Good evening.
Welcome to the City of War
and Planning Commission meeting November 3rd.
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of the United States of America,
and to the republic, which it stands.
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with liberty and justice Brawl.
Roll call. Commissioner Anza Present.
Commissioner Zay Present, commissioner Hollow Present.
Commissioner Hawk present.
Commissioner Chaudry present, commissioner Maurice Present,
commissioner Beke present, commissioner Smith.
Present, we have a quorum approval of the agenda.
Item number four, chair. I make a motion to
Approve our agenda.
Commissioner Hallie,
Support Commissioner c Childry
Has a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
support by Commissioner Childry.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? I five.
Approval of the minutes of October 20th, 2025.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve the minutes
of October 20th, 2025
Support Commissioner c Childry
As the motion by Commissioner Doe, supported
by Commissioner Chowdry.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Um, trying to see. Okay.
Okay. Public hearing items Item number six a
Item number six, a request for rezoning
with conditions located on the northeast corner
of Quida Road
and John B Avenue, approximately
685.2 feet north
of eight Mile Road from the present zoning classification
of C one.
Local district business, local business district R one P
one, family residential and parking district
and P parking district two C3.
Wholesale and intensive business district 2 0 9 0 0
and 2 0 8 9 8 DDA Road, section 31,
Nabil Castow and Noel Property.
LLC Samuel Erno slash Dender Plaza.
Lll c PR R 2 5 0 0 0 2.
Postponed from October 20th, 2025. Thank you.
Thank you. Is petitioner here?
Yes. Can you come up please? The mic.
Tell us what's going, what you trying to propose.
Uh, hello Commissioners. Uh, my name's Rob Crock Mall.
I'm with Quida Plaza, um,
2 0 9 0 0 Quida Road in Warren.
And would you like us to explain, uh,
more about what's going on?
Okay. Um, well first of all, thank you for, um, allowing us
to come and, uh, present to you.
Uh, we were here a couple of weeks ago, uh,
with the first presentation
and we've worked very diligently since, um,
on various, uh, conditions.
Uh, we've owned this site for, uh, a good 40 or 50 years.
Um, and we have, um, looked to, uh,
operate it as best as we could
and in marketing the property to try to find its next, uh,
buyer for the property.
Um, we have had a lot of difficulty, uh,
finding the proper buyer for this location.
Uh, of the property has three different zoning
classifications to it, which has made it very difficult, uh,
to lease out some of the spaces.
Uh, it's been very difficult to market it to the next buyer
because of its own classifications, uh,
that were read before.
Uh, we were finally introduced to, uh, Nabeel Keto here.
Uh, a great young entrepreneur
that has his business in the city of Warren, uh,
actually right behind this site, uh, looking
to grow his business, looking
to hire more people, uh, in the area.
And, uh, we felt that, uh, the uses that he was going
to bring to this site
and the investment he was going to put into the site, uh,
in terms of the improvements, um, would be harmonious
with the area and would improve, uh, this area in Warren.
Uh, in order to do that, uh, we needed
to get the site rezoned that would allow him
to operate his owner occupied business at the site.
Um, and also hopefully bring future, uh, you know,
uses to the site as well
by having one zoning classification.
Um, so that led us to applying for rezoning
to a classification that would work for, uh, Nabeel's
business, uh, as well as attracting, uh, other retailers,
uh, and other uses to come to the site over time
while doing the improvements to the site.
Um, we work diligently with the city attorney, uh,
on conditions that the city would like
to see happen at this site, uh,
including improving the landscaping that separates, uh,
both the property
and the residential
that's across the street on John B Avenue, um,
to make it a very attractive site, uh, to be with
and again, making it very harmonious, uh, with that site.
Um, by keeping, uh, noise down, odors down.
Uh, also limiting the uses, uh, that would go,
uh, at the site.
Um, we worked on things that Ron Wirth had mentioned
and the planning, uh, department had mentioned in terms
of not having auto repair, um, driving movies,
uh, marijuana related businesses and things of that nature.
So we have worked on an agreement, uh, with the city, uh,
to propose that would make sure that even those rezoning it
to a C3 zoning classification
that we wouldn't have those uses at this site.
Uh, if the site were to transact
and we were able to sell the site, uh, to Nabeel,
we're very excited to move forward, um, in selling the site
to somebody who's really going to take this, uh,
and improve it and have their business there
and make it harmonious with the master plan
and with what the city is looking
for in this area of Warren.
Um, and we're here to answer any questions that you have.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence.
Seeing none. Thank you.
Okay. Plain Department's recommendation.
The following recommendation is made
regarding the rezoning with conditions request
for the property in question.
As described above, it's recommended that the rezoning
with conditions request from C one local business district,
R one P one, family residential and parking district
and p parking district to C3 wholesale
and intensive business district be approved with conditions.
The petitioner has submitted a rezoning
with conditions application in the letter of intent,
the petitioner has stated the following, as part of this,
um, rezoning request,
the applicant is voluntarily offering the conditions, um,
for a rezoning and a rezoning agreement.
Number two, the future land use map in the 2021 master plan
indicates the property as a redevelopment.
Site planning.
Staff believes this category suits this site well
as the site is currently vacant
and would benefit from the redevelopment
as the petitioner proposes.
Number three, the proposed use will potentially be able
to be constructed in a way harmonious
with the almost 1000 feet of frontage
with residential dwellings along the
south side of John B Avenue.
Number four, the concept plan is a visual representation of
what will be in the redevelopment document.
Provide 15 additional copies of the revised concept plan
and surveys to be forwarded to city council.
Number five, the petitioner should be apprised of the fact
that formal site plan approval
before the planning commission is required prior
to obtaining a building permit.
Should the City Council grant the rezoning request And this
ends the recommendation.
Thanks madam. Ms. Michelle, welcome.
This is a public hearing.
Anybody would like to speak on this item. Please come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing, see none will turn over to commission.
Mr. Chairman, I'd like a mo, uh, to make a motion
that we approve the request
for rezoning with conditions.
Um, further recommendation of staff.
Thank You. Support. Support
by an answer Commissioner. An sir
Has a motion by Commissioner Duhe.
Support Commissioner Ansar.
Any discussion? Commissioner Chair?
I have a for the petitioner, can you step forward?
Thank you gentleman. Thank you.
Uh, for the gentleman
that you said he was bringing a business in, you found,
what type of business is it gonna be in? It
Is a distribution.
Yes. I didn't quite catch his name.
Distribution. I'm sorry. Distribution.
What do you mean? Like dis distribution of what?
Uh, we supply, uh, grocery stores, uh, gas stations, uh,
all the convenience stores.
It's all it snacks and sodas and things of
That nature. So it's
not a retail then?
No, not retail. Okay.
And back to the original, you said you've got it,
has it been rezoned already?
The property? Yes. It has not been rezoned yet, no.
Okay. I did quite catch that. I apologize. Got it. Okay.
Chair, I yield the floor. Any other discussion?
Yes. Um, Mr. Chairman, if I,
if I may just one quick comment.
Uh, this is going to C3, which is intensive use.
Uh, personally, I think
that's a great idea that you're gonna redevelop the site
and, and make it better for the neighborhood,
the neighbors and everything.
