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Roll call Commissioner
Present. Commissioner
Hollow Present.
Commissioner Hawk present.
Commissioner Dee Present, commissioner Maurice Present,
commissioner Beki present, commissioner Smith, present,
Uh, approval of the agenda Chair.
I make a motion to approve the agenda
Support Maury As a motion
by Commissioner Hollow Wadi support by Commissioner Maury.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Approval of the minutes of January 12th, 2026.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to,
to approve the minutes
Support. Maury
Has a motion by Commissioner Deday,
supported by Commissioner Maury.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Um, let's see. Let's see.
I see our Xs. Okay. Okay. Public hearing Item six, a
Public hearing Item six.
A site plan for the addition of a minor repair facility
and a storage of inventory
and supplies for an existing gas station
located on the northwest corner of Hoover
and nine mile roads.
2 3 0 1 1 Hoover Road, section 27, Abba Razzi,
Harley, and nine mile
and Hoover Property L-L-C-P-S-P 2 5 0 0 4 5.
This was postponed from December 1st, 2025.
Planning staff recommends this item to be farther postponed
to February 23rd, 2026.
Thank you.
I need a motion to postpone, postpone this item
to February 23rd, 2026.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion
that we postpone this item until February 23rd.
Support by an answer
Is the motion by Commissioner dse, supported
by Commissioner Ansar to postpone this item
to February 23rd, 2026. Roll call.
Commissioner Doe. Yes.
Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow?
Yes. Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Shori votes? Yes.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To postpone the February 23rd, 2026 item six B
Item six B site plan for a gas station
with convenience store located on the northeast corner
of Mount and 13 mile roads.
3 1 1 0 4 Mount Road section four, Michael Wigan,
Wigan, and Gazebo real Estate Josh Burton.
And agree convenience non one L-L-C-P-S-P
2 5 0 0 5 0 postponed from
December 15th, 2025 and January 12th, 2026.
Planning staff recommends this item to be part
of their postponed to February 9th, 2026. Thank you.
Okay. We did receive some correspondence, but
because it's been posted on the February 9th, 2026,
we'll hold this correspondence until the next meeting.
Good idea. So I need a, need a motion to,
I'll make a motion that we postpone, uh, uh,
six B until February 9th.
Support by an answer six
B no. Six B
Oh is six B.
Okay. There's a motion by Commissioner Zay,
supported by Commissioner Ansar. Roll call
Commissioner Zay.
Yes. The postponed Commissioner. Answer
Yes to Postpone. Commissioner
Hollow. Yes. To Postpone.
Commissioner Hawk. Yes.
Commissioner more votes? Yes. Commissioner Beki? Yes.
To postpone Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To Postpone. Postpone the February 9th, 2026.
Item number six C,
Item number six C, request to vacant public alley.
The existing east and west.
20 feet wide public alley abiding lots.
Eight to 21, 58
and 59 of heats Fairway subdivision located a hundred
feet north of eight Mile Road between Wellington
and Earl Avenues.
1 4 0 4 9 8 mile road, also known
as 1 4 0 1 7 1 4 0 1 9
and 1 4 0 3 3 8 Mile Road,
2 0 7 5 1 Elroy Avenue
and 2 0 7 4 0 Wellington Avenue, section 36.
Fred Buggati and Fred's unique furniture.
Anna Maria Rodier
and Fred's unique Furniture
Pav 2 5 0 0 0 1. Thank you.
Good evening. Is the petitioner here this evening?
Good evening. So you wanna
tell us a little bit about your project?
Good evening to you guys.
My name is Fred Baghdadi.
I'm the owner of Fred's Unique Furniture
14 0 9 1 East Ama Road.
Thank you for your time for being here for, for me today.
Um, started my business, 1982.
We were, um, we, nature of the business I'm in,
we buy and sell furniture.
So we were taking it at time
and we, you know, we putting the stuff outside display.
Lately, uh, they closed the Salvation Army
and people have been dropping off furniture at my store.
No one that is gonna go to a good home.
I'm not in control of it anymore.
It's been a problem for me for the city closing the alley.
It's benefit everybody.
Um, people been staying behind, uh,
the alley they dump in furniture.
It just, it's just too much.
I'm having a problem with the city,
with the fire department and the zoning.
We just wanna be able to close the alley and clean it up.
Thank you sir. Thank you. Correspondence.
Correspondence, taxes current assessing The assessing
department does not see any issues
with the alley vacation located on eight Mile
and Arrow Streets.
If you need any additional, additional information,
please feel free to contact The assessing office Building
Building department has no exceptions.
Uh, engineering preliminary review
of this site indicates no difficulty in develop
development police.
The Warren Police Department does not foresee any problems
with vac vacating.
The public alley at t at t does not object to the vacation
as long as full width utility easement is reserved.
Comcast, in response to your utility request for the
above project, please refer to the test map for the location
of Comcast CATV and fiber facilities.
Aerial cables are highlighted in orange for fiber
and yellow for Coke's.
Cable underground is highlighted in blue for fiber
and green for Coke's cable.
If we can be of further assistance, please feel free
to contact us by email at
CCC utility request@timsigma.com.
DT e DTE Electric Company has received
and reviewed request to vacate public alley.
DT Electric Company has no objection to the request
to vacate public alley
impacting 1 4 0 4 9 8 mile road, also known as
1 4 0 1 7 1 4 0 1 9
and 1 4 0 3 3 8 mile road,
2 0 7 5 1 Elroy Avenue
and 2 0 7 4 0 Wellington Avenue,
section 36 per the site plan provided.
As long as the existing utilities are not impacted.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at
5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8
M The site is not on MDOs right away.
Any work driveway modification, sidewalk work,
water main tap, sanitary tap drainage
and et cetera on MDOs right away
or changes to the drainage
that may impact MDOs system will require
a permit. Thank you.
Thank you. Playing department's recommendation.
Thank you. I'm, I'm sorry.
Playing department's recommendation.
Thank you. Uh, Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the existing east west,
20 foot wide public alley abutting lots eight through 21
and lots 58 through 59 of Heath
Fairview subdivision located 100 feet north of eight mile
between Wellington and Elroy.
Avenues be vacated subject
to the petitioner complying with the conditions imposed
as follows.
Number one, uh, the Land Division Act, uh,
includes various procedures pertaining to the amendment
of plats and the petitioner is responsible for complying
with any further procedures
as may be necessary under Michigan Land Division Act.
Uh, MCL 5 6 0
0.222 complete the vacation
a number two approval is, uh, obtained from City Council.
Uh, the petitioner shall complete the conditions within two
years, uh,
or the approval of
by city council shall automatically be revoked.
Number three, a complaints shall be filed
by the petitioner in Circuit Court, uh,
to vacate the public utility easement.
No, we're not vacating the public utility easement
to vacate the public alley.
Uh, change that. Sorry about that.
Uh, as part of the proceedings, uh, in Circuit court,
a new revised site, uh, subdivision plat shall be prepared
rec, uh, reflecting the changes.
Uh, the revised plat shall be recorded
with the Macomb County Register of Deeds.
As an alternative, the, uh, petitioner may
by non-judicial process relinquish
the public alley by written agreement, uh, between, uh,
certain affected parties, a copy of the court order
for relinquishment and the recorded documents that shall be
provided to the planning department, assessing department,
department of law, building division, and the city clerk.
Number four, the petitioner shall provide the planning
department with documentation indicating that all conditions
as assigned are completed.
Uh, the department then notifies the city clerk
that a certified copy of the resolution shall be recorded
with the Macomb County Register deeds.
So with with those changes, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you Mr. Worth. Thank you. This is a public hearing.
Anybody would like to comment on this item? Please come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Good evening.
Good evening. Um, thank you for asking for our,
um, thoughts and opinions.
So I'm speaking on behalf of my dad, um, Amir Zacharias.
So he owns, um, that 15 nine Walton.
Um, and if he does close that public alley
or if it goes vacant, it'll block like the garage way.
So my dad just concerned about that.
So it won't be able, like, we won't be able to enter it,
um, in the garage.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
You. Anyone
else like to speak on this item?
Seeing none will turn over to the commission
Chair. I make a
motion to approve a discussion
Support Mr.
Chairman,
A motion by Commissioner Holloway, support
by Commissioner Doe Discussion, go ahead.
Okay. Can the petitioner step forward please?
Yes. Good evening, sir. Good evening
To you. Yeah.
Uh, have you discussed this as you see now?
Just now, uh, that behind you, the neighbor? Yeah. Yes, sir.
