We ready?
I am now calling to order a regular meeting
of the City Council, Tuesday,
January 27th, 2026 at 7:00 PM Please stand for the Pledge
of Allegiance, a pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,
And to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty
and justice for all.
Roll call Madam Secretary Councilwoman Roy. Here.
Councilwoman McGee. Here. Councilman Dwyer. Here.
Councilman Bokey. Present. Councilman Lafferty? Here.
Councilman Noonan. Here. Councilwoman Moore.
We have a quorum. Next item.
Next item is adoption of the consent agenda.
So moved with discussion. Support Lafferty.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you.
Um, as most of you know, we have been leaving many items,
um, on the table, um, in an effort to
encourage the mayor to, uh, provide documentation,
um, to this council.
Um, the mayor did not provide that documentation
to us when we requested it, as she is required
to under the charter
and under a court order, um, that states anything
that the mayor has the city council can have.
Um, I thought we were very, um, um, lenient on
what we requested
because we did not request the mayor's personal notes,
which we could have.
Um, we did, um, at a few minutes before the end of the day,
before the last council meeting received, um,
some documents and what they amounted to were, um,
applications for the commission
and some emails, some scheduling emails.
Um, specifically we asked for any draft documents.
The letter from the mayor referenced a a I'll paraphrase,
but that the mayor hadn't made a final decision yet,
which is lawyer speak for.
There is a draft document, um,
but we're not calling it the final document.
So I believe there are draft documents
that we've not been provided.
Um, at this point we're going to, um, uh,
explore some other avenues to perhaps get those documents.
But, um, uh, one of the things we wanted
to find out about was if who, if there had been people
that had actually applied for the position
and there were, um, um, so at,
at this point, um, I am going to, um,
read off the items that I am making a motion to
remove these following items from
the consent agenda.
Item four.
A, B, C, D,
E-F-G-H-J-K-L-M-N-O-P-Q-R-S-T-V-W-X-Y-Z-I
kind of wanna sing something here.
Mm-hmm. Um, double A, double B, double C,
double E, double F.
And I would, um, ask to remove, uh,
item four.
DD and put that on the, um, regular agenda.
Madam Secretary. Four A through four. F,
F Is that what you said?
No, I read them specifically.
They're, they, they, they weren't all Got it. Okay. Yeah.
Okay. Um, the, so
what was four?
DD would
be 13 J.
And that, is that
About four? Aa,
The date?
Uh, what's the other one? Mary? Four
Aa.
Four aa.
We will remove, um, to the regular agenda
because there the date is wrong, so we have to do some, um,
so that will be aa
will be 13 K.
Um, under, yeah. Thank you. Mary.
Motion to, I accept those amendments.
That's motion to table or on, on table. Okay. Alright.
I'm sorry. Nevermind. You're okay.
So we are, well, we are, we do need,
we do require a motion to remove from the table. So we
Did that move from the table. You support.
So I will support, Thank
You. Councilwoman Moore's motion
to remove those items from the table as specified.
Thank you. Sorry. Okay.
So, um, the motion to remove them from the table.
And we still have a motion to approve the consent to agenda,
which I'll come back to.
Mm-hmm. Right. Okay.
Um, so this, the vote is
for removing these items from the table.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a Yes. Those items are removed from the table.
And then I had as part of my next motion, um,
to put 13 four DD
and AA as items 13 J and 13 K on the regular agenda.
Okay. And those are part of the full motion for the consent.
Okay. Um,
so now we're gonna vote on the full consent agenda.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Okay, next item is adoption of the agenda. So moved,
Support Lafferty Discussion.
I will reiterate that. What was item four? DD is now 13 J.
What, what was four? A? A is now 13 K.
Um, we'd like to add as item 12
F an update on the down payment
assistance program.
Oh, okay. Uh, just to clarify, the items
that were on the table,
the ones we didn't on table, remain on the table.
Mm-hmm. Okay.
Thank you Mary. Um, so let me start again.
Um, so as 12 f an update on the down payment assistance
program, uh, item 12 G.
Um, discussion regarding semcog.
Item 12 H will be a motion following
closed session.
And also on
where was the Marie?
That's not on the agenda.
Okay. Another ad under council business.
This would be 12 H.
12 H is the close session, closed
Session.
I, sorry, 12 I That will be, um,
I, it's gonna be regarding 75 76 prospect
and 2 1 0 6 5 fer, uh,
which are city owned properties.
And the, um, action will be to, um, transfer,
transfer those properties to the Land bank.
Uh, Madam Secretary, can you just, I'm a bit confused.
Can you clarify, um, which items from the consent
that were tabled are moving over?
Yes. Four DD and 13
or four DD and four aa.
Okay. And the rest are staying on the consent tabled?
Correct. Okay. Except that, yeah.
And the others were the ones that are tabled, stay tabled,
and the other items on the consent are approved.
Got it. Okay. Thank you. Confusing. I know it's okay.
I just wanted make sure I was clear. Yeah. Yep. Okay.
So this motion is to approve the agenda
and I have Ms. Moore and Mr.
Lafferty as the motion and support. Any other discussion?
Okay. Seeing and hearing, not hearing,
hearing none, I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is six A, uh, calendar pending matters.
Motion to receive and file
Support Lty.
Um, any discussion? Call the question. All in favor?
Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is approval of the bills
of the General Revenue Fund.
Motion to approve with discussion
Support Lafferty Uh, discussion Ms. Moore?
Yes, I would like to remove check number 6 8 8 3 7 6 in the
amount of $431 91 cents.
Um, payable to, um, Lori Stone,
um, discuss discussion.
Um, have the floor, oh, sorry.
Last week or in the last two weeks, um, I was sent a,
um, request to approve, um,
electronic payment in advance of the list of bills
for an item from the mayor's office.
At that time, um, the item requested was to
pay for signup genius,
and I sent it back
and indicated that I thought this was an item
that should be discussed in budget hearings
and that I was not comfortable approving that.
Um, there are some big problems with, um,
this program.
It is a data gathering.
It, it is, will be gathering data on residents.
We've already had problems from this, you know, um,
administration of and misuse of, of resident information.
This is third party control, personal information, names,
emails, availability is stored on a private
non-government platform.
Outside municipal data protections,
there are no city approved privacy safe safeguards.
The city has limited control over data use,
data retention, data breaches.
Um, it's basically designed for school volunteers,
social events, nonprofit signups,
but not for government fun functions.
It is not, um, really appropriate for that.
Um, it is, uh, um,
puts us into some legal and liability exposure
before foia, uh,
because, uh, requests
to sign up genius may be difficult to obtain.
And as we are aware, anything that the mayor has,
we get, and for us to ask for that
and then go to a third party,
or if somebody FOIAs it, that's difficult to get.
I think, um, you know, I'm, I'm aware of probably Mr.
Schroeder's aware of in the legal field.
Um, when you start dealing with third parties,
it's a little difficult to get those, um, that information.
I just, it, it blurs the line between, um,
using personal accounts,
blurs the line of what's appropriate.
Mm-hmm. And I'm just not comfortable
with the city using this sort of database.
Um, and at, at this time,
I don't think we should approve this repayment to the mayor.
Apparently she paid for it herself
because I didn't approve the credit card.
Um, at that time. Um,
it could have been sent over another way.
Um, and she could have tried to get it paid for,
but she went ahead and bought it herself.
I don't think that's a good practice.
Anyway, when I said that counsel should be looking at it,
and I was, I should have, I could have reached out
to everybody, but I thought it, the safe thing was for us
to discuss it later.
Um, and at this point I would certainly,
we need to discuss this.
I think we should. Maybe we need to have a ordinance
or something that we don't allow this sort of, um,
tool to be used.
Mr. Lafferty is much,
much more skilled in these matters than I am,
but just a little bit of research I did made me a little
nervous about this and not the kind of thing
we really wanna be using.
Um, so I would, um, ask, I don't know
what we can do at this point.
Maybe Mr. Schroeder could advise us that we need
to put something in place that this is,
apparently they've been using a free version.
And I would ask that all data be turned over to us, anything
that's been collected or used, um, and how that's been used.
But at this point, I think we put a, we need
to put a, a call.
I hate moratoriums,
but I think there may needs to be a stoppage, um,
on using any device such as this.
And, um, um, you know,
you can all do your your own, uh, research.
But I think we have to be very careful as elected officials
because I think this, this council
of any council I've ever seen has been extremely, um,
cognizant of transparency and we all try to be transparent
and we've been trying to force that, um, uh, into, you know,
uh, in, in the administration.
And I think that we need to err on the side of caution here
and have somebody do a little bit of more research.
So certainly I would feel more comfortable
and I, you know, whatever, you know, the rest of council,
um, believes,
but at this point I would, um, I would make a motion to
not pay that.
Um, bill at this time, take it off the list of bills
until we can discuss if, um, um,
the mayor bought it out of her own pocket.
I guess she can use it at her house,
but I don't think it should be used at City Hall
and it shouldn't be used, um, for city business.
Thank you. So
Madam Chair. Yeah, really
quickly, there's, um, motion
to approve the list of bills.
Ms. Moore, you're making a motion to
deny check 6 8 8 3 7 6.
Correct. Is there a support for Support Dwyer? Thank you.
Support for removing that. Um, discussion. Mr. Lafferty.
Thank you. And Ms. Moore, you're absolutely right.
In this third party software that we're talking about,
anybody has access, whether it's on your mobile device,
your home computer, you go to the internet, you download,
uh, a small piece of software, it's free.
Well, when you are signing up for a subscription
or you are creating an account, you, you may
or may not be asked to sign what's called a eula,
an end user license agreement.
And that's what Mr. Schroeder, uh,
will probably be tasked with here.
Uh, is is a review.
What does that eula uh,
quote unquote compel the subscriber to agree to?
When you're placing all of your information into it,
when you're establishing that account, uh,
many times you will be prompted.
I agree. You click agree.
And that click wrap, as it's commonly referred to is pages
and pages and pages long.
Who's, who's reading that?
Well, our attorneys should be reading
the end user license agreement.
We have agreements on this agenda for technical contracts,
and they have been through the city attorney's office,
they've vetted before they come here,
what information is being collected.
This was already used, Ms. Moore and Council on May
or January 15th, the mayor posted, uh, dear Warren,
community residents, business owners, students, parents
and community organizations, your warmly invited
to join a series of free community events.
And it uses signupgenius.com.
So this is already in use.
The EULA has already been accepted.
The city has already been compelled to accept the terms
of the agreement and whatever information
is being collected.
Uh, if it's resident's name, telephone number,
email address, street address, there could be provisions in
therefore selling that information to third parties
that we would never agree to.
As a, as a municipal corporation, we have a duty to protect
that information here.
This could be potentially giving it away on the street.
So we absolutely need
to protect the information of our residents.
And perhaps, uh, uh, we need to have a policy discussion on,
from a technology perspective, uh,
and especially at budget time on what can
and cannot be done, uh, to restrict the use
of unapproved software that could endanger the, uh,
private information of our, of our citizens.
Thank you,
Ms. McGee.
Um, we've been using as Signup genius, I think,
for quite some time since I've been here.
I know, um, to have people sign up
and volunteer, have our IT department even reviewed it, if
we need to find that out, if they reviewed, um,
the signup genius to see how it affect us.
And I understand what you're saying,
but I know we've been using that for quite some time
because when we, um, I believe we used it
for the skilled charity fair, um,
that they can sign up also and be a part of it.
So, um, I never thought of it that way.
Um, I would think that
it would least our IT department would take a look at it
and see how it would affect us.
I know of quite a bit of businesses
and schools that use that type of system.
Um, and, uh, if we choose to hold back, I just,
I just wanna get some clarification of how it's used
and how often it will be used from
and if our IT department will approve it.
Thank you Mr. Bokey.
Madam Chair. Uh, question for Councilman Lty,
your expertise on this, um, along with, uh,
co Councilwoman McGee?
I agree with you. It should be involved.
Um, we're talking about the protection
of our citizens' information,
but we also failed
to understand we're getting software from a third party.
We don't know if there's any malware on it. Uh, ransom.
Uh, and that could infect our whole system
and it should be involved in it.
And I, like, I,
I wouldn't mind going a little farther and amend it.
I don't know if we have the authority, but we stop the check
and we ask to shut down the site until we get assurances
that it's protected.
Um, it is not here.
