I am now calling to order a regular meeting
of this city council, Tuesday,
December 9th, 2025 at 7:00 PM Please stand
for the Pledge of Allegiance.
I pledge allegiance. Allegiance to the flag.
The flag of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.
Roll call Madam Secretary Councilwoman Rogan C.
Here, Councilwoman McGee. Here. Councilman Dwyer. Here.
Councilman Bokey. Present. Councilman Lafferty? Here.
Councilman Nunan. Here. Councilwoman Moore is present.
We have a quorum. Next item.
Next item is adoption
of the consent agenda. Motion to table
Support supports a table Tabling motion.
Uh, let's see. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. To table.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. To table. Mr. Bokey? Yes. To table. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. To table. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries items tabled.
Next item is adoption of the agenda.
So moved with discussion
Support, lty.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um, we are adding as 11 a
settlement in the matter of Kathy
Weisbach versus City of Warren.
Additionally, we are adding as that is 11 A as 11
B, we are adding resolution approving contract addendum
to contract WP 24 8 20 to add completion
of water main and pavement reconstruction project
at Potomac, Maryland, Rohn and Champaign Avenues
and approval of immediate effect, also adding under,
um, council business as item 12 E.
Discussion of the tap grant from Emco.
Any additional discussion,
hearing, and scene?
None. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Laffy?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is six. A calendar of pending matters.
Motion to receive and file with discussion
Support Lafferty.
Discussion Ms. Moore? Yeah.
Just to re-iterate, um, back on, um,
October 14th, this council, uh, approved a request
for all documents, um, Um,
and any drafts relating to the Compensation Commission.
Uh, of course we ask that, uh, personal notes
of the mayor not be included.
We didn't wanna invade her thought process
and her personal, um, thoughts.
Um, we have a court order
that says anything council requests is to be
provided to council within 10 days.
Uh, unless in the case of some voluminous materials,
certainly the mayor would have, um, the right
to call council office, ask for an extension,
which would be, uh,
granted in every case that I can imagine.
If it was, uh, we did not receive that request.
Um, one of the, uh, reasons
that we have heard the mayor did not send over originally,
uh, this, uh, commission to be, uh,
before the October one de,
was it October one, Mr. Schroeder?
Was it deadline? October one was
that she didn't wanna raise.
Um, and if anyone read the paper in the last week, um,
the Mount Clemens City Commission met in compliance
with state law as we were required to do every odd year.
The, uh, elected officials Compensation
Commission is to meet.
That is their only mandate is to meet the Mount Clemens,
uh, uh, elected officials Compensation Board met,
and at that time, they decided to take no action.
Their comment was in 21
or 22, the commission had received a substantial raise
and they did not see any reason
to make any changes at that time.
So the fact that the mayor personally does not want a raise
is irrelevant to any of this.
Um, and in fact, the commission is supposed
to make an independent decision on whether a raise
should be made.
They could probably say, we'll take away money,
or they make no decision
or make a decision to leave everything as it is
that the mayor went way, way
beyond any authority she has in what she's done.
Um, she, uh, uh, stopped that commission for meeting.
She didn't, um, appoint that commission.
She can't appoint the commission. Now.
She can send it over next week,
and it would be in place so that January 1st, 2027,
that commission could meet.
They can't meet next year, uh,
because they can only meet on the odd years.
So we have not received the items.
We are tabling, um, the consent, um, agenda
until the mayor sends over the documents
that we have asked for.
It's not unreasonable.
It's not voluminous,
and I don't know why it's not been sent at this point.
Uh, we did add an item, uh, that was, uh, uh, something
that we deemed that was serious
and that needed to be passed tonight.
We are certainly not going to do anything
to put the residents in jeopardy.
Uh, we also are trying to avoid going to court.
Nobody likes that. Uh, we will if we have to.
Nobody really, nobody wants to.
We'll win when we go to court.
It'll just cost money
and time, which we do not want to engage in that practice.
But we already have a court order
that says we get what we want.
This is not a two-way street.
When we ask for information, the mayor is to give it to us.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts. It's in the charter.
It's in the court order.
So that's where we are at this point.
I invite the mayor to send over what we have requested
and we can go back to normal business
as far as I'm concerned.
Thank you. Any other discussion?
We are on the calendar of pending matters,
hearing and seen none.
I'll call the question. All in favor. A. Any opposed?
Next item. Next item is seven.
A approval of the bills of the General
Revenue Funds. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Discussion,
hearing, and seeing none.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is seven B.
Approval of the bills of the water and sewer system.
So moved. Support Dwyer.
Discussion, hearing, and scene. Then I'll call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is?
Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item are the general fund revenue reports for June,
July, August, September, and October of 2025.
Motion to receive and file
Support Lafferty Discussion.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is seven
D General Fund expenditure reports for June, July, August,
September, and October of 2025.
Motion to receive and file
Support Lafferty Discussion,
hearing and seen none.
I call the question. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is audience participation for agenda items only.
No forms. Okay.
If anyone in the audience would like to speak
during audience is closing in
3, 2, 1.
Thank you. End of audience. Next item.
Next item is announcements. Madam Chair. Yes.
Uh, a couple things. Um, uh, next, um, Monday,
which is the 15th of December at six o'clock,
we are having a committee meeting of the whole to discuss,
um, some issues in the fire department, the ISO report,
station five, and allocation of resources
that will be in the second floor conference, room B.
Um, also our next meeting is a week from today
because of the Christmas holiday.
It's, I think it's moved up a week, right, Mary? Yes.
So that will be our same time.
Uh, also, uh, I would like to remind everyone
that in on January 29th,
the Warren Symphony Orchestra is having their annual gala,
and that will be at Andiamo Banquet Center.
And the entertainment is the Warren Symphony.
Uh, last year, it was just fabulous.
If anyone is interested in attending, uh,
you can contact me.
I'm on the website under the city things, but,
or you can call, uh, the, uh,
symphony Office at 5 8 6 7 5 4 2 9 5 oh
or visit the WSO
online@warrensymphonyorchestra.org.
Um, additionally, let me get my papers here.
So I get, um, uh,
the Warren City Council proudly recognizes Battalion Chief
Jerry Newan on the occasion of his retirement.
After 27 years of dedicated service to the city
of Warren Battalion,
chief Newan has spent nearly three dec three
decades answering the call day
and night in every imaginable circumstance,
protecting our residents,
supporting his fellow firefighters,
and upholding the highest standards
of professionalism within the Warren Fire Department.
His leadership, calm under pressure,
and deep commitment to public safety,
have made a lasting impression on our community.
Throughout his career, chief Newnan has served as a mentor
to countless firefighters helping shape the next generation
of fire service professionals.