But I don't wanna see a used car lot
that's not either near there or any place else. No.
So in the agreement that we've, uh, put together
with the city, uh, we would not be allowed to use that
to have that type of use at the
Property. Well then I'm
very happy to hear that.
We don't have the specifics of that,
but I'm, I had to bring it up
because I've, I've had it
with all the used car lots up and down the pike.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank
You, Mr. Chair. Mary,
Go ahead.
Uh, first of all, I wanna thank you
because this location, you, um, uh,
we needed something like this to redevelop it
and thank you for, uh, taking this initiative.
And also, I have a specific question.
What type of, uh, product you are going to distribute?
It's gonna be fresh fruit or
It's gonna be, I, I do is like snack?
I'm sorry, snack, uh, pop juice.
Uh, exotic candy.
Like, uh, some, like a,
I don't know if you know about exotic candy is like
some candy, like bring it from different countries.
Okay. Different, different taste candies and all that stuff.
Okay. So there's Some, the people that want, there
Will be no grocery stuff.
There will be no fresh fruit or fresh food.
It'll be all those, you know, packet product?
No, everything packaged. Everything packaged.
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
This was my question? Yes, Mr. Chair.
Okay, go ahead Mr. Okay,
So there is a existing building already there.
So are we going to utilize those building
Which the existing one is gonna, yes,
I know the plan too. Uh,
the, the intent is to reuse the existing buildings, uh,
except for if you, uh, see what's on the screen.
Um, looking to redevelop the building
that's in yellow there.
There's a building there right now,
but it's collapsing, you know, it's water damaged
and it's uh, it's, it's in terrible shape.
So we're gonna take tour of that down and,
and just basically replace it.
Yeah, it used to be. There is, uh, there is a,
it is called the Phil Market or something. Yeah.
Uh, there still is the Trade Center.
Trade Center, Yeah. Uh, and the plan,
Are they, are they still operating or
No? They are, yes. Are
they Friday, Saturday and Sunday?
'cause I don't see any activities like
before, so I thought it's closed.
Yeah, but it's still running, right?
It they're still operating. It
Is, yes. Okay,
Good.
Yeah, it's a, it is a huge, huge property.
So are you guys okay?
Uh, like, uh, do you have enough time to finish the
reshaping everything?
Yeah. Good.
If we were ready to rezone
and then hopefully move on to a site plan, approval process
and building permit process. Okay.
Thank you. Thank You.
Anyone else like to speak? Good, good evening, sir.
Uh, you mentioned that the trade center is still going
to be operating out of there
As now. Yeah,
Because I noticed when I was there and looked at the site
before the last meeting,
they had a big flea market out there and they had tables
and cars and the whole parking lot was full.
And, uh, that's why I was wondering if
that was still gonna be part of that.
'cause you said the trade center is still operating,
so I don't know if that's gonna continue or not.
Well, we, the site hasn't sold yet,
so we are still the owners
and still operating, uh, the trade center.
Alright. Until it's rezoned.
Uh, you know, we can't sell the property until it's rezoned.
Alright. Thank you. Um, Mr.
Chair, My attorney. Go ahead.
Thank you for the information of the commission.
When this adv advance, when the agreement advances
to city council, there will be a,
just a few nuances worked out in the boilerplate.
I believe the owner and the developer wanted some changes.
It really affect them more than the city,
but I just want the commission
to know there may be some boilerplate changes
in the final agreement.
Thank you. Okay.
That was a motion by Commissioner Duse work
by Commissioner Ansar. Roll call
Commissioner dse.
Yes. Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow. Yes.
Commissioner Hoag?
Yes. Commissioner Ery? Yes. Commissioner Ma votes? Yes.
Commissioner Bernanke? Yes. Commissioner Smith? Yes.
To approve. Good luck gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you.
Have a good evening. Thank you. Thank you.
Thanks for, uh, coming back so fast
to taking care of it.
We appreciate it. And thank you to the city attorney
as well for her diligence.
Thank you. Item number six B,
Item number six B site plan for Golden wheat facility,
expansion of parking lot and open storage of paper products
and outdoor furniture in shipping and containers.
Located on the southwest corner of Nine Mile Road
and Nagel Street and between Globe Avenue and Nagel Street.
1 2 0 0 0 9 Mile Road and 2 2 9 1 2
and 2 2 9 2 0 Globe Avenue, section 35.
Matt Keno and Brown Crunch, LLC, Jason Emery
and Seaver.
Lina Inc. PSP 2 5 3 9. Thank you.
Good evening. Is petitioner here this evening?
Honor is here. Can you come up to the mic
and tell us a little bit about your project?
Good evening.
So my name is Matt Neil.
I'm the owner of Brown Crunch
and owner of Golden Wheat, which is the adjacent business
of, uh, this property.
So our intent to, uh, expand our parking lot.
This is actually the one you see is the existing parking
lot, our business and just beyond.
This van was parked, uh, uh, facing gas.
This one behind it is the two properties used
to be two residential in the past.
So we demo demolished them a few years ago.
And we want to put, uh,
a big parking lot over there, over there.
And there's some, this, this container,
the one is sitting on the grass.
Now we gonna move it to the side
and we gonna do it just all cemented parking lot
with new trees and grass and, and fence the whole thing.
And I'll be happy to answer any questions.
Thank you, sir. Any correspondence? Yes.
Correspondence. Taxes, current engineering
preliminary review of this site indicates
that planning commission approval should be contingent upon
the petitioner's compliance with the following conditions.
Number one, the proposed commercial drive approach shall
meet this current city of Warren standards.
Number two, all parking areas must have a durable hard
surface and be completely bordered by a six inch curb.
And gutter. Three, the width
of the proposed accessible parking spaces must meet current
a DA requirements Number four
lot combination should be required confirming
to the site plan water.
The water division has a sanitary sewer main
and a storm sewer main
that runs in the easement behind this building.
We would like to make sure that we would still have access
to maintain those utilities in the future.
At t at and t has facilities in the area,
but they should not be affected.
We do not object to the proposal.
Please have the petitioner contact me if
there are any issues.
Comcast, in response to your utility request for the
above project, please refer to the task map for the location
of Comcast CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
ccc utility request@teamsigma.com.
M-C-P-W-O,
the Macomb County Public Works office MCPW has reviewed the
site plan for the project reference above
and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less
than one acre and will not require storm
water review from this office.
If no objection letter is required,
please forward your request
to Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org. Thank you.
Thanks. Mad Secretary.
Planning Department's recommendation,
It is recommended that the site plan for parking lot new
and new driveway to Globe Avenue open storage of containers
for golden wheat be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plans must be
submitted indicating the following.
One, a one
of the accessible parking spaces shall be van size
per a DA requirements.
Update the dimensions for the accessible parking spaces
and access aisle on the site plan.
One B. All parking areas must have a durable hard surface
and B, completely bordered by a six six inch curb.
And gutter one c provide greater detail of the use
of the property on the site.
Data chart 1D labeled the existing access doors
and overhead doors on the site plan
one E indicate the height of the open storage.
One F Planning staff believes that instead
of the opaque material indicated along the existing fence,
Silas weaved into the chain link fence could offer a more
aesthetically pleasing screening based on other projects.