Um, am I right though?
A third party software could infect a certain, you know,
your, the city operation
Madam Chair through the chair, uh, yes.
Mr. Bokey, that that is true.
That could happen, uh, without, uh,
slandering the name of Signup Genius. Uh,
They, well, they might not even know it.
They, they may not. But there, there are protections.
But that's where, uh, from a third party risk perspective,
risk management and technology controls should be in place.
That's where our policies come into play
to protect the city.
All of our technology systems are computers
and the data stored within.
And you're absolutely right.
It's one, one gateway where, uh, a a bad actor,
a third party bad actor can come in
and begin to access municipal systems.
And I mean, I've been reading a lot, uh,
in my line of work.
Uh, we're not allowed to any AI programs, we're not allowed
to download any of them.
And I don't even know if the city has that
and, you know, our employees using it shouldn't be.
Um, you know, this is stuff that's very important
that could shut down the city.
Ab Absolutely. I, I agree with you 100%.
I'll you go back. Thank you. Uh, Madam Chair.
Yeah, Ms. Moore. Um, and you know, I told you Mr.
Laffy would know way more about a lot
of this stuff than I do.
And I know there are a lot of things to, to worry about
that he's speaking of, I'm coming at this from a FOIA
and transparency issue
because the residents have a right to see
what data is being collected, what information is available,
and certainly counsel is.
And if we don't have that ability, that's a problem.
And so that's really my, my concern.
I don't, I would like to ask Mr. Schroeder
what his suggestion is at this point.
'cause I sure think we ought to shut it down right now
until we have some clear answers.
They're using a free I free set, I guess now.
I was not aware of this.
Um, unfortunately,
and I think we probably have to be careful
of things we're getting, we're using free stuff,
um, Mr. Schroeder
Through the chair to respond.
Uh, I would recommend if that's how council feels, that
the council requests that this process be paused
until there can be review of the security of the system, uh,
uh, an understanding of what data is being collected
and how it's being used and who has access to it
and come back with a report.
Uh, you can always pause something without
completely stopping it.
Just so, um, it's not really a moratorium, it's just a pause
until we can get a grip on what's really going on here.
And, you know, it may turn out there's protections in place
and so on and so forth.
But I, I don't know enough about the facts to fully
advise the council on that.
So we would have to investigate that, get the information,
and then report back and request the pause. Yeah.
And, um, the, what I read is
that the FOIA is very difficult.
So without going through big subpoenas and court cases
and all that kind of thing, um, it reminds me
of the old days of the, uh, what was the, uh, forum?
Oh, what was every, the Warren Forum
or things like that you have to get
and, you know, you have to go through court
and everything even to get documents.
So that's my concern. So I, my motion would be, uh,
at this point to pause the usage of this program
until we get answers.
Uh, maybe we set up a, a closed session
or a open, you know, a committee meeting of the whole, once,
uh, the IT department looks at it, legal's gonna have
to examine it and probably talk to sign up Genius.
Get information about how the FOIA works, how readily, um,
they can, they respond to information.
And of course, any data
that is collected council has an absolute right to, so
as part of that, I would certainly think that anything
that's generated from that program should be
provided, um, to, um, council.
So that that's not secret information.
Um, that 'cause we need to know
and we need to protect the residents from,
from dissemination of some of that stuff. So, I
Mad president, One second.
Ms. Moore made a motion. I have three motions presently.
Um, a motion, a motion to pause the program.
Is there a support for it? I'll support that. Thank you.
And then he, Mr. Newton, go ahead, Mr.
In addition to clause in the program,
aren't you also asking to, to cancel the check?
Yep. Separate motion That's,
Yeah, separate motions could
correct that coming up. There'll be three votes
On this particular item we're
Gonna table. I have
a concern. So the information that's already on it,
'cause there are certain free systems for this.
You have a, you have a system such as Google,
which you can set up and, and people can be invited
and you can send out an invite through Google
and they can respond just the same way as this program.
So, uh, that's my concern.
Do if we already have a sign up
and people have signed up to attend these type of events
and we pause and we say, stop.
Do we lose all our data? That's, that's my concern.
'cause I don't wanna lose data
and I don't want peop it prevent people from
receiving information that is needed.
The first place just, would they use another free program?
That could be, could be a third party program.
Um, I just rather request we,
even though I appreciate, um, Councilman Lafferty,
his information that he has given, we still need to get
our IT experts on top of it
and let us know what their suggestion should be
before we just pause it.
Thank you. Okay.
I'm, I'm gonna call the question here in a second.
Uh, I personally, I'm, I'm not gonna micromanage
what the mayor's office uses.
I appreciate your concerns and,
and totally respect all of that.
Um, I do think having the fee
called into question and then paying for it
and then trying to get reimbursed is a really backwards way
of doing things.
So I'm gonna deny the check myself.
Um, it's just not, I mean, it's just, you know, trying
to game a system, I guess.
I don't know. Uh, so, uh, the first motion is,
I'm just gonna call the question on the bills first
and then I'll move into the other motion.
So this vote is for the
full bills with, uh, with the exception
of check 6, 8, 8 3, 7 6.
Okay. Is everyone clear on that? Yes, ma'am. Okay.
So, uh, Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes.
Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is?
Yes. Motion carries. Next item is to deny check.
6 8 8 3 7 6.
Um, Ms. Moore made that motion. Mr.
Lafferty Dwyer note, Mr. Dwyer made that support.
I will call the question. Yeah. Point of clarification.
Uhhuh, is this a motion to deny
or a motion to table the check?
Deny. Deny. Okay.
Uh, I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Chuck is denied.
And then the next motion is
to pause the usage of the program.
Anything further in that motion? Ms. Moore?
There was a request to pause, a request, a request to pause.
Anything else in that motion? Um, no. Okay. I don't think.
Request to pause Ms. Further pending for the, okay.
Pending further review. Pending further review.
So a request to pause the program pending for the review.
Uh, I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Ms. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes.
Um, Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee? No. Rogan C is a no.
Motion carries. Next item. Next item.
Secretary Item is seven B. Approval of the bills
of the water and sewer system.
So moved. Support Dwyer.
Any discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is audience participation for agenda items only.
Good evening. Uh, members of the audience who would like
to address city Council this evening may do so
by filling out an audience form located on
the right side of the stage.
You have three mon three minutes.
There's a monitor in front here.
This, uh, agenda, this item, this audience is only
for agenda items.
There's additional time at the end for general topics.
Um, first up is David Metzler.
Good evening.
Try pushing the button.
Oh, okay. Sorry about that. Uh, good evening.
I'm going to continue the privacy theme.
Uh, regarding 13 F for the drones.
I think that it's a very bad idea in light
of what's going on nationally with ICE and whatnot.
I think that that's a fourth Amendment issue.
I worry about, uh, information being searched
that does not have authorization to be searched.
And to a lesser degree, the Fourth Amendment, um, kind
of applies to 12 e uh, regarding Amazon Air,
although I understand that that's been, uh, trialed
and Hazel Park and a couple other communities, uh, kind
of mildly concerned about that.
But 13 FI have a real problem with just given in light of
where we are in history right now.
And I really think that, uh, people need to be very mindful
of the fact that, uh, the drones could be commandeered
by ice and what have you, um, and used for other purposes.
And I think just generally, uh, violation
of the Fourth Amendment, in my opinion.
Um, so thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Metzler.
That is I think, the end of audience for agenda items.
Next item, Madam Secretary. Next item is announcements.
Madam Chair, Ms. Moore.
Um, uh, yes, uh, former councilwoman Michael Ek,
uh, passed away January 22nd, 2026.
Councilman, what did I say? Councilwoman councilman today.
Sorry, Councilman. Uh, Michael Ek.
Um, he served on this body from 1995
to 2007, and he sat where you are a one spot down Mr.
Bokey because, uh, Mr.
Ek thought that was the best spot in the house.
So I sat next to him and Keith Sadowski sat where Mr.
Nunan is. Uh, I sat there for four years with Mike.
Um, Mike was, um, very passionate about his views.
Um, we disagreed on just about everything there was
to disagree on in our votes, but we were friends
and we got along outside of, uh, this office.
Um, when I, um, was asked
to, uh, apply for the planning commission at that time,
planning was a very prestigious commission
that was the number one commission,
and it was very difficult to get on there.
People had, you know, they wanted people experience and all.
And the night I was up here to, uh, uh, be approved, um, Mr.
IC didn't know me that well at the time,
and he's made a comment to someone saying, you know,
I don't think I'm gonna vote for her.
And, and the comment was, she's actually nice to you, Mike.
Maybe you should vote for her. So he did.
And, uh, we got along pretty well after that.
Um, I was just at the funeral home
and, uh, spoke with his daughter and his wife.
Um, Mike, um, uh, was a former, uh, retired, uh,
Detroit police officer,
and, um, was very involved in, uh, Warren.
He loved Warren. Um, he was really a family man.
He loved his wife. He adored his daughter.
He was so proud of her.
And, uh, when she was a young lawyer
and she would have to travel outta state, um, to Ohio,
where somewhere he would drive her and sit and wait for her.
He was always worried about her safety.
Um, and Mike was a great, great lover of animals.
Um, he had, I know he had cats
and, um, some of the neighbors did complain one time
because he had so much love for the birds
that he was putting bird seed out.
And the entire backyard was full of geese, like solid geese.
And the neighbors weren't too thrilled,
but, uh, he did it anyway.
Um, um, Mike's had a couple rough years
and so is his family.
And, um, I certainly, um,
give my sincere condolences to his wife Denise,
who actually was, uh, worked for the city for a while.
She was the director at the, uh, Stillwell manner
or, uh, senior, uh, housing, uh, for a while.
Uh, she's a wonderful woman.
Um, I saw her today
and, uh, she's always been very beautiful
and she still is to this day, and her daughter as well.
Um, so, uh, condolences to Denise
and his daughter, Celeste Dunn.
And Mike, may you rest in peace,
Ma, Madam chair, Do you wanna do a moment?
No. Of silence? I can't if he wants to say something.
Council Madam uh, Moore. Councilwoman Moore.
Can you hold a moment of silence for Yeah.
I thought you had something more to say.
Yeah, A moment of silence, please.
Thank you.
Thank you. Um, I want to, to, um,
thank the members of the zoning, uh, board of Appeals.
I think everyone, they were, I don't think every member
of the, uh, zoning board of appeals
and a three of the, uh,
planning commissioners showed up at a joint meeting we had
last week, um, discussing some overlay districts.
And, um, Ms. McGee was there. And, uh, Mr.
Newnan, uh, Mr. Schroeder, um, Mr. Ms.
Worth, you weren't there, but people from your office were,
we were discussing the need for an overlay district
and some planning and zoning issues.
And I just wanna say how much I appreciate the zoning
and planning members, uh, uh, showing up.
It was sort of some new information
to certainly the zoning board of appeals.
And everybody listened, and I appreciate that.
Um, we'll probably be discussing this a little bit further
on down the line, but I thought it was really good for all
of us to be together and get a heads up on kind
of what's coming down the pike so that we all understand it.
And I, I think the plan is to maybe do some more
of those meetings, um, in the future.
And, um, I think we need to make sure
that we have our budget reflects that,
that there are gonna be some maybe quarterly meetings
and make sure we play, we pay them
for their attendance at those meetings.
But again, thank you very much.
Um, we had some, uh, police, uh,
promotions this week, so congratulations
to Deputy commissioner Matthew Beck.
Captain Gregory Butin, Lieutenant Don Donald Byers li uh,
Lieutenant Chad Ock
Wallow, I think, uh, Lieutenant Jeffrey Ang,
Sergeant Brian Heron, corporal Shane Stanton,
corporal Daniel Richardson, officer Mark, English Officer
Evan Gian, officer Jessica Finchem, officer Cade Perrin.
Officer Jason Dempsey, officer Brandon Patton.
Officer Liam Saras, officer Yolanda GaN,
officer Brandon Halsted and the officers, um,
or our new officers.
They've, you know, maybe not this week
or last week, but they're fairly new.
They were recognized. We joined the department
and dispatcher Nathan Daniels and Dispatcher Madison Pote.
Also some of, uh, the, uh, new canines
and their handlers were there.
I think Diesel was there and Kipp
and can't remember the third.
But anyway, they were there.
They were the highlight of the event as always.
