is Jahi Islam, a resilient of foreign
and a member of the local Bangladeshi and Muslim community.
Today I stand before you with a deep respect
and simple request.
The approval for a new community center for
multi-use facilities.
This Cary service is a symbol of peace, a safe space
for our youth, a support center for families,
and a place where values like compassions, charity
and respect are taught and practiced.
We are not asking to build this just for ourselves.
We are building it for the future of war in
to encourage belonging, understanding,
and service to everyone, no matter their faith.
We are fully committed to meeting all city rules,
regulation, and being the kind of neighbor who adds value
to this community, peaceful, clean,
cooperative, and respectful.
Please consider this approving this communities
and remains standing for freedom, unity,
and fairness, values that truly present the best of America.
Thank you for your time. And may God, may God bless you all.
Thank you, sir.
Hi, my name is Dana uddi.
I live at 3 2 9 4 5 Dolin.
Um, this makes me very upset.
When the gentleman was talking, he said,
this is not a religious building.
And right here on this paper, it says, um,
religious activities.
I hear they do the call of prayer five times a day.
I don't want to hear any of that music.
I don't want to hear any of that stuff.
The wall he was talking about is a big issue with us.
The wall backs right up to my house. It's four feet tall.
I see everything, everything
that goes on in that parking lot.
I do not like it at all.
The wall needs to be eight feet or higher if this goes in.
I don't like the religion. I do not agree with anything.
And this is a bad idea also.
Um, you said that there is room for 80 people.
If you look here, there's about 40 people, 35 to 40.
I counted now when their wives and families
and kids come in.
That'll be way over 80 people.
And that would be a fire hazard. I think this is a bad idea.
14 mile is already a busy road.
It's hard to get in and out
of my street with all that traffic.
And now we're adding this much more traffic.
This is not gonna work out good.
I do not like this at all. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Anyone
else want to speak on this item?
Sir, did you give your name
and address to the court reporter over there?
Thank you.
Hello, State your name and address for the record, sir.
Yep. My name is Mohammad Juvan Hawk.
Um, I'm a proud resident of Warren.
Um, I live close to the proposed building.
Um, so thank you Mr.
Chairman and the member of the commission
for giving me an opportunity to speak.
Um, so I'm here today to voice my strong support
for the proposed community, um, center.
Uh, this space will be a vital resource for our neighbors,
providing a clean, safe
and welcoming environment for kids, families,
residents of all ages.
Um, I know it's a community center,
but just for the record, I wanna say that none of the mosque
that are in war actually have loudspeakers outside.
Um, I think, uh, the only place
that has loudspeaker is Hamtramck
and they won a, um, uh, I guess federal, uh,
lawsuit or something like that.
Um, so, uh, just wanted to say that for the record.
But yeah, I'm here to request that, um, you know,
this committee, uh, I kindly asked this committee
to approve this project, right?
Give us an opportunity, uh,
to strengthen our community, right?
Bring people together and make Warren
even a better place to live. So thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Good evening. Can you state your name
and address for the record, please?
Okay.
Linda Forton, 3 2 4 5 2 Oakfield Drive.
I basically only have some questions pertaining to this.
Mostly what they're talking about, the retaining wall,
which is currently four feet,
which I can see everything from the backyard currently.
Also, just in the noise level, the increase of it
with the wall not being up there.
Our traffic is horrible on 14 mile as it is getting in
and out of our intersection.
I can't imagine more traffic.
And with the, if there's spaces, depending on what is going
to be go happening at this facility,
they're gonna be using the side streets for parking,
which eliminates our parking.
That which right now is congested as it is.
So I'm just basically wanting
to know what's gonna be done about that
to prevent issues like that.
Nope. Okay.
Hi, I'm Patty Legia and I live at 3 2 9 3 6 Oakview.
My property, um, is right behind the, uh,
proposed, uh, location.
And, um, like the other gentleman
and my friend had said, everything that goes on
that parking lot, we see, um, there's a lot
of traffic already.
Um, and, you know, there's a lot of late,
late, late night traffic.
That's most what I'm concerned about.
I know they said that, uh, they would be having
operating hours between like 8:00 AM and either six 30
or 8:00 PM My fear is that they're gonna go longer.
Um, and what is going to go into place
to prevent something like that from happening?
Um, I too am concerned about the traffic getting
out on our street.
Um, sometimes I sit right there at 14 mile in Oak View
for five minutes trying to make a left hand turn, uh,
onto 14 mile.
Um, and that I'm als concerned about the traffic, um,
people parking on our street,
if there's not a par enough parking in the, uh, parking lot
that it's gonna roll over onto, um, our streets
that are already congested.
So, thank you. Appreciate it. Thank
You, ma'am. Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Good. How are you? State
Your name and address for the record, please.
Raha. Um, I have a business owner, uh,
2 7 3. Talk closer to the mic.
Two seven to the mic. 2 7 6 3 East 14 Mile Road. Okay.
Uh, my business, NOIA Baar, just want
to bring some concerns about the citizens that comes
to my store and how, uh, confident
and how happy they are to hear
that they're having a community, uh, center that's built
for them, uh, to help them
and guide them to the needs that they always need.
Like some of these people, they, they do not drive.
They walk to my store
and they ask me personally, ask people in my store, uh,
where they could go get some help from.
And we guide them to other community centers.
So if something like this happens really close
to their house, I think it's gonna be really
beneficial for these people.
And I, I believe that it's about every day I,
I get people come and ask me, when is this happening?
When is this happening? When the,
when is the community center coming up?
And when is this going to be happening for them?
So I, I would request all of you guys
to think about these citizens
and think about the elderly people that they walk.
And I, I know everybody has concerns about driving,
concerns about parking and, and,
and issues and stuff like that.
Uh, like, uh, the four feet wall, it's been there.
I mean, nothing happened then,
so it shouldn't be a problem right now.
Uh, and also about these, these citizens, nobody helps them.
They walk around like blindfolded.
They, they're walking around asking for help
and I don't see anybody helping them.
So if you have concerns about these kind of things,
I think you should have concerns about these citizens too.
You should think about them. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
State your name and address for the record.
Good evening. My name is Han Ud.
Uh, I live Warren
and this building is very close from my house
within 200 feet.
And I am here to strong support for new community center.
Uh, this place just I'm requesting you, uh,
think about our building
because of here if, uh, approving is this building,
our community will be there gonna, uh,
big support about the family concerns and everything.
Uh, that why just I'm here today. Thank you so much.
Thank you, sir.
I know honor, my name is SFU Aman
and I'm live next to the, the building.
They try to get it, the community center,
and I always like, they say like,
we need a community center.
We don't have nothing in Warren Community Center.
A lot of people have to go to Hamtramck, to somebody have
to drive it to them.
I, I'm taking so many driver, so many customer,
I'm taking Hamtramck to them to community center please.
We need the committee center in Warren.
And I don't see any problem.
I leave, I don't see any traffic.
I come every time I don't see traffic.
And please request the committee center. Thank you.
Thank you, sir. Did you give your name
and address to the court reporter over there?
Yes. Alright. Thank you.
Good evening. My name is TFA Amin.
I live in Warren. My address is 3 1 1 2 7 Land Avenue.
I'm here today to kindly ask
for your support for this project.
The center will be a positive and safe place for our youth
and support for families,
and a welcoming space for everyone in the neighborhood,
no matter who they're, it'll offer good programs,
bring people together,
and help create a stronger, more connected community.
We will make sure it is clean, peaceful,
and follows all the city's rules.
The center is not just for us,
it's for the future of Warren.
I truly believe it'll make a big difference in many lives.
Thank you for your time and for considering this request.
Thank you, sir. Did
you give your name and address to the, uh, court reporter?
Okay. Please give your name
and address to the court reporter if you have it.
Hi everyone. Uh, thank you for being here today.
Uh, this is Job Islam.
I live, uh, nearly like three,
four minutes away from this building.
And, uh, I'm here
to support the community center is being built
and, uh, it'll be really good opportunity for our youth
to learn and, uh, for the seniors to do,
do their activities.
And, uh, I will request everybody to join with us
and, uh, let's make the community hall
and it'll be very grateful for us. Thank you.
