WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.390 --> 00:00:06.940 I'd like to call 2 00:00:08.760 --> 00:00:12.620 to order a regular meeting of the Zoning Board of Appeals for Wednesday, May 3 00:00:12.760 --> 00:00:14.880 27th at 7:00 PM. 4 00:00:16.340 --> 00:00:18.420 Please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance. 5 00:00:20.700 --> 00:00:24.320 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America 6 00:00:24.740 --> 00:00:28.680 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 7 00:00:28.840 --> 00:00:32.259 indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 8 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:35.100 Roll call, Mr. Jersey. 9 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:38.540 Mr. Safaya? 10 00:00:41.180 --> 00:00:41.660 Present. 11 00:00:45.480 --> 00:00:46.060 Mr. Lindsey? 12 00:00:46.420 --> 00:00:46.800 Present. 13 00:00:49.860 --> 00:00:50.380 Mr. Perry? 14 00:00:50.780 --> 00:00:51.080 Present. 15 00:00:51.440 --> 00:00:52.060 Mr. Sessar? 16 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:52.660 Present. 17 00:00:53.220 --> 00:00:53.820 Mr. Watts? 18 00:00:53.900 --> 00:00:54.260 Present. 19 00:00:55.980 --> 00:00:56.440 Mr. Green? 20 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:56.780 Present. 21 00:00:57.400 --> 00:00:59.340 Mr. Clift is absent. 22 00:01:00.540 --> 00:01:02.480 Mr. Jersey's present. Chairman Nystromvich? 23 00:01:02.800 --> 00:01:03.160 Present. 24 00:01:04.330 --> 00:01:06.200 Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to excuse Mr. 25 00:01:06.440 --> 00:01:06.780 Clift- 26 00:01:06.980 --> 00:01:07.300 Support 27 00:01:07.340 --> 00:01:07.590 ... tonight. 28 00:01:08.940 --> 00:01:11.539 So we have a motion by Mr. Jersey, support by Mr. 29 00:01:11.580 --> 00:01:15.230 Sessar, to excuse Mr. Clift tonight, due to 30 00:01:15.300 --> 00:01:17.020 a conflicting- 31 00:01:17.960 --> 00:01:18.280 Schedule 32 00:01:18.320 --> 00:01:18.680 ... schedule. 33 00:01:20.320 --> 00:01:20.800 All in favor? 34 00:01:21.100 --> 00:01:21.800 Aye. 35 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:22.690 Is anybody opposed? 36 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.220 Okay, that takes us to item number four, adoption of the agenda. 37 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:29.400 Do you want to make an announcement- 38 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:29.580 Yeah 39 00:01:29.620 --> 00:01:29.960 ... before we make-- 40 00:01:30.780 --> 00:01:34.240 Just wanted to make an announcement that we are down one board member today, 41 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:38.640 and there are two use variances on the agenda, 42 00:01:39.340 --> 00:01:42.840 which instead of the normal five votes, you need to have six. 43 00:01:44.420 --> 00:01:45.580 So if either of those 44 00:01:46.420 --> 00:01:50.200 applicants would like to reschedule to the next meeting, please approach. 45 00:01:50.360 --> 00:01:54.310 So that would be I Drive Auto, Ms. Purdy, and then there was 46 00:01:55.900 --> 00:01:58.660 one, a Jeffrey Graham, Graham Polis. 47 00:01:59.340 --> 00:02:01.460 I don't know if they're present or not. 48 00:02:02.520 --> 00:02:04.080 What was that? 49 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:07.980 Oh. Jeffrey Graham? Yeah. Yes, he's here. Oh, he is? 50 00:02:08.361 --> 00:02:12.030 He's coming right now. Okay. Because we're 51 00:02:12.100 --> 00:02:15.620 offering... Oh, Ms. Purdy, you want to reschedule to the June 52 00:02:15.760 --> 00:02:16.920 11th or June 10th? 53 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:17.590 June 10th. 54 00:02:17.590 --> 00:02:17.980 June 10th 55 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:21.620 would be fine, thanks. Thank you. Okay. 56 00:02:22.500 --> 00:02:25.540 We were just trying to find out if he wanted to reschedule since we're down one 57 00:02:25.580 --> 00:02:26.120 board member. 58 00:02:27.660 --> 00:02:31.380 But- He will be here. He just knew that. Okay. Hmm. 59 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:35.450 Well, we got off on the same curse- 60 00:02:35.500 --> 00:02:36.210 Yeah, we will 61 00:02:36.600 --> 00:02:37.359 ... so we'll wait for a second. 62 00:02:39.120 --> 00:02:41.240 Oh, there he is. 63 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:42.600 All right. 64 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:43.680 So- 65 00:02:43.710 --> 00:02:43.950 It's okay 66 00:02:43.950 --> 00:02:47.920 ... just a quick question because you have a use variance today which requires six 67 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:49.000 yes votes. 68 00:02:49.040 --> 00:02:49.280 Okay. 69 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.320 And we're down one board member, so we just wanted to ask and offer, 70 00:02:53.940 --> 00:02:57.480 did you want to proceed today or did you want to reschedule to have- 71 00:02:57.609 --> 00:02:57.609 June 10th 72 00:02:57.609 --> 00:02:58.400 ... a full board? 73 00:02:58.460 --> 00:02:59.980 Since we're here, we would like to proceed. 74 00:03:00.040 --> 00:03:00.120 Okay. 75 00:03:00.180 --> 00:03:00.810 Okay. That's- 76 00:03:01.820 --> 00:03:04.360 I do have to go find my client. He can't find the door. 77 00:03:04.600 --> 00:03:06.820 Oh, you're fine. We just needed to know if you wanted to proceed. 78 00:03:06.900 --> 00:03:07.900 It's like, yeah, because you're 79 00:03:08.740 --> 00:03:10.600 at the end of the agenda. Okay. 80 00:03:11.090 --> 00:03:11.710 Oh, we're done, yes. 81 00:03:11.760 --> 00:03:13.560 Okay. So I guess 82 00:03:14.820 --> 00:03:16.760 adoption of the agenda would be... 83 00:03:17.160 --> 00:03:20.940 So yeah, Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to move item 84 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.460 six to the June 10th meeting and then keep the rest of the agenda as written. 85 00:03:24.920 --> 00:03:25.360 Support. 86 00:03:25.370 --> 00:03:25.370 Support. 87 00:03:26.460 --> 00:03:29.200 So we have a motion by Mr. Jersey, and I heard support by Mr. 88 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:29.930 Sessar, 89 00:03:30.810 --> 00:03:34.670 to reschedule item six to June 10th and keep the rest of 90 00:03:34.670 --> 00:03:36.120 the agenda as is. 91 00:03:36.960 --> 00:03:37.900 All in favor? 92 00:03:37.920 --> 00:03:38.359 Aye. 93 00:03:38.420 --> 00:03:39.160 Anybody opposed? 94 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:44.080 Okay. That passes. That takes us to approval of the minutes. 95 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:49.200 Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion to postpone the approval of the 96 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.600 minutes of the regular meetings of April 8th, 2026, April 97 00:03:53.760 --> 00:03:57.210 22nd, 2026, and May 13th, 98 00:03:57.940 --> 00:03:59.580 2026 to the June 10th meeting. 99 00:03:59.940 --> 00:04:00.340 Support. 100 00:04:01.340 --> 00:04:03.959 Okay, we have a motion by Mr. Jersey, support by Mr. 101 00:04:04.140 --> 00:04:07.900 Perry, to move the approval of the minutes to the June 10th 102 00:04:07.980 --> 00:04:09.460 meeting. All in favor? 103 00:04:09.540 --> 00:04:10.000 Aye. 104 00:04:10.060 --> 00:04:13.940 Anybody opposed? The minutes have been rescheduled to June 10th. 105 00:04:14.160 --> 00:04:16.161 Takes us to item number seven. 106 00:04:17.721 --> 00:04:20.981 Item seven. Applicant, Susan Elliot, representative Melissa 107 00:04:21.541 --> 00:04:22.160 Melancon. 108 00:04:23.440 --> 00:04:23.450 Melancon. 109 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.880 Common description 8331 Christine. 110 00:04:27.940 --> 00:04:31.800 Variance is requested permission to, one, allow a seven foot six inch 111 00:04:31.820 --> 00:04:35.680 by seven foot 52.5 square foot shed located 112 00:04:35.700 --> 00:04:38.040 19 feet eight inches from the detached garage. 113 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:41.760 Two, allow a total 774.5 square feet of accessory 114 00:04:41.860 --> 00:04:45.740 structure floor area, which includes a 52.5 square foot shed, 115 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.790 120 square foot covered rear patio, and 116 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.260 572 square foot detached garage. 117 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.600 If you could just start by stating your name and address for the record and take us 118 00:04:56.640 --> 00:04:57.620 through your request. 119 00:04:59.220 --> 00:05:00.300 Susan Elliot. 120 00:05:01.320 --> 00:05:04.880 And address? Melissa Melancon at 8331 Christine. 121 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:07.120 Okay. Same address for both? Yes. Okay. 122 00:05:07.700 --> 00:05:10.000 Then if you could just take us through your request. 123 00:05:10.660 --> 00:05:14.480 We're requesting that we be allowed to keep 124 00:05:14.540 --> 00:05:18.240 our little shed. It's a seven and a half foot by seven foot 125 00:05:19.200 --> 00:05:21.820 little maid shed. 126 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:28.580 And I used to be a residential contractor, and I have built probably 127 00:05:28.760 --> 00:05:32.680 four garages that have burnt down because of gasoline and 128 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.660 other stuff inside of it. And so we would like to have that 129 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:40.560 little shed so we can store things like that inside of it and 130 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:42.320 keep it outside of our garage. 131 00:05:44.420 --> 00:05:47.820 Okay. Thank you for that 132 00:05:47.880 --> 00:05:50.280 explanation. This is a public hearing. 133 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:53.320 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item also? 134 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:58.560 Not seeing anybody, I close the public portion and turn it over to the board for 135 00:05:58.680 --> 00:05:59.680 questions and discussion. 136 00:06:07.008 --> 00:06:07.488 Mr. Chair. 137 00:06:07.868 --> 00:06:08.668 Yes, Mr. Watts. 138 00:06:09.308 --> 00:06:09.568 So, 139 00:06:11.728 --> 00:06:12.588 a couple questions. 140 00:06:13.548 --> 00:06:17.468 I usually drive by everything that we have on the agenda, but 141 00:06:17.528 --> 00:06:19.068 because it's in the backyard, I can't 142 00:06:19.888 --> 00:06:20.888 see what's going on there. 143 00:06:21.368 --> 00:06:21.428 Yeah. 144 00:06:21.548 --> 00:06:23.828 So is this all this work already completed? 145 00:06:25.888 --> 00:06:27.968 The shed is there on a wooden platform. 146 00:06:28.588 --> 00:06:32.268 It's not on a rat wall, so the rat wall is not built yet, 147 00:06:32.528 --> 00:06:33.268 but we 148 00:06:34.748 --> 00:06:37.188 will put it to code if we are allowed to have it. 149 00:06:38.068 --> 00:06:38.368 Okay. 150 00:06:39.888 --> 00:06:40.548 And the 151 00:06:43.228 --> 00:06:46.468 patio structure, the accessory structure floor... 152 00:06:47.368 --> 00:06:50.128 Wait, that's for the shed. The patio, that's already there, too? 153 00:06:50.788 --> 00:06:51.248 Yes, sir. 154 00:06:52.548 --> 00:06:52.847 Okay. 155 00:06:54.708 --> 00:06:58.458 I have a question for our 156 00:06:58.488 --> 00:07:01.508 zoning department. 157 00:07:05.768 --> 00:07:08.888 My question is, how did we get here? 158 00:07:08.988 --> 00:07:12.228 Was there a complaint? Did they went to pull a building permit? 159 00:07:12.868 --> 00:07:13.068 What 160 00:07:15.908 --> 00:07:16.448 happened here? 161 00:07:17.308 --> 00:07:18.128 It was a complaint. 162 00:07:18.228 --> 00:07:19.888 Yeah, it was a complaint. 