Also, uh, tonight the Warren City Council recognizes
and honors two members of the Warren Fire Department,
who are concluding distinguished careers in Public service
Battalion Chief John Simon retires.
After 25 years of dedicated service to the city of Warren,
throughout his career,
chief Simon demonstrated steady leadership, professionalism,
and a deep commitment to the safety of our residents
and to the firefighters.
He served alongside his years of service,
represent a significant contribution to this department
and to the community it protects.
We also recognize Battalion Chief Anthony Valletta,
who retires after 25 years of service
to the Warren Fire Department.
In addition to his leadership as a battalion chief,
chief Valletta served the department's technical rescue
team, and as a member of Michigan Task Force one,
providing specialized skills during complex
and high risk operations.
In 2023, chief Fileta
and his crew were formerly recognized
for rescuing a victim from a house fire.
An example of the courage, training
and teamwork that defined his career.
On behalf of the Warren City Council
and the residents of the city of Warren,
we thank Battalion Chief Simon
and Valletta for their years of service,
leadership, and sacrifice.
We are grateful for their commitment to this city
and wish them health, happiness,
and success in the years ahead.
That is it for me. Yes, absolutely.
Any other announcements? Hearing and seeing none.
Uh, we'll move on to the next item.
Next item is, uh, uh, counsel
Business Legal update 12 a Mr.
Schroer motion to approve
Support Lty, Uh, discussion.
Mr. Schroeder, over to you.
Yes, we have a few other items under Council business
where we can address those issues,
but I just wanna say that, um, during the budget
hearings last year, um, the council directed
that I work with the City Attorney's Office
and, um, the housing commission
to amend the housing commission ordinance
to bring it up to date.
It is the Housing Commission ordinance is 30
to 50 years out of date.
Um, and as part of that,
the Housing Commission is an independent employer
under state law.
And it's been acting like the city's the
employer for, for 30 years.
And, um, we have put together an employment,
an operations agreement, where the city will support
the housing commission,
but be compensated for the use of its employees
and services provided by the city.
And this employment and operations agreement clarifies who's
the employer and what the responsibilities are.
Uh, that agreement would is proposed to be approved
by council, signed by the mayor and clerk,
and the housing commission.
The housing Commission approved the agreement
at their Thursday meeting.
So that means that the next meeting,
we can bring back the first reading of the ordinance,
and then at the second reading of the ordinance,
we can have the agreement proposed
for approval by City Council.
And we'll finally have an UpToDate compliant ordinance that
files state law and clarifies, uh, roles
and responsibilities according to law.
And, uh, between myself, uh, Sean Clark, the director,
and Mary Michaels
and Laura Sullivan on her staff who worked on it,
we're all in agreement that this is the right thing to do.
So, um, there's
Amen.
Look forward to bringing that. So
that's one item my pen to foreshadow on.
But, um, we, uh, other than that,
I can answer any questions, but we have a few other things,
uh, to discuss under council business.
Thank you. Um, motion to receive
and file this, uh, Ms.
Mr. Schroer's report. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?
Okay. Next item. Next item is Council Secretary Mindy Moore.
Discussion in Ray Open Government ordinance. So moved,
Support Lafferty. Discussion.
Discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you, Madam Chair.
Um, well, it's come to my attention.
It's come to everybody else's attention in the world
that the open government ordinance is not being implemented.
This ordinance is law. It is a mandate, not an option.
Periodically requests are made for basic information
regarding the membership of city boards,
commissions, and authorities.
Specifically, how many members are currently serving,
whether vacancies exist and when terms expire.
If the administration were complying
with the open government ordinance adopted April 11th, 2023,
this information would already be publicly available
and readily accessible.
The ordinance explicitly requires that
the current membership roster of each board, commission,
or authority shall be published on the city's website.
With the expiration of the term of office
of each member disclosed.
Many municipalities comply with this requirement.
As a matter of course, their residents can easily determine
who is serving, whether vacancies exist,
and when terms end all without having to submit inquiries
or rely on informal responses.
This is not an unfunded mandate in the City of Warren.
Compliance does not require additional staffing
resources or expenditures.
What it does require is respect for the rule of law
and a commitment to transparency.
The continued failure to implement
this ordinance is neither an oversight
nor a technical challenge.
It is a refusal to comply
with a dually adopted legal requirement.
Absent immediate corrective action,
I will request formal legal guidance from the council
attorney regarding available remedies
and enforcement mechanisms to ensure compliance
with the open government ordinance.
I am deeply troubled by this disregard for both the law
and the public's Right to transparency.
Mr. Schroeder, what can we do about this?
I saw this item was on the agenda.
So I did a little research.
You know, the council is the legislative body.
The council passes ordinances,
the administration implements those ordinances.
In this particular case,
there's some transparency requirements
that frankly you can find on most municipal websites
throughout southeast Michigan.
As I was doing this research, I went to, uh, my own hometown
and pulled up the website and it had a list
of every board and commission member.
It had their expiration date.
It even said if there was a vacancy.
I mean, all that detail was there.
Um, these ordinances are the lie. I have to agree with that.
In fact, just in June of 2025, this last summer,
the Michigan Supreme Court ruled on an ordinance in another,
um, governmental entity where the ordinance was requiring
the, uh, executive branch
to provide access to certain records.
And the Michigan Supreme Court in no uncertain terms, said,
this is the ordinance, it's the law.
This is mandatory. You have to do it.
And, uh, the taxpayers pay a lot of money for that lawsuit
to go all the way to the Supreme Court.
But the guidance from the Supreme Court is clear that
an ordinance is the law.
The only defense that the administration would have
for not implementing this ordinance is
that counsel is not providing the resources
and the budget for them to do so.
So, uh, in reality, the the ordinance should be implemented.
Um, my understanding is
that funding isn't the issue for this.
Um, and so other than that, it just has to be done.
And I think a reasonable time has been given.
So, uh, I would suggest that maybe, um,
you let me have a discussion with, uh, Ms.
Michaels about this.
Uh, get her feedback on it
and, uh, come back with a report like next week.
I, I don't need to research this anymore.
I'm very firm in, uh, the legal opinion
that this has to be done.
And that, um, aside from funding, uh, objections,
which none have been raised, that there is no reason
that this law should not be implemented.
Thank you. Anything? I think you agree with me.
I yeah, a hundred percent agree with you.
Um, um, yeah, Madam Chair, um, yeah, this is just,
it seems to be every argument
and disagreement
or whatever we're having is with this total lack
of transparency and giving counsel what they asked for.
It makes absolutely no sense.
Um, it just boggles my mind
to think that this simple, simple things, it's a push
of a button to get that information
and it, it should be readily available to us.
I really don't understand.
And you know, this last exercise, we thought, oh,
if we were tabling items that affected the operation
of the city or the department heads that would do something,
it did absolutely nothing.
The mayor didn't give a hoot what she was doing to the city.
I had department heads. The mayor told people, call Mindy.
Instead of them telling her, you do what's right, no,
call Mindy and beg her to put him, they didn't have
to beg me any, everybody that called said,
I have this important issue.
Could you please put it on? And we did that.
There was no incentive on the,
or intention on the part of any of us to stop the operations
of the city or to hurt anyone,
but only to send a message to the mayor.
You need to start following the ordinances and the law.
And, um, so I I, this is just,
this is gonna be a rough next
almost two years if we don't get some changes going.
'cause it's just not fair to the department heads.
It's not fair to us or, or the resident.
Certainly not the resident.
So, um, I'm certainly in favor of Mr. Schroeder speaking
with, um, um, Ms.
Michaels and see if they can't come
to figure this out somehow.
So thank you. So this will just be a motion to receive
and file the conversation.
'cause you're gonna have request motion
to request Mr. Schroeder to speak with, okay, um, Marian
and, and report back to counsel.
Do I need a new motion for that, Mary? No. Okay.
So Ms. Moore and Mr.
Lafferty made the original motion, uh, any other discussion?
Okay. I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes.
Motion carries. Next item, next point of order.
Yeah, we have to do the minutes. We skipped. Yeah. Okay.
We need to go back to item 12 B, which is approval
of the minutes of January 13th, 2026.
And special meeting minutes of January 8th, 2026. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Any discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I call the question Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
I apologize for the oversight. And is Mr. Spiller here?
It's freezing up here. I know it's cold.
Real cold, freezing.
And even with these bright lights baking on us,
it's still cold, but not sure that's your fault.
Might be Johnson Controls.
The new system might not be working. Just saying.
I know. Um, next item is, uh,
12 D Council Secretary Mindy Moore.
Discussion and adoption of a resolution
regarding the missing middle overlay district.
Um, Mr. Schroeder, uh, motion to approve
support Lafferty uh, discussion.
Ms. Moore, uh, Mr. Schroeder, can you explain this?
This follows up on the, uh, joint meetings of the
Planning Commission and zoning board
of appeals from last week
and council's earlier directives, motions
and resolutions regarding the missing middle overlay
district, which is being proposed.
Um, and the, the motion would be to, uh,
have the city be the applicant for this change.
There is some suggestion, maybe
the developer who's currently involved
with a proposal be the applicant,
but this missing middle isn't just for one developer.
This is an economic development initiative led
by the city council to, uh, help transform
a large portion of this south, uh, portion of the city,
specifically southeast portion.
And, uh, my understanding is Hunter Manus from the Economic
Development Office, um, who's done an excellent job
at presenting on this, on educating, uh, council
and the public and working with, uh, developers, um,
is willing to, uh, take the lead and present this.
Um, it would have to go
through planning and come to council.
And so that would be the request for a motion
that the city be the, uh, applicant and Mr.
Manus can, uh, be the advocate for this,
for economic development purposes.
Okay. Any other discussion?
Okay. I will call the question. Ms. Moore. Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan?
Most definitely. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 e Council Secretary Mindy Moore.
Discussion and adoption of a resolution regarding notice
of avail availability for the draft environmental assessment
for Amazon Prime Air package delivery operations
in Detroit, Michigan.
So moved with discussion support. Ty uh, discussion Ms.
Mark, Mr. Schroder?
I, for some reason can't get connected to any of my items.
Yeah, I'm, I'm having None
of our links work with our backup.
I'm having connectivity issues too.
So, um, without having the documents in front
of me from memory, I have some of them printed.
I can tell you that the, um, there's a proposal for
Amazon to do air package delivery in an area
that would include the City of Warren.
And the, there is a notice of availability for a,
an environmental assessment.
The Federal Aviation Administration has, uh,
jurisdiction over this.
And so the idea is that the city should
submit a statement about the impact of this on, on residents
and what this could do if their,
their drones going over parks or public areas
or even residential areas.
And I know our neighbor
to the North Sterling Heights has prepared
a draft statement to submit.
Um, and also, uh, we could ask
for a public hearing in Warren, uh, so that they could come
to the city and have a public hearing
and discuss what the environmental impact is,
whether it's noise or, or otherwise.
Um, and, uh, so I think the idea here is to, uh,
request that something be submitted.
The deadline, I think is mid-February.
Again, I can't pull up the document
'cause of the connectivity problem here,
but the deadline's in mid-February.
So we're gonna have to get rolling on this pretty quickly
and have a, uh, I know miss, uh, council Secretary Moore,
you have found some relevant documents that might help.
And I just don't know who in the city would be the person
that would take the lead on it, but, um,
Madam Chair. Mm-hmm.
Um, I, I, when I first got this, I forwarded,
I think I, I might have been to you Brent.
And then, um, uh, Lieutenant Roy. Is it Lieutenant Roy?
I assumed you're involved with this. Can you?
And I, I did reach out to Sterling Heights, um, the, uh, uh,
city manager and he, um,
and I did get documents from, um, the police, well,
he's actually the assistant city, uh, manager now
who was the former police chief. Uh, Dale Dewa,
The police department.
Yeah. The police department
and fire departments did, uh, respond to the letter request,
um, to the FAA.
And so we did submit a document about our position on, uh,
Amazon drug deliveries.
Can you get that, um, a copy of that to counsel please?
Lieutenant Roy? Absolutely.
Lieutenant Roy has the copy. He can
Point. Okay. Yes.
Um, and,
and I know one of the things that Sterling is, um,
they had requested, um, um, an in-person meeting
with Amazon Prime.
Uh, we have also requested an in-person
meeting. We were waiting to hear back.
Okay. Alright. So I was,
I didn't hear anything back whether anyone was addressing
this, I assumed you would be.