His knowledge, integrity,
and steady guidance have strengthened the department
and contributed
to the exceptional emergency service our city relies on.
As he retires, we extend our heartfelt gratitude
for his years of courage, sacrifice,
and unwavering dedication.
Warren is a safer
and better community because of his service.
On behalf of the Warren City Council
and the residents of our city,
we congratulate Battalion Chief Jerry Noonan on his
retirement and wish him health, happiness,
and well-deserved relaxation in the years to come.
And now on a sad note, one second.
Thank you. We offer our sincere condolences to the family
and friends of Dick Palmer, a dedicated public servant
and treasured member of our community
who peacefully entered eternal rest on November 27th, 2025.
At 92 years of age, our city has lost a true champion
of civic engagement, someone whose life reflected integrity
service, and an enduring love for the Warren community.
For 67 years, Dick Palmer invested his time, talents,
and heart into improving the city of Warren.
His remarkable volunteerism helped shape many
of the institutions that continue to serve our residents.
Today, Dick spent 16 years on the Warren Consolidated School
Board advocating tirelessly for students and families.
He chaired two successful millage campaigns
that secured vital resources for public education.
His steadfast belief in strong schools was further
demonstrated through 16 years as a PTA officer,
and six years as part of the PTA area Council
underscoring his commitment to parent
and community involvement.
Dick's civic leadership extended well beyond education.
He served the community
through 10 years on the Warren Library Commission,
three years on the Cultural Commission,
and an extraordinary three year tenure with the friends
of the Warren Library, where he championed literacy,
lifelong learning, and open access
to educational opportunities.
His passion for the arts was equally profound.
For 25 years, he was a dedicated member
of the Warren Symphony Orchestra Board of Directors,
fulfilling multiple roles, including president,
past president, vice president, and treasurer.
In addition to his extensive SI civic contributions,
Dick was a proud US Army veteran, a graduate
of the University of Detroit,
and an engaged member
of the Alpha F Omega service fraternity.
His deep faith guided decades of involvement in St.
Cletus, St. Edmond, and later St.
Blaze Catholic Church, where he continued
to participate in parish life as he was able,
his dedication reflected a life grounded in service to God,
to family, and to community.
Dick Palmer represented the very best of Warren,
a commitment to volunteerism leadership through example,
compassion for others,
and a belief that every individual can help
strengthen their community.
His influence will continue
to be felt in the organizations he supported,
the people he encouraged, and the city he helped enrich.
For nearly seven decades,
the Warren City Council honors his extraordinary life
and extends heartfelt sympathy to his beloved wife, Jeannie,
his children, grandchildren, extended family, friends,
and all those lives were touched who were touched
by his generation, his generosity and service.
May his memory continue to inspire a legacy
of community service for generations to come.
I would ask for a moment of silence.
Thank you. We have lost some
true icons mm-hmm.
In our community with Sue Keffer and Dick Palmer.
And, and I was in speaking with people.
There just aren't that many people like them anymore.
To be so involved and so caring
and to put that many lie that many years to service
to this city is just truly, truly remarkable.
Thank you. Any other announcements?
Madam Chair? Mr. Lafferty? Yeah.
Richard certainly was a pillar
of the community, much like Sue.
I, I don't think there is a time from when I started
to become involved around age 10, maybe.
I remember Dick
and Jeannie being at every single event
that there was nothing that they were not involved in.
And the Keifers and the Lahars, uh, all of the, the,
the great pillars of the
community were right there with them.
So rest in peace. A life well served.
Uh, I'd like to thank, uh, this, uh, past weekend, uh,
I and another, um, several.
I think all of us, uh, were, were there.
This, this, uh, this Friday night,
this past Friday night at the Tree lighting.
We had a wonderful time thanks to the efforts
of the Warren Parks
and Recreation Department, our public service departments.
Uh, I don't know what department wasn't involved in
preparing for this event.
Warren Police Fire Cert was involved.
Uh, it was just a, a magnificent evening.
The weather cooperated, and we had a, uh, wonderful time.
I know I, I heard a lot of comments
and, uh, compliments about, uh,
how festive the atmosphere was, uh, both inside and out.
So, uh, Mr. Elli, Mr. Stiller, uh, job well done.
Thank you very much. Uh, that same evening, I attended, uh,
the tree lighting at the Ukrainian Cultural Center.
And so we're, we're fortunate to have the,
the Cultural Center, uh, right in the heart of Warren, uh,
vasal Petit, the Honorary Council of Ukraine.
And, uh, welcomed, welcomed the crowd with Father Roman,
who ensured that everyone, not only the tree inside,
but, uh, everyone received a blessing of Holy water, uh,
personally, and came up to you
and made sure that, uh, you got your,
your blessing for the year.
There was a, uh, selection of beautiful Ukrainian carols,
traditional carols that were sung, uh, Ruslana Proco.
And her team did a beautiful job performing that.
And I'd like to recognize, uh, Lesa Uck, the, uh, president
of the Federation and Andre DOI for their service to, uh,
the Cultural Center in Warren.
A wonderful job, wonderful, uh, contribution
to the community.
Thank you.
Any other announcements, Ms. Warren?
I just wanna mention, if any
of you notice coming down the hall,
there's a new display at the Historical Society
Historical Commission.
They did a wonderful job.
So when you leave, take a look out there.
They put a lot of time and effort in that,
and, uh, they did a great job.
That's it. Thank you. Any other announcements?
Going once, going twice. End of, uh, announcements.
Next item. Next item is, sorry, is 10 A,
which is a public hearing request for rezoning
with conditions located on the northeast corner
of Jaquita Road and John B Avenue,
approximately 685.2 feet north
of eight Mile Road from the present zoning classifications
of C one local business district, R one P one, family,
residential and parking district,
and p parking district to C3 wholesale
and Intensive Business District
twenty nine hundred and twenty eight ninety eight Quida
Road, section three, Nabil Kesco, no property.
LLC represented by Samuel Serna, uh, Dender Plaza,
LLC PR 2 5 0 0 0 2.
I think I switched those. Uh, consideration
and adoption of a resolution.
Thank you, Mr. Wirth.
Can you, um, summarize the matter for counsel and gentlemen?
Are you the petitioners you will have an
opportunity to speak after him?
Uh, thank you, uh, Madam President
and counsel here to present this, uh, proposal.
It's a rezoning for conditions.
Uh, it's right on this property on Deter Road at John B.
And, uh, it's, it's been an old, uh,
shopping center for years.
Uh, one that hasn't, uh, operated very well for years.
And, uh, it, it finally looks like, uh,
a change could be made here with, uh, uh,
this particular proposal for a rezoning with conditions
and a rezoning with, uh, conditions.
