WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.900 --> 00:00:05.160 Good evening, everyone. 2 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:06.370 Good evening. 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.340 Welcome to the City of Warren Planning Commission meeting, June 1st, 4 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.460 2026. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. 5 00:00:16.261 --> 00:00:19.700 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of 6 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:23.080 America, and to the Republic for which it stands, 7 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:27.480 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty 8 00:00:27.500 --> 00:00:29.200 and justice for all. 9 00:00:29.260 --> 00:00:29.980 She's 10 00:00:34.260 --> 00:00:40.000 here. 11 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:48.020 We're 12 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:54.350 ready 13 00:00:54.350 --> 00:00:54.980 to do roll call. 14 00:00:58.140 --> 00:00:58.560 Roll call. 15 00:00:59.860 --> 00:01:01.060 My mic's not working. 16 00:01:01.140 --> 00:01:02.000 Commissioner Ansir. 17 00:01:02.800 --> 00:01:03.220 Present. 18 00:01:03.780 --> 00:01:04.660 Commissioner Heidi. 19 00:01:08.980 --> 00:01:09.860 Commissioner Holowaty. 20 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:11.040 Present. 21 00:01:11.320 --> 00:01:11.940 Commissioner Hawk. 22 00:01:12.520 --> 00:01:12.940 Present. 23 00:01:13.240 --> 00:01:14.039 Commissioner Douzy. 24 00:01:17.520 --> 00:01:19.120 Commissioner Morris present. Commissioner Binecki. 25 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:19.720 Present. 26 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:21.640 Commissioner Smith. 27 00:01:22.020 --> 00:01:25.920 Present. We need a motion to excuse Commissioner Douzy and Commissioner Heidi. 28 00:01:25.950 --> 00:01:27.160 They're both sick this evening. 29 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:31.680 Chair, I make a motion to excuse Commissioner Douzy and 30 00:01:31.700 --> 00:01:33.440 Commissioner Heidi from the meeting. 31 00:01:33.740 --> 00:01:34.540 Support, Binecki. 32 00:01:35.880 --> 00:01:39.460 There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Binecki. 33 00:01:39.500 --> 00:01:40.340 All in favor? 34 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:40.780 Aye. 35 00:01:40.860 --> 00:01:41.880 Aye. Any opposed? 36 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:45.440 Item number four, approval of the agenda. 37 00:01:48.220 --> 00:01:50.240 Chair, I make a motion to approve the agenda. 38 00:01:51.180 --> 00:01:51.800 I support it. 39 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.480 There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Hawk. 40 00:01:55.780 --> 00:01:56.320 All in favor? 41 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:57.060 Aye. 42 00:01:57.340 --> 00:01:57.980 Any opposed? 43 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.340 Approval of the minutes of May 11th, 2026. 44 00:02:04.440 --> 00:02:05.580 Motion to approve the minutes. 45 00:02:08.000 --> 00:02:08.759 Chair, I second. 46 00:02:09.480 --> 00:02:12.640 There's a motion by Commissioner Binecki, supported by Commissioner Holowaty. 47 00:02:12.670 --> 00:02:13.240 All in favor? 48 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:13.860 Aye. 49 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:14.820 Any opposed? 50 00:02:15.780 --> 00:02:17.420 Item number six is public hearing items. 51 00:02:18.260 --> 00:02:20.900 On the public hearing items this evening, everyone will have to come up and state 52 00:02:20.920 --> 00:02:24.280 their name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to speak. 