Thank you sir.
Anyone else wanna come and speak on this item?
State your name and address for the record.
Yes, my name is Uni Laal.
I'm the engineer who, uh, uh, develop these drawings
for the existing building and the existing site plan.
Um, so I spoke with the
community and I believe these variances should be
easy to be granted as it is, uh, an existing building,
existing site plan, maybe with some, uh, improvements, like
if they wanted to go with raise the existing
fence or the, the, the screen wall
or with the, uh, I think the engineer recommend that has
green built with, uh, evergreen screen, uh, trees.
So I think this will improve the site and reduce the noise
or whatever the, uh, neighbors consider
regarding the traffic or noise coming from the parking lot.
And if you have any question
regarding the drawings, I'm here to answer.
Thank you, sir. You're very welcome.
Does anyone else like to speak on this item?
You have your name and address to the court reporter.
Hello, my name is Ahed Islam.
Uh, I live at 2 7 4 6 Palm Mount Drive, uh, about three,
four minutes away from the building.
Um, I use the 14 mile road a lot.
Uh, I come out of Vice Royal all the time
and I think, uh, there's usually
no problem with me with traffic.
I also know I, I used to live like, uh,
in the Hamtramck area
and a lot of people also like, started out there
and are starting to move up north.
So there is a lot of like a big community here.
And I think like, uh, the, the community center will be good
for a lot of people who are moving, uh, up north,
uh, around this area. Thank you.
Thank you. Anyone
else like to speak on this item?
Good evening all. Actually, I'm leaving the, um,
staling highs cross street of the Warren,
but every single day, day night,
five o'clock morning I go work.
I saw no any traffic. This building of this center.
Even I'm sometime come from my work 10 o'clock.
I don't see any traffic or anything we need for our bangali.
Whose community in the Warren City and Staling Heights.
I am. I live there,
this building from two, like two minutes away.
When I go outside, I saw a lot of people,
Bangladeshi people community walking
and they ask me, yo, hey,
we need a community center here because we need help.
They're going to feel hamstra
or gonna say another city,
though they're gonna give a hard time.
So I request
for this center is the okay
for Bangladesh community. Thank you so much.
Thank you sir. Sir, Yes.
Anyone else like to speak on this item?
Seeing none will close the public hearing
and turn it over to the commission.
Motion to approve with discussion.
Maury, support Commissioner Chari,
I, if I may comm, uh, Mr.
Chair. Go ahead.
Um, I know this was probably proposed
and I was looking at some of the other paperwork
where it says, uh, Daru Huda Community Center.
And then in the parentheses we wanna use the word
religious activities and kind of bring out the question
of daily five time prayers.
We wanna bring out the question of singing.
The call to prayer is being known as singing.
Um, so those type of, you know,
especially using the word religious activities in a
community center that is being
built for the whole community.
I know the Bang Bangladeshi community is proposing this.
However, it's been open for the whole community.
And we wanna use religious activities as a word
and kind of, I don't wanna use the word scare away people,
people who are like, oh, they're gonna be calling out pears.
You live in the city of foreign.
You know, the fact that the pair does not get called out
loudly and any of the mosque, we have lot
of the mosque in the city.
Um, um, I forget the count, it's almost a dozen now.
None of the prayer calls gets out loud.
So that means you're probably not aware of the fact
that the city does not allow the
prayer to be called out loud.
That's one of my point.
Second thing, especially if you look at some
of the underlying bullet points, it talks about
how it's gonna support the youth,
how it's gonna support the community with the translation,
paperwork, insurance, all these other activities
that are taking place in a community center.
But I think the only thing that I keep on hearing over
and over is kind of like, oh, the prayers gonna get called.
Yes. We go to other facilities where prayers are being held
and the the Muslim community wants to pray five times a day.
We are not gonna just kind of come and target them.
You're like, oh, you're using this as a prayer facility.
I just felt like that was not fair.
I definitely support the idea
of a community center in the city of Warren.
We're so diverse. We need
to support all the people who are living here.
We definitely need to be as a citizen, as a good Citi,
as a good citizen of city of Warren.
It should definitely be targeting all the youths.
People are so addicted to the devices right now.
The fact of promoting a community center,
which is gonna bring in everyone together is something
that should excite every single of us.
We're seeing the next generation, they don't even know
how to communicate properly.
They don't even know how to talk.
You see all these people with a DHD
and all these other problems because of what,
because of staying home.
They're not going outside.
You don't see kids playing outside anymore.
These type of community centers
for the community is the next step
that every single community needs to take
to bring the community together.
And I definitely have my support for this.
So that's all I wanna say. Thank you.
Any other discussion? Commissioner Chair?
I totally agree with Commissioner Maury.
Um, people use the word religious center.
There's so many activities you can do at a religious center.
It's the community that's trying
to gather all these younger generations to come in.
And I myself work in Hamtramck
and the prayer to call is out there in that area.
But like she said, there is a reli, there's so many dozen
of religious centers here,
but the prayer to call is not out loud.
Just like some of the, um, church bells that we hear,
we have no problems with the church bells
ringing our community.
Muslims do not come out there against the
church bells that are ringing.
We really respect that
and I hope you guys will respect the Muslim
cultural religion as well.
That's all I have to say. Thank you.
Anyone else like to speak on this item? Yes.
I call petitioner. Petitioner.
Can you please come to the microphone?
Uh, two of our commissioner sister, um, Maori
and Ana, I agree with their,
um, what they said.
I don't wanna repeat this thing again.
And also at the same time I see a few
of the neighbor came here and I also agree with them too.
Uh, if I was the same neighbor, um, I would be worried about
that four feet wall.
So my question to petitioner, are we agree if we, you know,
is a six feet one of the neighbor,
he mentioned that eight feet.
So if we request the eight feet wall, are we gonna be agree
with that so that way neighbor can, you know, uh,
can feel more comfortable that, you know, uh,
all those people, uh, if they come
that it's not gonna bother the,
the noise and you know, things
When you say, you know, that's an important, when you go
to any community center, you say all the things going on,
people just park and go inside number
One. Okay.
I'm asking you a question
In regards to the, the six foot wall is re would be
required, I think.
Okay, I'm gonna, because the animal hospital got away
with a forefoot wall, we would be gra glad
to do a green belt to add part of the wall in order
to provide the screening.
But, you know, we would like to do it in such a way
as the not lose parking either.
And I've talked with the architect about that
and we believe that we can do it
and come up with a solution so that the people do not have
to see any cars.
Okay. Which they've been stands I i
i now for the last 20 years.
But, we'll, I completely understand,
but we'll do what we can for screening. Yes.
I completely understand where you're coming from.
At the same time as a neighbor, you know, he's living next
to the just this, uh, animal building.
So his concern as a commissioner, we have
to see everyone concern as, you know, both
of the side is the part of the community.
We can just cannot see one side.
So we have to also see as a neighbor his concern too.
No, that's true. And
that would just be on the east side anyways.
There's four, uh, residential lots there
that we would make sure that gets greened.
Okay. Okay. I want to put on the record,
Right? And
I have another, um, question.
May I call, uh, planning director. Planning director.
Can you please come to the microphone? I have a question.
Ron. Iran,
I, Yes,
I see the recommendation.
Uh, you mentioned that variance that, um,
should be, uh, 20 feet, uh, instead of eight feet
and get the variance from the GBA.
So my question is, is it ex existing building?
Is there any way, can we do something like, you know,
as this is a existing building
and it's already eight feet there?
Okay, how I answer this, this way.
When, when people
think that they can use, uh, an existing site
as it is, but once they are
taught about the zoning ordinance
and Section five 11, which not only
talks about religious facilities,
but community centers, we're not talk, we're,
the argument isn't necessarily the religious part of it,
but it's the community center and everything,
and all those uses that were mentioned here, were here
because of section 5.11
and 5.11 overrules all the other zones
and their setbacks.
So when they talk about, uh, a variance for that eight foot
side yard, um, it's true.
And it's supposed to be 20 feet.
If it's not 20 feet, then you have to get a variance
and approval to make it less, or rather keep it less.
Same with that front setback along a 14 mile road
that's less than 30 feet.