163 00:07:20.888 --> 00:07:21.128 Okay. 164 00:07:21.188 --> 00:07:22.108 By your neighbor. 165 00:07:22.118 --> 00:07:22.118 Okay. 166 00:07:25.288 --> 00:07:25.508 And 167 00:07:26.548 --> 00:07:30.368 if this gets approved, you guys will be following up for the rat wall 168 00:07:30.408 --> 00:07:33.448 permit to get that off of wood structure. Is that correct? 169 00:07:33.668 --> 00:07:34.108 Yes, sir. 170 00:07:34.508 --> 00:07:35.188 Oh, with him. 171 00:07:36.108 --> 00:07:36.288 Yes. 172 00:07:36.488 --> 00:07:37.058 Okay. All right. Thank you. 173 00:07:37.068 --> 00:07:38.288 Yeah. There's an open enforcement. 174 00:07:38.348 --> 00:07:39.408 Oh, okay. Thank you. 175 00:07:39.608 --> 00:07:39.888 Yes, sir. 176 00:07:40.268 --> 00:07:42.138 One quick question while you're still there. Mr. Chair? 177 00:07:42.408 --> 00:07:42.978 Yes, Mr. Green. 178 00:07:43.048 --> 00:07:46.578 So rubber shed, rat walls, it's 179 00:07:46.648 --> 00:07:48.708 just everything's the same as any shed? 180 00:07:49.888 --> 00:07:50.378 Yeah. All sheds- 181 00:07:50.378 --> 00:07:50.918 All right 182 00:07:50.928 --> 00:07:51.958 ... required to be on a slab, whether they have- 183 00:07:51.988 --> 00:07:53.748 But, I mean, a rubber doesn't make any difference. 184 00:07:53.888 --> 00:07:53.988 No. 185 00:07:54.268 --> 00:07:54.788 Okay, thanks. 186 00:07:55.408 --> 00:07:56.368 Perfect. 187 00:07:59.128 --> 00:07:59.628 Mr. Chairman? 188 00:07:59.948 --> 00:08:02.298 Yes, Mr. Lindsey. Oh, yeah, Mr. Safaya. 189 00:08:02.568 --> 00:08:05.728 If there aren't any other comments, I'd like to make a motion. 190 00:08:05.768 --> 00:08:05.948 Okay. 191 00:08:06.188 --> 00:08:09.888 I make a motion to grant permission to allow a 7 foot 6 inch 192 00:08:10.028 --> 00:08:13.648 by 7 foot 52.5 square foot shed located 193 00:08:13.688 --> 00:08:14.148 19 194 00:08:15.027 --> 00:08:18.768 feet 8 inches from the detached garage, and allow a total of 195 00:08:19.028 --> 00:08:22.828 774.5 square feet of accessory structure floor 196 00:08:22.868 --> 00:08:26.028 area, which includes a 52.5 square foot shed, 197 00:08:26.548 --> 00:08:30.248 120 square foot covered rear patio, and 572 198 00:08:30.328 --> 00:08:33.989 square foot detached garage. Due to the size and shape of the lot, it's not a 199 00:08:34.028 --> 00:08:35.869 detriment to the area. 200 00:08:36.088 --> 00:08:36.108 Support. 201 00:08:36.148 --> 00:08:36.788 And that's it. 202 00:08:37.129 --> 00:08:37.489 Support. 203 00:08:39.188 --> 00:08:42.009 So we have a motion by Mr. Safaya, support by Mr. Jersey. 204 00:08:42.228 --> 00:08:42.749 Mr. Chair? 205 00:08:43.148 --> 00:08:43.619 Yes, Mr. Green. 206 00:08:43.648 --> 00:08:45.948 Do we need a condition that says a rat wall? 207 00:08:46.148 --> 00:08:48.048 Because it's not on here anywhere. 208 00:08:48.128 --> 00:08:49.988 No, because it's part of the needed permit. 209 00:08:50.468 --> 00:08:51.288 Yeah. So, no? 210 00:08:51.708 --> 00:08:51.958 No. 211 00:08:51.958 --> 00:08:52.008 No. 212 00:08:55.008 --> 00:08:58.808 And support by Mr. Jersey for the reasons stated in the motion. Roll call. 213 00:08:59.028 --> 00:08:59.668 Mr. Safaya? 214 00:09:00.008 --> 00:09:01.548 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 215 00:09:01.648 --> 00:09:04.208 Mr. Jersey votes yes for the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Perry? 216 00:09:04.608 --> 00:09:06.008 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 217 00:09:06.198 --> 00:09:06.828 Mr. Assessor? 218 00:09:07.388 --> 00:09:08.948 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 219 00:09:09.068 --> 00:09:11.708 Mr. Watts? Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Green? 220 00:09:11.848 --> 00:09:12.088 Yes. 221 00:09:12.968 --> 00:09:13.588 Mr. Lindsey? 222 00:09:14.128 --> 00:09:15.127 Yes, for the reasons stated. 223 00:09:15.548 --> 00:09:16.568 Chairman Stovitch? 224 00:09:16.808 --> 00:09:19.328 Yes, for reasons stated in the motion. Your request is approved. 225 00:09:19.848 --> 00:09:20.588 Thank you very much. 226 00:09:26.108 --> 00:09:27.688 Takes us to item number eight. 227 00:09:29.648 --> 00:09:32.968 Item eight. Applicant, Paul Bay. Representative, Paul Bay. 228 00:09:33.108 --> 00:09:35.968 Cabin description, 27676 Milton. 229 00:09:36.468 --> 00:09:37.848 Variance has requested permission to 230 00:09:38.688 --> 00:09:40.868 store an RV in the front yard of the property. 231 00:09:42.608 --> 00:09:46.038 So if you could start with your name and address and then take us through your 232 00:09:46.088 --> 00:09:46.608 request. 233 00:09:47.488 --> 00:09:48.688 Yes, my name is Paul Bay. 234 00:09:49.588 --> 00:09:51.608 I live at 27676 Milton. 235 00:09:52.528 --> 00:09:54.268 I have an RV in front of my house. 236 00:09:55.888 --> 00:09:57.128 Size and shape of the lot, 237 00:09:57.948 --> 00:10:01.858 plus being landlocked by my house, I cannot 238 00:10:01.908 --> 00:10:03.088 get it in the backyard. 239 00:10:05.948 --> 00:10:06.568 Personally, the 240 00:10:08.668 --> 00:10:11.108 back of the RV is 100 feet off the road. 241 00:10:12.228 --> 00:10:14.068 I have no issues with my neighbors. 242 00:10:14.968 --> 00:10:18.668 None of my neighbors within 500 feet have any problem with my RV. 243 00:10:20.568 --> 00:10:24.048 I have one of my neighbors across the street right here with me. 244 00:10:25.347 --> 00:10:28.828 Like I said, I'm doing the best I can with what I got. 245 00:10:28.907 --> 00:10:32.008 It's on concrete, looks good. I keep my yard good. 246 00:10:32.608 --> 00:10:34.568 I've been a citizen 247 00:10:35.508 --> 00:10:39.248 of Warren for my whole life. I've lived at this address 248 00:10:39.348 --> 00:10:41.768 probably 45 years. 249 00:10:43.128 --> 00:10:46.308 This is the first time I've actually had some trouble with the city with something 250 00:10:46.348 --> 00:10:49.948 like this, and it's actually been there for quite some time. 251 00:10:50.008 --> 00:10:53.368 But somebody spotted it and yeah, here I am. 252 00:10:54.328 --> 00:10:54.388 So 253 00:10:55.968 --> 00:10:59.808 I'm looking for the variance of code, like I say, size and shape of the lot. 254 00:11:01.128 --> 00:11:01.427 Okay. 255 00:11:02.328 --> 00:11:03.588 Thank you for that explanation. 256 00:11:04.608 --> 00:11:07.688 This is a public hearing. Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this 257 00:11:07.768 --> 00:11:08.048 item? 258 00:11:10.528 --> 00:11:12.328 I am the neighbor across the street. 259 00:11:12.428 --> 00:11:15.268 You can approach the podium and start with your name and address- 260 00:11:15.308 --> 00:11:15.378 Okay 261 00:11:15.378 --> 00:11:16.148 ... and then your comments. 262 00:11:16.368 --> 00:11:19.768 Lynn B. Genie, 27679 263 00:11:19.968 --> 00:11:23.448 Milton Avenue. I live directly across the street. 264 00:11:24.228 --> 00:11:27.748 It's not like the RV's in the middle of the yard. It's off to the side. 265 00:11:28.128 --> 00:11:30.968 It's not a rust bucket or anything. It looks fine. 266 00:11:31.248 --> 00:11:32.468 Don't even notice it's there. 267 00:11:34.668 --> 00:11:34.678 Okay. 268 00:11:34.848 --> 00:11:35.838 There's been no problem. 269 00:11:36.228 --> 00:11:37.688 Okay. Thank you for those comments. 270 00:11:38.608 --> 00:11:41.448 Yeah, I just wanted to ask, I had actually put 271 00:11:43.628 --> 00:11:47.508 probably every neighbor within 500 feet of that RV. 272 00:11:48.488 --> 00:11:50.808 I have all the signatures of everybody. 273 00:11:50.868 --> 00:11:51.848 Yeah, we do have that. 274 00:11:52.088 --> 00:11:52.098 Within 500. 275 00:11:52.098 --> 00:11:52.948 That was provided to us. 276 00:11:53.688 --> 00:11:56.608 Yeah, I took a picture of it and stuff like that for everybody to see, I guess. 277 00:11:57.988 --> 00:11:58.168 Yeah. 278 00:12:00.088 --> 00:12:01.048 Like I say, I'm just kind of 279 00:12:03.148 --> 00:12:06.928 bewildered, I guess, why I'm being harassed by it, but it's up to you 280 00:12:07.008 --> 00:12:09.148 people, I guess, to decide one way or another. 281 00:12:09.368 --> 00:12:10.778 Okay. Thank you. I will- 282 00:12:10.788 --> 00:12:11.118 Mr. Chair 283 00:12:11.128 --> 00:12:14.868 ... close the public portion of the meeting and turn it over to the 284 00:12:14.928 --> 00:12:16.548 board. You had a comment- 285 00:12:16.868 --> 00:12:16.928 Yeah 286 00:12:16.938 --> 00:12:17.358 ... Mr. Jersey? 287 00:12:17.448 --> 00:12:17.648 Yeah. 288 00:12:19.008 --> 00:12:22.918 Good evening, sir. So first thing is when I got 289 00:12:22.948 --> 00:12:23.628 the material 290 00:12:26.036 --> 00:12:29.236 I was kind of taken back that you 291 00:12:30.036 --> 00:12:32.716 didn't explain any of your conditions on why 292 00:12:34.096 --> 00:12:37.436 this is an unreasonable impact, why it's not 293 00:12:37.476 --> 00:12:40.696 self-imposed. The property's unique. This whole sheet's blank. 294 00:12:41.816 --> 00:12:42.516 So 295 00:12:43.576 --> 00:12:47.336 that to me, you've not really 296 00:12:47.356 --> 00:12:50.886 exhibited any one of these criterias basically because 297 00:12:51.396 --> 00:12:54.436 the sheet's blank. But based off what you've just told 298 00:12:54.456 --> 00:12:57.236 me, the property isn't unique. 299 00:12:58.796 --> 00:12:58.996 To me, 300 00:13:01.176 --> 00:13:05.056 maybe not in your immediate area, but if we grant this, it's going to be a problem 301 00:13:05.096 --> 00:13:07.436 going forward with anybody in the city. 302 00:13:08.396 --> 00:13:09.016 So to me, 303 00:13:09.896 --> 00:13:13.886 maybe not necessarily in your case, but I could see this being a detriment to 304 00:13:13.936 --> 00:13:14.416 the area 305 00:13:17.076 --> 00:13:20.996 going forward. I don't think you've exhibited it to be 306 00:13:21.336 --> 00:13:24.796 a necessary thing, and I don't believe that you've 307 00:13:26.516 --> 00:13:30.376 also completed the personal or 308 00:13:30.416 --> 00:13:30.916 economic 309 00:13:31.956 --> 00:13:32.956 impact of it. So, 310 00:13:34.776 --> 00:13:37.976 I can appreciate all your neighbors getting behind you and all that, but 311 00:13:38.036 --> 00:13:41.716 unfortunately, that's not a way to grant a 312 00:13:41.756 --> 00:13:42.196 variance 313 00:13:43.536 --> 00:13:45.656 through this board. You have to prove 314 00:13:47.156 --> 00:13:51.056 all six of these criterias. That you're unreasonably 315 00:13:51.116 --> 00:13:54.196 impacted or burdened, that it's not self-imposed. 316 00:13:54.236 --> 00:13:55.136 It is self-imposed 317 00:13:55.936 --> 00:13:58.566 because it's parked there. The property is not unique, 318 00:14:01.456 --> 00:14:05.416 in my eyes. You'd have to exhibit that the property is unique to the 319 00:14:05.456 --> 00:14:07.666 point where you can't put it anywhere else, 320 00:14:08.496 --> 00:14:12.216 and also exhibit that it's not a detriment to the neighbors. 321 00:14:12.336 --> 00:14:14.296 Obviously, it is to somebody because you're here. 322 00:14:14.656 --> 00:14:16.816 So somebody turned you in somewhere along the way. 323 00:14:16.896 --> 00:14:18.036 I don't have a question yet, sir. 324 00:14:19.516 --> 00:14:19.896 And then 325 00:14:20.996 --> 00:14:23.876 you haven't exhibited it being not personal or economic, 326 00:14:25.096 --> 00:14:27.436 but you have exhibited that it's necessary based off the 327 00:14:30.736 --> 00:14:32.556 square footage of your lot, the way your lot's set up. 328 00:14:33.116 --> 00:14:34.426 So I'll give you probably one of the 329 00:14:35.576 --> 00:14:37.106 six. So that's my 330 00:14:38.556 --> 00:14:42.236 argument. I'll probably be voting no, just for the simple 331 00:14:42.276 --> 00:14:43.845 fact that if we start doing this 332 00:14:45.876 --> 00:14:49.456 with this property, which goes with the property 333 00:14:49.496 --> 00:14:52.856 forevermore. So every decision we make up here goes with the property 334 00:14:53.176 --> 00:14:57.076 indefinitely. So the next person who comes behind 335 00:14:57.156 --> 00:14:57.276 you 336 00:14:58.156 --> 00:15:02.076 might want to put an RV or something there, they can do that. 337 00:15:02.636 --> 00:15:04.996 And I just think it's a bad precedent for the city 338 00:15:05.996 --> 00:15:09.596 to start going down that road where we have RVs parked in the front yard. 339 00:15:09.656 --> 00:15:10.996 So I'll yield the floor on that. 340 00:15:11.676 --> 00:15:12.296 Mr. Chair? 