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Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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Welcome to the City of Warren Planning Commission meeting,

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May 11th. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it stands, one

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nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Roll call.

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Commissioner Ansari?

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Present.

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Commissioner Heide?

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Heide.

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Heide.

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Yes.

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Commissioner Heide?

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Present.

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Commissioner Holowaty?

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Present.

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Commissioner Hawk?

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Present.

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Commissioner Duza?

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Present.

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Commissioner Moriarty is present. Commissioner Boniecki?

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Present.

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Commissioner Smith?

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Present.

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I'll move my mic closer. I'd like to welcome our new commissioner, Commissioner

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Herbert Heide, to the commission.

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Good evening, sir.

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Good evening.

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Maybe.

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Trial by fire.

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Welcome.

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Welcome.

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Item number four, approval of the agenda.

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So moved, Mr. Chairman.

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Support, Mori.

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There's a motion by Commissioner Duza, support from Commissioner Mori.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed? Approval of the minutes of April 13th, 2026.

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Chair, I make a motion to approve the minutes from April

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13th.

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And April 20th.

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Oh, we can do them-

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I'm going to do them separate.

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That's where I thought.

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So I need the support for that one.

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Support. Mr. Chair, I support it.

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That was a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, support by Commissioner Duza.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed? Now I need approval of the minutes for April 20th,

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2026.

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Make a motion that we approve the minutes from April 20th.

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There's a motion by Commissioner Duza, supported by...

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Mr. Chair, I support it.

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Mr. Hawk. There's a motion by Commissioner Duza, supported by Commissioner Hawk.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Item number 6A.

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Item number 6A. An ordinance to amend the code of

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zoning ordinance, Appendix A, to add Article

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4H pertaining to overlay districts.

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The proposed amendment to Article 4 of Appendix

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A of the City of Warren Code of Ordinance to add Article

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4H will create special public purpose overlay districts on

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certain special areas of land and to adapt the

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development and use standards to shifting housing,

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economic, and demographic trends.

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PANAP-260001. Thank you.

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Thank you. Is the representative here for this?

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Good evening, sir.

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Good evening, commissioners.

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And tell us a little bit about the project.

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Yes, absolutely. I prepared a statement.

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I didn't have time to commit it to memory, so you'll have to forgive me if the

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delivery is not quite what it should be.

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But

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I'm ready if all of you are as well.

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I'm ready.

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So good evening, Chairman, Commissioners, planning staff,

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and to the members of the public.

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Tonight before you is a coordinated set of overlay districts intended to address a

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series of longstanding development barriers that have impacted the southern

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portion of the city for decades. While these overlays are distinct in

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purpose and application, they are deeply connected in

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intent. Together, they represent a targeted effort to modernize

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portions of our zoning ordinance in a way that reflects the realities of today's

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housing market, development environment, and economic conditions

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while remaining consistent with the goals established in the city's adopted master

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plan and corridor planning efforts.

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The first overlay before you, the Missing Middle Overlay District, focuses

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primarily on residential development.

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It seeks to allow housing types that historically existed in many American

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communities, but which over time became increasingly difficult or

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impossible to build under current zoning standards.

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Duplexes, triplexes, quadplexes, and smaller scale multi-unit

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developments provide an opportunity for attainable housing, workforce housing,

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senior housing, and incremental reinvestment into aging residential

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areas. The overlay does not eliminate standards or

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oversight. Rather, it recalibrates standards such as setbacks, parking

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requirements, lot coverage, and dimensional regulations that have

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unintentionally prohibited reinvestment and infill construction within these

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neighborhoods.

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The second overlay, the Van D**e Mixed-Use District Overlay,

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addresses the commercial corridor itself.

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Van D**e Avenue remains one of the most historically significant commercial

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corridors in the region.

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Many of its buildings still reflect the traditional urban development pattern that

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once defined the corridor. Brick storefronts built to the sidewalk,

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active commercial frontages, and a strong relationship between businesses,

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neighborhoods, and pedestrian activity.

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Over time, however, development patterns shifted towards increasingly

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auto-oriented site layouts, driven in large part by zoning requirements that

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prioritized excessive setbacks and oversized parking fields over

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walkability, mixed-use activity, and cohesive urban form.

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The result is a corridor with tremendous potential, but one that has struggled to

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attract the type of reinvestment envisioned by the city's master plan.

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The overlay district seeks to correct this imbalance by allowing greater

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flexibility for mixed-use buildings, adaptive reuse, residential

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integration, reduction of parking burdens where appropriate,

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and

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site designs that better support pedestrian activity,

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small businesses, housing diversity, and long-term economic

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sustainability.

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Importantly, these overlays were not developed in isolation.

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They're the product of months of discussion between multiple city departments,

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planning and zoning officials, legal review, developers, community

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development, and economic development departmentsThe concepts reflected

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within these ordinance are consistent with modern best practices being utilized

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across Michigan and throughout the country in communities seeking to revitalize

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aging commercial corridors and expand housing opportunities while

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maintaining local character.

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These overlays also directly support broader investments and initiatives that are

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already underway within the city.

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Planned streetscape improvements, infrastructure investments, redevelopment

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efforts, and corridor revitalization initiatives all rely upon a

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zoning framework capable of supporting the type of development the city has stated

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it wishes to encourage.

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Without the corresponding zoning reform, many of these goals remain difficult

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or impossible to implement in practice.

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At its core, this effort is about creating the conditions necessary for

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reinvestment. It is about allowing development that fits the historic

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form and fabric of the corridor, while positioning Warren to compete for new

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residents, new businesses, and private investment.

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Often when changes such as these are introduced, people will follow it with, "This

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can be the next Ferndale, Royal Oak," or any other city that comes to mind with

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revitalization. Critics will argue that this is Warren, not any of

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those places. In this regard, the critics are right.

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This is not Ferndale or Royal Oak. This is Warren.

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What these overlays achieve is what the intention always was and should have been

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for this portion of the city. It is taking modern best practices and applying them

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to the historical foundation that has always existed there.

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Thusly, this is about ensuring that the zoning ordinance reflects not only the

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city's past, but also builds for the future.

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This ordinance will not radically transform the community overnight, rather is

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intended to provide a practical and flexible framework for gradual,

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thoughtful redevelopment over time.

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Redevelopment that aligns with the city's adopted vision in response to changing

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economic and demographic realities.

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Thank you for your time and consideration this evening.

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I'd be happy to take any questions that anyone might have.

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Thank you. Thank you, sir. Correspondence?

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Correspondence. Land Bank to Planning Director Ron Wirth

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from Mindy Moore, Acting Director and Chairperson, Warren Land Bank

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Authority, regarding support for

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proposed zoning ordinance amendment overlay district.

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Director Wirth, as Acting Director and Chairperson of Warren Land

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Bank Authority, I write to express strong support for the proposed zoning

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ordinance amendment establishing overlay districts within the order

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sections of the City of Warren. The Warren Land Bank has acquired and

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intends to continue acquiring vacant residential infill lots throughout

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the city. These lots are within older established

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neighborhoods where lot sizes are typically smaller and

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predate the adoption of the city's zoning ordinance.

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The City of Warren itself owns hundreds of vacant residential lots in these

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same areas, and the Land Bank mission is to

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strategically

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assemble and enable the redevelopment of these properties.

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A primary goal of the Land Bank is to partner with developers to

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return vacant lots to active use by reselling them

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for infill housing development, utilizing available tools and

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incentives, including workforce housing development incentives.

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However, the current regulatory framework presents substantial barriers to

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achieving this objective.

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At present, most vacant lots in these neighborhoods cannot be redeveloped

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without obtaining zoning variance due to lot widths,

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lot areas, or setbacks requirement that are inconsistent with the

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historical development patterns of these areas.

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This creates unnecessary expense, delay, and uncertainty for

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developers, while also placing an ongoing administrative

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burden on the Zoning Board of Appeal.

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These cases may not always present true hardship, but rather the simple

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fact that lots were platted and developed long before modern

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zoning standard existed. At the same time, the housing market

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faces significant challenges. Rising construction material cost,

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labor shortage, persistent inflation, and higher interest rates

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have made it unnecessarily difficult to build new homes that are

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affordable or even feasible at current market rates.

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Without regulatory flexibility, it is doubtful that meaningful infill

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development on these lots could occur in the foreseeable future.

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The proposed overlay district represents a measured, thoughtful

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solution to these challenges by tailoring development standards to

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reflect the reality of Warren's older neighborhood.

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The overlay will do the following.

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Number one, enable redevelopment of long-vacant residential lots.

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Number two, reduce reliance on variance

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while preserving the integrity of the zoning ordinance.

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Number three, provide needed flexibility for developers without

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compromising neighborhood character.

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Number four, support the creation of quality infill housing that

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strengthens and stabilizes existing neighborhoods.

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Importantly, the overlay district does not promote

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incompatible development. Rather, it allows new homes

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to be constructed in a manner that is context

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sensitive, consistent with existing

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patterns, and supportive of neighborhood investment.

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New construction on currently vacant lots will enhance surrounding

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blocks, increase property tax base, and improve public safety

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and aesthetics. The Warren Land Bank Authority strongly

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supports maintaining the role of the Zoning Board of Appeal as

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intended, which is granting variance only where a

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true hardship exists. This ordinance achieves that goal by

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addressing systematic issues through

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legislative action rather

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than placing pressures on the ZBA to solve them on a case-by-case

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basis. For these reasons, I support the proposed zoning ordinance

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amendment. This change is a critical step toward unlocking

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infill development, addressing housing challenges, and

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reinvesting in Warren's older neighborhood.

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Please feel free to contact me should you have any questions or wish to

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discuss the Land Bank's perspective further.

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Respectively submitted by Mindy Moore, Acting Director and

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Chairperson.We also have an attached

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residential correspondence that we'll be reading.

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So this was sent on May 6th,

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2026. "Dear members of the Planning Commission, my name is

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Paul, and my family and I live in Warren, and I wanted to take a moment to thank

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you for the proposed overlay district ordinance.

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I love that this is happening. A common goal made explicit in this

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ordinance to adapt faster to housing and economic trends, moving

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away from the static zoning and single-use suburban

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rigidity, a real reform, low risk, and high return that allows

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organic natural growth.

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As a parent raising young children here, I truly appreciate the direction this is

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going. We finally legalized missing middle housing that

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is a structured shift allowing duplex, triplex, and

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quadruplex, reducing minimum

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size, lot size barriers to build more starter

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family housing down to 3,000 to 6,000 square feet,

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and it applies across a large area of the city.

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It is reducing prohibitively large parking minimum

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barriers quietly, yet significantly, to one

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space per unit and allowing tandem parking and driveway

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parking. This matters more than it looks, and it makes more project

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financially viable. It reduces land waste on asphalt and

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enables incremental infill.

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Project less than four units bypass site plan review, and staff can

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grant setback reduction, parking

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reduction, lot size flexibility.

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This will cut time and cost, unlocking small developers and

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reduces political friction. I love the Van D**e overlay,

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a real mixed use corridor. It allows mixed use, residential,

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retail service, and has low

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front setback allowed. Urban form allows for parking

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reduction and gas station, car washes, auto uses,

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and are prohibited. This encourages walkability

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and an active streetscape form design.

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This will turn destroyed corridors into places to love and

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provide more value per acre, avoiding low productivity land

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use in our valuable city center area.

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This feels like a thoughtful and practical response to today's housing and

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economical realities. It gives families like ours more options to

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stay in the community as our needs change over time.

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We have

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rising house cost, limited options for younger families and seniors,

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and a lot of unused land, especially along

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our main corridor. I also appreciate that the proposed focus on

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incremental change rather than drastical transformation, that

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approach feels appropriate for a city like Warren.

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I would encourage the city to think about a path to expand this more broadly over

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time. I did want to respectfully

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offer a few suggestions that could strengthen the impact of this

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ordinance while keeping its spirit intact.

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Number one, allow significantly more flexibility for

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small mixed use and multi-family buildings.

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For example, up to six to eight units along major corridors and

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major road intersection where infrastructures

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already exist. The current limit makes sense inside neighborhoods,

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but along major roads like

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the mile roads, Ryan, Hoover, Van D**e, we already have

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infrastructures designed for higher intensity.

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This will support local businesses and still remain compatible

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in scale. This is not high-rise development.

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It's still neighborhood scale, just in the right locations.

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Number two, make it easy for small builders to participate.

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One of the biggest opportunity here is not large developers, but small

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local

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builders and even homeowners. A fast-track approval

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process would reduce cost, reduce delays, and make these

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projects actually happen, not just

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be legal on paper.

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Number three, encourage adaptive reuse of older commercial

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properties like vacant strip malls, car wash, gas stations, or

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banquet halls into housing or mixed use spaces.

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We have a lot of aging commercial properties that don't match

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today's economic or feel abandoned.

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If we make it easier to convert those

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into housing or mixed use, we can increase the tax base for the

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administration, reduce vacancy, and improve

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the look and feel of our corridor for all of our residents.

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This is one of the lowest risk ways to grow, and I believe everyone

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would support that. I share these ideas with

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respect and appreciation for the work already done.

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This proposal feels like a strong step in the right direction, and I

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hope the city continues building on it.

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Thank you for your time and for your service to our community.

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Sincerely, best regards, Paul Bontek."

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Madam Secretary.

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Planning Commission's recommendation.

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Mr. Chairman, before we continue, can we get his

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name and address for the record,

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and position?

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Apologies. Hunter Manikis, economic development with the City of Warren,

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One City Square.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Thank you, sir.

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The purpose for the public hearing is for the Planning Commission to receive

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public comment. The Commission, in turn, recommends the Planning

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Department and City Attorney for any suggested changes.

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Therefore, it is recommended that the proposed amendments to Article 4 of

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Appendix A of the City of Warren Code of Ordinances and to

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add Article

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4H to create the following special public purpose overlay

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districts, Missing Middle Overlay District, and the Van D**e Mixed-Use

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District on certain specific areas of land and to adapt the

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development and use standards to shifting housing, economic, and

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demographic trends be approved conditionally with additional

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changes and then forwarded with the Commission's final recommendation to City

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Council for approval.So I'll read off some of the changes that

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we had

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when reviewing the different sections of this ordinance.

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So number one, Section

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4H0.06, Permitted Uses, to

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add also one-family dwellings, that's single family as well,

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in addition to the duplex, triplex, and quads.

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Number two, Section 4H.07,

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remove the section with the strikethrough from the ordinance.

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Number three, Section

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4H.08,

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Setbacks. So we want it to be changed from

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side yards 10 feet combined as measured from the leading edge,

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the overhang, less than five feet from the property line, will need to meet

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MBC 2021 fire-resisting construction, and we want to change that

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to 10 feet combined as measured from the leading edge

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overhang, less than five feet from the property line, and will need to

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meet Michigan Building Code fire-resisting construction as adopted by the

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City of Warren.

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Number four, Section 4H.08, Setbacks.

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We want it to change from street side yard

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and change to corner lot clear vision area.

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Number five, Section 4H.08, Setbacks.

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We want this to be added to the end of this section.

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The planning director or building director may require an increase to the front,

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rear, or side yard setbacks upon making a written finding that

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one or more of the following conditions applies.

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Number one, tree preservation. A setback increase is necessary to

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protect the critical root zone of an existing tree regulated

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under Chapter 38 of the Code of Ordinances,

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as determined by the Urban Forestry Committee or its designee.

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For purposes of this section, a regulated tree is any living

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tree of six inches or greater in diameter at breast height,

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DBH, measured four and one half feet above grade,

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located on the subject lot or within five feet of the subject lot line.

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Or number two, physical encroachment impact.

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The proposed structure would, due to its proximity to an existing

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structure on abutting lot, foreseeably prevent

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required egress, block access to required mechanical

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equipment, or violate fire separation requirements under the Michigan Building

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Code.

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Any setback increase required under this section shall be the

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minimum necessary to address the identified condition.

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Then number six, Section 4H.09, Building Height.

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We want to remove the bolded section beginning with rooftop mechanical

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equipment.

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Number seven, Section 4H.10, Lot Coverage.

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So we want to change from, "All structures combined shall meet a 40%

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lot coverage," and change that to, "All structures combined shall not

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exceed a 50% lot coverage."

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And then number eight, Section 4H.13, Design

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Standards.

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And actually, we do have this on the screen also.

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So change from no snout homes to change to no front garage

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homes or snout homes.

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And number nine, Section 4H.13, Design

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Standards. So we just want to replace the image that we had in the draft

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ordinance to a new image, which is on the screen.

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Number 10, Section 4H.16, Site

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Plan and Administrative Review.

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So we want to just remove this third paragraph.

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And this is the paragraph that begins with, "The planning director, building

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director for lots outside of purview of site plan review,"

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and it goes on. So we just want to remove that whole section.

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And number 11.

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Now, these begin at the Van D**e Mixed-Use District.

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So this is where these changes are from.

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So that completed all the changes we had for the Missing Middle overlay

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section, and now this is the Van D**e Mixed-Use section.

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So number 11, Section 4H.20, Permitted

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Uses. So we want to add certain uses under these different categories.

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So we want to add retail service centers specializing in shipping,

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packaging, printing, and business support services under Permitted Uses,

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Professional Services. Add screen printing under

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Permitted Uses, Professional Services.

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Add specialized small-scale entertainment business, for

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example, karaoke, escape rooms, under Entertainment.

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We want to add art studios and classes under Permitted Uses,

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Fitness/Arts. We want to add tailor and seamstress

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services under Permitted Uses, Personal and Business Services.

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And number 12, Section 4H.22, Maximum Height.

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This is the same

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section that we added to the Missing Middle district.

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So we want to add this to the end of the section.

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The planning director, building director, or planning commission may require an

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increase to the front, rear, or side yard setbacks upon making a

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written finding that one or more of the following conditions applies.

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Number one, tree preservation. A setback increase is necessary to protect the

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critical root zone of an existing tree regulated under

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Chapter 38 of the Code of Ordinances, as determined by the Urban

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Forestry Committee or its designee.

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For purposes of this section, a regulated tree is any living tree

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of six inches or greater in diameter at breast height,

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measured four and one half feet above grade, located on the subject lot or within

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five feet of the subject lot line. Or number two, physical

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encroachment impact. The proposed structure would, due to its proximity to an

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existing structure on an abutting lot,

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foreseeably prevent required egress,

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block access to required mechanical equipment, or violate fire

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separation requirements under the Michigan Building Code.

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Any setback increase required under this section shall be the minimum necessary

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to address the identified condition.

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Okay, number 13, Section 4H.23, Prohibited Uses.

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It's a word change, change from car washes and change to

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auto washes.Number 14, Section

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4H.24, Setbacks.

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We want to add a Section E, Corner Site Clearance and

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Building Design. And this begins with, "At the

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intersection of two public streets, a clear vision area shall be established

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and maintained in accordance with the following.

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Number one, a clear vision triangle.

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A triangular clear vision area shall be established by measuring

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15 feet along each lot line from the

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intersection of the street right-of-way lines and connecting those

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points. Within this area, no building, structure, wall, fence, sign,

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landscaping, or other obstruction exceeding 30 inches in height

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shall be permitted except as otherwise provided in this section.

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Number two, permitted building encroachments.

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Notwithstanding the above, buildings within the Van D**e mixed-use

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district may be constructed at or up to the

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front and side property lines, including within the clear vision triangle, provided

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one or more of the following design treatments are incorporated to

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maintain adequate visibility at the intersection.

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A, a chamfered or angled building corner.

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B, a recessed corner entrance or setback at the ground floor.

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C, a visually permeable corner design incorporating glazing,

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open air space, or similar architectural treatment.

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D, structural support columns in accordance with subsection three

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below.

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Number three, structural columns.

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Structural columns may be located within the clear vision area

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provided A, no individual column exceeds 24

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inches by 24 inches, which is 2 feet by 2 feet,

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as measured at its widest point. B, columns are limited in number

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and spacing such as that they do not collectively create a continuous or

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near-continuous visual obstruction.

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C, the area between columns remains open and unobstructed to preserve

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visibility for motorists and pedestrians.

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And D, columns are integrated into the building design and do not function

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as a solid wall or screening element.

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Number four, prohibited conditions.

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The following shall not be permitted within the clear vision area.

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A, solid building walls or facades without openings or transparency.

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B, multiple structural elements arranged in a manner that creates the effect of a

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continuous wall or visual barrier.

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C, any design that in practice obstructs visibility for vehicles or pedestrians at

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the intersection. Five, the intent.

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The standards of this section are intended to allow buildings to be constructed at

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or near zero-foot setbacks in a manner consistent with a

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pedestrian-oriented mixed-use environment while maintaining adequate sight

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lines for safe vehicle and pedestrian movement and intersections."

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And number 15, Van D**e mixed-use district comments

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Section 4H.17, Purpose A through

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Section 4H.23, Prohibited

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Uses. Section 4H.17, Purpose A, change the

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last sentence to, "This overlay zone shall supersede the

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existing underlying zoning districts."

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Then add the following sentence at the end of the paragraph, "When residentially

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zoned parcels existing within the boundaries of the Van D**e

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mixed-use district are subject to development or redevelopment changes, the

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missing middle overlay district regulations shall be applied."

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Section 4H.17, Purpose B, add

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"avenue" at the end of the second sentence.

508
00:27:53.712 --> 00:27:55.972
Section 4H.17, Purpose H,

509
00:27:56.232 --> 00:28:00.132
end the paragraph at the word corridors and remove, "To

510
00:28:00.172 --> 00:28:03.562
allow flexible development centered on promoting a vibrant atmosphere."

511
00:28:04.252 --> 00:28:08.212
Section 4H.22, Maximum Height, relocate

512
00:28:08.222 --> 00:28:10.592
the last sentence between the second and third paragraphs.

513
00:28:11.492 --> 00:28:15.172
Section 4H.23, Prohibited Uses, remove the

514
00:28:15.192 --> 00:28:17.632
bolding from the last three bullet-pointed items,

515
00:28:18.592 --> 00:28:22.572
and then remove the bolding from the word expansion and add the word only at the

516
00:28:22.592 --> 00:28:26.312
end of the sentence. So planning staff recommends the above changes are necessary

517
00:28:26.392 --> 00:28:29.452
after further review of the document by the planning and economic development

518
00:28:29.592 --> 00:28:30.032
staff.

519
00:28:31.032 --> 00:28:32.972
And this ends the recommendation.

520
00:28:33.652 --> 00:28:34.331
Thanks, Ms. Michelle.

521
00:28:34.372 --> 00:28:34.672
Thank you.

522
00:28:35.772 --> 00:28:39.112
This is a public hearing, but before we get into it, I want to introduce our ex

523
00:28:39.152 --> 00:28:39.651
officio

524
00:28:40.752 --> 00:28:41.912
Councilman Newman.

525
00:28:42.442 --> 00:28:43.292
Thank you.

526
00:28:43.352 --> 00:28:44.032
Welcome to the meeting.

527
00:28:45.512 --> 00:28:45.522
Thank you.

528
00:28:45.522 --> 00:28:49.032
This is a public hearing. If you want to speak on this item, come up, state your

529
00:28:49.072 --> 00:28:51.532
name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to speak.

530
00:29:00.872 --> 00:29:01.912
Hello. Um-

531
00:29:02.292 --> 00:29:03.572
Uh, excuse me, ma'am. One second.

532
00:29:06.852 --> 00:29:10.732
Do you... He has the slides, yeah. Okay.

533
00:29:11.792 --> 00:29:11.802
Okay.

534
00:29:13.492 --> 00:29:14.712
Give me a timer that doesn't work.

535
00:29:15.252 --> 00:29:17.872
No. It's under three minutes, right? I'll be quick.

536
00:29:18.012 --> 00:29:18.292
Okay.

537
00:29:19.172 --> 00:29:20.232
But they're putting that on.

538
00:29:21.312 --> 00:29:21.722
I'll be kind of quick.

539
00:29:21.722 --> 00:29:23.212
Can you drop the mic a little bit-

540
00:29:23.292 --> 00:29:23.512
Okay

541
00:29:23.732 --> 00:29:24.892
... so you're talking into it?

542
00:29:25.312 --> 00:29:25.992
Is that better?

543
00:29:26.452 --> 00:29:26.952
I think.

544
00:29:28.452 --> 00:29:28.532
Okay.

545
00:29:28.572 --> 00:29:29.172
I hope so.

546
00:29:30.032 --> 00:29:32.672
My name is Nicole Ross. I'm with Spear Partners,

547
00:29:33.492 --> 00:29:35.932
and I want to thank everybody for their time this evening.

548
00:29:36.712 --> 00:29:39.272
Just kind of in support of the overlay,

549
00:29:40.572 --> 00:29:44.172
if you can go to slide two, we are

550
00:29:44.232 --> 00:29:45.792
currently developing homes

551
00:29:46.872 --> 00:29:48.302
on a small scale within the city

552
00:29:49.552 --> 00:29:53.302
with the purpose of bringing workforce housing back and also putting

553
00:29:53.332 --> 00:29:55.232
vacant land back into productive use.

554
00:29:55.752 --> 00:29:57.352
These two houses here,

555
00:29:58.372 --> 00:30:02.332
they're proof of concept of what this zoning overlay can do for the city of

556
00:30:02.372 --> 00:30:06.092
Warren. They're real homes. They're built in South Warren with a great

557
00:30:06.212 --> 00:30:09.872
partnership, and we're not theorizing about how this can work.

558
00:30:09.892 --> 00:30:12.772
We're already doing it. Can you go to the next slide?

559
00:30:14.192 --> 00:30:17.832
When we looked at the housing problem in South Warren, we worked backwards from one

560
00:30:17.892 --> 00:30:21.692
basic question, why did this type of housing stop getting built?

561
00:30:22.592 --> 00:30:26.352
South Warren was built through a combination of small, repeatable floor plans,

562
00:30:26.792 --> 00:30:30.512
30-year mortgages, stable employment, and permissive zoning that allowed

563
00:30:30.572 --> 00:30:34.452
smaller lots and smaller homes. Construction costs, taxes, fees, and

564
00:30:34.472 --> 00:30:37.932
zoning constraints all compounded together which allowed naturally

565
00:30:37.941 --> 00:30:41.552
affordable housing at scale. As mentioned prior before, the

566
00:30:41.612 --> 00:30:45.492
auto-centric standards with the deeper setbacks, the larger lot

567
00:30:45.532 --> 00:30:46.932
minimums, and parking mandates

568
00:30:48.272 --> 00:30:51.512
really kind of ironically hurt

569
00:30:51.872 --> 00:30:55.492
those and builders being able to do things.

570
00:30:56.052 --> 00:30:59.764
Builders... walked away from these small lots, not because the demand

571
00:30:59.773 --> 00:31:03.064
disappeared. It just made these lots and

572
00:31:03.104 --> 00:31:05.654
homes illegal to build with the new zoning.

573
00:31:06.244 --> 00:31:09.674
So our approach has focused on reducing friction in four areas:

574
00:31:10.104 --> 00:31:11.534
lowering the construction costs,

575
00:31:12.684 --> 00:31:14.584
reducing the zoning barriers,

576
00:31:15.664 --> 00:31:19.144
using low-cost city-owned land, and using tax tools to improve the

577
00:31:19.184 --> 00:31:19.844
feasibility.

578
00:31:21.584 --> 00:31:25.263
No single piece solves it alone, but together they create a workable path.

579
00:31:25.304 --> 00:31:26.584
Can you go to the next? Thank you.

580
00:31:27.944 --> 00:31:31.544
One of the things that has been a concern for many people

581
00:31:31.864 --> 00:31:35.714
is the rental housing. What we're proposing

582
00:31:35.714 --> 00:31:38.684
is not an absentee investor model.

583
00:31:38.744 --> 00:31:42.444
These homes will be locally owned, locally managed with an accountable

584
00:31:42.484 --> 00:31:46.304
party to the city of Warren. Build to rent, in this case, is also a

585
00:31:46.364 --> 00:31:50.284
sequencing strategy. In neighborhoods where appraisals and financing have

586
00:31:50.304 --> 00:31:53.944
been suppressed for years, professionally managed rental housing helps

587
00:31:54.024 --> 00:31:57.384
establish new comparables, stabilize blocks, and attract additional private

588
00:31:57.424 --> 00:32:01.384
investment. Over time, this creates the conditions for more for sale

589
00:32:01.424 --> 00:32:03.264
housing and more owner occupancy.

590
00:32:03.634 --> 00:32:06.114
In fact, we're integrating that product as well.

591
00:32:06.744 --> 00:32:10.524
You can go to the next one. Since we have instituted this in

592
00:32:10.564 --> 00:32:13.334
late 2025, we were able to get a pilot approved.

593
00:32:13.784 --> 00:32:15.444
We started the zoning discussions.

594
00:32:15.514 --> 00:32:19.444
The first homes were delivered, those two that you saw on the first slide, and we

595
00:32:19.484 --> 00:32:23.044
have since applied for four additional permits that we are working

596
00:32:23.144 --> 00:32:24.864
on. Next one.

597
00:32:26.284 --> 00:32:30.144
The four ingredients to make this work is the modular construction, the low

598
00:32:30.184 --> 00:32:34.124
land basis, the reduced taxes and fees, but most importantly, the permissive zoning

599
00:32:34.144 --> 00:32:37.264
through the overlay. If any one of those pieces disappears,

600
00:32:38.104 --> 00:32:40.434
things break down quickly. Is that my three minutes?

601
00:32:41.364 --> 00:32:41.604
Okay.

602
00:32:43.324 --> 00:32:44.924
You can go through the next couple of slides

603
00:32:45.824 --> 00:32:48.664
real quick. But more or less, it's a three-bedroom, two-bath home.

604
00:32:49.784 --> 00:32:52.664
Honestly, putting a modest home under these

605
00:32:53.364 --> 00:32:56.164
standards that we have now was a big issue.

606
00:32:56.884 --> 00:33:00.734
We also, on the setbacks in most of these existing neighborhoods,

607
00:33:00.804 --> 00:33:02.524
they vary significantly anyway.

608
00:33:03.064 --> 00:33:06.584
Requiring a rigid

609
00:33:06.644 --> 00:33:09.604
modern setback doesn't preserve neighborhood character.

610
00:33:09.644 --> 00:33:13.264
In many cases, it actually conflicts with the historic development pattern that

611
00:33:13.304 --> 00:33:14.624
already existed.

612
00:33:16.324 --> 00:33:19.254
Really, at the end of the day, we're urging

613
00:33:20.724 --> 00:33:24.154
the planning commission to adopt this

614
00:33:24.664 --> 00:33:28.434
so that we can continue to bring Warren back to where it

615
00:33:28.484 --> 00:33:31.164
needs to be, like it was mentioned with other cities.

616
00:33:31.194 --> 00:33:31.404
And we

617
00:33:32.824 --> 00:33:36.744
know that Warren can be the model for practical workforce housing done the

618
00:33:36.764 --> 00:33:40.544
right way. And we urge the planning commission to recommend approval to

619
00:33:40.584 --> 00:33:41.164
council tonight.

620
00:33:41.744 --> 00:33:42.504
Thank you, ma'am.

621
00:33:42.564 --> 00:33:42.864
Thank you.

622
00:33:51.744 --> 00:33:54.004
See, you missed it. I got connection.

623
00:33:58.404 --> 00:33:59.244
One second, please.

624
00:34:14.404 --> 00:34:29.544
Okay.

625
00:34:29.884 --> 00:34:32.384
All right. Does anyone else like to speak on this item?

626
00:34:33.644 --> 00:34:36.245
Come upstate your name and address for the record and you have three minutes to

627
00:34:36.324 --> 00:34:36.504
speak.

628
00:34:39.745 --> 00:34:41.205
Seeing none, we'll turn over to commission.

629
00:34:44.464 --> 00:34:44.685
Chair,

630
00:34:45.784 --> 00:34:48.144
I make a motion to approve a discussion.

631
00:34:49.245 --> 00:34:49.904
Support.

632
00:34:53.245 --> 00:34:55.984
There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Doucette.

633
00:34:56.464 --> 00:34:57.184
Go with discussion?

634
00:34:57.924 --> 00:35:01.524
Yes. Can that young lady from Spears step forward again?

635
00:35:04.484 --> 00:35:05.234
She's not the petitioner.

636
00:35:05.304 --> 00:35:06.244
Oh, she's not?

637
00:35:08.344 --> 00:35:12.084
Oh, okay then. My mistake. Hunter, can you step forward then?

638
00:35:12.264 --> 00:35:15.104
I didn't know who to direct this question to. I apologize.

639
00:35:15.144 --> 00:35:17.964
Got to fix this again. Me and Nicole aren't exactly the same height.

640
00:35:18.844 --> 00:35:21.784
Okay. Well, she did mention a couple things in her

641
00:35:23.064 --> 00:35:24.124
nice presentation.

642
00:35:25.704 --> 00:35:29.424
As far as the cost per the homes, do you have any ideas?

643
00:35:30.184 --> 00:35:33.344
I know a lot of this is focusing in the south end of Warren-

644
00:35:33.624 --> 00:35:33.774
Mm-hmm

645
00:35:34.204 --> 00:35:37.944
... this overlay district. But, do you have any ideas what the

646
00:35:37.964 --> 00:35:39.604
cost per home is going to be?

647
00:35:40.724 --> 00:35:42.204
Idea. Ballpark.

648
00:35:42.724 --> 00:35:46.124
Yes. There's a few different ways that these modular homes can be designed.

649
00:35:46.284 --> 00:35:46.563
So,

650
00:35:48.294 --> 00:35:50.304
there's various models that could be implemented.

651
00:35:50.724 --> 00:35:52.684
I would say the standard is about

652
00:35:52.694 --> 00:35:55.984
$225,000 per home.

653
00:35:57.364 --> 00:36:01.104
And typically, unfortunately in the area, if you build a

654
00:36:01.124 --> 00:36:04.834
home for 230, 235, it'll only sell for about

655
00:36:05.044 --> 00:36:08.564
200,000. So it's very much so economically

656
00:36:08.604 --> 00:36:10.944
infeasible to build in the area.

657
00:36:10.984 --> 00:36:11.014
Mm-hmm.

658
00:36:11.544 --> 00:36:15.424
And a- as was mentioned, that's why the pilot program was approved by

659
00:36:15.464 --> 00:36:19.354
council, which gives some tax incentives, forgoes some of that

660
00:36:19.404 --> 00:36:22.954
tax revenue to get this reinvestment that's much needed.

661
00:36:23.644 --> 00:36:27.084
Because unfortunately, just right now, to just build and sell, you would actually

662
00:36:27.104 --> 00:36:28.944
be losing money, is the state of the market.

663
00:36:29.684 --> 00:36:33.464
I understand. So these are going to be rent to buy or for

664
00:36:33.504 --> 00:36:33.764
sale?

665
00:36:34.684 --> 00:36:36.124
Right now, there's two proposed models.

666
00:36:36.184 --> 00:36:38.624
One of them is going to be build to rent, which will

667
00:36:39.464 --> 00:36:41.424
just be for rentals. And then there's also,

668
00:36:42.304 --> 00:36:44.864
we're exploring the rent to sell as well.

669
00:36:44.924 --> 00:36:48.844
Or sorry, build to sell as well. And there's been cooperation with the

670
00:36:48.944 --> 00:36:49.224
state,

671
00:36:50.084 --> 00:36:51.484
and MSHDA, the Michigan

672
00:36:52.284 --> 00:36:55.144
Housing... I forget the whole acronym, but MSHDA-

673
00:36:55.154 --> 00:36:55.154
Right

674
00:36:55.164 --> 00:36:55.954
... works in housing.

675
00:36:57.524 --> 00:37:01.384
And they're trying to find some funding to make this work for South Warren

676
00:37:01.444 --> 00:37:03.624
as well, where then we could have a for sale model

677
00:37:05.492 --> 00:37:09.052
Okay. So you're saying for rent, would that be just local?

678
00:37:10.552 --> 00:37:11.332
Can I just clarify one thing?

679
00:37:11.512 --> 00:37:12.262
Sure. Yeah, thank you.

680
00:37:12.292 --> 00:37:16.272
But the ordinance itself would allow for anybody who wants to even build their

681
00:37:16.332 --> 00:37:17.182
own home, it-

682
00:37:17.572 --> 00:37:17.952
Okay

683
00:37:17.962 --> 00:37:20.392
... or somebody else to. It's not contingent on...

684
00:37:20.632 --> 00:37:24.612
That's one model for a local developer, how they're planning

685
00:37:24.772 --> 00:37:28.572
to put those homes in. But the text amendment, it could be

686
00:37:28.632 --> 00:37:29.512
anybody-

687
00:37:30.052 --> 00:37:30.212
Okay

688
00:37:30.252 --> 00:37:32.932
... financing their own home and that sort of thing.

689
00:37:32.952 --> 00:37:35.432
So that's not part of the ordinance necessarily.

690
00:37:35.472 --> 00:37:39.152
That's the economic strategy of how they could be

691
00:37:39.172 --> 00:37:39.592
developed.

692
00:37:39.952 --> 00:37:40.791
Okay. Thank you.

693
00:37:41.092 --> 00:37:43.882
Okay. Chair, I yield the floor.

694
00:37:44.492 --> 00:37:45.532
Anyone else like to speak?

695
00:37:45.672 --> 00:37:46.552
Mr. Chairman.

696
00:37:46.972 --> 00:37:47.672
Commissioner Dusek.

697
00:37:48.022 --> 00:37:49.712
It wouldn't be a meeting without it.

698
00:37:51.992 --> 00:37:55.212
A couple of questions. First of all, have you

699
00:37:55.832 --> 00:37:59.532
run this Van D**e mixed-use district past the TIFA

700
00:38:01.152 --> 00:38:01.512
board?

701
00:38:02.412 --> 00:38:06.292
Yes. So pretty much everything that's called for within the Van D**e

702
00:38:06.332 --> 00:38:09.972
mixed-use district is in the city master plan, as well as the Van D**e Corridor

703
00:38:10.092 --> 00:38:13.952
plan and the Van D**e Corridor implementation plan, which we

704
00:38:14.052 --> 00:38:16.572
had designed last year by some MSU students.

705
00:38:16.652 --> 00:38:20.392
They presented it to the TIFA board, and all of our conversations, they're

706
00:38:20.432 --> 00:38:22.272
incredibly excited about this.

707
00:38:23.372 --> 00:38:27.172
A formal approval I don't think has been given, but they have all expressed their

708
00:38:27.212 --> 00:38:28.072
support for it,

709
00:38:28.992 --> 00:38:32.472
either at the meetings during comment or just in conversations.

710
00:38:32.572 --> 00:38:34.092
So they're all very supportive of it, yes.

711
00:38:34.112 --> 00:38:37.352
I think it would behoove all of us to get

712
00:38:38.272 --> 00:38:39.812
TIFA on board with this.

713
00:38:41.212 --> 00:38:45.012
I served on the TIFA board for a rather long time, and

714
00:38:45.472 --> 00:38:49.252
we had a number of developments that if they would've gone in, would've been

715
00:38:49.332 --> 00:38:52.392
gorgeous. But they pulled at the last minute.

716
00:38:53.132 --> 00:38:56.812
And as far as the houses now, Baker is building

717
00:38:56.872 --> 00:38:59.252
houses down there that are just terrific.

718
00:38:59.992 --> 00:39:03.552
Now I'm hoping those are to sell as opposed to rent.

719
00:39:03.652 --> 00:39:07.472
Yes. Those ones, she's been able to garner some support from the state and

720
00:39:07.592 --> 00:39:11.032
MSHDA, as well as tap some Brownfield funds for tax

721
00:39:11.112 --> 00:39:14.492
abatements. And so hers are a for-sale model.

722
00:39:14.862 --> 00:39:15.311
Very good.

723
00:39:16.572 --> 00:39:19.372
Next, easements. How does this

724
00:39:20.892 --> 00:39:24.472
overlay, does it affect easements, to get rid of an

725
00:39:24.572 --> 00:39:25.492
alley, to

726
00:39:26.412 --> 00:39:29.192
split an alley between two lots? How does that work?

727
00:39:30.252 --> 00:39:32.992
I believe it would be the same. I don't think that it really addresses that.

728
00:39:35.032 --> 00:39:38.312
Michelle could probably speak on it. I'm no expert in that area.

729
00:39:38.512 --> 00:39:39.292
Thank you, Michelle.

730
00:39:39.352 --> 00:39:39.892
Yeah. Sorry.

731
00:39:41.752 --> 00:39:45.672
There would be no effect. Yeah. If somebody wished to vacate an

732
00:39:45.752 --> 00:39:47.352
alley, the same process would apply.

733
00:39:47.692 --> 00:39:47.932
So this-

734
00:39:48.012 --> 00:39:50.512
Oh, so the overlay won't affect that at all?

735
00:39:50.652 --> 00:39:54.452
No. If an alley is already existing as a public alley, that would remain a public

736
00:39:54.532 --> 00:39:56.101
alley. It doesn't have any effect on that.

737
00:39:56.132 --> 00:39:56.432
All right.

738
00:39:57.992 --> 00:39:59.032
Last but not least,

739
00:40:00.492 --> 00:40:03.032
it was mentioned that removing

740
00:40:04.352 --> 00:40:04.972
rooftop

741
00:40:05.872 --> 00:40:06.912
HVAC units?

742
00:40:08.032 --> 00:40:11.912
It was just the section. Just remove that section, because it

743
00:40:11.992 --> 00:40:12.752
had to do with

744
00:40:14.832 --> 00:40:17.072
screening on the roof, but that probably wouldn't really apply.