53 00:02:25.740 --> 00:02:27.640 Okay? Item number 6A. 54 00:02:29.040 --> 00:02:30.080 Item number 6A. 55 00:02:33.320 --> 00:02:35.560 Site plan for new automatic conveyor car 56 00:02:36.720 --> 00:02:40.400 wash, located on the west side of Shanor Road, approximately 57 00:02:40.600 --> 00:02:43.760 156.17 feet south of 12 Mile Road, 58 00:02:44.340 --> 00:02:47.400 28877 Shanor Road, Section 14. 59 00:02:47.900 --> 00:02:51.400 Joseph Paluzzi, JPTH Properties, Warren 60 00:02:51.540 --> 00:02:54.360 LLC, Sammy Patok, Clean Hub 61 00:02:54.460 --> 00:02:56.120 Car Wash, 62 00:02:56.660 --> 00:03:00.100 PSPSL260002, 63 00:03:00.540 --> 00:03:04.480 postponed from April 13, 2026. The petitioner has withdrawn 64 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:07.040 the site plan application. Thank you. 65 00:03:07.940 --> 00:03:10.000 Need a motion to withdraw the site plan application. 66 00:03:12.300 --> 00:03:14.040 Chair, I make a motion to 67 00:03:15.020 --> 00:03:16.840 withdraw the site plan application. 68 00:03:17.380 --> 00:03:18.100 I support it. 69 00:03:19.100 --> 00:03:21.720 There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Hawk. 70 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:22.920 Roll call. 71 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:24.680 Commissioner Holowaty. 72 00:03:25.380 --> 00:03:25.640 Yes. 73 00:03:26.040 --> 00:03:26.660 Commissioner Hawk. 74 00:03:27.160 --> 00:03:27.440 Yes. 75 00:03:27.700 --> 00:03:28.340 Commissioner Ansir. 76 00:03:28.880 --> 00:03:29.140 Yes. 77 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:31.700 Commissioner Morris votes yes. Commissioner Binecki. 78 00:03:31.900 --> 00:03:32.200 Yes. 79 00:03:32.480 --> 00:03:33.090 Commissioner Smith. 80 00:03:33.700 --> 00:03:36.660 Yes to withdraw the application. Item number 6B. 81 00:03:39.640 --> 00:03:43.350 Item number 6B, request for rezoning with condition, 82 00:03:43.420 --> 00:03:46.780 located on the south side of Frazer Road, approximately 83 00:03:47.260 --> 00:03:51.180 316.45 feet east of Shanor Road. From the 84 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:54.850 present zoning classification of R1C, one family residential 85 00:03:54.920 --> 00:03:58.100 district to M2, medium light industrial district. 86 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.540 13800 Frazer Road, Section 24. 87 00:04:02.140 --> 00:04:05.040 Adrian Lupuleca, Mark S. 88 00:04:05.580 --> 00:04:06.820 Demostrat 89 00:04:07.820 --> 00:04:10.940 Law Firm, PSSPLC, 90 00:04:11.440 --> 00:04:14.560 PR260002. Thank you. 91 00:04:15.560 --> 00:04:16.440 Good evening, sir. 92 00:04:17.780 --> 00:04:19.340 You want to tell us a little bit about your project? 93 00:04:19.500 --> 00:04:21.921 You state your name and address for the record and tell us a little bit about your 94 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:22.360 project. 95 00:04:22.760 --> 00:04:24.710 I'm Mark Demorest. I'm the attorney for the 96 00:04:24.880 --> 00:04:27.180 petitioner. 97 00:04:27.860 --> 00:04:30.600 Can't hear you. It's down. 98 00:04:30.700 --> 00:04:31.620 Okay. Can you hear me now? 99 00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:35.099 Are we good? 100 00:04:35.140 --> 00:04:35.260 Yeah. 101 00:04:36.260 --> 00:04:39.640 Yep. My name is Mark Demorest. I'm the attorney for the petitioner. 102 00:04:40.660 --> 00:04:44.220 My office is in Royal Oak, 415 Southwest Street. 103 00:04:44.840 --> 00:04:48.540 I have with me today Bob Lind, also from Urban Land Consultants, 104 00:04:49.180 --> 00:04:52.900 and Soren Talaba, who's the manager for the project. 105 00:04:53.740 --> 00:04:57.340 So what we are seeking here is there is a vacant 106 00:04:57.460 --> 00:05:01.380 parcel next to the business owned by Mr. 107 00:05:01.660 --> 00:05:04.700 Lupuleca. He owns a company called Logistic One, 108 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.680 and he has a vacant piece of land 109 00:05:09.380 --> 00:05:13.320 next to his property, which he wants to turn into a parking 110 00:05:13.380 --> 00:05:14.720 lot for empty trailers. 