341 00:15:12.796 --> 00:15:13.476 Yes, Mr. Watts. 342 00:15:14.416 --> 00:15:14.656 So, 343 00:15:16.916 --> 00:15:19.256 question to our zoning department. 344 00:15:19.536 --> 00:15:22.136 This is a complaint because there's nothing in our packet. 345 00:15:26.356 --> 00:15:28.616 There was a complaint turned over to the department. 346 00:15:28.796 --> 00:15:30.656 I'm not sure if it was a neighbor complaint. 347 00:15:30.736 --> 00:15:33.966 I believe it may have come from the property maintenance department from the city. 348 00:15:34.016 --> 00:15:35.296 Okay. All right. Thank you. 349 00:15:35.356 --> 00:15:35.696 And turned over to zoning. 350 00:15:35.756 --> 00:15:36.036 Thank you. 351 00:15:37.436 --> 00:15:37.676 So, 352 00:15:43.276 --> 00:15:46.396 I grant you, the yards are big and your house is at the back, 353 00:15:47.216 --> 00:15:50.136 but that doesn't differentiate from anybody else in the city. 354 00:15:50.216 --> 00:15:52.396 I personally have a 35-foot RV myself, 355 00:15:53.556 --> 00:15:54.216 and I can't 356 00:15:55.516 --> 00:15:59.256 have it at my house like that. I've gotten in 357 00:15:59.296 --> 00:16:00.856 trouble just for bringing it home to load. 358 00:16:03.896 --> 00:16:04.296 So, 359 00:16:06.436 --> 00:16:10.016 it's dangerous precedent for us to set because if we approve 360 00:16:10.076 --> 00:16:10.516 yours, 361 00:16:11.516 --> 00:16:14.896 everybody that owns a camper in the city's going to want to put their camper in 362 00:16:14.916 --> 00:16:15.886 their front driveway 363 00:16:16.756 --> 00:16:20.426 and what have you. And we've had these problems throughout 364 00:16:20.476 --> 00:16:24.336 the city. The 365 00:16:24.376 --> 00:16:28.356 other thing is, like my counterpart here said, it 366 00:16:28.396 --> 00:16:31.456 goes with the property. The variance goes with the property. 367 00:16:31.536 --> 00:16:35.436 So if the next guy that moves into your property drives a semi-tractor 368 00:16:35.516 --> 00:16:38.996 trailer, he could back a semi-tractor trailer in there, and we're having problems 369 00:16:39.036 --> 00:16:40.316 with that already, too. So, 370 00:16:41.876 --> 00:16:44.556 I'm going to be a no vote. I don't think it's unreasonable. 371 00:16:44.595 --> 00:16:48.456 I personally pay to store three trailers, and there's a lot of storage 372 00:16:48.516 --> 00:16:50.976 lots around, so I don't think it's a 373 00:16:51.376 --> 00:16:55.336 burden or anything like that. So I'll be a no vote. 374 00:16:55.996 --> 00:16:56.886 Well, can I- 375 00:16:56.896 --> 00:16:57.436 Mr. Chair? 376 00:16:57.545 --> 00:16:59.026 Mr. Chair, is there a question? If there's- 377 00:16:59.316 --> 00:17:00.456 No, I have no questions. 378 00:17:00.556 --> 00:17:00.756 Okay. 379 00:17:00.796 --> 00:17:01.216 Mr. Chair? 380 00:17:01.656 --> 00:17:02.446 Yeah. Yes, Mr. Green. 381 00:17:02.526 --> 00:17:06.096 I'll be a no vote also. It doesn't meet the practical difficulty standard and 382 00:17:06.136 --> 00:17:10.076 denying it is not going to cause or create any unreasonable impact on 383 00:17:10.176 --> 00:17:13.676 you. It's actually caused by your own 384 00:17:13.796 --> 00:17:16.296 actions, and the property is not unique. 385 00:17:16.656 --> 00:17:20.586 And granting a variance will have a negative impact on the area in 386 00:17:20.616 --> 00:17:23.896 the long run, and it's economically motivated. 387 00:17:23.956 --> 00:17:27.716 Obviously, nobody wants to spend money to store stuff, but the situation 388 00:17:27.757 --> 00:17:31.036 in the city of Warren's not there for that. 389 00:17:31.516 --> 00:17:35.096 And it's not necessary to avoid a hardship, so it doesn't meet any of the hardship 390 00:17:35.176 --> 00:17:37.116 criteria. So I'll be a no vote. 391 00:17:38.396 --> 00:17:42.096 Okay, thank you, Mr. Green. Any other comments or any 392 00:17:42.376 --> 00:17:42.936 motions? 393 00:17:44.016 --> 00:17:44.396 Mr. Chair? 394 00:17:44.596 --> 00:17:45.326 Yes, Mr. Watts. 395 00:17:45.516 --> 00:17:48.836 If there's no others, I'll make a motion to deny 396 00:17:49.776 --> 00:17:53.276 permission to store an RV in the front yard of the property based on 397 00:17:53.896 --> 00:17:56.616 it is not a burden. 398 00:17:57.836 --> 00:17:59.036 It's self-imposed. 399 00:18:00.956 --> 00:18:04.846 The property is unique, but that doesn't allow for an RV to be stored in the 400 00:18:04.856 --> 00:18:06.336 front yard. 401 00:18:07.536 --> 00:18:09.196 It is a detriment to the neighborhood, 402 00:18:10.616 --> 00:18:14.216 and there's no personal or economic situation there. 403 00:18:14.276 --> 00:18:14.476 So 404 00:18:15.776 --> 00:18:16.036 that's it. 405 00:18:17.336 --> 00:18:17.636 Support? 406 00:18:19.156 --> 00:18:19.166 Support. 407 00:18:19.176 --> 00:18:20.756 Okay. So we have a motion to deny by Mr. 408 00:18:20.916 --> 00:18:21.656 Watts and it was- 409 00:18:22.076 --> 00:18:22.356 Can I 410 00:18:23.636 --> 00:18:24.496 speak on my behalf? 411 00:18:24.856 --> 00:18:28.636 Well, there wasn't any question from the board at this 412 00:18:28.676 --> 00:18:30.456 point, so unfortunately 413 00:18:30.476 --> 00:18:34.262 not.Look, we have support by Mr. 414 00:18:34.512 --> 00:18:35.032 Assessor. 415 00:18:35.532 --> 00:18:35.992 Mr. Green. 416 00:18:36.212 --> 00:18:37.172 Mr. Green, sorry. 417 00:18:41.552 --> 00:18:42.122 Roll call, please. 418 00:18:42.122 --> 00:18:42.122 What? 419 00:18:42.122 --> 00:18:42.122 Roll call. 420 00:18:42.132 --> 00:18:42.612 Yeah, roll call. 421 00:18:44.002 --> 00:18:44.512 Mr. Watts. 422 00:18:45.092 --> 00:18:47.022 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in motion. 423 00:18:47.212 --> 00:18:47.612 Mr. Green. 424 00:18:47.712 --> 00:18:49.592 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 425 00:18:50.072 --> 00:18:50.612 Mr. Perry. 426 00:18:50.952 --> 00:18:52.792 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 427 00:18:52.852 --> 00:18:53.512 Mr. Assessor. 428 00:18:54.272 --> 00:18:56.232 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 429 00:18:56.312 --> 00:18:56.912 Mr. Lindsay. 430 00:18:57.312 --> 00:18:59.212 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 431 00:18:59.272 --> 00:18:59.952 Mr. Safaya. 432 00:19:00.432 --> 00:19:02.342 Yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 433 00:19:02.542 --> 00:19:04.692 Mr. Jersey votes yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 434 00:19:04.712 --> 00:19:05.852 Chairman Stovitch. 435 00:19:05.912 --> 00:19:08.562 I also vote yes to deny for the reasons stated in the motion. 436 00:19:08.632 --> 00:19:11.252 Unfortunately, your request has been denied by the board. 437 00:19:13.552 --> 00:19:17.012 So if you have any questions, I guess you'd approach the 438 00:19:17.472 --> 00:19:19.501 zoning/building department and see what next steps- 439 00:19:19.512 --> 00:19:19.692 Well, 440 00:19:20.612 --> 00:19:22.892 you guys have already voted against this and stuff like that. 441 00:19:23.012 --> 00:19:26.092 I would put this in my backyard, which is part of your code. 442 00:19:27.132 --> 00:19:30.472 I do not have a typical Warren 443 00:19:30.732 --> 00:19:32.632 residence with 60 by 120. 444 00:19:33.852 --> 00:19:37.672 I have over half an acre. I would put it in the backyard on concrete, it would be 445 00:19:37.751 --> 00:19:41.332 no problem. But you guys have already denied me. I get that. 446 00:19:41.392 --> 00:19:45.012 And like I said, I have all my neighbors that say they don't have a problem with 447 00:19:45.032 --> 00:19:48.092 this. It's not setting a precedent. 448 00:19:48.182 --> 00:19:49.372 We understand, but it does set a precedent. 449 00:19:49.512 --> 00:19:51.692 It is a unique part because- 450 00:19:51.892 --> 00:19:52.872 Mr. Chair, point of order 451 00:19:53.672 --> 00:19:54.752 ... everyone on that street has- 452 00:19:54.792 --> 00:19:54.832 I know, but- 453 00:19:54.872 --> 00:19:55.282 Point of order 454 00:19:55.282 --> 00:19:56.282 ... has a large lot 455 00:19:56.392 --> 00:19:57.312 ... we're re-arguing the- 456 00:19:57.372 --> 00:19:58.402 I know. But we have- 457 00:19:58.402 --> 00:19:59.182 ... thing that we denied 458 00:19:59.492 --> 00:20:01.802 ... voted, and unfortunately, you have been denied. 459 00:20:03.092 --> 00:20:06.892 So at this point, there's nothing else that we can do on this item. 460 00:20:07.392 --> 00:20:11.332 Well, like I say, thanks for letting me rebuttal on some of these comments 461 00:20:11.352 --> 00:20:11.942 that you guys made. 462 00:20:11.942 --> 00:20:12.852 Okay, it's time for the next item. 463 00:20:12.862 --> 00:20:12.862 Next item. 464 00:20:13.552 --> 00:20:16.072 So unfortunately, we do need to move on to item number nine. 465 00:20:16.602 --> 00:20:19.492 Item nine. Applicant, Mohammed Hassan. 466 00:20:19.852 --> 00:20:20.672 Representative, 467 00:20:21.732 --> 00:20:25.172 Kasir Nada. Account description 23008 468 00:20:25.212 --> 00:20:25.812 Dequindre. 469 00:20:26.632 --> 00:20:27.932 Variance is requested permission to 470 00:20:32.352 --> 00:20:35.832 reduce the size of the front yard setback of eight feet. 471 00:20:38.052 --> 00:20:40.612 Good evening, everyone. My name is Nada. 472 00:20:41.392 --> 00:20:44.772 We have Life Architect company. We're working in this project 473 00:20:45.912 --> 00:20:48.072 and representing the owner for 474 00:20:48.512 --> 00:20:51.432 23008 Dequindre Road. 475 00:20:52.372 --> 00:20:55.812 We are requesting approval for the 476 00:20:55.872 --> 00:20:59.232 existing parking lot and then the escaping 477 00:20:59.272 --> 00:21:02.972 certification. The revised site plan was 478 00:21:03.032 --> 00:21:06.852 updated per planning department comments, 479 00:21:07.052 --> 00:21:09.592 including the concrete curb, 480 00:21:10.592 --> 00:21:13.632 slab dimension, and escaping improvement. 481 00:21:14.592 --> 00:21:18.032 Parking updates and size notes. 482 00:21:19.152 --> 00:21:22.972 No building expansion is proposed. 483 00:21:23.892 --> 00:21:27.612 And if you would like, I can explain what happened 484 00:21:27.672 --> 00:21:31.312 before this owner, the previous owner, what he did. 485 00:21:33.172 --> 00:21:36.572 So the previous owner removed a part of the 486 00:21:36.612 --> 00:21:39.972 required front landscaping and replaced 487 00:21:40.052 --> 00:21:41.712 it with concrete 488 00:21:43.332 --> 00:21:47.112 to widen the parking display area. 489 00:21:47.352 --> 00:21:49.272 This is created as a 490 00:21:50.272 --> 00:21:54.072 zoning and landscaping setback violation 491 00:21:54.152 --> 00:21:57.652 because the approval site plan require 492 00:21:57.752 --> 00:22:01.392 landscaping area along Nine Mile 493 00:22:01.832 --> 00:22:03.052 and Dequindre Road. 494 00:22:04.292 --> 00:22:07.992 So we updated the site plan to reflect the existing 495 00:22:08.252 --> 00:22:12.012 field condition and are now correcting 496 00:22:12.932 --> 00:22:16.692 the site by adding back a landscaping area, 497 00:22:17.272 --> 00:22:21.132 shrubs, and concrete curbing as requested by 498 00:22:21.172 --> 00:22:22.492 the planning department 499 00:22:23.392 --> 00:22:27.192 and the zoning board. The new two 500 00:22:28.032 --> 00:22:31.932 concrete curbs, slab, and landscaping island 501 00:22:32.632 --> 00:22:36.392 are being added to separate the parking area 502 00:22:36.472 --> 00:22:40.432 from the sidewalk and improve the site 503 00:22:40.492 --> 00:22:43.572 safety and appearance. No building 504 00:22:43.652 --> 00:22:44.852 expansion is 505 00:22:44.872 --> 00:22:53.032 proposed. 