Has a garage. Is there something maybe you could Yes,
I discuss and maybe you could work out between the two be
so he can be good neighbors. Uh,
Absolutely. And, um,
he really doesn't live there.
It's, it's a rental property
and I've been watching the whole section of the,
the east side of the property.
I've been watching it all the time where cars, he,
he never saw how much problem
that we can have in the alley if we don't close it.
Mm-hmm. I was willing to pay for it myself and put a gate
and he's welcome to use to have the key for the gate to open
and close this much, whatever he likes.
I make sure it's better for him, better for me.
I'm paying for it better for everybody.
Better for City Warren, for the police department.
We don't want people sleeping in the alley.
It's just so much going on on that on eight mile strip.
And my neighbor does not live there.
He knows, but it's a rental property,
but it's honestly in the,
in the long run it's gonna be better for him.
Okay. And me. Okay. And the neighborhood.
Okay. Thank you sir. Only
Problem. I'm paying for it. No,
Sounds like a good idea to me.
I, I thank you sir. The floor.
Anyone else, Mr. Chairman?
Yes, sir. Um, I don't, uh,
the request is the, the between Wellington
and Elroy and the drawing
is Walter Street and Raymond Street.
Um, which one is it
That, it's So
Good.
Um, the names over time have changed.
You're looking at the historic plat map
and many plat maps have a different
street name than they are.
They are today. They've changed over time. Okay.
But that's the, this is the plat map
as it was originally platted
and the current street names are what you see on the,
in the recommendation and the finding.
Okay. Uh, thank you
Wellington and, and, um, Elroy.
So that's the current street names. Yes.
'cause I was trying to get down there
and I was not that successful going around
and around, so on
and uh, in the snow, um,
is well half of the alley belong
to him and half the alley belonged to 50 58 and 59.
Well, he owns majority of this.
He owns around 58, all the south building.
The only property owned by somebody else is 59.
So that's the only area that would go half to those.
That owner, if this gets approved the rest,
he would get the full width of it on the east side
and then half of the south side.
Alright. Very good. Thank you very much. Thank you Mr.
Chairman. Thank you sir. Anyone else like to comment?
Yes, Mr. Chair? I do.
Um, parishioner, um, as you mentioned in your speech, um,
that you will agree with the gate
and you will hand over a key to them.
So
I, I would definitely do whatever it takes to make my,
my neighbor comfortable and we both look out for each other,
but he really does not know what's going on in the middle
of the night in that whole alley.
So if we, if we close the alley,
it's gonna be just much better for him.
Yeah. As you already heard that, um,
our planning department, she said, uh, 59 LA 59 half
of the alley is your a year
and half of the Ellie, it goes to them
because they own this property.
So at the same time, you know, uh,
you were just talking about the safety.
Yes, we agree. At the same time we have to see that, uh,
the property 59 he own. So he,
If he's got any ideas
or any, I'm willing to work with him, whatever he likes, um,
he's gonna have, like I said, he's gonna have a gate
to get in and get out
and it's a rental property, so I'm not sure
how he's gonna work it with the new,
you know, with the rental. But
Alright. We,
I, the reason I end up buying all these property
for protection for safety
and now we getting to that point where, you know,
you've got a rental property, you got problems
with people, drugs, death.
That's why we end up with all this.
So it's a neighborhood watch. We all watch for each other.
Yeah, sure. Thank you.
Um, or uh, Ron, I have a question
for you, please.
Yes. Yeah. Is there any way we can uh,
we can do some kind of gate
and hand up our key to the resident so that way you know,
he can and you know, get access, uh, to the, to his garage.
What we can do is make it a condition.
Yes. Since the petitioner, I'll just say Fred here, uh,
as indicated, that's exactly what he do.
Gate lock and key.
Um, this has been done at, uh,
a couple other places in town seems to work just fine
as long as, uh, the, uh, other, uh, owner, uh,
is accepts it.
Yeah. I think, I think that this will be a, a best,
best thing if we can add this condition, we put it
Yeah. And we can put it in
in the recommendation
that just says he's got to do that.
Yes. Yes, please. Absolutely.
Yes. Can you add this, uh, in the recommendation so
that way you know, it's he got his access
to the, to guys. Yes,
Exactly.
Absolutely. Thank you. Alright.
Thank anyone else Mr. Chair, if I may go ahead.
Um, I know it's, uh,
before we add this in, the recommendation,
I just me glancing over in the audience,
I think the other owner and Pauly has something to say.
So how do you make sure he's on board with it?
How? Yes. Like do we get his yes or no approval
or call him up to the podium right now
and ask, or you should,
You should bring him forward.
Mm-hmm. If he's not prepared to answer
or say anything about it at this time, table it.
Okay. Uh, and until he is, until he can come forward
at the next meeting. So why don't,
Yeah, I, Mr.
Chair, if we can call one of the audience up in this,
Well the audience participation has been closed.
Mm-hmm. But I don't know if these are the owners or not.
This, They claimed us,
This is part of the plaintiff
Information, but they, but they came up
and they said what they had to say.
All we're doing is responding to what they had to say.
Yes. But I, we can we get
confirmation if they're the owner.
'cause if I'm not mistaken, they mentioned that
it's closing up their garage.
So if they're there renters,
then we should contact them. But
Maybe be close up the garage if
they close off the old alley.
But they're still gonna have half the
alley to get into the garage.
But it's gonna be going through the whole alley.
No, they enter from the other side.
They're not gonna come through the other all
through the alley just to get to the garage.
Be easier. They're right there by the street.
Where would the gate be if the gate was to go up
to the petitioner please?
If you were to put a gate up in there, where,
which side would the gate be?
What? On, on the side of Wellington and the side of Elroy.
So both sides. So they won't have an access,
Right? They both have access
to anything he wants.
Yeah. Without a key.
They won't have access to their garage.
He will, he could actually have one. He'll get a
Key. He get one key.
Yes. But I think before we add it, my, what I'm trying
to say is that when we add this as a recommendation,
we should also get the approval of the owner
before we add it as a recommendation, right? Yes. Go
Ahead, Mary Chair.
Um, the owner will be notified when a court action is filed.
Mm-hmm. The owner will be notified of the proceeding.
Okay. So we are able to make that change
and add it as a recommendation even without
speaking with the owner first.
Absolutely. Because it's for the benefit of a neighbor.
Okay. Okay. Whatever that is. Correct. But, so
I mean, if I can only show you how many videos we got,
what's going on in the alley most of the time,
but I don't know what,
what would be the solution except closing the alley when he
needs to use the garage.
He can just pull right in.
He's gonna have a key, it's gonna be a simple
garage, uh, gate opening.
It's not like gonna be a problem at all.
Alright. Plus it's a rental property.
I'm not sure who you're gonna rent it out to.
That's, that's my concern really,
Mr.
My daughter.
Well,
So, uh, he doesn't want a gate by the door
because then he has to go through the gate to get
to the garage, which is just inconvenient to that um, area.
Every time he'll go in the garage
or need to go in the house, the garage, he has to go through
that gate to get to the house.
That's what he's saying.
So Yeah, he doesn't agree with the, the idea.
Uh, I, I think I would like,
excuse me, I would like to explain it's not like going into
the house, it's just the alley gonna be shut down.
Not the front of the house,
just it's not in the front of the house. It's chair
On side.
Mr. Chair. May I?
Hello. Okay. We've had some discussion on that.
He's closing off half the alley, so
we could probably make it so the fence isn't where
his half is fenced in.
We can have his half fenced in to
where he got access without the gate
would be for the rest of the alley.
The petitioner.
So you're saying the gate wouldn't be in like
that house area?
Well, until he, until he gets a drawing
and how the gate's gonna be constructed.
We don't know exactly where the gate is gonna be.
All we know is that half that the owner of that lot
has half of that alley to do what he wants
to do if he can't build anything in it.
But he could have access to that half of the alley to get
to what he has to get to.
Okay.
I think we can have a conversation back with
The petitioner Hello? And
not have them included. Hello? Excuse me. Okay.
The petitioner, uh, what you need to do
because right now as far as details of the gate
and all that kind of stuff, he has to be discussed with
the owner that owns the other property
and you guys can get together
and make the decision where the gate is gonna go.
Right now he's trying to get the alley vacated
and that's all we're concerned about right now.
As far as where Gate's gonna go, Vince's gonna go, the owner
of the property at 59 has half of that alley.
So however they decide to do it.
So he has half the alley,
that's the way it'd have to be done.
Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank
You.
Okay.