Uh, in this particular case, uh, the, the owner
has and runs a use that, uh, uh, fits more
with a C3 district instance, excuse me, an intensive
use wholesale and intensive use.
The concern about this zone is that it has uses in it that
we simply don't prefer to have there.
So, with the agreement
and in the conditions, you'll find that, uh,
the petitioner has agreed to eliminate some of the uses
that we felt, and that the Planning Commission felt, uh,
that should be, uh, eliminated.
And, uh, their agreement, uh, is, has reflected that
I'm here representing the Planning commission,
planning commission, uh, approved, actually,
I shouldn't say approved, but recommended approval, uh,
to this, to the city council.
And, um, I'm not sure, I think the,
the ex officios were there to, to witness that.
But, um, the use, uh, he, he's going to inhabit, uh, uh,
the, uh, site, uh, add, uh, a building addition, uh,
if, if this works out, um,
and, uh, retail spaces, it's going to, going to, uh,
enliven that, uh, particular, uh, area
and the landscaping that we discussed,
especially along John B,
which is right across the street from residential.
Uh, it's gonna be quite nice and, uh, perk up and, uh,
and, and make it feel so much better.
This is an area in the master plan that was mentioned for
redevelopment important in this area.
Just, uh, what is it?
Just a couple blocks north of eight Mile.
And, uh, so we hope that, uh, uh, this is
taking a look at
and hope, hope for an approval, frankly,
on this, uh, rezoning.
Any questions?
Not at the moment. Thank you, Mr. Worth. Thank you.
Uh, did the petitioners want to come up and say anything?
Uh, good evening. Uh, Brandon Casta, attorney for, uh,
the applicant, 9 0 1 Wilshire, Troy, Michigan, 4 8 0 8 4.
Uh, I think Mr. Wirth, uh, summarized it perfectly.
Uh, just to add on to that, uh, Mr.
Tu is right here to my right.
Uh, he currently leases, uh, this space in the building
directly east of this, uh, property, uh,
and is operating his business to business cash
and carry wholesale operation, uh, out of that,
uh, building next door.
So what he intends to do is take that business, uh,
move it into the shopping center owner, occupy it, uh,
and by allowing him to do that,
and he only get to C3, you know, he's willing
to invest a significant amount of funds into the property
to improve the property, uh, ing the property,
fixing the roof, expanding the building, uh,
landscaping sidewalks, et cetera.
Um, we understand what the Planning Commission does not want
to see there, and we're happy to exclude that.
But again, the rezoning is necessary for him
to conduct his operations, which again,
it's directly next door and moving it here.
So, um, I, I believe, uh, Rob is the owner, uh,
representative would like to say something as well.
Yeah. Uh, hi.
Rob Crockwell with the Cerno Company,
2 0 9 0 0 Quida Road, uh, Warren, Michigan.
Uh, I'm the Vice President of leasing
and acquisitions for the Cerno Company, uh,
representing Sam Sau, uh, and Deter Plaza here.
Um, and, uh, just like, uh, Ron had mentioned,
and Brandon had mentioned, um, you know,
we've owned this property for a long time, the SAU family.
Uh, I've been in charge for a better part of two decades,
and trying to, um, re-tenant the shopping center
and breathe new life into it.
Uh, and it's been very challenging.
And the main roadblock to doing that is
that we have two parcels
that have three different zoning classifications.
And none of those zoning classifications have allowed us
to really work with a qualified group that we felt would be,
um, something that would be harmonious with what the city
of Warren is looking for, with
what the residential neighbors are looking for.
Um, and, uh, so when that all kind of changed,
when we met Nabeel, uh, keto, uh, from Next door,
and his operation and his willingness
to expand his operation, he's a thriving young entrepreneur
with a really great business and a great story.
Uh, and for him to be able
to expand his business in the city of Warren, move it
to an owner occupied site is something
that we were really, really excited about.
Uh, and it's something that's going to take this property to
that next level that we weren't able to accomplish.
Um, so, you know, we're here to try
to support Nabeel in this rezoning.
Uh, we're not able to sell the property to him
unless it's rezoned to allow him to operate his business.
Um, and so we're here today to ask for, uh,
your approval for the rezoning.
So that can take place and we can have some nice
improvements to this site in, uh, district one, which, uh,
we know, uh, is poised for, uh, some serious redevelopment.
So, uh, we're here to answer any questions that you have,
and we appreciate your consideration.
Of course. Thank you. Um,
lemme open the public hearing first.
Uh, you all can have a seat if there's questions.
Um, we'll call you up. I will open the public hearing.
Is there any members in
the audience who would like to speak?
I okay.
Hearing none, I will turn it over to Counsel
for action. Motion to approve
Support Lty Uh, discussion.
Ms. McGee?
I had a question because this facility been there
for years in the neighborhood.
Um, so there are several companies inside of this building.
Um, are they aware that, um, we're planning on moving it
and that another company would, would buy it?
May I? Mm-hmm. Yes.
Um, so, uh, currently, uh, there is, uh,
the Trade center operation Yes.
That's a portion of the center.
Uh, there is also a portion of the center
that is not occupied.
Yes. I, and that is where, uh,
Nabeel plans on doing major improvements
to operate his business.
And the plan right now is
to continue the operation of the Trade center. Okay.
Yes. Okay. That's why I wanted to make sure. Okay.
Thank you Chair. Mr.
Bokey is this complex, uh, for the petitioner, please,
for, for this complex here.
It's gonna be a retail of different stores or
So. Um, you know,
C3 allows for a variety of uses,
and we made sure to work with the city attorney
and the planning, uh, department to make sure that uses,
that the city doesn't want to see at the property are
excluded, and that will run with the land upon closing.
Um, so there are a variety of different uses
that could take place.
Um, right now the plan is for, to be able
to operate his business in a portion of it,
continue the trade center operation,
and then I think over time, look to Reten
and other portions of the centers. Okay.
And a follow up question from Mr. Wirth, please.
Uh, looking at the, uh, plans here, um,
there's quite a few parking spots,
and I'm looking at eight handicapped.
I don't see any curb cuts for wheelchairs.
Is this all gonna be revised later, or
This is, this is, uh, a DA compliance.
It's, it's actually a revised concept plan.
I brought one to us, and then we had a chance
to work it over a bit.
I know there's a lot more work to be done,
and, uh, if this gets approved, they'll come to us
for site plan approval.
And, uh, and at that time, then we'll
take a look at all that.
Uh, I, I might say that if you have any of other, uh,
concerns after the meeting, let me know what they are,
and, uh, I'll, I'll, uh, take any of those ideas.
And that's from any of the council president, uh,
to make improvements and get the best we can out of this.
Well, thank you. I have concern about the a DA
compliance parking spots. So, sorry,
I couldn't hear what, Sorry about that.