'cause you're the, and I, and I know that in one of the, um,
um, demonstrations, um, Councilman Bokey was there with me
and I, we, they,
I don't know if they touched on the Amazon delivery there
or one of the other times I was over in the, in the, um,
what do you call the drone room
Exactly That The Drone, the drone room.
The drone room. Okay. We were the drone room
and we, I, I know it was told to us
that you guys have worked
and understand about the whole Amazon, um,
kind of delivery stuff.
And, um, I figured you were the best, best ones,
but we kind of wanted
to at least have a draft in case we had to take this over
because there's some things we're having
difficulty getting done.
Um, so we just, you know, in case we had
to take the lead, we wanted to make sure.
So I'm glad you're on it.
And if you could provide a copy, if you could send it
to council office, Mary will get it to everybody.
Absolutely. And if you wanna explain what,
what the, what you're doing. Sure.
Our, our letter, uh, was, was narrowly focused
to the public safety implications of the drone flights.
So requesting, uh, airspace deconfliction priority
for public safety missions
and things of that nature, uh, was the general path of our
Letter. Okay. So
you didn't, you didn't, um,
address then noise impact in residential areas, parks,
trails, and recreational resources?
No, we did not. We just covered the
public safety implications.
So, and so maybe we should Okay.
So you've already submitted it without
input from residents regarding that.
So that's a meeting, that's a,
to be included in the meeting maybe.
Yeah. I don't know if we can address those issues.
Supplemental, can we do a supplemental or Well,
Absolutely. Yes.
Okay. Sit down. Because maybe we wanna address those
items that we might have.
'cause I think there's a, there's a place
for public comment at some point
because we, we do want the residents
to, 'cause they might have concerns.
So we would like to figure that in.
So let's, we'll work that out.
Um, Mr. Schroeder maybe can talk to Ms.
Michaels and, and, um, circle back with, um,
you fine gentlemen.
And, um, so that we get that other part may be addressed.
Sure, no problem. We'll get that letter over.
Uh, awesome. Thank you so much. You are welcome.
Adam Chair, mad Chair.
Uh, Mr. Bokey and Mr. Ty
For police department, please, uh,
I haven't seen your report,
but did you address the possibility of other vendors, UPS
and FedEx if they were to join on a program like that,
what the safety would be then?
'cause the risk is gonna go up higher
with more drones up there.
I mean, you're gonna have packages
flying all around the city.
Yes, absolutely. We, we didn't address, we addressed the,
the, the question they asked, we kept it broad
to all commercial carriers, not specific to Amazon,
Because UPS is testing them down south right now,
so they'll probably be the next one.
Knocking on the door eventually.
One of many. Yes. Yeah. Thank you.
You're welcome Mr. Lafferty.
Thank you also to you, gentlemen. Good evening. Thank you.
Good evening. Uh, the couple of questions that I had on,
uh, Christmas Eve.
My wife and I were outside for about an hour.
It was late morning
and there was no less in, in an hour span.
12 drones that went overhead over our backyard.
That is so cool. And I'm thinking to myself, okay,
summertime, people are outside.
They're enjoying their, their pools.
They're in their bathing suits.
What is the, the expectation of privacy here?
Now, I seem to remember long ago when I was, was very young,
there was a lot of controversy about the Detroit City
airport expansion and the air traffic routes
and the kind of interference it would have
on the local neighborhoods.
Much the same argument today. And Mr.
Bokey brings up an excellent point.
This is, this problem's only going to get worse.
So I'd, I'd really like to understand
and explore, have we fully explored with our neighboring,
uh, our partners in our neighboring
cities restricted airspace?
And can we enforce if, if, uh, i,
is it Elon Musk that can land the, the rockets
bring them right back down and twist them around?
And, and if they can do that,
they can avoid flying over our backyards
and they can follow the street routes
and deliver their packages that way.
But I certainly am not a proponent of having
air traffic like that at such a low level
flying over my backyard in the backyards
of my neighbors all day long.
Uh, and, and having to, to listen to that,
that is not what we signed up for.
And so I, I think it is imperative
that we get ahead of this.
Uh, and then what the other concern that I have is, uh,
piracy, somebody sending up a drone of their own,
sending it in the path of, of one of these.
Uh, we can't do that, these drones,
and we can't do that, you know, knocking it out of the sky,
uh, you know, someone's having, uh, too good
of a time and and side.
So I'm gonna get my rifle out and shoot one out of the sky.
I mean, these are serious issues.
These are serious, uh, questions that have to be asked.
What are they doing about this?
So those, those are my initial concerns.
I'm very interested in, in following this
and making certain that we, uh,
we have a viable impact statement sent to, uh,
sent to the powers that be.
Thank you
Madam President. I'd like
to just, uh, support Councilman Lafferty's points.
I think our, our council's making good points.
Thank you. Uh, let's see.
Is there a motion here? Yes.
To send, have Mr. Schroeder, um, discuss maybe
with Mary Michaels circle back to,
um, police department.
The police involve the police and, okay. Thank you.
Uh, I will call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Thank you. Just to, I really wanna thank Sterling Heights.
They've really been forthcoming with some
of the things we have, um, coming up
and, um, they offered, you know, help
and sometimes it's not, doesn't make sense
to reinvent the wheel when somebody else has done something.
So, and thank you, thank you very much for being here.
Thank you. Next item is
12 f uh, discussion
regarding the Down Payment Assistance program.
Motion to receive and file with discussion
Support Lafferty Uh, discussion Ms. Moore.
Thank you. Um, we are now in the, um, uh,
we have approved the vendor
for the down payment assistance program,
which is National Faith Home Buyers.
We have an agreement, um, as part of their, um, work.
They will be creating a website to be used, um,
during, for this process.
And, um, Mr. Lafferty, Ms.
Um, Roy and I have been involved in this process, the RFP
and um, this whole program from the beginning.
And as they're going through the website of, of the creation
of the, of the website, I think it's important for,
you know, there to be periodic check-ins for us
to be updated on that.
So my, just to update everybody that, um,
when something comes up, if one of the three of us can, um,
participate in a meeting, an update meeting, we'll just kind
of see who's available and, and whatever.
And we'll just watch that.
Um, if that works for everybody mm-hmm.
Works for me. Okay? Mm-hmm.
Absolutely. So I will make this a motion
to receive and file.
Yeah. Um, any other discussion?
Seeing and hearing none? I'll call the question.
All in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay.
Motion carries. Next item. Next item is 12 G Semcog.
Uh, motion to approve the discussion.
Support Lafferty.
Discussion. Ms. Mark. Thank you.
I was contacted, uh, last, uh, week by a member
of Semcog asking if I would attend their meetings
and, um, found out
that there we have no voting delegate at the Emco.
And, uh, further research, um, the, this body has
to approve the, uh, appointment of a delegate.
So I would ask that I be approved
as a voting delegate to go to semcog.
I will nominate Ms. Moore to act as the delegate
for Foreign City Council at Emco.
This is board D our, okay.
Any other discussion or nominations? Okay.
I will call the question. Mr. Lafferty?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Uh, Mr.
Noonan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Ms. Moore? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Congratulations Ms. Moore.
More responsibility. I know, I know. Next item.
Um, next item is 12 H,
which is a motion following closed session.
Um, the motion is to authorize Laura Hallahan
and Jeff Schroeder to proceed
as discussed in closed session.
And they are the only attorneys that are authorized
to be dealing with this matter
as discussed in closed session.
So that is my motion support Lafferty. Alright.
Since this is a closed session matter, I'm not going
to accept discussion.
I think, did I say it right? Do you wanna say something Ms.
Schroer? Okay, we're good.
Um, I'm not gonna accept discussion
and I will call the question.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. It's okay. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 12 I
and I have lost my, um, ability to my notes.
75, 76 prospect and Oh yeah. Yep. Okay. Yes. I dunno.
The second. Yep. 75.
It's the motion is to transfer the, um,
75, 76 prospect
and 21 0 65 fer from the city to the Land Bank.
Motion to approve support, um, motion support.
Um, Ms. Moore, can you tell us why these?
Uh, yes, these, um,
there is a Blight Elimination program available
to us from the State Land Bank Authority.
And these, um, uh, properties need to be, um, torn down
and we have available to the Land Bank, uh, funds
that we can, uh, use, eliminate the blight,
we can tear them down, that will save money for the city
where they don't have to expend those, those, um, funds.
And we will have two sites that are, uh, ready to be sold
and they'll be, you know, saleable properties that, uh,
that money will we sell those
and that money will then go to the land Bank.
That will help us to further
do some more of these kind of things.
Okay. Excellent. Any other discussion?
Hearing and seeing none, I will call the question.
Ms. Moore. Yes. Sorry. Reverse. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Uh, Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is? Yes.
Motion carries Next item.
Next item is 13 A, which was tabled 1 13, 20 26.
Request of the fire department to approve an RFP
for stainless steel cabinets
and shelving for new fire stations, number one and five,
and to appoint a member of counsel
to serve on the RFP Motion to remove from the table.
12.
No, not under 12. 12 K.
I have those should be under 13.
Those should be 13. I apologize. Sorry.
No worries.
Uh, okay.
13 A. The motion is
to remove it from the table, Ms. Moore, correct?
Correct. I need a support. Support to remove from table.
Thank you. I will call the question
to remove this item from the table.
Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Laffey? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey?
Yes. Mr. Newnan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is, yes.
Item is removed from the table.
Motion to approve with discussion support. Dwyer.
Uh, discussion Ms. Moore? Thank you.
My question is going to be why are we doing these
after market, so to speak?
Items. We just spent millions
of dollars on new fire stations, and now we're adding things
after the fact of the building.
I'm not quite sure what's going on with this. Mr. Mr. Mr.
McAdams?
Good evening counsel. Good evening. Yes.
Um, partners in architecture designed the station
and upon, um, our guys occupying the station
and bringing over all of their pots, pans,
spices, everything that they did, um,
they requested additional cabinetry to
keep the put, to be able to put everything away in a manner
that, um, wouldn't have things sitting on countertops
and or without adding wooden shelves
that would detract from the station design.
So this was a request by the actual occupants of the station
to add additional shelving
and additional cabinetry to support, um,
keeping things neat and tight tied.
I'm, uh, not surprised about that.
Uh, my first look at the kitchens,
I didn't think anything was big enough to hold the size, uh,
um, cooking, um, vessels that they use.
I thought it was a very, that kitchen has never been,
the kitchens have never been what I think are adequate.
Um, but, um,
and I, I think part of it, I don't think that
the actual firefighters
that lived there were considered enough.
I think decisions were made without quite
enough input from them.
The people that are living there.
Um, and I will say this, uh, I may may sound sexist,
but, um, I think on some of these things, you, in a kitchen,
you need to have a woman go look
and they'll tell you how they're supposed to look. Sorry.
Well, the, I don't know who designed the kitchen.
The consultants that, the company that partners hire.
Um, I know that it was designed to accommodate cooking
for 10 people.
Um, that's the maximum occupancy
of firefighters at the station based on the number of dorms
and that the station, the proportions of the station
for the kitchen dining, um, day room area
that were there were all considerations based upon
our desire to have a three bay station housing,
10 people, up to 10 people.
Um, in terms of cabinetry, uh, the size
of the cabinets are standard for stainless steel.
To ask for a larger cabinets in terms
of depth and width would've added considerable cost
to the, uh, cabinetry that was installed.
So our option was to either go
with the stainless steel in the standard size
or to, um,
request a deviation in that wood cabinets
that were not commercial grade,
and then wouldn't have lasted the expected 50
to 70 years that we,
that our current stations have lasted.
Yes, we did include, we did do an upgrade
of cabinetry within the existing fire stations, going
to a stainless steel.
Um, however, that was to go to a commercial base,
removing the old wood cabinets that just didn't hold up.
So it was a combination of the standardized size
of stainless steel cabinets, cost considerations,
and coming in within a given dollar amount.
Wow. I have been asking the question
of why the cabinets were so, um, shallow.
'cause I knew they weren't big enough to put some
of those pans that the guys cook with.
And so this has been since way before Station five opened.
Why, what, who made this mistake? Why was this done?
It was not a mistake there. Well,
No. Well, I'm telling you, nobody
had an answer.
This is the first time we have been asking
and talking about this.
We've been at the stations.