Any other questions? Mr. Chairman?
Uh, is this blue that was just done?
I guess, uh, if that signifies
how it's gonna be then that's fine.
Yeah. Then he doesn't have a gate
and it's opened up to his garage.
Right, right. But he's got 10 feet of the alley. Right.
Right. Okay.
Whether he he knows what's going on or not, is
Thank you. Any other discussion?
So, Good catch. That was a motion by Mr.
Hollow, Wadi supported by commissioner. Mr.
Mr. Chair. I just wanna confirm that.
Are we adding, uh, this in our, in our recommendation that,
you know, the gate is gonna be there and with the low key
or without this
You can, we can add it to the recommendation. The, so
We are, we Has the key for that particular gate.
Yes. But if they don't close it in, he won't even to key the
Gate. That's right. All I'm
trying to clear this.
Are we approving this
with the recommendation? The gate or all,
All we're approving is the vacation of the alley,
how it gets vacated as far as fence and stuff like that?
That's not, we're not dealing with that right now.
We just, we're just dealing with the vacation
of the alley. Okay. She
Wants to say attorney, Go ahead. Sorry
If I may, Mr. Chair, there
are two more proceedings
after this recommendation.
It'll go to counsel, it'll go to court.
My recommendation is if there's a condition that access be
provided to lot 59
so it could access the garage.
We don't know exactly the details of how
that access will look because it might change along the way.
It sounds like it may. Yeah. That, that's my recommendation.
Just that if there's a condition that access be
provided to the, the neighboring lot.
Yes. Okay.
If I may. So do we want to add that condition to, uh,
the recommendation?
Mr. Mr. Chair? Yes sir.
If I may talk about this a little bit.
How, if, if we say nothing, alright, then it's up
to Fred.
He, he put a gate at the east end.
That's his property he owns on both sides
and fence on both sides.
And then coming down to this man's property,
he could fence down the middle of the alley.
Mm-hmm. Providing that man, uh,
a 10 foot way to the garage.
Okay. Mm-hmm. And,
and Fred is gonna put a gate on his side
of the 10 foot area and then the other side will be open
because this gentleman may not want a gate.
That was one of the things. Okay.
He didn't want to have to keep opening
and closing the gate and all that.
Could be open all the time.
Sort of defeats the, the, uh, security, uh, part of this.
'cause somebody could then get down
that 10 foot strip halfway.
But that's beside the point.
That's if he wants, if they can work it out,
maybe we leave this the way it is.
If they can work it out, maybe
by the time they get to city council,
I think that's a fair. Okay.
Alright. Mr. So right now, maybe just leave it alone.
Okay. Thank you. Thank You.
Okay. That was a, uh, motion by Commissioner Hollow,
supported by Commissioner Zey. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Ddue. Yes. Commissioner I? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk. Yes. Mor votes. Yes. Commissioner Beki?
Yes. Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project sir.
Have a good evening. Item number six D,
Item number 60, site plan for a building addition.
And additional parking.
Additional parking located on the northwest corner
of Mount Road and Marham Avenue.
3 2 2 1, 1 and three. 2 2 5 1 Mount Road section five.
Charles Tombo
and Ga Gaan properties two
L-L-C-P-S-P 2 5 0 0 5 3.
Thank you.
Is petitioner here this evening?
How are you? Good
Evening sir. Hey guys, how are you guys?
Good.
How are you this evening? Good, good.
This is my partner, Ray.
Good evening, sir. Yep.
So, um, we recently purchased the building.
I think it sat vacant for quite a while.
It was built in the early two thousands
and then we acquired the land right next to it.
And, um, there was some recommendations as well
because we've been submitting drawings,
but we want to extend the parking lot out into that
north corner there on Mound Road where the dirt is.
And, um, at a nice, like,
maybe glass enclosed area next to
what used to be a restaurant.
We were thinking about bringing maybe some type
of a nice brunch place
and when the people are sitting down eating,
they can sit outside.
You get some light coming in, just really bringing it up
to bringing it back to life.
Do you guys have the drawings of the renderings
that our designers made?
Yes. We got a copy of the Okay.
Blueprints, but we had questions on those, but yeah. Yeah,
We can go ahead and just so you know, some
of the recommendations that were sent to us,
our designers have already adjusted to meet the criteria
that you guys were looking for.
Okay? Yep. Correspondence. Thank
You sir. Correspondence,
um, taxes, current building, no issues
for building engineering.
Preliminary review of this site indicates
that planning commission approval should be contingent upon
the petitioner's compliance with the following conditions.
Number one, call out all the existing utilities on the plan.
Number two, show all the dimensions on engineering scale.
Number three, this existing North Drive approach must be
eliminated and restore to a landscaping area.
Number four, the number
and layout of a DA parking spaces must be per
a current a DA requirements.
Number five, unless verification can be
provided, easement must be dedicated to a portion
of existing public sidewalk located on the proposed site.
Number six, minimum drive aisle
with on some areas do not appear to meet minimum
with requirement seven.
A permit from Macomb County Department of Roads
for all work in Mount Road right away is required.
Eight SESC permit
or waiver is required from Macomb County Department
of Public Works Fire.
Regarding the site plan PSP 2 5 0 53,
the fire department doesn't see any issues
that may affect our operations.
MCDR, Macomb County Department's Department
of Roads has received
and reviewed the enclosed preliminary plan for the
above reference site.
MCDR has no objections to proposed development at
above mentioned site.
If you have any questions, please feel free
to contact me at the phone number
above (586) 463-8671.
Thank you. Thank you.
Uh, planning department's recommendation.
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows, excuse me.
It is recommended that the site plan for building addition
and parking lot expansion, uh, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, uh, five copies
of revised site plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
Uh, a uh, the location map on the site plan places the site
in the wrong location and shall be corrected.
Uh, B uh, one B The bearings
and distances shall be
provided, uh, along the property lines of the site.
Um, one c
Uh, provide the dimensions, uh, in an engineer's, uh, scale.
One DA note shall be
provided stating all outdoor retail sales of items
shall be prohibit prohibited on the site.
One E uh, the dimensions of, uh, the walkway
around the existing building shall be
provided on the site plan.
One FA note shall be
provided stating open storage of, uh,
materials shall not be permitted on the site.
Um, G one G the parking lot contains
areas, uh, where the maneuvering lane, uh,
is indicated at 18 feet.
However, the minimum is 22 feet, uh,
between the 90 degree parking spaces.
One h uh, the areas in the corners are indicate,
are indicated to have, uh, hard surfacing.
However, instead of hard surfacing the northeast
and the northwest corners shall be landscaped islands with,
uh, one tree planted in each planting.
Staff, uh, recommends a choke cherry, dogwood
or, uh, red bud trees.
One I, excuse me.
When a parking facility contains 51
to 75 parking spaces, there shall be,
uh, three accessible spaces
and one shall be van accessible size.
There are multiple entrances, uh, to this building.
Ensure the parking meets a DA requirements
one j add the past variances granted by the zoning board
of appeals pertaining to parking
and setback waivers on the site.
Plan one K.
The approach to Mound Road that is not being used
shall be removed and replaced with curbing, uh, the permit.
A permit from the uh, Macomb County Department
of Roads will be required
for the work in the mound road right of way one l
The driveway approach to Ham Avenue is excessively wide
at uh, 33.8 inches.
It should be reduced to 26 feet.
One m the plan indicates one way circulation
throughout the site.
However, besides the two areas that are
18 feet and 19 feet, 10 inch, 10
and a half inches, uh, the rest
of the maneuvering lanes meet
or exceed the width for two-way traffic.
And the planning staff believes this is
how traffic circulation will function in this retail center.
Excuse me, one NA note shall be
provided stating all landscaped areas shall be
automatically irrigated.
One o update the site plan, uh,
to include the existing
and proposed landscaping, including the type of plantings
refer to refer, excuse me, refer
to the site plan application.
Uh, for prohibited spe plant species,
there is not enough sufficient room.
If there is not enough sufficient room
on the site plan, then plan, provide two copies
of landscape plans.
One p The site plan indicates an eight foot wide green belt
is uh, required along the north property line.
However, per section 14.0,
excuse me, 14.04 green belt, the ordinance states
that shall be 20 feet in width per section two,
2.26 of the ordinance
planning staff proposes
that the petitioner continued the six foot high brick
and bust poured concrete wall 50 feet to the east
where it abuts the residential district
and also plant the exist.
The also plant
the eight foot wide green belt per section 2.26
of the zoning ordinance.