111 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:20.260 We're seeking to have it rezoned to M2. 112 00:05:21.510 --> 00:05:25.000 And I want to make it clear that this is not an 113 00:05:25.060 --> 00:05:28.980 unconditional rezoning. I've been working with the planning department and 114 00:05:29.100 --> 00:05:30.580 Mary Michaels, the city attorney, 115 00:05:31.400 --> 00:05:35.040 about a conditional zoning agreement that would put a lot of 116 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.440 restrictions on the use of the property. 117 00:05:37.520 --> 00:05:41.280 So one of the comments that was made by the 118 00:05:41.320 --> 00:05:42.290 planning department, 119 00:05:43.260 --> 00:05:47.140 is that they expressed concern that this could be used for any use 120 00:05:47.180 --> 00:05:48.500 permitted under M2. 121 00:05:49.400 --> 00:05:52.640 But that's not accurate under the conditional zoning agreement. 122 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.950 It can only be used for this purpose, 123 00:05:55.820 --> 00:05:58.520 for the empty trailer parking. And if the 124 00:05:59.320 --> 00:06:03.200 use ceases under our conditional zoning agreement, it would revert 125 00:06:03.280 --> 00:06:06.540 to the current zoning. In order 126 00:06:06.640 --> 00:06:07.880 to try 127 00:06:07.960 --> 00:06:11.930 toMinimize the impact on the neighbors 128 00:06:11.970 --> 00:06:13.150 and to 129 00:06:14.010 --> 00:06:16.430 make this project as compatible as possible. 130 00:06:16.470 --> 00:06:20.170 We've met several times with the planning department and have placed a number 131 00:06:20.230 --> 00:06:22.260 of restrictions on this, 132 00:06:23.510 --> 00:06:27.490 such as that when trucks come out, they will only turn right onto Frazeo Road, 133 00:06:27.550 --> 00:06:30.650 not left. There will be no structures on the property. 134 00:06:30.710 --> 00:06:34.530 There will be nothing stored in the trailers, no idling of trucks. 135 00:06:35.410 --> 00:06:36.770 The hours will be limited, 136 00:06:38.750 --> 00:06:41.450 8:00 to 6:00, Monday through Saturday, nothing on Sunday. 137 00:06:42.590 --> 00:06:46.380 And we specifically agreed that no adult entertainment business, 138 00:06:46.470 --> 00:06:50.119 no marijuana-related business, no outdoor related sale of 139 00:06:50.190 --> 00:06:52.650 items. It will be used exclusively for 140 00:06:53.610 --> 00:06:55.570 the parking of empty trailers. 141 00:06:57.210 --> 00:06:57.790 I'd like to 142 00:06:58.630 --> 00:07:01.430 briefly address the comments from the planning department. 143 00:07:03.930 --> 00:07:07.660 One is they indicate that the future land use in the master 144 00:07:07.770 --> 00:07:10.250 plan is for green space, 145 00:07:11.230 --> 00:07:15.070 and the planning staff indicated that it could work 146 00:07:15.110 --> 00:07:18.290 well for multifamily or mixed use. 147 00:07:18.790 --> 00:07:22.650 The reality, however, is that this property's been vacant for 20 148 00:07:22.710 --> 00:07:23.030 years. 149 00:07:23.870 --> 00:07:26.570 There used to be a school there that was demolished. 150 00:07:27.510 --> 00:07:30.190 Our client bought it a number of years ago. 151 00:07:30.750 --> 00:07:31.890 Our client, before 152 00:07:33.470 --> 00:07:36.930 deciding to try to use this for trailer parking, 153 00:07:37.310 --> 00:07:41.060 did meet with potential developers, and they 154 00:07:41.070 --> 00:07:45.050 reviewed it and said that with the size of the property, it just wasn't 155 00:07:45.130 --> 00:07:47.830 feasible to develop it for residential. 156 00:07:48.810 --> 00:07:51.930 So what we are looking at is trying to keep a 157 00:07:51.950 --> 00:07:55.090 business in Warren that's already in Warren. 