This is the first time I've heard any explanation
of why they weren't adequate.
I'm, I'm just saying, you know, you spend millions
and millions of dollars and then we're gonna nickel dime on
the facility.
The area that they use the most in that,
in every fire station I've been in,
it's used the most the kitchen and the day room.
Right? Yes. And, you know, there were nickel dimming on
that makes absolutely no sense to me.
I know it's already done,
and so I'm not gonna certainly stop this,
but if I, I just, yeah, I'm, I'm not happy with,
With that one, the cabinets that the,
the cabinets in the shelving that they are requesting are
a under a under cabinet.
One of them is a under cabinet for the, the coffee station.
So that the coffee, the coffee
and all of the things that go with coffee,
I'm not a coffee drinker, are put in a cabinet underneath.
They're requesting a spice rack
shelf container so that all of their,
um, Costco
Size spices, Costco size spices in the large quantities
can be stored over the stove or, or near the stove.
They're requesting additional cabinetry near
the, um, the garbage area.
So that supplies for additional bags
and things for cleaning the kitchen can be stored there.
The pots and pans fit in the cabinets.
The cabinets, everything is put away except
for these types of things that they're asking for
and contained in a need, an orderly manner.
So they don't want to detract from the look of the station.
They want to, they want to ensure that it stays looking
clean and neat and orderly.
Right. I think that, yeah, I totally agree with that.
I want it that way too. But, you know,
we all know if you go in any fire station, the old ones,
you know, there's huge box, you know, bottles
or whatever of spices and stuff all over the kitchens
because there isn't storage, so.
Correct. Those stations are too small.
Right. I just think that there was not enough foresight
on some of these things.
So that's, look, that's my opinion. Um, there's no point.
You and I arguing about this. It's already done.
Uh, we'll just log it and think about it for next time.
It probably, there won't be a station
built probably in my lifetime.
Um, but anyway, I just, hopefully,
Hopefully, Thank you.
I don't know. I was hoping I live a long time
or you're hoping the stations get built early.
Well, I, you're supposed to say both.
I, I, I do hope you live a long time. Thank you.
But until I'm told no, I'm gonna keep asking
for another station.
Yeah. Yeah. We need, or in the remodel station. We're
Gonna need 'em. We're gonna need 'em.
So anyway, thank you for your time.
Appreciate it. Thank you. You mad chair? Uh, Mr. Bokey,
Um, Mr. Uh,
commissioner, uh,
could we have Mr. Fox approach also,
please? Let's talk money.
Uh, I'm code too, so that's why I have my code on
Let's Talk Money. Where's
the money coming from?
Construction Bond.
Good evening.
Richard Fox, city controller.
Yeah, so we, it come from our construction bond funding
That we Oh, okay.
Is this the, uh, I attended DDA meetings
and a lot of this stuff goes right to the DA
and doesn't even get council approval.
It's approved over there.
Well, no. When the budget's prepared annually, it,
it gets approved by council at that time.
And then the DA spends the money
And they spend the money.
And my question is, is there money left over from the bond
sale for the new stations?
Is that the construction fund
you're talking about? Yeah, there
Is, there is some money left over.
I can supply a report to council.
So detail Of what's left over. Yeah.
This time you came to council,
but you could have went to DDA
'cause of it's Gonna be over.
It seems like you're, I don't know if they're picking
or choosing who they go to,
but if, you know, if it had to deal with the, the building
and there was a a, a bond is issued for that.
If they're handling it all,
they should handle it. All right.
That's where it's coming from.
Okay. No further questions,
unless anybody else does. Thank you. You're
Welcome. Thank you.
I will call the question.
Oh, yes. Thank you.
Who would like to be nominated
for the RFP?
I'm already on the display. Okay.
I, I nominate Councilman Dwyer.
Okay. So we'll make that a part of the motion.
I'll accept Ms. Moore and Ms. Uh, Mr.
Dwyer, if you're comfortable with that addition.
So we'll approve the item and, uh, appoint Mr.
Dwyer to the RFP. Good? Mm-hmm. Okay. Sounds good.
We'll call the question Ms. Moore. Absolutely. Mr. Dwyer?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries.
Next item Next time is 13 B, which was a three,
three tie on 1 13 20 26, which was formally four N,
which is tabled 12 16 20 25.
Proposed resolution approving renewal of cable franchise
for wide open West Michigan, LLC,
under Uniform Video Services, local Franchise Act,
consideration and adoption of a resolution motion.
Well, it's just a reconsideration.
If it's a tie or of un tabling. It's no action table.
So this, okay.
I'll make a motion to approve the discussion.
Support. D Where, thank you.
Discussion Mr. Lafferty. Thank
You. Through the chair to Ms. Michaels.
Please.
I didn't even know she was here. She hiding.
I don't even didn't even know that.
We've never had a tie in all of the years.
That's so strange. Hi, Ms. Michael
Thi 'cause you were here.
Thank you. Per our last meeting,
we had some lively discussion about the PEG fee
and the restrictions, the pass through to subscribers
and the direction was that you were going to go back to Wow.
And discuss with your counterpart.
Uh, did you make any progress with with we
No progress.
Um, we're dealing with an officer who's very busy.
In fact, he's out of town.
First opportunity he will have to speak to me is tomorrow.
He couldn't respond on a substantive basis to the request.
Alright. Request was, of course, provide the city
with the 2% peg, but don't pass it on to subscribers.
Yeah, because, and,
and again, the reason why I was asking for this was
to give you leverage to go back to while saying
that your legislative body was not necessarily the,
the motion failed because there was a tie vote,
but there were, you know, significant number
that didn't agree that this was the, the right path forward.
And so to give you leverage and your discussion
and then ask for were there alternative means for them to,
you know, come back with the other item.
That, that should be noted that since our discussion, uh,
or just prior to the discussion, digital Bridge
and Crestview Partners, uh, acquired
wide open west and it was a
$1.5 billion transaction.
It's a private equity firm that acquired them.
Although they do say that they are going to continue, uh,
those affiliated services.
So I don't know if that's going to also, you know,
tie into if we have to do an assignment in this, uh,
in this agreement or not.
The state is looking for a signature.
I just received the application,
so don't have enough information about the actual,
the merger and how that affects
or trickles down to wide open.
West wide Open West will be a wholly owned subsidiary.
And yes, the representation is,
nothing will change in Warren.
Okay. But there can't be an assignment
until there's a franchise.
Understood. Understood.
My, my last question to you is,
and it's really more of a concern, is Section X
on at the top of page seven of the franchise agreement.
And it is the termination and modification clause.
And the modification clause looks to be severely limiting.
And this is a 10 year agreement.
And if we don't have the ability to modify the agreement
after one year, two years, three years,
like we typically would under a one
of our city issued standard renewal, three years,
three years, three years, one year,
we'd have the opportunity to come
back, say, this isn't working.
We need to modify, we need to adjust this.
The termination and modification section number one doesn't
give us, looks like the ability to modify
for other than specific reasons.
And then secondly, the termination clause isn't clear.
Is it for cause?
Is it for without, uh, without cause
how many days notice is required.
Those are elements that I would expect
to see in this type of agreement.
That is the form agreement from the state.
I could ask white open West to agree to
mod modified language.
I don't think that they'd object to that.
I would, I would, I I don't see that as being a,
something to hold this up.
The Okay. The, the entire crux of my argument is
that this is 10 years we're agreeing to and we're locking in
and that we have absolutely no way to modify
once we take that vote. Yes ma'am.
My recommendation would be to include a reopener.
We have to re negotiate with Comcast
for its renewal next January.
Okay, but that's Comcast not well,
Yeah, it's Comcast. Yes.
But we could include a reopener with wide open west.
Alright. So a reopening clause?
Yes. Alright. Yes.
And what, at what interval would you suggest?
Would that be an, an annual interval?
Two years, three years?
This is a unilateral, um,
matter request on our part.
So our recommendation, our request to wide up west would be
to reopen following the approval of a,
a grant of a franchise with Comcast.
And then every three years thereafter,
we're giving wide open west a 10 year agreement.
Mm-hmm. Which is well beyond.
And we, the past expiration,
I don't think, I don't see them as opposing a reopener.
Okay. Got it.
Alright. Thank you Ms. Michaels.
I appreciate the, uh, the commentary.
I have no other questions.
Uh, any other discussion? Okay.
Hearing and scene? None. I'll call the court.
I'm sorry. I was, I was going to yield
for any other discussion.
I will make an amendment then. Sure.
So I'd like to amend that we inc the city
of Warren include a reopening clause following the
establishment of the franchise
and to include the reopener every three years
thereafter. Is that sufficient?
Perfect. Excellent.
Ms. Moore and Mr. Dwyer,
you're comfortable with the addition?
You are. Okay. Uh, I will call the question Ms. Moore.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Bokey? Yes. Uh, Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is?
Yes. Motion carries.
Can I ask one of the officers to open up one of the doors?
We, I, it's my understanding
legally we have to have a door open.
Thank you. Okay, next item. So open meetings, Zach? Yeah.
Thank you. Next item 13 C requests
of the engineering department, treasurer's office,
and the historical commission for a transfer of funds
between line items in the amount of
$2,550
and an appropriation of funds in the amount of $70,000
to cover contractual benefit increases
and the purchase of a historic plaque.
Motion to approve support Dwyer,
uh, support Dwyer.
Any discussion, hearing and seeing?
Then I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes.
Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes.
Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C as a? Yes. Motion carries.
Next item. Next item is 13 D.
Request of the library commission
for an additional appropriation of funds in the amount
of $2,556,738
for the construction of a new library
as awarded in bid ITBW 1478.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution. So moved.
Support Lty. Any discussion,
hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 e request of the police
and fire departments for an additional appropriation
of funds in the amount of $367,786
to cover the cost of purchasing
and installing drone docks consideration
and adoption of a resolution.
So moved with discussion, support. Support.
Boy, key discussion Ms. Moore. Thank you.
Um, I, um, some of our finest would like
to come up and explain.
Um, Mr. Bokey
and I were actually able to see the,
those were the docking stations we saw, right?
Yes. Where the came out and the
Yes. At the, at the, uh,
drone demonstration you saw the drone
docks, they opened up and our pre, our request
for budget amendment is to fund, uh, joint operations
between the police department and fire department
for, uh, the drone decks.
It's very cool to see them open up
and then they come out. And that's,
I'd like to point out that, uh, the both accident
and skydio have flown in representatives
to answer any questions that council
may have regarding the project.
Thank you. Thank you very much for being here.
I I actually have all my questions answered
because I was at the presentation.
Um, but certainly if anyone else has questions,
Madam President Mr. Newnan?
Yeah. Hi. Um, the, uh,
items on our agenda 13 E and 13 F seem to be connected.
13 F talks about drone stocks
and software for 1,000,700
ninety thousand seven hundred nine thousand nine hundred forty two dollars
and 66 cents.
The docks in item E that were presently on,
um, are different from the docks in item F.
They're the same. This is for a budget amendment.
This is an, uh, is not budget this fiscal year.
So this, uh, this is for the budget amendment.
The, uh, item F is for the purchase
of the program over five years.
I'm sorry, I, I'm not following you.
Sure. So the, what you have
before you is the budget amendment to request the funding.
Right. Item F is for the total cost
of the entire project over five years.
We'll budget successive years and the upcoming budgets
Over five years.
Okay. So, um, would this be for
16 docks?
Uh, six docks. Six docks, yes.
And how many total drones are, um, in this project?
Uh, this is for six drone docks.
And then we would also have our current fleet of five drones
that we would use on a field deployment basis for, uh,
instance that don't fall into, uh, a mission
that the dock could support.
Okay. 11 drones total, but there'd be six in the docks.
I thought you just said five.
We have five that are not, uh, dock drones.
So each dock, what we're doing is we're putting six docks
strategically placed around the city to, uh, lower, uh,
lower response time
and increase availability of that air asset.
So what we can do is we can remotely launch any one
of those drones from a central location at any time,
and they can fly closest one to whatever's going on,
they can fly to that incident.
We have a stock currently on hand of five drones
that we will retain under this agreement.
And we'll use those for things that say we have a,
a flight going way far away to Chesterfield, tacho, Macomb
way far away from the city
where they cannot be supported by a drone dock.
We will have those assets available as well.
So there are 11 total drones?
That's correct, yes. Okay.