It is staff's opinion that this combination
of screening will be sufficient along the
north property line.
Uh, one q the survey
and the site plan indicates, uh,
the sidewalk encroaches on the property in the corner of
Mound Road and Ham
and along Mound road per the engineering division
and easement shall be dedicated to a portion
of the existing public sidewalk
located on the proposed site.
One R dimension.
The trash enclosure on the site plan per the standard note
and one s the trash enclosure is indicated on the site plan.
Abutting the west property line immediately adjacent to
residential property.
Relocate the trash enclosure somewhere along the east,
the east 79 feet of the north property line.
This is where this property abuts another C two general
business district property condition.
Number two, two copies
of revised survey plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
And that is the petitioner, uh, provide two survey plans,
one for each parcel number, uh,
provide two copies of revised surveys.
With this information for both properties included
on one sheet condition number three, two copies
of revised elevation plans shall be submitted
indicating the following.
The cardinal directions are incorrect On the plan,
the two main entrances to the building will be on the east.
That's the mound roadside
and north building addition side of the building.
Condition number four, two parcels identified
as 13 dash oh five dash 2 76 dash oh
19 and oh 15 shall be combined into
one parent parcel.
Uh, an application shall be submitted
to the planning department requesting the approval
of the combination condition.
Number five, the following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals, uh, prior
to the release of the site plan to the building division.
And they are, uh, a uh,
to allow an 18 foot wide maneuvering lane
between the parking spaces in front
that's east of the building.
And B, to allow a 19
foot 10 and a half inch wide maneuvering lane
west of the building.
Between the parking spaces located along the west
property line, if approved, the variances shall be added
to the revised site plan.
And finally, condition number six,
a performance fund in the amount
of $4,500 be posted according to the estimated cost
of $150,000 by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Thank you sir. This is a public hearing.
If there's anyone like to come up
and speak on this item, please come up.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to make your comments.
Good afternoon. Good evening sir.
My name's Michael Burkowski.
My parents actually are over there are the owners
of the property that is 5 8 3 0 Arden,
which is right in the middle of the parcel
that is towards the north.
There's a couple of concerns that we had
that we wanted to ask about.
One, uh, the first question,
the first question is a little bit of a concern about
where lighting would be.
We're a little bit concerned with light pollution,
especially because the current fence that is right now,
it is there are some very like bright lights, especially
with the auto shop that is close by
and where it can really distract from where the inside
of the windows that are in the property.
So we have a little bit of a concern of there was any,
where future lighting is gonna be
and which direction it's pointed.
That's a little bit of a nuisance.
Second question
or concern is if there was a noise study that's completed.
Obviously with this, the biggest concern is just
with the additional, with the additional volume
of vehicles that would be coming in.
I understand the eight foot easement and the six foot wall.
Just kind of wanted to understand if there's any further
data that's baked in into that assessment.
And then the third topic is kind of noting
where the position for the trash is.
If there's anything that can have more guarantees, um,
there's been some problems previously in the area
with rats in the area
and if there's kind of any, some type
of a protection mechanism that can be to kind
of ease that concern.
Okay. Thank you sir. Thank you.
Did you give your name and address?
Uh, I can get registered over here, but
Alright. Thank you.
Yes. Anyone else like to speak on this item
scene Now I'll turn it over
to the commission for a discussion
Chair. Make a
motion, excuse me for approval with discussion
support.
Mr. Chairman
Has a motion by Commissioner Hollow, supported
by Commissioner Ddue. Go ahead with the discussion.
Okay. Can I, can the petitioner step forward please?
Aye. Good evening gentlemen. Evening. Okay.
First I have a few questions here.
Right in the beginning you said you uh, mentioned that few
of the recommendations you said were already taken care of.
Yes. So we received the
recommendations, I think last week.
I forwarded 'em right away to the designers.
So I think they've already emailed me
and I've got some printouts on some of the items
that they've already adjusted.
Um, there was a couple, do you mind if I address the,
the gentleman that just was just,
I I might be okay through me.
Okay. You might answer those questions. No
Worries. Um,
yeah, so some of it's already been done.
There was just a couple items I had a question about
as far as fencing and stuff.
Um, but I just wanted you guys to know, uh, for the petition
for the people that came up as well.
We own another building about half a mile up the road on the
Sterling Heights side called the Stober Plaza.
We bought that a few years ago.
It's only about a half mile north if you want
to go take a look at the way we've maintained that plaza.
We're, we're, we both come from property management.
We're very highly involved in the properties as well.
So any complaints like that, if there was, um,
rad issues like what we've done over there,
we're already prepping 'cause they're building an a car
apartment complex in our other building
that's budding up to our building.
So we've already kind of taken measures
to get locks on the dumpsters and stuff like that.
Put cameras on the building just to kind
of mitigate any issues.
As far as lighting goes,
my family all comes from an electrical background,
so we're gonna be putting light shields
anywhere near like a neighborhood.
Um, and all lights to try to face away from the homes.
Right. Uh, high fences just to try to help.
And we are very strict about the tenants
that we put into our properties.
So we vet 'em pretty well.
We're not looking for, and the reason why we're spending
so much money on the building is we're not looking
for just somebody off the street.
Uh, and our other building. We're doing the same thing.
If you have a background, you already own a business
or we could see that you have done your, uh, due diligence,
then we'll give you an opportunity
to be a tenant at our properties.
Otherwise, we're not just taking anybody off the street just
to throw 'em in the building and collect rent.
We're definitely not looking for a slumlord type of, uh,
we're, we're buying these as long
term holds for our families.
So, um, we intend on bringing in high quality tenants, um,
and people that are, you know,
that are not gonna make damage
or be a nuisance to any of the neighbors.
Okay. I'm sorry, finding a little bit more cold.
Excuse me. Um, as far as, you mentioned types of businesses,
um, do you have a general idea how, I know it's early,
but times like,
are they gonna be from eight till nine in the
evening or any idea?
So, um, the reason we added the glass enclosure on this
as an extension, because there used to be a restaurant there
before and um, it was just a small restaurant.
So we figured if we add the glass enclosure
can have like a nice brunch place.
I think there they typically are earlier businesses.
These are not gonna be like a midnight
restaurant open till midnight.
And to be honest with you, I don't want to deal with
that anyways 'cause I don't want
to get phone calls in the middle of the night from people
that are, you know.
So I'll give you another example.
We, um, of the way we operate the buildings that we have,
we own another one in Rochester Hills
and we bought that one July, 2024, right?
Yeah. So this was like the second
winter that we've gone through.
One of my tenants called me
and she said, Hey, there's a lady.
And she couldn't find the, the handicap spots
because it snow covered all the
handicap spots just recently.
And we've had that build, that building's
been there since like the seventies.
So we just bought it. We never, you know, had an issue.
Everything's been approved by the city.
And, um, another tenant called me
and said, well, the Hertz car place has too many people
dropping off vehicles after 5:00 PM So we took action right
away and ordered signs to be installed even though it's,
it's a, it's a huge building.
So there's, it's central parking, it's not,
doesn't butt up against the building,
but right away we took measurements to put signs in
that say, you know, handicap parking only
and then no Hertz parking
after 3:00 PM on, on these specific spots.
So we're gonna take action. If there's any issues like
that going forward with neighbors
or something, they can call me directly
and then we'll handle it for sure. Okay.
One last question. Yeah. Trash bin, he mentioned.
Oh, the trash bin. Um, so I think it's
outside the, the which side?
I think I do it on the opposite side.
Oh, opposite side by the street.
I mean, as long as it's situated to where it's,
it's doesn't look ugly in front of people that are driving
by the building as well.
Right now I think you have it on that side,
but I don't think we would mind if we
maybe moved it down a little bit more central as well.
Um, we have it right now
and then, I mean you guys would tell me, Melissa, like
what you guys think, um,
should be fine if we adjust the Yeah.
Okay. And um, the only other thing I had too was, uh,
I was hoping, and then you guys give me your input as well.
As far as, so right now it's a block wall that kind of goes
north and south.
It's, it's not a bad looking wall,
but I feel kind of like, it's like a prison wall.
So I was hoping, what do you guys think?
If we did like a nice, like modern,
like a vinyl going across east and west, would that be okay
or what do you guys think?
I mean, I wanna work with everybody
to make sure you guys are happy too.
Mr. Wirth, you wanna come up and,
And then I did wanna say something else.
The elevation between that auto place
and the, the ground in front of it,
it's like a bot got like a eight inch
to a foot elevation difference as well.