745
00:40:17.132 --> 00:40:19.202
So we just wanted to remove that one section-

746
00:40:19.232 --> 00:40:19.242
Okay

747
00:40:19.312 --> 00:40:19.821
... from the

748
00:40:20.712 --> 00:40:22.092
missing middle overlay.

749
00:40:22.652 --> 00:40:24.052
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

750
00:40:24.072 --> 00:40:26.601
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak? Mr. Hoeck?

751
00:40:26.992 --> 00:40:28.272
Yes, Mr. Chair.

752
00:40:29.152 --> 00:40:31.032
Okay. I would like to ask you,

753
00:40:32.632 --> 00:40:34.512
so what will be the impact

754
00:40:35.392 --> 00:40:36.272
of changing the

755
00:40:37.092 --> 00:40:39.312
existing ordinance to the new ordinance?

756
00:40:39.752 --> 00:40:40.012
What

757
00:40:42.472 --> 00:40:44.432
benefit will get the citizens?

758
00:40:45.432 --> 00:40:48.072
Yeah. So it wouldn't affect anyone that's there right now.

759
00:40:48.112 --> 00:40:51.972
This wouldn't change anyone's existing home to being in a

760
00:40:52.052 --> 00:40:52.492
state of

761
00:40:53.632 --> 00:40:55.512
illegal noncompliance or anything like that.

762
00:40:55.572 --> 00:40:59.472
What this would do would be to allow for new people to build

763
00:40:59.572 --> 00:41:03.092
on these lots, as right now I believe you need a 60-foot

764
00:41:03.292 --> 00:41:07.092
wide lot, in our current zoning, to be able to

765
00:41:07.132 --> 00:41:11.072
legally build on it. The vast majority, there's about 250

766
00:41:11.412 --> 00:41:14.722
vacant residential lots specifically in this area that we're

767
00:41:14.752 --> 00:41:18.372
addressing, and the vast majority of them, probably

768
00:41:18.572 --> 00:41:21.811
66%, are smaller than 40 feet, or 40 feet.

769
00:41:22.072 --> 00:41:26.032
So that unlocks the ability for buy right developers to be able

770
00:41:26.092 --> 00:41:29.672
to come in, or anyone looking to build a home at all, to come in

771
00:41:29.752 --> 00:41:33.512
and build on these lots that right now it's strictly not

772
00:41:33.572 --> 00:41:36.572
allowed. They would need to go to ZBA and get variances to

773
00:41:37.972 --> 00:41:38.312
do so.

774
00:41:39.012 --> 00:41:42.702
Okay. So it looks like lots are going to be smaller, right

775
00:41:43.272 --> 00:41:43.412
now?

776
00:41:43.752 --> 00:41:46.812
So the lots are already existing as 40 feet,

777
00:41:47.532 --> 00:41:50.252
so it won't decrease any lot sizes already.

778
00:41:50.312 --> 00:41:54.272
We have a large inventory of vacant lots that are

779
00:41:54.592 --> 00:41:58.352
a smaller size than is allowed to build on, and this will unlock the

780
00:41:58.392 --> 00:42:00.652
ability for people to build on these lots.

781
00:42:00.992 --> 00:42:03.232
So what will be the impact on the taxes?

782
00:42:03.252 --> 00:42:06.712
Because there is a big issue on taxes, people talking in Warren

783
00:42:06.772 --> 00:42:07.272
especially.

784
00:42:07.662 --> 00:42:07.772
Mm-hmm.

785
00:42:07.852 --> 00:42:11.732
So taxes will be reduced, increasing or decrease?

786
00:42:13.152 --> 00:42:17.112
I would say it's a net neutral. But in my opinion, I think that because

787
00:42:17.152 --> 00:42:20.452
you're adding more people to the tax base, more money to the schools from the

788
00:42:20.532 --> 00:42:23.872
state, all that, I believe that it would reduce taxes in the long term.

789
00:42:24.892 --> 00:42:28.712
But that would be a more macro view of things rather than on

790
00:42:29.652 --> 00:42:32.672
each individual home that's built isn't going to have any effect on that.

791
00:42:32.852 --> 00:42:36.812
But when you look at the big picture and adding all of these new houses,

792
00:42:36.872 --> 00:42:40.842
all these new residents, there's going to be more of a tax base to draw from, and

793
00:42:40.872 --> 00:42:43.752
it would have a net neutral. And in the long term,

794
00:42:43.812 --> 00:42:47.712
essentially, there would be more tax money to draw from, so you

795
00:42:47.732 --> 00:42:49.512
wouldn't need to have as high of taxes.

796
00:42:51.812 --> 00:42:53.832
But that's big picture, down the road, so...

797
00:42:54.212 --> 00:42:56.372
Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much.

798
00:42:57.952 --> 00:42:59.132
Anyone else like to speak on this?

799
00:42:59.912 --> 00:43:02.852
Mr. Chair, may I please?

800
00:43:04.832 --> 00:43:05.512
Commissioner Ansar?

801
00:43:05.752 --> 00:43:06.012
Yes.

802
00:43:10.428 --> 00:43:14.228
So this district, I just want to clear that the district started from Van

803
00:43:14.288 --> 00:43:18.008
D**e and all the way Hoover, and 8 Mile to Stevenson,

804
00:43:18.108 --> 00:43:18.308
right?

805
00:43:19.288 --> 00:43:22.348
I believe it starts at Sherwood and runs all the way to...

806
00:43:22.468 --> 00:43:24.318
So there's the two different overlays.

807
00:43:24.368 --> 00:43:28.228
I believe that the missing middle, which is the residential, runs from Sherwood

808
00:43:28.988 --> 00:43:30.288
all the way to Eastpointe,

809
00:43:31.128 --> 00:43:32.508
and along Stevens Road.

810
00:43:33.368 --> 00:43:34.147
So it goes...

811
00:43:35.868 --> 00:43:38.008
Perhaps Michelle can specify here.

812
00:43:39.208 --> 00:43:39.498
I have a map.

813
00:43:39.498 --> 00:43:40.108
Sherwood, right?

814
00:43:40.868 --> 00:43:41.468
On the west.

815
00:43:42.548 --> 00:43:43.748
Yeah. Okay.

816
00:43:43.848 --> 00:43:43.918
Yeah.

817
00:43:43.918 --> 00:43:46.688
Yes. So that's Sherwood on the west, which is

818
00:43:48.268 --> 00:43:49.168
pretty close to Van D**e-

819
00:43:49.178 --> 00:43:49.238
Yeah. Sherwood

820
00:43:49.248 --> 00:43:53.048
... but still to the west, and all the way over to Eastpointe. Correct?

821
00:43:53.998 --> 00:43:53.998
Eastpointe.

822
00:43:54.008 --> 00:43:54.828
And then-

823
00:43:54.928 --> 00:43:55.968
Beechwood, I think, is the last

824
00:43:56.048 --> 00:43:58.848
... north will be Stevenson, right? Stevenson Road?

825
00:43:59.328 --> 00:44:01.668
Yep. Stevens is the northernmost boundary, correct.

826
00:44:01.988 --> 00:44:02.288
Yes.

827
00:44:03.108 --> 00:44:06.738
So my question was, I see that article section

828
00:44:07.028 --> 00:44:10.758
4H23. So I was a little bit confused about that.

829
00:44:11.408 --> 00:44:15.308
Section 423, I see that a few of the business is going to

830
00:44:15.328 --> 00:44:19.268
be prohibited. So existing business, all of those

831
00:44:19.288 --> 00:44:22.788
business, they still will be there, and new will not be

832
00:44:22.908 --> 00:44:25.068
allowed in near future in this district.

833
00:44:25.748 --> 00:44:27.768
So it won't affect the existing businesses.

834
00:44:27.788 --> 00:44:27.868
Yes.

835
00:44:27.908 --> 00:44:30.408
This is for new businesses that would come in.

836
00:44:30.548 --> 00:44:33.028
So any existing business wouldn't be affected by this.

837
00:44:33.228 --> 00:44:37.188
Any existing, like a gas station, auto sales, car wash, still will be

838
00:44:37.228 --> 00:44:37.538
there, but-

839
00:44:37.728 --> 00:44:38.698
Correct. Yeah. They're totally fine

840
00:44:38.698 --> 00:44:41.868
... if new coming, any gas station, car wash, vehicle

841
00:44:41.968 --> 00:44:45.688
repair shop, firearm shop, sales, those will

842
00:44:45.768 --> 00:44:47.108
not be approved there anymore-

843
00:44:47.568 --> 00:44:47.638
Correct

844
00:44:47.638 --> 00:44:48.468
... after we approve this.

845
00:44:48.848 --> 00:44:49.208
Correct.

846
00:44:51.528 --> 00:44:55.308
Okay. I just wanted to clear this. So that will be prohibited after we approve

847
00:44:55.318 --> 00:44:58.928
this, city council approve this. All those prohibited list,

848
00:44:59.528 --> 00:45:01.528
they cannot be in this district anymore.

849
00:45:02.568 --> 00:45:03.567
In that specific district.

850
00:45:03.688 --> 00:45:03.818
Specific district.

851
00:45:03.868 --> 00:45:04.718
Not citywide, just this-

852
00:45:04.768 --> 00:45:06.128
I know. That specific district

853
00:45:06.138 --> 00:45:07.408
... yeah. The specific district. Yeah.

854
00:45:08.028 --> 00:45:10.128
All right. Thank you. Thank you for clearing all those.

855
00:45:10.948 --> 00:45:12.118
Anyone else like to speak on this?

856
00:45:15.768 --> 00:45:17.128
I have a couple questions, Michelle.

857
00:45:17.908 --> 00:45:19.518
I was going through it again, and

858
00:45:20.908 --> 00:45:24.748
I noticed that because the overlay and missing middle, that it's article

859
00:45:25.068 --> 00:45:25.788
4H.

860
00:45:27.068 --> 00:45:29.858
But then what I'm reading down in division one is

861
00:45:30.428 --> 00:45:31.788
4-A is general.

862
00:45:33.008 --> 00:45:35.948
So shouldn't that be maybe

863
00:45:36.288 --> 00:45:39.028
4-HA? Because keeping-

864
00:45:39.048 --> 00:45:41.497
In between... Oh, I'm so sorry to cut you off.

865
00:45:41.568 --> 00:45:44.568
I was going to say that some of those types of things, the

866
00:45:44.628 --> 00:45:48.618
numbering, assuming this is approved,

867
00:45:48.668 --> 00:45:52.458
if it's recommended for approval, those types of edits and the addition of

868
00:45:52.488 --> 00:45:56.398
these additional recommendations will be fixed prior to it

869
00:45:56.508 --> 00:46:00.458
being sent to city council. So these are some changes that the attorney's

870
00:46:00.528 --> 00:46:04.148
office work the numbering in, and they'll fix any of those numbering

871
00:46:04.208 --> 00:46:04.628
issues-

872
00:46:05.108 --> 00:46:05.178
Okay

873
00:46:05.188 --> 00:46:06.148
... and letters.

874
00:46:06.188 --> 00:46:06.298
All right.

875
00:46:06.298 --> 00:46:08.248
And they'll be cleaned up before it moves further.

876
00:46:08.888 --> 00:46:09.928
All right. Very good.

877
00:46:09.968 --> 00:46:10.268
Yeah. Thanks.

878
00:46:10.708 --> 00:46:11.108
Thank you.

879
00:46:13.768 --> 00:46:15.108
Okay. Anyone else? No?

880
00:46:16.468 --> 00:46:19.548
That was a motion by Commissioner Halawati, supported by Commissioner Douze.

881
00:46:20.048 --> 00:46:20.388
Roll call.

882
00:46:21.068 --> 00:46:21.868
Commissioner Halawati?

883
00:46:22.588 --> 00:46:22.848
Yes.

884
00:46:24.188 --> 00:46:24.968
Commissioner Douze?

885
00:46:25.168 --> 00:46:25.348
Yes.

886
00:46:26.128 --> 00:46:28.328
Commissioner Ansir?

887
00:46:28.468 --> 00:46:28.808
Yes.

888
00:46:29.548 --> 00:46:30.268
Commissioner Hayde?

889
00:46:31.348 --> 00:46:31.608
Yes.

890
00:46:32.308 --> 00:46:33.028
Commissioner Hawk?

891
00:46:33.668 --> 00:46:33.948
Yes.

892
00:46:34.488 --> 00:46:36.208
Commissioner Mori votes yes. Commissioner Meineke?

893
00:46:36.368 --> 00:46:37.048
Yes, to approve.

894
00:46:37.568 --> 00:46:38.208
Commissioner Smith?

895
00:46:38.388 --> 00:46:39.068
Yes, to approve.

896
00:46:40.128 --> 00:46:43.768
Good evening. Good luck with the project, and I know it was a

897
00:46:43.808 --> 00:46:47.068
mouthful for everybody to speak everything, but at least we have a better

898
00:46:47.108 --> 00:46:49.348
understanding of what you're trying to do. And thank you.

899
00:46:49.468 --> 00:46:52.497
Happy to help, and thank you all for your time this evening and consideration.

900
00:46:52.688 --> 00:46:53.888
Really do appreciate it.

901
00:46:53.928 --> 00:46:54.508
Thank you.

902
00:46:54.628 --> 00:46:55.508
Good work.

903
00:46:57.368 --> 00:46:58.308
Item number 6B.

904
00:46:59.888 --> 00:47:03.268
Item number 6B, site plan for new marijuana adult use

905
00:47:03.408 --> 00:47:07.168
retail establishment located on the east side of Dequindre Road,

906
00:47:07.208 --> 00:47:10.848
approximately 977.37 feet

907
00:47:10.948 --> 00:47:14.748
south of 11 Mile Road. 26620 Dequindre

908
00:47:14.788 --> 00:47:18.248
Road, Section 19, Marjin Samona and Dequindre,

909
00:47:19.608 --> 00:47:22.508
26620 LLC PSP

910
00:47:22.648 --> 00:47:24.628
260017. Thank you.

911
00:47:24.888 --> 00:47:28.048
Thank you. Good evening, sir. You want to state your name and address for the

912
00:47:28.088 --> 00:47:30.248
record, and tell us a little bit about your project.

913
00:47:30.848 --> 00:47:34.648
Good evening. My name is Robert Zora, on behalf of 26620 Dequindre

914
00:47:34.748 --> 00:47:35.068
LLC.

915
00:47:36.348 --> 00:47:40.268
Address is 1100 West Maple Road, Troy, Michigan.

916
00:47:42.508 --> 00:47:45.628
This project is an adult use marijuana establishment.

917
00:47:45.948 --> 00:47:49.788
It's located at 26620 Dequindre Road.

918
00:47:52.388 --> 00:47:52.768
And

919
00:47:54.168 --> 00:47:57.268
I did have an opportunity to review...

920
00:47:57.308 --> 00:48:01.218
Well, I guess I'll start with, it's about a 4,400 square foot building,

921
00:48:03.108 --> 00:48:04.708
with a drive-through, and then surrounded by

922
00:48:05.568 --> 00:48:05.938
parking,

923
00:48:06.868 --> 00:48:08.008
as depicted on the site plan.

924
00:48:09.368 --> 00:48:12.988
I did have a chance to review the staff recommendations and comments.

925
00:48:14.168 --> 00:48:18.108
And many of them are pretty easy to

926
00:48:18.148 --> 00:48:20.768
address within the site plan. I did have a couple

927
00:48:21.688 --> 00:48:25.388
questions regarding some of the more substantive changes that the

928
00:48:26.048 --> 00:48:29.888
staff requests, and we'll take the lead from the commission on whether the

929
00:48:31.188 --> 00:48:34.658
planning commissioner prefers that we submit a new application or whether this

930
00:48:34.668 --> 00:48:37.188
could be addressed administratively after the fact with a submission.

931
00:48:37.208 --> 00:48:38.058
But,

932
00:48:39.508 --> 00:48:43.408
mostly, I think the staff recommendations call

933
00:48:43.448 --> 00:48:44.768
for elimination of

934
00:48:45.568 --> 00:48:46.868
the parking

935
00:48:48.028 --> 00:48:51.638
both along the northern side of the property, the western side of the property, and

936
00:48:51.668 --> 00:48:52.528
then immediately right

937
00:48:53.708 --> 00:48:55.278
in front of the building, on the western side of the building,

938
00:48:56.368 --> 00:48:59.458
to allow for a 30-foot basically escape lane

939
00:49:00.248 --> 00:49:02.248
around the drive-through there.

940
00:49:03.668 --> 00:49:06.808
And so, I think we'd like to preserve some of that parking.

941
00:49:07.908 --> 00:49:11.600
We can eliminate some of it. We'd like to prever-preserve some of it just obviously

942
00:49:11.640 --> 00:49:15.520
for traffic, but then also in the event this location is used

943
00:49:15.560 --> 00:49:15.980
for

944
00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:20.880
something else in the future if the establishment doesn't succeed financially.

945
00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:23.560
So

946
00:49:24.560 --> 00:49:28.020
my question really is, are we able to,

947
00:49:28.080 --> 00:49:29.480
administratively after the fact,

948
00:49:31.060 --> 00:49:33.400
remove that barrier along the

949
00:49:37.020 --> 00:49:39.380
drive-through there to allow for that

950
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:42.680
30-foot escape

951
00:49:42.740 --> 00:49:45.440
lane along the lane for the drive-through?

952
00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:49.260
But other than that, I'll answer any of the commission's

953
00:49:49.300 --> 00:49:49.660
questions.

954
00:49:51.129 --> 00:49:52.570
Thank you, sir. Correspondence?

955
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.930
Correspondence. Taxas current building.

956
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:02.240
Building requires building permit, plan review

957
00:50:02.300 --> 00:50:05.060
application for proposed scope of work, engineering.

958
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:09.260
Preliminary review of this site yielded the following comments from the engineering

959
00:50:09.320 --> 00:50:13.090
division. Number one, show and identify the location of all existing and

960
00:50:13.160 --> 00:50:16.420
proposed underground utilities in the vicinity of the project, including their

961
00:50:16.460 --> 00:50:20.020
sizes and connection. Number two, show how you intend to drain the

962
00:50:20.060 --> 00:50:23.260
parcel. Number three, site shall comply with current City of

963
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.950
Warren Storm Water Ordinance. Detention and

964
00:50:27.020 --> 00:50:30.380
pre-treatment shall be required. Provide a stormwater narrative.

965
00:50:30.940 --> 00:50:34.780
Four, 30-foot ROW dedication shall be required and

966
00:50:34.820 --> 00:50:35.740
formally recorded.

967
00:50:36.680 --> 00:50:40.440
Number five, the outside perimeter of all paved and parking spaces shall be

968
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:43.080
minimum six-inch concrete curb and gutter.

969
00:50:43.540 --> 00:50:46.960
Number six, provide accurate dimensions on engineering scale.

970
00:50:47.220 --> 00:50:50.440
Number seven, dumpster pad shall be minimum eight-inch concrete.

971
00:50:51.020 --> 00:50:54.560
AT&T. AT&T does not object to the proposed facility.

972
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:58.080
We do have facilities across the property, but we do not

973
00:50:58.680 --> 00:51:02.320
expect them to be affected, including major lines feeding the

974
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.920
adjacent cell site. Please advise the petitioner to

975
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:09.340
contact us as soon as possible if any conflicts arise.

976
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.330
Comcast. We have no conflicts with this proposal, but we have aerial and

977
00:51:14.380 --> 00:51:17.080
underground facilities in the area. DTE.

978
00:51:17.500 --> 00:51:20.840
DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for new marijuana

979
00:51:21.600 --> 00:51:25.080
retail facility. DTE has no objection to this request

980
00:51:25.120 --> 00:51:28.990
impacting 26620 Dequindre Road, Section 20, per the

981
00:51:29.040 --> 00:51:29.440
site plan.

982
00:51:31.240 --> 00:51:35.120
However, the applicant should contact DTE new business group

983
00:51:35.140 --> 00:51:38.860
at 1-800-338-0178

984
00:51:38.900 --> 00:51:42.500
before construction starts to create a work order to be

985
00:51:42.540 --> 00:51:46.480
assigned to a DTE planner to assist with the planning process.

986
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.440
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at

987
00:51:51.180 --> 00:51:54.540
586-783-1978.

988
00:51:55.620 --> 00:51:58.789
MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works Office,

989
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.560
MCPWO, has reviewed the site plan for the project referenced

990
00:52:02.620 --> 00:52:06.550
above and has determined this site is under the jurisdiction

991
00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:10.340
of MCPWO. This project is impacting and/or

992
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:14.110
discharging to a county asset, including one or more of the following:

993
00:52:14.570 --> 00:52:17.890
a county drain, county road right away, or other.

994
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.760
See Table 1.1 in the MCPWO's Procedures and

995
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:24.949
Design Standards Manual for Stormwater Management,

996
00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:29.240
revised on March 1st, 2024, for further explanation.

997
00:52:30.460 --> 00:52:34.180
Any site disturbance over one acre will require the proposed site to

998
00:52:34.240 --> 00:52:37.990
conform with the MCPWO's Procedure and

999
00:52:38.060 --> 00:52:41.320
Design Standards Manual for Stormwater Management,

1000
00:52:41.680 --> 00:52:44.020
revised March 1st, 2024.

1001
00:52:45.020 --> 00:52:48.580
Review Section 5 for stormwater detention and drain

1002
00:52:48.720 --> 00:52:52.140
easement requirements prior to the site plan approval.

1003
00:52:52.220 --> 00:52:55.720
It is highly recommended that the design consultant and land

1004
00:52:55.780 --> 00:52:59.680
owner schedule an engineering meeting with this office

1005
00:52:59.720 --> 00:53:03.620
to discuss how our standards may apply by contacting

1006
00:53:03.680 --> 00:53:05.120
Heather Morin at

1007
00:53:05.130 --> 00:53:08.410
heather.morin@macombgov.org

1008
00:53:09.040 --> 00:53:09.560
or

1009
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:13.690
586-307-8280. Thank

1010
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:13.860
you.

1011
00:53:14.200 --> 00:53:16.600
Thank you, Madam Secretary. Planning department's recommendation.

1012
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.420
Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation , excuse me, is as

1013
00:53:32.520 --> 00:53:33.360
follows. It is

1014
00:53:34.220 --> 00:53:38.120
recommended that the site plan for new marijuana adult use

1015
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:39.670
retail establishment

1016
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.410
be approved with the standard conditions of the planning commission,

1017
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:48.340
and more specifically, number one, five copies of revised

1018
00:53:48.580 --> 00:53:51.620
site plans shall be submitted indicating the following.

1019
00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.500
A, add the existing two communication towers

1020
00:53:56.680 --> 00:54:00.560
and facilities as well as the access

1021
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.360
easement to the site plan and to the site chart.

1022
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:09.040
Include the access easement description on the plan.

1023
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:10.860
1B,

1024
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:14.280
add proposed height

1025
00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:17.300
of the new building to the site plan.

1026
00:54:18.060 --> 00:54:18.520
1C,

1027
00:54:19.620 --> 00:54:23.270
a note shall be provided stating all outdoor retail sales of

1028
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:26.000
items shall be prohibited on the site.

1029
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:27.280
1D,

1030
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:31.880
location. The location of the order board shall be

1031
00:54:31.940 --> 00:54:35.480
indicated on the plan. 1E, the

1032
00:54:35.520 --> 00:54:39.490
five-foot wide, six-inch high concrete barrier

1033
00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:44.280
that separates the drive-through lane from a two-way

1034
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:47.400
maneuvering lane shall have the following

1035
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:50.480
modifications. And number one, an escape

1036
00:54:50.540 --> 00:54:54.140
lane shall be provided in the corner

1037
00:54:54.420 --> 00:54:58.380
turn area of the barrier for those persons who change their

1038
00:54:58.420 --> 00:54:59.720
minds about an order.

1039
00:55:00.540 --> 00:55:04.340
And number two, the barrier shall have a raised

1040
00:55:04.460 --> 00:55:08.120
six-inch concrete curb line along

1041
00:55:08.160 --> 00:55:11.940
its entire perimeter. Not a slab,

1042
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:15.720
but a curb along the entire

1043
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.664
perimeter.The area in the middle shall be

1044
00:55:19.724 --> 00:55:23.614
landscaped with shrubs to be maintained no higher than two

1045
00:55:23.784 --> 00:55:24.084
feet.

1046
00:55:28.144 --> 00:55:30.244
1F, a note shall be provided

1047
00:55:31.844 --> 00:55:35.694
stating open storage of materials shall not be permitted on

1048
00:55:35.724 --> 00:55:36.224
the site.

1049
00:55:37.724 --> 00:55:41.024
1G, in areas where concrete curbing

1050
00:55:41.644 --> 00:55:45.304
is proposed around the parking lot, the parking bumper

1051
00:55:45.404 --> 00:55:47.564
curbs shall be removed.

1052
00:55:48.564 --> 00:55:52.454
1H, provide the following changes to the parking and

1053
00:55:52.524 --> 00:55:54.884
maneuvering lanes on the site.

1054
00:55:55.964 --> 00:55:59.064
Number one, the planning staff recommends that the west

1055
00:55:59.304 --> 00:56:03.064
11 parking spaces in the front setback

1056
00:56:03.164 --> 00:56:04.664
along Dequindre Road

1057
00:56:05.844 --> 00:56:09.804
are eliminated, and that the area be redesigned as a

1058
00:56:09.904 --> 00:56:10.864
landscape area

1059
00:56:11.684 --> 00:56:14.924
approximately 25 feet wide in width,

1060
00:56:16.224 --> 00:56:20.164
with a 30-foot wide maneuvering lane abutting

1061
00:56:20.244 --> 00:56:22.343
along the east edge,

1062
00:56:23.284 --> 00:56:23.744
as you can

1063
00:56:24.764 --> 00:56:27.304
see there on the picture

1064
00:56:28.164 --> 00:56:29.024
of the site plan.

1065
00:56:30.744 --> 00:56:34.644
Number two, all of the parking spaces along the north

1066
00:56:34.744 --> 00:56:38.484
property line shall be removed. The 30-foot wide maneuvering

1067
00:56:38.564 --> 00:56:40.064
lane will abut

1068
00:56:41.044 --> 00:56:44.304
the five-foot wide barrier along its

1069
00:56:44.364 --> 00:56:47.884
entirety. And on there you can see the little green

1070
00:56:48.124 --> 00:56:52.104
dots showing the shrubbery line, but that's also where that

1071
00:56:52.124 --> 00:56:54.324
barrier is for the drive-through.

1072
00:56:58.164 --> 00:57:01.744
Let's see. Number three, the area along the north line shall be

1073
00:57:01.784 --> 00:57:04.304
approximately 12 feet in width

1074
00:57:05.324 --> 00:57:08.804
and follow the north edge of the 30-foot wide

1075
00:57:08.964 --> 00:57:12.384
maneuvering lane. This area shall be landscaped.

1076
00:57:12.984 --> 00:57:15.434
Number four, the double banked parking area

1077
00:57:16.384 --> 00:57:18.124
east of the building shall,

1078
00:57:19.044 --> 00:57:19.964
as a system,

1079
00:57:21.824 --> 00:57:24.944
be relocated nine to 10 feet.

1080
00:57:26.924 --> 00:57:28.364
Be relocated east.

1081
00:57:29.164 --> 00:57:29.984
I used the phone.

1082
00:57:30.924 --> 00:57:31.804
Nine to 10 feet.

1083
00:57:33.084 --> 00:57:34.824
Remove the bumper curbs in the middle.

1084
00:57:35.884 --> 00:57:36.804
Number five.

1085
00:57:37.624 --> 00:57:41.104
Okay, that's the maneuvering

1086
00:57:42.924 --> 00:57:44.584
lane to the east of the system

1087
00:57:45.384 --> 00:57:48.414
in number four above shall be reduced

1088
00:57:49.584 --> 00:57:50.204
from 40

1089
00:57:51.484 --> 00:57:55.124
feet seven inches to 30 or 31 feet in

1090
00:57:55.204 --> 00:57:55.524
width.

1091
00:57:56.924 --> 00:58:00.704
Number six, the front setback line of 25 feet

1092
00:58:00.784 --> 00:58:01.684
shall be carried

1093
00:58:02.604 --> 00:58:06.603
through to the south side of the driveway to

1094
00:58:06.764 --> 00:58:10.084
Dequindre Road, eliminating one parking space

1095
00:58:10.784 --> 00:58:12.564
and replacing it with landscaping.

1096
00:58:12.664 --> 00:58:14.264
That's in the far corner

1097
00:58:15.524 --> 00:58:17.284
as you're looking right there. Thank you.

1098
00:58:18.504 --> 00:58:22.314
And number seven, the corner area in the southwest corner of the building,

1099
00:58:23.104 --> 00:58:26.844
okay, that green pie-shaped piece, just

1100
00:58:26.904 --> 00:58:30.864
simply should be landscaped and be provided with

1101
00:58:30.904 --> 00:58:31.664
landscaping.

1102
00:58:32.904 --> 00:58:36.764
Okay. 1I, the site data chart indicates

1103
00:58:37.524 --> 00:58:41.064
86 parking spaces, including four

1104
00:58:41.184 --> 00:58:44.324
accessible. However, the plan shows

1105
00:58:44.444 --> 00:58:46.853
101 parking spaces.

1106
00:58:47.784 --> 00:58:50.784
With the redesign suggested by the planning staff,

1107
00:58:51.604 --> 00:58:55.424
32 parking spaces would be eliminated.

1108
00:58:55.444 --> 00:58:58.964
However, 69 parking spaces would remain,

1109
00:58:59.584 --> 00:59:01.544
including four accessible.

1110
00:59:03.504 --> 00:59:04.284
1J,

1111
00:59:05.304 --> 00:59:09.224
the concrete base of a light pole

1112
00:59:09.324 --> 00:59:12.784
located on the north property line, approximately

1113
00:59:12.964 --> 00:59:16.504
82 feet from the west property line, shall be removed and noted

1114
00:59:17.144 --> 00:59:18.124
on the site plan.

1115
00:59:19.124 --> 00:59:23.084
1K, as part of the parking lot redesign, the planning staff

1116
00:59:23.124 --> 00:59:25.814
recommends the curbing and landscaping

1117
00:59:26.824 --> 00:59:30.024
to be extended into the southwest corner of the

1118
00:59:30.044 --> 00:59:32.364
property in the area of the driveway.

1119
00:59:34.804 --> 00:59:38.344
1L, a note shall be provided stating

1120
00:59:39.044 --> 00:59:42.544
the four-foot high fencing located along the west

1121
00:59:42.744 --> 00:59:46.224
property line shall be removed. The west

1122
00:59:46.444 --> 00:59:50.204
50 feet of the chain link fence along the south

1123
00:59:50.324 --> 00:59:51.084
property line

1124
00:59:51.884 --> 00:59:52.804
shall be removed.

1125
00:59:55.484 --> 00:59:59.444
1M, a trash enclosure with walls, bollards, and a

1126
00:59:59.544 --> 01:00:02.904
concrete base exists along the north property

1127
01:00:03.004 --> 01:00:05.244
line next to the communication

1128
01:00:06.944 --> 01:00:08.124
facility fence.

1129
01:00:09.524 --> 01:00:10.244
The enclosure

1130
01:00:12.204 --> 01:00:16.004
shall be removed because the petitioner is proposing a

1131
01:00:16.084 --> 01:00:19.844
new trash enclosure near the southeast corner of the parcel.

1132
01:00:21.044 --> 01:00:24.744
The petitioner may consider repairing and

1133
01:00:24.784 --> 01:00:26.544
reusing the existing

1134
01:00:28.604 --> 01:00:29.504
trash enclosure,

1135
01:00:30.844 --> 01:00:33.584
and indicating it on the site plan.

1136
01:00:34.384 --> 01:00:37.804
Condition number two, two copies of revised landscape

1137
01:00:37.904 --> 01:00:41.004
plans shall be submitted indicating the following,

1138
01:00:42.524 --> 01:00:46.144
and that is, additional landscaping shall be provided in the following

1139
01:00:46.264 --> 01:00:50.204
areas: A, along the north property line,

1140
01:00:51.144 --> 01:00:54.544
B, in the middle of the concrete curbed

1141
01:00:54.724 --> 01:00:57.044
drive-through area or barrier,

1142
01:00:57.924 --> 01:01:01.584
and two, C, in the area southwest of the

1143
01:01:01.624 --> 01:01:02.984
southeast corner of the building.

1144
01:01:04.244 --> 01:01:08.224
Condition number three, the following variance may need to be

1145
01:01:08.284 --> 01:01:12.194
obtained from the Zoning Board of Appeals prior to the release of the

1146
01:01:12.264 --> 01:01:15.884
site plan to the building division, and that is to hard

1147
01:01:15.964 --> 01:01:16.464
surface

1148
01:01:17.684 --> 01:01:21.064
25 feet from the west front property line.

1149
01:01:21.084 --> 01:01:24.992
That's Dequindre RoadThat's supposed to be a

1150
01:01:25.052 --> 01:01:27.252
minimum front setback of 50 feet.

1151
01:01:28.752 --> 01:01:32.472
And so, if approved, the variance shall be

1152
01:01:32.512 --> 01:01:36.332
added to the revised site plan. And

1153
01:01:36.372 --> 01:01:39.752
number four, a performance bond in the amount of

1154
01:01:39.762 --> 01:01:43.472
$84,000 be posted according to the estimated

1155
01:01:43.542 --> 01:01:47.252
cost of $2,800,000

1156
01:01:47.312 --> 01:01:49.332
by the petitioner. So with that, Mr.

1157
01:01:51.552 --> 01:01:53.792
Chair, the recommendation is submitted.

1158
01:01:54.352 --> 01:01:55.051
Thank you, Mr. Ward.

1159
01:01:55.231 --> 01:01:55.592
Thank you.

1160
01:01:56.792 --> 01:01:59.612
This is a public hearing. If anybody would like to speak on this item, please come

1161
01:01:59.652 --> 01:02:02.532
up, state your name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to

1162
01:02:02.592 --> 01:02:13.552
speak.

1163
01:02:13.692 --> 01:02:15.252
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission.

1164
01:02:20.892 --> 01:02:24.632
Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve this with discussion.

1165
01:02:28.272 --> 01:02:29.282
A lot of discussion.

1166
01:02:31.672 --> 01:02:32.532
Support Beneke.

1167
01:02:33.452 --> 01:02:37.292
There's a motion by Commissioner Ducey, supported by Commissioner Beneke.

1168
01:02:37.392 --> 01:02:37.802
Discussion?

1169
01:02:38.952 --> 01:02:40.272
Mr. Chairman,

1170
01:02:41.192 --> 01:02:42.272
a couple of things.

1171
01:02:43.652 --> 01:02:44.622
Where's the petitioner?

1172
01:02:45.722 --> 01:02:48.212
He's hiding behind the council person.

1173
01:02:50.492 --> 01:02:54.132
Do you understand all the requirements that have been laid out,

1174
01:02:54.152 --> 01:02:55.522
first of all?

1175
01:02:55.612 --> 01:02:55.912
Yes.

1176
01:02:57.352 --> 01:02:57.732
Okay.

1177
01:03:01.212 --> 01:03:03.432
My fellow commissioner, Heidi,

1178
01:03:04.312 --> 01:03:08.112
and I were looking at the lines that are right over

1179
01:03:09.612 --> 01:03:09.952
your

1180
01:03:11.512 --> 01:03:12.772
drive-through, if you will.

1181
01:03:13.772 --> 01:03:15.812
Are you moving all those lines?

1182
01:03:17.132 --> 01:03:20.852
Because if you look up, there's no way in the world you can put much of

1183
01:03:20.912 --> 01:03:21.872
anything past there.

1184
01:03:22.712 --> 01:03:26.672
You're going to have to move a whole bunch of lines that are along the north

1185
01:03:26.752 --> 01:03:28.192
edge of your property.

1186
01:03:28.822 --> 01:03:29.742
Did you mean the power lines?

1187
01:03:29.932 --> 01:03:30.831
Yes.

1188
01:03:30.862 --> 01:03:30.862
Yeah.

1189
01:03:32.092 --> 01:03:32.632
I believe the

1190
01:03:34.072 --> 01:03:37.462
building height is reflected in the elevation plan that was

1191
01:03:37.492 --> 01:03:41.032
submitted. My understanding is that they don't conflict, but certainly, if they do

1192
01:03:41.172 --> 01:03:43.702
conflict, we'll have to address that and move them.

1193
01:03:43.712 --> 01:03:44.872
They're pretty low.

1194
01:03:45.092 --> 01:03:45.242
Are they?

1195
01:03:45.292 --> 01:03:49.172
They're hanging pretty low. I don't know the last time you took a look at it.

1196
01:03:49.552 --> 01:03:53.442
Yes, I've been to the site, but I apologize, I'm not remembering the lines.

1197
01:03:53.442 --> 01:03:55.452
Most people don't have a tendency of looking up.

1198
01:03:56.252 --> 01:03:56.492
Sure.

1199
01:03:57.892 --> 01:04:00.311
No, certainly, if it's an issue, we'll have to address it.

1200
01:04:00.472 --> 01:04:02.352
I think it is, and you will.

1201
01:04:03.332 --> 01:04:07.232
Did you buy some of the Crash Landing property, or

1202
01:04:07.412 --> 01:04:08.392
all of it, or what?

1203
01:04:09.512 --> 01:04:12.462
I don't know what the property was before we purchased it.

1204
01:04:12.472 --> 01:04:13.432
The property that was north of there.

1205
01:04:14.252 --> 01:04:15.772
No, I think this is the one parcel.

1206
01:04:17.292 --> 01:04:20.612
It's one parcel that was purchased, and then there used to be a building

1207
01:04:21.332 --> 01:04:22.992
on the lot that was raised at one point.

1208
01:04:23.312 --> 01:04:24.492
That's Crash Landing.

1209
01:04:24.592 --> 01:04:25.252
Okay.

1210
01:04:25.312 --> 01:04:26.592
That's the one I'm asking about.

1211
01:04:26.632 --> 01:04:26.932
Sure.

1212
01:04:31.152 --> 01:04:34.772
Something doesn't look right to me anyway,

1213
01:04:34.892 --> 01:04:38.772
because you have that building, and if you take a look

1214
01:04:38.832 --> 01:04:39.572
at this,

1215
01:04:42.652 --> 01:04:46.552
you're going around that building in red and

1216
01:04:46.612 --> 01:04:48.152
then you're going north of that.

1217
01:04:51.332 --> 01:04:54.792
If it's one parcel, then I'm surprised about it.

1218
01:04:54.852 --> 01:04:58.082
I believe there's currently a fence that sits, which one of the rec-

1219
01:04:58.282 --> 01:04:58.612
There is

1220
01:04:58.621 --> 01:05:02.282
... There is. One of the recommendations was to remove the fence line, but there is

1221
01:05:02.312 --> 01:05:05.672
a fence that divides those two properties currently.

1222
01:05:05.692 --> 01:05:09.592
But if you take a look at this and the other picture that you just

1223
01:05:09.632 --> 01:05:11.292
had up of the

1224
01:05:12.192 --> 01:05:12.552
print,

1225
01:05:14.492 --> 01:05:18.292
are you cutting down the building or what?

1226
01:05:20.612 --> 01:05:21.932
I'm sorry, I'm not following. Sorry.

1227
01:05:22.352 --> 01:05:24.502
The Steka building that you've got there.

1228
01:05:24.502 --> 01:05:28.032
I just want to clarify. This is the Crash Landing parcel.

1229
01:05:29.152 --> 01:05:33.032
Doesn't look like it, but it is. It was all parking

1230
01:05:33.092 --> 01:05:34.732
at one time. If you want to go on-

1231
01:05:34.812 --> 01:05:34.992
Yeah

1232
01:05:35.032 --> 01:05:38.842
... Google Earth and look at it 10 years ago, it was still there,

1233
01:05:39.072 --> 01:05:42.012
and it's the same property. Those-

1234
01:05:42.691 --> 01:05:42.972
What's the-

1235
01:05:43.022 --> 01:05:47.012
... facilities, the communication facilities, were part of the property.

1236
01:05:47.172 --> 01:05:51.152
Right. No, and I agree with that. But if

1237
01:05:51.232 --> 01:05:54.842
it's the Steka restaurant, the old Steka restaurant,

1238
01:05:56.052 --> 01:05:56.212
you're

1239
01:05:57.292 --> 01:05:58.352
going north of that.

1240
01:05:59.192 --> 01:06:03.152
No, this is the property. The Pho restaurant to

1241
01:06:03.212 --> 01:06:04.352
the north was there,

1242
01:06:05.252 --> 01:06:07.132
and there's nothing more.

1243
01:06:08.092 --> 01:06:09.052
This is the property.

1244
01:06:10.712 --> 01:06:11.122
All right, then.

1245
01:06:11.122 --> 01:06:11.792
Absolutely.

1246
01:06:12.532 --> 01:06:14.992
Then I'm somewhat confused, but okay.

1247
01:06:15.472 --> 01:06:15.772
All right.

1248
01:06:16.132 --> 01:06:18.432
We'll take it from there. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1249
01:06:18.712 --> 01:06:20.272
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak on this?

1250
01:06:20.692 --> 01:06:22.352
Just for clarification's sake.

1251
01:06:22.392 --> 01:06:22.912
Mr. Heidi.

1252
01:06:24.372 --> 01:06:27.512
We're speaking of the vacant lot then, correct?

1253
01:06:28.482 --> 01:06:31.582
The vacant lot that the Crash Landing-

1254
01:06:31.772 --> 01:06:32.352
Was on.

1255
01:06:32.632 --> 01:06:32.952
Yes.