The tire tarp or fabric screens are likely to tear
and become unsightly one g per a field check of the site,
it appears that there is additional storage
beyond the four storage containers.
It also appears that there are several work vehicles
and other equipment and items under the canopy that needs
to be identified on the site plan.
One HA note shall be
provided on the plan where globe, I'm sorry, a note shall be
provided on the plan where Globe Avenue exists stating both
driveways shall be removed
and replaced with straight street curbing
and landscaping materials.
One, I provide two service berry
or two Eastern red bud trees between the sidewalk
and street curb along nine mile road.
One JA note shall be added to the site plan
that the existing trash enclosure shall be
provided with screen gates.
One k per a field check of the site.
Two dumpsters were observed if multiple dumpsters are to be
provided on the site and additional trash
enclosure may be necessary.
Number two, the three parcels identified
as 13 dash 35 dash zero two dash 0 2 8
and and 13 dash 35 dash zero two dash
0 2 5 and 0 2 6
must be combined into one parent parcel.
An application must be submitted
to the planning department requesting
the approval of the combination.
And number three, although the City
of Warren assessing records currently includes the half
vacated alley as part of the, the legal description
for parcel 13 dash 35 dash
zero five dash 2028,
the certified survey based on the title search
provided by the petitioner, does not indicate this portion
of the alley is vacated based on past records.
The process was not completed at the time
of the city's approval in 1999, such
as finalizing the process through Circuit Court
during the process of completing the
vacation of the current process.
And that's, uh, a vacation process that's currently underway
and that number is PEV 2 1 0 0 0 1
through the Michigan statute.
The entire 20 foot wide alley the east, this east west alley
between Globe Avenue
and Nagel Street shall complete the vacation process.
So at the end of the process, it can be combined
with the petitioner's properties under
one single parcel number.
And number four, a performance bond in the amount
of $3,000 be posted according to the estimated cost
of a hundred thousand dollars by the petitioner.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thank you Ms. Michelle. You're welcome.
This is a public hearing. If anyone would like
to speak on this item, please come up, state your name
and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none. Before I turn over to commissioner, I'd like
to recognize our ex of official Councilman Newman Newnan.
Right here in the middle. Yeah. Oh, he is hiding.
Good evening, councilman.
Alright, uh, turn over to the commission
Chair. Make a
motion to approve a discussion.
Comm Commissioner Awadi,
I supported, say, say
As a motion by Commissioner Ade supported
by Commissioner Hawk discussion.
Okay. To the petitioner, can you please step forward? Yes.
Good evening, sir. Good evening. Okay.
You heard all the recommendations as given
by our planning department.
Uh, do you have any questions
or problems with any of them? No,
They're all, I'm already aware of all of them, so
You'll have No, no problem.
No problem. No problem, no problem.
And even the vacating value is already in
process in, in the law firm.
Yeah. Yeah.
Thank you Chair. I yield the floor.
Thank you. Any other discussion? Yes, Mr.
Chair? Yes. Commissioner? There were two buildings.
You said the residential houses there before?
Used to be about, used To be
Like six years ago, seven years ago.
Okay, so it's already changed the zoning, right? Or
There it's the whole area is zoning commercial over there.
Even, even, even there is houses. It's zoning commercial.
Oh yeah. Before demolished the houses
Before. Before that.
Okay. Yeah.
Good. Okay. Thank You. You're welcome.
Anyone else like to speak on this
item? Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Um,
I didn't know it was called golden wheat until I saw the,
uh, information, how they come up
with the golden wheat name.
Oh, I just like, I make breads
and pastries, so I like, you know how, you know, when we,
when we, when we collect the wheat, how it's golden.
Right. Okay. So I just named it Golden wheat. All
Right. Good enough. I just
wanna make sure. Yeah.
Thank you. Alright.
That was a motion by Commissioner Haldi,
supported by Commissioner Hawk. Roll call.
Commissioner Haldi. Yes. Commissioner Hawk. Yes.
Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Ddue? Yes.
Commissioner Ery? Yes. Commissioner Mauri Bot. Yes.
Commissioner Berke? Yes. Commissioner Smith? Yes,
The approved. Good luck with
your project, sir. Thank you very much.
Have a good evening. You too. Item number
Correspondence.
Seven correspondence. Having we seeing none.
Item number eight, old business
Item number eight, minor amendment
for EV charging stations.
An outdoor patio area
and a con, uh, containerized substation.
Um, located on the southeast corner area of
13 Mile and Mount Roads.
General Motor Global Tech Center, 3 0 5 0 2.
William Durant Boulevard, 3 0 4 7 0.
Hurley Earl Road, section nine.
Mike Mc, bride and General Motors.
Jackson Harris, Jason Harris,
general Motors PMA 2 5 0 0 1 1. Thank you.
Good evening. You wanna
tell us a little bit about your project? Yeah.
Good evening, chairman and commissioners.
My name's Jason Harris, senior de Design manager
with General Motors 2 9 4 2 7.
Lewis Chevrolet Boulevard. Warren Michigan 4 8 0 9 3.
Uh, here tonight with me is, uh,
Claire Jagonal with Smith Group.
Jj, or sorry, Smith Group.
Uh, they're our design firm that's supporting us with this.
I did bring a couple extra exhibits if it would help, uh,
explain the project a little bit more.
But as you know, we are, um,
introducing a lot more EVs into our portfolio with a lot of,
uh, our employees and visitors driving those vehicles now.
So one thing that we have been focusing on is bringing
workplace charging as an amenity to the campus with the,
the volume of, um, employees
and visitors that come on a daily basis.
So, uh, in this, uh, site plan here north is to the left.
We have an existing parking lot
that's centralized on campus, uh, close distribution
to electrical power.
And we're reconfiguring the north end of this parking lot
to allow for a fast charging hub.
Uh, these would be your traditional DC fast chargers
that would allow for vehicle charging in 20 to 40 minutes,
depending on, you know, uh, range
and the size of the vehicles.
Um, so in, in this configuration we got about 20 spaces
that would be accommodated.
The, uh, container that is referenced is
for the electrical transformer, uh, for the amount
of power that's needed here.
And then the patio areas just envisioned as a space
for people to get outta their vehicles
and just wait as, uh, as they're waiting for their charge.
Uh, this is just a perspective view of what, uh,
we envision that to look like.
Um, I do know we had one item on the, uh,
planning commission, uh, letter that we did want to discuss,
but, um, in the meantime we can pause
if there's any other questions.
Thank you, sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes,
current engineering preliminary review
of this site indicates no difficulty in development water.
The water division finds no reason
that GM Tech Center can't move forward with their project.
D-T-E-D-T-E Electric Company has received
and reviewed the minor amendment for EV charging stations,
an outdoor patio area, and a containerized substation.
DTE electric company has no objection to the minor amendment
for EV charging station and outdoor patio area
and a contra containerized substation impacting
3 0 5 0 2 William Durant,
3 0 4 7 0 Hurley Earl Road,
section nine per the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at
5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
MCPW.
The Macomb County Public Works office has reviewed the site
plan for the project reference above
and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less
than one acre and will not require a storm water
review from this office.