I am concerned about the 88 88 compliance, uh,
on this project because it's, I don't see none
of it listed here as far as curb cuts.
And you got eight, eight parking spots,
uh, for one building.
But you know, if you've,
the other buildings there are gonna be reach out,
there's none in front of their store.
So I'll wait for the amended plan and,
and just take a look at that for me.
Yes, by all means. Thank you.
Mm-hmm. Yield back. Thank you, Mr. Nunan,
Madam President, um, to, um, uh,
director Wirth, director Wirth.
I was looking through, um, the, the packet
and it mentions that, um, the intent
of the developers to follow a DA
and the specific, uh, a DA, um,
uh, what documents and laws, it, it was in here also.
Um, I, uh, let's see what this is.
Offer of conditions on page 6 0 8 of the PDF.
It goes into, uh, not only the rezoning and prohibited uses,
but also the voluntary conditions
and improvements that the developers are planning on doing.
Um, including widening of, of the public sidewalk along
to Quinter Road to meet current city standards, installation
of perimeter frontage
and parking landscaping to soften the site
and enhance curb appeal, cosmetic improvements
to the building facade, including a full refacing
to improve architectural quality.
And a foot, a 15 foot wide landscape setback
along the South John B Avenue
and West Quida Road property lines incorporating berms,
trees, shrubs, and ornamental plantings.
This is excellent stuff, and I detect your handiwork.
So I just wanted to say thank you.
Thank you very much for this excellent, uh, proposal coming
to us, and I hope it passes.
Well, councilman, we've talked a lot about how,
how Warren should look.
Okay. And, uh, one of the biggest things that, uh, I try
to instill in my staff is, uh,
to reclaim the front setback areas.
And that means landscaping.
That means wider, uh, setbacks
or setbacks that were used for other things in the past, uh,
now aren't gonna be used that way anymore.
And this is an example of it, uh, along John B.
So we're a, a nice, uh, 15 foot setback
that they can landscape and put trees
and things like that. So
Thank you so much. You're
Welcome. I will have a couple
questions after, um, Mr.
Wir, um, if we can talk after.
Alright. Okay, Mr. Ne,
Anything further? Madam
chair, Mr. Lafferty? Thank you. Good evening. Mr.
Wirth, I have a question for you.
And then to the developer, the,
the conditions run with the land.
Yes. So even if this particular development doesn't
work out, our rezoning with, with the conditions
that we're specifying tonight would apply
to all future development at that site,
unless it's amended by this body at a future date?
Yes. Okay. Alright.
The other, and,
and perhaps well let,
let me ask you about the parking spaces.
Let the non-accessible parking.
I know that there's been, you've, you've talked a number
of times about the number of spaces that our legacy
zoning ordinances require based on the size of a,
a particular development.
Now, in this case, the, the use case,
the business case here is changing.
Would that support perhaps a future variance?
Should you want to have a,
should the developer suggest an outlaw
development of some sort?
Uh, there were discussions regarding
that possibility.
There's plenty of room
and, uh, from what we can see, plenty
of parking spaces at this time.
Mm-hmm. So, uh, we, uh, it's been anticipated
and we'll, we'll see what happens in the future.
Okay. And so that, that possibility exists,
we may not have seen the end
of development on this site simply
because of what we're doing. Tonight's
A I hope so. I hope so.
Okay. And I say that
because I recognize different lots
and generally corner lots, and I frequently travel 10
and Ryan nine, and Ryan
and I see these very large lots that
for decades have never had full capacity at any point in
time where we have unused real estate potential
that we could rezone, provide for out lots
and additional taxable value for us.
Well, that's, that's true.
And when we changed the, uh, zoning ordinance regarding
retail space from, well, it was at one 50 per, uh,
one space for per space
and went to, uh, double that at 300.
Um, it was within a, a couple of years that if you notice
out lots have started to, uh, begin to form in, in various,
uh, uh, shopping centers.
So it, it's amazing how,
how it's improved things and development.
Very good. Very good.
Uh, I have no questions about the development itself.
Uh, I have some fond memories, uh, as a child, my exotic
and grandma would, would take me over
to the flea market on a Saturday afternoon.
Uh, so I'm very familiar with, uh, with the site.
Uh, wish, uh, the developer and, and your, your team.
A lot of good luck. Thank you
for investing in the city. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Anything further? Okay.
Hearing and seeing none, I will call the question.
You're on 10 a, uh, Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Uh, Mr. Newnan?
Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is 10 B,
which is a public hearing consideration
and adoption of a resolution approving the demolition
of a house and shed at 27 33 Marie
through the Nuisance Abatement program.
Uh, Mr. Lizza, can you give us a quick summary of this item?
Good evening counsel. Um, we have a city owned property
that we have owned for, I believe, since for eight years.
It's vacant and it is dilapidating
and it's pretty poor condition.
And I met with, uh,
hunter Menis from the economic development
and he said, yeah, this one is not viable for us.
And, uh, it's pretty good, poor condition.
So I brought it here tonight to,
for approval for demolition.
It's poor unbutton, not a very viable property.
Roof is rotted up roof, lower roof.
It's in poor condition.
Thank you. Um, there is no petitioner
'cause that is us, the city.
Uh, I will open the public hearing.
Is there anyone from the audience
who would like to speak on this matter?
I will close the public hearing and turn it over to counsel.
Motion to approve was Discussion Support Lafferty.
Discussion. Ms. Mark. Thank you Mr.
La Any idea
how much this demolition will cost?
Yeah. A lot
of these demos have probably gone
up when they used to be 10.
They're probably teetering more like 12,
13. I'm thinking Thousand.
They used to be four. Hmm. They used to be four.
Well, since I've been doing, lately they've been
around 10, eight to 10.
And now they're, they're,
I think they're ing more around 12,000.
I'm thinking 12 to depending on the size of the property.
Okay. Thank you. And the city does own this property?
Pardon Me? This is city owned? Yes.
Okay. Thank you. Okay.
Madam Chair, I would like to amend my motion to
transfer this property into the Land Bank.
Okay. I'll support that amendment.
Okay. Any other discussion? If I could just explain?
Sure. Um, we have funds available to us
for blade elimination,
and one of the things we can do is demolish houses.
Okay. And so
The motion.
Okay. And that, um, we have money available
to us for that.
And that's one way that the Land Bank can save the city
money because that's $12,000
that we probably will never see.
Um, and that we could save the city money.
And that's, you know, one benefit of the Land Bank
that we're able to do that.
So we're working on some other things right now because, um,
but we have to, um, it's blade elimination.
This is what that's considered.
Mr. Schroeder can clarify my motion.
Madam President Mr. Schroer, go ahead.
I would just recommend it as part of the motion
that the council authorize the transfer of this property
to the Land Bank for purposes of,
um, applying for this grant.