1256
01:06:33.752 --> 01:06:36.112
Okay, so that's where it's going to be a new construction.

1257
01:06:36.432 --> 01:06:37.892
That's right. It's currently a vacant lot.

1258
01:06:37.932 --> 01:06:37.992
The-

1259
01:06:38.592 --> 01:06:38.832
Okay.

1260
01:06:38.892 --> 01:06:40.212
It's on the register.

1261
01:06:40.392 --> 01:06:41.692
Okay. Thank you.

1262
01:06:42.132 --> 01:06:45.511
So the old Steka restaurant has nothing to do with this?

1263
01:06:46.492 --> 01:06:47.992
I misunderstood what you were saying.

1264
01:06:48.012 --> 01:06:50.772
The Steka restaurant, zero to do with it.

1265
01:06:51.192 --> 01:06:53.072
Okay. That's what I thought.

1266
01:06:54.392 --> 01:06:54.552
Thank you.

1267
01:06:54.932 --> 01:06:56.342
You might not be able to see that from the screen.

1268
01:06:56.342 --> 01:06:58.552
And then I was looking at something totally different.

1269
01:06:58.652 --> 01:06:58.812
Yeah.

1270
01:06:59.092 --> 01:06:59.892
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1271
01:07:00.892 --> 01:07:03.032
Thank you, sir. Don't feel bad, I did the same thing.

1272
01:07:03.152 --> 01:07:06.992
I went over and looked at it and I said, "Oh, this building's here," and then after

1273
01:07:07.012 --> 01:07:07.802
we get the new photos-

1274
01:07:07.832 --> 01:07:11.112
I thought that building was the portion that we're looking at.

1275
01:07:11.192 --> 01:07:14.112
That's what I thought, too, but then I found out it wasn't, so.

1276
01:07:14.232 --> 01:07:16.052
All right. I just want to clarify something.

1277
01:07:16.452 --> 01:07:17.712
Initially, you had

1278
01:07:19.332 --> 01:07:21.932
some photos, I think, that you were looking at-

1279
01:07:22.292 --> 01:07:22.372
Yeah

1280
01:07:22.382 --> 01:07:26.160
... that were incorrect.And we replaced those, and we

1281
01:07:26.220 --> 01:07:27.480
sent everyone

1282
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:32.180
copies of the new site, which is the vacant site.

1283
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.080
And that's what it was. That's what it was.

1284
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:36.440
I apologize for that.

1285
01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:38.480
No, that's fine. Thank you very much.

1286
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:41.360
Thank you, sir. Anyone else like to speak on this?

1287
01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:45.440
Okay. That makes more sense.

1288
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:46.580
Good evening, sir.

1289
01:07:47.420 --> 01:07:47.660
Thank you.

1290
01:07:47.780 --> 01:07:49.980
So are you okay with all the recommendations?

1291
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:54.620
I think I addressed them in sort of my opening statement there.

1292
01:07:55.750 --> 01:07:59.100
It is a lot of parking that we'd be eliminating with the staff recommendations.

1293
01:07:59.180 --> 01:07:59.580
I believe

1294
01:08:00.740 --> 01:08:04.480
we'd be eliminating almost 30 or so parking spots.

1295
01:08:05.820 --> 01:08:06.280
And so,

1296
01:08:09.060 --> 01:08:12.300
my thought is, if it might require...

1297
01:08:12.340 --> 01:08:15.200
Because we just received this on Friday, so we haven't really had an opportunity to

1298
01:08:15.220 --> 01:08:18.580
digest it with our construction team and our project managers.

1299
01:08:18.620 --> 01:08:19.360
But

1300
01:08:20.300 --> 01:08:20.740
if we

1301
01:08:22.141 --> 01:08:24.200
do make substantive revisions

1302
01:08:25.160 --> 01:08:27.830
to the application, I suspect that would require a new application,

1303
01:08:29.400 --> 01:08:32.400
including perhaps even shifting the building back because that would allow for the

1304
01:08:32.540 --> 01:08:36.340
50-foot setback that was recommended in the staff recommendations.

1305
01:08:36.400 --> 01:08:37.221
But

1306
01:08:38.380 --> 01:08:42.280
I'm trying to think of ways that would allow us to preserve that parking

1307
01:08:42.400 --> 01:08:44.320
and create sort of that escape lane,

1308
01:08:45.681 --> 01:08:47.601
without having to eliminate some of that parking, and I'm

1309
01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:50.601
just thinking that perhaps moving that building back might

1310
01:08:51.620 --> 01:08:53.480
address a couple of those issues that are

1311
01:08:54.280 --> 01:08:55.221
in the report.

1312
01:08:56.400 --> 01:08:57.561
The other question I have is,

1313
01:08:58.960 --> 01:08:59.980
you've got a drive-through,

1314
01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:01.221
so

1315
01:09:02.080 --> 01:09:03.641
how much parking are you really going to need?

1316
01:09:03.700 --> 01:09:06.030
Because a lot of your traffic's going to be drive-through.

1317
01:09:06.080 --> 01:09:07.980
They're not going to really be parking.

1318
01:09:07.990 --> 01:09:11.940
And the people that are parking there, they're going to come in and buy supplies.

1319
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.940
Is that what that is, or?

1320
01:09:13.980 --> 01:09:15.920
Correct. It's going to be sort of dual service.

1321
01:09:15.980 --> 01:09:19.971
It is 4,400 square feet, the building, so there will be a lot of traffic in

1322
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:20.250
and out,

1323
01:09:21.260 --> 01:09:22.920
in addition to the drive-through.

1324
01:09:23.500 --> 01:09:24.980
So it's not a small building,

1325
01:09:26.980 --> 01:09:30.740
and there will be an in-store service component.

1326
01:09:30.780 --> 01:09:33.749
So people will be coming in and browsing and seeing what they want to get, and-

1327
01:09:33.749 --> 01:09:35.021
That's correct. Yep

1328
01:09:35.400 --> 01:09:36.610
... what are your hours of operation?

1329
01:09:37.561 --> 01:09:40.300
We'll, of course, comply with any city ordinance.

1330
01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:42.681
Our other locations close,

1331
01:09:43.601 --> 01:09:47.360
depending on which municipality, but they close 9 or 10:00 PM.

1332
01:09:48.181 --> 01:09:51.760
But we'll comply with whatever the city ordinances are with respect to hours of

1333
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:52.280
operation.

1334
01:09:53.101 --> 01:09:53.340
All right.

1335
01:09:55.540 --> 01:09:56.980
Thank you, sir. Does anyone else have anything?

1336
01:09:59.240 --> 01:10:03.140
Seeing none, that was a motion by Commissioner Duza, supported by Commissioner

1337
01:10:03.200 --> 01:10:04.080
Binecki. Roll call.

1338
01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:07.220
Commissioner Duza?

1339
01:10:07.540 --> 01:10:09.040
Yes, to approve.

1340
01:10:09.880 --> 01:10:10.860
Commissioner Binecki?

1341
01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:12.000
Yes, to approve.

1342
01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:12.640
Commissioner Ansir?

1343
01:10:13.100 --> 01:10:13.720
Yes, to approve.

1344
01:10:14.370 --> 01:10:14.940
Commissioner Hady?

1345
01:10:15.560 --> 01:10:16.280
Yes, to approve.

1346
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:17.320
Commissioner Halawati?

1347
01:10:17.820 --> 01:10:18.580
Yes, to approve.

1348
01:10:19.140 --> 01:10:19.800
Commissioner Hawk?

1349
01:10:20.120 --> 01:10:20.740
Yes, to approve.

1350
01:10:21.620 --> 01:10:23.240
Commissioner Moribot, yes. Commissioner Smith?

1351
01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:25.320
Yes to approve. Good luck with the project, sir.

1352
01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:25.800
Thank you.

1353
01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:29.490
And if you've got any issues, you can always work them out with the planning

1354
01:10:29.540 --> 01:10:30.980
commission and see.

1355
01:10:31.020 --> 01:10:34.610
Thank you. And if we do want to redo it, we'll submit a new application and-

1356
01:10:34.780 --> 01:10:37.380
Well, you may not have to. You talk to the planning department-

1357
01:10:37.460 --> 01:10:37.990
That would save me a lot of time

1358
01:10:37.990 --> 01:10:39.260
... and be able to work something out.

1359
01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:40.060
Okay. Thank you.

1360
01:10:40.140 --> 01:10:42.220
All right. Thank you, sir. Have a good evening. Good luck with your project.

1361
01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:44.620
Item number 6C.

1362
01:10:45.260 --> 01:10:48.700
Item number 6C, site plan for open storage of commercial vehicles

1363
01:10:49.020 --> 01:10:51.940
located on the south side of 14 Mile Road,

1364
01:10:51.990 --> 01:10:55.570
approximately 1,250.4 feet

1365
01:10:55.820 --> 01:10:59.620
east of Mount Road, 650014 Mile Road,

1366
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:03.260
Section 4, IN Quint and 14 Mac

1367
01:11:03.440 --> 01:11:07.360
LP, Delin Shabo, and AA Parking,

1368
01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:10.220
PSP 260021. Thank you.

1369
01:11:10.760 --> 01:11:12.780
Thanks, Madam Secretary. Is the petitioner here this evening?

1370
01:11:13.660 --> 01:11:13.820
Yeah.

1371
01:11:19.860 --> 01:11:20.420
Good evening, sir.

1372
01:11:20.780 --> 01:11:23.360
My name is Jeffrey Graham. I'm the project architect.

1373
01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:27.320
I'm with Kevteq and Associates. This is the owner of

1374
01:11:27.400 --> 01:11:30.800
the business leasing this area,

1375
01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:36.430
Dylan Shambo. And I just want to start off with

1376
01:11:36.430 --> 01:11:39.640
a little bit of history. This used to be, I believe, the Art Van building-

1377
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:39.810
Yeah

1378
01:11:39.810 --> 01:11:43.780
... warehouse, giant warehouse. And what they did, and when they first

1379
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:44.680
built this property,

1380
01:11:45.900 --> 01:11:49.820
that use has never changed. It's always been a truck

1381
01:11:50.940 --> 01:11:54.720
storage area or parking area, and that's where Art Van kept all their

1382
01:11:54.730 --> 01:11:55.110
trucks.

1383
01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:58.840
When Art Van went out of business, somebody bought the

1384
01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:01.910
property. That person then divided up...

1385
01:12:02.120 --> 01:12:05.220
Nobody had any need for that big of a building,

1386
01:12:05.860 --> 01:12:09.680
so the landlord broke up the building into

1387
01:12:09.740 --> 01:12:13.320
four or five businesses. Nobody wanted the parking of the

1388
01:12:13.460 --> 01:12:15.600
trucks, so he leased that out separate,

1389
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:17.960
and that's where my client came in.

1390
01:12:18.090 --> 01:12:20.600
And so it's always been a truck place.

1391
01:12:20.780 --> 01:12:23.340
And then there's a piece of land directly,

1392
01:12:24.260 --> 01:12:26.420
the green area right there, which is on the property.

1393
01:12:27.090 --> 01:12:30.500
They never developed that for the parking because that's a

1394
01:12:30.600 --> 01:12:34.020
giant, 20-foot-tall berm that

1395
01:12:34.080 --> 01:12:37.960
separates the truck parking lot from the park next

1396
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:38.360
door.

1397
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:38.740
Right.

1398
01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:43.650
So, what we're asking is that we continue the use of it, that it's

1399
01:12:43.700 --> 01:12:45.400
always been used for, which is trucking.

1400
01:12:46.080 --> 01:12:49.500
We've met with the planning department, and they came up with some

1401
01:12:49.540 --> 01:12:51.980
recommendations. We have on site...

1402
01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:56.480
And as you know, it's gravel. Gravel is what you use for trucks,

1403
01:12:56.580 --> 01:12:59.480
big trucks, because big trucks will

1404
01:12:59.540 --> 01:13:01.399
destroy asphalt.

1405
01:13:02.660 --> 01:13:05.340
But as far as gravel goes, every six months, you bring out

1406
01:13:06.300 --> 01:13:10.060
a bulldozer, and you smooth out all the ruts, and you

1407
01:13:10.120 --> 01:13:12.760
start off from fresh. So that's why gravel is

1408
01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:18.940
almost used exclusively for large truck parking like this or

1409
01:13:19.460 --> 01:13:20.400
truck maneuvering.

1410
01:13:21.820 --> 01:13:22.460
What we have, the

1411
01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:27.166
one structure that we're putting on there is a-Mobile

1412
01:13:27.796 --> 01:13:28.176
office.

1413
01:13:31.276 --> 01:13:33.836
What they want us to do is put a footing underneath it,

1414
01:13:34.636 --> 01:13:36.696
which is fine. We have no problem with that.

1415
01:13:36.716 --> 01:13:39.316
And then there's also some trash dumpsters on the side.

1416
01:13:39.676 --> 01:13:43.436
Now, keep in mind, this is behind a huge industrial building, and it's hidden.

1417
01:13:43.736 --> 01:13:47.556
It's completely surrounded by industry or

1418
01:13:48.016 --> 01:13:48.556
a berm-

1419
01:13:49.076 --> 01:13:49.216
Right

1420
01:13:49.436 --> 01:13:52.426
... or a park. It's the skate park

1421
01:13:52.836 --> 01:13:54.676
to the other side of it.

1422
01:13:55.716 --> 01:13:56.156
So,

1423
01:13:57.276 --> 01:14:00.496
what we'd like to do is just maintain what we have right there, and we'd be more

1424
01:14:00.516 --> 01:14:02.796
than happy to add the footings to the

1425
01:14:04.756 --> 01:14:08.526
office trailer, because they want security guard in there over the weekends,

1426
01:14:08.616 --> 01:14:12.496
that kind of thing, and then also put two dumpster

1427
01:14:12.536 --> 01:14:14.396
enclosures for each dumpster.

1428
01:14:15.456 --> 01:14:17.316
All right. Thank you, sir. Correspondence?

1429
01:14:17.736 --> 01:14:21.176
Correspondence. Taxes, current. Building. Building has no issues.

1430
01:14:21.316 --> 01:14:24.756
Engineering. Preliminary review of this site yielded no comments from the

1431
01:14:24.796 --> 01:14:28.006
engineering division. Police. The Warren Police Department has reviewed the

1432
01:14:28.496 --> 01:14:32.216
submitted site plan and does not foresee any issues at this time. AT&T.

1433
01:14:32.696 --> 01:14:36.536
AT&T does not object to this proposal for open storage. Comcast.

1434
01:14:36.676 --> 01:14:40.236
We have aerial and underground facilities in the area, but we have no

1435
01:14:40.276 --> 01:14:41.556
conflicts with the proposal.

1436
01:14:43.576 --> 01:14:47.516
DTE. DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for open storage of

1437
01:14:47.536 --> 01:14:51.156
commercial vehicles. DTE has no objection to this request

1438
01:14:51.196 --> 01:14:55.096
impacting 6500 14 Mile Road, Section 4, per

1439
01:14:55.116 --> 01:14:58.606
the site plan provided. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to

1440
01:14:58.636 --> 01:15:02.336
contact me at 586-783-1978.

1441
01:15:02.916 --> 01:15:06.816
MCDR. Macomb County Department of Roads, MCDR, has received

1442
01:15:06.876 --> 01:15:10.275
and reviewed the enclosed preliminary plan for the above-mentioned site.

1443
01:15:11.216 --> 01:15:15.086
MCDR has no objection to proposed development at the above-mentioned

1444
01:15:15.136 --> 01:15:17.216
site. If you have any questions, please feel

1445
01:15:18.196 --> 01:15:19.656
free to contact me at

1446
01:15:19.876 --> 01:15:22.516
586-463-8671.

1447
01:15:23.136 --> 01:15:26.256
MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works Office,

1448
01:15:26.396 --> 01:15:30.316
MCPWO, has reviewed the site plan for the project referenced above

1449
01:15:30.616 --> 01:15:34.016
and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less than one acre

1450
01:15:34.556 --> 01:15:37.316
and will not require stormwater review from this office.

1451
01:15:37.736 --> 01:15:41.036
If a no objection letter is required, please forward your request to

1452
01:15:41.076 --> 01:15:45.006
wesley.jonick@macombgov.org. Prior to construction,

1453
01:15:45.356 --> 01:15:48.256
a soil erosion permit may be required from this office.

1454
01:15:48.696 --> 01:15:50.896
Contact our soil erosion department at

1455
01:15:51.536 --> 01:15:55.376
586-469-5327 for

1456
01:15:55.386 --> 01:15:56.976
more information regarding same.

1457
01:15:58.176 --> 01:16:01.996
We also have an attached residential correspondence that I'll also go ahead and

1458
01:16:02.036 --> 01:16:05.556
read. This was sent from Jacob Superior

1459
01:16:05.566 --> 01:16:07.956
on May 11, 2026.

1460
01:16:09.636 --> 01:16:13.425
"Dear Planning Commission members,

1461
01:16:13.776 --> 01:16:17.076
as the owner and property manager of Warren Village Apartment at

1462
01:16:17.376 --> 01:16:20.816
6380 East 14 Mile Road, we are stewards

1463
01:16:21.576 --> 01:16:25.096
of a community of 48 one and two-bedroom

1464
01:16:25.356 --> 01:16:27.976
homes located just to the west of the proposed site.

1465
01:16:28.656 --> 01:16:32.516
On behalf of our residents, we submitted this letter to share how the adjacent site

1466
01:16:32.576 --> 01:16:33.576
affects our residents.

1467
01:16:34.596 --> 01:16:37.576
Our buildings have been here since 1989.

1468
01:16:37.996 --> 01:16:41.876
While our residents accepted the industrial activity is part of this

1469
01:16:41.936 --> 01:16:45.576
neighborhood, the formal addition of open commercial vehicle storage,

1470
01:16:45.876 --> 01:16:48.956
in addition to other current unapproved uses

1471
01:16:49.416 --> 01:16:53.276
immediately adjacent to the residential boundary, represents a

1472
01:16:53.396 --> 01:16:57.116
meaningful infestation of use that deserves

1473
01:16:57.176 --> 01:16:59.016
careful conditioning by the commission.

1474
01:16:59.656 --> 01:17:03.566
Our residents have already been affected by a noticeable change in

1475
01:17:03.596 --> 01:17:06.736
truck traffic on the subject property.

1476
01:17:06.746 --> 01:17:09.936
Trucks have been routinely using the western entrance of

1477
01:17:10.296 --> 01:17:14.265
6500 East 14 Mile Road, which runs directly along our

1478
01:17:14.276 --> 01:17:17.236
shared property line, instead of the main entrance.

1479
01:17:17.256 --> 01:17:21.116
The current site plan includes a gatehouse intended to prevent truck

1480
01:17:21.196 --> 01:17:22.846
traffic from using this entrance.

1481
01:17:23.456 --> 01:17:26.436
However, the gatehouse has been disengaged.

1482
01:17:26.996 --> 01:17:30.836
The route that trucks use was site planned and constructed as a

1483
01:17:30.876 --> 01:17:31.456
parking lot.

1484
01:17:33.896 --> 01:17:37.756
This western entrance was not designed as a primary truck access

1485
01:17:37.796 --> 01:17:41.736
point under the previously approved site plan, and the current pattern

1486
01:17:41.796 --> 01:17:45.496
of use was neither anticipated nor mitigated in the

1487
01:17:45.536 --> 01:17:46.296
original planning.

1488
01:17:47.336 --> 01:17:51.056
We respectfully urge the commission to require the applicant

1489
01:17:51.196 --> 01:17:54.976
under any site plan amendment to address these concerns by

1490
01:17:55.056 --> 01:17:58.176
constructing buffers and/or use restrictions.

1491
01:17:58.856 --> 01:18:02.336
Should staff or the applicant wish to discuss the matter

1492
01:18:02.396 --> 01:18:06.136
directly, we welcome the opportunity to collaborate on a solution

1493
01:18:06.396 --> 01:18:10.176
that serves all parties. Thank you for your time and consideration.

1494
01:18:10.236 --> 01:18:14.176
Sincerely, Jacob Shapirio, Event Home Management Company

1495
01:18:14.256 --> 01:18:17.116
owner and property manager, Warren Village Apartments."

1496
01:18:18.016 --> 01:18:18.786
And for the berm-

1497
01:18:18.836 --> 01:18:19.596
That's it. Thank you.

1498
01:18:20.116 --> 01:18:22.836
Thank you, Madam Secretary. Planning department's recommendation?

1499
01:18:23.136 --> 01:18:23.316
Mm-hmm.

1500
01:18:34.036 --> 01:18:34.916
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1501
01:18:36.436 --> 01:18:38.216
The recommendation is as follows.

1502
01:18:38.276 --> 01:18:42.056
It is recommended that the site plan for open storage

1503
01:18:42.216 --> 01:18:46.016
of commercial vehicles be approved with the standard conditions

1504
01:18:46.776 --> 01:18:50.436
of the Planning Commission, and more specifically, number 1, five

1505
01:18:50.496 --> 01:18:54.176
copies of revised site plans shall be submitted indicating the

1506
01:18:54.256 --> 01:18:54.836
following.

1507
01:18:55.736 --> 01:18:59.436
A, plans ASP.1,

1508
01:19:00.056 --> 01:19:04.016
overall site plan, and ASP.2,

1509
01:19:04.036 --> 01:19:05.576
enlarged site plan,

1510
01:19:06.736 --> 01:19:10.396
shall be used in conjunction with the site plan for this project.

1511
01:19:11.436 --> 01:19:14.336
1B, provide the dimensions on the

1512
01:19:14.896 --> 01:19:15.956
elevation plan.

1513
01:19:17.076 --> 01:19:20.976
Condition number 2, the following variances may need to

1514
01:19:21.016 --> 01:19:24.736
be obtained from the Zoning Board of Appeals prior to the

1515
01:19:24.776 --> 01:19:28.556
release of the site plan to the building divisionAnd they

1516
01:19:28.636 --> 01:19:32.276
are to, A, to construct a building five feet

1517
01:19:32.856 --> 01:19:36.196
from the west property line when 20 feet is

1518
01:19:36.256 --> 01:19:36.875
required.

1519
01:19:38.336 --> 01:19:40.476
To, B, to allow

1520
01:19:40.796 --> 01:19:44.656
313,659 square

1521
01:19:44.836 --> 01:19:46.656
feet of open storage area

1522
01:19:47.756 --> 01:19:51.426
on the site. And to, C, to retain the

1523
01:19:51.476 --> 01:19:52.396
gravel surface.

1524
01:19:53.376 --> 01:19:57.216
If approved, the variances shall be added to the revised

1525
01:19:57.356 --> 01:19:58.016
site plan.

1526
01:19:59.056 --> 01:20:03.016
And number three, the performance bond in the amount of $1,000 be posted.

1527
01:20:03.696 --> 01:20:06.236
So with that, Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted.

1528
01:20:07.176 --> 01:20:09.036
Thank you, Mr. Worth. This is a public hearing.

1529
01:20:09.116 --> 01:20:12.136
If anyone would like to speak on this item, please come forward, state your name

1530
01:20:12.176 --> 01:20:14.256
and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to speak.

1531
01:20:15.596 --> 01:20:17.516
Good evening. Roger Zlatov,

1532
01:20:18.336 --> 01:20:20.516
6900 East 14 Mile Road.

1533
01:20:21.756 --> 01:20:24.096
I own and operate the Warren RV Storage,

1534
01:20:25.036 --> 01:20:26.476
have for

1535
01:20:27.316 --> 01:20:30.776
almost 10 years now, in full compliance with all the

1536
01:20:30.836 --> 01:20:34.636
ordinances of the City of Warren. This

1537
01:20:34.676 --> 01:20:38.636
location has been operating for years as an outdoor

1538
01:20:38.696 --> 01:20:41.436
truck storage without proper site plan approval.

1539
01:20:42.036 --> 01:20:45.896
I brought this to the attention of the Planning Commission several years

1540
01:20:45.936 --> 01:20:49.736
ago when the owner wanted to do a lot split, and at that time,

1541
01:20:49.796 --> 01:20:53.606
that was denied. I speak in opposition to this because

1542
01:20:54.196 --> 01:20:55.416
I don't think it's fair

1543
01:20:56.256 --> 01:20:57.556
that someone can operate

1544
01:20:58.436 --> 01:21:02.136
a competitive property to my property without being in compliance with the

1545
01:21:02.176 --> 01:21:05.866
ordinance for years. Now, I certainly understand the argument

1546
01:21:06.276 --> 01:21:08.626
that maybe it's better to have them come into compliance now,

1547
01:21:10.156 --> 01:21:13.846
but I don't think the Planning Commission or any city department should

1548
01:21:13.916 --> 01:21:14.556
condone

1549
01:21:15.516 --> 01:21:19.396
properties that operate without proper approval

1550
01:21:19.496 --> 01:21:20.356
for years

1551
01:21:21.336 --> 01:21:24.676
that are a nuisance to the apartment complex,

1552
01:21:25.736 --> 01:21:26.476
and also

1553
01:21:27.396 --> 01:21:30.576
compete against my property unfairly.

1554
01:21:30.586 --> 01:21:34.056
We're all for fair competition. We welcome

1555
01:21:34.096 --> 01:21:34.716
competition,

1556
01:21:35.596 --> 01:21:39.556
and we are under strict supervision from the

1557
01:21:39.576 --> 01:21:43.316
City of Warren code enforcement all the time, and

1558
01:21:43.376 --> 01:21:46.625
that's fine. I have no problem with that, and I think if you look at our record at

1559
01:21:46.656 --> 01:21:50.396
Warren RV Storage, we don't have any code violations.

1560
01:21:51.136 --> 01:21:54.756
But that property there has been operating as an outdoor

1561
01:21:54.836 --> 01:21:58.716
storage without proper site plan approval for

1562
01:21:58.856 --> 01:22:02.796
many years, and I think it's time now for someone to take

1563
01:22:02.876 --> 01:22:05.276
a stand, and that's why I'm here to speak in opposition.

1564
01:22:05.336 --> 01:22:09.216
All I can do is ask you to think about it and say, "That is

1565
01:22:09.276 --> 01:22:13.076
not something that this city should allow." Because if you allow it for

1566
01:22:13.156 --> 01:22:17.016
some people to do it, then it sets a precedent that other people can

1567
01:22:17.096 --> 01:22:20.136
operate without the proper approvals. Thank you for your consideration.

1568
01:22:20.956 --> 01:22:22.496
Thank you, sir.

1569
01:22:23.946 --> 01:22:23.946
Sir.

1570
01:22:26.256 --> 01:22:26.436
Sure.

1571
01:22:33.276 --> 01:22:34.056
Oh, one second. Hmm?

1572
01:22:39.156 --> 01:22:40.916
Go ahead. State your name and address for the record.

1573
01:22:41.136 --> 01:22:44.896
Yes. Michael Spencer, Local 1700, 6440

1574
01:22:44.936 --> 01:22:48.636
14 Mile Road. First thing, thank you, Commissioner and the board for having me up

1575
01:22:48.676 --> 01:22:51.405
here. I was just up here a year ago in front of you guys.

1576
01:22:51.946 --> 01:22:55.366
So we are new to the neighborhood, but I'm not speaking necessarily in opposition,

1577
01:22:56.216 --> 01:22:59.976
pending the approval of this board, but I am asking for some consideration

1578
01:23:00.036 --> 01:23:01.405
as you guys consider the matter.

1579
01:23:02.616 --> 01:23:05.596
There is a couple of safety issues that I have become aware of since I've been a

1580
01:23:05.606 --> 01:23:08.056
tenant there, and we do own the property there at

1581
01:23:08.256 --> 01:23:09.616
6440.

1582
01:23:10.456 --> 01:23:12.676
There's a high volume of traffic that comes through that

1583
01:23:13.796 --> 01:23:17.776
west side of the road that goes back to the area that's been proposed, right?

1584
01:23:18.376 --> 01:23:22.036
And with that high volume of traffic, which also borders the

1585
01:23:22.056 --> 01:23:23.756
apartment complex that they are speaking of,

1586
01:23:24.776 --> 01:23:28.536
this caused quite a bit of vibration to our building, and our

1587
01:23:28.576 --> 01:23:32.236
building itself is a meeting hall that we do actually banquets for our members.

1588
01:23:32.836 --> 01:23:36.676
It creates a safety issue there. Outside of that, we have come back to

1589
01:23:36.716 --> 01:23:40.616
this board and have asked for consideration and some changes as it relates to our

1590
01:23:40.696 --> 01:23:44.316
easements and our interest for parking gates, which we're in the process of putting

1591
01:23:44.396 --> 01:23:48.176
up due to the traffic from the trucks parking on our property, which is a

1592
01:23:48.196 --> 01:23:51.096
direct conflict to what's going on towards the back.

1593
01:23:51.956 --> 01:23:55.196
So I do ask for those considerations from the

1594
01:23:55.236 --> 01:23:58.086
petitioner of this to utilize

1595
01:23:58.116 --> 01:24:01.856
the east road, which is on the barriers to the

1596
01:24:02.196 --> 01:24:05.916
railroad tracks, and the whole building itself, which is a big warehouse

1597
01:24:06.036 --> 01:24:09.576
building, for the truck traffic, which will alleviate my issue,

1598
01:24:10.016 --> 01:24:13.376
along with probably the apartment complex issue because the road is broad enough to

1599
01:24:13.396 --> 01:24:16.056
get semi-trucks down back and forth.

1600
01:24:16.076 --> 01:24:17.776
With that consideration, I beg rest.

1601
01:24:19.076 --> 01:24:19.636
Thank you, sir.

1602
01:24:19.736 --> 01:24:20.076
Thank you.

1603
01:24:26.436 --> 01:24:27.756
Anyone else like to speak on this item?

1604
01:24:31.876 --> 01:24:34.436
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission.

1605
01:24:42.836 --> 01:24:44.816
Need a motion. Wake up. Hello.

1606
01:24:45.576 --> 01:24:47.236
Motion to approve with discussion, Mori.

1607
01:24:49.036 --> 01:24:50.176
Mr. Chair, I support it.

1608
01:24:52.306 --> 01:24:52.816
Pimentel?

1609
01:24:52.896 --> 01:24:54.556
Yes. Mr. Chair, I support it.

1610
01:24:54.636 --> 01:24:54.916
Okay.

1611
01:24:55.956 --> 01:24:58.506
There's a motion by Commissioner Mori, supported by Mr. Hoke.

1612
01:24:59.456 --> 01:24:59.876
Discussion?

1613
01:25:00.436 --> 01:25:04.106
Yes, Mr. Chair. Actually, I was going to ask a question to our attorney real quick,

1614
01:25:04.216 --> 01:25:07.816
too. Can you speak a little bit more about if the

1615
01:25:08.036 --> 01:25:11.936
site plan has been in compliance with the ordinance, or just

1616
01:25:12.156 --> 01:25:13.426
a little bit more on the history of it?

1617
01:25:14.336 --> 01:25:17.246
Because I know there was some questions that was risen that they were

1618
01:25:18.336 --> 01:25:20.036
operating without following the ordinance.

1619
01:25:22.096 --> 01:25:25.786
I think this evening's item is to bring them into compliance.

1620
01:25:26.196 --> 01:25:27.686
So they have been operating? So does that mean-

1621
01:25:27.816 --> 01:25:28.316
I do not-

1622
01:25:28.346 --> 01:25:28.496
... that they are-

1623
01:25:28.516 --> 01:25:29.766
I don't know the history

1624
01:25:30.848 --> 01:25:33.608
If you're asking if it was a legal non-conforming, I'd have to look at the

1625
01:25:33.648 --> 01:25:37.358
facts. I don't recall, but it was years when this first came before

1626
01:25:37.428 --> 01:25:38.268
us.

1627
01:25:38.968 --> 01:25:38.978
Okay.

1628
01:25:38.978 --> 01:25:41.768
But I don't know if they were legally non-conforming.

1629
01:25:43.928 --> 01:25:45.128
That's what I wanted to confirm. Okay.

1630
01:25:45.488 --> 01:25:48.908
With that, I have a quick question for our petitioner, if we may have the

1631
01:25:48.928 --> 01:25:49.568
petitioner up.

1632
01:25:51.248 --> 01:25:51.528
Yeah.

1633
01:25:52.648 --> 01:25:52.808
The

1634
01:25:54.128 --> 01:25:58.008
petitioner never got compliance when he first leased the

1635
01:25:58.048 --> 01:26:00.668
property, and it's only been like what, three years?

1636
01:26:01.708 --> 01:26:04.528
Because it was already a truck

1637
01:26:05.328 --> 01:26:09.268
storage area for decades. Ever since they built

1638
01:26:09.288 --> 01:26:13.268
the property. And they were in compliance then for the

1639
01:26:13.308 --> 01:26:16.548
simple reason that the truck storage

1640
01:26:17.288 --> 01:26:19.488
lot was part of the

1641
01:26:20.828 --> 01:26:24.808
main building. And when that happens, you're allowed to have

1642
01:26:24.868 --> 01:26:26.668
open storage for less than half

1643
01:26:27.868 --> 01:26:29.987
of your square footage of your building.

1644
01:26:30.348 --> 01:26:33.268
Well, they're like one tenth of what their building was.

1645
01:26:33.728 --> 01:26:36.167
So they were in compliance when they built it.

1646
01:26:37.988 --> 01:26:39.548
Then what happened was the breakup.

1647
01:26:40.308 --> 01:26:40.388
And

1648
01:26:41.468 --> 01:26:44.108
you also keep in mind that we're not the only trucks on the site.

1649
01:26:44.548 --> 01:26:48.248
There's like four or five other industrial buildings that bring in trucks every

1650
01:26:48.328 --> 01:26:48.648
day.

1651
01:26:49.668 --> 01:26:50.968
And we would

1652
01:26:52.008 --> 01:26:52.628
be willing to

1653
01:26:53.788 --> 01:26:56.908
talk to the landlord because we have no control over the gates.

1654
01:26:57.168 --> 01:26:58.668
That's somebody else's property.

1655
01:26:59.348 --> 01:27:03.248
And we could talk to the landlord and make

1656
01:27:03.288 --> 01:27:06.108
them come through the center entrance rather than the...

1657
01:27:06.548 --> 01:27:10.478
Come through here, which a lot of the people do come through this way rather than

1658
01:27:10.548 --> 01:27:14.508
here. So, they can put speed bumps down and all

1659
01:27:14.548 --> 01:27:17.208
kinds of things to discourage the use.

1660
01:27:17.228 --> 01:27:19.548
But keep in mind that a lot of these trucks

1661
01:27:20.808 --> 01:27:22.188
are parked over the weekend,

1662
01:27:23.068 --> 01:27:26.588
and they come in, they pick them up, and then they take them wherever they do

1663
01:27:26.648 --> 01:27:30.308
across country, whatever. And when they come home, the owners of the

1664
01:27:30.428 --> 01:27:34.208
trucks, where they park. All these trucks are owned by individual people.

1665
01:27:34.908 --> 01:27:37.228
And what they do is they'll take their truck and leave their cars.

1666
01:27:38.548 --> 01:27:40.028
So that's how it works. But

1667
01:27:41.768 --> 01:27:45.088
my client was unaware that it was out of compliance only because it's been used for

1668
01:27:45.108 --> 01:27:46.778
decades as this exact use.

1669
01:27:46.788 --> 01:27:46.908
So

1670
01:27:47.768 --> 01:27:51.408
just for my understanding and for the public too, so for my understanding, what I

1671
01:27:51.448 --> 01:27:55.348
got from you is that your client has been operating in that area

1672
01:27:55.368 --> 01:27:56.448
for the past three years?

1673
01:27:56.648 --> 01:27:56.888
Yes.

1674
01:27:57.048 --> 01:27:59.447
And you were not aware of the fact that it was not in compliance?

1675
01:27:59.668 --> 01:28:02.568
That's true, because it's always been a truck stop.

1676
01:28:02.848 --> 01:28:05.348
It's always been a truck parking lot, for decades.

1677
01:28:06.248 --> 01:28:09.498
With that, I know there were some issues about the way the trucks are going, and

1678
01:28:09.548 --> 01:28:09.728
that's-

1679
01:28:09.748 --> 01:28:09.757
Mm-hmm

1680
01:28:09.757 --> 01:28:11.808
... been a concern through the resident too.

1681
01:28:12.468 --> 01:28:16.318
Is there an hours of operation with the truck parking, or it's just they can

1682
01:28:16.328 --> 01:28:18.888
come in any time, or what does that look like?

1683
01:28:19.208 --> 01:28:20.727
No, they can come in any time.

1684
01:28:22.128 --> 01:28:26.028
Some of them may come in late night. But that's not every time, though.

1685
01:28:27.498 --> 01:28:29.968
It depends on when they arrive to the state.

1686
01:28:30.308 --> 01:28:31.988
Yeah, they're not unloading anything.

1687
01:28:32.028 --> 01:28:32.178
Yeah, no.

1688
01:28:32.178 --> 01:28:32.748
They're just parking.

1689
01:28:33.328 --> 01:28:34.188
They're just parking.

1690
01:28:35.908 --> 01:28:39.268
Did any resident or did any neighbor come and try

1691
01:28:39.328 --> 01:28:42.748
to talk about an issue that they have been having?

1692
01:28:42.988 --> 01:28:46.928
For example, I think one of the member who just spoke, they mentioned

1693
01:28:46.948 --> 01:28:49.948
the fact that they have a banquet hall, and every time the trucks are going, it

1694
01:28:50.008 --> 01:28:52.428
vibrates their building.

1695
01:28:52.608 --> 01:28:52.688
Yes.

1696
01:28:52.748 --> 01:28:54.128
Did they try reaching out to you?

1697
01:28:54.588 --> 01:28:56.688
Not to me, but they did reach out to the property management.

1698
01:28:57.148 --> 01:28:57.368
There

1699
01:28:58.268 --> 01:29:00.048
was speed bumps right

1700
01:29:01.228 --> 01:29:04.468
near the apartments. And every time the truck used to come, they used to

1701
01:29:05.388 --> 01:29:09.348
hold a brake there by the speed bumps, and that's how there was a noise there.

1702
01:29:09.428 --> 01:29:12.928
So what they did is they took the speed bumps off recently,

1703
01:29:13.548 --> 01:29:14.028
so now,

1704
01:29:15.148 --> 01:29:16.428
hopefully it should be much better.

1705
01:29:16.648 --> 01:29:20.528
There's no need to brake right by the apartments to go in and without making any

1706
01:29:20.628 --> 01:29:21.068
noise.

1707
01:29:22.528 --> 01:29:22.708
Okay.

1708
01:29:22.768 --> 01:29:25.748
Now we do have another entrance that we can also enter from.

1709
01:29:25.848 --> 01:29:28.778
So it's not just one entrance that we have. We have the main entrance.

1710
01:29:28.778 --> 01:29:32.688
So what's the reason other entrance hasn't been used till now?

1711
01:29:32.768 --> 01:29:35.068
They're both being used.

1712
01:29:35.128 --> 01:29:35.248
Okay.

1713
01:29:35.308 --> 01:29:38.788
It's not just one. It depends on just where the trucker just enters.

1714
01:29:39.348 --> 01:29:43.108
Well, the main reason is because I think you find that if you go to

1715
01:29:43.148 --> 01:29:45.888
the southern, it's a straight run to here.

1716
01:29:45.948 --> 01:29:46.698
And that's also easier.

1717
01:29:46.808 --> 01:29:50.588
Whereas if you come through here, there's semi-trucks all

1718
01:29:50.628 --> 01:29:54.288
across here, all across here, unloading into these warehouses.

1719
01:29:54.308 --> 01:29:55.148
Docks, yeah.

1720
01:29:55.188 --> 01:29:57.048
So they want to avoid the congestion.

1721
01:29:58.208 --> 01:29:58.508
Yeah.

1722
01:29:59.868 --> 01:30:01.918
Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1723
01:30:01.948 --> 01:30:03.117
Anyone else like to speak on this item?

1724
01:30:03.148 --> 01:30:03.848
Yes, Mr. Chair.

1725
01:30:04.908 --> 01:30:08.488
You said you've been using the place for three years, right?

1726
01:30:08.888 --> 01:30:09.048
Yes.

1727
01:30:09.168 --> 01:30:10.388
Without any complaints.

1728
01:30:11.288 --> 01:30:13.588
No complaints that I have received.

1729
01:30:13.608 --> 01:30:14.988
They're not the landlord, though.

1730
01:30:15.628 --> 01:30:17.048
So you're leasing?

1731
01:30:17.208 --> 01:30:17.768
Yep.

1732
01:30:18.528 --> 01:30:22.168
Okay. So you've been using for three years, and

1733
01:30:22.248 --> 01:30:23.908
now you have come for

1734
01:30:24.808 --> 01:30:25.408
submit the

1735
01:30:26.828 --> 01:30:28.048
site plan. So why?

1736
01:30:28.808 --> 01:30:30.247
The city requested it.

1737
01:30:30.508 --> 01:30:33.948
City requested it, and when we took over, there was already trucks parked there, so

1738
01:30:34.948 --> 01:30:37.418
it was already approved for... We thought it was approved.

1739
01:30:37.468 --> 01:30:37.648
Yeah.

1740
01:30:41.508 --> 01:30:42.568
First of all, the landlord may

1741
01:30:43.708 --> 01:30:47.108
be at error here too, by not informing us that

1742
01:30:49.248 --> 01:30:49.488
it was

1743
01:30:50.388 --> 01:30:50.807
compliance.