If no objection letter is required,
please forward your request
to Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org. Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary Planning Depart
Department's recommendation
Is recommended that the site plan for a minor amendment
for EV charging stations, an outdoor patio area
and a containerized substation located in the southeast
corner area of 13 mile
and mile roads within the General Motors Global Tech Center,
be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised overall overall site plans.
That's CS o
or zero dash 0 0 1 shall be submitted
indicating the following.
One A, the overall site plan indicates 0.96 acres
of site disturbance will occur with this project.
The shaded area on the overall site plan indicates a larger
project area, approximately four acres.
Update the project site with dimensions
that indicates the actual project area
and limits of disturbance one B.
Provide the dimension between the mound road property line
and the limits of the project site.
Number two, five copies of revised enlarged site plans.
That's LP one dash 0 0 1 shall be
submitted indicating the following.
Two A, add the dimensions
for the project site on the enlarged site plan.
Include the total square footage of the project two B,
add the dimensions for the containerized
substation on the enlarged site.
Plan C, add the dimensions
for the patio on the enlarged site.
Plan D, update the lighting note on the enlarged site plan
as follows, all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroach upon abiding properties.
The light fixtures pole
and base shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture to the bottom
of the basic ground level.
All glares shall be eliminated from all light fixtures.
Upward directed light lighting shall not be permitted.
Number three, the overall site plan
and the enlarged site plan for the proposed
EBDC fast charging hub shall be designated as the plans
and used in conjunction as the site plan.
A per number four performance bond in the amount
of $36,000 shall be posted according to the estimated cost
of $1.2 million by the petitioner.
Um, and this ends the recommendation, however,
before the meeting we were discussing the one note
and that's, um, 2D regarding the lighting.
And, um, to the best of my knowledge,
the zoning ordinance discusses just shielding lighting from
one site to the other
and that the 20 feet has been our standard, um,
for the planning commission.
However, on the GM site, the lighting has been 30 feet,
um, throughout that campus.
So that was the one note that, um,
Mr. Harris was going to bring up to you.
So I guess with that potential change, I just wanted
to let you know that part of it.
Thanks Ms. Michelle. Alright, you're welcome.
Um, I need a motion
to recognize this as a minor amendment,
Mr. Chairman, I'll
make a motion to recognize this
as a minor amendment, uh,
with a couple of questions.
Support Maury?
Well it was just recognizing the minor amendment.
You can ask your questions on the item itself, right.
About the item itself? Yeah. Okay.
So we're just recognizing the minor amendment right now.
Okay. And then we gotta vote again to the, on the project
and that's when you can have a discussion on the project.
Alright, fair enough. Alright. Okay.
Thank you Mr. Chairman.
That was a motion by Commissioner dse supported
by Commissioner Moy to recognize
as a minor amendment roll call.
Commissioner dse. Yes. Commissioner Maori Botez.
Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow. Yes.
Commissioner Hawk. Yes. Commissioner Ery. Yes.
Commissioner Bki. Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To recognize as a minor amendment.
Now, uh, I need a motion to approve
or the petition
amendment approve.
Mr. Chairman, I'll, I'll hold my, uh, question
and talk to the petitioner myself.
This is something to do with this, um, uh, minor amendment.
Well, If, if you, if
You can't, you can't bring it up into discussion now.
Sure. Uh, if the Hold one sec. Hold on. Motion
To Need a motion. Mm-hmm.
I'll make a motion. Make, Make a motion.
I know that's what I was saying. Okay.
He, he, we need a motion for the, for the item motion.
Motion to approve it.
Support Maury. So now we can go with
The motion now with discussion.
Now with discussion.
Thank you Mr. Chairman.
If, if the petitioner can come up on two things,
how much voltage are you going to require for all this?
So that's a good question for an electrical engineer.
Um, I do not recall the exact amount we read the statement.
Yeah, that, that would be very helpful. Thank you, Claire.
You're welcome. Uh, good evening.
I'm not an electrical engineer,
but I do have a statement from our electrical
coal engineer here at Smith Group.
And she stated that the project includes a 2,500 slash
3,333 KVA kilowatt kilovolt
amps, containerized substation feeding three 1600 amp
four 80 y slash 2 77 volt switchboards within the
substation container.
These serve 10 dual port 320 kilowatt level three
DC fast chargers for a total of 20 EV parking spaces,
which Jason, uh, described.
The substation also serves a mini power center
for all supporting one 20 slash 208 volt loads,
telecom, security, convenience, power and con,
and the substation container HVAC system.
Does that help answer your question?
Yeah. Yes. That, that's an awful lot of power
that you're going to be going through there.
Um, next, do you have any sort
of fire extinguisher, um, apparatus
around this, uh, charging area?
Yeah, so as part of the site plan, um, modifications,
we do have to relocate a hydrant, which is right in
that north end of the parking lot.
Um, there are also local disconnect switches for each
charging unit themselves.
That's above
and beyond industry best practices for being able
to completely isolate the power.
So you see behind each unit there's a, a disconnect switch.
Okay. That would, would cut off all power
to the individual chargers as well
as the breakers you could terminate in the container.
And then, I don't know exactly
where we relocated the hydrant,
but there is a hydrant that is, uh, within 50 feet of,
of these, um, stalls for the
Well that, That special event of a fire department.
I, I just wanna make sure
that safety has gone into this 'cause
It, it, it has, that's
An awful lot of energy and an a lot of room.
And, and to that point, we, we have a whole group
that obviously focuses on electrical vehicle
occupational safety.
This location was selected
because it's not in proximity to the right of way
or surrounding the campus and or any of our major buildings.
So it's in an isolated, you know,
north end of this parking lot.
Um, as well as all of those safety features
that are built into the configuration, as I
Mentioned. All right. Very
good. Thank you Mr. Chairman.
Any of the floor, any other,
Any other discussion?
Chair? Go ahead. Okay.
One other quick question are, are any
of these stalls gonna be, uh, van accessible per a D eight,
uh, recommendations?
Does it look like any of them were
Made? Yeah, so the, the one
on the far west is a van accessible,
um, handicap stall.
Okay. So, because I want,
because I know not every
by the driving's in a normal car and Yep.
You know, my drive a van that,
And we intentionally made these stalls a little bit wider
as well, just given the nature of the, uh, more frequent in
and out trips and larger vehicles,
charging port access, all of that.
Okay. Thank you. I yield the floor. Thank you, sir. Yes,
Mr.
Uh, I just wanna, uh, clear that you just, um,
give the data is for per day
or per month, you just mentioned all of all the data,
uh, for the voltage
And all those, so that, that's the sizing of the, the
electrical components that are there.
Those would not be necessarily like kilowatt hours per se.
Um, the, the chargers themselves are 320
kilowatt chargers, fast chargers, um,
and obviously there's a utilization factor.
They're not all gonna be used simultaneously.
And then I think the chargers are actually set up
where they, they split the load, um,
between the vehicles if you have two,
because each charger is a dual port charger.
So if you plug in one vehicle,
it's gonna get the full kilowatts.
If you plug in two vehicles, it's gonna split that load.
Um, so I, I don't think we have
right now an accurate projection of the, the, the, you know,
uh, average utilization, if that makes sense. Yep.
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this
Mr. Chair? If I may?
Go ahead.