Gotta get a variance for that
on the west side, okay?
Where the driveway is part, the, uh,
the property line runs down through the driveway.
It's 14 feet, it's supposed to be 20.
These are rules, okay?
And if you were to build a new site,
you'd have a better opportunity to comply.
There's no way you're gonna comply here
unless you take, take down the building
and rebuild the building at the proper setbacks.
That's how you're gonna remedy the problem
with the setbacks.
And, and that, and they, these are variances
that you've seen.
These community centers come in time and time again
and they all need variances
because they're staying with the original building.
And, and, uh, unfortunately, uh, people don't know this.
I wish that they would check with the city before.
Uh, they'd, they'd even ponder, uh, purchasing a site.
Don't purchase a site, have a purchase agreement so
that then you can check with the city
and find out what you're up against
and what you're not up against.
Alright? So that's what the issue is
with the setbacks.
Again, I repeat five 11
and the setbacks overrule all the other, uh,
uh, zones in this city.
Alright? And that goes in, they can, they can go anywhere.
That's, that's the good thing about it.
But they just have to go anywhere under those regulations.
Uh, thank you Don. Okay.
Uh, may I call, uh, petitioner again, please?
Uh, you had a chance to review all those recommendation.
I think in a few, few of them you had issue,
but as you heard that, uh, director say that,
are you okay with that still?
Uh, with, with the recommendation he, you know,
planning department, are you okay with that recommendation?
He did not agree with the, uh, request you requested, uh,
for the variance?
Yeah. Well, we, there's gonna have
to be variances by all means.
We can get the variances. Remember, I, I went to the, you,
You, you requested,
but he just say that you have to accept the recommendation.
You okay with that? The recommendation they have provided
At this time? Yes.
This time? Yes. Yes.
We will get the variances. Okay.
I would, my, my request for relief,
maybe the city attorney may have to address this,
but my, our, our hope is, is
that we can have the building do the,
get the building permits
and obtain the variances In the meantime,
I guess we don't get them, we're,
we wasted a lot of money too.
Okay. So also, I believe I went through the variances
and showed that they weren't, we're not talking about a lot,
but anything can happen.
And, and I've seen it sitting on the,
as the attorney for the ZBA, anything can happen.
But that's, that's our request for relief.
Okay. Also, you heard that all those,
the neighbors had some complaint about that wall and things.
You are okay with that? All those
No. We're, we're gonna take care of that
wall. I talked
to the architect even thinks we can get it to eight feet,
even though it's only requires six feet.
And he says that that's a real, that's a yes. Alright.
Okay. So we, we got that taken care of.
Alright, thank you. You're welcome.
Anyone else will speak on this item?
Um, Mr. Chairman, uh, a couple of things.
Um, I think this is a good idea for what it is
and what it's for.
Uh, but where I am having a real problem
with this is this has to go in front of zoning board
of appeals and the CBA has
to approve all this stuff.
And if they don't, then everybody's in trouble,
uh, so to speak.
Uh, I don't think anybody's going to tear half the wall
or half the building down in order to move it
for the setbacks or anything.
But personally I'd like to see it go to zoning board
of appeals and get their take on it
and get their approvals on the whole thing
before I'm comfortable in saying, okay, we can go ahead
with this and take it from there.
I don't know about this eight foot wall.
Um, uh, I was under the impression
that six foot was the max.
Uh, if, if we're gonna go to a eight foot wall, then
that's gotta be in front of the zoning board
of appeals also 'cause they can approve it.
Um, there's just a whole bunch of things that have to go
to ZBA and I'm not comfortable saying yes,
that this is a good idea and it's a nice plan,
but it needs a lot of help.
And the place to go
for help on this is the zoning board of appeals.
That's all there is to it. Um, and they have to approve.
I mean, we can approve it all we want,
but if they knock some of this down, then we're right back
to, uh, uh, the beginning.
That what are we going to do next?
Um, is there a reason why this
didn't go to zoning Board of Appeals originally?
Does anybody have that answer?
Uh, yes. It's not common anymore to go to the zoning board
of appeals before you come to the Planning commission.
The planning commission takes a look at all, all the, uh,
parts and pieces, uh, that are moving on a site.
And, uh, we wanna be able to have comment on that, uh,
before, uh, it goes to the zoning board of appeals.
Sometimes, or many times if it goes to the zoning board
of appeals, they'll waive items that, uh, right.
The Planning Commission might not necessarily want waived.
I mean, this goes, let's just put it this way.
If you postpone this
and have the petitioner go to the zoning board of appeals,
um, that's fine.
I, I see No, but postpone it. See what happens.
Um, planning staff has an opinion
that the zoning board of appeals asks us for,
and that's what, uh, we will provide when it, when it comes
to, uh, that particular
Well, and they'll also have a transcript
of this meeting. Uh,
They can, they, we give them the information.
Right now we're, we, we have plenty of information
plus the transcript as you say, that they can review
and help them make decisions regarding this.
But, uh, you've got dimensional variances.
Those probably aren't much.
It's the other items that may turn out to be more.
And, uh, they're gonna look at the size of this site,
where it's at, and the safety issues
that we always look for.
Yes. Um, I, you know, uh, after everything's said
and done, I, I actually agree
with putting a door on the north side someplace
so people don't have to walk down the driveway
and possibly get hit or whatever else.
That's a good idea. Um, I think
that is a very, very good idea.
Um, but I, like I said, I'd like to see zoning board
of appeals give their blessing to all a lot of this
and to tie it all down before we approve it
and say, yes, go ahead.
I think it's a great idea, but it needs a little more work.
That's where I'm at.
Go ahead. You wanna say Something? If I may, Mr.
Chair, um, what has to be considered is
that a variance runs with the land, right?
So if a site plan isn't approved,
there would be variance variances that would attach
to any other development that maybe wouldn't be so desired
to different development.
But there would be the variance
and they would, the new developer would meet the zoning
ordinances with the variance.
A site plan approval would be subject to the variances.
In other words, there wouldn't be approval if the
variances were not obtained.
Anyone else like to speak on this?
Okay. One thing I, I'm not familiar with the Bengali
religion, their practices and things like that,
but one note that I do have in my findings on my sheet here,
it says a notice
provided on the floor plan
that the community center is only open to men
and that no women will attend events.
Well, if it's a community center,
why wouldn't you have women?
I don't know. Maybe that's, that's what I, so my,
I'm just reading what's on my paperwork.
I dunno how true it is or whatever. That's my first comment.
My second comment is the driveway
that you go through to get in the back.
I know it was an animal hospital
and I know that, um, when you have animals,
you get some traffic,
but you're not gonna have the kind of traffic
that you're gonna have with the community center.
Uh, there are a lot of variances in here that need
to be looked at.
And like, uh, the attorney said, once is approved for this,
then if this doesn't go through
and another place wants to work, come in that spot,
then they gotta abide by the same variances,
which is not fair to other places that have to work
with the variances that the city offers.
So, um, there's a, there's a lot of things that need
to be done that I think may be too small for the
application that you want.
I know the importance of community community center.
I appreciate that. I appreciate the help
that they give and everything like that.
But I, and then as far as parking goes, I've seen other,
other, other ones that we've approved where, like,
they blocked off part of the driveway.
It was a shared drive. They blocked it off for their people
to come in, but it just, it caused issues with the neighbor.
So, like I say, you've got
two businesses sharing one driveway,
and if their, if their parking lot gets full,
then they're gonna start parking on the other people's
driveway, other people's parking lot,
which is not good to do either.
So, and then the 80 people capacity
that they say the fire marshal's concerned about,
how are they going to make sure only 80 people,
I know you can count 80 people, but who's gonna sit there
and count the number of people to
come into the community center?
So there's a lot of factors that you have
to take into consideration here,
and that's the reason why it,
I'm really not in agreement personally for it,
but like, that's my personal opinion.
But, uh, I'll leave it up to the commission.
Mr. Chair, if I may mm-hmm.
Ask a question to the petitioner specifically.
Um, especially the comment from the chair regarding,
and I I found it in here too.
Um, the floor plan at the community
center is only open to men.
Can you please speak a little bit more about that?