1744
01:30:52.428 --> 01:30:52.568
But

1745
01:30:53.368 --> 01:30:56.788
at the same time, it's been used for a truck

1746
01:30:57.208 --> 01:30:58.348
stop, like trucks

1747
01:30:59.348 --> 01:31:03.228
parking for decades. So why would somebody all of a sudden

1748
01:31:03.268 --> 01:31:05.948
think that they would need to get compliance if it's been in compliance for

1749
01:31:05.988 --> 01:31:06.408
decades?

1750
01:31:07.568 --> 01:31:09.148
Because this is outdoor-

1751
01:31:09.408 --> 01:31:10.348
Sir. Sir.

1752
01:31:11.948 --> 01:31:12.608
Okay, so

1753
01:31:13.408 --> 01:31:17.088
are you parking the truck and trailer both or no?

1754
01:31:17.688 --> 01:31:18.768
Yes. Truck and trailer.

1755
01:31:18.928 --> 01:31:21.028
Trailer. There is any speed limit

1756
01:31:22.328 --> 01:31:23.148
in this area or no?

1757
01:31:23.788 --> 01:31:24.038
Just the-

1758
01:31:24.048 --> 01:31:27.388
Because the complaining neighbor complaining there is a big

1759
01:31:27.408 --> 01:31:28.048
vibration.

1760
01:31:30.828 --> 01:31:32.988
If that's happening, like I said, I

1761
01:31:33.988 --> 01:31:36.928
know where they're talking about where the guard shack is.

1762
01:31:37.468 --> 01:31:41.390
There used to be a couple bumps there.And that's where that vibration is

1763
01:31:41.400 --> 01:31:42.249
happening. They're holding-

1764
01:31:42.280 --> 01:31:42.290
Mm-hmm

1765
01:31:42.290 --> 01:31:44.179
... a brake there, and that's what's happening.

1766
01:31:44.260 --> 01:31:45.710
So the property manager

1767
01:31:46.940 --> 01:31:50.430
recently took all the bumps out, so now there's no need to brake by the apartments

1768
01:31:51.580 --> 01:31:54.980
to help out with the noise

1769
01:31:55.780 --> 01:31:57.120
or the vibration.

1770
01:31:57.200 --> 01:32:00.740
So, okay. I would like to ask planning department.

1771
01:32:01.200 --> 01:32:04.800
So can you response about using without

1772
01:32:05.740 --> 01:32:07.160
any permission?

1773
01:32:08.460 --> 01:32:10.440
Been using the place without it.

1774
01:32:13.140 --> 01:32:15.960
If you put the image up there, the site plan,

1775
01:32:17.060 --> 01:32:17.479
David.

1776
01:32:18.660 --> 01:32:18.880
All right.

1777
01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:21.820
Not that one. Yeah.

1778
01:32:23.140 --> 01:32:25.310
The other one that was... You had a better one.

1779
01:32:26.120 --> 01:32:27.020
The overhead.

1780
01:32:27.740 --> 01:32:27.869
The overhead view.

1781
01:32:27.869 --> 01:32:28.340
The Google.

1782
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:28.960
Yep.

1783
01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:30.340
Yeah, that.

1784
01:32:31.580 --> 01:32:33.000
Okay. And

1785
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:36.720
there's the main entrance. Can you see

1786
01:32:37.860 --> 01:32:38.440
what you're looking at?

1787
01:32:38.620 --> 01:32:38.800
Yeah.

1788
01:32:38.940 --> 01:32:40.020
There's the main entrance.

1789
01:32:41.180 --> 01:32:41.880
Show where that is.

1790
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:44.720
Not... Okay. Here.

1791
01:32:45.660 --> 01:32:47.200
Stop. Don't move.

1792
01:32:49.180 --> 01:32:49.620
Stop, David.

1793
01:32:49.870 --> 01:32:50.640
Okay, David.

1794
01:32:53.340 --> 01:32:53.520
No,

1795
01:32:54.440 --> 01:32:55.040
it's not there.

1796
01:32:56.300 --> 01:32:58.040
It's east of that.

1797
01:32:59.320 --> 01:32:59.630
Circle. Right there.

1798
01:32:59.900 --> 01:33:00.140
Yeah.

1799
01:33:00.540 --> 01:33:01.470
That's the main entrance.

1800
01:33:01.760 --> 01:33:02.060
Yes.

1801
01:33:02.800 --> 01:33:05.460
And then the other entrance is to this

1802
01:33:07.080 --> 01:33:10.000
site right here. That's a retail strip

1803
01:33:10.480 --> 01:33:14.340
that aren't being purchased and had for a

1804
01:33:14.420 --> 01:33:17.960
long time, many years, and recently they sold it

1805
01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:22.940
to a union group, and they

1806
01:33:23.000 --> 01:33:24.820
came through us with site plan approval.

1807
01:33:25.980 --> 01:33:29.820
And one of their problems was that people were coming in, again,

1808
01:33:30.120 --> 01:33:32.100
that's trucking. Okay, guys?

1809
01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:33.110
Mm-hmm.

1810
01:33:33.110 --> 01:33:36.240
Trucking. They were coming in that west

1811
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.300
entrance and cutting through their front

1812
01:33:40.500 --> 01:33:42.820
parking lot to go through the

1813
01:33:42.900 --> 01:33:44.620
main

1814
01:33:45.460 --> 01:33:47.400
driveway to go across the road.

1815
01:33:48.289 --> 01:33:50.310
That's what they were doing. There is a light there,

1816
01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:55.020
and these people really, they don't want to get backed up on the

1817
01:33:55.040 --> 01:33:56.460
main road to go north.

1818
01:33:57.480 --> 01:34:00.980
Everyone who enters and

1819
01:34:01.080 --> 01:34:02.480
exits that site

1820
01:34:03.640 --> 01:34:07.040
should know that it's the main entrance. That's where they should be coming.

1821
01:34:08.340 --> 01:34:09.230
So the point here

1822
01:34:10.080 --> 01:34:13.840
that I want to make is that no trucks should be going down

1823
01:34:13.900 --> 01:34:14.180
that

1824
01:34:15.460 --> 01:34:15.880
west

1825
01:34:17.900 --> 01:34:18.240
line.

1826
01:34:18.380 --> 01:34:18.460
Yes.

1827
01:34:18.660 --> 01:34:21.580
None whatsoever. They need to go...

1828
01:34:21.660 --> 01:34:25.600
Excuse me, they're going to have to take their time and go through the site and go

1829
01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:26.880
out the main entrance.

1830
01:34:28.100 --> 01:34:28.560
Everyone.

1831
01:34:29.580 --> 01:34:33.040
And that's what we should write into the-

1832
01:34:34.380 --> 01:34:34.480
Yes

1833
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:37.880
... rules, okay, and into the recommendation.

1834
01:34:37.940 --> 01:34:38.220
Yes.

1835
01:34:38.860 --> 01:34:42.520
That those trucks do not come down and just go straight out.

1836
01:34:42.540 --> 01:34:46.200
I know it's a nice straight shot. No, it's right beside

1837
01:34:46.240 --> 01:34:46.560
those

1838
01:34:48.460 --> 01:34:49.200
residential

1839
01:34:50.040 --> 01:34:52.260
condos. You can't have it.

1840
01:34:54.160 --> 01:34:58.040
They got to go out the front. And so

1841
01:34:58.080 --> 01:34:59.320
that's my recommendation.

1842
01:35:01.360 --> 01:35:02.040
Thank you, Mr. Wery.

1843
01:35:04.580 --> 01:35:04.920
Are you

1844
01:35:05.960 --> 01:35:06.310
finished?

1845
01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:06.760
Yes.

1846
01:35:07.080 --> 01:35:08.370
Okay. Commissioner Dusek.

1847
01:35:08.389 --> 01:35:08.840
Mr. Chairman,

1848
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:12.700
a number of things.

1849
01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:14.560
First of all,

1850
01:35:17.160 --> 01:35:17.520
this

1851
01:35:18.900 --> 01:35:22.160
was in front of Zoning Board of Appeals in 2013.

1852
01:35:23.140 --> 01:35:26.080
There's ZBA in 2014,

1853
01:35:26.600 --> 01:35:30.560
Planning Commission approval at '15,

1854
01:35:31.700 --> 01:35:35.360
2015, 2018,

1855
01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:38.280
2019, 2023,

1856
01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:42.680
and I think there's one for 2024.

1857
01:35:43.400 --> 01:35:44.560
So I think that

1858
01:35:46.260 --> 01:35:49.800
operating without knowledge or whatever

1859
01:35:50.440 --> 01:35:52.580
is maybe a little incorrect.

1860
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:56.760
It's all in our findings, and it's going back quite a ways.

1861
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:01.320
So as far as them operating without anybody

1862
01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:03.460
taking a look at it, I disagree with that.

1863
01:36:03.470 --> 01:36:07.300
I think the city has been very attentive and looked at a whole

1864
01:36:07.340 --> 01:36:09.010
bunch of these things. Now,

1865
01:36:09.940 --> 01:36:13.900
that's one. Two, I think we should make it a

1866
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:17.680
point on the recommendation to close the west

1867
01:36:18.260 --> 01:36:21.340
gate, the

1868
01:36:21.840 --> 01:36:23.960
west entrance and so on.

1869
01:36:24.080 --> 01:36:24.580
We concur.

1870
01:36:25.880 --> 01:36:27.280
If we can close that-

1871
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:31.640
Okay, I'm saying we concur. The problem is we don't own

1872
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:33.560
that, so you'd have to talk to the landlord.

1873
01:36:35.100 --> 01:36:36.240
I'm sure that if

1874
01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:41.720
you get in touch with the planning department and talk to the landlord,

1875
01:36:42.180 --> 01:36:45.030
then we can all come to a happy conclusion on all this.

1876
01:36:45.040 --> 01:36:46.880
We don't care how they get into the property.

1877
01:36:46.920 --> 01:36:50.670
Well, yeah, you kind of do because it makes

1878
01:36:50.740 --> 01:36:52.320
these people nuts.

1879
01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:54.880
No, we don't mind them taking the center one.

1880
01:36:55.060 --> 01:36:57.620
And I understand. But I think if

1881
01:36:59.780 --> 01:37:03.100
all of us, the city, and everybody else closed down that west

1882
01:37:03.740 --> 01:37:04.240
entrance,

1883
01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:09.360
that would alleviate their problems, that would alleviate some of the

1884
01:37:09.380 --> 01:37:12.720
problems about halls and the rest of it.

1885
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:13.200
Sure.

1886
01:37:13.260 --> 01:37:13.380
So,

1887
01:37:14.700 --> 01:37:14.800
I

1888
01:37:15.600 --> 01:37:19.560
don't know if we can make a recommendation for the planning department to

1889
01:37:19.600 --> 01:37:21.600
go talk to the landlord or whatever,

1890
01:37:23.320 --> 01:37:26.830
but they've been coming in and out of the city quite a bit

1891
01:37:26.900 --> 01:37:30.480
between planning and zoning board of appeals,

1892
01:37:31.120 --> 01:37:33.300
so saying that they haven't been-

1893
01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:38.300
But I don't think that those items that you just recorded, they were

1894
01:37:38.340 --> 01:37:40.560
probably for the other portions of the buildings.

1895
01:37:40.620 --> 01:37:43.130
You know what? That's in the ear and so on.

1896
01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:45.460
Yeah, but I think you'll find out it's for the other building.

1897
01:37:45.780 --> 01:37:49.290
But after everything's said and done, the city has been involved here.

1898
01:37:49.300 --> 01:37:49.540
Sure.

1899
01:37:50.380 --> 01:37:54.270
So saying that the city hasn't been involved and you're operating without

1900
01:37:54.340 --> 01:37:55.050
any

1901
01:37:56.180 --> 01:38:00.028
helter-skelter is not a really fair statementBut I'd like

1902
01:38:00.068 --> 01:38:02.268
to see that west driveway closed.

1903
01:38:03.628 --> 01:38:07.118
And that's that. Now, if what we have to do to do it,

1904
01:38:07.328 --> 01:38:10.948
I don't know who the landlord is. It used to be Art

1905
01:38:11.048 --> 01:38:13.208
Van, now it's Gardner White.

1906
01:38:15.288 --> 01:38:18.848
So that was number two. Number three, you have Lipari

1907
01:38:19.008 --> 01:38:19.988
Services in there.

1908
01:38:21.368 --> 01:38:23.588
You've got how many truck wells in there?

1909
01:38:24.088 --> 01:38:25.688
210, 220?

1910
01:38:25.868 --> 01:38:26.607
I don't know.

1911
01:38:27.688 --> 01:38:31.568
My client hired me just for that parking lot

1912
01:38:31.728 --> 01:38:31.818
that-

1913
01:38:32.168 --> 01:38:32.388
Okay

1914
01:38:32.408 --> 01:38:32.928
... they lease from.

1915
01:38:33.248 --> 01:38:33.628
Fair enough.

1916
01:38:33.668 --> 01:38:36.568
The rest of the building is done by somebody else and different clients.

1917
01:38:37.228 --> 01:38:40.457
Okay. The only comment that I really have to make

1918
01:38:41.188 --> 01:38:44.588
is that if there are any trailers with

1919
01:38:44.648 --> 01:38:48.628
freezers on them that are left running overnight,

1920
01:38:50.048 --> 01:38:53.777
that should not be allowed. And you have to police it, I

1921
01:38:53.928 --> 01:38:54.308
can't.

1922
01:38:55.188 --> 01:38:56.468
You have to police it.

1923
01:38:57.348 --> 01:39:01.288
Running that at night is totally

1924
01:39:01.368 --> 01:39:03.228
out 24/7,

1925
01:39:04.228 --> 01:39:08.068
no matter what. I've had my share

1926
01:39:08.128 --> 01:39:11.778
of problems with the freezer trucks running all night

1927
01:39:12.248 --> 01:39:15.128
next to residential, and nobody was happy.

1928
01:39:15.548 --> 01:39:16.148
Mm-hmm.

1929
01:39:16.208 --> 01:39:19.778
So I want your assurance that we're not going to have that kind of

1930
01:39:19.888 --> 01:39:21.308
problem with any of this.

1931
01:39:22.668 --> 01:39:23.608
And Lipari does not...

1932
01:39:24.468 --> 01:39:28.118
You're right, Lipari have freezers, but they don't belong to us, so I have nothing-

1933
01:39:28.668 --> 01:39:28.968
Well-

1934
01:39:28.988 --> 01:39:30.488
They don't lease from us. I mean, we just-

1935
01:39:30.628 --> 01:39:34.188
If you have the ability to influence Lipari or

1936
01:39:34.268 --> 01:39:37.328
whoever else has got refrigerated trucks,

1937
01:39:38.608 --> 01:39:41.768
do not allow that to run 24/7. That's all.

1938
01:39:42.528 --> 01:39:43.448
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1939
01:39:43.848 --> 01:39:44.848
Thank you, sir. Anyone else?

1940
01:39:47.508 --> 01:39:48.808
To the petitioner, good evening, sir.

1941
01:39:48.948 --> 01:39:49.048
Oh.

1942
01:39:50.258 --> 01:39:51.128
I agree with the...

1943
01:39:51.948 --> 01:39:52.108
Sir?

1944
01:39:52.868 --> 01:39:53.158
Oh, I'm sorry.

1945
01:39:53.328 --> 01:39:53.728
Where you going?

1946
01:39:54.268 --> 01:39:55.007
I thought you said goodbye.

1947
01:39:55.188 --> 01:39:56.128
No, I said good evening.

1948
01:39:56.288 --> 01:39:57.307
Oh, good evening. Okay.

1949
01:39:58.148 --> 01:39:59.428
I thought it was like goodbye.

1950
01:39:59.988 --> 01:40:03.928
I concur with the commissioner as far as trying to close that, because they

1951
01:40:04.048 --> 01:40:07.738
had a gate up there. The gate's not in operation, because they did have the

1952
01:40:07.738 --> 01:40:10.048
bumpers. But like I say, trucks vibrate.

1953
01:40:10.248 --> 01:40:11.348
I don't know what kind of

1954
01:40:12.708 --> 01:40:14.968
equipment or materials they're carrying on it.

1955
01:40:15.088 --> 01:40:16.817
The heavier they are, the more they're going to vibrate.

1956
01:40:17.608 --> 01:40:20.448
And like I say, it's next to a hall where they have banquets, and then you got the

1957
01:40:20.488 --> 01:40:24.448
residential. So if we could close the driveway and have them go down the other

1958
01:40:24.468 --> 01:40:25.788
driveway to the back,

1959
01:40:26.988 --> 01:40:30.388
and even if it gets to the point that we put up a sign or a barricade that says,

1960
01:40:30.408 --> 01:40:32.748
"No trucks allowed down this driveway."

1961
01:40:32.868 --> 01:40:32.978
Right.

1962
01:40:33.228 --> 01:40:35.728
Because I don't know who else uses the same driveway or not.

1963
01:40:36.448 --> 01:40:37.508
A lot of them.

1964
01:40:37.648 --> 01:40:41.548
So this way, if you can't do anything, maybe we can do something to

1965
01:40:41.588 --> 01:40:45.148
where we can barricade it off and just have a sign that says, "No truck

1966
01:40:45.208 --> 01:40:45.608
traffic."

1967
01:40:46.148 --> 01:40:46.348
Yeah.

1968
01:40:47.008 --> 01:40:48.828
So they have to go to the other driveway.

1969
01:40:49.068 --> 01:40:50.808
Yeah. We would have no problem with that.

1970
01:40:51.308 --> 01:40:51.588
Okay.

1971
01:40:53.228 --> 01:40:57.128
Are there any other questions?

1972
01:40:58.608 --> 01:40:59.068
Mr. Chair?

1973
01:40:59.448 --> 01:40:59.508
Yeah.

1974
01:40:59.728 --> 01:41:03.148
So are we adding this as a recommendation to this plan,

1975
01:41:03.428 --> 01:41:06.108
or this is something the planning commission is going to run down?

1976
01:41:06.928 --> 01:41:06.948
Or-

1977
01:41:06.988 --> 01:41:10.328
We can add it to this recommendation as part of the recommendation.

1978
01:41:10.908 --> 01:41:12.768
Mr. Chairman, I don't know if we can add it.

1979
01:41:12.848 --> 01:41:14.978
If it's not on his property,

1980
01:41:16.328 --> 01:41:18.508
then how can we add it as a recommendation?

1981
01:41:18.548 --> 01:41:22.448
Well, we can still add it as a recommendation to be considered to close

1982
01:41:23.748 --> 01:41:23.758
it.

1983
01:41:23.758 --> 01:41:26.488
We could add it on the drawing to say that the

1984
01:41:28.428 --> 01:41:32.157
tenants will seek from the landlord to have this

1985
01:41:32.188 --> 01:41:33.348
closed if possible.

1986
01:41:34.188 --> 01:41:37.408
I mean, we can't control it, but we can try to use our influence

1987
01:41:38.108 --> 01:41:39.888
to get it closed.

1988
01:41:40.328 --> 01:41:42.238
If we can get our director back up here,

1989
01:41:42.408 --> 01:41:44.588
please.

1990
01:41:46.208 --> 01:41:46.908
Put him on the spot.

1991
01:41:46.968 --> 01:41:50.748
The knees aren't as young as they used to be, are they?

1992
01:41:50.808 --> 01:41:50.968
Me?

1993
01:41:51.348 --> 01:41:51.787
Yeah, you.

1994
01:41:52.048 --> 01:41:53.458
I'm just thinking about basketball right now.

1995
01:41:53.768 --> 01:41:54.208
Okay.

1996
01:41:55.128 --> 01:41:55.668
Keep me whole.

1997
01:41:56.968 --> 01:41:57.668
Yeah.

1998
01:41:58.348 --> 01:41:58.778
Anyway,

1999
01:42:01.988 --> 01:42:02.568
okay.

2000
01:42:03.428 --> 01:42:04.138
The property,

2001
01:42:05.328 --> 01:42:07.618
this is one large property.

2002
01:42:07.888 --> 01:42:08.108
Yes.

2003
01:42:08.128 --> 01:42:10.038
They lease part of it,

2004
01:42:11.368 --> 01:42:15.088
so the site plan is also the responsibility of

2005
01:42:15.128 --> 01:42:15.787
Gardner White.

2006
01:42:16.688 --> 01:42:16.988
So when

2007
01:42:18.148 --> 01:42:21.528
the planning commission says they want that driveway closed,

2008
01:42:22.228 --> 01:42:25.948
it also affects the rest of the site.

2009
01:42:26.888 --> 01:42:30.248
Notice, we have an overall plan-

2010
01:42:30.828 --> 01:42:31.068
Okay

2011
01:42:31.268 --> 01:42:34.768
... and we have a larger plan that shows that

2012
01:42:35.068 --> 01:42:36.888
leased area. All right? So

2013
01:42:37.788 --> 01:42:38.047
this affect-

2014
01:42:38.088 --> 01:42:39.088
If it's legit-

2015
01:42:39.168 --> 01:42:40.148
This is affecting...

2016
01:42:41.488 --> 01:42:44.468
You're saying you want that either closed or

2017
01:42:45.088 --> 01:42:47.908
monitored, but I think you're saying you want it closed.

2018
01:42:47.948 --> 01:42:49.168
Prefer it closed, yes.

2019
01:42:49.548 --> 01:42:49.828
And

2020
01:42:52.188 --> 01:42:53.308
then that's what you're going to do.

2021
01:42:53.408 --> 01:42:56.888
There's another option maybe by that

2022
01:42:57.028 --> 01:43:01.008
retail building. There's a gate put there.

2023
01:43:02.688 --> 01:43:02.968
Okay.

2024
01:43:04.308 --> 01:43:05.328
Can you see that picture?

2025
01:43:05.588 --> 01:43:05.768
Yeah.

2026
01:43:06.488 --> 01:43:09.768
Yeah. All right, see where the black image is? Yeah, the L shape.

2027
01:43:10.168 --> 01:43:10.308
Yeah.

2028
01:43:10.468 --> 01:43:11.248
And right at the

2029
01:43:12.368 --> 01:43:13.128
corner of it.

2030
01:43:14.588 --> 01:43:15.728
All right, here.

2031
01:43:28.468 --> 01:43:30.168
You know what I'm talking about? See the building-

2032
01:43:30.588 --> 01:43:30.868
Right

2033
01:43:30.878 --> 01:43:33.828
... that looks south, west corner.

2034
01:43:33.938 --> 01:43:33.938
Yeah, this building right here.

2035
01:43:33.938 --> 01:43:37.348
Yep, right there. Put a gate there. Trucks can't...

2036
01:43:37.568 --> 01:43:41.428
It's gated off, they can't use it. But the people out front there

2037
01:43:41.908 --> 01:43:44.987
need that driveway for that. Yeah, for there.

2038
01:43:46.008 --> 01:43:47.778
So they're not going to come in, and

2039
01:43:48.608 --> 01:43:52.028
they're not supposed to come in there to begin with because they also will

2040
01:43:52.108 --> 01:43:53.868
have gates to their property.

2041
01:43:55.288 --> 01:43:58.568
Either close it off, close it off, or put maybe a gate there.

2042
01:43:59.488 --> 01:44:01.968
But that's going to stop everybody-

2043
01:44:02.988 --> 01:44:03.208
Yeah

2044
01:44:03.288 --> 01:44:05.058
... who goes onto the site with

2045
01:44:05.068 --> 01:44:08.660
trucks.You can use all the

2046
01:44:08.740 --> 01:44:11.459
signage that you want, "No through trucks, ends by path."

2047
01:44:11.480 --> 01:44:13.160
It isn't going to make a difference.

2048
01:44:13.220 --> 01:44:13.510
And

2049
01:44:15.240 --> 01:44:15.680
certain

2050
01:44:18.400 --> 01:44:22.060
officers of the law will have a lot of fun trying to

2051
01:44:22.080 --> 01:44:22.880
monitor that.

2052
01:44:23.820 --> 01:44:24.060
Okay.

2053
01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:27.160
Mr. Chair?

2054
01:44:28.980 --> 01:44:29.500
Go ahead.

2055
01:44:29.540 --> 01:44:29.700
Yes.

2056
01:44:29.780 --> 01:44:30.340
Okay.

2057
01:44:30.420 --> 01:44:34.240
Is the driveway used by any other companies or just

2058
01:44:34.280 --> 01:44:34.500
the-

2059
01:44:34.700 --> 01:44:35.100
It is

2060
01:44:35.160 --> 01:44:35.460
... truck companies?

2061
01:44:35.620 --> 01:44:37.680
That's what I'm talking about here.

2062
01:44:38.090 --> 01:44:38.090
Yeah.

2063
01:44:38.090 --> 01:44:39.130
It is used by-

2064
01:44:39.240 --> 01:44:39.730
So if-

2065
01:44:39.770 --> 01:44:40.760
... the union hall.

2066
01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:41.140
Yes

2067
01:44:41.440 --> 01:44:42.100
See that drawing?

2068
01:44:42.480 --> 01:44:45.100
If this driveway is used by

2069
01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:49.220
any other company besides the

2070
01:44:49.240 --> 01:44:52.080
trucking company, so we have to leave it open.

2071
01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:54.160
But we can say, "No truck."

2072
01:44:54.940 --> 01:44:55.090
Well-

2073
01:44:55.540 --> 01:44:55.690
We can-

2074
01:44:55.930 --> 01:44:57.520
... that is a ground thing.

2075
01:44:57.860 --> 01:44:58.289
Let's go over there.

2076
01:44:58.289 --> 01:44:58.289
Let's try.

2077
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:02.160
I hardly think anyone will pay any attention to the

2078
01:45:02.240 --> 01:45:02.740
signs.

2079
01:45:03.400 --> 01:45:03.480
Yes.

2080
01:45:03.540 --> 01:45:04.539
I'm being real here.

2081
01:45:06.060 --> 01:45:09.960
All right? So that's why I'm saying maybe the gate, there should be a gate at

2082
01:45:10.020 --> 01:45:11.119
that point right there,

2083
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:15.720
and then those people who have that property can use

2084
01:45:15.780 --> 01:45:16.120
their

2085
01:45:17.140 --> 01:45:17.800
driveway.

2086
01:45:19.160 --> 01:45:22.950
But they themselves were going to put gates leading into

2087
01:45:22.980 --> 01:45:23.560
their front

2088
01:45:24.400 --> 01:45:25.140
parking area.

2089
01:45:26.660 --> 01:45:29.780
That was part of their site plan. So

2090
01:45:30.440 --> 01:45:33.699
whoever pulls in there, they're going to have to back out.

2091
01:45:34.860 --> 01:45:35.150
And that would-

2092
01:45:35.150 --> 01:45:36.890
And they'll learn real quick not to go that way

2093
01:45:36.890 --> 01:45:39.800
... that would be awful. That would be awful

2094
01:45:40.620 --> 01:45:42.400
to back up all that way with a semi.

2095
01:45:43.160 --> 01:45:46.890
Well, there can be signage out front, "No through trucks,"

2096
01:45:47.060 --> 01:45:47.260
but

2097
01:45:48.620 --> 01:45:49.180
if you don't

2098
01:45:50.480 --> 01:45:54.470
stop them from leaving the site by way of

2099
01:45:54.500 --> 01:45:56.139
a gate, I think...

2100
01:45:59.320 --> 01:46:01.880
Okay, at the corner of the building or somewhere down...

2101
01:46:02.020 --> 01:46:02.900
They used to have a-

2102
01:46:04.480 --> 01:46:05.850
Yeah, one in the back

2103
01:46:05.850 --> 01:46:08.140
... a little shed there that somebody monitored-

2104
01:46:08.260 --> 01:46:09.420
I think they still do

2105
01:46:09.440 --> 01:46:10.040
... traffic control.

2106
01:46:10.500 --> 01:46:11.970
Yeah, I think it's still there

2107
01:46:11.970 --> 01:46:12.680
Well, anyway,

2108
01:46:14.320 --> 01:46:15.279
so it's a concern.

2109
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:19.530
If they're going to put it in, if you're going to put a gate or

2110
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:23.520
whatever in, I'd do it on the north side because backing up

2111
01:46:23.560 --> 01:46:24.120
a semi-

2112
01:46:24.400 --> 01:46:24.500
Well-

2113
01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:27.260
... once you got past that building would be...

2114
01:46:28.250 --> 01:46:31.590
Commissioner Duza, all right. The trucks come in, they'll pull right up to the

2115
01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:35.320
gate, and then they'll have to back up again, won't they?

2116
01:46:35.540 --> 01:46:35.740
Yeah.

2117
01:46:36.660 --> 01:46:39.820
Well, good point.

2118
01:46:41.320 --> 01:46:43.260
Even leaving is going to be tough.

2119
01:46:44.700 --> 01:46:47.180
All we're trying to do is funnel everybody to the front.

2120
01:46:47.260 --> 01:46:47.520
Yes.

2121
01:46:48.080 --> 01:46:49.220
It'd be great if

2122
01:46:50.460 --> 01:46:50.600
this

2123
01:46:51.740 --> 01:46:55.200
person who's leasing the property can control how these

2124
01:46:55.240 --> 01:46:57.520
people come in and how they leave.

2125
01:46:58.420 --> 01:47:01.620
And the same with everyone else who's on that site,

2126
01:47:02.740 --> 01:47:03.540
how they come in-

2127
01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:04.640
Right

2128
01:47:04.660 --> 01:47:05.440
... how they leave.

2129
01:47:05.880 --> 01:47:06.099
Okay.

2130
01:47:06.240 --> 01:47:06.870
And that's a

2131
01:47:08.240 --> 01:47:09.220
trouble spot over there.

2132
01:47:10.040 --> 01:47:10.660
Yes, it is.

2133
01:47:13.820 --> 01:47:14.320
Fair enough.

2134
01:47:16.260 --> 01:47:16.780
Mr. Wirth.

2135
01:47:19.420 --> 01:47:20.320
One second.

2136
01:47:21.020 --> 01:47:21.140
Sorry.

2137
01:47:24.180 --> 01:47:24.780
Because of the-

2138
01:47:24.789 --> 01:47:24.800
Yes, Mr. Chair

2139
01:47:24.810 --> 01:47:26.970
... number of trucks that have to drive down through there,

2140
01:47:33.980 --> 01:47:36.960
there's buildings, the apartments are right behind that.

2141
01:47:38.580 --> 01:47:42.480
Do they go in next to the hall there and go to the back, or do they use

2142
01:47:42.490 --> 01:47:43.340
that same driveway?

2143
01:47:47.500 --> 01:47:49.560
Okay.

2144
01:47:50.700 --> 01:47:52.000
Where the red line-

2145
01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:52.750
Yeah

2146
01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:53.860
... connects in right there?

2147
01:47:53.980 --> 01:47:54.940
Yeah, right behind that.

2148
01:47:55.360 --> 01:47:57.180
I think they do have access through there.

2149
01:47:57.380 --> 01:47:58.190
To the same driveway?

2150
01:47:58.460 --> 01:48:00.400
They may have an ingress, egress.

2151
01:48:01.540 --> 01:48:03.600
Somehow you're going to have to control that.

2152
01:48:06.820 --> 01:48:07.320
But

2153
01:48:08.360 --> 01:48:12.020
maybe this gets postponed, and the

2154
01:48:13.040 --> 01:48:16.970
person who leases has a conversation with

2155
01:48:17.020 --> 01:48:20.800
the owner and we can have perhaps a meeting

2156
01:48:21.160 --> 01:48:22.840
at City Hall and talk about this.

2157
01:48:24.240 --> 01:48:27.099
Because I don't know that we're going to solve this problem tonight.

2158
01:48:27.120 --> 01:48:27.320
There's no-

2159
01:48:27.460 --> 01:48:27.840
I agree.

2160
01:48:28.340 --> 01:48:30.940
I agree with that, because we need to get

2161
01:48:31.780 --> 01:48:33.260
pretty much everybody involved with-

2162
01:48:33.340 --> 01:48:33.700
Yeah, I do

2163
01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:35.080
... getting their trucks down through there.

2164
01:48:35.140 --> 01:48:35.680
Yeah, we've got to-

2165
01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:36.400
To get-

2166
01:48:36.940 --> 01:48:37.100
I think

2167
01:48:37.110 --> 01:48:39.420
... an idea of somehow how we can control it.

2168
01:48:39.460 --> 01:48:41.100
Yeah. They want to postpone this.

2169
01:48:41.760 --> 01:48:42.000
Okay.

2170
01:48:42.700 --> 01:48:43.430
We went the whole sh-

2171
01:48:44.320 --> 01:48:46.260
We actually can control our

2172
01:48:47.180 --> 01:48:50.500
tenants from using that entrance. Basically, we tell them not to.

2173
01:48:50.980 --> 01:48:53.640
If they're caught doing it, then they would lose their lease.

2174
01:48:54.440 --> 01:48:57.760
So we do have the ability to have control over our trucks.

2175
01:48:58.380 --> 01:49:00.560
We don't have the ability to control anybody else's truck.

2176
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:04.080
And you got to remember, there's a million square feet of warehouse space there.

2177
01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:04.680
Yeah.

2178
01:49:05.040 --> 01:49:09.020
My only concern with that is, you control your trucks, but what about

2179
01:49:09.060 --> 01:49:10.240
the other trucks that go in there?

2180
01:49:10.480 --> 01:49:11.290
I guess I'm-

2181
01:49:11.380 --> 01:49:14.800
You don't have any control over that, so we have to have some way to regulate all

2182
01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:15.660
the trucks.

2183
01:49:15.700 --> 01:49:18.489
But that really... If we can cure our

2184
01:49:18.520 --> 01:49:22.140
problem in that episode, then the

2185
01:49:22.180 --> 01:49:24.140
problem by other peoples,

2186
01:49:25.060 --> 01:49:28.820
would that surely be part of this site plan approval process?

2187
01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:31.070
Right?

2188
01:49:32.780 --> 01:49:35.800
If we can control our trucks, we can just simply tell the tenant...

2189
01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.480
You got to remember, our guys are coming in, they're bringing in their empty trucks

2190
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:43.580
and parking there. They're not carrying heavy loads or anything

2191
01:49:43.620 --> 01:49:47.080
like that. We can tell them, "Use the middle lane, or

2192
01:49:47.620 --> 01:49:51.380
your lease will be voided if you're caught going down the side

2193
01:49:51.420 --> 01:49:51.760
lanes."

2194
01:49:52.980 --> 01:49:53.190
And then-

2195
01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:53.940
Yeah

2196
01:49:53.980 --> 01:49:54.700
... you can work on

2197
01:49:55.500 --> 01:49:57.920
getting that lane. Then at least you got

2198
01:49:59.260 --> 01:50:01.000
50 trucks solved.

2199
01:50:01.970 --> 01:50:02.300
Then the

2200
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.300
issue now won't be between us

2201
01:50:07.400 --> 01:50:10.700
and the city or anybody else, it'll be the city

2202
01:50:10.820 --> 01:50:14.500
andMillion square foot of industrial space

2203
01:50:14.620 --> 01:50:18.460
that has trucking going to it. That will be that battle.

2204
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.740
You guys have that battle, but we will be out of it because our guys won't be

2205
01:50:21.780 --> 01:50:22.660
affecting you at all.

2206
01:50:24.220 --> 01:50:24.460
Okay.

2207
01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:29.740
Councilman Newman?

2208
01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:30.320
Yeah.

2209
01:50:30.500 --> 01:50:30.740
Newman.

2210
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:31.920
I have a question on it.

2211
01:50:32.170 --> 01:50:32.170
Sure.

2212
01:50:32.240 --> 01:50:33.270
Who would enforce that?

2213
01:50:33.800 --> 01:50:34.440
We would by

2214
01:50:35.860 --> 01:50:38.730
telling our people they can't use it, and if they're caught-

2215
01:50:39.460 --> 01:50:39.540
Right

2216
01:50:39.550 --> 01:50:41.880
... because we have a security guard at the back.

2217
01:50:42.300 --> 01:50:43.830
I'm not sure how that would be done with-

2218
01:50:43.860 --> 01:50:45.040
You have video cameras that-

2219
01:50:45.180 --> 01:50:48.620
We don't have right now, but I mean, that's something that we could work on

2220
01:50:48.660 --> 01:50:49.240
to...

2221
01:50:50.060 --> 01:50:53.420
He's fairly confident that he tells his guys to use the center lane,

2222
01:50:54.220 --> 01:50:57.580
otherwise we get closed down.

2223
01:50:58.020 --> 01:50:58.240
Okay.

2224
01:50:58.300 --> 01:50:59.520
Then they'll use the center lane.

2225
01:51:00.140 --> 01:51:00.380
I know.

2226
01:51:01.000 --> 01:51:01.580
Mr. Chair?

2227
01:51:01.640 --> 01:51:03.560
Enforcement seems like a problem. I yield.

2228
01:51:05.380 --> 01:51:07.340
None of your comments have been recorded.

2229
01:51:07.980 --> 01:51:08.220
Okay.

2230
01:51:08.700 --> 01:51:09.580
Talk around it.

2231
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:10.060
Sure.

2232
01:51:10.420 --> 01:51:10.620
Okay.

2233
01:51:10.630 --> 01:51:13.630
That's all right. But I yield if anyone else wants to-

2234
01:51:13.900 --> 01:51:14.580
Okay, fair enough

2235
01:51:15.220 --> 01:51:15.220
...

2236
01:51:19.500 --> 01:51:19.790
follow up.

2237
01:51:19.790 --> 01:51:20.240
But I think

2238
01:51:23.780 --> 01:51:27.440
we might want to postpone this to allow you to get with the

2239
01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:31.020
other, or allow Art Van or Gardner White to

2240
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:32.960
get the other people that-

2241
01:51:33.190 --> 01:51:33.190
Yeah

2242
01:51:33.190 --> 01:51:34.080
... bring their trucks in there.

2243
01:51:34.440 --> 01:51:36.960
Okay. My question to that is what happens if they say no?

2244
01:51:38.040 --> 01:51:38.460
I guess-

2245
01:51:39.200 --> 01:51:39.840
I mean, we're doing it-

2246
01:51:39.900 --> 01:51:39.910
Well-

2247
01:51:39.910 --> 01:51:40.900
... we're not going to be the problem

2248
01:51:40.980 --> 01:51:42.250
... but then you got the other question.

2249
01:51:42.860 --> 01:51:46.060
You could say no, but how many people are going to listen to you?

2250
01:51:46.100 --> 01:51:46.370
Well, if-

2251
01:51:46.400 --> 01:51:47.530
And they'll still bring their trucks in there.

2252
01:51:47.880 --> 01:51:49.680
His people will listen to him.

2253
01:51:49.720 --> 01:51:51.930
But I'm saying the other people that are going in there-

2254
01:51:51.940 --> 01:51:52.070
Mm-hmm

2255
01:51:52.070 --> 01:51:53.340
... which could be causing part of the problem,

2256
01:51:54.220 --> 01:51:57.580
how are you going to deter them from not going down through there?

2257
01:51:57.980 --> 01:51:58.320
I guess that-

2258
01:51:58.620 --> 01:51:59.390
So it's not just the one-

2259
01:51:59.400 --> 01:52:02.150
Is that really our job, though, is to deter?

2260
01:52:02.210 --> 01:52:05.410
No, it's not your job, but what I'm saying it's still an issue though-

2261
01:52:05.700 --> 01:52:05.980
Mm-hmm

2262
01:52:06.440 --> 01:52:08.260
... that would have to still be resolved.

2263
01:52:11.440 --> 01:52:15.320
What if we did put a camera at that corner, and any of our

2264
01:52:15.380 --> 01:52:19.220
tenants come that way, then they'll get a couple of warnings and then

2265
01:52:19.260 --> 01:52:20.059
they'll be kicked out.

2266
01:52:20.940 --> 01:52:23.580
If we put a camera, we can put a camera on anything nowadays.

2267
01:52:24.740 --> 01:52:27.960
And we have a security guard that stays in the...

2268
01:52:29.060 --> 01:52:30.140
We have an office in there.

2269
01:52:30.640 --> 01:52:32.100
Is that office open 24/7?

2270
01:52:32.800 --> 01:52:35.220
I don't know if it's open 24/7, no.

2271
01:52:35.680 --> 01:52:37.860
Because you said trucks can come in and out 24/7.

2272
01:52:37.940 --> 01:52:41.150
Right. It's mainly the weekends that we're concerned about security-

2273
01:52:41.710 --> 01:52:41.710
Okay

2274
01:52:41.710 --> 01:52:43.960
... people breaking into the trucks on the weekends.

2275
01:52:44.380 --> 01:52:44.560
Okay.

2276
01:52:44.580 --> 01:52:46.320
Because they can just come over from the skate park.

2277
01:52:47.100 --> 01:52:48.000
Yeah. Okay.

2278
01:52:48.120 --> 01:52:49.129
And there's nothing stopping them-

2279
01:52:49.380 --> 01:52:50.490
All right. Excuse me one second

2280
01:52:50.540 --> 01:52:50.550
... except the swamp.

2281
01:52:50.580 --> 01:52:50.880
Go ahead.

2282
01:52:51.560 --> 01:52:55.460
If I may, Mr. Chair. Site plan conditions must relate to the site plan

2283
01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:56.240
before the board.

2284
01:52:56.280 --> 01:52:57.020
Yeah. Right.

2285
01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:00.820
So please, yes, consider it in that realm. Thanks.

2286
01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:04.940
I don't understand what that means.

2287
01:53:07.020 --> 01:53:10.940
That means if the commission imposes a condition, it has

2288
01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:14.580
to apply to your petition, your site plan, proposed site plan,

2289
01:53:15.400 --> 01:53:18.280
not the other site plans-

2290
01:53:18.640 --> 01:53:18.950
Oh, okay

2291
01:53:18.980 --> 01:53:20.940
... for the other properties.