So you alright then do you want to add
to the existing wall or take down the existing wall
and put up this other wall?
Okay. So the, the existing,
the existing wall already goes all the way up
to the back on the north and south,
but then we want to make, make another wall that goes east
and west just to block the, any kind
of parking noise from the neighbors and the auto place.
And I was wondering the materials, I know we,
we had set in the recommendations to do block.
Would it be okay to do like a vinyl, like a nice
It wouldn't have said block.
Oh, I thought I thought No,
Not block, no wait.
Our, okay. Our walls are poured concrete walls poured
Concrete. Okay.
Okay. Brick embossed, poured concrete, six feet tall.
That's what's there now. But would it be okay to go vinyl,
like something a little bit nicer?
No. Well that's a, that's a decision by the,
uh, planning commission.
I'm not necessarily in favor of that.
Okay. Yeah, I mean we wanna make you guys happy. So
Property residential, uh,
half a half wall this half of that we're,
it's just to be consistent. Yeah.
Okay. I would say just the whole wall.
Do a whole wall. Okay. And we're going halfway Was the
recommendation or was it all the way through?
Sorry guys.
There's a, there's a partial wall right on the,
the north going north.
Yeah. It stops at, at the one property.
And so it need, would, would need to be continued
'cause there's a, well no,
there's another residential property that's R one p.
Oh, okay. That's adjacent. It, it stopped.
There's one home that has, there's a wall along it
and then it, it stops.
So it would need to be continued. Oh, you're right. I agree.
And on the other, along the, that's why we suggested,
because you show an eight foot green belt, which it needs
to be technically 20,
but if you do the wall, that's the requirement
and then you add the green belt as well.
That's like additional screening with landscaping
and the wall continuing against where the home is.
Okay. And then the commercial, you don't have
to have the wall, but if you're gonna add the green belt,
that's just an extra screening. So probably be
All green Over there. Yeah.
Okay. But
Yeah, that would be good.
Yeah. Yeah.
So we're, we're good with I think most of it,
the guys adjusted already.
There's, I probably gotta go see the method,
the zoning department and show 'em all the
documentation, make sure that we're good.
But, um, I think we're fine with most of this, right?
What do you think? Yeah. Oh yeah.
And, and I just wanted to touch base on the,
the lighting situation.
His dad's gonna be the master electrician, um,
who's gonna be, uh, doing all the lighting
and um, we did it at our plaza
about a half mile down the road.
Stober Plaza. We made the lighting perfect where,
because there's five residential homes behind that plaza
and it did not affect anyone.
We tilted the light at a perfect angle where it does not,
um, um, you know, interfere with any
of the residential homes in the area.
So we were very successful doing it at
Silver Plaza.
Yeah. And there's light shield as well.
So when I met him at the property to run through,
he was showing me the direction everything's gonna aim out
and where to put a shield
and what not to put a shield for these specific situations
with neighbors around the building.
Okay. Thank you sir. We have an ordinance anyway.
It says the light can't go past the property line.
Yeah, yeah. So that'd be fine. Yep. Cool.
Any other discussion?
I yield the floor. Okay.
See you next. Good evening, sir.
Looks like you've got a, a nice plan going on here.
Uh, and you've made some changes, which are good.
'cause I had some questions on the one drawing
because the elevation
that it was showing on the drawing wasn't
correct for what was on the drawing.
But you said you made those changes and everything. Yeah.
So and, and you wanna move the dumpster down
and so it look like you've got a pretty good idea.
Now you've got two variances here
for 18 feet wide maneuvering lane and 18 feet, 10
and a half inch wide maneuvering lane.
And like I said, normal, the normal maneuvering lane
is 22 feet wide.
But because those look like those are one way directions,
I believe that would probably work out Okay.
Because it's just a one way Yeah.
The 22 feet wide would be for two way direction.
So, okay. Mr. W can you come up a second?
No. Mr.
WI
think his name is also,
Oh, We should have that sidebar conversation.
Um,
So if they, because of the two variances for the,
the 18 foot wide, the 19 foot 10
and a half inch wide maneuvering lane,
if they're making it directional to
where it's only one way traffic,
that shouldn't be an issue with it
For one way traffic. No.
So then they would need those two variances.
They could, they wouldn't that it would stay that way.
You'd have to provide signage that tells people
that it's a one-way system.
Yeah. Otherwise, I mean, uh,
uh, excuse me.
But, uh, I remember approving this one, this site plan, uh,
years ago and along the West property line,
I thought there was room, I thought it was a 22 foot
maneuvering lane and a 22 foot deep,
uh, parking space.
Okay. And when you measure the parking space,
you're measuring that from the, the, uh, property line, not
to the wall, not to the, the concrete, uh,
continuous concrete curve there.
Okay. Okay. It's, that's where you're supposed to measure.
So I, I'm not sure about the measurement, the,
the real measurement along that side.
So what, so you should,
do you have a dimension from the building
to the property line?
That's what I do. You think they did?
We brought 'em out there. I'm not sure how they measured it
to be honest, but I'm guessing that's what they did.
All right. We'll have to, but yeah,
We can we'll, we'll back out there again.
Um,
All right, well I answered your question.
Uh,
Thank you, sir.
Any o other discussion? Okay.
That was a motion by Commissioner Hollow Wadi
supported by Commissioner Ddue. Roll call
Commissioner Hollow.
Yes. Commissioner Zey. Yes. Commissioner Antar? Yes.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Morrie votes? Yes.
Commissioner Beki? Yes. To
Approve Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To approve. Good luck with your project, sir.
Thank you guys. Have a good evening. Thank you.
Item number six E
Item number six, E site plan for outdoor storage of Ferris
and non-farm metals.
Located on the east side of Hoover Road,
approximately 765 feet south of nine Mile Road.
2 1 9 5 0 2 2 5 1 0 2 2 5 2 2
and 2 2 7 2 8 Hoover
and 2 2 6 7 9 nagel section
35 Scott Curl.
And BES group Scott Curl and Blue Star Inc.
PSP 2 6 0 0 0 1. Thank you.
Thank you. This petitioner here.
Can you come up please tell
us a little bit about your project?
Good evening, sir.
Hi, good evening. Uh, my name is Scott Crawl.
I'm the, uh, owner of Blue Star, uh, also part owner
of, uh, BES group.
Iroquois is, uh, one of my partners here.
So we are, uh, uh,
demolition contractor located here in the city of Warren.
Um, been at this particular building
for I believe our 14th year, uh,
and have been fortunate to experience growth.
So, uh, as we grow, we need additional space
for our equipment, our materials.
So we're here this evening in hopes to get our approvals,
uh, to be in compliance with the city.
Thank you sir. Correspondence,
Correspondence. Texas
current building does not affect
building structure operations.
At and t at and t has facilities in the area,
but they should not be affected
by the proposed storage plans.
D-T-E-D-T-E Electric company has received
and reviewed the site plan for outdoor storage of various
and non-ferrous material metals.
DT Electric Company has no objection to the site plan
for outdoor storage of RIS
and non-ferrous metals impacting
2 1 9 5 0 2 2 5 1 0 2 2 5 2 2
and 2 2 7 2 8 Hoover
and 2 2 6 7 9 nagel section 35 per
the site plan provided.
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate
to contact me at 5 8 6 7 8 3 1 9 7 8.
Thank you. Thanks
Ma'am. Secretary playing
department's recommendation,
It is recommended that the site plan
for open storage be approved with the standard conditions
of the planning commission
and more specifically, number one, five copies
of revised site plan shall be submitted
indicating the following.
One. A, the site data chart indicates
a 25 foot front stepback for the M two zoning district.
This setback is actually 50 feet
and shall be changed on the site data chart one B.
The two variances one
and two listed on the site plan
regarding the open storage are not required
and shall be, shall be removed from the plan one C.
The four areas of parking along Hoover Road
and one area along Nale Street are encroaching into the
front setback areas of Hoover Road and Nale Street
and require setback variances.
One DA minimum 50 feet, 50 foot setback area
landscaped is required along Nagle Street.
The parking area shall be adjusted in the storage area
os dash three shall be reduced
and set back one E the Norway maple trees indicated
between the sidewalk and the street shall be replaced
with sunset maple trees.
One f the six foot high chain link fence shall be erected
along the entire northeast
and south property lines within one year
or the site plan shall become null
and void losing the site plan approval.
This note shall be placed on the site plan number two,
the five parcels identified as 13 dash three five
dash
1 0 1 0 2 3 0 2 6 0 3 0 3 2 13 3 5 54
shall be combined into one parent parcel.