Uh, it's a misprint.
It's a misprint, yes. So it is
open to the whole community?
Absolutely. Okay. Okay. I wanted to clarify. Uh,
Yes. Okay. Secondly,
I agree with Ms. Michaels.
You, you, as a general rule,
we go sit down with the planning commission.
I was just retained what, maybe 14 days ago. Okay.
And we just finally got together with the, the architect.
We usually, we sit down and go over these things.
And this has came to a little bit of surprise
to me when it came and said that it's under religious
and they put it under with the church.
There's also something in office which talks about things
like offices to, you know, educate
and things of that nature to where it could
possibly qualify under office.
So it came to a little bit of a shock when I received this.
What was it? What is today? It was Friday.
I think I received it. But I agree with Ms.
Michaels and, and I, I will go along with, uh, Mr.
Doozy in regards to what he's indicating is,
but with the fact that you prove the site plan
and it's conditional upon us getting the variances, just
as Ms. Michael said, that's how we've always done it.
So if you prove the site plan, we get the variances,
then everything is, then you can go forward just as Mr.
Uh, Wirth has indicated.
So that, that would be the way to do it.
You know, I I, my client asked me, can you,
can you get the variances later on?
But I, I agree with Mr. Juzi. What?
So what if you don't, what if you don't get them
and you put all this money into it
and all this effort, like you said, you're gonna have to
take, have an open wall on the, on the west side.
So I, I I, we will, we will go along with that
because then you're gonna have to go in front of the ZBA,
you get the variances, then your,
then your site plan then is okay with the, the planner
because that's part of the recommendations.
So we will accept that, approve the site plan subject to
the variances granted as required per planning commission.
Thank you. Any other questions?
Nope. Nothing for me. Thanks
Chair. Anyone else?
I'm sorry, just a clarification.
We spoke with the petitioner at the counter
and asked a question about that
and they verified that there would not,
that the note on the floor plan was accurate.
So I guess you would need clarification.
He said it was a misprint,
but we did ask the petitioner when they submitted it.
So I guess that, just for clarification,
'cause that's what I was told we when,
when I asked the question.
Okay. Thank you Mr. You're welcome.
Alright. Um, Mr. Chairman. Yes.
If the maker of the motion would amend their motion
to say we approve this, uh, subject
to the approval from the zoning board
of appeals, would that work?
I mean, that is something I think the petitioner also
mentioned that they're gonna go ahead and get there.
Well, so with the conditions of the
Zoning, with the conditions of,
of the zoning board of appeals and
Mr Commission. Yeah, Mr.
Chair, that's what the, that's
what the recommendation says anyway.
It already says that. Yeah. Okay.
We don't have to explain it.
It's just, uh, if, if it's you're, you're going
for approval, I prefer to see it, uh, postponed
for a time so that you can go to the ZVA
and see if you can get these variances, then come back.
It's clean and you can then vote
the way you want it to vote.
Yeah, That's my thought.
But, uh, anyway, it's, it's already said here in there.
You have to get the variances. We all know that. Yeah.
I don't think we have to verbalize it.
I agree with that. Um, it's already in
there in the recommendation.
I don't think we need to amend this again,
The recommendation mentions that if it's approved, you'd,
you would have to get the variance.
So the motion I think, suffices that whole conversation
Well as, as long as we're covered,
because I don't want this
Coming back. It's in the,
in the recommendation. It stay in
There already in the recommendations.
All right. That was a motion by Commissioner
Moray, supported by Mr.
Childry. You wanna state the nature of the motion now
as far as what you're adding or suggesting
or you wanna postpone it or till they go
to zoning board or what do you want to do?
I think what, especially Ms.
Michaels also mentioning, once we approve it,
they'll be able to go to the zoning board of appeals
and get their variances.
So that's the process, if I'm not mistaken. Okay.
That is the directed. So yes, I would like to stay
with the motion for approval for this
so they can move forward to the next step.
All right. Do you agree with that, Ms. Childry? Yes.
Yes.
Okay. Go ahead with the roll call.
Go with the roll call. Okay. Commissioner Mauri? Yes.
Commissioner C Chaudry? Yes. To approve. Commissioner Anza?
Yes. To approve Commissioner Duhe?
I'll vote. No. I think we also
provide like reasoning,
Um, uh, getting approvals from zoning board of
Appeals that is comes with I,
I understand, but I'm very, very ner
I'm nervous about them knocking something down
or finding something different than
we haven't addressed yet.
I'd like to see it go to ZBA.
Commissioner Hollow?
No. To be. Uh, my reasoning is I feel there's gonna be a
detriment to the area and, and increase the traffic.
Commissioner Barki,
I'd like to not deny or approve.
I'd like to make a motion to we postpone it.
Uh, we got the motion we board. You gotta either, we're
Gonna have to say no because I wanna postpone it.
If I may. Motion to postpone takes, takes precedence.
Oh, it does,
But she's But we didn't have a second.
The motion to postpone.
That is correct. It would have to be seconded.
Correct. Second. Oh
It then, then I second that motion to postpone.
Okay. So Commissioner Buki and Hollow.
So do we go with that motion? We'll do that motion
Correct? Yes.
You have to change the motion.
So you guys go Okay with that motion?
No, that's gonna be the second motion.
That would vote first. Yes.
Correct. Yes. You don't change the original WA motion?
Yes. So I'll go ahead with the second motion to postpone,
uh, commissioner Beki.
Yes. Yes. To postponed. Um, do we have a date or,
Um, what would be the recommended date for this
to come cleaner at least So we can see some
of these things resolved. I can't talk today.
Uh, we might get some help in a minute.
Chair. We suggest you make it indefinitely.
I mean, we typically like doing a date certain,
but in this case, 'cause we don't know when they can get on
the ZBA and then we'll re-notice when it comes
back to planning commission.
So if you do end up tape postponing to a
postponing the item, you can do it indefinitely
and we will re-notice when it comes back.
Thanks Mr. Michelle. Alright
Then that's, I'll add that to the motion.
Okay. Okay. So the motion to postpone indefinitely mm-hmm.
That was by Commissioner Menke, supported
by Commissioner Hollow Wadi roll call.
Yep. Commissioner Buki. Yes.
Commissioner Hollow. Yes. To postpone? Definitely.
Yep. Commissioner, sir,
I just wanna, um, can I, can I question, uh,
to the attorney, as you mentioned, that, um,
if we approve it, we eventually have to go through the uh,
GBA for the all those variants.
Right? If we postpone, then what the reason is, uh,
my commissioner, my colleague commissioner Za mentioned
that reason is we, they have to go through the GBA first
and then after get the all those variants
and then come back to the planning
commission, then get the approval. Am I right?
That is correct. The ZBA approvals could be requested
preferably after setting site plan approval or,
and if it's postponed
and the petitioner wants to move forward
with the applications to the ZBA first
before coming back here, that's permissible too.
There's nothing in the ordinance stating an order.
There's just been a practice which has been
planning commission first, then ZBA.
But there's no requirement either way.
So the petitioner could go now or go later.
Yeah. The same thing.
You know, we are doing, we can approve it now
and then they can go to the, uh, GPA
and get those, all those variants eventually, right?
Yes. Yes. So I don't, I, my due respect to my, uh, you know,
colleague commissioner, it's the same thing.
If we approve it right now, we still can go, uh, you know,
they still have to go through those, uh,
GBA and get the VARI ends. It has
To.
But you're assuming that the ZBA goes along
with everything that's proposed.
They, if they don't, then it is petition.
They have to go through all those things. Right?
Well, that, that's the problem. Yeah, I know.
But if we approve, it's same thing.
If we postponed it
and you know, the same thing as attorney mentioned that,
so I, I request, you know, I'm gonna request to the, uh,
you know, uh, URI keep the same, you know, approval, uh,
thing for the motion.
We, we still have the first motion in place, but
because we have the postponed motion, we have to go
through that first because that
President, if we agree, if we agree to postpone, then
and, you know, uh, you change your
motion if you don't agree.
No, I didn't make the motion.
Commissioner Bki made the motion
and Commissioner Hollow secondary.
So that means we have to vote that first.