2292
01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:21.100
So

2293
01:53:21.940 --> 01:53:25.480
really, we should be looked at as an isolated incident.

2294
01:53:25.960 --> 01:53:29.490
So if you think you can put up the cameras or have the guards or-

2295
01:53:29.760 --> 01:53:30.129
Can I talk to-

2296
01:53:30.129 --> 01:53:33.340
... have some way to prevent your trucks from going down through there.

2297
01:53:33.860 --> 01:53:34.300
Can we do it?

2298
01:53:35.140 --> 01:53:36.500
Yeah, for sure. Sure.

2299
01:53:37.680 --> 01:53:37.980
Okay.

2300
01:53:38.120 --> 01:53:40.920
We can maintain our own customers. We can for sure.

2301
01:53:41.260 --> 01:53:42.320
Okay. Okay.

2302
01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:46.180
Commissioner Juse, what do you think on that?

2303
01:53:46.520 --> 01:53:50.120
We have to find the landlord and go

2304
01:53:51.580 --> 01:53:53.140
have a discussion with the landlord.

2305
01:53:53.900 --> 01:53:55.360
Okay. We still have to do that.

2306
01:53:56.420 --> 01:53:58.320
But holding him up-

2307
01:53:59.160 --> 01:53:59.380
Yeah

2308
01:53:59.660 --> 01:54:01.040
No, the property manager-

2309
01:54:01.050 --> 01:54:02.360
... it makes very little sense.

2310
01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:03.700
Right. I understand.

2311
01:54:04.780 --> 01:54:05.300
Okay, sir.

2312
01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:06.240
Great. Thank you.

2313
01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:08.620
Don't... Where are you going? Hello?

2314
01:54:09.820 --> 01:54:10.580
You're not done.

2315
01:54:11.460 --> 01:54:13.980
Are you trying to get to the basketball game?

2316
01:54:14.900 --> 01:54:15.520
Trying to, yeah.

2317
01:54:17.160 --> 01:54:20.960
Okay, that was a motion by Commissioner Morey, supported by Commissioner Hawk.

2318
01:54:22.060 --> 01:54:23.760
Mr. Chair, I have a question before that.

2319
01:54:23.780 --> 01:54:27.500
So are we adding this in the recommendation that the petitioner's coming up with

2320
01:54:27.540 --> 01:54:31.020
the way to track the trucks for you guys,

2321
01:54:31.379 --> 01:54:33.410
or is that being added in the recommendation?

2322
01:54:34.670 --> 01:54:38.420
Because I know we're just going with the word of mouth, and it's not in

2323
01:54:38.480 --> 01:54:39.640
the site plan.

2324
01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:40.120
Yeah.

2325
01:54:40.220 --> 01:54:41.400
So what are we adding in the site plan?

2326
01:54:41.560 --> 01:54:43.400
Richard, you want to commit to the camera?

2327
01:54:43.440 --> 01:54:44.370
I will-

2328
01:54:44.390 --> 01:54:47.680
You'll be having cameras, and what about the person who's monitoring the cameras?

2329
01:54:48.480 --> 01:54:48.830
We will

2330
01:54:49.740 --> 01:54:51.120
monitor the cameras.

2331
01:54:51.140 --> 01:54:51.300
But-

2332
01:54:51.310 --> 01:54:51.880
But I can assure you-

2333
01:54:51.890 --> 01:54:54.000
... do you have a security guard 24/7?

2334
01:54:54.110 --> 01:54:55.900
We do have a security guard there

2335
01:54:56.800 --> 01:54:57.300
that we can...

2336
01:54:58.140 --> 01:55:00.220
Normally, they're in the back. We have nothing to do in the front.

2337
01:55:00.420 --> 01:55:03.300
But we can possibly find a way, if we can get them-

2338
01:55:04.520 --> 01:55:08.430
So what are we committing to? I think I would be interested in having this

2339
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:10.140
in the site plan, so at least-

2340
01:55:10.150 --> 01:55:10.230
You and your guys-

2341
01:55:10.230 --> 01:55:12.530
... from this site plan, we don't have any issues going forward.

2342
01:55:12.530 --> 01:55:13.310
For sure, yeah. I mean, we-

2343
01:55:13.310 --> 01:55:13.360
Well,

2344
01:55:15.880 --> 01:55:18.700
if you ever go hunting, there's these video cameras that

2345
01:55:19.800 --> 01:55:22.560
when they see some activity, they click on, and my buddies were...

2346
01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:25.840
I'm playing poker the other night, and my buddy, "Well, there's a six-point

2347
01:55:25.900 --> 01:55:28.160
buck just went through my yard."

2348
01:55:29.200 --> 01:55:32.280
We could do the same thing there. A truck comes up, then it can go to somebody's

2349
01:55:32.300 --> 01:55:33.240
phones, whosever is on duty.

2350
01:55:33.280 --> 01:55:34.440
That's the best way, and then we can

2351
01:55:35.500 --> 01:55:36.080
tell our trucks

2352
01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:40.860
for sure from far away. I mean, our trucks are different than the Lapari

2353
01:55:40.900 --> 01:55:42.000
or the other trucks that come in.

2354
01:55:42.280 --> 01:55:46.000
Okay. If we can put all of what you're discussing about the cameras or whatever

2355
01:55:47.060 --> 01:55:50.560
to do where you can control your site plan-

2356
01:55:51.120 --> 01:55:51.280
Okay

2357
01:55:51.480 --> 01:55:53.480
... then we can have that put in the recommendation.

2358
01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:53.700
Sure.

2359
01:55:54.120 --> 01:55:54.460
Correct.

2360
01:55:54.540 --> 01:55:54.590
Sure.

2361
01:55:54.660 --> 01:55:54.920
Okay.

2362
01:55:55.560 --> 01:55:59.260
Yes. Mr. Chair, so it is our understanding

2363
01:55:59.320 --> 01:56:01.500
that they are not using this driveway, right?

2364
01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:03.500
Well, we can't-

2365
01:56:03.940 --> 01:56:04.310
Same as-

2366
01:56:05.540 --> 01:56:08.380
We have, because their property is in the back,

2367
01:56:09.480 --> 01:56:11.920
and there's other trucks that use it for the properties in the

2368
01:56:12.060 --> 01:56:15.552
frontIt doesn't deal with theirs.

2369
01:56:15.632 --> 01:56:19.452
So all they can do is monitor what their trucks are doing

2370
01:56:19.592 --> 01:56:20.612
for this particular site plan.

2371
01:56:20.652 --> 01:56:21.371
Their trucks only.

2372
01:56:21.452 --> 01:56:22.332
Just their trucks only.

2373
01:56:24.392 --> 01:56:27.612
Yes. Yeah, we will tell them, warn them, and then we will have a

2374
01:56:29.172 --> 01:56:30.311
camera that activates.

2375
01:56:32.312 --> 01:56:34.532
And then there's a lot of different ways you can do it.

2376
01:56:34.572 --> 01:56:37.982
You can also do GPS controls. There's tons of different systems they

2377
01:56:38.052 --> 01:56:38.912
use.

2378
01:56:39.712 --> 01:56:42.491
And then also, I don't think we would really need to enforce it that much.

2379
01:56:42.512 --> 01:56:45.132
Once you put the cameras up and you tell them and you show them, "Hey, we can see

2380
01:56:45.172 --> 01:56:48.372
you coming in," I think that's more than enough.

2381
01:56:48.432 --> 01:56:50.012
And if you get three warnings, you're out.

2382
01:56:50.652 --> 01:56:51.552
We can terminate the lease?

2383
01:56:51.632 --> 01:56:52.752
We can terminate the lease, yeah.

2384
01:56:53.332 --> 01:56:55.872
Okay. We can try that and see for now.

2385
01:56:55.952 --> 01:56:56.002
Yep.

2386
01:56:56.012 --> 01:56:58.792
And if it doesn't work, you may have to do something different.

2387
01:56:59.172 --> 01:57:01.182
Well, you may be successful

2388
01:57:02.032 --> 01:57:05.841
getting the other driveway stopped, in which case, the whole problem goes

2389
01:57:05.892 --> 01:57:06.092
away.

2390
01:57:06.512 --> 01:57:06.632
Yes.

2391
01:57:06.732 --> 01:57:07.532
Okay. All right.

2392
01:57:07.612 --> 01:57:08.752
For sure.

2393
01:57:08.792 --> 01:57:12.102
All right, sir. There was a motion by Commissioner Mori, supported by Commissioner

2394
01:57:12.152 --> 01:57:12.832
Hawk. Roll call.

2395
01:57:13.872 --> 01:57:14.092
Okay.

2396
01:57:15.132 --> 01:57:16.392
Commissioner Mori, I vote yes.

2397
01:57:17.492 --> 01:57:18.092
Commissioner Hawk?

2398
01:57:18.732 --> 01:57:19.372
Yes to approve.

2399
01:57:19.792 --> 01:57:20.392
Commissioner Ansara?

2400
01:57:22.752 --> 01:57:23.372
Yes to approve.

2401
01:57:23.932 --> 01:57:24.552
Commissioner Heide?

2402
01:57:25.592 --> 01:57:26.292
Yes to approve.

2403
01:57:26.532 --> 01:57:27.212
Commissioner Holowaty?

2404
01:57:27.712 --> 01:57:28.472
Yes to approve.

2405
01:57:28.732 --> 01:57:29.452
Commissioner Douze?

2406
01:57:30.132 --> 01:57:31.011
Yes to approve.

2407
01:57:31.352 --> 01:57:32.832
Commissioner Bonecki?

2408
01:57:33.132 --> 01:57:33.812
Yes to approve.

2409
01:57:34.032 --> 01:57:34.692
Commissioner Smith?

2410
01:57:35.332 --> 01:57:36.252
Yeah. Where'd he go?

2411
01:57:37.492 --> 01:57:39.472
And it's still Commissioner Heide.

2412
01:57:40.762 --> 01:57:41.732
Yeah, it is Heide.

2413
01:57:42.032 --> 01:57:42.082
It's Heide.

2414
01:57:42.082 --> 01:57:42.082
It's Heide.

2415
01:57:42.082 --> 01:57:42.912
Sorry.

2416
01:57:43.372 --> 01:57:43.612
That's okay.

2417
01:57:43.652 --> 01:57:44.512
Yes to approve.

2418
01:57:45.432 --> 01:57:47.472
Whatever you can do to eliminate-

2419
01:57:47.492 --> 01:57:47.502
Heide

2420
01:57:47.502 --> 01:57:49.092
... the situation, we appreciate it.

2421
01:57:49.412 --> 01:57:49.772
Sure.

2422
01:57:49.852 --> 01:57:50.132
All right?

2423
01:57:50.332 --> 01:57:50.572
Sure.

2424
01:57:50.852 --> 01:57:51.212
Thank you.

2425
01:57:51.392 --> 01:57:51.692
Thank you so much.

2426
01:57:51.732 --> 01:57:52.371
Have a good evening.

2427
01:57:53.672 --> 01:57:53.682
Thank you.

2428
01:57:53.682 --> 01:57:54.112
Okay.

2429
01:57:54.832 --> 01:57:55.132
Heide.

2430
01:57:55.232 --> 01:57:56.072
Item number 6D.

2431
01:58:05.612 --> 01:58:06.752
All right, 6D.

2432
01:58:07.672 --> 01:58:07.852
Okay.

2433
01:58:09.692 --> 01:58:13.252
6D, site plan for addition of covered patio located on the

2434
01:58:13.292 --> 01:58:16.372
southwest corner of 12 Mile Road and Burnett Road,

2435
01:58:16.972 --> 01:58:19.892
14300 12 Mile Road, Section 13,

2436
01:58:20.452 --> 01:58:24.412
Castrio Perjoni and Chris & Frank Properties

2437
01:58:24.532 --> 01:58:26.912
LLC, Ron Isaku,

2438
01:58:27.252 --> 01:58:29.712
PSP260019. Thank you.

2439
01:58:30.532 --> 01:58:32.312
Thanks, Ma'am Secretary. Good evening, sir.

2440
01:58:32.352 --> 01:58:33.772
You want to tell us a little bit about your project?

2441
01:58:34.312 --> 01:58:35.332
Good evening. Thank you.

2442
01:58:36.412 --> 01:58:38.252
So this project is a

2443
01:58:39.352 --> 01:58:43.252
very small outdoor seating addition to the

2444
01:58:43.292 --> 01:58:44.652
Milestone Grill restaurant.

2445
01:58:45.212 --> 01:58:48.392
Can we get your name and address into the mic, please?

2446
01:58:48.772 --> 01:58:52.672
Yes, forgive me. Yeah. My name is Ron Isaku, 4851 Haddington

2447
01:58:52.752 --> 01:58:54.332
Drive from Bloomfield Hills.

2448
01:58:55.532 --> 01:58:59.412
And I'm here representing the owner of the property, Castrio Perjoni.

2449
01:58:59.532 --> 01:59:01.072
Thank you very much.

2450
01:59:04.472 --> 01:59:05.092
Thank you.

2451
01:59:05.412 --> 01:59:09.052
So yes. As you can see there, that is the addition

2452
01:59:09.392 --> 01:59:10.432
that we are proposing.

2453
01:59:11.472 --> 01:59:15.152
It's meant to have these garage doors that

2454
01:59:15.232 --> 01:59:15.732
open up

2455
01:59:16.832 --> 01:59:20.512
so you can have a sort of outdoor dining experience

2456
01:59:20.792 --> 01:59:21.772
during the warm weather.

2457
01:59:24.812 --> 01:59:28.612
And that is basically it. And we

2458
01:59:29.192 --> 01:59:30.972
thought it would be as quick as getting

2459
01:59:32.612 --> 01:59:35.172
building permits for this project. Right.

2460
01:59:35.232 --> 01:59:35.642
However,

2461
01:59:37.472 --> 01:59:41.352
we're obviously having to go

2462
01:59:41.392 --> 01:59:43.172
through the site plan approval process, right?

2463
01:59:43.292 --> 01:59:43.552
And

2464
01:59:45.192 --> 01:59:46.772
I did see the recommendations,

2465
01:59:47.652 --> 01:59:50.592
thank you, from Ron's office. And

2466
01:59:52.432 --> 01:59:53.192
they basically

2467
01:59:54.412 --> 01:59:58.372
will require... Again, just backing up a little bit,

2468
01:59:58.752 --> 02:00:02.472
this is meant to be modest in cost as well for the owner,

2469
02:00:03.112 --> 02:00:04.732
for the business. And

2470
02:00:05.732 --> 02:00:06.642
the recommendations

2471
02:00:08.672 --> 02:00:11.232
include basically restriping the entire site,

2472
02:00:12.092 --> 02:00:13.952
as well as some significant

2473
02:00:15.552 --> 02:00:19.252
addition to an island that's on the property.

2474
02:00:20.232 --> 02:00:20.432
And

2475
02:00:21.732 --> 02:00:24.052
that is actually the highest cost item that,

2476
02:00:25.292 --> 02:00:28.242
if possible, we would like to challenge or push back on-

2477
02:00:29.032 --> 02:00:29.162
All right

2478
02:00:29.162 --> 02:00:31.411
... and see if we can get away without that particular item.

2479
02:00:31.992 --> 02:00:32.532
All right, sir.

2480
02:00:33.411 --> 02:00:34.772
Thank you. Correspondence?

2481
02:00:35.971 --> 02:00:38.272
Correspondence, taxes, current building.

2482
02:00:38.292 --> 02:00:40.032
Building has no issues with site plan-

2483
02:00:40.132 --> 02:00:41.812
Don't leave, sir. Come back up to the mic.

2484
02:00:43.252 --> 02:00:43.462
Thank you.

2485
02:00:43.462 --> 02:00:46.912
Engineering, preliminary review of this site indicates that Planning Commission

2486
02:00:46.952 --> 02:00:50.462
approval should be contingent upon the petitioner's compliance with the following

2487
02:00:50.512 --> 02:00:54.332
conditions. Number one, the provided legal description does not match the

2488
02:00:54.372 --> 02:00:58.252
existing records. Number two, all the existing utilities needs

2489
02:00:58.292 --> 02:01:01.652
to be called out within the vicinity of the parcel.

2490
02:01:01.692 --> 02:01:05.472
Number three, it appears that existing businesses to the south

2491
02:01:05.552 --> 02:01:07.492
is using the driveway or proposed site.

2492
02:01:07.992 --> 02:01:11.832
If so, mutual ingress and egress agreement should be required.

2493
02:01:12.912 --> 02:01:16.292
Police, the Warren Police Department has reviewed the submitted site plan and does

2494
02:01:16.352 --> 02:01:18.012
not foresee any issues at this time.

2495
02:01:18.372 --> 02:01:22.092
Comcast, we have area facilities in the area, but we have no

2496
02:01:22.152 --> 02:01:26.092
conflicts with the proposal. DTE, DTE Electric Company

2497
02:01:26.112 --> 02:01:30.052
has reviewed the site plan for addition of covered patio.

2498
02:01:30.492 --> 02:01:33.232
DTE has no objection to this request impacting

2499
02:01:33.432 --> 02:01:37.272
14300 12 Mile Road, Section 13, per the site plan

2500
02:01:37.332 --> 02:01:41.152
provided. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me

2501
02:01:41.252 --> 02:01:44.962
at 586-783-1978.

2502
02:01:45.972 --> 02:01:49.762
MCDR, Macomb County Department of Roads, MCDR, has

2503
02:01:49.832 --> 02:01:53.822
received and reviewed the enclosed preliminary plan for the above-mentioned

2504
02:01:53.932 --> 02:01:57.902
site. MCDR has no objection to proposed development at

2505
02:01:57.932 --> 02:02:01.852
the above-mentioned site. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact

2506
02:02:01.892 --> 02:02:02.652
me at

2507
02:02:02.872 --> 02:02:06.032
586-463-8671.

2508
02:02:06.172 --> 02:02:10.052
MCPWO, Macomb County Public Works Office, has reviewed the

2509
02:02:10.072 --> 02:02:13.942
site plan for the project referenced above and has determined the proposed

2510
02:02:13.972 --> 02:02:17.432
site disturbance is less than one acre and will not require a

2511
02:02:17.492 --> 02:02:19.472
stormwater review from this office.

2512
02:02:19.552 --> 02:02:22.992
If a no objection letter is required, please forward your request to

2513
02:02:23.012 --> 02:02:26.352
wesley.jonic@macombgov.org.Prior to

2514
02:02:26.372 --> 02:02:30.052
construction, a soil erosion permit may be required from this office.

2515
02:02:30.612 --> 02:02:33.032
Contact our soil erosion department at

2516
02:02:33.192 --> 02:02:37.492
586-469-565327

2517
02:02:37.592 --> 02:02:39.932
for more information regarding same. Thank you.

2518
02:02:40.392 --> 02:02:43.132
Thank you, Madam Secretary. Planning department's recommendation.

2519
02:02:48.872 --> 02:02:52.852
It is recommended that the site plan for the building addition of a covered patio

2520
02:02:52.912 --> 02:02:56.872
to the existing Milestone Grill be approved with the standard conditions of the

2521
02:02:56.952 --> 02:03:00.852
planning commission, and more specifically, number one, five copies of

2522
02:03:00.872 --> 02:03:03.992
revised site plans shall be submitted indicating the following.

2523
02:03:04.712 --> 02:03:07.912
1A, the shed measuring 9.3 feet by

2524
02:03:07.952 --> 02:03:11.832
17.4 feet and containing 161.87

2525
02:03:11.852 --> 02:03:15.442
square feet, located in the southwest corner of the building, was

2526
02:03:15.472 --> 02:03:19.412
constructed without a permit. The shed isn't indicated on Google Earth

2527
02:03:19.512 --> 02:03:23.452
imagery dated July 2022. The shed shall be added to the

2528
02:03:23.532 --> 02:03:27.512
overall square footage. The parking shall be recalculated to include the

2529
02:03:27.552 --> 02:03:31.512
shed and the freezer square footage for the total existing

2530
02:03:31.552 --> 02:03:34.852
square footage. 1B, the planning staff calculated the

2531
02:03:34.872 --> 02:03:38.832
existing building, freezer, and shed square footages together at

2532
02:03:38.852 --> 02:03:42.692
4,954.70 square feet.

2533
02:03:43.092 --> 02:03:46.732
The site data chart shall be changed for the existing structure and for the

2534
02:03:46.752 --> 02:03:48.692
proposed gross structure of

2535
02:03:49.992 --> 02:03:53.752
5,854.70

2536
02:03:53.772 --> 02:03:57.352
square feet. The requirement based off the square footage is 29 parking

2537
02:03:57.372 --> 02:04:00.032
spaces. The site data chart shall be updated.

2538
02:04:01.172 --> 02:04:04.332
1C, the existing and proposed setbacks in the chart shall be

2539
02:04:04.432 --> 02:04:06.612
updated to match the site plan drawing.

2540
02:04:07.032 --> 02:04:09.352
The north and east dimensions shall be corrected.

2541
02:04:10.432 --> 02:04:14.132
1D, include the setback dimension of six feet from the parking

2542
02:04:14.232 --> 02:04:16.772
area to the east property line. That's Bonnet Road.

2543
02:04:17.752 --> 02:04:21.672
1E, add the setback distance from the building addition to the north

2544
02:04:21.852 --> 02:04:23.352
12 Mile Road property line.

2545
02:04:24.192 --> 02:04:27.452
F, add the following variance approval to the site plan.

2546
02:04:27.492 --> 02:04:31.402
On August 12th, 1992, the Zoning Board of Appeals granted the

2547
02:04:31.432 --> 02:04:35.312
petitioner permission to retain the existing hard

2548
02:04:35.392 --> 02:04:39.272
surface parking lot located six feet from the property line along Bonnet Road.

2549
02:04:41.052 --> 02:04:44.942
G, label the freezer on the south elevation of the

2550
02:04:44.992 --> 02:04:45.332
building.

2551
02:04:47.312 --> 02:04:50.952
H, the east line of parking spaces along Bonnet Road can be

2552
02:04:50.962 --> 02:04:53.252
measured with the two-foot overhang.

2553
02:04:53.532 --> 02:04:56.872
Therefore, the effective length will be 20 feet and shall be indicated on the site

2554
02:04:56.912 --> 02:05:00.762
plan. I, the parking spaces along the east elevation of the building

2555
02:05:00.912 --> 02:05:04.732
abutting the seven-foot wide concrete slab can also include the two

2556
02:05:04.872 --> 02:05:08.572
foot of overhang for an effective length of 20 feet and shall be

2557
02:05:08.632 --> 02:05:12.272
indicated on the site plan. J, the spaces set back and

2558
02:05:12.332 --> 02:05:15.962
parallel to the north property line, 12 Mile Road, and the maneuvering

2559
02:05:16.032 --> 02:05:19.702
lane need to be readjusted. Between the two measurements provided,

2560
02:05:20.262 --> 02:05:24.032
there should be sufficient room to provide a 22-foot maneuvering lane and an

2561
02:05:24.052 --> 02:05:27.672
18-foot in length parking stall with two-foot

2562
02:05:27.752 --> 02:05:31.052
overhang for an effective length of 20 feet.

2563
02:05:31.112 --> 02:05:34.672
If this is not achievable, a variance may need to be required from the Zoning Board

2564
02:05:34.692 --> 02:05:38.602
of Appeals. K, the plan indicates the relocation

2565
02:05:38.652 --> 02:05:42.352
of the accessible parking spaces from the north property line.

2566
02:05:42.392 --> 02:05:46.322
However, the plan shall show the replacement parking spaces in

2567
02:05:46.352 --> 02:05:47.692
this area.

2568
02:05:48.982 --> 02:05:52.872
L, the parking spaces and maneuvering lanes west of the building shall be

2569
02:05:52.932 --> 02:05:56.802
updated. The parking spaces along the west elevation of the building

2570
02:05:56.832 --> 02:06:00.672
abutting the seven-foot wide concrete slab can also include the two-foot

2571
02:06:00.852 --> 02:06:04.512
overhang for an effective length of 20 feet and shall be indicated in the site

2572
02:06:04.572 --> 02:06:08.172
plan. The parking spaces along the west property line shall measure

2573
02:06:08.212 --> 02:06:10.452
22 feet as measured at the property line.

2574
02:06:10.822 --> 02:06:14.472
The parking spaces in the middle section shall measure 20 feet.

2575
02:06:14.512 --> 02:06:17.752
There is sufficient room to meet the maneuvering width, which shall be a minimum of

2576
02:06:17.892 --> 02:06:18.452
22 feet.

2577
02:06:19.512 --> 02:06:22.912
M, the required front setback along 12 Mile Road is 15

2578
02:06:22.952 --> 02:06:26.752
feet. Most of the site meets this requirement.

2579
02:06:26.772 --> 02:06:30.572
However, the northwest corner of the property only measures nine feet in

2580
02:06:30.632 --> 02:06:34.192
width. The landscaped island shall be increased roughly up to the

2581
02:06:34.252 --> 02:06:37.952
existing brick wall and provided with lawn and new concrete curbing.

2582
02:06:38.452 --> 02:06:41.532
Provide additional plantings such as meadowsweet or arrowwood

2583
02:06:41.592 --> 02:06:45.522
viburnum. N, provide the width of the existing driveways as

2584
02:06:45.532 --> 02:06:46.691
measured at the property line.

2585
02:06:47.492 --> 02:06:51.192
Number two, the petitioner shall provide a recorded document for ingress,

2586
02:06:51.332 --> 02:06:55.022
egress, and shared parking with the owner of the property abutting to the south.

2587
02:06:55.472 --> 02:06:55.662
That's

2588
02:06:55.672 --> 02:07:00.452
13-13-129-003,

2589
02:07:00.692 --> 02:07:04.612
28853 Bonnet Road. This document shall be approved in draft

2590
02:07:04.652 --> 02:07:08.592
format for form by the city attorney prior to it being recorded

2591
02:07:08.612 --> 02:07:10.272
at the Macomb County Register of Deeds.

2592
02:07:10.832 --> 02:07:14.392
A copy of the document shall be provided to the planning department.

2593
02:07:15.512 --> 02:07:19.012
Number three, the following variance may need to be obtained from the Zoning Board

2594
02:07:19.052 --> 02:07:22.112
of Appeals prior to the release of a site plan to the building

2595
02:07:22.132 --> 02:07:25.432
division. If the plan cannot be adjusted to meet the 20-foot

2596
02:07:26.212 --> 02:07:29.472
long parking spaces or 22-foot wide maneuvering lanes,

2597
02:07:31.172 --> 02:07:33.572
this requirement, then they may seek

2598
02:07:35.052 --> 02:07:36.572
relief from the Zoning Board of Appeals.

2599
02:07:37.702 --> 02:07:40.752
And if approved, the variance shall be added to the revised site plan.

2600
02:07:41.532 --> 02:07:45.382
Number four, a performance bond in the amount of $450 shall

2601
02:07:45.412 --> 02:07:48.892
be posted according to estimated cost of $15,000 by the

2602
02:07:48.932 --> 02:07:52.752
petitioner. Note, the planning staff believes the proposed

2603
02:07:52.792 --> 02:07:56.672
bond amount is too low given the fact that the recommendation includes an expansion

2604
02:07:56.712 --> 02:08:00.212
of the landscape island in the northwest corner of the property with additional

2605
02:08:00.252 --> 02:08:03.782
landscaping as part of the improvements, resulting in the bond in the amount of

2606
02:08:03.782 --> 02:08:07.592
$1,000. And this ends the recommendation.

2607
02:08:07.632 --> 02:08:08.352
Thanks, Ms. Michelle.

2608
02:08:09.292 --> 02:08:12.162
This is a public hearing. If anyone would like to speak on this item, please come

2609
02:08:12.332 --> 02:08:15.152
state your name and address for the record, and you have three minutes to speak.

2610
02:08:20.172 --> 02:08:21.672
Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission.

2611
02:08:22.692 --> 02:08:25.092
Chair, make a motion to approve with discussion

2612
02:08:30.048 --> 02:08:31.388
Mr. Chair, I support it.

2613
02:08:32.368 --> 02:08:35.448
There's a motion by Commissioner Halawaty, supported by Mr. Hawk. Discussion?

2614
02:08:36.288 --> 02:08:38.208
Okay, can the petitioner step forward now, please?

2615
02:08:40.368 --> 02:08:40.848
First off,

2616
02:08:41.988 --> 02:08:45.828
I definitely do like the idea. I've been to your restaurant many a

2617
02:08:45.927 --> 02:08:46.348
time.

2618
02:08:47.928 --> 02:08:49.748
It used to be another name, wasn't it previous?

2619
02:08:49.868 --> 02:08:51.928
Yes. My name is Castillo Perogoni.

2620
02:08:51.988 --> 02:08:52.728
I'm the owner of-

2621
02:08:53.048 --> 02:08:55.998
Yeah, but was it called something else? You took it over from a previous owner?

2622
02:08:56.508 --> 02:09:00.128
And before, way in the beginning, it was Dimitri's.

2623
02:09:00.258 --> 02:09:00.258
Yeah.

2624
02:09:00.288 --> 02:09:02.028
From that became Andrea's Garden.

2625
02:09:02.167 --> 02:09:02.237
It was-

2626
02:09:02.348 --> 02:09:03.508
And Gary's. That's the one I remember

2627
02:09:03.608 --> 02:09:04.068
... Andrea's Garden for 30 years.

2628
02:09:04.568 --> 02:09:04.968
Yeah.

2629
02:09:04.988 --> 02:09:07.698
And in October 2020, we purchased it-

2630
02:09:07.928 --> 02:09:07.968
Yeah

2631
02:09:07.978 --> 02:09:08.428
... from Andrea.

2632
02:09:08.448 --> 02:09:09.248
Well, good. Because-

2633
02:09:09.288 --> 02:09:10.688
And now it's Milestone Grille.

2634
02:09:10.788 --> 02:09:10.798
Yeah, but-

2635
02:09:10.848 --> 02:09:12.108
It's the existing building.

2636
02:09:12.908 --> 02:09:16.588
I know I heard the freezer, the hot and whatever, all

2637
02:09:16.728 --> 02:09:18.128
that has been there. It's-

2638
02:09:18.348 --> 02:09:18.448
Right

2639
02:09:18.488 --> 02:09:22.308
... when I purchased it, it was as far as the building outside, it

2640
02:09:22.348 --> 02:09:23.228
was existing.

2641
02:09:23.268 --> 02:09:23.408
Ex-

2642
02:09:23.428 --> 02:09:24.128
Just like that.

2643
02:09:24.988 --> 02:09:25.028
Yeah.

2644
02:09:25.128 --> 02:09:26.498
As far as inside,

2645
02:09:27.368 --> 02:09:30.348
because we have a liquor license, we expanded, we made a bar.

2646
02:09:30.678 --> 02:09:30.998
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

2647
02:09:31.028 --> 02:09:33.268
Lost a lot of seats. Now it's crammed.

2648
02:09:33.848 --> 02:09:34.168
Been there .

2649
02:09:34.178 --> 02:09:35.088
People want more space.

2650
02:09:36.028 --> 02:09:36.198
Yeah.

2651
02:09:36.198 --> 02:09:38.518
We think having a patio, especially for-

2652
02:09:38.518 --> 02:09:38.898
I think it's a good idea

2653
02:09:38.968 --> 02:09:40.168
... spring, summer, and fall-

2654
02:09:40.388 --> 02:09:42.548
Think it was a good idea. Yeah, actually I was there for Christmas

2655
02:09:42.608 --> 02:09:43.838
... it would help a lot with parties and people have more-

2656
02:09:43.848 --> 02:09:45.407
I was actually there for Christmastime.

2657
02:09:45.968 --> 02:09:46.268
And-

2658
02:09:46.328 --> 02:09:46.458
I appreciate it

2659
02:09:46.458 --> 02:09:48.728
... I don't know if it was your host or somebody, you had

2660
02:09:49.888 --> 02:09:52.568
some entertainment there that night, and the Santa and everything.

2661
02:09:52.588 --> 02:09:53.018
We walked in-

2662
02:09:53.088 --> 02:09:53.288
Yes

2663
02:09:53.428 --> 02:09:53.428
...

2664
02:09:54.428 --> 02:09:55.908
and we went to a movie, came in,

2665
02:09:56.948 --> 02:09:58.478
walked into a Christmas party.

2666
02:09:59.428 --> 02:10:00.608
We said, "Whoa, that was nice."

2667
02:10:00.628 --> 02:10:02.548
Well, we try to keep it as family-oriented-

2668
02:10:02.648 --> 02:10:03.508
Yeah. I give-

2669
02:10:03.668 --> 02:10:04.758
... and let people have parties, uh-

2670
02:10:04.778 --> 02:10:04.878
Okay

2671
02:10:05.628 --> 02:10:08.028
... graduation parties, family events, and all that.

2672
02:10:08.088 --> 02:10:11.928
That's why by expanding, it will give us a way to

2673
02:10:11.948 --> 02:10:13.328
put the parties over there, so-

2674
02:10:13.448 --> 02:10:13.578
Right

2675
02:10:13.578 --> 02:10:14.568
... everything run smoother and-

2676
02:10:14.748 --> 02:10:15.568
Well, so, but

2677
02:10:16.388 --> 02:10:20.088
basically, any problems with any of the recommendations from our planning

2678
02:10:20.328 --> 02:10:20.768
department?

2679
02:10:21.108 --> 02:10:21.248
Well,

2680
02:10:22.408 --> 02:10:23.028
the problem,

2681
02:10:24.148 --> 02:10:25.487
two are the problems.

2682
02:10:25.828 --> 02:10:26.108
Okay.

2683
02:10:28.348 --> 02:10:29.988
Basically, they want us to

2684
02:10:31.348 --> 02:10:35.288
expand the grass on northwest

2685
02:10:35.368 --> 02:10:39.308
side, if I'm not mistaken, on that corner over there, which means we have to

2686
02:10:39.347 --> 02:10:42.048
cut the parking lot, replace it with dirt and all that.

2687
02:10:42.948 --> 02:10:46.667
That's got a little bit of problem with financial, because we

2688
02:10:46.728 --> 02:10:50.388
thought we just going to build an outdoor

2689
02:10:50.488 --> 02:10:53.808
seating area, and now this bring us to a whole different...

2690
02:10:55.108 --> 02:10:58.308
And another thing is with the driveway, I contacted the

2691
02:10:59.668 --> 02:11:01.848
owners, which we share one driveway-

2692
02:11:02.768 --> 02:11:02.857
Right

2693
02:11:03.048 --> 02:11:04.008
... with the-

2694
02:11:04.528 --> 02:11:04.868
Of a but-

2695
02:11:04.917 --> 02:11:05.928
... plaza behind us.

2696
02:11:06.148 --> 02:11:06.178
Yeah. Yeah.

2697
02:11:06.197 --> 02:11:07.928
There's four businesses there. They don't have-

2698
02:11:08.008 --> 02:11:08.378
Yeah, I'm familiar with that

2699
02:11:08.378 --> 02:11:08.848
... their own driveway.

2700
02:11:09.708 --> 02:11:13.568
That's going to be a bit of a thing. We need to come to

2701
02:11:13.628 --> 02:11:14.508
an agreement with

2702
02:11:15.328 --> 02:11:19.268
the owner over there, because they don't want any responsibilities as far

2703
02:11:19.328 --> 02:11:21.208
as maintaining or anything like that.

2704
02:11:21.928 --> 02:11:23.708
But they want to use it, you know what I mean?

2705
02:11:23.738 --> 02:11:23.758
Oh, boy.

2706
02:11:23.788 --> 02:11:27.468
So I don't have a problem as far as them using it, but the problem is

2707
02:11:27.508 --> 02:11:31.357
that, let's say I have to fill a pothole or something,

2708
02:11:31.988 --> 02:11:35.348
if we share the driveway, we should share the finances.

2709
02:11:35.857 --> 02:11:35.857
Finances.

2710
02:11:35.888 --> 02:11:38.668
Now the city comes to me and says, "Hey, your driveway is bad.

2711
02:11:38.728 --> 02:11:40.208
You got to fix it," I have to fix it.

2712
02:11:41.328 --> 02:11:45.248
So we need to sit down with him, come to an agreement how we're going to

2713
02:11:45.288 --> 02:11:49.128
handle this. He can use the driveway or he can have

2714
02:11:49.148 --> 02:11:50.328
his own. I mean, it's-

2715
02:11:50.708 --> 02:11:50.928
Yeah.

2716
02:11:52.048 --> 02:11:52.368
I'm con-

2717
02:11:53.188 --> 02:11:53.488
All right.

2718
02:11:54.108 --> 02:11:55.528
I yield the floor. Thank you, Chair.

2719
02:11:56.108 --> 02:11:56.728
Okay, anyone else?

2720
02:11:56.748 --> 02:11:57.168
Mr. Chair?

2721
02:11:57.228 --> 02:11:57.368
Yeah.

2722
02:11:58.308 --> 02:12:00.628
Do we have any easement agreement with them or no?

2723
02:12:00.748 --> 02:12:03.808
No, there was no. I checked with the

2724
02:12:05.068 --> 02:12:08.148
records, and there is no... The only thing I found was

2725
02:12:09.128 --> 02:12:10.128
the side on Banner.

2726
02:12:11.088 --> 02:12:12.268
Andrea Garden had

2727
02:12:13.188 --> 02:12:16.108
an agreement, I mean, with a board of appeals or whatever.

2728
02:12:16.728 --> 02:12:18.988
The grass is not 15 feet on that side.

2729
02:12:19.008 --> 02:12:21.148
It is six feet, if I'm not mistaken.

2730
02:12:21.708 --> 02:12:21.808
Yeah.

2731
02:12:21.968 --> 02:12:25.408
But city has that on record as far as...

2732
02:12:26.248 --> 02:12:28.868
Now, another thing is the parking lots

2733
02:12:30.308 --> 02:12:32.148
being longer, basically the-

2734
02:12:33.388 --> 02:12:34.028
The spaces

2735
02:12:34.048 --> 02:12:37.608
... the spaces. That's going to affect us because I don't think we can reach...

2736
02:12:37.668 --> 02:12:39.368
Right now they're 18, they're perfect.

2737
02:12:39.408 --> 02:12:41.708
There's no problems in and out or anything like that.

2738
02:12:42.868 --> 02:12:44.768
But if we have to do

2739
02:12:46.008 --> 02:12:47.628
20 feet, if I'm not mistaken, it was-

2740
02:12:47.947 --> 02:12:48.128
Right

2741
02:12:48.668 --> 02:12:49.228
... recommended.

2742
02:12:50.428 --> 02:12:54.008
Or 20 feet in one side, I mean, two feet extra on one side and two on the other,

2743
02:12:54.708 --> 02:12:56.368
that's four feet. I don't think the-

2744
02:12:57.288 --> 02:12:58.708
That's especially

2745
02:12:59.548 --> 02:13:03.328
a problem with the parking just to the north of the

2746
02:13:03.368 --> 02:13:03.728
building

2747
02:13:04.768 --> 02:13:08.668
since there isn't significant drive space to

2748
02:13:08.688 --> 02:13:09.308
allow that.

2749
02:13:10.108 --> 02:13:11.108
Yeah, that's it.

2750
02:13:12.168 --> 02:13:16.027
Well, worst case scenario, you go to the ZBA. Excuse me.

2751
02:13:18.748 --> 02:13:21.668
I think it's because it was grandfathered like that.

2752
02:13:21.728 --> 02:13:22.268
Yeah, I'm sorry.

2753
02:13:24.548 --> 02:13:25.768
And that's what I was going to mention.

2754
02:13:25.848 --> 02:13:29.428
Both of those items, they could potentially apply to the zoning board of appeals

2755
02:13:29.528 --> 02:13:32.468
for the front setback or for the parking-

2756
02:13:32.848 --> 02:13:33.508
Mm-hmm

2757
02:13:33.588 --> 02:13:35.788
... space lengths. But they would have to

2758
02:13:36.588 --> 02:13:40.168
appeal to the zoning board of appeals their hardship, and that would be an option

2759
02:13:40.188 --> 02:13:41.268
they could try.

2760
02:13:42.408 --> 02:13:42.708
All right.

2761
02:13:43.028 --> 02:13:45.408
So is it required now?

2762
02:13:45.888 --> 02:13:47.068
Well, we put in our-

2763
02:13:47.328 --> 02:13:47.598
According to code

2764
02:13:47.598 --> 02:13:50.908
... recommendation the sizes that are required, the

2765
02:13:50.968 --> 02:13:54.908
setback width, and the spaces, and the maneuvering

2766
02:13:54.948 --> 02:13:57.258
lanes. That is the zoning ordinance.

2767
02:13:57.328 --> 02:13:59.027
That's why we put that in the recommendation.

2768
02:13:59.068 --> 02:13:59.448
However,

2769
02:14:00.808 --> 02:14:03.068
an option is to go to the zoning board of appeals,

2770
02:14:03.808 --> 02:14:07.558
and that's something any owner could try,

2771
02:14:07.708 --> 02:14:11.428
to ask for that relief or a

2772
02:14:11.468 --> 02:14:12.708
waiver from the ordinance.

2773
02:14:16.668 --> 02:14:17.288
All right.

2774
02:14:19.828 --> 02:14:20.308
Anyone else?

2775
02:14:22.468 --> 02:14:26.128
I noticed on my information it says that the patio will be

2776
02:14:26.148 --> 02:14:29.998
constructed along the west side of the existing restaurant, which it's

2777
02:14:30.028 --> 02:14:33.676
not. It's on the east side of the existing restaurantAnother thing it

2778
02:14:33.736 --> 02:14:37.636
says on exclusion, it says, "No HVAC scope." So are you

2779
02:14:37.656 --> 02:14:40.416
going to be conditioning that space, or?