506 00:22:53.172 --> 00:22:56.362 Okay. Thank you very much for that explanation. This is a public hearing. 507 00:22:56.372 --> 00:22:58.752 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item? 508 00:23:00.032 --> 00:23:03.762 Not seeing any, I close the public portion and turn it over to the board for- 509 00:23:05.352 --> 00:23:05.362 Impact statement. 510 00:23:05.362 --> 00:23:07.372 Oh, there's an impact statement, yes, sir. Okay. 511 00:23:08.552 --> 00:23:12.392 Per Ron Worth of the planning department, after review of the request, no issues 512 00:23:12.412 --> 00:23:14.532 were found to impact the abutting local or general public. 513 00:23:14.572 --> 00:23:17.902 The petitioner received planning commission approval for a minor amendment with 514 00:23:17.932 --> 00:23:21.482 conditions for parking lot and landscaping modifications to existing gas station on 515 00:23:21.512 --> 00:23:23.032 March 23rd, 2026. 516 00:23:24.252 --> 00:23:24.712 Mr. Chair? 517 00:23:25.052 --> 00:23:25.612 Yes, Mr. Green. 518 00:23:25.712 --> 00:23:27.022 Just clarification of the reason. 519 00:23:27.712 --> 00:23:31.492 Petitioner seeks variance to reduce the size of two eight-foot 520 00:23:31.632 --> 00:23:32.332 green belts. 521 00:23:33.212 --> 00:23:35.472 Reduce the size to something, to an- 522 00:23:35.892 --> 00:23:37.972 Yeah, to 5.7 feet. 523 00:23:38.212 --> 00:23:40.492 And where was that? How did I miss it? 524 00:23:41.812 --> 00:23:43.012 Is it on the site plan itself? 525 00:23:43.542 --> 00:23:43.542 Mm-hmm. 526 00:23:43.552 --> 00:23:43.712 Yeah. 527 00:23:44.172 --> 00:23:45.672 It's along the Dequindre property line. 528 00:23:45.752 --> 00:23:48.432 So they're going to reduce it from eight to 5.7. Okay, thank you. 529 00:23:48.472 --> 00:23:49.252 That answers the question. 530 00:23:49.532 --> 00:23:49.852 So, 531 00:23:50.692 --> 00:23:51.252 good evening, ma'am. 532 00:23:53.032 --> 00:23:53.052 Good evening. 533 00:23:53.352 --> 00:23:57.062 I just have one quick question. So I'm guessing that this got red 534 00:23:57.132 --> 00:24:00.232 flagged when you purchased the property, right? 535 00:24:00.292 --> 00:24:01.432 When- 536 00:24:01.452 --> 00:24:01.652 Yeah 537 00:24:01.662 --> 00:24:02.902 ... the gas station was purchased- 538 00:24:02.902 --> 00:24:02.942 So, yeah 539 00:24:02.942 --> 00:24:05.372 ... you guys had no idea that this was changed? 540 00:24:05.412 --> 00:24:08.112 No, we had no idea about zoning and the- 541 00:24:08.652 --> 00:24:10.872 So basically you're going to kind of keep it as is, 542 00:24:11.912 --> 00:24:15.652 as it is right now currently. You just need the variance to get it up to speed, 543 00:24:16.212 --> 00:24:17.832 is my understanding correct? 544 00:24:18.552 --> 00:24:22.392 Yes. But we try to fix as we 545 00:24:22.462 --> 00:24:22.832 can- 546 00:24:23.072 --> 00:24:23.082 Sure 547 00:24:23.082 --> 00:24:26.772 ... with the city, and we meet with them many times, and 548 00:24:26.872 --> 00:24:30.712 we come with this as a final thing. It's between 549 00:24:30.832 --> 00:24:31.812 us and city. 550 00:24:32.812 --> 00:24:35.012 I can appreciate the plan. 551 00:24:35.992 --> 00:24:39.332 And I can appreciate the hardship too that you 552 00:24:39.372 --> 00:24:41.152 didn't really know about when 553 00:24:42.072 --> 00:24:45.772 purchasing the propertyNobody knows that that 554 00:24:45.912 --> 00:24:48.112 wasn't with the site plan when you go to 555 00:24:48.152 --> 00:24:50.692 bat a property. 556 00:24:52.172 --> 00:24:55.992 So I don't see this being anything crazy other 557 00:24:56.052 --> 00:24:58.772 than trying to right a past wrong, 558 00:24:59.592 --> 00:25:00.552 and I don't think it's the 559 00:25:01.952 --> 00:25:05.332 petitioner's fault that this was incurred. 560 00:25:05.952 --> 00:25:09.112 Definitely wasn't by her doing or their doing. 561 00:25:10.092 --> 00:25:10.312 So 562 00:25:11.852 --> 00:25:14.872 unless I'm missing something, I think I can get behind this, so I'll yield the 563 00:25:14.912 --> 00:25:15.412 floor on that. 564 00:25:17.502 --> 00:25:18.412 Mr. Chair? 565 00:25:19.472 --> 00:25:20.072 Yes, Mr. Watts. 566 00:25:20.612 --> 00:25:22.632 So question to our zoning department. 567 00:25:29.252 --> 00:25:30.332 Sorry to keep calling you up. 568 00:25:30.612 --> 00:25:31.002 No problem. 569 00:25:32.092 --> 00:25:33.192 So I'm looking at the 570 00:25:34.192 --> 00:25:37.682 open violation stuff here. Does this correct all of 571 00:25:37.752 --> 00:25:48.732 that? 572 00:25:50.432 --> 00:25:50.992 Yes, it would. 573 00:25:52.052 --> 00:25:52.372 Okay. 574 00:25:54.232 --> 00:25:57.672 All right. Thank you very much. I think I would agree. 575 00:25:57.732 --> 00:26:01.662 I think it's reasonable. There's only so much 576 00:26:01.692 --> 00:26:04.432 you can do on that corner to straighten that out. 577 00:26:04.532 --> 00:26:06.692 Okay. Thank you. 578 00:26:07.372 --> 00:26:07.732 Thank you. 579 00:26:08.772 --> 00:26:09.272 Mr. Chairman? 580 00:26:09.552 --> 00:26:10.322 Yes, Mr. Safaya. 581 00:26:10.562 --> 00:26:12.672 If there's no other comments, I move to make a motion. 582 00:26:13.822 --> 00:26:14.392 All right. 583 00:26:16.132 --> 00:26:20.032 I'd like to grant permission to reduce the 584 00:26:20.072 --> 00:26:23.922 size of the front yard setback of eight feet due to the size and shape of the 585 00:26:23.992 --> 00:26:26.532 lot. It's not a detriment to the area and it's necessary. 586 00:26:26.692 --> 00:26:26.932 Support. 587 00:26:26.972 --> 00:26:28.072 Support. 588 00:26:28.092 --> 00:26:31.942 Okay. We have a motion by Mr. Safaya, and I heard support from Mr. 589 00:26:32.192 --> 00:26:35.492 Jersey to approve the request for the reasons stated in the motion. 590 00:26:36.372 --> 00:26:36.992 Mr. Safaya? 591 00:26:37.372 --> 00:26:38.892 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 592 00:26:39.012 --> 00:26:41.792 Mr. Jersey votes yes for the reasons stated in the motion. Mr. Perry? 593 00:26:42.272 --> 00:26:43.672 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 594 00:26:43.732 --> 00:26:44.412 Mr. Sesser? 595 00:26:44.872 --> 00:26:46.372 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 596 00:26:46.392 --> 00:26:46.902 Mr. Watts? 597 00:26:47.192 --> 00:26:48.492 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 598 00:26:48.612 --> 00:26:48.912 Mr. Green? 599 00:26:49.052 --> 00:26:50.212 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 600 00:26:50.232 --> 00:26:50.772 Mr. Lindsey? 601 00:26:50.992 --> 00:26:52.352 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 602 00:26:52.382 --> 00:26:53.312 And Chairman Stavich. 603 00:26:53.512 --> 00:26:55.732 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. Your request is approved. 604 00:26:56.172 --> 00:26:56.912 Thank you so much. 605 00:26:56.992 --> 00:26:57.171 You're welcome. 606 00:26:57.292 --> 00:26:58.572 Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. 607 00:26:58.612 --> 00:27:00.972 You're welcome. Takes us to item number 10. 608 00:27:05.012 --> 00:27:08.331 Item 10, the applicant, Matthew Caruso. Representative Matthew Caruso. 609 00:27:08.502 --> 00:27:11.672 Common description 24200 Dequindre. 610 00:27:11.692 --> 00:27:15.592 Variances requested permission to, one, allow 35,180 square feet 611 00:27:15.632 --> 00:27:19.222 of gravel area in the rear yard for the purposes of open storage and 612 00:27:19.292 --> 00:27:20.512 maneuvering. Two, 613 00:27:21.332 --> 00:27:25.232 allow a total of 9,169 square feet of open storage exceeding the 614 00:27:25.272 --> 00:27:28.452 allowed 5,830 square feet. 615 00:27:29.892 --> 00:27:33.832 Three, retain 26 parking spaces to within five feet of the south 616 00:27:33.872 --> 00:27:34.472 property line. 617 00:27:36.532 --> 00:27:39.472 You can start with your name and address, and then take us through your request. 618 00:27:39.632 --> 00:27:43.062 Sure. Thank you. Good evening. My name's Matt Caruso, and I'm the 619 00:27:43.152 --> 00:27:46.892 applicant for 24200 Dequindre Road. 620 00:27:47.832 --> 00:27:51.792 The property is zoned M-2 industrial, and the planning commission has 621 00:27:51.872 --> 00:27:54.572 already approved the site plan subject to the requested 622 00:27:54.612 --> 00:27:58.592 variances. The property currently consists of an 623 00:27:58.612 --> 00:28:01.052 existing building that was a bar for many years. 624 00:28:01.292 --> 00:28:04.252 It has a parking lot and a large grass area. 625 00:28:05.372 --> 00:28:09.002 The improvements we are proposing include a new 7,500 square foot maintenance 626 00:28:09.072 --> 00:28:13.052 building, a gravel storage area, and organized concrete 627 00:28:13.152 --> 00:28:16.052 storage bins to support the industrial operation of the site. 628 00:28:17.272 --> 00:28:21.032 The requested variances were for allowing the 629 00:28:21.052 --> 00:28:24.892 proposal gravel storage area, allowing the open 630 00:28:25.012 --> 00:28:28.972 storage associated with the industrial use of the property, and to retain 631 00:28:28.992 --> 00:28:32.372 the existing parking spaces along Center Wood Drive. 632 00:28:34.312 --> 00:28:37.952 As it relates to the existing parking along Center Wood Drive, they already 633 00:28:37.972 --> 00:28:40.952 exist and have functioned safely as a part of the site for many years. 634 00:28:42.232 --> 00:28:45.192 Removing these spaces would reduce operational parking capacity 635 00:28:46.292 --> 00:28:50.272 without creating a meaningful impact or practical benefit to the site 636 00:28:50.332 --> 00:28:54.112 or surrounding area. The proposed gravel area is 637 00:28:54.172 --> 00:28:57.462 intended to support our normal contractor and industrial operations, 638 00:28:58.132 --> 00:29:01.732 including our storage of materials, equipment, and vehicles typical for 639 00:29:02.312 --> 00:29:04.492 our type of operation and this type of property. 640 00:29:05.432 --> 00:29:08.972 The rear portion of the property is currently grass, and the 641 00:29:09.012 --> 00:29:12.872 proposal is intended to improve and organize the site in a functional and 642 00:29:12.952 --> 00:29:14.752 controlled manner. 643 00:29:15.572 --> 00:29:19.362 The open storage areas and concrete bins are a part of the normal operation 644 00:29:19.432 --> 00:29:19.752 needs 645 00:29:21.472 --> 00:29:24.692 of the business and are consistent with industrial 646 00:29:24.812 --> 00:29:28.572 uses in the zoning district. The site plan also 647 00:29:28.612 --> 00:29:32.112 includes screening and landscaping improvements to improve the overall appearance 648 00:29:32.132 --> 00:29:33.342 and organization of the property. 649 00:29:33.892 --> 00:29:37.832 We'll have a fencing and the screening appropriate 650 00:29:37.852 --> 00:29:38.472 with that as well. 651 00:29:40.632 --> 00:29:43.892 So we don't believe that the requested variances will negatively impact the 652 00:29:43.932 --> 00:29:44.792 surrounding areas. 653 00:29:45.852 --> 00:29:49.401 The property is located within an industrial area, and the proposed 654 00:29:49.452 --> 00:29:53.342 improvements are intended to create a more organized and functional 655 00:29:53.372 --> 00:29:56.992 industrial site while remaining compatible with the surrounding 656 00:29:57.012 --> 00:29:57.462 areas. 657 00:29:58.912 --> 00:30:01.452 So in closing, I'd like to thank you for your time and consideration, and I'd be 658 00:30:01.492 --> 00:30:03.812 happy to answer any questions that you may have. 659 00:30:04.532 --> 00:30:07.232 Thank you very much for that. This is a public hearing. 