Um, I wanted to bring up two DI think that was one
of the question that Michelle had brought up,
and then also the petitioner.
So do you wanna speak a little bit more about that or
Yeah, if, uh, Claire sure can, can help address that?
Um, so I think the, the item was the lighting,
the maximum height of the light is being 20 feet tall.
And, um, as you know, GM went
through a significant transformation, uh,
starting about 10 years ago
or so, um, where they really started to update, uh,
lighting on campus, um,
because there wasn't really a lot of it.
And, um, the GM standard at that time dictated
and still does dictate that the light in parking lots
and on roadways is a maximum height of 30 feet.
Um, so we have three new, uh, site lighting fixtures, um,
to bring up the levels
of lighting in this parking lot to code.
'cause right now there is, I think just one light
and it's not sufficient.
So adding the three fixtures, um, at the 30 foot height is
what will get us to that, uh, appropriate code for safety
and also meets GM's standards
for the pole height. Did you wanna add
Your head? Yeah, it just,
it, as you can imagine, we want the campus
to be harmonious and over the last 10 years,
all the investment we've made, uh, whether it is retrofit
of existing or the new site features that we've built,
we've set a common standard of 30 feet.
But we also are very considerate about environmental impacts
and local impacts that side shields glare protection,
no uplight, those are all our, in our standard fixture.
It's just a matter of the height of the poles, um, being at
that 30 feet versus the 20 feet.
Yeah. I like to, um, request the commission
that we allow the 30 feet in the recommendation.
Okay. Not a problem. Thank you.
They already have it been approved
for it in other areas. Yeah. So just
Match areas, it makes sense to have everything
right. Look the same.
Any other questions to the petitioner?
I had a couple questions.
Uh, you've got a patio
where people can wait while they're vehicles are
being, uh, charged.
Do they gonna have tables or chairs to sit there or,
Yeah, I mean, the, the vision would be a combination
of open furniture seating, uh, as well
as a potential canopy.
Uh, obviously Michigan weather is variable.
Uh, so we, we,
we wanna make it an attractive option versus
just waiting in your vehicle.
Um, as, as you could,
if you looked at the overall site plan, these stalls aren't
immediately adjacent to any building, so you'd have to walk
to, to get refuge somewhere.
So this is really just, uh, more of an attractive amenity
to allow those employees to enjoy their waiting.
Um, so this is a concept of what may be,
but it, there's gonna be some form of furniture
and, uh, uh, canopy coverage there.
Okay. How long, uh, you say they're fast chargers,
how long would it take 'em to charge the vehicle
With a three 20 watt charger?
And, and, you know, I currently have the luxury
of driving the Escalade IQ
and it's, uh, 20 to 30 minutes full charge, um, at that.
So this, this will be a faster turnover type charging than
your level two chargers that, you know,
somebody would park all day.
So that the intent here is to prove the technology
and provide that amenity for employees that are
short stay at the campus or visiting from other campuses
or even, you know, other suppliers
and visitors to the campus to give them an amenity to,
um, to charge up.
Um, so it, it it's gonna be in that 20
to 40 minute range depending on level
of charge you come in at and what you want to leave at.
Okay. I also have concern about the weather.
You know, we get snow here, we get rain here and,
and I don't know, I know water
and electricity doesn't mix it, it, but,
but, uh, it are the,
seem like the units should have some sort
of protection coverage also
when people are charging their car that, that, uh,
it's not getting wet at the car when they're charging their,
and they're not getting
wet at the car when they're charging.
So, so all of that is built into the, both the charger
and the vehicle technology so that if un
until the charger is fully engaged in the vehicle,
there's no current flowing through it.
Um, and,
and then the way the, the chargers are designed
to be exterior, you know, chargers mm-hmm.
Intentionally, and,
and the vehicle ports are designed to shield runoff
and rain water, you know, I mean, i, I charge at home
and it's raining at night
and that's, that's totally acceptable.
Um, so all of that is built into the technology
of both the chargers and the vehicles.
So the, the idea of having a canopy over the stalls is not,
uh, a necessity.
Um, and we did evaluate that it, there's, you know,
obviously a cost, but more
or less there's a, there's an aesthetic we're also trying
to preserve on the historic side of campus.
And, and, you know, the container alone was a, uh,
a challenge that we had to address
to make sure it fit within that campus aesthetic.
Adding the canopy would've been, uh, another challenge
that we didn't feel was necessary.
Well, you could put some umbrellas by each charger. Yeah.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Anyone else have anything to say?
That was, um, that was a motion by Commissioner Ansar,
supported by Commissioner Maury. Roll call
Commissioner. An sir?
Yes. Commissioner Maori votes? Yes.
Commissioner dse? Yes. Commissioner Halli? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Childry? Yes.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes, they're approved. Good luck with your project.
Thank you so much. Have a
Great night. Have a good evening. Thank
you. Item number six B
eight B, I'm sorry.
Item number eight B revision to site plan
for Islamic Center for Worship, located on the south side
of 13 Mile Road, approximately 512 feet east
of Washington Boulevard.
8 3 6 0 13 mile road
and 13 dash 10 dash 1 26 dash 0 0 2.
Section 10 Kai Amin to, um, Hawk Amin
Amin and m Omar Fari, za abo
and Z design build
PSP 2 5 0 0 1 5. Thank you.
Thank you. Is petitioner here this evening?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening, commissioners.
Um, so per our last meeting, there was a disturbance
to the back of this property, um, in regards to vegetation
and trees and in working with Michelle, um, a planning,
we had proposed a micro forest back there
and along with some other changes, um, in regards
to the site land, uh,
the biggest change aside from the micro forest in the back
is basically per the recommendation from the first letter
from our first meeting initially
before the tree disturbance was
to adjust the parking spaces.
So now it's one way in angle parking for the site plan
turn, and then one way out we maintain the amount
of parking spaces, which I believe is 37.
So that automatically pushed the parking lot back
towards the disturbed area.
Uh, but there's still a good amount of land back there
where we're planting the microcenter along
with putting an embossed concrete wall on
the, gimme a second here.
Trying to remember what site that is.
I believe that's the west side for the embossed wall.
That was also another proposal.
Um, the other proposal was we had room on the east side
and we proposed the eight foot green belt, um,
with the recommended per the ordinance trees
and arbor from front to back back.
There were some other changes. All the changes are basically
bubbled, um, in our, in our plan
to include a full civil engineering storm
water management plan as well.
And I'm happy to answer any questions in regards
to this project.
Thank you, sir. Yes, sir.
Uh, any correspondence? Yes.
So correspondence, taxes, current, um,
you read, I can read this.
Yeah. Yeah. Taxes is current engineering.
Preliminary review
of this site indicates the planning commission approval
should be contingent upon the petitioner's compliance
with the following conditions.
Number one, show the intent to drain central
and southern part of the parcel.
Number two, stormwater ordinances required from both the
city and the county for the site over an acre.
Number three, drive approach.
Radar should be minimum of 20 feet for one way ingress
and egress fire in response to revised plans
for PSP 2 5 0 0 1 5.
Fire lanes are required to be 13.6 feet high
and 20 feet wide with the location
of the dumpster enclosed at the southwest portion
of the driveway parking lot, we feel this would cause issues
for the fire department.