158 00:07:55.750 --> 00:07:56.210 They have 159 00:07:58.510 --> 00:08:01.650 the adjacent lots on which they already operate and have operated 160 00:08:01.730 --> 00:08:03.130 for many years, 161 00:08:04.130 --> 00:08:05.610 about 20 years. 162 00:08:06.770 --> 00:08:10.590 And they want to expand because they don't have enough 163 00:08:10.650 --> 00:08:13.480 room to operate on the land that they now own. 164 00:08:14.190 --> 00:08:18.079 So one of the comments that was made in here is, well, maybe the city would 165 00:08:18.109 --> 00:08:21.810 get more tax revenue from residential. 166 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:26.770 But let's look at it this way. Right now, there's 167 00:08:27.870 --> 00:08:30.750 minimal tax revenue because it's vacant. 168 00:08:31.010 --> 00:08:34.831 The other concern is if our client is not able to 169 00:08:36.310 --> 00:08:37.990 get this trailer parking approved, 170 00:08:40.630 --> 00:08:44.060 it may be necessary for them to move out of the city to another 171 00:08:44.060 --> 00:08:47.630 location because they just don't have enough room to 172 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:51.190 operate their business. They're not a trucking business per se. 173 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:54.930 They're a logistics business. So what they do, for example, let's say that 174 00:08:55.610 --> 00:08:57.610 General Motors was building a new plant. 175 00:08:58.310 --> 00:08:59.710 They would take their trailers there. 176 00:08:59.770 --> 00:09:02.950 Things would be stored in their trailers for a period of time. 177 00:09:03.410 --> 00:09:05.830 Then they would bring the empty trailers back to their lot. 178 00:09:06.370 --> 00:09:10.310 So this piece of property that we're talking about here 179 00:09:10.350 --> 00:09:13.370 today would not have constant traffic in and out. 180 00:09:13.430 --> 00:09:16.430 An empty trailer would be brought there, 181 00:09:17.250 --> 00:09:21.080 parked, and it would stay there until it's needed again, which might be a month. 182 00:09:21.550 --> 00:09:25.090 It might be three months. So we're not talking about 183 00:09:25.430 --> 00:09:27.030 daily in and out traffic. 184 00:09:27.870 --> 00:09:29.610 We also, in the site plan, 185 00:09:31.190 --> 00:09:32.510 provided for a berm 186 00:09:33.330 --> 00:09:37.210 along Frazeo Road and plantings to minimize 187 00:09:37.390 --> 00:09:38.290 view and noise 188 00:09:39.170 --> 00:09:42.930 for any neighbors. It's an area that has houses 189 00:09:42.990 --> 00:09:46.810 across the street, but a lot of the area 190 00:09:46.870 --> 00:09:48.210 in Frazeo 191 00:09:49.190 --> 00:09:53.010 near this property is already commercial or industrial. I'd like Mr. 192 00:09:53.250 --> 00:09:55.910 Lynn to address that. He's from Urban Land Consultants. 193 00:10:02.290 --> 00:10:06.060 I guess. My name is Bob Lynn. I'm with Urban Land- Sir ... 194 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:08.190 Consultants, and- Sir. 195 00:10:09.090 --> 00:10:09.770 Yes. Up here. 196 00:10:11.390 --> 00:10:15.090 He did his little presentation. Let us get his correspondence, 197 00:10:15.340 --> 00:10:18.650 then you can come back with your plan. Okay. So just hold on for a second, okay? 198 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.430 Okay. All right. Very good. All right. Thank you. Yeah. Correspondence. 199 00:10:23.030 --> 00:10:26.879 Six. Okay. Correspondence. Taxes current. Building. 200 00:10:27.010 --> 00:10:28.819 Building has no issues. Engineering. 201 00:10:29.230 --> 00:10:32.680 Preliminary review of this site indicates that Planning Commission approval should 202 00:10:32.690 --> 00:10:35.530 be contingent upon the petitioner's compliance 203 00:10:36.690 --> 00:10:40.630 with the following conditions. Number one, Macomb County Public Works office 204 00:10:40.890 --> 00:10:44.510 permit is required for the proposed connection to county storm sewer system. 