2780
02:14:41.036 --> 02:14:44.896
No, negative. We are not. There may be some heaters out there,

2781
02:14:45.276 --> 02:14:47.096
perhaps in the fall or early springs.

2782
02:14:48.036 --> 02:14:50.336
One of those gas-powered heaters that are portable,

2783
02:14:51.256 --> 02:14:51.816
but that is it.

2784
02:14:51.856 --> 02:14:52.056
Right.

2785
02:14:53.336 --> 02:14:54.916
So that's the only way you're going to condition it then.

2786
02:14:54.976 --> 02:14:55.536
So otherwise,

2787
02:14:56.456 --> 02:15:00.336
if it gets too hot in there in the summertime, no air conditioning, they just open-

2788
02:15:00.616 --> 02:15:00.806
Well, there are no-

2789
02:15:00.806 --> 02:15:01.676
... open up the windows, eh?

2790
02:15:03.136 --> 02:15:04.336
It'll be open to-

2791
02:15:04.466 --> 02:15:04.616
Okay

2792
02:15:04.676 --> 02:15:05.475
... to nature.

2793
02:15:05.976 --> 02:15:06.256
All right.

2794
02:15:15.456 --> 02:15:16.366
I like the idea,

2795
02:15:17.916 --> 02:15:20.976
but like I say, our zoning ordinance regulates the parking.

2796
02:15:21.436 --> 02:15:22.176
Mm.

2797
02:15:22.236 --> 02:15:22.886
And therefore,

2798
02:15:23.936 --> 02:15:27.876
I make a suggestion, go before ZBA and

2799
02:15:27.956 --> 02:15:31.516
see if they will allow you to keep the parking the way you want it.

2800
02:15:31.556 --> 02:15:35.436
But like I said, when you bring a site plan to us, we have to go over what pertains

2801
02:15:35.456 --> 02:15:37.136
to the ordinance at this particular time.

2802
02:15:38.896 --> 02:15:39.196
Okay?

2803
02:15:40.536 --> 02:15:41.436
Yep, understood.

2804
02:15:42.396 --> 02:15:43.616
Commissioner, can I ask?

2805
02:15:44.416 --> 02:15:44.796
Sorry.

2806
02:15:47.096 --> 02:15:47.436
Go ahead.

2807
02:15:47.516 --> 02:15:49.946
Commissioner. Yeah. I'm seeing, um-

2808
02:15:50.076 --> 02:15:50.976
You just got to get up to the mic.

2809
02:15:51.036 --> 02:15:51.756
You can, yes.

2810
02:15:51.816 --> 02:15:55.436
Oh, yeah. I'm Councilman Noonan, and I'm

2811
02:15:55.456 --> 02:15:56.096
reading,

2812
02:16:00.616 --> 02:16:03.116
present use commercial Milestone Grill restaurant.

2813
02:16:03.196 --> 02:16:06.356
Note one, the shed measuring 9.3 feet by

2814
02:16:06.376 --> 02:16:10.326
17.4 feet and containing so many square feet, located in

2815
02:16:10.356 --> 02:16:12.856
the southwest corner of the building, was constructed without a permit.

2816
02:16:13.976 --> 02:16:17.676
And then that note one ends with the

2817
02:16:17.696 --> 02:16:21.556
parking shall be recalculated to include the shed and the freezer

2818
02:16:21.656 --> 02:16:23.756
square feet for the total existing square feet.

2819
02:16:24.096 --> 02:16:24.236
Right.

2820
02:16:24.356 --> 02:16:28.096
Maybe a way where maybe we'll need to recalculate the parking

2821
02:16:28.856 --> 02:16:31.556
if they remove the shed that never got permitted.

2822
02:16:33.296 --> 02:16:33.576
I don't know.

2823
02:16:33.876 --> 02:16:33.926
I don't-

2824
02:16:33.926 --> 02:16:35.317
I just thought I'd throw that out there.

2825
02:16:35.676 --> 02:16:39.317
By removing the shed, I don't think it's going to make that much difference in the

2826
02:16:39.356 --> 02:16:40.416
parking.

2827
02:16:40.436 --> 02:16:40.446
Oh.

2828
02:16:40.477 --> 02:16:40.606
Shed-

2829
02:16:40.616 --> 02:16:44.536
Well, if it caused the parking to be

2830
02:16:45.276 --> 02:16:46.157
recalculated...

2831
02:16:47.516 --> 02:16:50.116
Well, it's recalculated because of the floor space of the shed.

2832
02:16:50.956 --> 02:16:51.176
Right.

2833
02:16:51.996 --> 02:16:52.576
So if they-

2834
02:16:52.756 --> 02:16:54.176
I don't think it's going to change it that much.

2835
02:16:54.977 --> 02:16:55.136
They have enough parking lots

2836
02:16:55.206 --> 02:16:55.397
Oh, well.

2837
02:16:56.067 --> 02:16:56.246
It doesn't matter.

2838
02:16:56.246 --> 02:16:57.256
It's not going to change it that much.

2839
02:16:57.836 --> 02:16:58.696
Okay.

2840
02:16:58.737 --> 02:17:01.916
Yeah, it requires 29 parking lots. We have 60.

2841
02:17:02.096 --> 02:17:05.836
So it's not affecting, the building

2842
02:17:05.897 --> 02:17:09.676
being bigger, it's not going to affect the number of parking lots.

2843
02:17:09.737 --> 02:17:12.796
It still has enough parking lots.

2844
02:17:12.876 --> 02:17:15.676
So like I say, these are the requirements that we require.

2845
02:17:16.446 --> 02:17:17.826
Right.

2846
02:17:17.886 --> 02:17:21.456
If you still have an issue with the parking, which it seems like you've got plenty

2847
02:17:21.477 --> 02:17:24.696
of space to do all the things you need to do as far as the parking goes.

2848
02:17:26.536 --> 02:17:30.416
But like I say, you can always go before ZBA and try to get a

2849
02:17:30.456 --> 02:17:31.096
variance for it.

2850
02:17:31.157 --> 02:17:33.696
Okay. Yes. That was my question.

2851
02:17:34.276 --> 02:17:34.716
Yeah. Okay.

2852
02:17:34.727 --> 02:17:35.557
Can we build it

2853
02:17:36.436 --> 02:17:37.057
before-

2854
02:17:37.416 --> 02:17:37.826
Well, I-

2855
02:17:37.856 --> 02:17:41.606
Now I understand that maybe we have to do it, and then we can do it later,

2856
02:17:41.696 --> 02:17:43.206
because this is going to set me back-

2857
02:17:43.557 --> 02:17:43.956
Well, I would-

2858
02:17:44.136 --> 02:17:44.477
... waiting for-

2859
02:17:45.096 --> 02:17:48.876
I would still try to go before ZBA, a meeting with ZBA-

2860
02:17:48.987 --> 02:17:49.685
No, that will do

2861
02:17:49.685 --> 02:17:52.336
... Board of Appeals, to see if they're going to allow you to do

2862
02:17:53.176 --> 02:17:55.836
what you want, keep your spaces and stuff like that.

2863
02:17:55.897 --> 02:17:55.965
Mm-hmm.

2864
02:17:56.336 --> 02:17:56.616
Okay.

2865
02:17:57.616 --> 02:17:58.817
I know you're in a hurry to build it.

2866
02:17:58.897 --> 02:17:59.237
It's like

2867
02:18:00.596 --> 02:18:03.386
you're ready to get out of here because I see you moving back and forth, but-

2868
02:18:03.796 --> 02:18:04.036
No.

2869
02:18:04.987 --> 02:18:07.516
We got to try to follow the ordinance when we're doing these-

2870
02:18:07.526 --> 02:18:07.526
Yeah

2871
02:18:07.526 --> 02:18:08.256
... site plans.

2872
02:18:10.057 --> 02:18:10.516
Mary wants to speak.

2873
02:18:10.557 --> 02:18:10.796
Pardon me?

2874
02:18:10.876 --> 02:18:12.296
I think Mary wants to speak.

2875
02:18:14.657 --> 02:18:18.397
I was just going to say, if the parking doesn't affect the building, they can move

2876
02:18:18.496 --> 02:18:22.156
forward with that part and address parking later.

2877
02:18:22.237 --> 02:18:22.496
Okay.

2878
02:18:23.116 --> 02:18:23.965
That's what we're trying to see. Can we-

2879
02:18:23.977 --> 02:18:25.166
Right. I don't want to hold you up

2880
02:18:25.216 --> 02:18:29.136
... can we build it, and then if you guys decide, even if

2881
02:18:29.157 --> 02:18:32.776
we go in front of them, they say, "No, you got to do it," then we have to do it.

2882
02:18:32.817 --> 02:18:33.956
We understand that part.

2883
02:18:34.496 --> 02:18:34.756
Okay.

2884
02:18:34.876 --> 02:18:35.416
Exactly.

2885
02:18:35.956 --> 02:18:36.196
Thank you.

2886
02:18:36.237 --> 02:18:36.397
All right.

2887
02:18:36.416 --> 02:18:36.796
Thank you for that.

2888
02:18:36.836 --> 02:18:40.516
The city attorney says that you can build it, but we don't want you to forget, you

2889
02:18:40.596 --> 02:18:41.126
still have to go with the parking.

2890
02:18:41.237 --> 02:18:43.176
We will not forget. We'll get on it right away.

2891
02:18:43.336 --> 02:18:43.676
All right.

2892
02:18:46.456 --> 02:18:49.426
I think... Yeah.

2893
02:18:49.456 --> 02:18:53.057
I mean, they still have to have all the recommendation met, the approved site

2894
02:18:53.157 --> 02:18:57.136
plans, and those have to be for just a building prior to, and

2895
02:18:57.196 --> 02:18:58.296
any variance they do need,

2896
02:18:59.636 --> 02:19:02.296
before they can build. I just want to make sure they understand-

2897
02:19:02.936 --> 02:19:03.096
Yes

2898
02:19:03.296 --> 02:19:03.436
Right

2899
02:19:03.456 --> 02:19:04.116
... that. Okay.

2900
02:19:05.136 --> 02:19:05.916
You understand that, sir?

2901
02:19:06.176 --> 02:19:06.996
Yes, I understand.

2902
02:19:07.256 --> 02:19:07.356
So-

2903
02:19:07.676 --> 02:19:07.836
So

2904
02:19:07.916 --> 02:19:11.776
... we can't build the building until we go through the ZBA and get

2905
02:19:11.817 --> 02:19:12.376
site plan approval?

2906
02:19:12.716 --> 02:19:12.956
Yes.

2907
02:19:13.626 --> 02:19:13.796
All right.

2908
02:19:13.897 --> 02:19:14.196
Okay.

2909
02:19:14.336 --> 02:19:18.196
If I may, for clarification, the variances recommended by the

2910
02:19:18.237 --> 02:19:21.016
planning commission, planning department, yes, you have to get those.

2911
02:19:21.596 --> 02:19:24.036
But what I'm hearing is parking is separate.

2912
02:19:24.216 --> 02:19:25.916
You might not need it.

2913
02:19:28.397 --> 02:19:30.616
And you might want it, but don't need it.

2914
02:19:31.836 --> 02:19:32.136
Okay.

2915
02:19:33.136 --> 02:19:34.096
So it's not clear.

2916
02:19:34.416 --> 02:19:38.116
They would need it. Right now they're measuring under the

2917
02:19:40.256 --> 02:19:42.916
size that they would need. They're 18.

2918
02:19:44.996 --> 02:19:48.516
They need to be 20 feet, 22 feet for maneuvering,

2919
02:19:49.296 --> 02:19:53.016
22 along the... So they would need variances for

2920
02:19:53.116 --> 02:19:53.556
that.

2921
02:19:53.916 --> 02:19:55.996
Yes. All right.

2922
02:19:56.756 --> 02:19:58.816
So they need to go to ZBA first.

2923
02:19:59.036 --> 02:19:59.276
Yeah.

2924
02:19:59.356 --> 02:20:01.476
ZBA has to approve, then they can build.

2925
02:20:01.576 --> 02:20:01.876
Yeah. Right.

2926
02:20:01.986 --> 02:20:01.986
Yes.

2927
02:20:02.036 --> 02:20:05.916
And if just whatever they determine along that front, that's not

2928
02:20:05.956 --> 02:20:06.896
15 feet.

2929
02:20:07.196 --> 02:20:07.286
Right.

2930
02:20:07.286 --> 02:20:10.075
Right. We can approve conditionally.

2931
02:20:10.376 --> 02:20:11.496
Mm-hmm.

2932
02:20:12.356 --> 02:20:12.676
Yes.

2933
02:20:13.576 --> 02:20:13.586
Okay.

2934
02:20:13.586 --> 02:20:14.576
Yes. Okay.

2935
02:20:18.296 --> 02:20:18.556
Okay.

2936
02:20:19.516 --> 02:20:23.036
Okay, so if we approve this, it'll be on the condition that you go to

2937
02:20:23.076 --> 02:20:25.136
ZBA and get that part handled-

2938
02:20:25.216 --> 02:20:25.346
Okay

2939
02:20:25.376 --> 02:20:26.316
... so that meets the ordinance.

2940
02:20:26.476 --> 02:20:27.396
Okay. Sounds good.

2941
02:20:27.496 --> 02:20:27.796
Okay.

2942
02:20:28.716 --> 02:20:28.976
Thank you.

2943
02:20:29.376 --> 02:20:29.716
Thank you.

2944
02:20:30.976 --> 02:20:33.476
That was a motion by Commissioner Halawati, supported by Mr.

2945
02:20:33.496 --> 02:20:35.203
HawkRoll call.

2946
02:20:35.603 --> 02:20:39.203
Commissioner Holowaty? Motion to approve. Commissioner Hawk?

2947
02:20:39.783 --> 02:20:40.503
Yes to approve.

2948
02:20:40.963 --> 02:20:41.683
Commissioner Ansir?

2949
02:20:42.183 --> 02:20:42.823
Yes to approve.

2950
02:20:43.223 --> 02:20:46.583
Commissioner Heidi? Yes to approve. Commissioner Dizay?

2951
02:20:47.363 --> 02:20:48.203
Yes to approve.

2952
02:20:48.263 --> 02:20:49.803
Commissioner Maury votes yes. Commissioner Bonacki?

2953
02:20:50.223 --> 02:20:50.824
Yes to approve.

2954
02:20:50.943 --> 02:20:51.603
Commissioner Smith?

2955
02:20:51.943 --> 02:20:55.824
Yes to approve with the conditions that they have to still go by ZBA for a

2956
02:20:55.863 --> 02:20:56.283
variance.

2957
02:20:57.783 --> 02:20:59.263
Thank you, sir. Good luck with the project.

2958
02:21:00.423 --> 02:21:00.803
Herbs.

2959
02:21:01.863 --> 02:21:05.564
To the commission, do we need to take a five or 10-minute recess?

2960
02:21:07.924 --> 02:21:08.403
Hello?

2961
02:21:08.503 --> 02:21:09.244
Yes. Yes.

2962
02:21:09.904 --> 02:21:10.403
Sure.

2963
02:21:10.503 --> 02:21:11.023
Yes, please.

2964
02:21:12.764 --> 02:21:15.503
And everybody's losing their minds on a basketball game.

2965
02:21:16.623 --> 02:21:16.703
Five.

2966
02:21:17.363 --> 02:21:17.904
10 minutes.

2967
02:21:18.803 --> 02:21:19.244
Five minutes?

2968
02:21:19.603 --> 02:21:19.983
Five.

2969
02:21:20.303 --> 02:21:20.863
Five minutes?

2970
02:21:20.904 --> 02:21:22.084
So we can stand up.

2971
02:21:22.103 --> 02:21:24.043
We'll take a five-minute recess.

2972
02:28:22.314 --> 02:28:22.834
Good evening.

2973
02:28:23.754 --> 02:28:25.754
Planning Commission is getting ready to resume.

2974
02:28:27.154 --> 02:28:30.154
Item number 6E.

2975
02:28:30.934 --> 02:28:31.234
Yep.

2976
02:28:36.074 --> 02:28:36.934
We're missing somebody.

2977
02:28:37.194 --> 02:28:38.994
I'm sorry.

2978
02:28:40.914 --> 02:28:42.634
Told her five minutes.

2979
02:28:43.094 --> 02:28:43.574
Where'd he go?

2980
02:28:44.474 --> 02:28:46.234
Item number 6E. We got to keep going.

2981
02:28:46.474 --> 02:28:50.394
Item number 6E, site plan for a community center and K to 12

2982
02:28:50.484 --> 02:28:54.274
religious education center located on the east side of Ryan

2983
02:28:54.354 --> 02:28:57.374
Road and the south side of 11 Mile Road,

2984
02:28:57.794 --> 02:29:01.074
26688 Ryan Road, Section 20. Mani

2985
02:29:01.274 --> 02:29:05.074
Muzamman Khan, Perveen Munir Khan Islamic Center,

2986
02:29:05.434 --> 02:29:07.594
Hisham Turk and Turk Architects,

2987
02:29:07.694 --> 02:29:10.194
PSP260018. Thank you.

2988
02:29:10.794 --> 02:29:11.134
Thank you.

2989
02:29:11.754 --> 02:29:11.944
You're welcome.

2990
02:29:11.974 --> 02:29:14.814
Good evening, sir. You going to tell us a little bit about your project?

2991
02:29:15.174 --> 02:29:17.234
Hello. Yes. My name is Taha Sohrwardy.

2992
02:29:17.474 --> 02:29:18.834
I'm a representative of

2993
02:29:20.154 --> 02:29:20.894
Turk Architects.

2994
02:29:22.294 --> 02:29:24.494
So the project here is

2995
02:29:26.014 --> 02:29:27.774
an existing retail site

2996
02:29:29.034 --> 02:29:32.914
and commercial building. And the nonprofit

2997
02:29:33.114 --> 02:29:35.964
here, the Perveen Munir Khan Islamic Center,

2998
02:29:37.114 --> 02:29:39.814
is intending to turn this

2999
02:29:41.474 --> 02:29:44.874
space inside this building into a

3000
02:29:46.254 --> 02:29:49.944
set of programs for underprivileged Muslim immigrant youth, through

3001
02:29:49.974 --> 02:29:53.384
education, physical activity, and health and wellness programs.

3002
02:29:56.454 --> 02:29:57.944
So there's three

3003
02:29:58.834 --> 02:29:59.974
portions of the building.

3004
02:30:00.994 --> 02:30:02.614
There's three tenants. So the first one

3005
02:30:03.874 --> 02:30:07.334
and second one are now vacant. The third one is currently a Dollar

3006
02:30:07.474 --> 02:30:09.114
Tree that will remain as is.

3007
02:30:10.034 --> 02:30:13.794
So the tenant one space, 10,000 square feet, that would

3008
02:30:13.834 --> 02:30:17.734
be mostly classroom space or some physical activity

3009
02:30:17.794 --> 02:30:18.134
space

3010
02:30:19.314 --> 02:30:21.894
for children that are K to 12.

3011
02:30:23.114 --> 02:30:23.694
And

3012
02:30:25.794 --> 02:30:28.054
the tenant two space will be

3013
02:30:30.714 --> 02:30:33.934
converted into a community banquet hall

3014
02:30:34.734 --> 02:30:38.534
type of a space for educational seminars and community events to generate

3015
02:30:38.574 --> 02:30:40.814
revenue for the center's operations.

3016
02:30:41.574 --> 02:30:42.514
So

3017
02:30:43.594 --> 02:30:47.444
originally, there were no proposed changes to the exterior elevations or

3018
02:30:47.474 --> 02:30:48.494
the project site,

3019
02:30:51.554 --> 02:30:55.364
but we've received recommendations where we will have

3020
02:30:55.394 --> 02:30:58.734
to change a few things to be able to get the approval.

3021
02:31:00.514 --> 02:31:04.484
Just generally, the project aims to serve the, I think

3022
02:31:04.534 --> 02:31:07.994
as I mentioned, the underprivileged Muslim immigrant youth

3023
02:31:08.934 --> 02:31:09.614
in the area.

3024
02:31:11.374 --> 02:31:15.314
A lot of the wording

3025
02:31:16.034 --> 02:31:17.594
that's been thrown around has been

3026
02:31:19.474 --> 02:31:23.234
religious education center, but it's really more of after-school

3027
02:31:23.354 --> 02:31:26.463
programming for children,

3028
02:31:28.114 --> 02:31:32.054
with the theme of religion and culture and

3029
02:31:32.114 --> 02:31:32.754
that sort of thing.

3030
02:31:34.034 --> 02:31:35.754
All right. Thank you, sir. Correspondence?

3031
02:31:36.274 --> 02:31:38.674
Correspondence. Texas Current, "Building

3032
02:31:38.734 --> 02:31:42.654
requires building permit and plan review application for

3033
02:31:42.694 --> 02:31:46.214
proposed community center and K to 12 religious education center.

3034
02:31:46.774 --> 02:31:48.814
Fire, regarding the proposed site plan,

3035
02:31:48.954 --> 02:31:52.934
PSP260018, for the property located at

3036
02:31:53.074 --> 02:31:56.874
26688 Ryan Road, there are existing fire hydrants

3037
02:31:56.914 --> 02:32:00.394
located within the alley that must be brought into

3038
02:32:00.434 --> 02:32:04.424
compliance prior to disabling the fire suppression

3039
02:32:04.534 --> 02:32:04.994
system.

3040
02:32:06.014 --> 02:32:09.834
The city of Warren is currently operating under the 2021

3041
02:32:09.874 --> 02:32:13.414
International Fire Code, IFC, which references

3042
02:32:13.514 --> 02:32:17.174
NFPA 24. Chapter 7

3043
02:32:17.274 --> 02:32:20.854
of NFPA 24 governs the installation of

3044
02:32:20.914 --> 02:32:24.834
private fire hydrants and requires the central line of

3045
02:32:24.894 --> 02:32:28.614
the discharge port to be 18 inch above

3046
02:32:28.674 --> 02:32:32.514
grade, along with the minimum 36-inch clearance

3047
02:32:32.574 --> 02:32:36.014
around the hydrant. The hydrant currently do not meet these

3048
02:32:36.034 --> 02:32:39.993
requirements. These are set too low and do not maintain the

3049
02:32:40.034 --> 02:32:42.854
required clearance due to the installation of

3050
02:32:42.994 --> 02:32:46.666
bollards."These hydrants are required by code to

3051
02:32:46.746 --> 02:32:50.426
remain in their current location to provide fire protection for the

3052
02:32:50.446 --> 02:32:53.686
building. As a result, the hydrants must be

3053
02:32:53.726 --> 02:32:57.026
repaired and reset in compliance with code

3054
02:32:57.066 --> 02:33:00.406
requirements prior to the fire suppression system being

3055
02:33:00.446 --> 02:33:02.666
disabled for renovation. Police.

3056
02:33:03.006 --> 02:33:06.116
The Warren Police Department has reviewed the submitted site plan and does not

3057
02:33:06.146 --> 02:33:08.736
foresee any issues at this time. Water.

3058
02:33:09.986 --> 02:33:12.606
I will go ahead and read water at the end. AT&T.

3059
02:33:12.666 --> 02:33:16.416
AT&T does not object to the proposed use plan for the community and

3060
02:33:16.506 --> 02:33:20.166
education center. AT&T does have facilities on the

3061
02:33:20.226 --> 02:33:21.785
property and serving the building.

3062
02:33:22.206 --> 02:33:25.986
Please advise the petitioner to contact us if there are any conflicts.

3063
02:33:26.026 --> 02:33:29.776
Comcast. We have no conflicts with this proposal, but we have aerial and

3064
02:33:29.826 --> 02:33:32.326
underground facilities in the area. DTE.

3065
02:33:32.686 --> 02:33:36.586
DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for community center and K to

3066
02:33:36.626 --> 02:33:39.766
12 religious education center. DTE has no objection

3067
02:33:40.646 --> 02:33:40.696
to

3068
02:33:42.006 --> 02:33:45.936
this request impacting 26688 Ryan Road,

3069
02:33:46.066 --> 02:33:48.206
Section 20, per the site plan provided.

3070
02:33:49.226 --> 02:33:52.766
If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at

3071
02:33:52.926 --> 02:33:55.606
586-783-1978.

3072
02:33:56.206 --> 02:33:59.436
MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works Office,

3073
02:33:59.606 --> 02:34:03.426
MCPWO, has reviewed the site plan for the project referenced

3074
02:34:03.466 --> 02:34:07.276
above and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less

3075
02:34:07.366 --> 02:34:11.046
than one acre and will not require stormwater review from this

3076
02:34:11.126 --> 02:34:14.906
office. If a no objection letter is required, please forward your

3077
02:34:14.946 --> 02:34:18.286
request to wesley.janek@macombgov.org.

3078
02:34:18.806 --> 02:34:22.696
Prior to construction, a soil erosion permit may be required from this

3079
02:34:22.746 --> 02:34:23.146
office.

3080
02:34:24.306 --> 02:34:26.426
Contact our soil erosion department at

3081
02:34:26.806 --> 02:34:30.466
586-469-5327 for more

3082
02:34:30.506 --> 02:34:32.876
information regarding same. MDOT.

3083
02:34:33.226 --> 02:34:37.206
The applicant's site plan appears to have work in MDOT's right of way.

3084
02:34:37.286 --> 02:34:41.066
Any work, water main taps, sanitary sewer

3085
02:34:41.106 --> 02:34:44.996
taps, drainage, or driveway modifications in MDOT's right of

3086
02:34:45.006 --> 02:34:48.436
way, or changes to the drainage system that may impact

3087
02:34:48.686 --> 02:34:51.606
MDOT's storm system will require a permit.

3088
02:34:52.666 --> 02:34:54.285
So from the water department,

3089
02:34:54.806 --> 02:34:58.446
"Dear Mr. Khan,

3090
02:34:58.786 --> 02:35:02.546
it has come to our attention that the fire hydrants located on the

3091
02:35:02.566 --> 02:35:06.476
property at 26688 Ryan Road are currently

3092
02:35:06.546 --> 02:35:09.656
inoperable for fire protection purposes.

3093
02:35:10.276 --> 02:35:11.926
These hydrants are supplied by

3094
02:35:12.906 --> 02:35:16.286
an eight-inch water main situated along the east property

3095
02:35:16.366 --> 02:35:20.046
line, which provides both fire protection and portable water

3096
02:35:20.146 --> 02:35:23.436
services to the site. At the time of the property's original

3097
02:35:23.506 --> 02:35:27.486
construction, the water main serving these

3098
02:35:27.526 --> 02:35:31.046
hydrants was installed without an easement granted to the city.

3099
02:35:32.146 --> 02:35:35.946
Consequently, this system is classified as a private water

3100
02:35:36.066 --> 02:35:40.056
system. As the property owner, you are responsible for raising or

3101
02:35:40.086 --> 02:35:43.656
repairing the hydrants to the appropriate elevation and

3102
02:35:43.706 --> 02:35:47.226
ensuring they are fully operational for use by the fire

3103
02:35:47.246 --> 02:35:49.426
department in the event of an emergency.

3104
02:35:50.176 --> 02:35:53.766
Specification for the required work may be obtained from

3105
02:35:53.806 --> 02:35:55.886
engineering division or water division.

3106
02:35:56.415 --> 02:35:59.855
All repairs must be performed by a licensed contractor,

3107
02:36:00.506 --> 02:36:04.195
and a permit must be secured through the engineering division prior to

3108
02:36:04.246 --> 02:36:08.186
the commencement of any work. Please contact my office if you

3109
02:36:09.026 --> 02:36:11.206
require further information. Thank you.

3110
02:36:11.446 --> 02:36:15.106
David Koss, superintendent, City of Warren Water

3111
02:36:15.166 --> 02:36:16.106
Division." Thank you.

3112
02:36:16.706 --> 02:36:19.226
Thanks, Madam Secretary. Planning director's recommendation.

3113
02:36:30.826 --> 02:36:33.926
All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows.

3114
02:36:34.006 --> 02:36:35.266
It is recommended that the

3115
02:36:36.306 --> 02:36:39.806
site plan for the community center and K12

3116
02:36:40.426 --> 02:36:43.986
religious education center be approved with the

3117
02:36:44.086 --> 02:36:47.516
standard conditions of the planning commission, and more

3118
02:36:47.526 --> 02:36:51.406
specifically, number 1, five copies of revised site

3119
02:36:51.466 --> 02:36:54.166
plans shall be submitted indicating the following.

3120
02:36:54.906 --> 02:36:58.246
1A, a note shall be provided on the site plan

3121
02:36:58.866 --> 02:37:02.366
stating all outdoor retail sales of items

3122
02:37:02.686 --> 02:37:05.846
shall be prohibited on the site. 1B,

3123
02:37:06.986 --> 02:37:10.606
update drawing note number two and replace

3124
02:37:11.626 --> 02:37:13.646
City of Troy with the City of Warren.

3125
02:37:14.606 --> 02:37:18.346
1C, add the dimensions of the existing building

3126
02:37:18.886 --> 02:37:22.366
and the entire parking area to the site plan.

3127
02:37:24.706 --> 02:37:28.686
1D, provide the parking space dimensions on

3128
02:37:28.706 --> 02:37:32.166
the site plan. Internal parking spaces shall measure

3129
02:37:33.246 --> 02:37:37.186
9 by 20, and the parking spaces along

3130
02:37:37.206 --> 02:37:39.286
the property line shall be measuring

3131
02:37:40.366 --> 02:37:44.006
9 by 22. The maneuvering lanes between

3132
02:37:44.066 --> 02:37:47.666
parking rows shall be 22 feet in width.

3133
02:37:48.906 --> 02:37:52.066
1E, a note shall be provided on the site plan

3134
02:37:52.886 --> 02:37:56.526
that existing metal shopping cart corral

3135
02:37:56.706 --> 02:37:57.966
will be removed.

3136
02:37:58.966 --> 02:38:01.986
1F, a note shall be provided on the site plan

3137
02:38:02.686 --> 02:38:03.086
stating

3138
02:38:03.966 --> 02:38:07.866
open storage of materials shall not be permitted on the site.

3139
02:38:08.926 --> 02:38:12.426
1G, one parking space shall be

3140
02:38:12.506 --> 02:38:15.066
removed that has a large

3141
02:38:15.646 --> 02:38:17.226
sign pylon

3142
02:38:18.046 --> 02:38:21.506
within it along the west property line. That's Ryan Road.

3143
02:38:22.406 --> 02:38:25.686
The space shall be cross-hatched and noted on the site.

3144
02:38:27.746 --> 02:38:31.536
1H, a note shall be provided stating all lighting on the

3145
02:38:31.606 --> 02:38:35.346
site shall be shielded and not encroach upon abutting properties.

3146
02:38:35.946 --> 02:38:39.106
The light fixture's pole and base shall

3147
02:38:41.066 --> 02:38:44.966
be no higher than 20 feet as

3148
02:38:45.086 --> 02:38:48.986
measured from the top of the light fixture to the bottom of the base at

3149
02:38:49.026 --> 02:38:52.866
the ground level.All glare shall be eliminated

3150
02:38:52.926 --> 02:38:56.676
from the light fixtures. Upward-directed lighting shall not

3151
02:38:56.706 --> 02:38:57.586
be permitted.

3152
02:38:59.326 --> 02:39:03.246
1I, the east driveway on 11 Mile Road

3153
02:39:03.266 --> 02:39:06.186
shall have the west concrete radii

3154
02:39:06.826 --> 02:39:10.786
increased in width by two feet from the street curb

3155
02:39:11.066 --> 02:39:12.446
to the public sidewalk

3156
02:39:13.406 --> 02:39:16.366
and be indicated on the site plan.

3157
02:39:17.926 --> 02:39:18.346
1J,

3158
02:39:20.126 --> 02:39:23.406
the existing three or four-foot-high wall

3159
02:39:24.206 --> 02:39:27.906
along the east property line shall be

3160
02:39:27.986 --> 02:39:31.966
replaced to match the existing six-foot-high

3161
02:39:32.086 --> 02:39:35.766
brick embossed poured concrete wall along the

3162
02:39:35.866 --> 02:39:39.486
south property line. The existing wall is in poor

3163
02:39:40.986 --> 02:39:41.566
condition.

3164
02:39:45.026 --> 02:39:45.426
Okay.

3165
02:39:46.486 --> 02:39:46.886
1K,

3166
02:39:47.726 --> 02:39:51.706
a section of the poured concrete wall measuring eight

3167
02:39:51.806 --> 02:39:55.425
feet in length and three feet in height located at the west

3168
02:39:55.746 --> 02:39:59.446
end of the six-foot-high brick embossed poured

3169
02:39:59.506 --> 02:40:02.906
concrete wall along the south property line projects

3170
02:40:03.126 --> 02:40:05.966
into the side setback area,

3171
02:40:06.806 --> 02:40:10.466
and that's along Ryan Road. The wall section shall be removed

3172
02:40:10.606 --> 02:40:12.546
and noted on the site plan.

3173
02:40:13.366 --> 02:40:16.866
1L, all landscaping, that's all trees and grass,

3174
02:40:17.346 --> 02:40:21.166
shall be indicated on the plan. 1M, each

3175
02:40:22.406 --> 02:40:26.146
trash enclosure shall be provided with gates and

3176
02:40:26.206 --> 02:40:27.865
noted on the site plan.

3177
02:40:30.626 --> 02:40:34.446
Condition number two, per an inspection of

3178
02:40:34.506 --> 02:40:35.526
the site, the planning

3179
02:40:36.486 --> 02:40:40.106
staff observed two fire hydrants near the east

3180
02:40:40.426 --> 02:40:43.106
wall area that were sunken into the ground.

3181
02:40:43.536 --> 02:40:47.126
The fire marshal, Daniel Doherty, responded as follows.

3182
02:40:48.406 --> 02:40:52.236
And I get to read all this, but I think Mahmud has already talked about

3183
02:40:52.286 --> 02:40:54.766
the fire. I'll read it.

3184
02:40:55.866 --> 02:40:57.206
Regarding the proposed site

3185
02:40:58.026 --> 02:40:58.406
plan

3186
02:40:59.566 --> 02:41:02.706
for the property located at 26680

3187
02:41:03.186 --> 02:41:07.166
Ryan Road, there are existing fire hydrants located

3188
02:41:07.206 --> 02:41:10.906
within the alley that must be brought into compliance prior

3189
02:41:10.966 --> 02:41:13.726
to disabling the fire suppressant system.

3190
02:41:14.326 --> 02:41:18.026
City of Warren is currently operating under the

3191
02:41:18.206 --> 02:41:21.966
2021 International Fire Code, IFC, which

3192
02:41:22.066 --> 02:41:25.886
refers with references NFPA

3193
02:41:26.106 --> 02:41:29.926
24. Chapter 7 of NFPA

3194
02:41:30.066 --> 02:41:33.646
24 governs the installation of private

3195
02:41:33.766 --> 02:41:37.186
fire hydrants and requires the centerline of the

3196
02:41:37.206 --> 02:41:40.866
discharge port to be 18 inches above

3197
02:41:40.906 --> 02:41:44.026
grade, along with a minimum 36-inch

3198
02:41:44.146 --> 02:41:46.206
clearance around the hydrant.

3199
02:41:49.606 --> 02:41:52.986
The hydrants currently do not meet the requirements.

3200
02:41:53.066 --> 02:41:56.746
They are set too low and do not maintain the required

3201
02:41:56.806 --> 02:41:59.666
clearance due to the installation of bollards.

3202
02:42:00.466 --> 02:42:04.226
These hydrants are required by code to remain in their current

3203
02:42:04.306 --> 02:42:07.866
locations to protect fire protection for the

3204
02:42:07.926 --> 02:42:11.856
building. As a result, the hydrants must be repaired

3205
02:42:11.886 --> 02:42:15.526
and reset in compliance with code requirements

3206
02:42:15.546 --> 02:42:19.346
prior to the fire suppressant system being

3207
02:42:19.406 --> 02:42:20.786
disabled for

3208
02:42:21.706 --> 02:42:25.246
renovations. David Koss, the superintendent of the water

3209
02:42:25.286 --> 02:42:28.486
division, was contacted regarding the fire hydrant

3210
02:42:28.566 --> 02:42:32.166
concerns. Mr. Koss in turn

3211
02:42:33.146 --> 02:42:36.746
quickly had the hydrants inspected on May

3212
02:42:37.106 --> 02:42:41.046
7th, 2026. It was found that the hydrants are privately

3213
02:42:41.126 --> 02:42:44.966
owned and irregardless of ownership, the hydrants shall

3214
02:42:45.046 --> 02:42:48.506
be adjusted to code requirements.

3215
02:42:48.566 --> 02:42:52.405
It is the property owner's responsibility to bring the

3216
02:42:52.446 --> 02:42:53.846
hydrants into compliance.

3217
02:42:55.026 --> 02:42:57.026
Mr. Koss is checking with the city

3218
02:42:57.926 --> 02:43:00.366
if help may be offered for

3219
02:43:01.246 --> 02:43:04.366
necessary adjustments, and he found out there

3220
02:43:05.726 --> 02:43:06.526
will not be any

3221
02:43:09.146 --> 02:43:10.106
help in that regard.

3222
02:43:11.506 --> 02:43:15.466
Condition number three, the following variances may need to be obtained from the

3223
02:43:15.506 --> 02:43:19.446
Zoning Board of Appeals prior to the release of the site plan to

3224
02:43:19.486 --> 02:43:20.406
the building division.

3225
02:43:21.906 --> 02:43:25.326
That is, A, to retain the driveway approaches

3226
02:43:25.946 --> 02:43:29.766
on both Ryan Road and 11 Mile Road, less

3227
02:43:29.806 --> 02:43:33.766
than 500 feet from the major intersection of 11

3228
02:43:33.826 --> 02:43:36.386
Mile Road and Ryan Road, per

3229
02:43:37.346 --> 02:43:40.586
section 5.11,

3230
02:43:41.226 --> 02:43:42.126
number three.

3231
02:43:43.626 --> 02:43:43.906
Note,

3232
02:43:45.766 --> 02:43:48.586
planning staff has considered the fact that all three

3233
02:43:48.766 --> 02:43:51.686
driveways are not in compliance with section

3234
02:43:52.326 --> 02:43:56.006
5.11 (3) . The initial design of this

3235
02:43:56.066 --> 02:43:59.506
site was for a retail strip center that

3236
02:43:59.866 --> 02:44:02.866
required the now existing driveways.

3237
02:44:03.546 --> 02:44:03.746
It is

3238
02:44:04.786 --> 02:44:08.246
the proposed use that requires

3239
02:44:08.266 --> 02:44:11.106
driveways to be 500 feet from the major

3240
02:44:11.186 --> 02:44:15.026
intersection on a parcel to reduce traffic

3241
02:44:15.246 --> 02:44:15.966
congestion.

3242
02:44:16.946 --> 02:44:20.486
The petitioner should remove the two

3243
02:44:20.526 --> 02:44:23.886
driveways closest to the major intersection

3244
02:44:24.966 --> 02:44:28.506
on each roadway, leaving the remaining driveways

3245
02:44:28.946 --> 02:44:32.406
that will still both require a variance.

3246
02:44:34.286 --> 02:44:37.786
B, retain 31% lot

3247
02:44:37.966 --> 02:44:41.826
coverage when 30% maximum is allowed per section

3248
02:44:42.226 --> 02:44:44.126
511, number seven.

3249
02:44:45.046 --> 02:44:48.566
And C, to retain the existing parking lots

3250
02:44:49.686 --> 02:44:53.676
that are located nine feet from the north, that's

3251
02:44:53.746 --> 02:44:57.666
11 Mile Road property line, and 15.4 feet

3252
02:44:58.086 --> 02:45:00.746
from the west, that's Ryan Road property line.

3253
02:45:01.546 --> 02:45:04.886
If approved, the variances shall be added to the

3254
02:45:04.946 --> 02:45:07.742
revised site plan.And

3255
02:45:08.682 --> 02:45:12.462
number four, a performance bond in the

3256
02:45:12.502 --> 02:45:15.742
amount of $15,000 shall be posted

3257
02:45:16.162 --> 02:45:20.002
according to the estimated cost of $500,000

3258
02:45:20.082 --> 02:45:22.402
by the petitioner. So with that, Mr.

3259
02:45:22.642 --> 02:45:25.902
Chair, the recommendation has been submitted. Thank you.

3260
02:45:26.042 --> 02:45:27.862
Thank you, Mr. Ward. This is a public hearing.

3261
02:45:27.942 --> 02:45:30.942
If anybody would like to come and speak on this item, please come up, state your

3262
02:45:30.982 --> 02:45:33.162
name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to

3263
02:45:33.242 --> 02:45:34.982
speak.

3264
02:45:42.002 --> 02:45:42.682
My name is-

3265
02:45:43.122 --> 02:45:43.152
Good evening

3266
02:45:43.152 --> 02:45:46.902
... Susan Heath, and I live at 26760 Daniella

3267
02:45:46.982 --> 02:45:50.382
Drive, in the condos right behind where they want to put this

3268
02:45:51.302 --> 02:45:52.621
school and banquet center.

3269
02:45:53.622 --> 02:45:54.302
And I

3270
02:45:56.242 --> 02:45:58.042
guess I want to know how my taxes are going to be

3271
02:46:01.002 --> 02:46:04.882
raised because of the school. If they

3272
02:46:04.902 --> 02:46:07.862
have a bond issue or whatever, my taxes are going to go up.