Oh, okay. Okay. So that, that takes, so
The same thing. We are doing it
again. I know
It. I mean, yeah.
What would be your vote?
Uh, on which one? On motion, On the postponement
Postponed, I would say no.
Okay. Commissioner Zey? Yes.
Okay. Commissioner Hollow.
I, I voted, sorry. Uh, yes.
Postponed. Yes. Yes. You're the second? Yes.
Uh, commissioner. Commissioner Chadri?
No.
Okay. Commissioner Moy. I do wanna clarify one thing.
I know the procedure has been get the approval, get the,
um, variances.
So I'd wanna clarify one thing with the attorney.
So if they don't end up getting the variance
through the ZBA, does that mean the motion
and the site plan fails and they can't proceed with it?
Yes. That means the site plan does fail approve.
So I wanna kind of clarify that
because if they don't get the motion, they're not moving
to the step of kind of building the community center
until the ZVA kind of gives their blessing.
They won't be able to move
with like the building permits and all that stuff.
Correct. Won't be moving.
So I feel like we're kind of going in a circle right now
because it is with the condition
of getting the ZVA approval, if it doesn't go
through the site plan fails anyway.
So definitely I respect everyone's opinion,
but I feel like we're gonna be coming back
and kind of, you know, going with all of our time again
and going through all of this when it's kind
of, we're talking the same thing.
I think we're approving it. It's going with the motion.
If even with the postpone postponement, they're gonna go
through the ZBA and ask for their approval.
But even if we approve this, they're gonna ask
for their approval either way.
If either way. If it fails at that point,
this doesn't move forward.
Exactly. So I think I definitely wanna kind of bring
that up and that's why I don't want this to fail
because we're not moving to the postpone.
And I definitely understand everyone's opinion,
but kind of, I think we're talking the same thing.
That's all I'm trying to say. Just
A different level.
We're coming back in circle.
I'm gonna vote no on the postponement. Commissioner Smith,
I'm gonna vote yes on the postponement
because, um,
there's too many unanswered questions, um,
to say motion to approve, and then they go to ZBA
and mo, they get denied.
Then it's just rolling it all over again.
Um, there's too many
discrepancies in the distances
and I understand it's a community center.
I understand how community centers work
and everything like that, but I just don't think it's
sized properly for what they want to do there.
So I made a motion to postpone.
So we got a four and three,
so we didn't get a majority vote.
So it gets automatically postponed anyway.
Correct. Is that since the, since it's automatic, does
that mean it gets postponed to the next meeting?
Well, indefinitely definitely.
Indefinitely definitely. Which works out
because it gives 'em time to go to ZBA and go from there.
And that's one less step that they'd have to do. Okay. Okay.
If they get it in front of ZBA in the next two weeks, uh,
it could be 2, 2, 3 weeks, maybe four weeks before,
and we have it right back and go for it from there,
but then it's clean.
That's what I'm really worried about on.
And, and I understand your point and, and I agree with it,
but in my experience,
you don't know what's going to come down.
The pike and Zoning Board of Appeals can come up
with something that we haven't talked about
or even thought about.
And that's what worries me.
Uh, I have a lot of respect for the people on ZBA
and how they do it and what they do.
And it's a tough job,
but they've got insight into things that
sometimes we think about, sometimes we don't.
And having another look, having another set
of eyes take a look at it, I think is a good idea.
E even something like this, six foot
or eight foot wall, um, does it need a wall?
Yeah. Is a four foot wall doing it? No.
But can we go much higher than a six foot?
If ZBA comes through and has, uh, says
and they petition for an eight foot wall,
then it's an eight foot wall,
the zoning board of appeals can do that.
We can't. So that
I think we are, we're all in support
of the community center.
It's the devil's in the details
and that's what I'm concerned about.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
And if, let me just make a comment too.
And if the variances do get approved for this application
and they move out
and another place wants to go in there, they will be able
to use the same variances for theirs,
and it may not be what we want it to be also.
So therefore, because the variance runs
with the, with the land.
Okay. Then we run with just the building runs with the land.
So what if it gets approved, it's gonna run with that land
as long as the variance is there.
So that's the reason I wanted to postpone it
and let 'em go through this first to just to see
what zoning's gonna save. Okay. Okay.
Do we still go with the second first
motion that was in place?
Or overtakes
That No, we, we don't have a five.
We have to have five to just say yes or no. Okay.
And we don't have five, so it's gotta be
postponed automatically.
So, so therefore,
You know, I, I wanna help you out.
You don't have, you don't have five votes either way. Right.
So we have, and we don't even have nine people up here.
Right, right, right. So it should, I'm going to,
I'll make it easy for you.
We wanted table 'cause you don't have a full board because,
and then we can go to, then we can go
to the ZBA ahead of time. Right? We,
If we, you we've Gotta postpone no objection.
We can go to the ZBA. Pardon
Me. It's gotta be automatically
postponed
because we don't have five votes
either way, either. This gives you enough time.
So, but you're gonna have to go to the original motion.
Now, according to Robert's rules of order.
But even on the original motion,
we didn't have five votes.
I know. So It's okay.
So therefore if you don't have five votes, the yay
or nay, it's automatically postponed.
I, I agree. But in the meantime,
we can go to the ZBA. Yeah.
In the meantime you go to the
ZBA. Yeah. Thank you. We're all set. Thank. Yeah.
Goodnight. All right. Thank you.
Go to to ZBA Cecil.
I know I about to say yes, so,
Oh yes, definitely. Yes.
Alright, let's take a,
let's take a five minute, uh, recess.
Okay. Yeah. Okay.
The commission went away with that. Mm-hmm.
Uh, we have about a little over a minute
before we reconvene our, our meeting.
Hey.
Okay. We're gonna reconvene our mo our,
uh, our meeting now.
So just to, just to cap on the last, uh,
motion, we made a motion to postpone indefinitely,
which will allow the petitioner to go to ZBA
for the variances first.
Alright. Item number
six E.
Item number six.
E site plan for addition of truck well and parking lot.
Located on the south side of 14 mile road,
approximately 1008 point 77 feet
east of Ryan Road.
4 4 0 0 14 mile road.
Section five Rabba KMA slash rabba management llc.
Uh, John GMA slash John, uh, GMA Group. PS P 2 5 0 0 2 4.
Thank you.
Thank you. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening, sir. Good
Evening. How are you?
Not too bad. Do you want tell us a little
bit about your project?
Sure. My name is John Gumma. Um, we provided these plans.
Um, so this was a former Gardner White building
who has, has been vacant since, uh,
Gardner White went out of business.
Um, I believe it's been four or five years of vacancy now.
Um, we submitted our plans to a building
and, uh, have a permit.
We submitted the plans to mdot and County
and they're all waiting on result of this
to release the permits, um,
and plans so we can proceed with this.
So this is going to be, right now they have a current
existing business in Madison Heights.
It is, uh, three buildings and they're looking to sell that
and consolidate everything into one building here
in the city of Warren.
Um, in Madison Heights.
They've been there for, uh, 29 years.
And, um, they are not just, um, sales
of Mark like, uh, market.
They sell a little bit of everything.
So all ethnic, all types of ethnic foods.
And, um, their hours are Monday through Saturday,
uh, nine till eight, nine till eight and Sunday less hours.
Um, deliveries begin at 9:00 AM nothing sooner,
nothing earlier, and nothing past 3:00 PM for deliveries.
Um, We are gonna do an exterior renovation,
exterior facade, renovation, and, um,
and the interior is going to get outfitted
for several different, uh, ethnic foods of your, uh,
typical, uh, produce, um, your, um,
ethnic foods of like prepared hot foods.
Um, and we per, we submitted plans
to the health department as well.
Uh, we have a new grease trap coming in.
Um, we also have a, uh, they have a huge, um,
area for like gifts and religious, um, things like that.
Um, the arrear of the building is heavily landscaped
as it was prior to that.
We are only adding a couple rows in the rear
for employee parking.
Um, and then the rest is gonna be on the east side
and the north side.
The existing parking as it as it remains.
Now, um, we are gonna resurface that parking lot,
existing parking lot 'cause it's just, um,
being sitting dormant for so many years.
It's kind of like it needs some help right now.