660 00:30:07.272 --> 00:30:09.492 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item? 661 00:30:11.072 --> 00:30:11.942 Not seeing any, I 662 00:30:13.372 --> 00:30:17.132 close the public portion. There is an impact statement to read 663 00:30:17.152 --> 00:30:17.472 in. 664 00:30:18.132 --> 00:30:18.932 Yes, Mr. Chair. 665 00:30:19.932 --> 00:30:21.112 As Mr. Caruso said, 666 00:30:22.252 --> 00:30:24.952 per groundwork of the planning department, after review of the request, no issues 667 00:30:24.972 --> 00:30:27.172 were found to impact the abutting local or general public. 668 00:30:27.792 --> 00:30:28.212 Petitioner 669 00:30:29.032 --> 00:30:30.152 received site plan approval with 670 00:30:31.112 --> 00:30:34.592 conditions for a new maintenance building, addition of gravel area 671 00:30:35.312 --> 00:30:39.212 with bin blocks, outdoor storage, a new driveway to 672 00:30:39.232 --> 00:30:41.192 the side street, and a 673 00:30:42.632 --> 00:30:45.892 AA six foot tall screen fence on March 23rd, 674 00:30:46.232 --> 00:30:46.932 2026. 675 00:30:49.376 --> 00:30:53.296 So the public portion of the meeting is closed, and I turn it over to the 676 00:30:53.316 --> 00:30:55.936 board for any questions or discussion. 677 00:30:57.456 --> 00:30:57.956 Mr. Chair? 678 00:30:58.236 --> 00:30:58.976 Yes, Mr. Watts. 679 00:30:59.976 --> 00:31:00.356 So 680 00:31:03.376 --> 00:31:04.056 I like the 681 00:31:05.036 --> 00:31:07.636 prints. Very detailed, very organized. 682 00:31:07.996 --> 00:31:08.296 Thank you. 683 00:31:08.996 --> 00:31:10.896 That might tell me something about the operation. 684 00:31:12.416 --> 00:31:15.296 I assume this is going to be a commercial landscape operation. 685 00:31:16.196 --> 00:31:16.816 Yes. It's a 686 00:31:17.976 --> 00:31:21.876 landscape operation, yes, in commercial and residential installations. 687 00:31:22.196 --> 00:31:22.316 So- 688 00:31:22.676 --> 00:31:23.826 We provide a service of installations 689 00:31:23.836 --> 00:31:26.496 ... I see the mulch and soil bins and all that. 690 00:31:26.796 --> 00:31:28.496 Is that open to the public, or is it just- 691 00:31:28.876 --> 00:31:29.015 No. 692 00:31:29.216 --> 00:31:29.975 It's just private. 693 00:31:30.096 --> 00:31:30.296 Private. 694 00:31:30.496 --> 00:31:30.716 Okay. 695 00:31:31.576 --> 00:31:31.836 All right. 696 00:31:33.036 --> 00:31:34.816 That's all I have. Thank you. 697 00:31:35.156 --> 00:31:35.436 Thank you. 698 00:31:36.616 --> 00:31:37.126 Mr. Chairman? 699 00:31:37.756 --> 00:31:38.636 Yes, Mr. Safaya. 700 00:31:39.236 --> 00:31:43.056 I don't have a problem with the item three regarding the south 701 00:31:43.116 --> 00:31:45.516 property line. I think it makes sense to keep that as is. 702 00:31:46.056 --> 00:31:48.676 Anytime I hear open storage, I get nervous, 703 00:31:50.076 --> 00:31:53.276 just because it's easy to abuse. But given the detailed site plan, 704 00:31:54.236 --> 00:31:57.916 I don't see any problems or issues with it. 705 00:31:58.456 --> 00:32:01.596 I think it's going to be a very neat operation considering 706 00:32:03.956 --> 00:32:07.876 it is a lot of open storage, but pursuant to the site 707 00:32:07.936 --> 00:32:11.756 plan, there's a lot of room just for maneuvering and open space, which is 708 00:32:11.836 --> 00:32:12.576 always a good thing. 709 00:32:14.056 --> 00:32:15.656 I did have, well, one question. 710 00:32:17.556 --> 00:32:20.816 So with the parking in front, is that just where your employees are going to park 711 00:32:20.876 --> 00:32:21.716 their cars or? 712 00:32:22.456 --> 00:32:22.736 Correct. 713 00:32:23.456 --> 00:32:26.766 Just want to make sure it's not going to be work trucks and anything else. 714 00:32:26.796 --> 00:32:30.216 No, those will be in the back, and we've outlined those on the site plan as well. 715 00:32:31.386 --> 00:32:31.476 Okay. 716 00:32:32.036 --> 00:32:32.516 Mr. Chair? 717 00:32:32.656 --> 00:32:33.376 Yes, Mr. Jersey. 718 00:32:33.896 --> 00:32:35.816 I think this is a really good detailed site plan. 719 00:32:36.116 --> 00:32:39.976 I don't think it's going to be 720 00:32:40.116 --> 00:32:42.656 absolutely impactful to anybody because it's in, 721 00:32:44.176 --> 00:32:46.316 like the gentleman said, it's in a commercial corridor. 722 00:32:47.936 --> 00:32:51.516 We're turning a blighted property into a good use, too. 723 00:32:52.036 --> 00:32:52.336 I know that 724 00:32:55.536 --> 00:32:59.016 parcel's been a couple of different things, and it's been vacant for a little bit. 725 00:32:59.076 --> 00:32:59.236 So, 726 00:33:00.315 --> 00:33:04.256 thank you for taking the time to put thought into and rehab a 727 00:33:04.296 --> 00:33:05.856 good property. And 728 00:33:07.096 --> 00:33:10.586 the one thing I have for you, Mr. Caruso, is I 729 00:33:11.296 --> 00:33:14.746 know this is kind of off the beaten path a little bit, but 730 00:33:14.836 --> 00:33:16.216 signage for the property. 731 00:33:17.116 --> 00:33:20.626 All the variances that currently exist on the property, is that going to fall into 732 00:33:20.636 --> 00:33:22.575 your signage package for- 733 00:33:23.776 --> 00:33:26.416 I believe so. The signage is indicated on the plans- 734 00:33:26.516 --> 00:33:26.666 Section 75 foot 735 00:33:26.666 --> 00:33:28.156 ... and I believe that it does conform. 736 00:33:28.456 --> 00:33:28.716 Okay. 737 00:33:29.796 --> 00:33:30.876 So I didn't know if we could... 738 00:33:32.096 --> 00:33:35.436 Whenever we try to have a changeover or something like that, try to eliminate 739 00:33:35.536 --> 00:33:38.666 older variances that have gone with the property that- 740 00:33:38.696 --> 00:33:38.786 Yeah 741 00:33:39.156 --> 00:33:40.676 ... maybe you don't necessarily need. 742 00:33:41.036 --> 00:33:41.376 Right. 743 00:33:43.056 --> 00:33:43.576 Immediately, 744 00:33:45.036 --> 00:33:47.855 nothing really stood out, so that's why I wanted to ask you the question. 745 00:33:48.256 --> 00:33:48.736 So I guess- 746 00:33:48.816 --> 00:33:48.866 Appreciate it 747 00:33:48.866 --> 00:33:50.156 ... we'll just leave everything as is. 748 00:33:50.356 --> 00:33:51.756 Okay. Thank you. 749 00:33:51.776 --> 00:33:55.586 For the time being. If you come for signage, maybe we could discuss, or additional 750 00:33:55.676 --> 00:33:59.626 signage, we could have that discussion at a later date, but I 751 00:33:59.636 --> 00:34:00.776 think this is a good project. 752 00:34:02.656 --> 00:34:05.676 It'll probably look a lot cleaner than it does now. 753 00:34:05.756 --> 00:34:08.957 I think the site plan also lends to 754 00:34:10.576 --> 00:34:14.196 strict enforcement, too, for him to maintain his 755 00:34:14.216 --> 00:34:16.937 property in such an organized manner. 756 00:34:17.816 --> 00:34:19.256 So I think it's a win-win for both parties. 757 00:34:19.357 --> 00:34:21.526 So thank you for your presentation, and- 758 00:34:21.596 --> 00:34:21.766 Yep, my pleasure 759 00:34:21.766 --> 00:34:22.586 ... I think that's something I could get behind. 760 00:34:22.596 --> 00:34:22.957 Thank you. 761 00:34:22.996 --> 00:34:23.857 So I'll yield the floor. 762 00:34:24.437 --> 00:34:24.857 Mr. Chair? 763 00:34:26.316 --> 00:34:27.156 Yes, Mr. Lindsey. 764 00:34:27.296 --> 00:34:30.676 Yeah, I have one quick, I guess, comment to the board. 765 00:34:31.736 --> 00:34:33.357 So I would agree with everything that's said. 766 00:34:33.417 --> 00:34:36.056 I think this is a wonderful design. 767 00:34:36.256 --> 00:34:40.236 I'm agreeable with the site plan. If I'm thinking longer term, 768 00:34:40.616 --> 00:34:43.016 the gravel has a little bit of concern of mine. 769 00:34:43.357 --> 00:34:47.256 If we allow open storage and gravel, I think for the current site plan, it 770 00:34:47.276 --> 00:34:51.127 makes a lot of sense. But maybe the next company that comes in, it's not 771 00:34:51.156 --> 00:34:52.616 mulch, it's not rock, it's 772 00:34:53.417 --> 00:34:53.937 vehicles. 773 00:34:55.296 --> 00:34:56.516 I don't know if it's an issue, 774 00:34:57.416 --> 00:34:59.385 but that could be an environmental thing later on, 775 00:35:00.316 --> 00:35:04.056 if we have cars leaking and draining into the gravel, rather than on a hard 776 00:35:04.116 --> 00:35:08.016 surface. So I think as it exists today, the site plan makes a 777 00:35:08.056 --> 00:35:09.476 ton of sense. I'm fine with the gravel. 778 00:35:09.556 --> 00:35:13.426 But if you were to move out, and then we have another company come in and 779 00:35:13.596 --> 00:35:16.476 start using that gravel lot that we've approved for something else, that would be 780 00:35:16.496 --> 00:35:17.036 my concern. 781 00:35:17.516 --> 00:35:21.306 Well, when a motion is made, we could actually limit it 782 00:35:21.376 --> 00:35:22.816 to landscape 783 00:35:24.316 --> 00:35:25.016 type of storage. 784 00:35:26.756 --> 00:35:27.776 Landscaping material. 785 00:35:27.836 --> 00:35:31.736 Yeah. I can get behind that. I'm thinking like if this petitioner 786 00:35:31.816 --> 00:35:35.606 moves out of the lot and we've allowed gravel on this lot, and then all of a 787 00:35:35.656 --> 00:35:37.216 sudden, it's a used car lot and an industrial- 788 00:35:37.236 --> 00:35:40.916 Well, that's why the motion could actually state that the outdoor storage- 789 00:35:41.236 --> 00:35:41.356 Yeah 790 00:35:41.376 --> 00:35:45.056 ... can only be landscape-related material, so 791 00:35:45.096 --> 00:35:48.156 therefore, we won't have somebody storing tires out there. 792 00:35:49.216 --> 00:35:50.416 Brian, you want to add something? 793 00:35:50.956 --> 00:35:54.916 Yeah. If there were a future resident there that wanted 794 00:35:55.016 --> 00:35:58.416 open storage at that property, they would still have to go through site plan 795 00:35:58.456 --> 00:35:58.956 approval. 796 00:35:58.996 --> 00:35:59.836 That's what I thought too, yeah. 797 00:35:59.976 --> 00:36:01.516 So if it were to change, 798 00:36:02.396 --> 00:36:04.296 they could deny the site plan for 799 00:36:05.876 --> 00:36:09.756 the reason of what it is that they would be storing on gravel and 800 00:36:09.796 --> 00:36:12.576 ask that it be hard surfaced at that time. 801 00:36:14.456 --> 00:36:15.396 That's true, too. Yep. 802 00:36:16.276 --> 00:36:17.916 Okay. Thank you for that. 803 00:36:19.076 --> 00:36:19.596 I yield the floor. 804 00:36:22.136 --> 00:36:23.576 Any other questions or discussion? 805 00:36:23.976 --> 00:36:24.436 Mr. Chair. 806 00:36:24.526 --> 00:36:24.526 Mr. Watts. 807 00:36:24.556 --> 00:36:26.976 If there's nothing further, I'm prepared to make a motion. 808 00:36:29.216 --> 00:36:33.116 My motion would be to approve variances, number one, allow 809 00:36:33.236 --> 00:36:37.056 35,180 square foot of gravel area in the rear 810 00:36:37.176 --> 00:36:40.296 yard for the purpose of open storage and maneuvering. 811 00:36:40.336 --> 00:36:44.196 Number two, allow a total of 9,169 square foot of open 812 00:36:44.256 --> 00:36:48.176 storage exceeding the allowed 5,830 square foot. 813 00:36:48.196 --> 00:36:52.166 And three, retain 26 parking spaces to within five foot of the 814 00:36:52.166 --> 00:36:53.236 south property line. 815 00:36:54.096 --> 00:36:55.536 Reason for it is, 816 00:36:56.376 --> 00:36:59.536 I don't think any of this is unreasonable. It's not self-imposed. 817 00:37:00.036 --> 00:37:01.436 It's a good fit to the area. 818 00:37:01.876 --> 00:37:02.276 Support. 819 00:37:03.172 --> 00:37:06.941 Quick discussion. So Mr. Watts, do we want to add in the condition that 820 00:37:07.332 --> 00:37:09.492 the storage is for landscape 821 00:37:10.612 --> 00:37:10.952 items? 822 00:37:11.112 --> 00:37:12.512 I'd be happy to add that, yes. 823 00:37:14.332 --> 00:37:16.132 For the current operation, yes, I'll add that. 824 00:37:16.152 --> 00:37:16.412 Okay. 825 00:37:18.712 --> 00:37:20.252 So Mr. Chair, I'd like to amend the motion- 826 00:37:20.612 --> 00:37:22.962 Okay 827 00:37:22.972 --> 00:37:25.452 ... to only include landscaping materials 828 00:37:26.272 --> 00:37:27.512 and supplies on the property. 