And, um, it takes one person
to, to, uh, be like the pilot of each drone, right?
Yes, that's Correct. That, that's the change.
So currently it takes one person to charge and,
and launch the drone and another, uh, officer to pilot it.
The drone dock takes the place of launch
and recovery of the drone.
So we can automate that process so we can expand the use
of our drones by using the drone docks
to add additional hours with the same amount of personnel.
So a, a pilot can launch
and recover the drone remotely,
not have to do it themselves.
Okay. Um, it sounds like a really good program.
I, I remember, uh, months ago the council
approved having drones and it was, it would be great.
Uh, it just, it started off for the fire department.
I believe that the fire department could go ahead
and see what they were up against.
And, um, I could see how that could really, uh,
improve the safety and function of the fire department.
Um, if I guess with the leaven drones, the,
both the police department
and fire department will have plenty of drones at all times.
And that's a, a really
important takeaway that you brought up.
Thank you. Uh, these aren't gonna be
police specific drone drones.
These are public safety drones.
This is gonna be a joint venture between police and fire.
We're gonna be sharing these assets
and fire will be using just as much as police,
uh, for these purposes.
Oh, Okay.
Um, so if you had
all 11 flying, then you'd have 11,
at least 11 people tied down flying them.
Yes, that's correct. Uh, the FAA regulations require one,
uh, pilot to one drone under our current waiver with them.
And, uh, Mike, I had a concern over privacy before,
and I was assured that the drones would be focused on
whatever their target was, not what they were flying over.
Yes, that's correct. As the drones are flying out, first
of all, we, we will not be using these
for random routine surveillance.
Uh, these are not intended
to replace police officers on the street
or to make enforcement decisions.
It's important to call out that they're not gonna fly
without a documented public safety
purpose or call for service.
They do not use facial recognition.
They do not listen to conversations.
They do not capture audio.
They don't carry weapons
and, uh, they don't retain that video indefinitely.
The video that they do capture is, uh,
it's stored securely in our evidence fault.
It, uh, so I'm, I'm, my concern is I seems like a rather
large dollar amount, um,
combined about $2 million,
a little bit more than $2 million.
And, um, at least technology that's coming
to my house has usually gone obsolete in about three years.
So, uh, the higher the initial amount of the stuff
that we have, the higher we'll have going obsolete.
So I'd rather have it toned back to what we most
absolutely need, rather than what seems
to be a propagate excess.
So I I I, I, I hope I'm not hurting anybody's feelings,
and we always like to give the police
and the fire department everything that they asked for,
but, um, it just seems, uh, it's,
it, I I'm having sticker shock.
This is the first time these, these figures are coming
before me, uh, is tonight.
I remember we, we, we authorized drone some drones then.
Uh, so here comes 11.
And, um, you know, another thing is it seems like, what,
what's the, uh, the law?
All the, all the micro circuit stuff drops in price half
and improves, uh, you know,
a hundred percent every year or something.
Um, if we, if we don't put out all of our money now,
we'll be able to buy more later.
So anyways, that's, that's my concern.
I, I, I love the project.
I'm, I'm not sure about the scope of the project.
Thank you very much. Thank you. I yield
Any other discussion?
Madam President, Mr. Lafferty? Thank you.
Good evening, gentlemen.
The, what is the life expectancy of the, uh, the drones?
Uh, Better question for the skydio, if you don't. Yeah.
Hi, good evening, ladies and gentlemen.
Uh, I'm Dave DeRosa. I'm a solution engineer at skydio.
Um, I handle all
of the technical specifications and, and demos.
I think I met some of you at some of our demos.
Um, so the life expectancy
of a drone is roughly three years,
but part of the program is that as, uh,
the wearable components of these machines,
including the docks, uh, as they wear down,
and we come out on a quarterly ish basis
to actually check on the docks on the rooftops
and make sure the drones are in working condition.
Um, we automatically replace all of those wearable parts
to ensure that, uh, that the police
and fire departments will always have the equipment,
uh, up to the highest standard.
Now, what that also means is that
as these drones are being used, uh, we're collecting, well,
the drone is collecting diagnostic data, which is to say,
for example, the batteries are good
to about 500 charge cycles.
Once we see the drones start
to hit roughly 300 charge cycles,
they automatically signal our team to start sending
new hardware back out to the team.
So between batteries, propellers, wearable components
of the docks, we're always ensuring that, uh,
that our customers have the, the highest quality equipment.
So for at a, at a, and this is a five year program
That's correct. That
We're putting in, so at about a 342,000 a year,
this is including all service parts, labor, uh,
warranty service, and,
and software updates monitoring.
Yes, sir. Yeah. And,
and the big one that you just hit on is software updates.
Mm-hmm. And, and I think it's really important to discuss
that because, uh, part
of the way our company really works is pushing what's called
firmware updates into these drones.
And these firmware updates ultimately make the drone better.
So, um, to, I'm gonna overly simplify it,
but, uh, we're using currently about 10%
of the drone's brain power today,
which means we have about 90% more of that glass
to fill with software.
So part of the next five years, uh, is going
to be improving these machines via software updates.
A really good example of that is, for example, uh,
our customers that are already using our drones
and docks, uh, are receiving the ability
to charge their drones 30% faster just via a software
and minor hardware update
that our technicians automatically put in.
And they got that for free.
It's not a gotcha, it's not a nickel
and dime that's just included as part of the program.
Alright. And these are being,
and perhaps, uh, not for you,
but these drones are being strategically
placed around the city? That's
Correct. We actually used
a data model that, uh,
that dug into the call for service, used the math of
how fast the drones can go, how long it takes 'em
to recharge, uh, and,
and ultimately strategically place them in, in the places
that are gonna be the most impactful to the city.
I attended the demo. I was thoroughly impressed
with the capabilities
and the, uh, the, the assistance
that you can get mainly in, in the safety of an officer
and the safety of assessing the safety of a situation
before the officers even arrive.
Sincerely appreciate that. Thank you.
And so that's, that's one of the, the main benefits
that I'm focused on here.
Uh, I think this is an excellent opportunity to improve, uh,
and expand our capabilities, uh,
reduces the opportunity for Chases.
I would imagine, you know, you're, you're going to,
you know, be able to put one of these up.
You don't necessarily have to be speeding through to watch
and this, uh, maybe the speeder's not even, you know, uh,
aware that he's being tailed because of the,
because of the distance.
So I think this is an excellent opportunity
and very much in favor of it.
Thank you. Thank you
Madam President.
Mr. Dwyer. Yeah. Question for you.
What is the, uh, range of these drones
and how long are they able to stay up in the air?
What's the timeframe on that?
Uh, what we're seeing in, uh,
the real world today is they're staying up
for about 40 minutes at a time.
Did you say 40 minutes? Yeah,
About 40 minutes at a time.
And as far as we can fly in, in half of that time, um, is,
is how long we can fly.
We're seeing real world about four to five miles.
We can go away from launch point.
Okay. Thank you. And they do,
they do have thermal imaging and everything like that?
Uh, they do. We've had, uh, enormous success
with the thermal imaging capabilities of the drone,
especially in the wintertime.
Um, we actually had a case just this weekend, uh, where a,
uh, juvenile was, uh, the victim of an unarmed robbery, uh,
where they stole his shoveling money, uh,
and his cell phone, the drum was able
to follow the footprints in the snow from the heat signature
and recover all of his property
and apprehend the perpetrators. Awesome.
Good. Yeah, it's a very valuable tool, not only for trying
to track down suspects,
but also when you run into, uh, situations
with missing persons, you know, older folks
that walk away group homes, whatever the case may be.
I think they're definitely a very valuable tool for that.
Those items as well. Those situations,
They fly routinely for that as well.
Okay. That's all I have. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah.
Mad chair. Mm-hmm. When I was at the demonstration, they
launched from, um, the PD
and went actually over to Carter Middle School,
and you could see the exhaust from the car
that they're just amazing what they can see.
I was just shocked when I saw that.
And one of the other things that really like
to amplify safety with the drones that, um, you know,
an instance was said that, okay, we've got a report of a gun
man with a gun where you send a drone in
and they say, no, that's not a gun.
It's his phone. Right.
So you're not sending in four cars with everybody
amped up going in to get somebody with a gun.
And when the drone saw that it was a a, a phone,
while you may still go and respond,
but you know what you're, um, walking into.
And I think that that is one
of the most dangerous things is not knowing
what you're gonna walk into.
And I think the drone,
some sometimes can at least give you a heads up on
what you're going and to see.
I also saw, um, a, um, um,
pre raid surveillance, and it was just awesome
because they were able to watch a property
before people on the ground went in.
And I mean, I just, I see it so much as, of course,
it's gonna help us solve crimes and catch bad guys.
I get that. But it's also, I, I mean, I certainly envision
and I hope it's gonna keep you all safer.
And I, I think that that's always what I,
I think about, um, the most.
So, um, it is, it is very, you have to see how it launches
because it's like you're watching Star Wars, it opens up
and I was waiting for the music, you know, you know,
We'd be happy to overlay music. Could
You do that? We can
do that. I heard you're pretty good.
Mean, you're pretty good. Anyway, thank you so much for,
and thank you for being here again,
Madam Chair.
Mr. Bokey, just a quick question.
You talked about the 40 minutes up in the air.
Uh, if the operator's busy, for instance,
and he doesn't, um, pay attention to the time,
is the drone software directed to come back no matter
what he's doing and report back to the dock
so it doesn't fall on someone's swimming pool on the way
back or something like that?
Yes, it absolutely does. There are
Good safety feature Layers upon layers of redundancies
and safety features built into the drones.
They will return to home automatically once they reach, um,
what we've been referring to as bingo battery.
They need to come back. Um, they, uh,
if they lose connection, they turn around, they either
however, turn around, come back to docks.
So they have, uh, a lot of safety measures built in. Okay.
Thank you. Thank You. Yield.
I have a question that I will call the question.
Um, given that this is a pretty significant investment,
and I've participated in some of the
initial meetings when we were bringing them in,
I don't remember if I saw a demonstration,
but nevertheless, um,
has the department set any like five year goals of
what we hope to achieve as a result of this investment?
Like, are we gonna have fewer patrol cars
because we're gonna have 11 drones?
Are we gonna have better, you know,
immediate like response times to observe?
I don't know. I'm just gonna, you know Sure. Less chases.
What are, what are the measurables?
Yeah. That, that is the goal.
Uh, the goal is for lessen response times
and to put eyes over, uh, over chaotic scenes, uh,
much faster, which is why we're
strategically placing the drones.
What I can tell you is the metrics that we've already seen,
uh, the drones even now with, uh, with just two locations
with hand thrown drones
that take a little bit longer to deploy.
We are beating the ground units two scenes about 50%
of the time, and about 30% of that time,
we're clearing the call from the air without
the need for a ground response.
And about 90% of the time,
the drone is providing actionable real-time intelligence
to the ground, is what we're seeing.
Excellent. Is any of this in like a plan,
like in five years, these are the things
that we're gonna measure against?
Uh, we have not created a specific five year plan.
Um, we have seen overwhelming success with
what we're doing now, but we'd be
happy to put that together.
Yeah. I'm not directing you to do that.
I'm just, I, it would just be super fascinating to see
and show residents in five years what we've been able
to accomplish with a $2 million additional
investment to the program.
Every time the drone leaves the dock
and comes back, we have a drone outcome, uh, report
that the operator has to fill out.
And they are, they're keeping track of these metrics.
So we'll be able to, to give you the,
the real time statistics of the impact
that we're having with this equipment.
Excellent. Thank you. You're welcome. Okay.
I will, um, call the question, uh, let's see. Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Newnan? No. Uh, no. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 F.
Request of the police
and fire departments to award the purchase of drone docks
and software along with the electrical
and network services
for a five year grand total in the amount
of $1,709,942 66 cents.
Consideration and adoption of a resolution.
So moved with discussion support Dwyer.
Discussion Ms. Moore.
Um, so, you know, spending this money
that there won't be any Christmas gifts, right?
Don't ask for anything else in budget. This is it.
So what you say, it's gonna have to have some lean times.
Look at Brent looking at me.
He knows I'm gonna convince her otherwise. Right.
Anyway, thank you.
This is a, this is a good purchase for us. Okay.
Any other discussion? I'll call the question. Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? No. No. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Uh, Rogan C. Motion carries. Next item. Next item is 13 G.