I believe we can apply for the grant
before the property's in the Land Bank,
but, um, you know, to give the, uh, land Bank
and the, uh, city Attorney's office discretion
to work out those details, but to authorize the transfer
for purpose of getting this grant and paying for this,
What he just said.
So, Mr. Nunan,
Okay. Uh,
my question was, would the city be able to recover
the, uh, cost when in the eventual sale of the property
for the demolition?
Or, uh, would there be a,
were you talking about a grant? I didn't really hear you.
The Land Bank has funds available to us that we,
if we have a projects we can apply to them
and draw down on some funds.
So the Land Bank would own the property
and we would demolish it, saving the city money.
The pro, the vacant lot would then belong to the Land Bank
to dispose of however we saw fit,
or if an opportunity came up.
Or it could be, you know, a dollar.
I don't know what the property is.
If it's next door to someone, maybe we sell it there
or whatever we do with it, but then it
takes it off the cities.
Well, I guess my question would be once we transfer it,
so now we transferred owners.
I mean, but our, the call, the question would stand,
we wouldn't have to rehear this
again 'cause it's a new owner.
No, we just, The call, the question would stand
Because the city, you as the city con any,
any city owned property can be
transferred into the Land Bank.
All right.
Sounds good. Mm-hmm.
Any other discussion?
Okay. Hearing
and seeing none, I will call the question on
the modified motion.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 10 C, which is a public hearing request
to vacate public utility easement
vacating the existing L-shaped 12 foot public utility
easement, abutting lot six through eight
of gratis industrial site subdivision located on the
southwest corner of 10 Mile
and Mound Roads, 24,925 Mound Road, along
with fifty eight hundred and fifty eight thirty ten Mile
Road, section 29, Sean Kza 10,
and Mound, LLC, Hayden, Cana, bd,
and e Group, PEV 25 0 0 0 2.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution.
Is anyone from the city able to summarize this matter?
Thank you, Madam President.
Uh, Ron W, planning director, uh, this, excuse me,
this, uh, vacation of this L-shaped, uh, piece of,
um, easement, so to speak, uh, is, uh, is necessary
for the development on the corner of the property at Mound
and, uh, 10 Mile Road.
It's the south and west corner.
They've already demolished the existing gas station.
We're gonna build another gas station,
but it's, uh, with a convenience store
and, uh, a couple of retail uses that will go in there.
But, uh, it's, the property's a little tight.
And this particular easement goes into the property,
uh, far enough where this needs
to be removed.
And then you'll see that there's, uh, a relocation, uh,
planned to have it relocated
and it would be relocated, uh, straight in line
with an existing easement that goes east and west.
You'd have to be out there on the property.
It's the south property line.
And, uh, so once that happens, uh, then they can go out
and, uh, of course start construction.
They've been after me, uh, quite a bit.
When is this gonna happen? So here we are finally.
They, we, we got it
before the planning commission, the planning, or
before the city council.
The Planning Commission recommends this, uh,
be approved. Any questions?
Thank you. No
Pressure. Go ahead Mr. Lap.
Thank you. Uh, MI Mr.
Wirth, the, the vacation of the
easement, there was an objection by DTE.
So are you suggesting that the realignment of the easement,
uh, with a, an adjacent easement satisfies
and, uh, they concur with, uh, with this plan?
Uh, yes. Exactly that.
That's, uh, they're registered, if you want
to call it a complaint.
It was a matter of explaining to them that the re the, uh,
relocation is what they were, uh, wanting,
needless to say, for this to work out without relocation.
Uh, then they would've, uh, simply said, uh, no,
we, we don't want this to happen.
We want to keep our existing, uh, easement, uh, in place
for our, uh, telephone poles.
That's what they have up above.
So, uh, the, like I said,
the relocation plans basically straightens out.
Mm-hmm. Uh, this, this easement
with along the south property line.
Alright. So, and,
Uh, and it's, it's a pr turns out to be a private easement
that, uh, they're, they're putting in for
that, for, for that purpose.
Alright. So that objection's been clarified with, with DTE
and, and all the, all other utilities?
Yes. Okay. I have no other questions.
Any other, sorry.
We are going to open, is the petitioner here? Yes.
Do you wanna say anything?
I could Probably give a little more
clarification with that.
Um, uh, AWA 2 8 1 2 4 Ultra Lake Road,
Farmington Hills, Michigan.
So there was a building, uh,
2 4 9 2 5 on the south side of the property.
So DTE, there's, uh,
the existing DT easement comes along the e the south
property line all the way down.
And when it hits the property, it jogs to the north
to avoid that building.
And this easement only, uh, was created
to pick up the utility post that fed the gas station.
So that building kind of, uh, forced the, uh,
current easement to go around the, to go around that going
through, uh, you know, the property.
So we've done, we've worked with DTE, they've
provided the easements, uh, to take that, um,
easement and push it to the south.
What's happening is, uh, the, the neighbor to the, to the,
to the west was happy
because that easement came off
his property when it jogged up.
And we assumed the whole entire easement on our property.
So it doesn't affect, uh, the people to the south.
Thank you. Thank You.
I will open the public hearing.
Is there anyone from the audience who would like
to speak on this matter?
Hearing and seeing none, I'll close the public hearing
and turn it over to counsel.
Motion to approve.
Support. Any additional discussion?
Hearing and seeing none? I'll call the question. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes.
Mr. Bokey? Yes. Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C as? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 A, which is approval
of a settlement pursuant
to the terms discussed in closed session.
Um, motion to approve also this item, um, when you vote.
Uh, yes. Um, there will be no reconsideration period.
Support Lafferty. Thank you for support.
I will call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 11 B. Resolution approving contract.
Addendum to contract WP 24 8 20 to add completion
of water main and pavement reconstruction project at
Potomac, Maryland, Rone and Champagne Avenues
and approval of immediate effect.
So moved. Uh, Madam Chair.
Uh, like the last item, um, they're hoping to, um,
embark on this endeavor in the morning.
So a reconsideration period would be waived by your vote.
Thank you. Still need a support. Support Lafferty.
Thank you Mr. Lafferty.
No discussion. So I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item. Thank you.
Before the next item. Madam Chair, if I may. Mr.
Wirth, could you stay for two more items really quick?
I'm, I'm gonna have just a real quick question for you.
Thank you. Uh, the next item is 12 A,
which is legal update from Mr. Schroeder.
Just a couple things.
Um, secretary Moore was talking earlier on the prior item
about the Blight Elimination grants for the Land Bank.
And, um, it's important
because this is grant money made available to the state, um,
in her capacity as land bank chairperson.
Uh, secretary Moore met with the director of the Land Bank,
who is making some funds available.