829 00:37:28.952 --> 00:37:29.292 Perfect. 830 00:37:32.272 --> 00:37:32.772 Okay, so 831 00:37:33.612 --> 00:37:36.192 go ahead. So we had a motion by Mr. Watts- 832 00:37:36.572 --> 00:37:37.712 Support by Mr. Perry 833 00:37:38.052 --> 00:37:38.822 ... and Mr. Perry, 834 00:37:40.112 --> 00:37:43.142 with the motion amended to state that 835 00:37:43.832 --> 00:37:45.492 outdoor storage is for landscape 836 00:37:46.412 --> 00:37:48.472 supplies and items- 837 00:37:48.612 --> 00:37:49.132 Materials 838 00:37:50.192 --> 00:37:50.752 ... and materials. Okay, roll call. 839 00:37:50.952 --> 00:37:51.432 Mr. Watts? 840 00:37:52.392 --> 00:37:53.672 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 841 00:37:53.892 --> 00:37:54.312 Mr. Perry? 842 00:37:54.692 --> 00:37:56.102 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 843 00:37:56.152 --> 00:37:56.792 Mr. Sessar? 844 00:37:57.232 --> 00:37:58.702 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 845 00:37:58.772 --> 00:37:59.152 Mr. Green? 846 00:37:59.332 --> 00:38:00.672 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 847 00:38:00.712 --> 00:38:01.202 Mr. Lindsey? 848 00:38:01.532 --> 00:38:02.772 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 849 00:38:02.782 --> 00:38:03.572 Mr. Safaya? 850 00:38:03.612 --> 00:38:05.052 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. 851 00:38:05.112 --> 00:38:07.631 Mr. Jersey votes yes for the reasons stated in the motion. Chairman Bastovitch? 852 00:38:07.771 --> 00:38:10.452 Yes, for the reasons stated in the motion. Your request has been approved. 853 00:38:10.782 --> 00:38:12.392 Awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 854 00:38:12.802 --> 00:38:12.802 You're welcome. 855 00:38:12.832 --> 00:38:13.252 Thank you. 856 00:38:15.072 --> 00:38:16.022 Takes us to item 11. 857 00:38:22.312 --> 00:38:24.282 Takes us to item 11. Applicant, 858 00:38:25.112 --> 00:38:25.822 Polles Randy, 859 00:38:27.132 --> 00:38:30.692 Representative Jeffrey Graham. Account description 21730 860 00:38:30.712 --> 00:38:34.072 Shanor. Variances requested permission to, one, allow storage of 861 00:38:34.972 --> 00:38:38.352 storage pads 1,800 square feet in an 862 00:38:38.532 --> 00:38:42.252 R1P zone. Two, allow a 10-foot wall for 863 00:38:42.352 --> 00:38:45.052 60.7 feet along the east property line. 864 00:38:45.532 --> 00:38:48.492 You want to start? 865 00:38:49.612 --> 00:38:49.792 Yeah. 866 00:38:50.472 --> 00:38:53.252 Well, the other thing, too. You want to be 867 00:38:54.452 --> 00:38:55.912 in the public. My name is Jeffrey- 868 00:38:55.962 --> 00:38:58.452 Share his name and address, and then what your request is. 869 00:38:58.592 --> 00:39:01.072 My name is Jeffrey Graham, project architect. 870 00:39:01.132 --> 00:39:02.592 My address is 589 871 00:39:03.452 --> 00:39:06.612 Pemberton, Grosse Pointe Park. I'm here representing the client. 872 00:39:06.952 --> 00:39:10.672 Randy Polles is also here, who can answer any questions you might 873 00:39:10.812 --> 00:39:14.752 have. I'd like to just point out that we've already 874 00:39:15.112 --> 00:39:18.272 been before the planning commission, and we've received 875 00:39:19.572 --> 00:39:22.852 site plan approval, as long as we meet the conditions of the variances. 876 00:39:24.672 --> 00:39:28.422 I just wanted to point out that on this site, there are three businesses on this 877 00:39:28.452 --> 00:39:29.272 site, and 878 00:39:31.072 --> 00:39:34.952 one of them already has a variance. 879 00:39:35.212 --> 00:39:39.132 It was given to them years ago for open storage on the 880 00:39:39.232 --> 00:39:40.172 R1P lot, 881 00:39:41.672 --> 00:39:45.532 a portion of their property. The property is a little bit 882 00:39:45.632 --> 00:39:48.892 unique in the sense that we've got this strip of R1P on the back, which 883 00:39:49.792 --> 00:39:53.692 normal businesses wouldn't have, but we're stuck with 884 00:39:53.732 --> 00:39:53.852 it. 885 00:39:55.932 --> 00:39:57.152 The only neighbor 886 00:39:58.672 --> 00:40:02.342 we have, I think may even be here, and he's 887 00:40:02.352 --> 00:40:06.232 fully in support of this. He's given us letters fully in support of 888 00:40:06.292 --> 00:40:06.532 this. 889 00:40:07.472 --> 00:40:11.072 Just to keep in mind that the reason why we're asking for one of the variances to 890 00:40:11.152 --> 00:40:14.472 raise the existing masonry block is to 891 00:40:14.532 --> 00:40:17.592 shield the storage pods from his view. 892 00:40:18.952 --> 00:40:20.592 And the owner was willing to pay for that. 893 00:40:21.512 --> 00:40:25.392 The other thing is that the new open storage that we're asking 894 00:40:25.512 --> 00:40:28.672 for is for storage pods. So there's not going to be any 895 00:40:30.192 --> 00:40:31.572 stacks of tires or 896 00:40:32.492 --> 00:40:36.372 automotive parts. And these storage pods are for the 897 00:40:36.432 --> 00:40:40.232 third business. The third business, which has the 898 00:40:40.292 --> 00:40:43.092 building on the corner, is vending machine 899 00:40:44.452 --> 00:40:48.332 products. They're warehousing, they supply all the vending machines in the 900 00:40:48.412 --> 00:40:52.102 area with products. And they've outgrown their 901 00:40:52.152 --> 00:40:55.772 facility, and so they would like to have a secured 902 00:40:56.972 --> 00:41:00.592 storage behind their building that would be 903 00:41:00.692 --> 00:41:03.772 only containing their products that they will be using. 904 00:41:04.272 --> 00:41:07.272 So it's strictly for the vending machine company. 905 00:41:10.812 --> 00:41:14.972 One 906 00:41:14.992 --> 00:41:18.512 of the last things I wanted to mention was that the 907 00:41:18.792 --> 00:41:19.252 site's been 908 00:41:20.212 --> 00:41:22.941 like it has been for decades. We're adding, though, 909 00:41:24.912 --> 00:41:28.712 to match the setback requirements, a opaque wire fence 910 00:41:30.272 --> 00:41:33.672 on both sides facing both streets. 911 00:41:34.182 --> 00:41:35.872 So we're trying to make the 912 00:41:36.872 --> 00:41:38.262 whole site look a lot tidier, 913 00:41:39.252 --> 00:41:43.152 especially by keeping all the products in containers and adding the 914 00:41:43.192 --> 00:41:46.792 opaque fencing. I hope that you will consider our request, 915 00:41:47.192 --> 00:41:48.552 and I appreciate it. Thank you very much. 916 00:41:48.592 --> 00:41:48.892 Thank you. 917 00:41:49.072 --> 00:41:49.692 Appreciate your time. 918 00:41:49.732 --> 00:41:53.172 Thank you for that explanation. This is a public hearing. 919 00:41:53.202 --> 00:41:55.452 Is there anyone in the audience wishing to speak on this item? 920 00:41:56.372 --> 00:41:56.832 If you could just 921 00:41:58.372 --> 00:42:00.312 start with your name and address, and then your comments. 922 00:42:00.912 --> 00:42:03.612 Hi, everyone. My name is David Draper. 923 00:42:04.112 --> 00:42:06.512 I live at 13650 Ida. 924 00:42:07.492 --> 00:42:11.392 My family owns the house directly behind Randy's property. 925 00:42:11.452 --> 00:42:14.372 His property and our property share the adjoining wall together. 926 00:42:15.272 --> 00:42:19.112 I'm here today in full support of Randy in asking the city for 927 00:42:19.172 --> 00:42:22.612 permission to allow the requested variances. 928 00:42:24.132 --> 00:42:28.012 For context, where we're located, we're on Shanor Road between 929 00:42:28.232 --> 00:42:28.992 8 and 9 Mile, 930 00:42:29.812 --> 00:42:33.092 a block north of Topher. For those who may be 931 00:42:33.152 --> 00:42:37.132 unfamiliar, it's a mix of commercial and residential in 932 00:42:37.172 --> 00:42:37.672 the area, 933 00:42:39.152 --> 00:42:42.652 with businesses along Shanor Road and homes tucked behind them. 934 00:42:43.952 --> 00:42:46.772 Where we're at is a high-traffic area. 935 00:42:46.832 --> 00:42:50.752 We have people coming up and down Shanor Road all day and 936 00:42:50.762 --> 00:42:51.112 nights, 937 00:42:52.412 --> 00:42:54.232 as well as people walking on foot. 938 00:42:55.102 --> 00:42:58.872 Since living in the house, it hasn't always felt like the safest place to live. 939 00:42:58.932 --> 00:43:01.072 Our neighborhood has seen its fair share of crime, 940 00:43:02.092 --> 00:43:05.772 people robbing local businesses, break-ins of people homes, 941 00:43:06.512 --> 00:43:10.392 cars being broken into and stolen, even a drive-by shooting we 942 00:43:10.452 --> 00:43:13.982 had a couple of years ago.We've had such 943 00:43:14.042 --> 00:43:17.962 occurrences happen near and on our own property, which has led 944 00:43:18.022 --> 00:43:20.162 me to the wall we're here to talk about today. 945 00:43:21.482 --> 00:43:24.802 As it stands, the existing wall we have now is too short. 946 00:43:25.702 --> 00:43:29.572 When you're standing outside on either side of the property, you can see right 947 00:43:29.642 --> 00:43:31.282 over the wall. 948 00:43:32.882 --> 00:43:34.922 It doesn't offer much security at all. 949 00:43:35.302 --> 00:43:38.282 People can easily jump over it, and they do. 950 00:43:38.882 --> 00:43:42.442 There have been several occasions of criminals jumping over this wall, 951 00:43:43.082 --> 00:43:46.842 fleeing from the police, trespassing onto Randy's property, 952 00:43:47.662 --> 00:43:49.882 jumping our wall that's way too short, 953 00:43:51.102 --> 00:43:55.062 and jumping into our backyards, into our adjoining neighbors' backyards. 954 00:43:57.162 --> 00:44:00.672 There's been times where I've had police officers in my backyard searching for 955 00:44:00.782 --> 00:44:03.602 criminals in my trash cans, hiding out. 956 00:44:04.822 --> 00:44:08.482 One time I had a police officer show up at my front door at night 957 00:44:09.142 --> 00:44:12.742 with a K9 unit who was asking for permission to search my 958 00:44:12.782 --> 00:44:16.742 backyard for a gun that was thrown over the wall that they suspected from someone 959 00:44:16.762 --> 00:44:17.522 they were chasing. 960 00:44:24.402 --> 00:44:27.542 So as you can see, this existing wall isn't providing enough 961 00:44:27.562 --> 00:44:30.882 security. This wall needs to be higher. 962 00:44:30.962 --> 00:44:34.462 It should be 10 feet, just like Randy would like to build it. 963 00:44:35.142 --> 00:44:38.742 There's a 10-foot wall there that's going to be high enough to where it's going to 964 00:44:38.802 --> 00:44:42.582 keep people out from jumping into our yards, potentially trying to 965 00:44:42.622 --> 00:44:45.352 force themselves into the neighbors' houses in the community. 966 00:44:46.442 --> 00:44:49.662 If we had a taller wall, it would eliminate these problems. 967 00:44:50.422 --> 00:44:53.922 It would make it more safe for the residents in the community, who wouldn't have to 968 00:44:54.002 --> 00:44:54.822 worry about, 969 00:44:56.282 --> 00:44:58.882 again, people trying to force their way in. 970 00:45:00.362 --> 00:45:03.482 I'd also like to say that it's been a blessing to have Randy next door as a 971 00:45:03.522 --> 00:45:03.882 neighbor. 972 00:45:05.082 --> 00:45:08.462 He's night and day comparison to the previous owner. 973 00:45:08.502 --> 00:45:11.872 The previous owner neglected the property, was never around, 974 00:45:12.382 --> 00:45:15.062 didn't maintain it, barely even cut the grass. 975 00:45:15.902 --> 00:45:18.302 Since Randy has moved in, he's cleaned it up. 976 00:45:19.242 --> 00:45:20.522 He's brought it back to life. 977 00:45:21.762 --> 00:45:25.682 He's kept it well-maintained. He's there every day, working hard, 978 00:45:26.142 --> 00:45:30.002 providing a good service to all of his customers in 979 00:45:30.042 --> 00:45:30.842 the community. 