An application shall be submitted
to the planning department requesting the approval
of the combination number three in M three and M four zones.
The planning commission shall determine whether screening
of the outdoor storage is necessary based on the
relationship of the storage to property zoned residential
as identified in section 3.011
through seven of the zoning ordinance.
Residential properties are located
to the west of Hoover Road.
Planning staff recommends slots be
provided on the chain link fence approximately 45 feet in
length along Hoover Road.
Additionally, the landscaping changes in this area will also
provide for screening from the public street
and the residential areas to the west.
Number four, the petitioner shall provide a recorded
document for ingress and egress with the on
with Andre Trucking Inc.
Owner of 2 2 7 0 4 Hoover Road. For the shared access drive.
The petitioner utilizes between parcels 2 2 7 2 8
and 2 2 5 2 2 Hoover Road.
Number five. The following variances may need
to be obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior
to the release of the site plan to the building Division
five A to retain open storage in non hard surfaced areas.
Five B to retain parking
that encroaches into the front setback along Hoover
Road in four areas.
Five C to retain parking
that encroaches into the front setback along Nagel Street if
approved, the variances shall be added
to the revised site plan.
And number six, a performance bond in the amount
of $108 shall be posted according to the estimated cost
of $3,600 by the petitioner.
And there's a note, the planning staff recommends a bond in
the amount of $2,250 be posted due
to the additional landscaping
and front setback adjustments along Nale Street amounting
to $75,000.
And this ends the recommendation.
Thank you Ms. Michelle. This is a public hearing.
If anybody would like to speak on
this item, please come forward.
State your name and address for the record
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Scene nine, we'll turn it over to the commission.
Uh, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a motion to approve,
uh, this recommendation, uh,
with discussion support.
Maury.
There's a motion by motion
by Commissioner Doe support
by Commissioner Maury. Discussion.
Go ahead. Uh, thank you Mr. Chairman.
Um, I'll ask the, uh, the petitioner,
you've read the,
or seen the recommendation, do you agree with them?
Do you have a problem with any of it?
Can you come up to the mic, sir? Yes,
Please.
I, I believe, yeah. Yes, we have, uh, read them, uh,
reviewed them and, uh, yes, we are going to accept.
All right. Thank you. Um,
was this originally a Brownfield development?
Do you have any idea if, if it was or wasn't? No idea.
Not that I'm Aware of because this is, uh, I,
I was genuinely surprised driving around there at
how much room you have.
Um,
if you have no problems with the recommendations, then,
then we'll go forward and take it from there.
Uh, how's business?
Very well been very, very blessed.
Well, if business is good, uh, it's good for you.
Good for the city. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
Any other discussion? Chair?
Go ahead. One, just quick follow up question.
I understand you'll be destroying
metals on, on the land, correct?
Temporary. A temporarily? Yes.
When we do, uh, a demolition project, there's,
and that's not always the case.
At times we will bring materials back, sort them
and then load them back out for recycling.
Okay. Then what are your hours operation gonna be?
What times will the trucks be coming in?
What time will the trucks be going out?
So we're, for the most part,
we're basically a day shift operation.
Uh, trucks roll in or out of the yard rather between six
and six 30 in the morning.
And they're usually back by the end of the day, 5, 5 30,
No late operation. Nine,
10 o'clock? No,
No.
Or so it shouldn't be too much.
'cause it's noticed that there were some residential
properties near there
so they wouldn't be disturbing the residence.
Correct. Too much. Okay. Thank you, chair.
Thank you, sir. Anyone else? Yes. Yes, Mr. Chair?
Uh, only thing I will change, you know, uh,
recommended $2,250, uh, cash bond instead of $108.
That's my request. Can we ch change it to the, um,
the Prime Minister, uh, recommended
that it's $2,250 cash bond instead of 108.
Why do you want a cash bond? I'm
Sorry. Why do you want a
cash bond?
No, no, no. Cash bond planning Stop recommended
$2,250 cash bond is there $108.
So we're just changing
to the $2,250 if we approve it.
I guess he's questioning the, you understand that, uh,
the planning department said
because of the things that have to be done,
that the bond should be raised to $2,250 from the $108.
I have, I have no issues with that.
Pardon Me? Well,
I have no issues with that. Okay.
Um, Mr.
Worth, is there reason why we need to make it a cash bond?
Well, it, Because it doesn't say cash
bond, it says a bond bond. It doesn't,
It doesn't say cash bond.
Right. We didn't recommend a cash
Bond. Okay. So
we'll keep it as just a case. It, it
Can be, it can be,
but no, it's surety bond or cash bond. Or
Are you okay with that, sir?
Yes. Okay, then. So that's what, that's what it'd be.
Either surety or cash bond. Okay.
The only thing I only question I had also was, uh,
I was looking at how the vehicles
were driving around through there.
And, uh, you know, you have to get an ingress egress
with the petitioner from Andre
because he used the same driveway.
We, we have it. Okay.
Yes. Very good. Well,
I think it's gonna work out pretty good.
You've got your, your drawings laid out nice.
Where location of everything's gonna be.
And, um, you got a few other questions answered, so, uh,
I seem to be okay with it.
So that was a motion by, uh, commissioner
dse support by Commissioner Maury. Roll call.
Commissioner Ddue. Yes. Commissioner Moori votes. Yes.
Commissioner Ansar? Yes. Commissioner Hollow. Yes.
To approve Commissioner Hawk?
Yes. To Approve Commissioner Denki? Yes.
To approve Commissioner Smith.
Yes. To approve with the change in the ca in the bond.
Thank you, sir. Thank you. Have a good evening. You as well.
Good luck on your project Item number six F,
Item number six F site plan for open storage of vehicles
and storage pods.
Located on the southeast corner of Shaner Road
and I Idea Avenue 2 1 7 3 0 SH Hill Road,
section 36 Rendez Polis and s farro properties.
LLC Jeffrey Ham, EC
and Associates, PSP
2 5 0 0 5 2. Thank you.
Thank you, Madam Secretary. Mr. Petitioner here.
Good evening, sir. Can you come
up? How are you today? Good.
How are you? Not bad.
Tell us a little bit about your project.
Uh, I own the property, uh, 2000, uh,
uh, 2022.
2022. So I've been doing good and everything.
Um, I just like to do a storage room in the back for, um,
uh, for, um, open, uh, uh,
storage room in the back, couple containers,
um, back in the alley.
Uh, I have a three, um, uh, three, uh,
um, uh, te uh, te tenanted one, uh, one
of 'em is, uh, F1 collision.
One of 'em is, uh, sweet, uh, tooth.
And, uh, for my business over there is a tire shop,
um, a one y tires.
So I'm trying to put the cat in the back to put some,
you know, um, uh, store some, um,
uh, like, um, um, some of 'em, uh, candy
and cakes and all that, you know,
because I have, uh, my, uh, one of my tenant, he takes,
um, candy.
They bring 'em from out state, put 'em in, um,
put 'em in a container.
And then right away there, there's another drivers, uh,
small drivers like, um, small cars, they take, they ship 'em
to, uh, Myers and, uh, Walmart.
So I'm trying to get a, uh, uh, storage outside, you know,
back alley and put in garbage, uh,
knife over there in the back.
And thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Correspondence.
Sorry about that. That's my, uh, third to cut you off.
That's my first time doing, uh, this, you know,
Hardship. Okay. Okay. We'll,
we'll work with you a little bit.
No problem. Correspondence,
Correspondence, taxes, current building.
The building department has issue with the parking lot,
ENG parking and handicap requirements.
One van accessible space is required with an access aisle.
Um, engineering preliminary review
of this site indicates no difficulty in development.
At t at t does not object to this proposal.
We do have facilities in the vicinity,
but they should not be affected.
Comcast, we have facilities in the area,
but they're not in conflict with the proposal.
MCDR, Macomb County Department of Roads has received
and reviewed the enclosed preliminary plan for the
above reference site.
MCDR has the following objection
to the proposed development, uh,
above re mentioned site number one, the
MCDR will not allow removing existing grass area
and replacing it with concrete in north entrance until
existing concrete parking area
between south entrance is removed, seated and mulched.
If you have any questions, please feel free
to contact me at the phone number
above (586) 463-8671.
Thank you.
Thanks ma'am. Secretary Plain Department's recommendation.
Okay. All right. Thank you Mr. Chair.
The recommendation is as follows.
It is recommended that the site plan for open storage of,
uh, repaired vehicles, uh, be approved
with the standard conditions of the planning commission.