Um, so we don't wanna leave the money on the table, so
to speak, like we had to in the past with land bank funds.
So it's likely that, um, we will be coming back, uh,
with a proposal to spend more money of the grant money
to help eliminate blight in the city.
So we'll keep everyone updated on that.
We have to meet with the Land Bank
and button down some of the details,
but it'll be probably a really good project
to get this grant money to Blight Elimination.
And our goal is to utilize all the funds that are available
and even nothing on the table that could help help the city.
So we're looking forward to that project.
In addition to that, uh, my understanding,
and I see a planning director here, um,
January 22nd, is the date set for the joint meeting
of planning and zoning.
Um, it's believed it's hoped at that meeting
that they can discuss this zoning
overlay for the missing middle.
This, um, uh, important proposal
that came out of the planning office that is,
you know, catching on here.
And, uh, I think council needs to decide
what role it wants in this meeting.
If council just wants to attend and observe,
or if council wants an official role in this meeting.
'cause we're gonna have to work out the details.
We ultimately, the zoning overlay will have to be,
have a public hearing in front of count, uh, planning.
And the planning commission will have
to send over a recommendation.
The council will have its own meeting at a public hearing
to discuss and, and decide whether or not to adopt it.
So, um, I just want to make sure everyone's aware of
that this is important for the, uh,
workforce housing projects.
Not just the one that council approved for the,
the pilot project, the test run project,
but also for other, um, investors who want to come to Warren
and, and take advantage of this
or investors who are already here.
So, um, I think the council needs
to decide how that's gonna proceed.
Madam Chair, I don't know.
Maybe it's would be a good thing for you to be available.
Um, and I don't know if you think I should be there from the
Land Bank, if that would be,
'cause we're dealing with a lot of zoning issues that way,
and I don't know if there's anybody.
I think Mr. Bokey was actually, weren't you on sort
of a committee that was dealing with zoning and planning?
You were going to, I thought we voted on something a while
back to be sort of the council liaison to that.
I just don't remember MS. Camp. Do you remember? I'm sorry.
I was, I thought there was something that we voted on.
I don't remember a vote, but I do remember a committee a
whole regarding all this.
Right. I don't know. I thought we voted on
and I just remember, I thought it was you
because you'd been on zoning for some reason.
But I, I, my maybe my recalls in not Right.
I have a question. Uh,
the overlay is separate from the overhaul
of the zoning ordinance.
And do we have a status on that?
Uh, I think Mr. Wk might be able to address that,
but the, the answer is yes, it's different.
That would be a complete rewrite of the zoning ordinance.
This is a zoning overlay district, which, um,
will be discussed at this meeting.
Um, but it's, they're different.
That doesn't mean the zoning overlay won't continue once the
zoning ordinance is Yeah. Revised.
Mr. Wirth, can you send us an update on where we're at
with the zoning ordinance?
You don't, you don't have to get up this evening.
If you just send it to council office. I, we we'll do it.
Okay. I can talk about a, a little bit.
Um, at our last, uh, uh, internal meeting
for the review of the zoning ordinance, we spent most
of the time talking about the zoning overlay
and, uh, questions asked, uh, uh,
and, and trying to, uh, work out some
of the tougher parts to it.
Uh, Michelle Cater Potti, uh,
has done an extensive amount of work on that.
And so one's kind of busy right now.
So after this week, I want to get with her
and, uh, improve on, on what,
uh, was proposed.
But just one thing
that you should understand about the zoning overlay,
there's a, it's an overlying zone.
That's what that would be.
But then there's the remaining underlying zone.
And I think some of you are, are, have been
around long enough to remember the downtown
overlying zones
and the underlying zones that we, uh, had to work with.
And, uh, it gets a little confusing sometimes,
but, uh, during, with that,
but this here, uh, had experience with that,
so we can try and make this a lot easier.
But, uh, uh, we, we'll see the,
the petitioner's gonna have to put that forth.
I mean, we're, we have internal people working on that,
but that, uh, uh, that person's gonna have to, an
outside person is gonna have to provide that, uh,
to the attorney's office so that we can go
through the process of, uh, planning, commission review,
and hopefully, uh, uh, recommend approval
and then city council.
So that's a little bit of a update,
but we're moving along on it.
Thank you. Okay.
Mr. Schroer, you still your update? I'm done. You're done.
Okay. Um, motion to receive a file. Thank you.
Support Lafferty. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay.
Thank you. Next item.
Next item was tabled 1125.
2025, which was approval of the minutes
of November 18th, 2025.
Motion to res move from the table. Support.
Uh, let's see. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?
Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Item is off the table. Motion to approve
Support Dwyer.
Discussion, hearing, and scene? None.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 C. Approval of the minutes of November 25.
2025. So moved. Support Lafferty.
Discussion, hearing, and scene? None.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is Council Secretary Mindy Moore.
Discussion and right implementation
of open government ordinance.
Motion to approve support. Lafferty Madam Chair.
Uh, discussion Ms. Moore? Yes.
Um, there are many, many, um, violations
of ordinance 80 dash 815, which is the, um,
ordinance relating to open government.
Some of these things are really simple and,
and one of the things right now
that I have noticed is on the city's website, there is
no expiration terms for any of the commissioners.
Um, we sent over, um, ZBA to have our, um,
expiration dates.
It's in the ordinance. It's very simple to do.
And, but I think we should know when the expiration dates,
we need to know which commissioners are, uh, um, serving,
uh, in an expired term.
It also lets people see when a term is,
and maybe they see somebody's term is coming to an end
and they wanna apply for that.
But we should be able to look at that
and find out what's coming up.
Um, that, um, there are, uh, several other items here.
Um, I don't know if they're doing this.
Um, but every, all, um, meeting minutes
of all commissions are to be given to the clerk's office,
and they are to be, um, on file.
Um, they and almost, you know, many other cities.
Um, you can go on the city's website
and get the minutes to any commission.
You can get a copy of any ordinance.
You can get minutes
of the bodies going back years and years.
I don't know why we're hiding things.
This is the open government ordinance
because we don't want to operate in the dark
behind closed doors.
This is information that we should be able to see.
This is information that the residents should be
able to see.
Um, if there's any audio
or video recording of a meeting, it's supposed to be posted
and available within five business days.
Um, so I,
and all meeting agendas are supposed
to be prepared in advance of any meeting.
Um, there's, the backup is supposed
to be provided in advance.
Um, and the minutes are to be posted
and available within eight business days
of any meeting pursuant to the Open Meetings Act.
So, I, I, I don't know what the holdup is.
Um, the mayor's office has
that information when they send it over.
It has the expiration date on our documentation now.
I mean, I suppose we could do it if
nobody else is gonna do it.