980 00:45:32.552 --> 00:45:35.322 I've had no problems with him operating his business next door, 981 00:45:36.242 --> 00:45:38.621 and couldn't ask for a better neighbor. 982 00:45:38.672 --> 00:45:41.582 I'm here to show full support in approving both of these 983 00:45:41.622 --> 00:45:43.402 variances. Thank you. 984 00:45:44.402 --> 00:45:45.462 Thank you for those comments. 985 00:45:46.462 --> 00:45:49.802 With that, I'll close the public portion of the meeting and turn it over to the 986 00:45:49.902 --> 00:45:50.342 board for- 987 00:45:50.462 --> 00:45:50.982 Mr. Chair. 988 00:45:51.282 --> 00:45:52.062 Yes, Mr. Watts. 989 00:45:52.302 --> 00:45:52.682 Hold on. 990 00:45:52.922 --> 00:45:53.102 Oh. 991 00:45:53.162 --> 00:45:53.462 Real quick. 992 00:45:53.562 --> 00:45:54.562 There's another... Oh. 993 00:45:54.622 --> 00:45:54.882 Sorry. 994 00:45:56.162 --> 00:45:57.202 Real quick. Sorry, Mr. Watts. 995 00:45:57.802 --> 00:45:57.812 It's all right. 996 00:45:57.882 --> 00:45:58.022 So, 997 00:45:59.022 --> 00:46:01.462 per groundwork of the planning department. 998 00:46:02.222 --> 00:46:02.462 Yes. 999 00:46:03.542 --> 00:46:06.182 Per groundwork of the planning department, after review of the request, no issues 1000 00:46:06.222 --> 00:46:08.562 were found to impact the abutting local or general public. 1001 00:46:09.042 --> 00:46:10.562 Petitioner received site plan approval 1002 00:46:11.662 --> 00:46:15.461 with conditions for open storage of vehicles and storage pads on February 1003 00:46:15.662 --> 00:46:16.842 9th, 2026. 1004 00:46:19.282 --> 00:46:21.871 Okay, I'll close the public portion and turn it over to the board. And Mr. 1005 00:46:22.102 --> 00:46:23.182 Watts, you've got a comment. 1006 00:46:23.382 --> 00:46:24.002 Okay, thank you. 1007 00:46:26.362 --> 00:46:28.962 I've been by this property a couple times in the last week 1008 00:46:30.582 --> 00:46:31.842 trying to absorb all of this. 1009 00:46:34.362 --> 00:46:37.762 So I guess my first question would be to Brian from zoning. 1010 00:46:42.262 --> 00:46:46.062 I'm seeing on BS&A that we have some court 1011 00:46:46.142 --> 00:46:47.702 action down there. 1012 00:46:48.702 --> 00:46:51.862 And on one of them I show it says, "Failure to appear." 1013 00:46:54.002 --> 00:46:56.722 Can you give me any insight on what's going on there with these 1014 00:46:57.522 --> 00:46:58.002 problems? 1015 00:47:08.842 --> 00:47:11.442 I don't have any information on that on this address. 1016 00:47:11.602 --> 00:47:15.262 All right, because I show open enforcement, and I show failure to appear for 1017 00:47:15.322 --> 00:47:15.622 court, 1018 00:47:19.122 --> 00:47:19.842 in December. 1019 00:47:21.542 --> 00:47:24.022 Said failure to appear. Nope, I'm sorry. 1020 00:47:24.542 --> 00:47:26.102 Yeah, 12/3 of '25. 1021 00:47:26.942 --> 00:47:28.162 Then there was a ticket issued. 1022 00:47:29.091 --> 00:47:32.582 They had disapproval on a follow-up. Then again, not ready. 1023 00:47:33.272 --> 00:47:36.492 The plumbing was approved. Follow-up was disapproved. 1024 00:47:37.002 --> 00:47:39.212 Not ready, not ready, and still scheduled. 1025 00:47:40.122 --> 00:47:40.622 Personally, 1026 00:47:41.682 --> 00:47:43.822 it's a blighted mess down there, in my opinion. 1027 00:47:43.842 --> 00:47:46.302 That may be on the certificate of compliance inspection- 1028 00:47:46.442 --> 00:47:46.702 Yeah. 1029 00:47:46.732 --> 00:47:46.742 That that was raised. 1030 00:47:46.762 --> 00:47:48.042 Yeah. I mean, there's just 1031 00:47:48.982 --> 00:47:51.662 unlicensed cars piled everywhere in the back that I could see. 1032 00:47:51.702 --> 00:47:55.542 Of course, I can't get in to see what's going on, but the 1033 00:47:55.582 --> 00:47:59.482 place is a mess. And then I watched the planning commission meeting... 1034 00:48:00.082 --> 00:48:01.142 I'm all set. Thank you. 1035 00:48:02.002 --> 00:48:04.572 I watched the planning commission meeting when this went through, 1036 00:48:05.422 --> 00:48:09.322 and it said that the pods were going to be used 1037 00:48:09.402 --> 00:48:10.242 for candy. 1038 00:48:11.222 --> 00:48:15.082 And then when I read this packet, it says the pods were going to be used for 1039 00:48:15.122 --> 00:48:16.982 storage of tires or auto parts. 1040 00:48:18.002 --> 00:48:18.722 And then tonight, 1041 00:48:19.842 --> 00:48:23.742 the gentleman says it's going to be used for vending machine items, for 1042 00:48:24.122 --> 00:48:24.262 the 1043 00:48:25.162 --> 00:48:25.762 vend items. 1044 00:48:26.782 --> 00:48:26.982 Now, 1045 00:48:28.182 --> 00:48:28.482 I mean... 1046 00:48:29.442 --> 00:48:33.142 Which is probably where the candy portion came from because of the vending 1047 00:48:33.202 --> 00:48:33.942 machines and- 1048 00:48:34.762 --> 00:48:35.102 Oh, well. 1049 00:48:35.402 --> 00:48:35.872 I think they acquired permission. 1050 00:48:36.072 --> 00:48:39.902 So this is where I'm at. I mean, this plays into the 1051 00:48:39.962 --> 00:48:42.612 whole picture, okay? I don't know what the truth is 1052 00:48:42.682 --> 00:48:46.472 here. One time it's tires, one time it's candy. 1053 00:48:46.902 --> 00:48:50.622 And personally, who would store candy in a pod in the 1054 00:48:50.742 --> 00:48:51.002 back 1055 00:48:52.482 --> 00:48:54.982 in 90-degree weather? Makes no sense to me. 1056 00:48:56.162 --> 00:48:59.072 Makes no sense to me at all. And then it's going to be you're going to have that 1057 00:48:59.122 --> 00:48:59.862 stuff in a pod, 1058 00:49:01.462 --> 00:49:04.122 that's going to be a attraction for rodents and what have you. 1059 00:49:04.682 --> 00:49:05.702 So I have a problem with that. 1060 00:49:07.202 --> 00:49:09.702 There's cars all over the place. I read 1061 00:49:10.562 --> 00:49:13.342 the impact statement, and it says there was no issues found. 1062 00:49:13.982 --> 00:49:17.734 Well-I don't recall ever, as long as I've ever been involved in 1063 00:49:17.774 --> 00:49:21.694 anything in the city, where we allowed even an eight-foot fence, let alone a 1064 00:49:21.734 --> 00:49:25.254 10-foot concrete wall. That is just a 1065 00:49:25.274 --> 00:49:27.174 detriment to the neighborhood, in my opinion. 1066 00:49:29.374 --> 00:49:32.134 I'm familiar with this area. I used to work down the road. 1067 00:49:33.694 --> 00:49:36.674 And honestly, this property has never looked this bad, ever. 1068 00:49:38.594 --> 00:49:42.074 It needs a lot of cleanup. I know one of the other buildings is not the one that 1069 00:49:42.134 --> 00:49:42.714 he's using. 1070 00:49:43.774 --> 00:49:47.534 I don't know what the deal is there, but it says here the zoning 1071 00:49:47.934 --> 00:49:48.654 is only 60 1072 00:49:49.454 --> 00:49:52.534 wide, I think it says. It can be used for a lot of things. 1073 00:49:52.574 --> 00:49:54.734 It's been used for things for years and years and years. 1074 00:49:55.344 --> 00:49:57.034 I don't know what the big deal is here. 1075 00:49:59.254 --> 00:50:01.754 It says the configuration has been this way for decades. 1076 00:50:01.794 --> 00:50:05.184 Yeah, but they self-imposed it by overfilling it with 1077 00:50:05.974 --> 00:50:06.654 junk cars. 1078 00:50:09.174 --> 00:50:10.594 The site is too small to configure. 1079 00:50:10.674 --> 00:50:13.114 Well, yeah, that's because you're trying to put too much stuff 1080 00:50:14.234 --> 00:50:15.574 into the property. 1081 00:50:18.054 --> 00:50:20.033 Yes, it is a detriment to the area. 1082 00:50:21.074 --> 00:50:21.554 So I 1083 00:50:22.774 --> 00:50:25.773 can't get behind this in any way, shape, or form. 1084 00:50:27.694 --> 00:50:30.354 The pods are going to be a detriment to the area. 1085 00:50:31.034 --> 00:50:34.714 The 10-foot high wall, I can't imagine having a 10-foot 1086 00:50:34.774 --> 00:50:38.034 wall down the side of my house. It just doesn't make any sense at all to me. 1087 00:50:39.254 --> 00:50:41.414 So I'm going to be a no vote on this, and 1088 00:50:42.274 --> 00:50:43.374 I'll leave it at that. Thank you. 1089 00:50:43.854 --> 00:50:45.084 Mr. Chair. 1090 00:50:45.104 --> 00:50:45.754 Yes, Mr. Green. 1091 00:50:46.234 --> 00:50:47.784 So looking at this, it's 1092 00:50:48.594 --> 00:50:50.654 complicated. I did drive by the property. 1093 00:50:50.714 --> 00:50:53.454 It's not your best-looking property. 1094 00:50:56.054 --> 00:51:00.034 I think as far as a use variance goes, this property can be used 1095 00:51:00.114 --> 00:51:00.754 as zoned. 1096 00:51:03.334 --> 00:51:04.424 And I think you answered 1097 00:51:06.094 --> 00:51:09.954 part of the problem when you gave your presentation, and the 1098 00:51:10.034 --> 00:51:12.454 fact is that you've outgrown the facility. 1099 00:51:13.014 --> 00:51:15.154 As a result of outgrowing the facility, 1100 00:51:16.334 --> 00:51:20.034 like any business, you're trying to look for solutions to 1101 00:51:20.094 --> 00:51:22.564 solve outgrowing your building. And I 1102 00:51:23.834 --> 00:51:25.103 personally don't believe that 1103 00:51:26.934 --> 00:51:30.174 the way you're going with the storage pods is the answer. 1104 00:51:30.814 --> 00:51:34.434 And as long as I've been on the ZBA, six-foot fences are six-foot 1105 00:51:34.534 --> 00:51:36.514 fences. That's just the way we do it. 1106 00:51:37.214 --> 00:51:40.214 And I did do a little bit of research on the fences. 1107 00:51:40.734 --> 00:51:44.714 Nowhere did it say anywhere in any of the stuff that I've read for the city 1108 00:51:44.734 --> 00:51:45.894 of Warren that 1109 00:51:46.754 --> 00:51:50.454 business fences, I'm trying to say this right, business fences 1110 00:51:50.594 --> 00:51:52.254 are for neighborhood security. 1111 00:51:53.374 --> 00:51:55.574 Business fences are to 1112 00:51:56.203 --> 00:51:59.954 block people from seeing in for, number one, the 1113 00:51:59.994 --> 00:52:03.814 security of the business, whatever they have stored there, and number 1114 00:52:03.874 --> 00:52:04.914 two, 1115 00:52:05.774 --> 00:52:09.174 for the aesthetic look around the building. 1116 00:52:09.674 --> 00:52:12.374 But we've never approved anything over six foot. 1117 00:52:12.434 --> 00:52:16.114 Maybe I'd like you to remember, but six foot's always been the standard. 1118 00:52:16.174 --> 00:52:19.734 And the 10-foot fence for security reasons is 1119 00:52:20.274 --> 00:52:23.014 completely another issue, I think. 1120 00:52:23.074 --> 00:52:26.254 And they're trying to solve the issue with a 10-foot fence. 1121 00:52:26.294 --> 00:52:29.854 I don't think that works. So that's my feelings on this particular piece of 1122 00:52:29.874 --> 00:52:31.054 property. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 1123 00:52:32.534 --> 00:52:33.914 Thank you for those comments, Mr. Green. 1124 00:52:34.834 --> 00:52:35.454 Mr. Chairman? 1125 00:52:35.494 --> 00:52:36.284 Yes, Mr. Safaya. 1126 00:52:36.594 --> 00:52:40.374 I have similar comments. I have a problem with the pods in the rear of the 1127 00:52:40.394 --> 00:52:43.334 building. I think there's already a security concern there, and that's going to 1128 00:52:43.394 --> 00:52:45.274 just attract more nuisance. 1129 00:52:46.274 --> 00:52:49.734 As far as the wall goes, I think the wall could be a little bit higher. 1130 00:52:49.814 --> 00:52:53.434 I don't know. I think 10 feet's overkill, but perhaps eight 1131 00:52:53.494 --> 00:52:56.914 feet. We've seen that occasionally in certain circumstances. 1132 00:52:57.594 --> 00:53:01.174 My problem is we're taking this property and trying to accommodate a 1133 00:53:01.214 --> 00:53:04.274 business. We've already issued a variance in 1134 00:53:04.394 --> 00:53:07.314 2021 to allow open storage of the vehicles, 1135 00:53:08.154 --> 00:53:11.834 and now we're asking for additional open 1136 00:53:11.954 --> 00:53:13.574 storage. And I want to see 1137 00:53:14.794 --> 00:53:18.174 the property accommodating a business within the ordinance. 