Um, at and t at and t does not object to the project.
Please ask the petitioner
to contact me if there's any conflicts.
Comcast, in response to your utility request for the
above project, Comcast has facilities in conflict.
Please refer to the test map for the location of Comcast
CTV slash fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
ccc utility request@teamsigma.com,
T-E-D-T-E Electric Company has received
and reviewed the revision to site plan
for Islamic Center for Worship.
DTE Electric Company has no objection to the revised,
revised to revision to site plan for Islamic Center
for Worship impacting 8 3 6 0 13 mile road
and 13 dash 10 dash 1 26 dash zero two section
10 per the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at
5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8 MCPW.
The Macomb County Public Works office has reviewed the site
plan for the project reference above
and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less
than one acre and will not require stormwater
review from this site.
If a no objection letter is required,
please forward your request
to Wesley dot john@mccombgov.org. Thank you.
Thanks. Mad Secretary.
Planning Department's recommendation
Is recommended that the revised site plan
for the new Islamic Center for Worship
and Parking lot be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plan shall be submitted indicating the
following, one a at the parcel numbers
and both addresses on the site plan.
That's as one one B.
The six foot high brick
and boss poured concrete wall proposed off offset
and along the west property line is set back 28 feet
and shall be set back 30 feet from the north property line.
The wall shall be labeled six foot high brick
and boss ported concrete wall
one C provide the propo proposed driveway widths
as measured at the property line on the site plan 1D.
The new parking lot will contain 37 parking spaces meeting
the calculation provided on the site plan.
The dimensions of the parking spaces appear
to need adjustment to meet the 4.32 of the,
of the zoning ordinance.
One e provide the dimensions between the concrete curbing
and the east and west property lines.
One FA note shall be
provided stating all lighting on the site shall be shielded
and not encroached upon abiding properties.
The light fixtures pull
and base shall be no higher than 20 feet
as measured from the top of the light fixture to the bottom
of the basic ground level.
All glares should be eliminated from all light fixtures.
Upward directed lighting shall not be permitted.
One G the eight foot wide green belt will need
to be extended along the entire East property line
and set back 30 feet from the North property line
where abuts the R one C one family residential district
and contains a single family dwelling one H.
All of the trees indicate on the site plan along the east
property line shall be removed from the site plan.
I The first site plan indicated a new pedestrian walkway
from the public sidewalk to the new religious institution.
The new new plan does not indicate a walkway.
However, planning staff believes that providing a walkway
for potential foot traffic
to the building is important and shall be provided.
Jay, uh, provided a dimension between the trash enclosure
and the walkway indicating the
width of the maneuvering lane.
Two, two copies
of revised landscape plan shall be submitted indicating the
following to a, the eight foot wide green belt will need
to be extended along the entire East property line
and set back 30 feet from the north property line
where it abuts the R one C one family residential district
and contains a single family dwelling.
Two B indicate the proposed six foot high brick
and bus poured concrete wall along the west property line on
the landscape plan and two c on the landscape plan.
In the plant material list, update the common name for the
Norway Spruce.
Um, it says Pennis abi the Austrian pine
is, is an invasive species on the list in,
on the invasive species list and should not be planted.
So there's just some confusion between the scientific name
and the tree indicated.
So, um,
and number three, the two copies
of revised photometric plan shall be
provided indicating the following.
Uh, photometric plan was
provided with the revised set
of plans along the front property line.
It shows the measurement to the center of the road,
which it only needs
to be indicated along the front property line.
There are areas along the east, west
and front property lines where the plan indicates 0.1
through 1.2.
In the areas where the lighting is not indicated at zero,
0.0 shielding shall be
provided to ensure the new light poles.
The new light poles lighting will not encroach
on the surrounding properties.
Number four, an application
to combine the two parcels identified
as 13 dash 10 dash 26 dash zero one
and 13 dash 10 dash 26 dash zero two has been submitted
to the planning department as and is in process number five.
The survey plan indicates the project falls in flood zone ae
according to FEMA firm map.
Uh, this parcel is in flood zone.
Ae the project shall adhere to all regulations
to construct in a flood area.
And six, the a DA ramp shall be approved
by the building Division Seven.
The new driveways to 13 mile road shall meet standards
of the city of Warren Engineering division.
And number eight, uh, the following variance may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division.
And the, um, the existing building encroaches into the 30
foot front setback that's 13 mile Road.
A variance from the zoning board of appeals will be required
to retain the building at 29 feet.
Um, one in one fourth inch from the north property line.
And if approved, the vari shall be added, uh,
to the revised site plan.
And number nine, a performance bond in the amount
of $4,500 shall be posted according to the estimated cost
of $150,000 by the petitioner.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thanks Ms. Michelle. You're welcome.
I turn over to commission
Motion to approve with discussion.
Maury, I supported
That. I'm sorry. Commissioner
Haw has a motion
by Commissioner Maury supported
by Commissioner Hawk discussion.
Um, if I may, Mr. Chair, if I may? Mm-hmm.
Uh, hold on. I you lost my paper here.
Um, if I, if the petitioner can come up, please.
Um, I know there are quite some changes from last time,
I think believe back in February to now this new site plan.
Um, do you, have you had a chance
to review all the new requirements that are out there
and do you agree with all of them?
Yes, I, we agree with all of 'em.
I would just like to speak about the variance.
So the board is, I mean, planning, planning is recommending
that we come from a variance in regards to 10.75 inches.
Is there anywhere in your bylaws
where there's a such a tiny percentage
that we can waive having to come in front
of the variance board, which probably meets what,
once a month over something so minuscule,
especially with the hardship.
It's not an induced hardship.
It, the, the corner of this property just happens to be
10.75 inches, let's just call it 11 inches
outside the building envelope.
Or do we have to come in front of that variance board
for something so minuscule?
Do you guys have the authority to bypass that?
I know there are laws and attorneys involved
and no one wants to get sued,
but it's just such a small number.
I know we have our city attorney in here
and I'll probably allow her to ask,
answer that question for us.
There's nothing in the ordinance
that gives this body that authority.
Okay. So it's a big old thing. No,
Unfortunately.
Okay. Yeah, unfortunately.
We'll probably have you go in front of them
and then get that variance.
Sure. Yeah.
Thought I'd ask because again, it's not an induced vari,
you know, we're not asking, we're not building into
outside of a setback.
It just happens to be there.
Anyone else for discussion? Uh, excuse me.
Yes, yes. Chair. May, may I speak? Okay. Please.
Uh, I have a question to our, um, planning department
director, please.
Yes. My question.
You know, we approved this site plan before, right?
So last time when we approved we had this, uh, variance that
for the 10 inch we are, uh, requesting right now.
So last time we had this variance also
when we approved last time,
We should have, I believe so.
Can you please find out this thing that, you know,
last time when, when we approved it, we had this variance
because, you know, uh, it, it
Shows we have, I think we have more
variances last time because, but
I'm talking about this, uh, 30 feet
and 29 feet at this moment.
And you know, we are asking, uh, them to go to the, um, GBO
to get the approval for the 10 inch.
Yeah. So we had this before or
We, well, what I remember from last time, um, was
that we were unclear.
We were met, they didn't have a dimension on their plan.