Um, I'm here to ask any answer, any questions you may have.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current engineering
preliminary review
of this site indicates no difficulty in development.
However, any improvements in the 14 mile right away are
subject to the approval of Michigan Department
of Transportation or Macomb County Department
of Roads Fire pertaining to the traffic letter
and site plan, uh, submission
for 4 4 0 0 14 mile PSP
2 5 0 0 2 4.
The fire department doesn't see any issue with this project.
We look forward to seeing fire alarm
submissions farther in the project.
At and t at and t does not object to this project.
We do have facilities on the property,
but they are not expected to be affected
if any conflicts occur.
Please advise the petitioner to contact
engineer engineer Darren Jordan
JD 3 5 0 4 a att.com,
5 8 6 2 1 5 2 8 4 9 to discuss options.
Comcast. In response to your utility request for the
above project, please refer to the attached map
for the location of Comcast CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further resistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
CCC utility request@teamsigma.com.
Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, playing department's.
Recommendation phone's going on here.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the, uh, site plan for Truck well
and parking Lot edition be approved with standard conditions
of the, uh, planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, five copies
of revised site plans shall be
submitted indicating the following.
A add, uh, the zoning information, uh,
to the site data chart one B,
the 21.4 foot maneuvering lane is less than the
minimum 22 foot wide or 22 foot width required.
Uh, the front parking spaces, which are
currently dimension at 20 feet can be reduced to 19 feet
as vehicle overhang is possible.
This will allow the maneuvering lane
to increase one additional foot meeting The zoning
ordinance one C.
Currently, uh, there are, uh, parking bumper curbs
provided along the North Edge
and some, uh, of the east edge
of the existing asphalt parking lot.
Additionally, the condition of the existing parking lot
appears to need maintenance.
Uh, the site plan indicates new curb
and gutter for the new parking lot.
However, it does not indicate parking bumper, curbs,
or concrete curbing for the
existing parking lot area.
If parking bumper lot, excuse me, if parking bumper curbs
are to be utilized in the existing parking lot,
they shall be reset and the broken or missing ones replaced.
Update the site plan accordingly.
Uh, 1D in review of the lighting plan, the planning staff,
uh, recommends the pole proposed in the northeast corner
of the site and along the east driveway be reconsidered.
It appears very close to the driveway curbing, uh,
along the main vehicle access for the site.
Additionally, there are new light poles
proposed nearby along with
existing lighting in the right of way.
However, if it is, uh, deemed necessary for operations,
please provide the reasoning.
The pole should be set back at least five feet from the east
edge of the driveway.
Uh, one e label all existing
and proposed fences on the site plan Condition number
two, five.
Copies of revised landscape plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, update the landscape plans so that, uh, in addition
to the evergreen trees, it includes the several
deciduous trees on the property,
especially along the south property line.
And condition.
Three, they, God I can't say it,
a performance bond in the amount
of $24,000 be posted according to the estimated cost
of $800,000 by the petitioner.
So with that Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you.
Thank you Mr. Warren. This is a public hearing.
If anybody would like to speak on
this item, please come forth.
State your name and address for the record
and you have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none will turn over to the commission.
Commissioner chair, I make a motion to approve support.
Commissioner Childry.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow, Wadi supported,
becoming supported by Commissioner c Childry.
Uh, any discussion?
Uh, Mr. Chairman? Uh, I just want to ask the petitioner,
why are you going to be parking trucks in the parking lot?
No, and the delivery trucks are not semi trucks.
They're just cube trucks.
Okay. So you're not gonna have, uh, trucks with, uh, air,
uh, freezers on them and the rest of it
Absolutely not. That,
That was my only question.
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else
through the petitioner?
Good evening, sir. Uh, the one question that I had was,
I noticed on the drawing it,
it set it in the findings I guess,
but with all the parking spaces in the back of the building,
I didn't see an access door back there to
where people were parked back there
from getting into the building.
Even the ones on the side.
Do they have to go all the way
to the front to come in through the front?
No, we do have a, um,
a door in the rear next to the truck.
Well, we have another one, um, on the,
would be the east side as well.
'cause there's an existing one there now on the east side
next to the, uh, DTE transformer and that's going to remain.
Okay. Uh, the other question I have,
if you look at the truck
and trailer from the back area,
you see the one semi is coming around.
It's coming close to the corner of the building
and it goes down the first lane
and then the other one comes out and comes back around.
The second set of parking spaces go around
to the truck Dodge, the one
that's in the first lane seems like it's kind of close
to that corner of the building.
Is that gonna be a, a truck route
or is that just showing a possible truck route?
That's just a possible truck route,
but like I said, we all the, uh,
deliveries are cube um, trucks.
There are no semi-truck deliveries.
Okay. So most of the parking in
the back is for employees or
Employees? Correct.
Okay. Um,
I noticed in the back also when I was there,
there's a lot of water standing.
Yes. So you have to check with drainage in that area.
You may have to do something to pertain to drainage. Yes.
'cause currently it's just gravel.
There's no pitch to anything.
So ponds, um, we are,
we are addressing that with the county.
Are there sewers back there? You can tie cage,
ba catch basins and everything into,
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Um, I think that was about it.
When did, when did you figure this would, would open up
and what kind of hours would they be?
So the hours are from nine till eight, Monday
through Saturday and Sunday.
Nine till 6, 5, 6, 7 Sunday's less hours.
Okay. Um, and,
but like, like I said, we have permits to begin,
uh, construction inside.
We're just waiting for this approval
so we can get our county permits done.
So we can start immediately.
I, I was by there the other day.
I saw where they opened up that corner
where the entrance is gonna be.
Yes. So, all right, sir.
Uh, anybody else have any questions?
Okay. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Most definitely. Commissioner Childre? Yes. To approve.
Commissioner Za? Yes. To approve commissioner? Yes.
To approve Commissioner Mor votes. Yes. Commissioner Buki?
Yes. To approve Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To be, yes. To approve.
It'd be nice to have a nice market there
to we can get different kinds of international foods,
especially because our area's so diverse.
You can carry a little something for everybody.
Thank you so much. Good luck with your project.
Have a good evening. Thank you. You have a good evening.
Sorry for the delay for everything. No problem.
It's worth it. Alright, I Number seven,
correspondence seven
AIF of adoption
of the master plan from the city of Starling Heights.
The Starling Heights City Council adopted the master plan on
May 20th, 2025.
A copy of the adopted master plan is available on the city's
webpage, Starling Heights dot govs slash 2 2 5 7
slash City Plans. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary, you need
a motion to receive and file. I
Make a motion to receive and file
Support Commissioner Childry.
That is a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi supported
by Commissioner Childry.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Item seven B.
Item seven B. Notice of Intent
to conduct master plan update from the City
of Madison Heights.
The City of Madison Heights is initiating the process
to update their current master plan adopted in 2021 when the
draft master plan update is approved for release.
A copy of the draft will be available,
will be made available electronically for review
and comment in advance
of the city's public hearing. Thank you.
Thank you. And I need a motion to receive and file.
So moved. Mr. Chairman support Maury.
There's a motion by Commissioner Ddue.
Support by Commissioner Moy. All in favor? Aye. Aye.
Any opposed? I'd like to recognize, uh, our ex-official, uh,
Councilman Newman Newman.
I hadn't seen him come in, but glad you made it, sir.
Item number eight, old business.
A site plan for new parking lot.
Located on the southwest corner
of Van D**e Avenue and Tofa Road.
2 1 6 4 7 Van D**e Avenue, section 33.
Charles d Winter, uh, Valentino Hall Wata
PSP 2 3 0 0 1 8.
Approved on July 10th, 2023.
Petitioner is requesting a one year extension
to July 10th, 2026. Thank you.
Is the petitioner having to be here this evening?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Uh, my name is Valentino Alta.
I'm the one for Van D**e for 2 1 6 4 7.
Um, I'm just asking for a one year extension
to get the easement vacated.
Um, just to get that done, I've hired an attorney
to help me vacate the easement, um, to circuit court.
I just have to find out who owns the, an easement.
That was my problem at the time.
So she's gonna come in and actually help me do that part.