And more specifically on that's one A.
Uh, the zoning on the site plan shall be updated
to the following M1 light industrial district
and R one P one family parking district.
That's the East 50 feet of the property one B.
The plan, uh, shall indicate, uh, if
the auto repair is minor or major,
and this is extremely important
by the way to the commission.
We need to know what that is
and if it, uh, if the use is major, uh,
it shall be located 200 feet from residential, if not
a variance from the zoning board
of appeals would be required.
One C indicate the layout
for the repair vehicles on the site plan
per the 2021 approved variance.
Nine repair vehicles, uh, can be parked on the site.
1D The accessible, uh,
space shall meet a DA requirements
for a van accessible space that's 16 feet in width.
One E The two parking spaces on the north side
of the warehouse are proposed in front of
and, uh, overhead door.
Uh, this area cannot be used for parking,
therefore, they shall be removed from the site plan.
Uh, one f uh, the right of way located in front
of the auto repair shop between the, uh,
two driveways is asphalt.
On March, uh, 23rd, 2021, the city council, uh,
by formal motion approved the petitioner.
This is, I believe, a different petitioner.
The petitioner to retain
the hard surfacing in the right of way.
They proposed six inch high bumper curbs set back five feet
from Shaer Road curbing.
If the parking is to remain bumper curbs shall be
provided per the approval
and to be indicated on the site
plan condition.
Number two, the planning staff does not recommend approval
for the entire proposed site plan, specifically
open storage area Number two, for the following reasons.
A, the height of the storage pods according
to the petitioner,
and that was on January 13th, would be 10
to 12 feet in height.
It is the planning staff's determination per section
22.14, uh, B subsection three,
that the use is not compatible
with the adjacent residential U land use.
The proposed pods would be located
abutting the existing wall,
not fully screened from view B.
The six, uh, pods proposed would, uh,
require several variances including a use variance.
Uh, two C the six pods
proposed would eliminate the parking
needed for the warehouse.
Uh, let's see, 2D section 17.02
s states
that the designated storage area shall always be hard
surfaced and screened from the public street
and any residentially zoned areas.
These storage areas, uh, would not be screened
as the height would extend above the existing wall.
And there is not a setback limit
for the view of the storage in this instance.
In addition to the existing wall,
the eight foot wide green belt per section 2.26 A
would need to be
provided to screen the view, uh,
from the residential area to the east.
Alright, so now we go to eight, uh, two e
In the M1 and M two zones,
the designated area shall not be located
any closer than 75 feet to the front property line,
unless the size of the lot is less than 150 feet in depth.
In which case the planning commission may allow the
designated area to be located no closer than 25 feet
to the front property line.
The storage would be located 20 feet from the
north property line.
That's Ida Avenue,
and would require a variance from the zoning board
of appeals condition.
Number three. The following variances are recommended, uh,
by the planning staff
and may need to be obtained from the zoning board
of appeals prior to the release of the site plan
to the building division.
And that is a, a use variance would be required
to allow the pods in an R one P district three B.
If the auto repair shop is determined to be major
and not minor, a variance to be located within 200 feet
of residential property would be required
three C wave five parking spaces,
3D
to locate the storage 20 feet from the north property line,
that's Ida Avenue three E
to allow a fence 20 feet from Ida Avenue, if approved,
the variances shall be added to the revised site plan.
Condition number four, uh, the performance bond, the amount
of $450 be posted according to the estimated cost of
$15,000 by the petitioner.
So with that, uh, Mr.
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.
Um, there are quite a few items here
and, um, I know we didn't say this in the beginning,
but I'll say it now.
It seems that perhaps we need to have more discussion
with the, uh, petitioner.
Perhaps a postponement might be worthwhile.
I'll, I'll leave it to the Planning Commission.
Thank you, Mr. Worth. This is a public hearing.
Anybody would like to speak on this item, come forth.
State your name and address for the record,
and you'll have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none will turn over to the commission.
Mr. Chair, I would like to make a motion to postpone, um,
if the petitioner would like to, I would like.
So, and then discuss it with more
with the commission, the planning
department. Okay. Support.
There was a motion by Commissioner Morey, supported
by Commissioner Benty to postpone this.
So the petitioner has time to, uh, meet with Mr.
W to go over some of the details.
Uh, one of the concerns I had was those containers against
the wall as they're taller than the wall.
So it's gonna be an eyesore for the residential area.
So maybe you could work out something a little bit
different, Mr. Ward, but can you say something?
Sure. Uh,
I, I, I Was, uh, come up to the mic, please.
Yes.
Yeah. Um, one of my ne my neighbor in the back, she's,
she's, she's a good person.
She always recommend to, to fix the, the wall
because I, I haven't fixed the wall
because the wall is kind of leaning.
So I said to myself, you know, this summer, you know,
after when winter finish this summer, I'm gonna, you know,
make the, the wall more higher, more support, you know,
more looking good, you know,
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull, uh, more a gate of one of the
front of the, you know, the, the,
the, the other side of the building.
Because last time I had, uh, people that coming in
stealing a lot of stuff from the, from, from the cars.
You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm trying,
I'm trying to put the gate and a nice wall,
make everything perfect, you know.
So even the, the front of the garage, the,
the was kind of green.
When, when, when the car, uh, like, uh, the, they back out.
They kind of, you know, they get in, you know, an accident
because there's cars like that,
they back out, you know what I'm saying?
They cannot see the, the other side.
So I'm trying to take the, they have the, the middle, uh,
grass, like in the middle because between this, uh, garage
and the, the other garage in the front,
That's, that's why we're gonna try to postpone this.
So to give you time to get with the planning commission
and talk to about what you wanna do.
'cause there's certain heights allowed on the wall,
and you may not be able to raise the wall that high.
Sure. So, like I say, you need to talk
with the planning commission, tell 'em exactly what you want
to do, and they can set up, um, um,
set up a meeting with them Yeah.
To discuss what you're trying to do.
Another thing they need to know is if it's a major
or minor operation on the automotive.
Okay. So you can go over all that with them. Okay.
No problem. What's the next date we have available?
We postpone it to the next date.
Is that gonna give 'em enough time? February 9th.
Can you get with them by February 9th, sir? Yeah.
Okay. So we'll postpone this to February 9th.
And that was a motion by Commissioner Morrie,
supported by Commissioner Beki. Roll call.
Commissioner Morrie. I vote yes. Commissioner Beki. Yes.
To postpone to February 9th.
Commissioner Anza. Yes. Postpone to February 9th.
Commissioner Hollow. Yes. Postponed to February 9th.
Commissioner Hawk? Yes. Commissioner Zey? Yes.
To postpone Commissioner Smith?
Yes. To postpone the February 9th to allow the petitioner
to get with the planning department
and go over what he wants to do
so it can meet the requirements.
Item number seven, correspondence
Respondents notice from the city of Warren, FOIA committee
determining that home addresses
of planning commissioners on their
application must be released.
Okay. This is a letter that we got from the FOIA, freedom
of Information Act.
And, um, this is gonna be just to receive and file.
So they need a motion to receive and file. Motion
To receive and file BEKI Support. Moy,
There's a motion by Commissioner Beki, supported by Ms.
Moy to receive and file. All in favor. A Aye. Any opposed?
Item number eight. A eight old business
Item number eight, site plan for building additions north
and South Elevation two.
And reconfiguring parking.
Parking of Buddhist temple located on the southwest corner
of 10 Mile Road and Werner Avenue.
2 6 9 0 10 mile Road, section 30 New Hog, Hong
and Vietnamese Buddhist Association of Detroit
PSP 2 3 0 0 4 0.
Approved on January 8th, 2024.
The petitioner is requesting a one year extension
to January 8th, 2027. Thank you.
Is the petitioner here? You gonna come down
and tell us a little bit why you are
requesting an extension?
Good evening, sir.
Good evening. Uh, my name is George Bailey
and my address is, uh,
1 1 5 5 Hampton Road, gross Point Woods.
Um, I am the architect or the new architect for the project.
Um, and my company is, uh, Bailey Belt, PLC.
Um, the, I was brought in a few months ago
and met with the, um, the, uh, I guess the,
the folks at the Temple have engaged with a, uh,
a contractor to, to go through budgeting and, and, and,
and the like, and try to figure out
how much they can afford to build.
And so in that process, um, they've determined
that they need to kind of scale back a little bit,
but it's very, you know, keep with a very similar, uh,
site plan that that was submitted and approved.