3273
02:46:07.962 --> 02:46:10.622
So I already pay enough taxes, I don't want to pay more taxes.

3274
02:46:11.222 --> 02:46:12.542
So I have an issue with taxes

3275
02:46:13.522 --> 02:46:17.242
potentially going up even more because of this community

3276
02:46:17.322 --> 02:46:20.202
center and the school education center.

3277
02:46:21.042 --> 02:46:23.502
And then I'd like to know about parking.

3278
02:46:23.582 --> 02:46:27.132
If you're having a banquet center, do you have adequate parking now?

3279
02:46:27.282 --> 02:46:30.942
Because part of that parking lot, is it going to be maintained for

3280
02:46:31.022 --> 02:46:34.322
the Dollar Store? Is it still going to be there?

3281
02:46:34.762 --> 02:46:34.892
Yes, ma'am.

3282
02:46:34.892 --> 02:46:37.072
So, do you have enough adequate parking?

3283
02:46:37.142 --> 02:46:40.382
Because if not, then it's going to overflow into my street, into my neighborhood,

3284
02:46:40.422 --> 02:46:41.442
so I have an issue with that.

3285
02:46:43.082 --> 02:46:46.982
And then I'd like to know how traffic is going to be impacted in my

3286
02:46:47.042 --> 02:46:50.102
area now because of the banquet center and the school.

3287
02:46:57.502 --> 02:46:58.242
Those are my issues.

3288
02:46:58.642 --> 02:46:59.102
Thank you, ma'am.

3289
02:47:00.342 --> 02:47:00.702
Thank you.

3290
02:47:03.162 --> 02:47:03.592
May I please come down?

3291
02:47:03.592 --> 02:47:05.002
Would anyone else like to speak on this item?

3292
02:47:10.082 --> 02:47:10.442
Good evening.

3293
02:47:10.602 --> 02:47:13.662
Hi, my name is Evangela Irvin, and I'm at

3294
02:47:13.822 --> 02:47:16.142
4305 John Paul Court.

3295
02:47:17.022 --> 02:47:20.862
And to add to taxes, I would like information about

3296
02:47:20.922 --> 02:47:24.082
how we think it might affect our taxes and parking.

3297
02:47:24.122 --> 02:47:24.762
In addition to that,

3298
02:47:25.922 --> 02:47:26.782
I'm concerned about

3299
02:47:29.002 --> 02:47:31.361
if they're planning on having school buses, traffic.

3300
02:47:31.522 --> 02:47:32.462
I'm talking about

3301
02:47:34.142 --> 02:47:35.342
trash in the area,

3302
02:47:36.242 --> 02:47:39.622
and I'd like to know how large it's going to be.

3303
02:47:39.682 --> 02:47:40.732
How many

3304
02:47:42.522 --> 02:47:42.872
students

3305
02:47:44.182 --> 02:47:44.922
are we looking at?

3306
02:47:46.702 --> 02:47:49.682
And what grade levels? And are you going to have an outdoor

3307
02:47:51.582 --> 02:47:54.752
play area? Okay, so school buses, trash, noise,

3308
02:47:56.302 --> 02:47:59.282
and an outdoor play area. Those are my concerns.

3309
02:47:59.622 --> 02:48:00.562
All right. Thank you, ma'am.

3310
02:48:02.722 --> 02:48:04.742
Anyone else like to speak on this item?

3311
02:48:09.122 --> 02:48:10.522
Seeing no one, turn over to commission.

3312
02:48:12.602 --> 02:48:14.222
Motion to approve with discussion, Mori.

3313
02:48:15.082 --> 02:48:18.042
I support it. Mr. Chair, I support it.

3314
02:48:19.282 --> 02:48:22.462
We have a motion by Commissioner Mori, supported by Commissioner Holt. Go ahead.

3315
02:48:23.662 --> 02:48:25.502
If I may have the petitioner come up.

3316
02:48:27.582 --> 02:48:31.002
I know you mentioned the fact that this is an after-school program, so can you walk

3317
02:48:31.042 --> 02:48:34.962
me a little bit more on what are the hours of operation for the after-school

3318
02:48:35.042 --> 02:48:35.862
program's going to look like?

3319
02:48:37.842 --> 02:48:38.202
Yes. So

3320
02:48:39.222 --> 02:48:39.822
it's going to be open

3321
02:48:41.562 --> 02:48:42.062
excuse me,

3322
02:48:43.242 --> 02:48:46.562
from 4:30 PM to about 8:30 PM. During

3323
02:48:46.782 --> 02:48:50.762
weekends and holidays, then the intended

3324
02:48:50.822 --> 02:48:53.562
program would be about 11:00 AM to about 7:00 PM.

3325
02:48:56.402 --> 02:48:56.602
Okay.

3326
02:48:56.692 --> 02:48:57.222
And there's no

3327
02:48:58.262 --> 02:49:01.242
school buses or anything like that, just parents coming off, dropping their kids

3328
02:49:01.262 --> 02:49:02.122
for a couple of hours.

3329
02:49:04.102 --> 02:49:04.602
That's about it.

3330
02:49:06.602 --> 02:49:09.342
What about the parking situation? So the parents are dropping them off.

3331
02:49:09.382 --> 02:49:13.102
I'm assuming the kids are not driving there, unless it's 11th and 12th

3332
02:49:13.122 --> 02:49:16.922
graders, which might not be. So, do you have enough

3333
02:49:16.962 --> 02:49:18.812
parking for that facility?

3334
02:49:19.122 --> 02:49:21.722
We do, yeah. It's on our site plan, actually.

3335
02:49:24.502 --> 02:49:28.202
But that is

3336
02:49:28.241 --> 02:49:31.942
assured that the parking has been thoroughly calculated according

3337
02:49:32.002 --> 02:49:33.782
to the zoning and the use.

3338
02:49:35.162 --> 02:49:39.022
And we actually have quite a bit more than we need, I think.

3339
02:49:40.102 --> 02:49:42.562
Yeah. So 132 required parking spaces.

3340
02:49:42.622 --> 02:49:45.602
We have 205, including 10 ADA.

3341
02:49:46.382 --> 02:49:49.802
Okay. What are the hours and operations going to be for the banquet hall?

3342
02:49:52.522 --> 02:49:56.402
Well, that I imagine would

3343
02:49:56.442 --> 02:49:57.312
be something that

3344
02:49:57.362 --> 02:50:01.372
changes.

3345
02:50:01.442 --> 02:50:04.802
It's not something that's running on a regular schedule.

3346
02:50:05.742 --> 02:50:09.572
But the events that are intended to be in that space would

3347
02:50:09.622 --> 02:50:11.022
be things like birthday parties,

3348
02:50:11.882 --> 02:50:14.672
interscholastic competitions for the kids,

3349
02:50:16.042 --> 02:50:16.762
things of that nature.

3350
02:50:19.462 --> 02:50:20.342
Okay. Thank you.

3351
02:50:20.722 --> 02:50:21.022
Thank you.

3352
02:50:21.502 --> 02:50:21.682
Yes.

3353
02:50:22.122 --> 02:50:22.662
Commissioner Hawk.

3354
02:50:22.962 --> 02:50:23.282
Yes.

3355
02:50:25.642 --> 02:50:29.562
Mr. Petitioner, do you understand all the requirement by the planning

3356
02:50:29.622 --> 02:50:30.162
department?

3357
02:50:31.062 --> 02:50:31.302
Yes.

3358
02:50:32.102 --> 02:50:33.582
So are you agree with all of them?

3359
02:50:34.022 --> 02:50:37.772
Yes. Yeah, we do. The only two things that, as

3360
02:50:38.242 --> 02:50:41.762
that was mentioned in the recommendation was the variances on the

3361
02:50:41.782 --> 02:50:45.682
parking and the removal of the driveways, which we'll

3362
02:50:45.742 --> 02:50:49.582
have to pursue that with the ZBA to try to get variances on those.

3363
02:50:49.642 --> 02:50:51.902
So are you agree with the planning department?

3364
02:50:52.022 --> 02:50:54.292
So you want to go for ZBA hearing, right?

3365
02:50:54.462 --> 02:50:54.682
Yes.

3366
02:50:54.942 --> 02:50:55.722
Okay.

3367
02:50:56.122 --> 02:50:56.282
Yep.

3368
02:51:03.762 --> 02:51:04.982
Are you done, Commissioner Hawk?

3369
02:51:06.462 --> 02:51:06.962
Yes. As

3370
02:51:07.802 --> 02:51:11.472
long as they are okay with all the recommendation, so they're

3371
02:51:11.522 --> 02:51:11.882
agree

3372
02:51:12.922 --> 02:51:16.706
and-And so there is no buses,

3373
02:51:16.806 --> 02:51:16.926
right?

3374
02:51:17.146 --> 02:51:17.846
No buses.

3375
02:51:17.956 --> 02:51:18.366
No buses, and

3376
02:51:20.486 --> 02:51:22.905
student will drop off by their parents, right?

3377
02:51:23.086 --> 02:51:23.306
Yes.

3378
02:51:23.606 --> 02:51:23.966
Okay.

3379
02:51:25.906 --> 02:51:29.266
And I have a question about some neighbors

3380
02:51:30.206 --> 02:51:33.886
raised concern about the taxes. So I don't know, what is

3381
02:51:33.946 --> 02:51:37.506
the issue related to the taxes of the school?

3382
02:51:39.126 --> 02:51:42.026
Why the taxes are going to be raised, I have no idea.

3383
02:51:43.406 --> 02:51:45.546
Well, if there's a bond issue-

3384
02:51:45.666 --> 02:51:46.866
Ma'am. Ma'am.

3385
02:51:46.945 --> 02:51:48.306
Yes. I can ask-

3386
02:51:49.066 --> 02:51:49.596
The commission has to-

3387
02:51:49.596 --> 02:51:51.056
... the planning department. So do we have any-

3388
02:51:51.086 --> 02:51:52.046
Have to handle that part.

3389
02:51:54.096 --> 02:51:54.635
Oh, okay

3390
02:51:54.726 --> 02:51:58.106
Can you give us little explanation on anything?

3391
02:52:02.366 --> 02:52:03.135
I don't think there is.

3392
02:52:03.135 --> 02:52:04.346
There is no bond.

3393
02:52:04.506 --> 02:52:06.926
There is no bond issue at that school.

3394
02:52:08.046 --> 02:52:12.006
No. The planning department doesn't have anything to do

3395
02:52:12.046 --> 02:52:14.366
with taxes or how they're dispensed.

3396
02:52:15.056 --> 02:52:17.455
You'll have to get someone from the assessing department

3397
02:52:18.326 --> 02:52:19.425
to answer that question.

3398
02:52:19.986 --> 02:52:23.966
Yeah. I believe there is no impact on the taxes, the

3399
02:52:24.086 --> 02:52:24.906
school area.

3400
02:52:27.646 --> 02:52:28.085
Mayor.

3401
02:52:29.246 --> 02:52:29.506
Hold on.

3402
02:52:29.846 --> 02:52:31.225
This would be a private?

3403
02:52:33.586 --> 02:52:33.646
Right.

3404
02:52:33.746 --> 02:52:35.736
It's a private educational center, correct?

3405
02:52:35.736 --> 02:52:39.586
This is private. It's not-for-profit, so

3406
02:52:39.626 --> 02:52:41.086
it's just free programming for kids.

3407
02:52:41.126 --> 02:52:44.846
Private, so legally you cannot go out to the voters for a bond proposal.

3408
02:52:45.526 --> 02:52:45.536
No.

3409
02:52:45.536 --> 02:52:46.966
So there wouldn't be any increase-

3410
02:52:47.726 --> 02:52:48.126
Exactly

3411
02:52:48.486 --> 02:52:50.226
... through any proposal.

3412
02:52:51.546 --> 02:52:51.806
Thanks.

3413
02:52:52.866 --> 02:52:53.766
Mr. Chair.

3414
02:52:53.826 --> 02:52:54.506
So to answer your

3415
02:52:55.406 --> 02:52:58.866
question, there shouldn't be any taxes increase for that.

3416
02:52:59.906 --> 02:53:01.086
Plus, it's a private

3417
02:53:03.486 --> 02:53:06.846
organization that's doing it. You're not really changing the building too much,

3418
02:53:06.906 --> 02:53:10.296
you're just adding some educational area and some banquet areas,

3419
02:53:10.986 --> 02:53:11.866
and therefore...

3420
02:53:15.006 --> 02:53:16.856
There's a couple of... I don't know if anybody else has something to say.

3421
02:53:16.926 --> 02:53:19.365
I'll let them say that as I make my other questions.

3422
02:53:20.066 --> 02:53:20.306
But

3423
02:53:22.046 --> 02:53:23.566
would anybody else have anything else to say?

3424
02:53:23.786 --> 02:53:24.306
Mr. Chair,

3425
02:53:25.225 --> 02:53:25.436
may I please?

3426
02:53:25.445 --> 02:53:26.126
I can't hear you.

3427
02:53:26.706 --> 02:53:27.566
Mr. Chair, can I please?

3428
02:53:28.386 --> 02:53:28.666
Go ahead.

3429
02:53:30.286 --> 02:53:31.366
From my understanding,

3430
02:53:32.326 --> 02:53:36.026
so far I know that only public school, they

3431
02:53:36.786 --> 02:53:37.646
get that tax

3432
02:53:38.626 --> 02:53:42.526
from the residents. But as a nonprofit and private, so I don't think

3433
02:53:42.566 --> 02:53:45.806
it'll be impact any neighbors for the tax issue.

3434
02:53:46.466 --> 02:53:48.666
So that is my understanding, if I'm not wrong.

3435
02:53:50.346 --> 02:53:53.686
And I have a question for planning department director.

3436
02:53:53.926 --> 02:53:55.006
A few question, please.

3437
02:54:04.306 --> 02:54:05.166
Yes, sir.

3438
02:54:05.246 --> 02:54:07.946
Yes, sir. I see that a variance is there,

3439
02:54:09.186 --> 02:54:10.646
variance number A

3440
02:54:11.786 --> 02:54:12.786
for, what you call,

3441
02:54:13.986 --> 02:54:17.966
500 feet, we have a two driveway. Is there any other option that if we close

3442
02:54:18.066 --> 02:54:21.866
one driveway on 11 mile side, so this

3443
02:54:21.886 --> 02:54:24.546
variance will be removed from that recommendation?

3444
02:54:25.146 --> 02:54:25.306
No.

3445
02:54:26.866 --> 02:54:27.226
Okay.

3446
02:54:28.166 --> 02:54:32.046
All four driveways need a variance separately.

3447
02:54:32.286 --> 02:54:33.146
All four of them.

3448
02:54:33.286 --> 02:54:36.646
And the only reason we're asking for the two,

3449
02:54:37.146 --> 02:54:37.986
it'll reduce

3450
02:54:38.986 --> 02:54:42.106
it from four to two variances on

3451
02:54:43.246 --> 02:54:45.266
driveways, and

3452
02:54:46.706 --> 02:54:49.846
those two are closest to the intersection.

3453
02:54:50.046 --> 02:54:51.826
As a matter of fact, the one on Ryan Road-

3454
02:54:51.926 --> 02:54:52.306
Yeah

3455
02:54:52.316 --> 02:54:54.166
... is particularly bad.

3456
02:54:54.186 --> 02:54:54.966
Yeah.

3457
02:54:55.006 --> 02:54:55.246
But

3458
02:54:56.426 --> 02:54:58.346
anyway, so that was our suggestion.

3459
02:54:59.006 --> 02:55:02.756
But if they want to try to get a variance for all four,

3460
02:55:03.626 --> 02:55:04.306
they can do that.

3461
02:55:05.366 --> 02:55:07.146
Is the chicken strip staying there?

3462
02:55:07.226 --> 02:55:10.286
Ma'am, the public hearing part is over, so

3463
02:55:11.466 --> 02:55:12.876
all the questions have to be directed to here.

3464
02:55:12.876 --> 02:55:14.666
Also, I'm trying to understand

3465
02:55:16.266 --> 02:55:19.686
variance B, to retain 31% lot

3466
02:55:19.726 --> 02:55:22.816
coverage when 30% maximum is allowed

3467
02:55:23.466 --> 02:55:27.366
per section 5117. Can you please explain me

3468
02:55:27.646 --> 02:55:31.626
little more about it? Is there any way can we remove this one from variance?

3469
02:55:31.686 --> 02:55:34.326
You'd have to reduce part of the building

3470
02:55:36.205 --> 02:55:38.046
to a certain amount of...

3471
02:55:41.306 --> 02:55:45.086
1% of the building would have to be removed to make it

3472
02:55:45.266 --> 02:55:47.146
30%, which would be

3473
02:55:48.786 --> 02:55:51.386
the maximum you can possibly have on a site.

3474
02:55:53.346 --> 02:55:55.646
I don't know that they're going to be doing that.

3475
02:55:57.706 --> 02:55:58.506
Yeah. Thank you.

3476
02:56:00.126 --> 02:56:01.946
Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this?

3477
02:56:02.286 --> 02:56:03.666
Mr. Chairman, if I may?

3478
02:56:04.386 --> 02:56:06.516
Go ahead, Mr. Casey.

3479
02:56:06.566 --> 02:56:09.966
I was on this board when we approved Oak Ridge to go into that

3480
02:56:10.046 --> 02:56:11.946
area, and we were thrilled about it.

3481
02:56:12.326 --> 02:56:12.896
I was hoping

3482
02:56:14.766 --> 02:56:18.166
some sort of grocery, retail shop would come in there

3483
02:56:18.306 --> 02:56:21.686
after. But the questions that I have,

3484
02:56:24.566 --> 02:56:28.506
this says a community center, and you're

3485
02:56:28.566 --> 02:56:30.446
saying that you're going to have a banquet center.

3486
02:56:31.326 --> 02:56:31.726
So

3487
02:56:32.706 --> 02:56:34.386
I don't think it's the same thing,

3488
02:56:35.906 --> 02:56:36.886
but are you putting

3489
02:56:37.886 --> 02:56:40.546
stoves and freezers and the rest of it in there

3490
02:56:41.486 --> 02:56:43.106
to do your own cooking or what?

3491
02:56:43.586 --> 02:56:45.266
So the answer to that is no.

3492
02:56:46.866 --> 02:56:50.486
Let me clarify. When I say banquet hall, it's just sort of a hall.

3493
02:56:51.106 --> 02:56:53.776
There's no commercial kitchen

3494
02:56:54.766 --> 02:56:56.066
or freezers in the building.

3495
02:56:57.766 --> 02:57:01.566
They're just pantries, I think, and that's what they'll be

3496
02:57:01.606 --> 02:57:02.766
kept as.

3497
02:57:04.146 --> 02:57:05.406
And then your other point was... Yeah.

3498
02:57:05.466 --> 02:57:08.446
So it is a community center because they're supposed to kind of feed off each

3499
02:57:08.506 --> 02:57:12.406
other. So the kids that are coming to the afterschool programs, there's a community

3500
02:57:12.546 --> 02:57:16.406
there, and they're going to be having whatever events in the hall next door.

3501
02:57:17.206 --> 02:57:21.086
Okay. So all this is inside. You're

3502
02:57:21.126 --> 02:57:24.890
not going outsideOther than maybe a walk around the

3503
02:57:24.950 --> 02:57:26.090
building with the kids

3504
02:57:26.670 --> 02:57:30.190
Nothing's happening outside. So actually, we thought that it would just be

3505
02:57:30.290 --> 02:57:31.010
a

3506
02:57:32.410 --> 02:57:35.640
building department kind of a change, because nothing on the site, nothing on the

3507
02:57:35.730 --> 02:57:37.890
building is changing on the exterior.

3508
02:57:37.990 --> 02:57:38.370
Okay.

3509
02:57:38.630 --> 02:57:40.810
But just because of the use change.

3510
02:57:41.110 --> 02:57:44.790
So the use change is triggering the kind of driveway situation that we talked

3511
02:57:44.830 --> 02:57:45.010
about-

3512
02:57:45.090 --> 02:57:47.250
Well, yeah, I understand that.

3513
02:57:47.690 --> 02:57:48.020
That's, yeah.

3514
02:57:48.050 --> 02:57:51.310
And that goes with the 500 feet and so on and so forth.

3515
02:57:51.390 --> 02:57:51.510
Yeah.

3516
02:57:51.800 --> 02:57:53.050
And the one on Ryan, I

3517
02:57:54.570 --> 02:57:58.130
hope if you're going to change any of them, change the one on Ryan first.

3518
02:57:58.790 --> 02:58:02.710
Because the amount of times that I see people going into that driveway instead of

3519
02:58:02.790 --> 02:58:04.990
the chicken shack driveway is ridiculous.

3520
02:58:06.170 --> 02:58:07.410
But that being said,

3521
02:58:09.310 --> 02:58:11.040
are you going to have any

3522
02:58:11.870 --> 02:58:13.140
speakers outside?

3523
02:58:15.230 --> 02:58:16.150
No.

3524
02:58:16.530 --> 02:58:20.250
To either produce noise, to call people to whatever.

3525
02:58:20.810 --> 02:58:21.890
No speakers will be outside.

3526
02:58:22.950 --> 02:58:23.330
Okay.

3527
02:58:24.830 --> 02:58:26.850
Well, I wish you luck.

3528
02:58:29.130 --> 02:58:32.650
I'm not a fan of this, but I wish you luck, and we'll leave it at that.

3529
02:58:33.050 --> 02:58:33.770
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3530
02:58:33.950 --> 02:58:34.930
Thank you, sir. Anyone else?

3531
02:58:37.670 --> 02:58:40.650
To the petitioner. Good evening again, sir.

3532
02:58:41.230 --> 02:58:44.590
One of the concerns I had about the fire hydrants, because they're private fire

3533
02:58:44.630 --> 02:58:45.070
hydrants-

3534
02:58:45.450 --> 02:58:45.550
Yeah

3535
02:58:45.790 --> 02:58:47.390
... and they have to be brought up to code.

3536
02:58:49.390 --> 02:58:53.190
I don't know what the expense would be for that, but you're going to be obligated

3537
02:58:53.230 --> 02:58:53.810
to do that.

3538
02:58:54.990 --> 02:58:58.750
And we already got a note from the city saying that they're not going to

3539
02:58:58.790 --> 02:59:00.090
help with that. So,

3540
02:59:01.070 --> 02:59:02.840
I don't know if the bond may have to be

3541
02:59:02.910 --> 02:59:05.970
redone,

3542
02:59:06.810 --> 02:59:08.970
because I don't know how much more expense that would be.

3543
02:59:10.230 --> 02:59:11.590
So that's something we'd have to look into.

3544
02:59:12.810 --> 02:59:16.530
Because when you're dealing with the underground water systems and bringing

3545
02:59:16.570 --> 02:59:17.050
everything up-

3546
02:59:17.590 --> 02:59:18.270
Yeah

3547
02:59:18.330 --> 02:59:22.050
... it could get, I'm not saying it could, it is, but it could get expensive.

3548
02:59:23.650 --> 02:59:24.530
The other thing is,

3549
02:59:25.930 --> 02:59:29.830
when you have in the banquet center or the hall where...

3550
02:59:30.929 --> 02:59:31.149
Is

3551
02:59:32.410 --> 02:59:36.090
there a capacity on the number of people who could be in there?

3552
02:59:36.730 --> 02:59:39.890
In terms of the code? The building code?

3553
02:59:40.090 --> 02:59:40.210
Yeah.

3554
02:59:40.270 --> 02:59:40.430
Yeah.

3555
02:59:41.070 --> 02:59:42.810
Yeah, we have it somewhere.

3556
02:59:45.430 --> 02:59:47.390
It's on the plan here.

3557
02:59:53.150 --> 02:59:53.490
I think

3558
02:59:56.430 --> 02:59:59.450
it's 1,300 people. 1310.

3559
03:00:00.770 --> 03:00:01.140
800.

3560
03:00:01.140 --> 03:00:01.810
800, okay. 800.

3561
03:00:01.950 --> 03:00:02.499
800 people?

3562
03:00:02.970 --> 03:00:05.100
Yes. 800 people. Yes, I got it. Yep.

3563
03:00:07.130 --> 03:00:11.010
So if they have an event there, and being the dollar store is next door,

3564
03:00:12.430 --> 03:00:12.570
is

3565
03:00:13.750 --> 03:00:17.250
your parking for the event going to affect the dollar store's

3566
03:00:17.330 --> 03:00:18.930
operation as far as their customers?

3567
03:00:19.530 --> 03:00:22.550
No. Again, it shouldn't, because we have an abundance of parking.

3568
03:00:23.210 --> 03:00:24.270
More than what's required.

3569
03:00:25.110 --> 03:00:28.270
Okay. Well, I'm just saying, you say you may have 800 people.

3570
03:00:28.310 --> 03:00:31.570
That might take up 400 spaces. So I'm just

3571
03:00:32.350 --> 03:00:36.230
trying to get an idea and make sure that the dollar store's parking doesn't get

3572
03:00:36.270 --> 03:00:36.659
shorted-

3573
03:00:37.410 --> 03:00:37.480
Yeah

3574
03:00:37.480 --> 03:00:39.450
... because you have a banquet or something like that.

3575
03:00:39.890 --> 03:00:40.310
Sure. I

3576
03:00:41.130 --> 03:00:43.360
think that 800 number is just from

3577
03:00:44.710 --> 03:00:47.350
what comes from the code.

3578
03:00:48.030 --> 03:00:48.270
Okay.

3579
03:00:48.350 --> 03:00:51.510
But the community's not going to be planning for an 800-person event.

3580
03:00:52.030 --> 03:00:52.470
Okay.

3581
03:00:53.670 --> 03:00:54.110
Very good.

3582
03:00:54.990 --> 03:00:55.950
Mr. Warrick, can you come up?

3583
03:01:00.810 --> 03:01:03.830
Would you have an idea what it might cost for those fire hydrants to be

3584
03:01:03.930 --> 03:01:04.990
readjusted,

3585
03:01:06.150 --> 03:01:08.090
so that we could maybe change the bond a little bit or...?

3586
03:01:08.410 --> 03:01:10.430
No, I don't. I was

3587
03:01:11.710 --> 03:01:13.330
just told it's going to be expensive.

3588
03:01:15.950 --> 03:01:19.790
So I'd have to get that cost from the water director

3589
03:01:20.370 --> 03:01:21.730
or water superintendent.

3590
03:01:23.090 --> 03:01:23.450
Okay.

3591
03:01:23.830 --> 03:01:24.570
I don't know what it is.

3592
03:01:26.950 --> 03:01:30.830
We can do that and reassess

3593
03:01:30.910 --> 03:01:31.130
what

3594
03:01:31.990 --> 03:01:32.890
should be the bond.

3595
03:01:33.890 --> 03:01:34.210
Okay.

3596
03:01:35.110 --> 03:01:35.450
All right.

3597
03:01:37.330 --> 03:01:40.349
All right, then. I think I have another question.

3598
03:01:46.150 --> 03:01:47.590
Thank you, Mr. Warrick.

3599
03:01:47.670 --> 03:01:47.830
Okay.

3600
03:01:49.730 --> 03:01:51.110
Petitioner, can you come up again, please?

3601
03:01:53.710 --> 03:01:56.970
All right, so Mr. Warrick's going to check and see,

3602
03:01:58.510 --> 03:02:02.350
get an idea what it might cost to do the fire hydrants.

3603
03:02:02.990 --> 03:02:04.870
So that means that your bond might end up going up.

3604
03:02:05.390 --> 03:02:08.470
So if that does, we'll have to let you know what the increase is going to be.

3605
03:02:09.210 --> 03:02:11.410
But for right now, the bond is set at a certain amount.

3606
03:02:11.710 --> 03:02:12.070
Mm-hmm.

3607
03:02:12.090 --> 03:02:12.820
And what we'll do,

3608
03:02:13.950 --> 03:02:17.310
we'll keep it at that for now, and based on what he finds out,

3609
03:02:17.990 --> 03:02:21.970
we'll put a condition in the recommendation that the bond may change a little

3610
03:02:22.010 --> 03:02:23.230
bit for that.

3611
03:02:24.990 --> 03:02:25.330
Okay?

3612
03:02:26.610 --> 03:02:26.770
Mm-hmm.

3613
03:02:29.310 --> 03:02:31.290
The neighbors were talking about possibly

3614
03:02:32.570 --> 03:02:32.970
people

3615
03:02:33.790 --> 03:02:34.770
parking on their street

3616
03:02:35.870 --> 03:02:36.770
in their neighborhoods.

3617
03:02:37.850 --> 03:02:39.790
How are you going to control that?

3618
03:02:42.350 --> 03:02:49.350
Can

3619
03:02:49.430 --> 03:02:51.130
I open an ear to the-

3620
03:02:52.110 --> 03:02:52.350
Sure.

3621
03:02:57.110 --> 03:02:58.680
State your name and address for the record, sir.

3622
03:02:58.680 --> 03:02:59.710
Yes. This is Mushfigar Raman.

3623
03:03:00.810 --> 03:03:01.770
This is Mushfigar Raman.

3624
03:03:03.550 --> 03:03:03.950
Address.

3625
03:03:04.190 --> 03:03:06.770
Address, 2501 Bloomfield Hills,

3626
03:03:07.110 --> 03:03:10.650
Bloomfield Crossing, Bloomfield Hills, Michigan.

3627
03:03:11.050 --> 03:03:11.370
Okay.

3628
03:03:13.590 --> 03:03:14.880
So actually, the parking,

3629
03:03:16.110 --> 03:03:18.800
according to the city law, we have enough parking.

3630
03:03:20.750 --> 03:03:22.790
According to the requirement, we have more than that.

3631
03:03:23.730 --> 03:03:27.490
So actually, there is no chance or there is no possibility that

3632
03:03:27.530 --> 03:03:31.442
somebody will park on the road or somewhere elseI think.

3633
03:03:31.722 --> 03:03:32.022
Okay.

3634
03:03:34.062 --> 03:03:34.622
We just want to make-

3635
03:03:34.762 --> 03:03:38.702
And sir, one thing, sir, just I can tell you, sir, that actually

3636
03:03:38.862 --> 03:03:41.782
here the maximum student will be 150 only, sir.

3637
03:03:43.142 --> 03:03:43.382
Okay.

3638
03:03:43.422 --> 03:03:47.121
The school we are providing, it's like a

3639
03:03:47.462 --> 03:03:50.482
knowledge-sharing or learning center like that.

3640
03:03:51.062 --> 03:03:55.042
As city telling like that the K12, that is a kindergarten to

3641
03:03:55.102 --> 03:03:56.302
12, is not like that, sir.

3642
03:03:57.242 --> 03:04:00.422
And we set up here only though for 150 students,

3643
03:04:01.702 --> 03:04:04.082
75 girls and 75 boys.

3644
03:04:04.902 --> 03:04:07.522
So there is three classes for the boys and three classes for the

3645
03:04:08.802 --> 03:04:12.222
girls. That's it. And the maximum is the 150

3646
03:04:12.242 --> 03:04:13.312
students, sir.

3647
03:04:13.422 --> 03:04:13.702
Okay.

3648
03:04:14.782 --> 03:04:15.602
All right. Thank you, sir.

3649
03:04:15.802 --> 03:04:17.362
Okay, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.

3650
03:04:19.542 --> 03:04:20.802
Okay. If there's no other questions...

3651
03:04:22.862 --> 03:04:23.402
Mr. Chair?

3652
03:04:27.362 --> 03:04:28.042
I have a

3653
03:04:29.022 --> 03:04:30.342
question regarding the fire hydrant.

3654
03:04:30.902 --> 03:04:34.572
So since the other property owner is Dollar Tree, shouldn't they

3655
03:04:34.662 --> 03:04:38.572
also incur some of the cost for the fire hydrant, or how does that

3656
03:04:38.602 --> 03:04:40.122
work?

3657
03:04:40.142 --> 03:04:43.662
Well, I don't know if the Dollar Tree...

3658
03:04:43.832 --> 03:04:45.342
Is Dollar Tree the same owner as you?

3659
03:04:46.362 --> 03:04:49.202
Actually, sir, Dollar Tree

3660
03:04:52.202 --> 03:04:56.102
actually, Dollar Tree, the building belongs to us, and

3661
03:04:56.162 --> 03:04:57.902
just we give the rent to the Dollar Tree.

3662
03:04:58.682 --> 03:05:02.562
So regarding the fire hydrant and anything

3663
03:05:03.062 --> 03:05:03.422
till we

3664
03:05:05.622 --> 03:05:08.802
make it up to the mark, then just we'll have to do that.

3665
03:05:09.062 --> 03:05:10.682
Dollar Tree will not share with us.

3666
03:05:10.782 --> 03:05:11.022
Okay.

3667
03:05:11.522 --> 03:05:13.082
We are responsible to do that.

3668
03:05:13.402 --> 03:05:14.861
Okay. Very good, sir. Thank you.

3669
03:05:16.182 --> 03:05:16.662
Answer your question?

3670
03:05:16.702 --> 03:05:18.842
That's my question. Thank you.

3671
03:05:18.902 --> 03:05:21.502
All right. Very good.

3672
03:05:23.862 --> 03:05:24.632
Go ahead. Commissioner.

3673
03:05:24.662 --> 03:05:26.762
Mr. Chairman, I just thought of it.

3674
03:05:28.322 --> 03:05:32.082
When we were driving around it, are you going to use all

3675
03:05:32.242 --> 03:05:35.262
those dumpster locations? Because I think

3676
03:05:35.302 --> 03:05:39.281
there's at least four of them, and the doors on

3677
03:05:39.322 --> 03:05:41.962
the front of them are all busted out all over the place.

3678
03:05:44.582 --> 03:05:48.122
There's one on the north side. There's one

3679
03:05:48.262 --> 03:05:51.702
and there's two... No, there's two on the south side.

3680
03:05:51.782 --> 03:05:52.482
That's one.

3681
03:05:53.962 --> 03:05:55.902
And there's another one over from it.

3682
03:05:56.882 --> 03:05:58.272
There's another one closer down by-

3683
03:05:58.402 --> 03:05:58.522
Yeah

3684
03:05:58.532 --> 03:05:59.202
... the end of the building.

3685
03:05:59.762 --> 03:06:02.192
Are you going to get rid of most of those dumpsters?

3686
03:06:02.262 --> 03:06:03.761
Are you going to fix up the

3687
03:06:04.642 --> 03:06:05.802
dumpster enclosures?

3688
03:06:09.122 --> 03:06:12.742
So actually, the closer one, we should close it, and

3689
03:06:12.802 --> 03:06:14.942
the farthest one, just we'll keep.

3690
03:06:16.382 --> 03:06:18.472
Okay, because you're going to need to fix those up.

3691
03:06:19.382 --> 03:06:19.562
Because-

3692
03:06:19.592 --> 03:06:19.592
Yes

3693
03:06:19.592 --> 03:06:19.592
...

3694
03:06:20.862 --> 03:06:22.282
all of them are a mess.

3695
03:06:22.802 --> 03:06:26.442
So that we'll do that according to city

3696
03:06:26.522 --> 03:06:28.322
rules and city requirement.

3697
03:06:28.602 --> 03:06:30.682
Okay. Well, I'm just bringing it to your attention.

3698
03:06:31.022 --> 03:06:33.382
Sir, one thing just I would like to say, sir.

3699
03:06:34.042 --> 03:06:37.502
Actually, according to the city rules, we have to have the

3700
03:06:39.742 --> 03:06:43.662
distance from the major section to my

3701
03:06:43.982 --> 03:06:47.442
driveway that is 500. It should be more than 500.

3702
03:06:48.002 --> 03:06:51.322
So actually, sir, we have 456 or something like that.

3703
03:06:52.002 --> 03:06:52.282
By very

3704
03:06:55.242 --> 03:06:55.862
marginal

3705
03:06:57.082 --> 03:06:58.952
distance just we stacked here,

3706
03:07:00.062 --> 03:07:00.622
and just we

3707
03:07:00.662 --> 03:07:04.622
have to go

3708
03:07:04.702 --> 03:07:05.442
to the variance.

3709
03:07:06.312 --> 03:07:06.312
Okay.

3710
03:07:06.322 --> 03:07:09.962
For variance. So if we'll consider this 40

3711
03:07:10.022 --> 03:07:12.282
feet, then

3712
03:07:13.682 --> 03:07:13.682
...

3713
03:07:16.422 --> 03:07:17.412
Mr. Chairman.

3714
03:07:18.342 --> 03:07:21.542
We've gotten into arguments about two feet, so.

3715
03:07:21.842 --> 03:07:25.252
Yeah, all right. But you know you got to go to the zoning board for the variances-

3716
03:07:25.302 --> 03:07:25.312
Yes

3717
03:07:25.312 --> 03:07:28.302
... for the driveways anyway. So all four of them.

3718
03:07:28.362 --> 03:07:30.972
And like I say, we want two of them eliminated because of

3719
03:07:31.042 --> 03:07:34.922
what the use is because, the

3720
03:07:35.042 --> 03:07:36.782
use for it. All right?

3721
03:07:37.642 --> 03:07:38.062
Yes, sir.

3722
03:07:38.402 --> 03:07:38.782
Okay.

3723
03:07:41.322 --> 03:07:44.482
That was a motion by Commissioner Maury, supported by Commissioner Hock.

3724
03:07:48.742 --> 03:07:49.182
Roll call.

3725
03:07:49.842 --> 03:07:51.812
Commissioner Maury, I vote yes. Commissioner Hock?

3726
03:07:52.542 --> 03:07:53.262
Yes, to approve.

3727
03:07:53.522 --> 03:07:54.422
Commissioner Ansir?

3728
03:07:54.502 --> 03:07:55.122
Yes, to approve.

3729
03:07:55.262 --> 03:07:56.022
Commissioner Heidi?

3730
03:07:57.042 --> 03:07:57.702
Yes, to approve.

3731
03:07:58.122 --> 03:07:59.462
Commissioner Halawati?

3732
03:07:59.542 --> 03:08:00.302
Yes, to approve.

3733
03:08:00.502 --> 03:08:01.282
Commissioner Duse?

3734
03:08:02.402 --> 03:08:03.382
Yes, to approve.

3735
03:08:03.582 --> 03:08:04.282
Commissioner Benecke?

3736
03:08:04.582 --> 03:08:05.282
Yes, to approve.

3737
03:08:05.302 --> 03:08:05.942
Commissioner Smith?

3738
03:08:06.142 --> 03:08:08.202
Yes, to approve. Good luck with your project, sir.

3739
03:08:08.442 --> 03:08:08.682
Thank you.

3740
03:08:11.742 --> 03:08:13.242
Item number seven, correspondence.

3741
03:08:15.402 --> 03:08:19.382
Item number 7A, letter from the planning director to the members

3742
03:08:19.402 --> 03:08:23.092
of the Zoning Board of Appeals. This letter is a response and

3743
03:08:23.182 --> 03:08:27.032
clarification of facts regarding public comments made by the ZBA in

3744
03:08:27.102 --> 03:08:30.942
reference to the planning department's impact statement for agenda item

3745
03:08:31.322 --> 03:08:35.082
6, 22755 Grosbeck Avenue at the April 8,

3746
03:08:35.342 --> 03:08:37.682
2026 ZBA meeting. Thank you.

3747
03:08:40.502 --> 03:08:43.322
Mr. Worth or Michelle, do you want to speak on this letter, or are we just going to

3748
03:08:43.362 --> 03:08:45.042
receive and file?

3749
03:08:46.202 --> 03:08:47.362
Receive and file.

3750
03:08:47.442 --> 03:08:49.282
Okay. Need a motion to receive and file.

3751
03:08:50.102 --> 03:08:51.982
Chair, I make a motion to receive and file.

3752
03:08:53.642 --> 03:08:54.522
Support, Benecke.

3753
03:08:56.622 --> 03:08:59.862
That is a motion by Commissioner Halawati, supported by Commissioner Benecke.

3754
03:09:00.182 --> 03:09:00.742
All in favor?

3755
03:09:01.202 --> 03:09:01.742
I.

3756
03:09:01.802 --> 03:09:02.462
Any opposed?

3757
03:09:03.522 --> 03:09:04.642
Item number 7B.

3758
03:09:07.662 --> 03:09:11.642
Item number 7B, site plan for a gas station with convenience

3759
03:09:11.722 --> 03:09:15.192
store located on the northeast corner of Mount and 13 Mount Roads,

3760
03:09:15.722 --> 03:09:19.432
31104 Mount Road, Section 4, Michael Wiegand and

3761
03:09:19.502 --> 03:09:23.392
Gazebo Real Estate, Josh Barton, Agree Convenience Number

3762
03:09:23.782 --> 03:09:27.522
1 LLC, PSP250050. Letter to

3763
03:09:27.542 --> 03:09:30.762
petitioner, denied by the Planning Commission on April 13,

3764
03:09:30.942 --> 03:09:31.662
2026.

3765
03:09:32.362 --> 03:09:33.742
Need a motion to receive and file.

3766
03:09:34.782 --> 03:09:36.002
So moved, Mr. Chairman.

3767
03:09:36.822 --> 03:09:37.742
Support, Chair.

3768
03:09:39.138 --> 03:09:41.938
There's a motion by Commissioner Dusek, supported by Commissioner Holowaty.

3769
03:09:42.018 --> 03:09:42.578
All in favor?

3770
03:09:42.778 --> 03:09:43.298
Aye.

3771
03:09:43.538 --> 03:09:45.878
Any opposed? Item number 7C.