Um, but I'm not so sure if we send it over
to communications, if they will put
that information on the website
without the mayor's approval.
And apparently she has doesn't want the public
to see that information.
I don't know why it should be a secret.
Um, It, it's just,
it's mind boggling
to me why there is absolutely no transparency.
This is the least transparent
administration I have ever seen.
So I just don't understand.
And I would request, um, Ms.
Ms, um, camp, can you send another copy of this over,
um, to the mayor's office when you send the results and,
and you know, maybe, maybe Ms.
Michaels could go over and read the words
and go line by line.
And so the mayor's office understands
what these obligations are.
This is an ordinance. People have to follow the ordinance.
We make residents follow ordinances.
We should be following them.
And all of us, there's oversights all the time.
And I'm not saying that all
of us don't make a mistake at times
and we forget to do things.
I do, Mary does. We all do.
But this is a concerted effort, it seems to me,
to hide this information because it's going on and on.
It's just not one thing that was left off.
So that would be my request, is to send over this
to the administration, ask them
to please follow this ordinance
because that would be my motion to ask to send it over
and to request the mayor to start following that.
Any other discussion? I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Laffy? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey?
Yes. Mr. Newan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C as? Yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is, um,
12 e Council secretary discussion
regarding the TAP grant from EM.
Cog Motion to approve a discussion.
Support Lafferty Discussion. Ms. Moore. Mr.
Wirth, do you, are you aware whether this TAP grant from
semcog refers to that 2.3 miles that goes from Stevens down
to Outer Drive?
Really?
Because That would, that, that would,
that would take place in the Van D**e corridor, right?
Or not? No, no.
That's south of the Van D**e corridor. Correct.
I know that Simco tap TAP, right? Yeah.
They, they have all kinds of different TAP grants, uh,
available, but, uh, no, I'm not, uh,
Because we were invited to a, we were invited
to a presentation council.
I don't know what date it was. It's next week sometime.
And I looked online and the only grant I can find is
for the Counter Creek connection for, um,
that 2.3 mile expansion.
Um, so I, I, I kind of wanted to know about I I understand.
If you don't know about it,
I'm not gonna bother you anymore.
No, I do not know
About it. Okay. Sorry.
I'm surprised though.
I would think that that would be,
planning might come into that at some point.
It, uh, well, may
Be maybe.
Um, anyway, thank you. And thank you for waiting around.
Sure. But it was my understanding that
if this is the same project, this Connor Creek connection,
it was approved by, um, the city council.
But at the time, I
believe, I don't miss Michaels.
Maybe you'll have to do some research,
but I believe as part of the motion,
it was contingent upon there being an intergovernmental
or interlocal agreement between Warren and Detroit.
And I have, um, searched and I haven't seen any agreement.
I, but I have limited time.
'cause I just found out about this today
and started doing a little research
and, you know, talked to some folks
that were around back then.
So I don't know if this is, you know, it's,
it's the Counter Creek connection.
It's the bike, you know, has to do
with bike lanes and things like that.
And I don't know if that's the grant.
I don't know how much it is or anything like that,
or what's to be done, but I would just, if Ms.
Michaels, if you could check on that and maybe Ms.
Camp could go back and find what the minutes actually say.
Um, but
I don't think it's Done.
But that's just, I, I just wanted to start a dialogue
because if we're getting a grant on it, I wanna make sure
that we've got this buttoned up
and we know what we're doing.
And I think this is, I not exactly what this is doing,
but anyway, thank you.
That's it, Mr. Elli. Do you know?
Okay. Well they're having a presentation on the
19th or something and, but they didn't give any details.
They just said it was a tap
and the only thing I found Semcog was this Connor Creek.
And I don't know if we got money before if we did anything.
Yeah, that's what it's, I think that's what it's,
Oh, it's the Stevens two.
It's Not the outer drive or something else.
It's not, it's not that. I was trying to see
The other one I found on their website.
Good evening, everybody. Uh, as the Iron Bell
from Center line to Warren to Detroit.
Mm-hmm. And then I think she was talking about there was
another one that went from Stevens to Roseville
to Sterling Height or to St.
CLA Shores. But I think that was a different grant.
I don't think, think that was a tap grant.
Okay. Um, to be honest, I'm sorry. I,
I don't remember us approving anything.
Um, and this is the only thing
that counsel has ever approved.
So if there's something new counsel's gonna have
to approve it, but I don't remember seeing, um,
Am I place a pass with no discussion?
Oh, this is for the Pedestrian bridge.
Pedestrian bridge tap grant
On Chicago.
Yeah. Fabulous. There we go. Fantastic. Yeah,
Tina's watching at home, apparently. Oh,
Good. Well
that's fantastic.
That's, we've wanted that for a long time. It's a community
Center. Do you know how much
that is?
Uh, I don't to Ask our ask our home watcher
1.2 million, see if she responds. Okay. It's
About 1.2 million. We
thought it was gonna be about a million dollars to,
I I know it was just over a million dollars,
but I think that 0.2, I believe, I think that was
with the purchase of the land though as well. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Because we already bought the land, didn't we? Right?
Mm-hmm. We Did.
Okay. Oh, that's very cool. Okay.
I'm very happy about that. Yeah. Yay. Thank you. Power
The power of live tv.
I know, right? Thank you. Thank you, Tina.
I need to further Ms. Morris. No, thank you.
Uh, do you just want a motion and receive a file? Yep.
Yep, yep. Yep. Fabulous. Uh, all in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Okay. Next item. Next item is 13,
a consideration and adoption of a resolution
authorizing the issuance of 2026,
capital improvement bonds in the amount
of $23,100,000. So moved.
Support Lafferty,
Discussion, hearing, and scene.
None. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 B.
Request of the information systems department
to approve an award of DA Central
for furnishing a one year service warranty
for the city's a Avigilon system in the amount of $28,500
consideration and adoption of a resolution.
So moved. Support, support, Dwyer. Discussion.
Discussion. I will, uh, yield the support
to my colleague Mr. Dwyer.
Discussion. Mr. Lafferty. And then Mr. Newnan.
Thank you. The, uh,
and I'm not sure, I don't see anybody from, uh, is that can,
can answer this, but perhaps
Table it.
Well, I, the, and here's my concern.
My, my first concern, this agreement begins January 1st.
And we're sitting here at, at the 9th of December.
We've had this discussion
before where counsel's given very little time to
consider contracts where it may be necessary.
Now, this is not this, I've read through this.
This is not a critical contract,
but it is something
that they do have based on, uh, timeframe.
It's a one year agreement.
Just last meeting, I asked about multi-year agreements so
that we could have, uh, better pricing negotiate with
supplier, and we have been since 2016,
unifying our camera systems through a single supplier,
which is good practice.