So once that gets approved,
she can find out if it's owned, who, who owns it.
And if it's somebody that's still around that owns it,
I can send them a letter
and maybe get it just vacated that way.
And if not, I have to write a, uh, make a complaint
through the circuit court and send it
to about 150 feet from the building
so they can get all that approved and done.
Um, but that's really about it.
Um, and I'll be, when that's set
and done, I can start on the site plan.
That seems like you've got a lot to do.
You'll be able to do that in one year.
Um, I'm gonna try my hardest.
Uh, I'm gonna try my hardest. Alright,
Sir. Thank you.
Thank
You. Uh,
I need, I need a motion.
So moved. Mr. Chairman. Second.
There's a motion by Mr.
Dse, supportment Comm Commissioner Hollow to
allow a one year extension to July 10th, 2026. Roll call.
Commissioner dse. Yes. Commissioner Halaba. Yes.
Commissioner Anza? Yes. Commissioner Chari? Yes.
Commissioner Mauri Botes. Commissioner Beki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To Grant the one year extension.
Good luck with your project, sir. Have a good evening.
I, number nine, bond release.
Item number nine, site plan
for new building located on the north side of 10 Road,
approximately 537 feet west of Shana Road.
1 3 3 4 3 10 mile road.
Section 23 Cardo Plaza, llc,
forward slash cardo Russia, uh, Steven Cal bar
slash colebrook design PSP
1 9 0 0 2 0 approved on June seven.
June 17th, 2019 Shorty Bond posted in the amount
of $36,000 project complete. Release the bond.
Need a motion to release the bond.
Motion commission. Go ahead. Go ahead.
I make a motion to release the bond
support. Commissioner Childry.
There's a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner c Childry.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Aye.
I didn't put my aye in there. Item number 10. New business.
Seeing none. I Item number 11, citizen participation.
Does anyone like to come up
and speak on any matter you have nature to name
and address, you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none. Item number 12. Planning commission business.
12 a planning directors report.
Okay. Well thank you, uh, Mr. Chair.
Um, I'll start right off with, there isn't much to
the planning director's report
because I had a couple weeks off.
So, uh, the only thing, the only item
that really stands out is, um, back on,
uh, June 17th, uh, attended a Zoom meeting
with an EV group, uh, who want to, um, construct,
uh, uh, canopy EV stations, uh,
at Myers behind their, uh,
Myers gas station.
But it's not Myers, it's the CV group that,
uh, was proposing it.
And it's also General Motors who's giving
it a big push also.
So, uh, we're still working on that.
It should come for site plan approval.
Michelle, did they finely provide the last
piece of information?
Okay. They, it's been like pulling teeth.
It's needless to say, uh, to get the right, uh,
get things correct so that we can bring it to you to this,
uh, uh, meeting.
Um, so with that said,
I've got something different here.
You saw me bring up a file
and uh, we received a call from, uh,
ex officio Nunan.
And I forget your name, man. La Ada.
That's, that's right.
Anyway, um, just have a seat right here for now.
Alright. And this, this all has to do with the,
uh, community center that was approved in
Ryan, can you speak a little louder please? Yeah, I'm, we
Can't hear you. I'm gonna move over here where
I should be.
Uh, with the community center that we approved, uh, in,
I think it was the 28th of, uh, April.
All right. And, uh,
this site is located on 13 Mile Road, uh,
across from the Bavarian, uh, it used
to be called the Bavarian Retail Strip.
Um, it's community center.
It's a reli gonna be a religious center, that type of thing.
Anyway, we went through site plan approval with them.
We, uh, the planning commission approved them.
And there was discussion on this site plan here
about the forest that's on their property.
And they needed to have green belts
or walls.
That's the same old, uh, type of thing we were talking about
in the other, uh, uh, site plan proposal,
setbacks and green belts
in this particular plan.
Here it is. And you approved it.
They've got a big parking lot that they're gonna put in.
So they're gonna need a green belt
or a wall where the parking lot goes.
Hardly see it back there, but here and here
and then back here and here where the wood sat.
We said keep the woods
and, uh, and then build,
uh, a green belt.
I'm sorry. Uh, it's called a modified green belt in the back
using that wooded area.
So they got approval. That's what, uh, you expected.
That's what we all expected to happen.
Only it, uh, hasn't happened quite that way.
They have, they do not have a, an approved site plan yet.
They didn't, uh, go
and have their architect finish it yet.
They did significant work out there.
And the work that they've done was reported to me by Ms.
Lafata and the ex-officio nunan here.
And they were concerned about the wooded area and,
and what, what was going on.
And this was last Friday.
And, and the way I heard it, people were somewhat in a panic
about how much was being cut down of the wooded area.
And so just
before I took lunch, I said, okay,
I'll take a little run out there and take a look.
And I pulled up into the driveway
and um, like I tell people I'm a tree guy
and what I saw was a horrible mess
of downed trees.
They cut all the trees down
And um, and we went out there because of the complaints.
And if, if you would, I, I'd like you
to allow Mrs.
LoDo to, to speak on this.
'cause she lives right behind there. I think it's behind.
Is that right behind it? Yes.
And uh, she's the one who reported it.
There were others who were reporting it.
And it's possible that these people
actually cut some trees on some of the abutting properties.
'cause they didn't know where the property lines are,
but they just made some assumptions.
So I got a pro. So that's our problem.
She needs to speak on this to let you know
how she feels just as a citizen, if you don't mind.
And, uh, ex-official newnan, uh, has pictures
and you've got some things you wanna say too.
Suspend the rules, right? Yes, not yet.
I know. We need to get a motion to suspend the rules
to allow the lady come up and show with, uh, and,
and then we'll then
We'll move forward because, uh, I've got some ideas about
what we have to do to notify these petitioners
that you're not supposed to do that.
So I need a motion to spin the rules to allow
for more information on this property. I'll
Make a motion to suspend the rules. Mr. Chair.
Second. I second a motion.
That was a motion by Commissioner Duhe,
supported by Commissioner Hollow.
Wadi.
No. Um, ma'am. All in favor. Just take a, oh, all in favor?
Aye. Any opposed? Sorry about that.
Ma'am, would you like to come up
and present your evidence up there?
Speak right into The microphone. Hard time hearing.
Hi, my name is Roseanne
and I'm on the board for the condominiums that, um,
are on the south side of that development.
It's my understanding they were gonna take out six trees.
They took out all the woods, everything
displaced, all the animals I had asked them,
they went beyond the property.
You can see all the trees that were on their property.
Clear up, all out.
It was my understanding, it was for four 40 parking spots.
And the reason I didn't come the first meeting is
because I thought it was just for that little house.
I didn't realize it was a whole acre behind
that they were gonna totally clear out.
There was deers in there when they were taking down the
trees and they just kept removing the trees
and they went beyond the property line.
When I went out there today, there was a couple other, um,
red ties in different spots.
So I don't know if somebody else went out there,
but they went totally beyond the property line.
Totally cleared it out.
I don't know what can be. That
is what it looked like before.
Anything else you want to add, ma'am?
I went by there today myself.
And, uh, I looked at it and I was, I was shocked.
Yeah, it's totally, the, the purpose of the green belt
with the woods and stuff was
to shield you from your houses from what was going on there.
And it was a nice green belt.
It had a lot of nice trees and everything.
You couldn't even see your places over there.
And now it's all wide open.
They just went through. It's very
Sad. Cut all
the trees down. Totally gone.
And these weren't small trees. These were, these
Were Trees ized adult trees that had been there
For a long time and they just totally destroyed them all.
Yeah.
Okay. Uh, Councilman Nunan, did you want
to comment on any of this?
Yes. Well, when, um, Roseanne, uh, contacted me,
she said that she was, they were still,
they were bus still busy busting down the trees.
They, she wanted them
to at least preserve trees along the tree line.
And we started thinking about, well,
what could they do to make this better?
They could, um, if they're gonna put up a wall,
maybe they could put up, uh, uh, trees along there.
Um, what was your suggestion, please? I,
I think they were gonna put it speak good on the way.
My understanding was that they were gonna put trees all,
you know, put plant, no, uh, adult trees back in there.
Like a green belt. Yeah, like a green belt.