3772
03:09:47.058 --> 03:09:50.658
Item number 7C, site plan for auto repair shop, parking lot

3773
03:09:50.718 --> 03:09:54.338
expansion, and open storage of repair vehicles located on the

3774
03:09:54.378 --> 03:09:57.038
southwest corner of Groesbeck Highway and Nine Mile Road,

3775
03:09:57.478 --> 03:10:00.598
22755 Groesbeck Highway, Section 35,

3776
03:10:01.078 --> 03:10:03.618
Joseph Triangle, JNT Investments,

3777
03:10:03.718 --> 03:10:06.918
PSP250017. Letter to

3778
03:10:06.938 --> 03:10:10.618
petitioner, approved with conditions by the Planning Commission on May 12,

3779
03:10:10.818 --> 03:10:14.808
2025. The required variants were denied by the Zoning Board of

3780
03:10:14.818 --> 03:10:15.638
Appeals on April

3781
03:10:16.478 --> 03:10:20.398
22nd, 2026. As a result of the variance denials, the

3782
03:10:20.438 --> 03:10:23.098
current site plan is no longer valid. Thank you.

3783
03:10:23.658 --> 03:10:23.978
Thank you.

3784
03:10:25.018 --> 03:10:28.678
Because the site plan is no longer valid, I need a motion to receive and file.

3785
03:10:29.178 --> 03:10:29.798
I bring motion,

3786
03:10:30.678 --> 03:10:31.198
Mr. Chair.

3787
03:10:33.578 --> 03:10:34.758
Support, Chair.

3788
03:10:35.798 --> 03:10:38.898
There's a motion by Commissioner Hope, supported by Commissioner Holowaty.

3789
03:10:39.358 --> 03:10:39.898
All in favor?

3790
03:10:40.238 --> 03:10:40.578
Aye.

3791
03:10:40.858 --> 03:10:41.518
Any opposed?

3792
03:10:43.717 --> 03:10:44.238
Item number

3793
03:10:46.058 --> 03:10:46.338
7D.

3794
03:10:47.598 --> 03:10:51.538
Item number 7D, request to vacant easements, vacant the

3795
03:10:51.578 --> 03:10:55.388
existing north and south eight

3796
03:10:55.958 --> 03:10:59.538
feet wide utility easement located on the rear of lots

3797
03:10:59.578 --> 03:11:03.338
1065, 1066, and 17

3798
03:11:03.398 --> 03:11:06.418
feet north of lot

3799
03:11:06.458 --> 03:11:10.218
1067, and vacant the existing east and

3800
03:11:10.298 --> 03:11:14.198
west five feet wide utility easement, east

3801
03:11:14.418 --> 03:11:18.248
8.5 feet of Piper's Van D**e Subdivision

3802
03:11:18.318 --> 03:11:22.138
number 5, located on the southwest corner of Van D**e Avenue

3803
03:11:22.218 --> 03:11:26.018
and Topfer Road, 21647 Van D**e Avenue, Section

3804
03:11:26.238 --> 03:11:28.898
33, Valentino Halada,

3805
03:11:29.358 --> 03:11:33.078
PEV230002. Letter to City

3806
03:11:33.158 --> 03:11:34.778
Council regarding expiration.

3807
03:11:35.598 --> 03:11:37.478
I need a motion to receive and file this letter.

3808
03:11:39.338 --> 03:11:40.798
So moved, Mr. Chairman.

3809
03:11:42.878 --> 03:11:44.418
Support, Bunek, support, Moray.

3810
03:11:44.998 --> 03:11:47.358
Support. Motion, Mr. Chairman.

3811
03:11:53.198 --> 03:11:53.678
What'd you say?

3812
03:11:54.138 --> 03:11:55.378
He made a motion.

3813
03:11:55.538 --> 03:11:55.967
I know, I heard that.

3814
03:11:56.018 --> 03:11:57.068
She didn't hear it through the mic.

3815
03:11:57.118 --> 03:11:57.918
Oh, okay.

3816
03:11:58.858 --> 03:12:02.038
There's a motion by Commissioner Dusek, supported by Commissioner Moray.

3817
03:12:02.458 --> 03:12:02.998
All in favor?

3818
03:12:03.438 --> 03:12:03.798
Aye.

3819
03:12:03.938 --> 03:12:06.818
Any opposed? Item number 8A, old business.

3820
03:12:07.638 --> 03:12:10.718
Minor amendment to the site plan for parking lot and site

3821
03:12:10.778 --> 03:12:14.698
rehabilitation located on the north side

3822
03:12:14.758 --> 03:12:18.678
of 10 Mile Road, approximately 355.46

3823
03:12:18.758 --> 03:12:22.618
feet east of Ryan Road, 4225 Ten Mile Road, Section

3824
03:12:22.738 --> 03:12:26.418
20, Terry Messina, Comerica Bank,

3825
03:12:26.838 --> 03:12:29.898
Sonia Varania, At Well LLC,

3826
03:12:30.038 --> 03:12:32.598
PMA260003.

3827
03:12:33.688 --> 03:12:33.998
Thank you.

3828
03:12:34.438 --> 03:12:34.858
Good evening.

3829
03:12:35.398 --> 03:12:39.058
Good evening. We received notification that they would like

3830
03:12:39.138 --> 03:12:41.958
to postpone this until July 13th.

3831
03:12:43.638 --> 03:12:47.328
Additionally, there are some legal description discrepancies that we're working

3832
03:12:47.358 --> 03:12:51.198
with the assessing and Macomb County land file to resolve before that time.

3833
03:12:52.818 --> 03:12:53.898
Okay. Thank you, Michelle.

3834
03:12:53.928 --> 03:12:54.358
All right. Thank you.

3835
03:12:54.778 --> 03:12:58.398
So I need a motion to postpone this item till July 13th.

3836
03:12:58.718 --> 03:13:00.958
Motion to postpone, Mr. Chairman.

3837
03:13:01.358 --> 03:13:01.798
Support,

3838
03:13:02.818 --> 03:13:03.418
Commissioner Ansar.

3839
03:13:05.618 --> 03:13:08.438
There's a motion by Commissioner Dusek, supported by Commissioner Ansar, to

3840
03:13:08.478 --> 03:13:10.918
postpone this item to July 13th.

3841
03:13:12.338 --> 03:13:12.718
Roll call.

3842
03:13:13.998 --> 03:13:14.958
Commissioner Dusek?

3843
03:13:15.198 --> 03:13:15.518
Yes.

3844
03:13:15.978 --> 03:13:16.698
Commissioner Ansar?

3845
03:13:17.238 --> 03:13:17.518
Yes.

3846
03:13:17.978 --> 03:13:18.738
Commissioner Heide?

3847
03:13:19.078 --> 03:13:19.298
Yes.

3848
03:13:19.498 --> 03:13:20.338
Commissioner Holowaty?

3849
03:13:20.818 --> 03:13:21.058
Yes.

3850
03:13:21.398 --> 03:13:22.058
Commissioner Hawk?

3851
03:13:22.478 --> 03:13:22.698
Yes.

3852
03:13:22.998 --> 03:13:24.498
Commissioner Moray votes yes. Commissioner Bunki?

3853
03:13:24.758 --> 03:13:25.038
Yes.

3854
03:13:25.418 --> 03:13:26.018
Commissioner Smith?

3855
03:13:26.338 --> 03:13:30.058
Yes to postpone to July 13th. Item 8B.

3856
03:13:31.678 --> 03:13:35.388
Item number 8B, minor amendment to site plan for industrial building for

3857
03:13:35.758 --> 03:13:39.398
modification of truck wells located on the southwest corner of Tank

3858
03:13:39.578 --> 03:13:43.408
Avenue and George Merilees Drive, Section 16,

3859
03:13:43.858 --> 03:13:46.998
27767 George Merilees Drive.

3860
03:13:47.478 --> 03:13:51.078
Kerry Easterday, Warren Industrial Investor,

3861
03:13:51.278 --> 03:13:55.098
LLC, Dan LeBlanc, Android Assembly,

3862
03:13:55.518 --> 03:13:59.298
PMA240001. The minor amendment is to

3863
03:13:59.338 --> 03:14:02.998
modernize the current truck wells approved on

3864
03:14:03.058 --> 03:14:06.718
April 22nd, 2024. The petitioner is requesting a

3865
03:14:06.758 --> 03:14:10.638
one-year extension to April 22nd, 2027.

3866
03:14:10.918 --> 03:14:11.418
Thank you.

3867
03:14:11.478 --> 03:14:14.378
Thank you. First of all, I'd like to recognize this as a minor amendment.

3868
03:14:16.158 --> 03:14:16.698
Need a motion.

3869
03:14:18.058 --> 03:14:19.838
Motion to recognize as minor amendment, Moray.

3870
03:14:20.398 --> 03:14:21.258
Support, Bunki.

3871
03:14:22.638 --> 03:14:26.078
There's a motion by Commissioner Moray, supported by Commissioner

3872
03:14:26.098 --> 03:14:29.738
Bunki, to recognize as a minor amendment. All in favor?

3873
03:14:29.798 --> 03:14:29.998
Aye.

3874
03:14:30.058 --> 03:14:31.198
Any opposed?

3875
03:14:31.638 --> 03:14:31.718
No.

3876
03:14:32.518 --> 03:14:33.098
Good evening, sir.

3877
03:14:34.938 --> 03:14:35.148
Hold it.

3878
03:14:36.258 --> 03:14:39.908
Quick note of order. This is for an extension.

3879
03:14:39.938 --> 03:14:42.878
It was a minor amendment, but it is just an extension.

3880
03:14:43.418 --> 03:14:44.558
And he is here to-

3881
03:14:44.638 --> 03:14:45.318
I know, I know.

3882
03:14:45.378 --> 03:14:46.238
Oh, okay. I just wanted-

3883
03:14:46.518 --> 03:14:49.768
I'm going to call him. I just wanted to recognize it as a minor amendment because

3884
03:14:49.798 --> 03:14:52.318
it was a minor amendment, but now it's going to have him come out.

3885
03:14:52.798 --> 03:14:54.038
I'm not getting rid of him yet.

3886
03:14:56.018 --> 03:14:56.798
Good evening, sir.

3887
03:14:57.638 --> 03:14:58.158
Good evening.

3888
03:14:59.558 --> 03:15:01.228
Just state your name and address for the record.

3889
03:15:01.258 --> 03:15:01.978
Dan LeBlanc.

3890
03:15:02.898 --> 03:15:06.698
Address is 27767 George Merilees Drive, Warren,

3891
03:15:06.758 --> 03:15:07.258
Michigan.

3892
03:15:08.718 --> 03:15:12.137
It's Avance Assembly. We do

3893
03:15:12.578 --> 03:15:14.778
value-added service for Stellantis.

3894
03:15:17.318 --> 03:15:21.238
We are very close to fulfilling everything

3895
03:15:21.318 --> 03:15:24.338
that the city wanted us to fulfill,

3896
03:15:26.598 --> 03:15:28.338
and I'm just simply asking for an extension.

3897
03:15:28.358 --> 03:15:32.268
I don't believe I need a year, but I'm very close to

3898
03:15:32.298 --> 03:15:34.638
completing everything that's been requested

3899
03:15:35.618 --> 03:15:36.558
on the site plan.

3900
03:15:37.758 --> 03:15:40.878
I just have a couple open items that we didn't get finished.

3901
03:15:41.278 --> 03:15:43.982
Okay. Very good, sirAll right.

3902
03:15:45.182 --> 03:15:47.482
The petitioner's asking for a one-year extension-

3903
03:15:48.362 --> 03:15:48.622
Yes

3904
03:15:48.632 --> 03:15:50.882
... on this project. And so I need a motion.

3905
03:15:51.062 --> 03:15:52.342
So moved, Mr. Chairman.

3906
03:15:54.082 --> 03:15:55.242
Mr. Chair, I support it.

3907
03:15:56.742 --> 03:15:59.462
There's a motion by Commissioner Doucette, supported by Commissioner Hawk.

3908
03:15:59.802 --> 03:16:00.182
Roll call.

3909
03:16:00.622 --> 03:16:01.492
Commissioner Doucette?

3910
03:16:01.602 --> 03:16:01.902
Yes.

3911
03:16:02.142 --> 03:16:02.782
Commissioner Hawk?

3912
03:16:03.242 --> 03:16:03.522
Yes.

3913
03:16:03.742 --> 03:16:04.542
Commissioner Ansir?

3914
03:16:04.602 --> 03:16:04.962
Yes.

3915
03:16:05.002 --> 03:16:05.722
Commissioner Heidi?

3916
03:16:05.802 --> 03:16:06.022
Yes.

3917
03:16:06.262 --> 03:16:07.042
Commissioner Holowaty?

3918
03:16:07.402 --> 03:16:07.602
Yes.

3919
03:16:07.862 --> 03:16:09.582
Commissioner Morey votes yes. Commissioner Bonecki?

3920
03:16:09.822 --> 03:16:10.002
Yes.

3921
03:16:10.282 --> 03:16:10.942
Commissioner Smith?

3922
03:16:11.182 --> 03:16:14.862
Yes. Approve a one-year extension to April 22nd, 2027.

3923
03:16:15.262 --> 03:16:16.222
Thank you. I appreciate it.

3924
03:16:16.282 --> 03:16:17.922
Thank you, sir. Sorry for the delay this evening.

3925
03:16:18.162 --> 03:16:19.021
Hey, don't worry.

3926
03:16:19.082 --> 03:16:19.902
Have a good evening.

3927
03:16:19.912 --> 03:16:20.252
I'm good. Thank you.

3928
03:16:21.522 --> 03:16:23.042
You're earning your pay today.

3929
03:16:25.622 --> 03:16:26.162
Item number

3930
03:16:27.622 --> 03:16:27.942
8C.

3931
03:16:28.962 --> 03:16:32.682
Minor amendment to site plan for building addition located on the west

3932
03:16:32.762 --> 03:16:36.682
side of Hoover Road between Hupp Avenue and Topfer

3933
03:16:36.742 --> 03:16:40.462
Road, 22105 Hoover Road, Section 34,

3934
03:16:40.862 --> 03:16:44.202
Daniel Morrell and Ajax Metal Processing, Inc.,

3935
03:16:44.422 --> 03:16:48.332
PMA-250003. The minor amendment is

3936
03:16:48.342 --> 03:16:52.182
for a building addition, relocation of a storage tank, and pavement

3937
03:16:52.382 --> 03:16:55.792
replacement. Approved on March 24, 2025.

3938
03:16:56.162 --> 03:17:00.062
The petitioner is withdrawing their minor amendment application. Thank you.

3939
03:17:00.082 --> 03:17:03.932
Okay, I need a motion to withdraw their application for the

3940
03:17:03.982 --> 03:17:04.562
minor amendment.

3941
03:17:06.942 --> 03:17:08.742
Chair, I make that motion.

3942
03:17:12.582 --> 03:17:13.262
Support Moray.

3943
03:17:14.022 --> 03:17:16.962
There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Moray.

3944
03:17:17.862 --> 03:17:18.422
All in favor?

3945
03:17:18.782 --> 03:17:19.462
Aye.

3946
03:17:19.502 --> 03:17:20.142
Any opposed?

3947
03:17:21.002 --> 03:17:22.242
Number nine, bond released.

3948
03:17:23.702 --> 03:17:27.602
Number nine, minor amendment to site plan for building addition located on the west

3949
03:17:27.642 --> 03:17:30.362
side of Hoover Road between Hupp Avenue and Topfer Road,

3950
03:17:30.862 --> 03:17:34.362
22105 Hoover Road, Section 34, Daniel

3951
03:17:34.382 --> 03:17:36.722
Morrell and Ajax Metal Processing, Inc.,

3952
03:17:36.882 --> 03:17:40.702
PMA-250003. The minor amendment is for a

3953
03:17:40.782 --> 03:17:44.582
building addition, relocation of a storage tank, and pavement replacement.

3954
03:17:45.022 --> 03:17:49.002
Approved on March 24, 2025. Cash bond posted in the amount

3955
03:17:49.102 --> 03:17:52.562
of $28,500. Minor amendment withdrawn,

3956
03:17:52.842 --> 03:17:53.502
release the bond.

3957
03:17:54.302 --> 03:17:55.622
I need a motion to release the bond.

3958
03:17:56.362 --> 03:17:58.222
Chair, I make a motion to release the bond.

3959
03:17:59.042 --> 03:18:00.222
Mr. Chair, I support it.

3960
03:18:01.962 --> 03:18:05.262
There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Hawk.

3961
03:18:05.742 --> 03:18:06.382
All in favor?

3962
03:18:06.602 --> 03:18:07.042
Aye.

3963
03:18:07.982 --> 03:18:09.522
Aye. To release the bond.

3964
03:18:11.782 --> 03:18:13.502
Item number 10, new business. Seeing none.

3965
03:18:14.042 --> 03:18:16.062
Item number 11, citizen participation.

3966
03:18:17.522 --> 03:18:19.062
Anybody would like to speak?

3967
03:18:19.802 --> 03:18:20.282
You all up,

3968
03:18:21.212 --> 03:18:21.212
Duke.

3969
03:18:21.262 --> 03:18:23.702
Item number 12A, planning director's report.

3970
03:18:33.122 --> 03:18:35.802
This has been a long one, needless to say.

3971
03:18:36.422 --> 03:18:37.502
Far longer than I thought.

3972
03:18:38.442 --> 03:18:39.402
To start off with,

3973
03:18:41.802 --> 03:18:44.982
just a few things that I was part of, but I was in a

3974
03:18:46.042 --> 03:18:46.602
PUD

3975
03:18:48.262 --> 03:18:48.622
meeting.

3976
03:18:50.382 --> 03:18:50.702
Maybe

3977
03:18:52.442 --> 03:18:56.242
Mr. Doucette will want to expound upon that, but that was on

3978
03:18:56.262 --> 03:18:59.952
the 23rd, April 23rd. After

3979
03:19:00.042 --> 03:19:00.382
that,

3980
03:19:01.242 --> 03:19:01.562
I was

3981
03:19:02.662 --> 03:19:03.122
at the

3982
03:19:04.282 --> 03:19:05.952
American Planning Association

3983
03:19:07.002 --> 03:19:07.592
conference,

3984
03:19:08.442 --> 03:19:10.082
downtown Detroit for four days.

3985
03:19:11.062 --> 03:19:12.572
What an experience that was, and

3986
03:19:13.402 --> 03:19:14.322
it's all new to me,

3987
03:19:15.542 --> 03:19:17.302
believe it or not, after all these years.

3988
03:19:17.402 --> 03:19:18.882
But that conference,

3989
03:19:20.382 --> 03:19:22.162
it's different in the scale,

3990
03:19:23.842 --> 03:19:26.342
what we experience, what you've been to,

3991
03:19:27.402 --> 03:19:27.882
Delmar.

3992
03:19:29.362 --> 03:19:32.722
But I have to say our Michigan conferences are-

3993
03:19:34.542 --> 03:19:34.782
Yeah

3994
03:19:34.802 --> 03:19:37.551
... a lot better, needless to... Much better.

3995
03:19:37.702 --> 03:19:37.982
So

3996
03:19:39.002 --> 03:19:42.342
anyway, not as many things, different sessions that you can take.

3997
03:19:42.422 --> 03:19:42.682
But,

3998
03:19:46.242 --> 03:19:48.622
it was a learning experience, needless to say.

3999
03:19:48.762 --> 03:19:49.402
So I

4000
03:19:51.002 --> 03:19:51.902
enjoyed that.

4001
03:19:54.562 --> 03:19:58.442
I attended a meeting with Mr. Spiller, he's the parks and

4002
03:19:58.482 --> 03:20:01.602
recreation director. That had to do with a

4003
03:20:03.722 --> 03:20:05.622
new master plan for the parks and rec

4004
03:20:07.382 --> 03:20:11.122
department, and so we discussed that with their

4005
03:20:11.162 --> 03:20:11.902
consultant.

4006
03:20:13.582 --> 03:20:13.922
I'm on

4007
03:20:13.982 --> 03:20:18.362
their

4008
03:20:18.422 --> 03:20:22.252
committee to review that and get

4009
03:20:22.282 --> 03:20:22.942
things going.

4010
03:20:24.022 --> 03:20:24.642
And so

4011
03:20:25.722 --> 03:20:26.842
I attended that meeting.

4012
03:20:27.722 --> 03:20:30.662
What else here, if I can read my own writing.

4013
03:20:32.422 --> 03:20:32.882
Okay.

4014
03:20:34.842 --> 03:20:38.542
I'll tell you, primarily that's it, other than getting all the

4015
03:20:39.082 --> 03:20:41.102
findings and recommendations together with

4016
03:20:42.022 --> 03:20:44.182
Michelle. We worked really hard

4017
03:20:45.442 --> 03:20:46.182
on all this.

4018
03:20:47.042 --> 03:20:50.122
So that's about all I have, if you have any questions.

4019
03:20:51.002 --> 03:20:52.932
Thank you, sir. Anybody have any questions for Mr. Warych?

4020
03:20:53.642 --> 03:20:53.802
Chair?

4021
03:20:54.562 --> 03:20:54.682
Yeah.

4022
03:20:55.662 --> 03:20:55.982
Okay.

4023
03:20:57.022 --> 03:21:00.932
I hope I'm not out of place, but has the budget for the city been finalized

4024
03:21:01.002 --> 03:21:01.202
yet?

4025
03:21:01.382 --> 03:21:03.232
I can't understand you. You're-

4026
03:21:03.262 --> 03:21:05.742
Okay. Has the budget for the city been finalized?

4027
03:21:07.602 --> 03:21:10.942
Tomorrow night it will be going before the city

4028
03:21:11.702 --> 03:21:12.962
in the city council meeting.

4029
03:21:14.842 --> 03:21:16.922
So watch the meeting, and you'll find out.

4030
03:21:17.162 --> 03:21:18.702
Okay. Thank you, sir.

4031
03:21:20.062 --> 03:21:20.072
Okay.

4032
03:21:20.142 --> 03:21:21.262
Any other questions for Mr. Warych?

4033
03:21:23.482 --> 03:21:26.942
Item number 12B, planning commission discussion and concerns.

4034
03:21:28.342 --> 03:21:28.782
Recons--

4035
03:21:30.042 --> 03:21:30.802
I'll go ahead and read?

4036
03:21:31.462 --> 03:21:31.902
Go ahead.

4037
03:21:32.342 --> 03:21:32.602
Okay.

4038
03:21:34.062 --> 03:21:34.722
Do, okay.

4039
03:21:36.426 --> 03:21:39.406
Reconsideration of excused absence for Commissioner Ansar.

4040
03:21:39.806 --> 03:21:42.656
On April 20, 2026, the Planning Commission

4041
03:21:42.706 --> 03:21:46.546
unanimously excused Commissioner Dilawar Ansar absence from the

4042
03:21:46.626 --> 03:21:48.286
evening's Planning Commission meeting.

4043
03:21:48.666 --> 03:21:52.426
On April 21, 2026, Chairman Warren Smith contacted the Planning

4044
03:21:52.485 --> 03:21:56.386
Department to request a reconsideration of his vote to excuse the

4045
03:21:56.466 --> 03:21:58.966
absence of Commissioner Ansar at the April

4046
03:21:59.146 --> 03:22:01.566
2026 Planning Commission meeting.

4047
03:22:02.086 --> 03:22:06.026
Chairman Smith has rescinded his vote to excuse Commissioner Ansar

4048
03:22:06.036 --> 03:22:09.846
due to not receiving proper notification ahead of the scheduled meeting.

4049
03:22:10.346 --> 03:22:10.686
Thank you.

4050
03:22:11.306 --> 03:22:11.566
Thank you.

4051
03:22:13.186 --> 03:22:14.226
Any discussion on that?

4052
03:22:19.006 --> 03:22:19.706
I wasn't here.

4053
03:22:20.346 --> 03:22:20.686
Yes.

4054
03:22:21.306 --> 03:22:21.586
Okay.

4055
03:22:22.866 --> 03:22:24.426
Commissioner Dziedzic, do you have something you wanted to say?

4056
03:22:24.746 --> 03:22:28.166
No, I wanted to make a comment about the planned unit

4057
03:22:28.246 --> 03:22:29.806
development meeting that I went to.

4058
03:22:30.206 --> 03:22:30.606
Go ahead.

4059
03:22:31.486 --> 03:22:33.666
No, no, no, that's in the middle of this. No.

4060
03:22:37.186 --> 03:22:39.246
Do it after. Yeah, do it after.

4061
03:22:40.106 --> 03:22:40.846
Okay. All right.

4062
03:22:42.166 --> 03:22:45.866
Mr. Chair, I do have a... I think I was

4063
03:22:45.946 --> 03:22:48.226
sick, and I informed the last moment.

4064
03:22:48.526 --> 03:22:52.506
Today also I'm sick, but I thought I should

4065
03:22:52.586 --> 03:22:54.866
be here, and that's why I came here.

4066
03:22:55.306 --> 03:22:56.966
Other day, I was really sick probably.

4067
03:22:57.326 --> 03:22:59.566
I thought it's going to be bad to be in the meeting.

4068
03:23:00.146 --> 03:23:03.906
That's the reason, at the last moment, I had to say I

4069
03:23:03.946 --> 03:23:07.316
cannot make it, because I don't want to make a situation embarrassing for other

4070
03:23:07.386 --> 03:23:09.446
people, and other people can get sick, too.

4071
03:23:11.366 --> 03:23:15.246
Okay. But normally, if you're going to be sick and you think you can't make

4072
03:23:15.306 --> 03:23:17.816
it, then I know if you're sick, you don't want to-

4073
03:23:17.866 --> 03:23:19.666
Some of the situation, you cannot.

4074
03:23:20.256 --> 03:23:20.526
Pardon me?

4075
03:23:20.706 --> 03:23:24.446
Like today, you see that I'm still coughing, but I made it.

4076
03:23:24.526 --> 03:23:27.186
But other day, the situation was not like that.

4077
03:23:27.226 --> 03:23:27.946
You can

4078
03:23:29.966 --> 03:23:32.146
tell two weeks before that you are getting sick.

4079
03:23:32.766 --> 03:23:35.986
But I understand that. All I'm just saying is just let somebody know.

4080
03:23:36.726 --> 03:23:37.456
You can text somebody.

4081
03:23:37.456 --> 03:23:39.046
I think I emailed.

4082
03:23:39.206 --> 03:23:41.246
No. We got no email or anything.

4083
03:23:43.046 --> 03:23:44.706
That's the reason we did it as unexcused.

4084
03:23:46.326 --> 03:23:47.696
Oh. I did not?

4085
03:23:48.286 --> 03:23:48.426
No.

4086
03:23:50.186 --> 03:23:53.446
Oh, then that was probably completely I missed it-

4087
03:23:53.506 --> 03:23:53.926
No

4088
03:23:53.946 --> 03:23:54.386
... somehow.

4089
03:23:55.326 --> 03:23:57.246
But we accept your excuse now, but

4090
03:23:58.426 --> 03:23:59.986
it's already been unexcused, so.

4091
03:24:00.206 --> 03:24:00.666
Mr. Chairman.

4092
03:24:01.806 --> 03:24:02.866
Just let us know next time.

4093
03:24:03.826 --> 03:24:04.426
Okay. I'll wait.

4094
03:24:04.506 --> 03:24:04.826
Okay.

4095
03:24:04.866 --> 03:24:07.446
Then probably I completely missed it.

4096
03:24:07.706 --> 03:24:09.686
All right. Very good. Thank you, sir.

4097
03:24:11.046 --> 03:24:11.686
Commissioner Dziedzic?

4098
03:24:12.266 --> 03:24:15.966
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On April 23rd, we had a

4099
03:24:16.006 --> 03:24:18.326
planned unit development committee meeting.

4100
03:24:19.526 --> 03:24:22.446
This was in regarding to putting an

4101
03:24:23.226 --> 03:24:26.266
EV charging station with canopy

4102
03:24:28.146 --> 03:24:31.846
behind the gas station at the Meijer on

4103
03:24:31.966 --> 03:24:32.686
Mound Road,

4104
03:24:33.926 --> 03:24:35.266
south of 13 Mile Road.

4105
03:24:37.426 --> 03:24:39.126
They're going to put in for

4106
03:24:40.166 --> 03:24:42.466
EV charging for cars there,

4107
03:24:43.646 --> 03:24:45.506
and I think

4108
03:24:47.346 --> 03:24:49.866
they're putting that in, but what I walked away from

4109
03:24:50.826 --> 03:24:54.566
is that we in Warren do not have any

4110
03:24:54.646 --> 03:24:57.646
ordinance or any way to control

4111
03:24:58.046 --> 03:25:01.106
handicapped. We all paint them blue.

4112
03:25:01.226 --> 03:25:04.826
There is no ordinance, no law to paint them blue

4113
03:25:06.046 --> 03:25:07.646
for handicapped.

4114
03:25:08.586 --> 03:25:12.146
And I think that it would make sense for the planning

4115
03:25:12.946 --> 03:25:15.326
department to take a look at if we're doing

4116
03:25:16.426 --> 03:25:19.326
handicapped blue, if we're doing

4117
03:25:20.066 --> 03:25:23.806
EV, possibly do the paint in

4118
03:25:24.126 --> 03:25:24.746
green

4119
03:25:25.586 --> 03:25:27.406
to signify EV.

4120
03:25:28.346 --> 03:25:32.236
But there are no rules for colors on any of this, either from the

4121
03:25:32.446 --> 03:25:33.966
city or the state,

4122
03:25:35.606 --> 03:25:37.046
or the county that I know of.

4123
03:25:37.906 --> 03:25:41.886
And that was the one thing that I was very surprised about. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

4124
03:25:42.166 --> 03:25:42.356
Thank you.

4125
03:25:45.886 --> 03:25:49.686
Mr. Chair? That is correct. There's no state law regarding the

4126
03:25:49.746 --> 03:25:50.826
color of striping.

4127
03:25:51.066 --> 03:25:51.206
Right.

4128
03:25:51.406 --> 03:25:53.746
I think there's a concern from city council

4129
03:25:55.246 --> 03:25:57.906
to just make the accessible spaces blue,

4130
03:25:58.866 --> 03:26:01.026
and I'm not sure. Right now, there's not an ordinance.

4131
03:26:01.126 --> 03:26:01.466
Yeah.

4132
03:26:01.566 --> 03:26:01.986
Right now.

4133
03:26:02.806 --> 03:26:03.556
That was the part that-

4134
03:26:03.556 --> 03:26:04.306
But that was the only-

4135
03:26:04.456 --> 03:26:07.576
... that I thought I should report to this committee and say something

4136
03:26:08.166 --> 03:26:10.286
because, frankly, I couldn't believe it.

4137
03:26:11.686 --> 03:26:15.116
But it is what it is. And I think going forward,

4138
03:26:15.706 --> 03:26:19.396
if Warren took a step in the direction of

4139
03:26:19.426 --> 03:26:20.966
color-coding some of this stuff,

4140
03:26:22.166 --> 03:26:24.726
we'd be further ahead in the long run.

4141
03:26:25.926 --> 03:26:28.226
That is correct. That's the direction that things might

4142
03:26:29.106 --> 03:26:32.316
be heading. But for that particular development, there was

4143
03:26:32.366 --> 03:26:34.246
an ancillary

4144
03:26:35.226 --> 03:26:37.286
development on the property.

4145
03:26:37.296 --> 03:26:37.626
Right.

4146
03:26:37.706 --> 03:26:41.576
And when council made the approval, there was reference to

4147
03:26:41.586 --> 03:26:42.266
blue striping.

4148
03:26:42.986 --> 03:26:42.996
Okay.

4149
03:26:43.006 --> 03:26:44.526
So I think that's how it came about.

4150
03:26:44.626 --> 03:26:48.326
And that's fine. But I think that we should look into and

4151
03:26:48.406 --> 03:26:52.186
possibly have different striping for different reasons within the city.

4152
03:26:52.566 --> 03:26:53.026
That's it.

4153
03:26:54.246 --> 03:26:57.096
Well, as we have more and more of these EV stations, then that might-

4154
03:26:57.146 --> 03:26:57.526
That's right

4155
03:26:57.586 --> 03:26:58.846
... be something that will be put in-

4156
03:26:58.906 --> 03:27:00.086
Or something close to it.

4157
03:27:00.306 --> 03:27:01.666
Right.

4158
03:27:01.696 --> 03:27:04.186
That being said, I'll make a motion that we adjourn.

4159
03:27:04.446 --> 03:27:05.626
No, I'm not done.

4160
03:27:05.706 --> 03:27:07.136
Can't do that. Can't do that.

4161
03:27:07.136 --> 03:27:08.246
We can adjourn, but I'm not done.

4162
03:27:09.046 --> 03:27:09.586
Should've kept going.

4163
03:27:10.306 --> 03:27:11.086
I'll second that.

4164
03:27:14.846 --> 03:27:17.876
It's... No. Yeah? Yeah. We have to come up with-

4165
03:27:17.926 --> 03:27:18.706
I can second that.

4166
03:27:19.606 --> 03:27:22.166
We have one more thing we have to go over. I know it's getting late.

4167
03:27:23.166 --> 03:27:26.926
I got a email from the council commissions. They want a nomination form.

4168
03:27:27.986 --> 03:27:30.446
Our representative from the council commissions is Merrill.

4169
03:27:31.506 --> 03:27:33.926
You still wanted to be on the commission for that?

4170
03:27:34.706 --> 03:27:34.716
Sure.

4171
03:27:34.806 --> 03:27:38.546
They also want to know the name of alternative, if alternate

4172
03:27:38.606 --> 03:27:39.886
wanted to be on it

4173
03:27:41.694 --> 03:27:42.274
Mr. Chair.

4174
03:27:43.814 --> 03:27:47.784
Mr. Chair. I want to bring something up regarding that real quick, and I don't

4175
03:27:47.794 --> 03:27:50.914
mean to interrupt, but it is regarding that conversation.

4176
03:27:50.954 --> 03:27:51.554
What's this one?

4177
03:27:51.674 --> 03:27:55.474
Yeah. So, with the award ceremony the mayor is holding

4178
03:27:55.674 --> 03:27:56.164
next week,

4179
03:27:57.054 --> 03:27:58.134
is it next week or two weeks?

4180
03:27:59.114 --> 03:28:02.854
I emailed them. This is something I have been bringing up almost every single year

4181
03:28:02.914 --> 03:28:06.334
ever since I joined, is that they don't have halal food options, nor do they

4182
03:28:06.394 --> 03:28:10.084
have seafood or vegetarian options in any of those venues for the

4183
03:28:10.114 --> 03:28:11.644
past four years that I have attended.

4184
03:28:12.674 --> 03:28:16.234
With that, there is quite a significant amount of people that attend

4185
03:28:16.274 --> 03:28:20.134
those that are not able to enjoy the food that is being hosted for

4186
03:28:20.214 --> 03:28:23.754
everyone. So when I emailed Jeff again, when he

4187
03:28:24.094 --> 03:28:26.954
invited everyone in those emails, I emailed, and I asked,

4188
03:28:27.854 --> 03:28:31.704
"What's the scenario going to look like for food this year?" Again, because

4189
03:28:31.774 --> 03:28:35.154
this is actually my fourth email to him in every single year.

4190
03:28:35.474 --> 03:28:38.934
He mentioned the fact that, and this is one of the reasons I want to bring it up,

4191
03:28:39.014 --> 03:28:42.214
he mentioned the fact that a representative from the Planning

4192
03:28:42.274 --> 03:28:46.093
Commission hasn't attended any of the meetings, and that might not be true.

4193
03:28:46.194 --> 03:28:49.974
So I just wanted to bring that up and ask that question, is

4194
03:28:50.014 --> 03:28:51.064
that why

4195
03:28:51.954 --> 03:28:52.834
is that email coming back?

4196
03:28:52.844 --> 03:28:55.334
Most of the meetings they have conflict with our meetings.

4197
03:28:56.414 --> 03:28:57.414
Oh, okay.

4198
03:28:57.444 --> 03:28:57.444
Okay.

4199
03:28:57.574 --> 03:28:58.674
Oh, that works. Yeah, that's...

4200
03:28:59.574 --> 03:28:59.734
Okay.

4201
03:29:01.074 --> 03:29:02.374
That's definitely-- So,

4202
03:29:03.254 --> 03:29:07.084
this is actually my fourth time bringing to the mayor, the previous mayor

4203
03:29:07.134 --> 03:29:10.134
and this mayor, that we don't have any...

4204
03:29:10.314 --> 03:29:12.914
For example, I can't have any food that's not halal.

4205
03:29:12.974 --> 03:29:16.674
So if there's not seafood options, there's not vegetarian options, that really

4206
03:29:16.714 --> 03:29:19.124
limits for me. There's no point in me going.

4207
03:29:19.414 --> 03:29:21.514
I don't know why I'm even going there at this point.

4208
03:29:22.034 --> 03:29:25.864
But I wanted to just bring that up, and I would like to be an alternative to that,

4209
03:29:26.774 --> 03:29:27.834
if possible. Thank you.

4210
03:29:27.994 --> 03:29:28.194
Okay.

4211
03:29:29.514 --> 03:29:32.014
All right then. So what we're going to do, I'm going to put Ms.

4212
03:29:32.094 --> 03:29:33.694
Moray down, Commissioner Moray.

4213
03:29:34.494 --> 03:29:34.504
Okay.

4214
03:29:34.554 --> 03:29:35.354
And Commissioner

4215
03:29:36.594 --> 03:29:38.774
Benecke, Commissioner Moray down here as an alternative.

4216
03:29:39.114 --> 03:29:39.794
Fine.

4217
03:29:39.914 --> 03:29:40.114
And

4218
03:29:41.114 --> 03:29:43.234
we'll fill out the form. You can submit it to Jeff.

4219
03:29:47.294 --> 03:29:48.234
Uh-oh.

4220
03:29:49.654 --> 03:29:50.033
Uh-oh.

4221
03:29:50.314 --> 03:29:50.383
Uh-oh.

4222
03:29:50.383 --> 03:29:50.533
Uh-oh.

4223
03:29:51.614 --> 03:29:52.503
Any other nominations?

4224
03:29:52.533 --> 03:29:55.434
Planning staff would be glad to look into that

4225
03:29:56.374 --> 03:30:00.334
and talk to the mayor directly, and talk to Jeff

4226
03:30:00.414 --> 03:30:04.154
and talk to Mr. Wiegand, and see if we can get the

4227
03:30:04.194 --> 03:30:07.634
proper food that you're able to

4228
03:30:07.714 --> 03:30:08.614
consume. All right?

4229
03:30:09.234 --> 03:30:09.514
Thank you.

4230
03:30:09.554 --> 03:30:10.974
We'll check into it tomorrow.

4231
03:30:12.174 --> 03:30:12.814
You're welcome.

4232
03:30:13.214 --> 03:30:13.224
He has the form.

4233
03:30:13.234 --> 03:30:16.334
Already Moray mentioned that I had same experience.

4234
03:30:16.434 --> 03:30:19.974
I was going to say the same thing. Every year, we don't enjoy the food.

4235
03:30:22.534 --> 03:30:22.674
Oh.

4236
03:30:23.614 --> 03:30:26.114
Who's going to be a substitute for Benecke?

4237
03:30:29.394 --> 03:30:30.944
Okay. Let me have that one back first, Gary then-

4238
03:30:31.034 --> 03:30:31.114
Yeah

4239
03:30:31.234 --> 03:30:32.614
... I'll give you this one.

4240
03:30:32.674 --> 03:30:35.154
She's going to fill everything out on that one, then she can give it to

4241
03:30:36.054 --> 03:30:36.064
you.

4242
03:30:38.274 --> 03:30:39.634
Any other discussion or concerns?

4243
03:30:39.854 --> 03:30:40.793
Mr. Chairman?

4244
03:30:40.854 --> 03:30:41.134
Yes.

4245
03:30:41.954 --> 03:30:45.934
Before the adjournment, I want to thank our newest member, Commissioner Heidi,

4246
03:30:46.034 --> 03:30:46.043
on

4247
03:30:46.894 --> 03:30:49.274
lasting three and a half hours.

4248
03:30:50.354 --> 03:30:50.594
Yeah.

4249
03:30:50.674 --> 03:30:53.874
And I will be surprised if he comes back.

4250
03:30:55.734 --> 03:30:58.614
But thank you for being here, and thank you for joining.

4251
03:30:59.094 --> 03:30:59.874
Thank you, Commissioner Heidi.

4252
03:30:59.954 --> 03:31:01.214
The pleasure is all yours.

4253
03:31:02.234 --> 03:31:02.694
Correct.

4254
03:31:05.014 --> 03:31:05.994
Chip off the old block.

4255
03:31:06.794 --> 03:31:09.454
He's been hanging around you too long.

4256
03:31:09.474 --> 03:31:11.274
We go back a ways, so

4257
03:31:11.334 --> 03:31:11.874
I can tell.

4258
03:31:12.674 --> 03:31:14.754
Item number 11, calendar pending matters.

4259
03:31:14.774 --> 03:31:16.734
Seeing none, motion to adjourn.

4260
03:31:17.054 --> 03:31:18.234
So moved, Mr. Chairman.

4261
03:31:18.894 --> 03:31:19.354
Support.

4262
03:31:20.134 --> 03:31:22.814
We have a motion by Commissioner Dusek, supported by Commissioner Holloway.

4263
03:31:23.314 --> 03:31:24.294
Have a good evening, everyone.

4264
03:31:24.354 --> 03:31:24.654
Thank you.

4265
03:31:24.754 --> 03:31:25.574
You too. Thank you.

4266
03:31:25.584 --> 03:31:26.164
Oh, bye. Thank you