And we said it, it was very close.
It, we weren't a hundred percent sure
what the measurement was
because it wasn't on their first plan.
So we said they may need a variance if they don't meet
the setback.
So now their revised plans, they went out
and did that measurement from the
leading edge of the building.
It wasn't on the first plan.
So last time, you know, when we,
But we said they needed it potentially,
but now with their updated plans, they have the dimension.
So that means last time we know we,
we didn't have this variance for the 10 inch,
but now we, we have it.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to clear
This thing that was specific last time.
It was might need it
because we didn't know the for sure dimension.
Now we know the dimension.
'cause they brought it onto the, they measured it
and it's not very much.
But like the attorney said, we don't have
that authority in our zoning ordinance right now to
have the commission waive that.
So.
All right. Thank you. You're welcome.
Um, I think the attorney wanted to make a comment.
You wanna make, you don't, no. Okay. Alright. Good evening.
Anybody else have any questions?
Yes. Um, I, I have a question
to our attorney if we wanna do a motion
to waive this 10 inch, uh,
and approve by the, uh, commission.
Do you, do they have to still have to go to the uh, GPA?
I'm just, uh, trying to understand this thing.
Just mention our, uh, you know, director, uh, Michelle,
she just mentioned if we commission a a
waived it, we can do it. I just wanna make, make sure this,
Unfortunately it would still be a zoning violation
regardless of what, how this commission acts.
It's all up to the interpretation of the zoning inspector.
And he has, he enforces the ordinances ordinances
as they exist now.
So without that variance from not doing anybody any favor
Because you know, just for 10 inch extra for them.
That's why I was just thinking, I understand way we can
waive this thing, you know, make these things easy for them.
Alright, thank you.
Thank you, uh, to the petitioner. Good evening sir.
Good evening, sir. I had a couple questions speaking.
We have to put a lot of trees and
shrubs and everything back in there.
Have you put together an estimate on the cost
of all the additional landscaping?
We don't have an estimate, but it's gonna,
it's gonna cost a pretty penny that's for sure
because it's a lot of trees.
But a micro forest is a micro forest.
I couldn't, you know, fake the funk
and just throw six, seven trees there
because, you know, it's just not the right way.
We don't have an estimate, but you know, we're gonna do
what we're gonna do because of what was
removed. It's that simple.
Well my thought is if you, you're gonna have
to have some sort of irrigation also for the,
for the trees back there.
I don't know in the micro forest
how they're watered or whatever.
But, so that's the thing about it.
We you're gonna need an estimate
for the additional landscaping.
'cause that's gonna change the bond.
I need an estimate for the
additional landscaping because why?
It will change what the bond is on the, on the uh
Oh. So
my understanding is micro forest natural setting,
no irrigation whatsoever.
We are only supposed to be, unless I'm,
unless Michelle can correct me, we're only irrigating the,
um, landscaping that's up in the front.
Okay. Yes sir.
Alright sir. But We can, we can put up,
we can put an estimate together for that,
for the micro fires back
There and just, you know,
and give it to the planning department and Sure.
And uh, so they have an idea. Sure.
There's a motion by Commissioner Mor,
supported by Commissioner Hawk.
All in favor? A roll call. We'll do a roll call. Call,
Call. Sorry.
I wanna make sure everything is
legal and on the up and up.
Are you supposed to be going to public for questions?
'cause that got skipped. I, no,
No, no, No. Okay.
Just wanna make sure
It was already put before public hearing before.
Okay. I just wanna make sure this
doesn't come and haunt us. Doesn't have to come back.
No. This, this is old business. Okay.
Um, but you could, it's good.
You ask the question. Roll call
Com. Okay. So,
commissioner Morrie, that's me. I vote Yes.
Commissioner Hawk. Yes. Commissioner Ansar. Yes.
Commissioner Doe? Yes. Commissioner Hollow. Yes.
Commissioner Childry? Yes. Commissioner Beke? Yes.
Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve item number eight C,
Commissioner. Thank
you. Good night. Thank
You, sir. That we
Can, it's old business.
You can't, You can't. No, no, sir.
That part's, the, that part of it's over already.
The homeowners never got a chance to speak.
If, if you like to speak, you can save it
for the citizen participation portion
of the agenda up on the, I signed
Up on The page.
Pardon me. But this is, pardon me.
We've already had a public hearing on this before.
There's no need for another public
hearing. They didn't. Okay. They
Weren't even notified of it.
There, there was, the public hearing came before,
before when they, we approved the project.
There's no a copy of the letter.
There's no need for, there's no need
for a second public hearing.
Now, if you want to say something about it, you can do it
during citizen participation, which is next
to a couple items down.
Okay. But as far as what we discussed on that tonight
is final, because
They've never, this was mailed October 17th was the,
their first chance to speak on this matter.
They, they never got any.
But this wasn't, this wasn't scheduled
originally as a public hearing.
It was scheduled. An old business and an old business.
The audience or the citizens don't speak on old business.
But why didn't they didn't, they didn't get a chance
to get their input in the first place. Even before
I, I don't know. I don't
Know. Why was it not mailed
them? Uh, mailed
Out to them. Everybody had
the notices
with the very first time it came here.
They didn't get the notice. This was the only
Notice got, sir, I'm not
gonna, I'm not gonna argue with you. I
Mean, I'm not trying to argue, but they have the right
Can we, if they want to say something, they can come up
during Citizen participation and they could say their piece.
Well, you guys already approved it,
so it's not gonna make any difference, is it?
Like I said, we've already approved it. You're right.
So it's not even gonna make any difference at all,
Whether you can still come up and say what you wanna say,
but at Citizen participation.
Okay. Okay. Uh, item number eight C.
Item number eight C.
Minor amendment for expansion
of commercial kitchen area and dmo.
Located on the south side of 14 Mile Road,
approximately 823 point 28 feet west of Van D**e Avenue.
7 0 7 0 9 6 14 Mile Road, section four,
Joe Vin and Ari Realty.
Robert a Hoda, OX Studio Inc.
PMA 2 3 0 1 0.
Minor amendment is for expansion
of Commissioner Kitchen area
approved on December 18th, 2023.
The petitioner is withdrawing their
minor amendment petition.
Thank you.
I need a motion to withdraw a minor amendment petition.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to, uh, withdraw the
Petition. I support it.
There is a motion by Commissioner dse,
supported by Commissioner Hawk.
All in favor? A. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Item number nine, bin release. Not seeing none. Item 10.
New business. Seeing none since in participation.
Anyone like to speak? Okay.
Item number 12, planning commission Business 12
a Planning director's report.
All right. Good evening. Um, well,
since the last planning commission meeting on October 20th,
um, staff has done very busy.
Um, Ron, uh, with the planning director, myself and,
and Amanda, we attended the Michigan Association
of Planning Conference in Kalamazoo,
Michigan from October 22nd through the 24th of October.
And also planning Commissioner Ze
also attended the conference.
Um, there were a lot of interesting sessions
that we attended pertaining to housing, redevelopment,
even climate migration.
Um, then returning back to the office on October 27th,
um, I attended the committee of the whole meeting along
with the planning director and also Hunter Manus from the
Economic Development Department.