Notice of appointment of Douglas K to the position
of DPW Associate Manager. So moved.
Support Lafferty. Any discussion,
hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is a yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13 H.
Request to approve a request for proposed, uh, for proposal
for security camera, key card reader, uh,
access upgrades citywide.
And to appoint a member of counsel to serve on the RFP.
I would make a motion to nominate Mr.
Lafferty for this item.
That's fine. Support anyone?
Support Doer support. Mr. Newan.
Uh, so a motion to approve the item and nominate Mr.
Lafferty. Any other who's Mr. Beke was?
He's the security guy. Discussion doesn't sound
Like it. I I will defer
to Mr. Bokey if, if he would like that one.
I could take the next one for the digital signup upgrade.
Um, Madam President. Okay. Mr.
I think that, um, ox, uh, Oxana should be taken off
of the RFP committee list.
Is, is that, um, the issue that we're on
or is on a, are we in a subpoint?
Which item are you looking at?
They'll just replace her
with the other, the other price. They
Don't have to, oh, wait a minute. We
don't have to vote on those ones.
We just have to vote on us.
They can appoint whoever they want.
Okay. Uh, Mr. Bokey. I'll accept. You'll accept. Okay.
So the motion is, uh, to approve the item and to appoint Mr.
Bokey to the RFP committee. I'll support that as well.
Thank you. I will call the question. Um, Ms. Moore? Yes.
Mr. Newan? Yes. Um, Mr. Dwyer?
Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes.
Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is 13.
I request to approve a request for proposal for City
of Warren digital sign upgrades
and to appoint a member of counsel
to serve on the RFP motion to appoint, uh, Mr.
Lafferty with discussion support. D our I got support.
I'll accept discussion Ms. Moore and then Ms. McGee. Yeah.
My question is, what are these digital signs?
There's no back up.
Good evening, Steve Campbell Public Service.
Uh, these signs are the, uh, the kiosk signs, uh, such
as the one in front of city hall.
Uh, the digital signs that display different, um,
advertisements from city hall.
Uh, the both of the libraries,
the fire department is looking to add one
to fire station five.
There was not one included when the station was built.
Um, so because we're trying to upgrade some
of these other signs that are not functioning properly,
we're gonna include the fire department to add one there
as being an advertisement to be used.
It'd be a cloud-based system.
Uh, that could be, it could be used
by all the different entities within the city.
Whether it's community center that wants
to put out some sort of events or a city hall.
There's events going on there.
The, um, digital sign in front
of City Hall is always looked awful.
Correct. It's terrible.
The, the, you know, that big old box that's with it
and it's out there and there's no landscaping.
And I think it was just put up there sort of temporarily
until the town center's done.
Um, and it's probably good enough for now
until we get the town center.
'cause look, we're gonna have to replace it all.
So if we get started in a year with town center, you know,
we're gonna have to replace it.
So I'm not sure how much sense it makes
to do anything with that one. At this point,
Most of that stuff can be replaced.
The box itself, the, the structure can stay.
It's gonna be the internal software
and some of the hardware.
As far as the digital sign itself,
we're not replacing all of the sign.
Um, as far as the structure,
it's just gonna be the software and it'll be a Okay.
Again, a cloud-based type system.
Okay. 'cause it's just, just not very attractive.
And hopefully when the town center comes,
we get like a real sign of something, a nice monument
that doesn't show that box out there.
So doesn't look very good. Alright. Do we have one?
I didn't notice. Is there one at station? One?
Uh, station one doesn't have it.
It's actually at the library.
Um, the library has a newer, one
of the newer digital signs in the city.
So that one is a cloud base that they can,
they can utilize as well.
If the fire station has an event
or an open house, they can, they would be able to utilize
that, put it in their cloud,
and it would rotate through those events
so the residents would see it as they're driving by.
Okay. Um, and that's what we want to do with the rest
of the digital science throughout the city, is
to get those all in one system that is a cloud-based system,
so that way they could be accessed
and used throughout the city for those events.
Um, there won't be one here. I'm
Sorry. There won't be one here
at this building.
No, there's one, I believe there's one here at the
community center that would also be upgrade for the
Library. For the library.
Near the library.
I think it is the, I know for the
Library is, is it just for the library
or it's for the community center?
It'd be for the whole community center. Okay.
It's not just gonna be for the library.
That's why we're creating the RFP to upgrade all these.
Okay. Because I think, but the library does.
I think we're gonna look at the feasibility
of carrying on with the library. Okay.
I understand. But the, the,
it does add some of that. I got it.
Yeah. Thank you. You're welcome.
Any other, uh, Ms. Vinke? You, you had discussion?
You answered my question. Thank you. Okay.
Any other discussion? Okay.
Hearing and seeing Nana will call the question. Ms. Moore?
Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Motion carries. Next item.
Next item is what was four D.
D is now 13 j.
Review and consideration of the Americans
with Disabilities Act.
Transition plan.
Um, motion to, um, for discussion.
Approve. But I don't think we're prepared to discuss this.
I don't know if people got advanced notice of it, if we need
to have discussion or not.
Is there, can I get a support?
I'll, I'll support for the purposes of discussion.
Just discussion. Okay. Go ahead, Ms.
So I don't know if we, if people have to be here ahead
of time for us to, um, deal with this
and have a little advance notice.
I think there are some, um, people in the public
that probably wanted to weigh in on this that, um,
they weren't, you know, I don't think anybody knew
what we were gonna do tonight with the agenda.
So my, um, my preference would be to table it
to next meeting, to next meeting
to give everybody a chance to weigh in.
I think. Um, I'm not sure if Mr. Who deals with this. Mr.
Wir. Is it you, Mr. Elli? Uh, and you guys? Everyone. Okay.
Would it be better? Next meeting. Okay.
Alright, that'll work. Motion to table. Support to table.
Okay. I'll call the question to table. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr.
Lafferty? Yes. Mr. Dwyer? Yes. To table. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr.
Nunan? Yes. Ms. McGee? Yes. Rogan C is a yes.
Item is tabled to the next meeting.
Um, next item is 13 K, which was four aa,
which is tabled 1 13, 20 26.
I believe we untd that MS.
Camp, or do we need, okay, this is, um,
subdivision lot split request locate on the east side
of Panama Avenue, approximately 400 feet
north of Topher Road.
One parcel lot 31 to be split into two parcels.
Sub supervisors.
Plat number five, section 32 21 9 16 Panama Avenue.
Tom Rito, city of Warren,
petitioner PSLS 2 5 0 0 0 4.
Um, it was originally to set a, a hearing date
for February 10th.
That needs to be put off to February 24th to meet our, our,
uh, notice requirements.
So motion to approve
Support, Lafferty Support.
Any discussion, hearing and seeing none?
I'll call the question. Ms. Moore? Yes. Mr. Lafferty? Yes.
Mr. Dwyer? Yes. Mr. Bokey? Yes. Mr. Newan? Yes. Ms. McGee?
Yes. Rogan C is? Yes. Motion carries. Next item.
Uh, point of order. Yep. I'm, I'm sorry.
I should have, I should have brought this up,
but I wanted to make note that in the resolution that was
provided to council, the resolution states,
whereas Tom Bato, economic development coordinator
for the city of Warren, he is not in that position.
Is this for item 13? K?
Uh, it's, it is.
So I'd like that, uh, like that to be corrected, uh,
as, as part of our, our previous motion.
Um, okay. So I will probably have to go back
and recall the question if you want to add that.
'cause that wasn't a part. You were only
Setting the public hearing and then the,
uh, resolution before
State. Okay.
So we're all set. Mary? Yes. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you. Okay.
Next item is audience participation regarding, um,
general, general topics.
Uh, members of the audience who want to address city council
may do so by filling out an audience form.
Um, you have three minutes. There is a monitor up front.
Um, first up is Gerald has Batcher,
and then next is Gina.
Gina, how do you spell your last name?
K-I-K-A-L-L-I. Gtr. Oi, thank you.
I, uh, my objective today is to speak to the threats
of climate change in an effort to get counsel
to approve the RFP, that blue Strike
provided on a climate action plan.
And, uh, what I'd like
to talk about today is extreme weather.
Uh, we have a lot of ex an international examples
of stream extreme weather.
So like, uh, one third of Pakistan underwater about India,
two months of temperatures over 120.
Uh, in the United States, we have the flood last year
where 27 girls and counselors lost their lives in Texas.
And we have all the states around the Colorado River basin
trying to negotiate with the dwindling water.
But in fact, we have a chance right now
to see extreme weather right here in Warren,
because we're calling, it's calling for temperatures
of minus nine on Thursday,
which is actually two degrees less than when we had the
polar work text in, uh, 2017.
So what's really going on there in this particular InSpec,
uh, aspect of, uh, extreme weather is
that the polar jet stream that's, uh, around
latitudes 50 to 60 is slowing down
and it's getting more wavy.
So as it gets more wavy, that means
it brings the cold air down further,
and when the wave goes up, it brings the hot air up.
And because it slows down, we have longer weeks
of extreme heat
and longer periods of extreme cold,
which we're experiencing right now.
So, um, I could go into the effects of this
and it would be, um, say under the categories of health
and personal safety risk, like frostbite, hypothermia
or hypothermia, increased heart attacks, uh,
infrastructure such as power grid disruptions,
which we've had frozen.
A broken water system infrastructure,
which I heard of today.
Um, a big main that went.
Transportation, of course, accidents, traffic jams, uh,
effects on low income populations such
as frozen pipes at their home.
Uh, also steep energy bills that they're gonna have to pay
effects on homeless population
and also isolation for seniors
and canceled, like, canceled doctors visits.
So we really need to address climate change.
And if we don't vote yes on this RFP,
we are gonna be on the wrong side of history
because you will be right back here
doing the same thing over and over until it passes.
You're at time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
And as a comparison, have a good sterling.
Have good, have good night. Thank you,
Ms. Um,
Gina, after Gina
is Gary Watts.
Good evening counsel. Um, I'm here, uh, regarding, uh,
the last city council meeting regarding
employees having two full-time jobs.
Um, the gentleman I'm referring to is Mr. Clark,
who is the director of operations, I mean,
administration over at Warren Senior Housing.
Mr. Clark has worked two full-time jobs
for the five years that he has been there.
Mr. Clark has misused comp time proof.
We have proof that he is misusing comp time.
I have proof in my phone of him
the way he fired me, the way he fired me.
I have proof, I have proof that Mr.
And I know I'm gonna just kill his last name.
Gxo, the HR director covering for him.
Do you know that the day that I was fired,
which was on October 10th, I had spoke to
a city council member, which will remain nameless
at 9 44.
Our conversation ended at 9 44.
At 1107, I received a text message
from the main office at Warren Senior Housing
that Mr. Clark wanted to see me at three 30.
The discussion I was having
with the city council member was due to his misuse
in stealing of comp time,
he did not receive 150 hours of comp time,
150 hours he gave himself.
I have proof of Sean's comings
and goings when the director
of administration leaves at 10 30 in the morning
and does not show back up
to 3, 3 30 at Warren Senior Housing.
And everybody in the front office says he is at City Hall.
No, he's working his full-time job,
which is an out of state.
He's the general manager of an Audi out
of State Hockey League.
He is making a hundred thousand dollars there a year.
He is making 109 at Warren Senior Housing.
Okay. On October 17th at a eight MI had
emailed Jared to find out why City Hall
had not received my termination letter yet,
and why payroll wasn't able to give me my last check
and why 401k controller Rosalyn wasn't able
to inactivate my account.
At 8 44. Jared messaged me back stating that he
responded by forwarding this email to Sean
and Laura Sullivan, Sean at 8 59,
I received a text message from the front office
that Sean was losing his mind.
Where was my termination letter?
Where was my file that he took out at Friday at three 30?
You're at time. Thank you.
The only thing I have to say
you're, is that you're at time. I know I'm out of time.
I would like you're out of, you're out
of time Ms.
Mr. Watts, you're next.
After Mr. Watts is Joel Vander Lennon.
Oh, sorry. Hold on. Mr. Watts. Go ahead.
Okay, so first of all, I want to throw out a kudos to, um,
DPW and their crews.
They did a heck of a job getting these side streets plowed.
There was a little hiccup last week.
I contacted 'em and bought my area
and then they were fast
to correct it said it wouldn't happen again.