'cause now when I look out, like when I'm at my bedroom,
second floor, when I look out, I see nothing.
I see the, the hall across the street
and it is, the light is so bright.
That's what I see instead of all those beautiful trees.
So that's what I would like them
to do is put more trees in there
to at least replace some of them.
I think at this point we should, uh, turn it back over to
Yeah. But turn back over to
Mr. Murray.
He's got some good ideas As to what to do. Mr.
Wth, you wanna come up and speak on this? Thank you.
Thank you, ma'am. For your time
and your, everything going on.
Those are the picture Commissioner chair.
Yeah. Point of specification. Where exactly is,
Yeah, it's on Chicago Road, right behind the low's.
You got the, the big, uh, banquet hall
and it's the lar little house
right across the street from that
Lar little, it's a little, Little green house.
Yeah, that's what I figured. And like I said,
you had a driveway, dirt driveway where you go up in there
and had all these trees in the back
and they were supposed to take some of 'em out
for parking area
and leave the rest for the green, you know, green belt.
And I went over there and they were all cut.
I mean, some of 'em were this big
around, they, they cut down.
That's crazy. What was the approval for? Huh?
What was the approval for?
Yeah,
no, uh, Mr.
Worth. You wanna go ahead please.
You want me to continue? Okay.
You wanna comment on what's
Well, yeah. All right. So
you heard from the citizen.
You heard from, uh, uh, the councilman.
Uh, he's trying to help her,
but now it comes down to what, what do we do?
Uh, frankly, they did, they have not yet, uh, given us, uh,
a complete site plan.
Not sure why. Uh, they, they should have.
They, they have two years,
but they never should have cut these trees.
They should have, if they wanted to cut all the trees,
then talked to us.
And they didn't. They didn't.
They, you know, the planning commission gave 'em approval,
thought it was gonna work out just fine.
And of course, here's the result
they should have asked us and they didn't.
So I really, in, in,
in some ways it's, it's almost, they have
to be called back here so that, uh, we can make sure of
what kind of green belt that can be put up there.
I mean, it's ridiculous that they cut down half the,
half the green belt to begin with.
No thought process. I don't know
who was telling these people what to do,
but I'd, I'd like to talk to 'em in my office.
Not here, But frankly, uh,
they should double up on their green belts that they cut,
cut down, and, uh, I think they have to, they're gonna have
to build walls along the parking lot, you know,
they cut 'em all down.
I wonder if they thought that they were gonna expand their
parking lot from what they got approved on.
They could have, but they didn't seem to need
that much at this time.
I don't know. I, I'm not even gonna go any farther
to what they were thinking.
It's not, it's not worth discussion.
But what is worth discussion is, uh, talking to them, uh,
By, uh, the administration, the mayor's on this,
uh, public service.
We need to get, uh, planning, zoning, building
the attorney's office involved on how we can, um,
uh, go after these people.
I guess I'll just put it that way.
And I, I stopped in
and talked to, uh, Chuck from engineering
and, uh, he initially said that they, um,
did not have to do as much as they normally would do, uh,
with the land disturbance,
because they were disturbing about half of it.
And in this case, I told him what happened.
I said, go ahead and take a look at it, Chuck.
And he said, I don't have to, if you told me what it was,
that that's what it is.
And, uh, now they're gonna have to do more
regarding land disturbance, uh, with the county.
They had no idea what they were getting themselves into,
but they could have talked to us.
And this just doesn't happen enough.
So I guess I want permission to move forward with this, uh,
to contact the, uh, our different, uh, departments
and divisions have a round table discussion, especially
through zoning and, uh, go after them.
They're not in compliance with their zoning, with their, uh,
uh, site plan right now.
That's the other issue. So we've got two things,
non-compliance, uh, the land disturbance,
and, um, I think there are other things once we put our
heads together, uh, to, uh, discuss with these people
and then bring them in to City Hall,
and then we'll, we'll talk about what they can do
to rectify this problem.
And, excuse me, they should be embarrassed. I don't know.
Anyway, that's what I'd like
to do is get permission from the Planning Commission to, uh,
put together a letter, uh, uh, to the administration
and to them, uh, regarding, uh, what has happened.
I need a motion to approve Mr.
Wirth moving forward on this to see if he can correct this
Commission chair. Make a
motion for Mr.
Wirth to definitely move forward,
because this should have never happened, in my opinion.
No
Support. Commissioner
Childry
Has a motion by Commissioner Hollow,
Wadi supported by comm, Ms.
C Childry. All in favor. A Aye, aye. Any opposed? Mr. Wirth?
One quick question. Um,
being they didn't follow the site plan, does
that null make the site plan null and void?
So they shouldn't be doing any more work over there
until this gets corrected.
It's not, it's not null and void,
but it's a matter of they gotta amend it, uh, to, uh,
after we've had that discussion with the city, uh,
departments and, uh, divisions on what, how we want them
to amend it, I've got a pretty good idea
about what they need to do.
But, uh, um, there will be other thought process
that we want to hear also.
Mr. Chairman? Yes.
Uh, Ron, uh, have they
posted a bond on all this?
No. Not I can look quick,
but I, I thought I had looked
and No, no,
they've not done anything, uh, as yet.
Well, no Bond. Uh, no.
I, I think a real good bond number would be pretty good.
It's possible. No, it's,
That's, I, I hear you.
I can, uh, I'll make a note of that idea.
Uh, anyone else has some ideas? Mr.
Chair, you can contact me, uh, at the planning department
and, uh, we'll see what happens.
Well, I'll report to you on the results.
Thank you, sir. Appreciate everybody's,
uh, participation in this matter.
Thank you very much. Uh,
Can I say something?
I'm number 12 b
Uh, Mr. Chair?
Yes. Make another comment. Oh,
You, Mike, Come on.
Well, when I, when I watched the meeting from April,
it said that they wanted to put graphs out there
so people could go pray
or, you know what I mean, out in the nature and stuff.
And I thought, why did you take down all these trees?
These, and they even went past their, their, their, um,
the property line, taking out trees.
And when I asked the gentleman about it
that was working out there, he goes, oh, no, we didn't.
That's, that's, I said, no, this, this,
you tied something on this tree.
And they kinda looked around
and I think they were like, oh my gosh,
we did do something here.
And they were thinking, how do we fix this?
Alright, well I think we're gonna work out something
that we can do to fix it,
but we appreciate everything you've given us.
Yeah. It was just like, I just couldn't believe it.
It's like devastation for all
the people that have to look at it. Alright.
Thank you ma'am. Thank you so much. Have a
Good Evening. Thank
you. I am number 12 B, planning, commission,
discussion and concerns
Chair. Um,
can I give the, I have a quick, uh,
note about the upcoming planning commission.
Um, sorry. Planning. Oh, I'm sorry.
Michigan Planning Conference.
Um, so the officers have a, um, a sheet up there by their
stations that have information about the upcoming, uh,
Michigan, um, planning conference that is going
to be in Kalamazoo October 22nd to 24th.
So it has on there the different rates.
So this year they have three different timeframes of rates.
So what we're asking is that, um,
to think about it sooner than later if you're interested, so
that everyone who's interested lets us know
or submits the, the form
before the early bird time is over, which is, um,
so the regular registration rate begins on September 12th.
So prior to that, letting us know who's going to attend
and submit the auth travel authorization form.
So it's done earlier.
Um, so that's all we're asking,
but this, it's so early that the agenda's not even up,
but just want to let you know about it when it's
happening, so you know, earlier.
All right. If you have any questions, let me know.
Thanks, Michelle. You're welcome.
I, I didn't really kind of forget. I That's okay.
I knew you wanted to talk about it.
Oh, that's okay. Thank you. You're welcome.
Alright, anything else before we move on? Okay.
No planning, planning, planning,
commission, discussion concerns?
None. No. Anyone. Okay. Mr.
Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to adjourn.
No, we got calendar pending matters.
Oh, well now I'm gonna extend it another 10 minutes.
Okay. Calendar pending matters.
Seeing none now you make motion. I still make I 14.
Motion to adjourn. I second that motion. All in favor? Aye.
Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Have a good evening everyone.
I'll talk next week.