Um, we discussed the Van D**e corridor plan
with the city council and answer their questions.
Um, at this point, we anticipate the plan will be brought
back to, uh, city Council agenda for a vote pretty soon.
Um, and also for anyone that's interested,
that plan is on the planning department's website
so you can view it.
Um, and it's been there since, well, when it was approved,
December 12th, 2023.
So that's available for reviewing.
Um, then on October 28th, uh, the planning director
and I attended a Stevens Greenway, um, project meeting.
And this was, this is a, uh, planning assistance grant that,
um, Simco awarded to, to the city
of Warren Center line, east Point, and St.
Clair Shores. And
so this is looking at the Stevens Road from, um,
from center line all the way up to St.
CLA shores. Looking at it's the beginning of the process,
like potentially a bike trail, um, walking path.
So, um, so it's just the beginning of that process.
And that same afternoon, we had a meeting regarding a pot,
um, potential or a draft missing middle overlay district.
And so the purpose of this will be, uh, to allow
for incremental increases in housing, um,
through the construction of like two, three,
and four unit, uh, dwellings.
And we have to work out the details of the application
and notification process.
However, the zoning ordinance, once it's ready, um,
it'll be brought before the planning commission
for a recommendation with final adoption by city council.
Um, then on the, um, the October,
on October 28th, um,
the planning director attended the city council meeting
where the RFP for the Climate Action Plan was discussed.
And at this point that, um, that plan is,
that decision has been tabled.
And so I anticipate at some point in the future that'll be a
committee of the whole meeting also
to gather more information, um,
before that gets brought back to an agenda.
Um, and then on October 30th,
we had an internal meeting about the zoning ordinance.
And once again, we focus primarily on that,
this draft missing middle overlay district.
And that's something that we'll probably be seeing, um,
probably within the next few months or so.
And so this ends the report,
and please let me know if you have any
questions. Thank you. Thanks,
Ms. Michelle. Anybody have
any questions for Ms. Michelle?
I do chair, I have a quick question again.
Um, I did bring up a di those people that wanted to discuss,
I'm just kind of curious of dated October 17th
was how come, how can I word this?
We didn't, was that brought up at our previous
meeting or two meetings ago? I'm still, I can't remember.
Um, that's when a notice was mailed.
That was a mailing date.
So even though it was an old business item, it was the
planning director wanted us to mail notices to the,
the neighbors because it was previously,
um, not an old business item.
So it was a previously a full site plan
where they received public notices because of the revisions.
We mailed out notices,
letting people know about the meeting,
Just, just to let 'em know that.
But then that they couldn't be,
that It wasn't a public hearing though.
Well, it was an old business item,
but that was, you know, we did send them out, so
letting them know they could come here
And listen to it, but that it couldn't be discussed.
That's, I mean, that I, you know,
the Yeah, I can't speak to that.
I mean, the rules could be suspended, so that's not,
you know, that's something we were anticipating. Okay.
Mr. May You on the floor?
I yield. Okay, go ahead. Yeah.
Um, I, I have a quick question.
Actually two questions, and then one kind of based, um,
following up on that question with Mr.
Hollow. Um, do we usually with all the revisions,
do we usually mail out all the 300
feet people and everything?
Is that something that's common?
Sometimes. So I guess it just, it depends.
It was really, in this case, it was like the discretion
of the playing director just
because it, there was a, a lot of,
I guess there was some impact with all the trees
and we were getting a lot of calls and things like that.
So that was the choice of mailing it out to
see how the revisions were basically of the plan
to let people know this plan's been now back
and the improvements to all the trees
that were cut down are now going
to be planted. Basically. You know,
Is that, can we maybe, like, especially
with old businesses, because you know, it's up
to the planning commission to allow
for them to speak or not right.
To suspend the role. So maybe somewhere in the letter is
there, is there a way to mention, be like, you can come
and attend the meeting, but it's not,
they're not really gonna be able to speak if they come
with like a whole letter and they wanna speak?
Definitely they're upset if they, if they come in here
with the intention that they're gonna speak
and they don't really understand the fact
that it's an old business.
It's not really like, it's not an option.
You know, it's definitely kind of up to us to like,
to let them, I, I think it would be good to let them know,
old business come
and attend the meeting, know the updated plans.
It is up to the planning commission
to suspend the role to allow you to speak.
You're not guaranteed to speak.
You know, something like that.
I think that's gonna be really helpful.
Yeah, I think we need to adjust it if we
send it for an old business item. Yeah, definitely.
I think that's something I would definitely recommend.
Mm-hmm. With that, I have another thing I wanted to say.
I know you guys, uh, only three
of the PE planning commissioners went to, um, one
and then I think two of the officers.
Yeah. Um, is there a way to maybe share some
of the knowledge that kind of, uh,
was shared in the conference, um,
with the rest of the folks?
I think I would personally appreciate some of the,
'cause they do have a lot
of good information that they share.
Mm-hmm. Uh, with me not going for the first time this year,
I would like to know some of the details if possible.
Um, well, I mean, there were so many different sessions.
Mm-hmm. But, um, let's see.
Even like the first session I attended had
to do all about like, um, funding
and balancing housing goals and funding.
So that was one of the first ones that I attended that
actually I helped to moderate that one.
And also, um, the, uh, planning commissioner
and director were in that one as well.
Um, I mean, there was such a range of topics.
So one of the, the keynotes, uh, was an author.
Um, and let me see if I can find that.
But no, I was just thinking maybe,
but I, I, I definitely understand there is a lot of
different options for pe different people to attend, but
Just wanted to bring that up and see.
Yeah, I mean, online you can still see the whole agenda from
the conference and you can see all the speakers
that were there, and even the author that came
and discuss, like his book, the com,
the climate migration.
I'm sorry, I can, I cannot hear PowerPoint presentations.
Oh, the PowerPoint presentations.
But that's sent to only the people in attendance. Mm.
But they can still get online. Oh, okay.
Well, I didn't know they were online, so,
but I know you can see the whole agenda
and everyone who spoke and the different topics,
and so, okay.
Yeah. That's good. So that's, but yeah.
Covered a range of planning topics. That's
Awesome. Thank
You. You're welcome. And next
year, they already announced
that it'll also be in Kalamazoo next year, so
Chair may, may I speak please?
Yeah, I agree with the commissioner, um, Murray that,
you know, all those residents that came with the assumption
that they can speak, you know?
Yeah. And they were upset.
So I think, you know, um, if we can, if you guys, uh,
can mention when it's a revised plan mm-hmm.
That, you know, you can come here, you can, you know,
see we change this and that,
but you know, you won't be able to speak as a, um, you know,
residents, you're not gonna have this option.
Right. So they will come with the, with the plan
that I'm not gonna, you know, have a opportunity to speak,
but I can, I can see and listen, uh, what's going on
and what's what is happening.
Yes. So they won't be upset, you know?
Yep. Definitely. We'll look into that.
Thank you. Thank you. Mm-hmm.
Any other commissions? Any other commissions concerns?
Item number 13, calendar pitting matters. Seeing none.
Item number 14, adjourn. Motion to adjourn.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that we adjourn.
I second, I have a motion by Commissioner Duhe,
supported by Comm Commissioner Hollow.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Yes. Good evening everyone.