1138 00:53:18.214 --> 00:53:20.854 It seems like we're trying to take a business and 1139 00:53:22.234 --> 00:53:26.054 force it into this zoning designation that just doesn't fit. 1140 00:53:27.534 --> 00:53:30.844 So I'm unfortunately not going to be able to get behind this 1141 00:53:30.874 --> 00:53:32.214 tonight. 1142 00:53:34.634 --> 00:53:35.524 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Safaya. 1143 00:53:35.524 --> 00:53:36.274 Mr. Chair. 1144 00:53:36.314 --> 00:53:36.844 Yes, Mr. Rogers. 1145 00:53:36.854 --> 00:53:38.974 If there's no other comments, I have one more comment. 1146 00:53:42.814 --> 00:53:46.654 I know we've discussed this before, but the way 1147 00:53:46.774 --> 00:53:47.214 I read 1148 00:53:49.634 --> 00:53:52.154 the comments on BS&A, 1149 00:53:53.714 --> 00:53:56.234 there's open enforcement on the property. 1150 00:53:56.854 --> 00:54:00.474 A failure to appear on a ticket is a problem for me, 1151 00:54:01.234 --> 00:54:04.074 and that tells me that he's in default to the city 1152 00:54:04.934 --> 00:54:08.054 by not following the code and not fixing things or showing up in court. 1153 00:54:08.694 --> 00:54:08.934 Now, 1154 00:54:09.934 --> 00:54:11.514 if you go to get a building permit, 1155 00:54:13.354 --> 00:54:16.634 you can't get a building permit if you're in default on your water or your taxes. 1156 00:54:18.714 --> 00:54:21.554 And I would consider this the same situation. 1157 00:54:22.934 --> 00:54:23.194 So, 1158 00:54:24.774 --> 00:54:27.954 Brian, did you have a comment? I seen you walking this way. 1159 00:54:30.474 --> 00:54:34.274 I did look that up. It was for not completing a certificate of compliance in the 1160 00:54:34.334 --> 00:54:35.884 time allotted for it. 1161 00:54:35.934 --> 00:54:36.234 Okay. 1162 00:54:37.534 --> 00:54:37.734 So- 1163 00:54:37.974 --> 00:54:38.334 Mr. Chair 1164 00:54:38.414 --> 00:54:42.274 ... there you have it in a situation there, and I'll 1165 00:54:42.294 --> 00:54:44.574 defer to Mr. Green, but I have a motion to be made. 1166 00:54:44.674 --> 00:54:47.994 So this might be a discussion item for us also as we discuss some of these other 1167 00:54:48.054 --> 00:54:48.654 ordinances. 1168 00:54:48.814 --> 00:54:49.054 Go ahead. 1169 00:54:49.094 --> 00:54:52.814 I did notice that some cities do have ordinances that 1170 00:54:52.894 --> 00:54:53.684 say if there's, 1171 00:54:54.774 --> 00:54:56.034 I want to say pending, or there's, 1172 00:54:57.474 --> 00:54:58.394 what is it? The- 1173 00:54:59.354 --> 00:54:59.494 Default 1174 00:54:59.794 --> 00:55:03.274 ... default, yeah, default or whatever, that it doesn't proceed. 1175 00:55:03.814 --> 00:55:05.494 So that might be something for us to look at 1176 00:55:06.534 --> 00:55:08.814 if that's something that we want to do too. 1177 00:55:08.874 --> 00:55:09.034 So 1178 00:55:09.894 --> 00:55:10.134 just to 1179 00:55:11.194 --> 00:55:11.514 point. 1180 00:55:11.974 --> 00:55:12.074 Okay. 1181 00:55:12.554 --> 00:55:13.194 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 1182 00:55:13.514 --> 00:55:15.434 I'd like to withdraw our application. 1183 00:55:17.434 --> 00:55:20.954 With withdraw it? Yeah, we can do that. 1184 00:55:21.654 --> 00:55:23.854 Is that fine for him to do that way? Okay. 1185 00:55:24.794 --> 00:55:25.074 Yeah. 1186 00:55:25.794 --> 00:55:27.374 We don't need a vote or anything, do we? 1187 00:55:27.684 --> 00:55:27.724 No. 1188 00:55:27.724 --> 00:55:29.934 Okay. Just wanted to make sure we didn't need a vote on that. 1189 00:55:29.994 --> 00:55:30.054 Okay. 1190 00:55:30.074 --> 00:55:31.404 So you want to withdraw the application? 1191 00:55:31.454 --> 00:55:35.434 Yeah. We're going to re-meet with the planning department and see if 1192 00:55:35.474 --> 00:55:36.874 we can't work some other things out. 1193 00:55:37.214 --> 00:55:37.414 Okay. 1194 00:55:38.064 --> 00:55:38.064 All right. 1195 00:55:38.134 --> 00:55:41.124 So should we share what withdraw mean, what it means? 1196 00:55:41.594 --> 00:55:44.694 Because that means they have another year, right, before they can... 1197 00:55:44.714 --> 00:55:46.254 Am I wrong, Jennifer? 1198 00:55:46.374 --> 00:55:49.894 If we don't vote, yeah, they could bring it back, yes. 1199 00:55:53.054 --> 00:55:54.174 So I'm just trying to... 1200 00:55:55.114 --> 00:55:57.994 Okay, so we have a motion on the floor. 1201 00:55:59.914 --> 00:56:00.754 So does that need to be 1202 00:56:03.054 --> 00:56:03.534 voted on? 1203 00:56:04.234 --> 00:56:05.504 Well, we didn't vote. 1204 00:56:05.504 --> 00:56:06.524 Oh, there wasn't a motion. 1205 00:56:06.554 --> 00:56:07.714 Oh, there was no motion on the floor? 1206 00:56:08.034 --> 00:56:09.634 I'm prepared to make a motion either way. 1207 00:56:09.714 --> 00:56:09.734 I 1208 00:56:10.534 --> 00:56:13.394 still have a problem with this. He can withdraw his application, I guess, 1209 00:56:13.974 --> 00:56:14.754 but 1210 00:56:15.734 --> 00:56:18.574 we come here, we got all this stuff, and we have enforcement issues. 1211 00:56:20.114 --> 00:56:22.113 I don't get it, but whatever. 1212 00:56:22.674 --> 00:56:22.724 Well, he can withdraw- 1213 00:56:22.724 --> 00:56:24.294 So, Mr. Chair, I'm going to defer to the- 1214 00:56:24.374 --> 00:56:24.754 I was going to say- 1215 00:56:24.814 --> 00:56:25.494 ... city attorney. 1216 00:56:27.774 --> 00:56:29.394 You understand what I'm trying to say, Ms. Spears? 1217 00:56:30.614 --> 00:56:32.434 Yeah. So no motion has been made yet. 1218 00:56:32.774 --> 00:56:36.834 The 1219 00:56:36.854 --> 00:56:38.034 petitioner can withdraw, 1220 00:56:39.254 --> 00:56:40.024 but he could- 1221 00:56:40.074 --> 00:56:40.474 At any time 1222 00:56:40.634 --> 00:56:44.524 ... bring it back. But I think that would be silly knowing what 1223 00:56:44.554 --> 00:56:47.274 the board's feelings are on this. So, I- 1224 00:56:47.674 --> 00:56:48.954 Yeah, we would change the design. 1225 00:56:49.274 --> 00:56:49.454 Yeah. 1226 00:56:50.274 --> 00:56:50.594 Thank you. 1227 00:56:51.774 --> 00:56:52.414 So I would- 1228 00:56:53.014 --> 00:56:53.024 Okay. 1229 00:56:53.034 --> 00:56:56.474 I would make a motion to withdraw item 11 for a 1230 00:56:56.754 --> 00:56:58.654 date to be determined. 1231 00:56:58.674 --> 00:56:58.734 No, 1232 00:57:00.514 --> 00:57:00.864 it's just- 1233 00:57:00.874 --> 00:57:01.224 Don't need it? 1234 00:57:01.264 --> 00:57:01.704 ... it's gone away. 1235 00:57:01.714 --> 00:57:02.434 Then it's gone away. 1236 00:57:02.494 --> 00:57:02.594 Yeah. 1237 00:57:02.654 --> 00:57:02.714 Yeah. 1238 00:57:02.754 --> 00:57:03.314 We don't need a vote. 1239 00:57:03.534 --> 00:57:03.834 Correct. 1240 00:57:03.914 --> 00:57:04.194 Okay. 1241 00:57:05.414 --> 00:57:05.614 Okay. 1242 00:57:05.814 --> 00:57:06.274 Thank you very much. 1243 00:57:06.434 --> 00:57:06.554 Yep. 1244 00:57:06.654 --> 00:57:06.994 Thank you. 1245 00:57:07.004 --> 00:57:07.334 You're welcome. 1246 00:57:16.674 --> 00:57:20.554 Okay. Item 12 is new business. I don't know if everybody had a chance 1247 00:57:21.034 --> 00:57:23.514 since our last meeting to review the 1248 00:57:25.434 --> 00:57:28.374 changes for the bylaws that we... 1249 00:57:30.054 --> 00:57:30.614 I know I haven't yet. 1250 00:57:31.134 --> 00:57:32.314 I haven't had a chance to- 1251 00:57:32.444 --> 00:57:32.994 I have not 1252 00:57:33.474 --> 00:57:34.614 ... to digest it all. 1253 00:57:37.074 --> 00:57:37.334 Okay. 1254 00:57:38.294 --> 00:57:42.194 Or move it to the next meeting, but hopefully everybody could take a look at those 1255 00:57:42.274 --> 00:57:43.114 between now and then- 1256 00:57:43.234 --> 00:57:43.244 Yes 1257 00:57:43.244 --> 00:57:45.654 ... so we can actually have a discussion- 1258 00:57:45.674 --> 00:57:45.683 I agree 1259 00:57:45.683 --> 00:57:49.194 ... and move forward on that. Because I know there are some concerns on some of the 1260 00:57:49.234 --> 00:57:51.954 wording and such, and I think we need to do that. 1261 00:57:53.354 --> 00:57:56.934 The other item was about a letter to council 1262 00:57:56.974 --> 00:57:57.414 regarding 1263 00:57:58.414 --> 00:57:58.824 the driveway issue. 1264 00:57:58.824 --> 00:57:59.614 It was a letter to the- 1265 00:57:59.874 --> 00:57:59.934 Or- 1266 00:57:59.974 --> 00:58:01.534 ... zoning board of appeals. 1267 00:58:02.894 --> 00:58:03.234 Okay. 1268 00:58:03.294 --> 00:58:04.234 Did everyone get it? 1269 00:58:04.294 --> 00:58:05.814 What is it? 1270 00:58:05.874 --> 00:58:07.934 The letter from the planning department. 1271 00:58:08.134 --> 00:58:09.214 Oh, the one that was discussed? 1272 00:58:09.474 --> 00:58:10.194 Yes. 1273 00:58:10.234 --> 00:58:12.104 Yeah, that was the one from back in April. 1274 00:58:12.334 --> 00:58:14.164 Okay, and because, well, last meeting, 1275 00:58:15.234 --> 00:58:17.134 members were claiming they'd never seen it and- 1276 00:58:17.494 --> 00:58:18.154 Yeah. 1277 00:58:18.194 --> 00:58:18.474 Okay. 1278 00:58:19.274 --> 00:58:21.744 I didn't realize that there's not a new letter. 1279 00:58:21.834 --> 00:58:22.054 Okay. 1280 00:58:22.254 --> 00:58:23.514 I thought it was a new letter. 1281 00:58:23.534 --> 00:58:24.474 Okay. Got it. 1282 00:58:25.014 --> 00:58:25.294 Okay. 1283 00:58:25.754 --> 00:58:25.974 So- 1284 00:58:28.054 --> 00:58:31.984 But I do have a copy of the letter. 1285 00:58:32.204 --> 00:58:32.204 Okay. 1286 00:58:32.204 --> 00:58:32.623 Here. 1287 00:58:32.694 --> 00:58:33.683 Can we actually... Oh. 1288 00:58:34.654 --> 00:58:37.054 I was going to say, can we get a copy of that for, is that what that is? 1289 00:58:37.274 --> 00:58:37.564 Yeah. 1290 00:58:37.654 --> 00:58:37.864 Okay. 1291 00:58:37.864 --> 00:58:41.664 It was written, back in April, but this is a new one. 1292 00:58:41.664 --> 00:58:42.614 One more. 1293 00:58:43.334 --> 00:58:43.683 I've got one. 1294 00:58:43.714 --> 00:58:44.914 Well, you go for yourself. 1295 00:58:45.974 --> 00:58:46.354 They just 1296 00:58:47.614 --> 00:58:49.154 put it out on May. 1297 00:58:50.714 --> 00:58:52.814 Is it like that one? 1298 00:58:54.594 --> 00:58:55.674 Something 1299 00:58:56.514 --> 00:58:57.634 like 1300 00:58:59.314 --> 00:58:59.514 that. 1301 00:58:59.614 --> 00:59:03.354 Oh, no, this is regarding that one 1302 00:59:04.654 --> 00:59:07.894 item. I was thinking, during at the last meeting, I thought we talked about 1303 00:59:09.274 --> 00:59:10.494 the driveways. 1304 00:59:10.974 --> 00:59:11.794 Yeah. Having- 1305 00:59:12.134 --> 00:59:12.654 Having a letter. 1306 00:59:12.714 --> 00:59:13.873 Oh, yes. That's been sent. 1307 00:59:14.194 --> 00:59:15.074 It's been sent. 1308 00:59:15.554 --> 00:59:15.634 Yes. 1309 00:59:15.674 --> 00:59:15.683 That's been sent. They just- 1310 00:59:15.714 --> 00:59:15.954 Okay 1311 00:59:16.194 --> 00:59:17.334 ... don't have it not yet. 1312 00:59:17.434 --> 00:59:17.694 Okay. 1313 00:59:19.114 --> 00:59:19.574 I'm sorry. 1314 00:59:19.934 --> 00:59:21.234 Okay. Yeah. 1315 00:59:21.274 --> 00:59:21.874 Lot of letters. 1316 00:59:22.454 --> 00:59:22.754 Okay. 1317 00:59:23.154 --> 00:59:24.044 I've got a new copy. I don't know. 1318 00:59:24.044 --> 00:59:25.034 Okay. Is that right? Okay. 1319 00:59:26.494 --> 00:59:27.354 Okay. So, 1320 00:59:29.054 --> 00:59:29.324 then 1321 00:59:30.894 --> 00:59:34.433 I have no other new business for today. Does anybody have any new business? 1322 00:59:34.494 --> 00:59:35.734 Otherwise, we'll go to adjournment. 1323 00:59:36.694 --> 00:59:37.453 Motion to adjourn. 1324 00:59:37.854 --> 00:59:39.294 We have a motion by Mr. Jersey. 1325 00:59:39.414 --> 00:59:39.604 Support. 1326 00:59:39.604 --> 00:59:41.614 Support by Mr. Safaya to adjourn. All in favor? 1327 00:59:42.034 --> 00:59:42.554 Aye. 1328 00:59:43.354 --> 00:59:44.074 Anybody opposed? 1329 00:59:45.194 --> 00:59:47.614 Meeting adjourned at 7:59.