We have one system, one support model.
It makes financial sense,
but the, the issue I have, number one is, uh,
does this match our, our losses with the system?
Have we experienced significant outages
that would require us
to spend almost 30 grand on an annual basis, uh,
that would require this, this type of support model?
And if not, uh, is, are there other,
uh, options available?
So what I'd like to ask with, if we're going
to approve this tonight to request the time
and materials history to Avalon
and have that submitted to counsel for consideration,
when this comes back, I'd like to see a multi-year agreement
for starting in 26, 27
and, uh, bring that forward for, uh,
consideration no later than September 1st, 2026.
So that is a, do you wanna make that as an amendment to
Your Yes, I do. To the motion.
Uh, Ms. Moore, Mr. Dwyer,
are you comfortable with those amendments?
No objection. I'm fine. Okay. Uh, any other discussion, Mr.
Newnan? Sorry, you don't mind.
Well, In the queue,
Co Councilman Lafferty, I want to thank you
for bringing up what I was planning on, on saying
that seems like a lot of money.
I, uh, did a little math
and it's, um, $129
and 55 cents per camera for the 200 some cameras.
It, it cameras themselves should last
for like 10 years, I hope, on average.
Um, so to totally replace 'em,
you could pretty much replace 'em, I think every year
for the amount of this contract.
Now, they're, it does go into how there's, um,
cloud storage, I guess, of the video information.
And I'm wondering, um, who is monitoring it
or who is able to access the video, um,
for whatever purposes we would ever want to, I suppose if,
if, uh, there was a trip
and fall accident, we could see exactly how did that happen,
if it's, uh, you
know, things like that.
I'm, I'm wondering what the total purposes of it is
and why it should have to require this contract.
But anyways, uh, thank you. I take it to,
Hi, Mr. Fox. You
Come up to answer.
Good evening Counsel. I just wanted to bring up the fact
that one of the reasons why it's a one year agreement is
that the term has been up, it's been 10 years,
so we're gonna do an RFP
and then next time it'll be a longer period of time. Oh.
Oh, Okay. That makes a
Difference. That is an important
point to note.
Yeah. Thank you. Mr.
Lafferty, do you wanna amend the motion then?
Well, that will, that will satisfy the, the, uh, terms
of my request if it's going to go back out, bid the,
but, and to Mr.
Newnan's point, uh, if I may, Madam Chair. Mm-hmm.
The, with a support agreement,
you don't necessarily divide by the number of devices, uh,
with respect, uh, to your question, the, these cameras
can be several thousand dollars a piece, so
that's not covered in the agreement.
Anything. If this is the labor for them to come out,
diagnose the problems, and then if there's an issue, if
that device is no longer under warranty,
then we would purchase a new camera.
That would be over and above what we're paying here.
This is the service agreement.
Oh, okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Anything further, Mr. Dunan? Okay. Um, Mr.
Lafferty, are we going back to the original motion?
Yes. Okay. I, I will withdraw my amendment.
Thank you, Ms. Yeah. And Ms. Moore and Mr.
Dwyer are good with that. Sounds good.
Um, any other discussion? No, ma'am. Okay.
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries.
Next item 13 C, request of 37 District court
for an increase in budgeted revenues
and appropriations in the amount of $16,520.
To account for the receipt of a grant
for the Michigan Drug Court grant program consideration
and adoption of a resolution. So moved.
Support Dwyer.
Discussion, hearing, and scene.
None. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 D.
Request of the city controller
for an adjustment in budgeted revenues
and appropriations for Inju Defense Special Revenue Fund in
the amount of $702,031 14 cents.
This request is needed to account for the receipt
of indigent defense grant agreement
and to transfer budgeted appropriations in the amount
of $123,408 57 cents to comply
with state law consideration
and adoption of resolution. So moved.
Support Newnan. Any
discussion, hearing, and scene?
None. I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Newnan?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 E, which was tabled to the last meeting.
Request of the fire department to waive the bid process
and authorize the award for live fire training classes
to Oakland Community College in the amount of $21,000.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution.
Motion to receive, remove from the table. Support.
Uh, I'll call the question
and remove the item from the table.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is Yes.
Items off the table?
Items Motion to approve Support. Dwyer.
Uh, discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 F.
Request of the fire department to authorize the purchase
of PPE turnout gear from Muni Municipal
Emergency Services, Inc.
Through March of 2028, in an amount not to exceed $400,000
consideration and adoption of a resolution.
So moved. Support Lafferty discussion,
hearing, and seeing none.
I'll call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 G.
Request to approve an RFP
for Citywide HVAC Maintenance Services
and to appoint one council representative
Support Newan.
Um, I'm willing to be that person if you'd
Like. Motion to
approve Mr. Newan. Oh, to be on the RFP. Oh. Okay.
Support Lafferty. Thank you. There you go.
Uh, I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan?
Yep. Ms. McGee? Yes. See is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is audience participation for general topics.
Okay. She's not sure about Mr. Vander London.
Joel, do you wanna speak during audience? Okay.
What are you feeling? Okay. Okay.
Um, Gary, uh,
there is no members for audience.
That is the end of audience. Madam Chair.
Next item is council response to audience.
I would like to respond Uhhuh, if I may. Yes.
Um, one of the items that remains on the tabled consent item
is the purchase of four BMW motorcycles
for the police department.
And I did see, I saw that it was,
there were was only one bid uh, answer.
Um, but the, and so I was concerned that only BMW responded,
but apparently the request was for BMWs.
Um,
IBMW is a German company.
They're not made in this country.
Um, Harley Davidsons are, um, I think
that we should reexamine that,
and I think that we should be trying
to buy American when we can.
Um, we live in the city that lives
and dies with the auto manufacturers.
So I think that in every situation where we can,
we should be supporting the companies
that are the money's going back to this country
and that most
of the vehicles are manufactured in this country.
Um, I think that supports our people, our residents, um,
the region, the state,
and that I did some exam.
I'm not an expert in motorcycles,
but I don't think we are doing high performance anything.
Um, and in fact, maintenance a little is a little bit
cheaper on the American made Harley Davidsons.
Um, I'm not an, I'm not an expert,
but I think that, um, we should reexamine that
and seriously consider buying American.
Um, and I just think it's the right thing to do.
Um, we didn't ask for a blanket for motorcycles.
Give us your best bid. We asked for those.
So I, I would ask them to look again at that
and consider buying American.
I think that's, I think that's the set, the standard
that we should set here.
Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Moore.
Any other responses?
Well, mini Bikes. Hmm. Mini, no mini bikes. American.
Okay. Next item. Next item is adjournment. So moved.
Support Dwyer. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Goodnight.
Everyone. Remember meeting Monday?
Yeah. It wasn't bad.