Um, another factor is the, uh, the exist, well, the,
the young man that did, um, I don't know him, he passed away
who did the previous, uh, design for them.
So I'm picking up, taking the mantle for them to try
to cut them, get across the finish line, uh,
with the project and their proposed, uh, you know,
the proposed, uh, uh, changes to the building
and to create that, um, small addition on the north side.
Alright. Very good, sir. Will that give you enough time?
Uh, yes sir. Well, we're, we're closing on,
on the documents and,
and kind of trying to, if we can, uh, get the, there's,
like I said, there's, there's some slight modifications.
We're scaling back on the, on the scope of the, of the work.
And so we're hoping to work with planning staff and,
and with your approval to, um, to scale that back and,
and kind of submit revisions to the approved site plan.
Um, and then, and then hopefully go forward from there.
Thank you, sir. I need a motion
to approve a one year extension of January 8th, 2027.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to, uh, uh,
do a one year extension
to January 8th, 2027 on this property.
Mr. Chairman, aye, supported
As a motion by commissioner ey,
supported by Commissioner Haw.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
So you, we have extended a one year extension
January 8th, 2027. Thank you
Very much. Good luck with your
project, sir. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Item number nine, bond release.
Item number 10, new business seeing none.
Item 11, citizen participation.
If anyone would like to come up and speak, state your name
and address for the record
and you have three minutes to speak.
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to item number 12,
planning commission, business planning director's report.
12 a
Uh, thank you Mr. Chair.
This report's just for one week.
I was on vacation, the other part,
so maybe Michelle can come forward on, on the second, uh,
half of that, uh, time period.
But, um, so I'll start with, uh, January the 12th.
And, uh, and on that particular day, uh,
Michelle and I, uh, attended a meeting with, uh, with, uh,
I think it's John Wright.
Am I correct? Yeah. John Wright.
Uh, talking about, uh, uh,
something called the missing Middle, uh, uh,
underlying district.
I think you guys heard something of that, uh,
last Thursday, maybe a lot.
And, uh, it's what a district to, uh, put forth.
But anyway, that was, uh, on the, uh, 12th.
Uh, then on the 13th, um, I met with, uh, with, uh,
our staff met with Joe Loo,
and Joe has a parcel that's on Shana Road, just south
of 12 Mile West Side.
And there's a Tim Horton's over there.
And this is vacant property to the north of that,
that they would share a driveway.
So we're, we were looking at, uh, at that particular site.
And, um, that was for a car wash.
Okay. Uh, next, um, attended the, uh,
city council meeting on the 13th.
In that meeting, uh, they had a lot, lot of, uh, consent
agenda items.
And part of those was the, uh, active mobility plan.
Uh, I,
I was somewhat led to believe that, uh, they would allow
that to come off the agenda so
that we could make a presentation
and perhaps city council could, uh, approve, deny or,
or, uh, uh, move it to a postponement.
But, uh, none of that happened.
It never moved, it stayed on the consent agenda
and the, uh, so, uh,
we were a bit at a loss.
Why, why that happened. Okay.
So then, uh, now I move on to the 15th
and we, uh, have our usual meeting, uh,
that's lengthy.
It's two and a half hours, uh,
regarding the zoning ordinance where we, we talk about more
and more about different changes to the existing ordinance
and, uh, went on from there.
And that's a lot more people
of the administration than just staff.
Uh, same day, uh, actually in this case, Michelle
and I, yeah, uh, we both attended, uh, a map,
a webinar zoom.
Very interesting subject.
It was, uh, the history of
planning in the state of Michigan.
This was the, uh, second one, wasn't it? Yeah.
Second webinar that we had.
And it, uh, started from, uh, uh,
early 18 hundreds to the present.
So there's quite a bit of, uh, planning that has gone on
and not gone on, uh, over all those years.
So again, very interesting.
So that's, uh, those are just the highlights for my time.
Otherwise it was, uh, working on findings,
uh, that we we're always working on.
If you have any questions for me, do you want to
talk about the, the week?
I wasn't there. How's that?
Well, that week, well Ron was gone.
It was primarily preparing for the joint meeting
that we held on the 22nd.
So it was just coordinating with, um,
the other city staff member from Economic Development,
hunter Manus, who also gave presentation
and the other presenter who came
to discuss the missing middle
overlay that we've been working with.
Um, so that was primarily the week
and working on these findings for today's meeting.
Um, if there's any questions about any of that, um,
and for those that could not attend,
that you did receive an email
with information from that meeting.
Thank you Ms. Michelle. You're welcome.
Anybody have any questions for Ms. Michelle or Ron? Okay.
Item number 12 B City attorney
regarding a DA reasonable accommodations.
Ms. Michael, do you want to talk on that?
Surprise. I did not expect this on the agenda.
You're the city attorney, right?
Yes. Discussion with City Attorney,
Uh, Ron And then Mr.
Wirt, is there anything in
particular that I could help with?
No. Mr. Wirth. Michelle, one of you.
I'm just reading, just reading what's on the agenda. I now
Okay. We can just
place this on the next meeting. Okay.
So that, uh, you know.
Alright, very Good.
The city attorney can have a little time
To get it Together, respond to that
And well, if you let me know in advance
what particular issues you would like
addressed, we could talk.
Yeah. Okay. Yes it does. Thanks.
So this will be postponed till the next meeting
or the next meeting they set up.
Okay. Item number 12 C playing commission
discussion and concerns.
The only concern I have is
we've been talking about the joint meeting with, uh, zoning
and planning for a long time.
And even as early as last year,
we said it was gonna be January 22nd
and we didn't have a, a place or time yet,
but we, it was gonna be on the 22nd
and we're all notified about it being on the 22nd.
And I was just a little bit disappointed
because, you know, planning, we decided
to have this joint meeting so the planning can see
what zoning's talking about and
what zoning's talking planning zoning can find
out what planning's talking about.
So you can kinda work together.
And I know in our budget we,
we had wanted some money in the budget
for these extra meetings, you know, that, uh,
we could attend and get paid for,
but I was really disappointed in the commission other than,
uh, the ones that couldn't make it were health wise,
but nobody really responded
and said that they weren't gonna make it.
So they had a board, all the chairs,
all the zoning members were there
and where the planning was supposed to sit,
it was just Commissioner Hollow, Wadi,
commissioner Beki, and myself.
This is the three of us. So we were kind
of a little bit embarrassed that, you know, we only ones
that made the, this, this, this important meeting.
And uh, even um,
the council lady, Mindy Moore even said, uh,
are you gonna have to reach out
to 'em and find out what's going on?
I said, well, everybody knew we were having a meeting.
So I, I think, you know, if we're asking
for things in our budget
and then we don't show up to be there for, to represent,
it kind of makes us look bad, especially with council.
'cause there were two or three council people there.
The city attorney was there, so it didn't really look good,
but it was an excellent meeting.
So I'm glad that I made it.
And like I said, commissioner Hollow
and Commissioner Benke, they participated
and it was very, very eventful.
I know you guys got emailed the information,
but it's different when you're there
'cause you can see what's going on.
You can ask questions. Okay.
So that's the only, uh, discussion concern I have.
Does anybody else have any discussion concerns?
Okay, we'll go to I 12 D resolution representation for
planning, commissioner Saltana Childry.
And I'm gonna read that this is a resolution
whereas Saana Childry served the planning commission in an
exemplary manner as a planning commissioner from
April 9th, 2019 to November 25th, 2025,
including serving as the commission assistant secretary.
And whereas Tary Childry
provided a leadership knowledge, scholarship, wisdom,
common sense, and considerable experience
to help the Planning Commission improve its decision studies
and the plans over her tenure.
And whereas, as with sincere appreciation for her six years,
six plus years for service, that members
of the Warren Planning Commission
and the planning department commend Tana Childry
for her exceptional commitment to the Planning Commission.
Now therefore be it resolved that we, the City
of Warren Planning Commission
and Planning Department do hereby express to
Ana Childry our sincere appreciation for her unselfish,
dedicated, and outstanding efforts,
which have greatly assisted the work
of the Planning Commission and promoted the health, safety
and welfare of the City of Warren.
This resolution declared
and adopted the 26th day of January, 2026
and all of us have signed it.
She's not gonna be able to be here tonight,
so we will send this up to her.
Address being said.
Item number 13, calendar pending matters.
Seeing none, I need a motion. Item number 14.
Need a motion to adjourn.
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to adjourn.
I second that motion. A Motion by Commissioner Duhe,
support by Commissioner Hollow, Whitey.
All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? Have a good evening.
Thank you.