And this time, wow, what a great job on the streets.
They, they, they deserve some good pats on the back.
Um, secondly, listening to the issue earlier about software,
I'm wondering where is our IT department?
Why are they not staying on top of this stuff?
So, um, that's kind of, kind of different
on your open government you talked about
tonight kind of wound me up.
I'm still waiting for a FOIA for like 18 months ago
for an appeal, and now I just got another one.
I applied for that. They didn't give me half the information
I requested, and I'm gonna have to appeal that one.
And that's out of the mayor's office.
So again, mayor Stone is stonewalling the citizens on stuff
that's available to 'em,
which is really getting very irritating.
And lastly, I want to say, um,
man, this drone program, it's something I'm really into.
And I gotta tell you, I'm watching
how many police departments are using this stuff
and you're watching stuff on tv.
This is absolutely amazing.
And as much as I'd like to see a helicopter back, Ms. Moore,
uh, this saves us a lot of money.
This stops us, this saves us a lot of money.
And the, the, the ability
and things we can use this for is just incredible.
So, um, I'm glad that that got approved tonight
and, um, you know, I can't wait to see it up and running.
It's gonna, it's gonna help our officers out a lot.
So everybody have a good night.
Thank you. Mr. Vander Lenin, you're next.
And then Ray Deloche.
I never say it correctly. Is that right? That is right.
Okay. Look at that
First.
Is it finally on?
Joel Vander Linden. Long time wor resident.
God, I've been saying this since the seventies.
I wanna bring up three points.
First one about the, uh, the drones in the air.
Uh, my neighbor next door
got a package delivered by a helicopter.
Uh, before Christmas, uh,
we were pulling into the driveway.
We washed this thing come down, uh,
laying in the middle of her front lawn
and dropped off the package.
They're already flying in Warren and making deliveries.
Uh, there was an inspector that I was with named, uh,
Craig Grabowski.
His daughter used to work with the Warren Police Department
and she worked under, uh, Jerry Green.
Uh, as time went on
and her education, uh, went up, she's now in try in charge
of the droids over in Troy.
If you haven't seen, uh, the droids in action
and would like to see, uh, how they work
and stuff like that, I'm sure a simple phone call
to her over in Detroit Police Department
would shock you with the things that these droids can do.
And the one thing no one talked about is the safety.
You're taking away the needs for high speed chases.
As she's following the car,
she's telling you the way it's going.
She can give you alternate routes to
that vehicle without them being aware of it.
And you can catch 'em safer
without crashes and everything else.
I applaud you today
for voting in the Drs.
Now there was a comment made about, uh, the mayor using
software unapproved by the council.
Now, I'm not sure now, I hope someone's looking into it,
but I think that's illegal.
I mean, she took an oath To, uh,
safeguard and protect us foreign and domestic.
And yet she's doing it for us.
We don't know what safeguards there are. We don't know. Uh,
20 seconds. Mr. Vander Lin.
We don't know what she's doing.
She cut down the police
and now she's making our information free to, uh,
all these other people and companies.
But she won't give us our damn FOIAs.
That should tell you something.
That should tell you a lot. You're
At time. Thank you. Thank
You.
Where did Ray go? Left. Oh, he ran out. He left. He's here.
Well, no, he's here to work right here.
Here. Give him 10 seconds. Ray,
I'm sorry. It was
Warren pd. Three,
three minutes. Yes.
This From
January 15th to December the 31st.
This is an intake three pages.
These are all the homeless population
that I've taken off the street without any help,
without any funding.
I never really want to ask the city for money.
When I asked for it last year,
it was mistakenly given to the wrong person.
I funded that building myself the entire year.
I am one month and a half behind.
The owner is willing to work with me. I have no resources.
I asked for two fundraisers,
which I put together and no one showed up.
So I left it alone.
City needs my help and I need their help.
People was turned away last night
and I took them in when I really didn't have the space.
I want to thank Warren pd.
I felt like I was back at the court system working.
They were in and outta my building so many times.
Last night I felt like I was still in uniform.
All I'm asking, I serve this country actively.
Currently I serve Fitzgerald School, school district board,
and I serve our community.
I'm not asking for handouts, I'm just asking for help
because come March 21st, if I'm closed,
before March 21st, everybody that had come into our city
to open up a warming center for the season,
they're gonna do the same thing they did last year.
When they go back to their cities, they're gonna let
that population flow over into our community
and it's going to end up over at our building,
which you guys let me use in order
to take care of the homeless.
I have no more money and I didn't even ask for a lot.
I'm the cheapest budget in the district.
Far as running a shelter, people are asking
for 180,000, 150,000 for six months.
All I asked was 11,000 if that for a month to stay open.
I don't even wanna see the money.
Long as the money is going to the stuff
to keep the building open and I can service the community.
That's all I'm asking for. I'm not asking for anything else.
You guys, I already know I have an open door policy,
but this is all the people
that I took off the street in 12 months. Thank you.
Thank you. That is the end of audience.
Next item is response to audience. Madam Chair, Ms. Moore.
Um, Ray, we appreciate the work you do. We really do.
And I think that you were at the meetings last year, um,
or at one meeting where we discussed, you know,
the city can't give you money directly,
but, um, I see that the, um,
outreach people in the mayor's office can plan all kinds
of parties and events, and I don't know if it's legal
or not, but maybe they could plan a fundraiser
and do something that'll really help people
rather than just parties.
Um, so maybe that's, uh, something that I don't know,
Mr. Schroeder, somebody have to look into it, whether they,
you can use, uh, city resources
to set up a fundraiser or not.
I don't know. Um, I didn't know anything about a fundraiser.
I didn't, I didn't either. I didn't know anything.
You know, I don't know if, if we knew you were having
something, we could certainly do what we could
to help encourage people market, um, and get the word out.
We do have those resources.
All of us have social media and we have pretty Right.
Widespread. So if, you know,
if you're doing another fundraiser, please contact one of us
and we'll get the information to everybody.
But I don't know if you talked to the mayor's office,
several Mayor I've
Out, um, it's been a struggle.
It's literally been a struggle. They been busy, been busy.
It's been a struggle. And like right,
everybody, we don't supposed to turn door away
during the cold night.
If they come to your door, they let, right.
I've been taking people in for the last seven, two hours.
They've been in my building every night, all night.
Right, right. I, and I, I get that,
but this is a countywide problem.
But people all over the county are bringing
their folks to Warren.
Some people are driving themselves there.
That was just kind of surprised
how many people drive themselves to the shelter.
But this is a county problem,
and we need to work with the whole
county to figure this out.
And we're not doing that. We can't operate in a silo
by ourselves because we can only do so much.
You know, we can have a facility we can probably open up,
but, you know, beyond that,
we can't really spend city funds on, on to help in this way,
that we do have to have a better way.
So, you know, I, I don't know what the answer is.
And if anybody, we we're doing a horrible job in this
country of, on a lot of things,
but we should, there's smart enough people in this world
that should be able to figure it out.
I don't have the answer for you.
Um, but if you're gonna try to fund raise,
I think everybody up here would help
and reach out to the people.
We can't, there's a lot of businesses in Morin
and there are many that have a mandate that they're supposed
to help the community, and I think this would certainly be a
worthwhile cause that they may be, um,
interested in supporting.
So, you know, going forward, I know we're getting kind
of too far into the season now,
but you're gonna be running on money.
If you're doing something, let us know. Yep.
Madam President. And one more thing.
Um, Mr. Watts, trooper two is just fine.
It's good enough. Mr. Dwyer. And then Ms. McGee.
Sorry. Um, just over to Ray.
Have you looked to the county, uh, health
for an emergency appropriation for
what you have going on, or no?
Yes, but I,
that have shelters.
It's like they're big guys.
The little guy, they, I don't have an answer
because I been
to every resource I possibly can all the way up
to my p's
Frustrating to say the least.
Any, No,
That's, I can got my word on that.
Okay. Thanks Ms.
And then real quick, in response to Mr. Watts
and the, uh, drone program here in Warren, um,
yeah, what a great idea.
I mean, strategically placing locations
for these drones throughout the city is invaluable.
Again, going back to Walkaways
and us having these drones with infrared
and thermal imaging when we got weather like this
and we've got walkaways, whether they're kids or elderly
or whatever, in the middle of the night time is
of the essence because it's cold weather.
When you're out there in these fridge temperatures,
you're probably not gonna last long.
So to get those things up and launched
and trying to locate people, they're gonna save lives
as well as assisting the police
and fire with everything else that they do.
So that's pretty much all I have. Thank you.
Thank you. Ms. McGee.
Uh, just wanna let you know, I've spoke
to Ray several times about his situation.
Um, he did inform me that he applied for some grant,
grant funding as well as taking in, um, several people.
And majority of these people are from the city of Warren.
Um, I've looked at his paperwork, his intern sheets, um,
and I, and I reviewed them.
Um, I did speak to the crime commission,
and they had informed me that they're planning on, um,
they would like to assist and,
and maybe they can do a fundraiser for him as well
as the City of Warren Police Department.
So, um, we're gonna definitely
continue to try to work with him.
He's in our area, me and Mr.
Lafferty area, as well as, um, Mr.
Um, I forgot your last name already.
And Newnan and, and,
and definitely, um, Councilman Bokey has, um,
assistant in every way possible.
So we definitely tried our best to try
to assist him in any way,
and I am trying to tell him as much
as possible about grant funding coming up.
Thank you. That's all I have.
Madam Chair, Mr. Lafferty.
And, and perhaps this is in response
to the more immediate need.
And, you know, we talked about this last year
and we, we came up with an action plan
for running a warming center at Owen Jacks.
And at the same time, we talked about, while we cannot,
the city cannot just give a check to a nonprofit
or to any other organization,
but we can establish a contract
for services mm-hmm.
Outlining the services that are being provided
and paying for those services.
There. Perhaps there may be an opportunity where, you know,
he is providing a service.
The the center is in Warren, the services are being
provided to Warren Residence,
and perhaps legally, uh,
the city attorney's office could come up with
a small contract and we're talking $11,000.
Maybe it's a, a $5,000 contract.
Something that, you know, the city is, uh, contracting
with him for certain things
that are legally That's a good idea.
Uh, allowed for, for us to, uh, to purchase from Mr.
Deloche. Mm-hmm. And his organization. That's a
Great idea. Fist bump
from over here. I like that. That's a good idea.
So I'd, I'd like to ask that, uh, uh, Mary Michael's work,
uh, work with, uh, Mr.
Mazare and, and puts, uh, put a response together
and email that to us, uh, within the next, uh,
48 hours. Yes.
She's not Here. Yeah.
We might, we might have to send an email
Yes. To them, but I think that
I'm sure he's either listening or he's, uh,
The, it's f fantastic idea.
Thank you, Mr. Lafferty.
Thank you, Madam President. Through
The chair. Uh, Mr. Nunan
and then Mr. Dwyer. Yeah,
I've, I've heard Ray, um, I've heard Ray say
that his rent was about $5,000 a month, so
that would be a very substantial help.
If there was a place that he could operate out of,
that'd be a huge help.
So I really, I second that idea very much. Thank you,
Mr. Dwyer.
The other thing is that I was thinking through, um, to Mr.
Schuler is couldn't we approach as counsel the county
and try to get immediate relief
through them? Is that an option?
Yes, you can, we can communicate with the county.
Um, certainly if, uh, you want,
I could maybe reach out tomorrow, I have some context there
and ask what we can do to cooperate. That's not a problem.
That would be great. Thank you. That's all I have.
Awesome. Anything further?
Madam Chair? Mm-hmm. Mr.
Laffer, one thing I had, uh, failed to mention
during announcements, I wanted to give a shout out
to the DPW Department of Public Works.
Mr. Ellis team, when working 24 hours a day, salting,
plowing, and, uh, sanitation, you know, doing their best.
Everyone I know, they're, they're all helping each other out
and like to thank them
for the outstanding job they're doing.
I second that and the water department,
because there's been water mains, water main
Breaks, I'd like to add to that, to my area
of garbage pickup was also done on the same day. Mm-hmm.
Yeah. It's really quite remarkable, to be honest, uh,
how they're able to coordinate all of those services.
Anything further that heat next time? Yeah.
Heat in the building next time. Uh, next item.
Madam Secretary, adjourn
Support toy.
All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? We are adjourned.
Good night.