205 00:10:44.850 --> 00:10:48.770 Number two, the proposed project must meet the current city storm 206 00:10:48.810 --> 00:10:51.790 water management requirements. Comcast. 207 00:10:52.130 --> 00:10:56.010 We have aerial facilities in the area, but we have no conflicts with the 208 00:10:56.030 --> 00:10:56.490 proposal. 209 00:10:57.690 --> 00:11:01.490 DTE. DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for 210 00:11:01.530 --> 00:11:05.070 conditional rezoning from R1C1 family residential to 211 00:11:05.170 --> 00:11:07.480 M2, medium light industrial district. 212 00:11:07.810 --> 00:11:11.790 DTE has no objection to this request impacting 13800 213 00:11:11.890 --> 00:11:15.290 Frazeo Road, section 24, per the site plan provided. 214 00:11:15.610 --> 00:11:19.210 If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at 215 00:11:19.450 --> 00:11:22.470 586-783-1978. 216 00:11:24.210 --> 00:11:27.360 MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works office, 217 00:11:27.570 --> 00:11:30.070 MCPWO, has reviewed the site plan 218 00:11:31.290 --> 00:11:35.170 for the project referenced above and has determined this site is 219 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:38.949 under the jurisdiction of MCPWO. This project is 220 00:11:39.010 --> 00:11:42.350 impacting and/or discharging to a county asset, including 221 00:11:42.770 --> 00:11:46.690 one or more of the following: a county drain, county right of way, 222 00:11:46.850 --> 00:11:48.550 county road right of way, or other. 223 00:11:48.790 --> 00:11:52.490 See table 1.1 in the MCPWO's Procedure and 224 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:55.800 Design Standards Manual for Stormwater Management, 225 00:11:56.170 --> 00:12:00.110 revised on March 1st, 2024, for 226 00:12:00.150 --> 00:12:04.030 further explanation. Any site disturbance over one acre will 227 00:12:04.070 --> 00:12:07.810 require the proposed site to conform with the 228 00:12:07.910 --> 00:12:11.300 MCPWO's Procedure and Design Standards Manual for 229 00:12:11.450 --> 00:12:15.394 Stormwater Management.Review section five for stormwater 230 00:12:15.434 --> 00:12:17.634 detention and drain easement requirements. 231 00:12:18.034 --> 00:12:21.754 Prior to the site plan approval, it is highly recommended that the design 232 00:12:21.794 --> 00:12:25.494 consultant and landowner schedule an engineering meeting with this 233 00:12:26.394 --> 00:12:30.234 office to discuss how our standards may apply by contacting 234 00:12:30.294 --> 00:12:31.154 Heather Mooring at 235 00:12:31.214 --> 00:12:34.594 heather.mooring@macombgov.org 236 00:12:35.174 --> 00:12:35.554 or 237 00:12:35.814 --> 00:12:40.194 586-307-8280. 238 00:12:41.914 --> 00:12:45.574 With that, I do have a couple of correspondence that I would go ahead and read that 239 00:12:45.634 --> 00:12:47.394 were sent in an email. 240 00:12:47.874 --> 00:12:48.094 Go ahead. 241 00:12:49.434 --> 00:12:52.554 Ashraful Islam sent this on May 29, 242 00:12:52.714 --> 00:12:55.274 2026. "Hello, City of Warren, Michigan. 243 00:12:55.454 --> 00:12:59.334 My name is Ashraful Islam. I'm currently a resident in 244 00:12:59.534 --> 00:13:03.314 13845 Fraso Road. I am protesting M-2 245 00:13:03.554 --> 00:13:07.514 medium-light industrial district because we are living 246 00:13:08.014 --> 00:13:11.774 the neighborhood. If the big lot in front of my house is 247 00:13:11.894 --> 00:13:15.534 occupied truck parking lot, it is not safe for our 248 00:13:15.574 --> 00:13:19.434 family and neighbor. It will affect 249 00:13:19.554 --> 00:13:20.514 our environment." 250 00:13:23.834 --> 00:13:27.634 We have another letter that was sent also on May 29. 251 00:13:29.174 --> 00:13:31.034 "Hello. I live on Fraso Road." 252 00:13:31.854 --> 00:13:34.114 This was sent from Pat 253 00:13:35.414 --> 00:13:36.354 Astron. 254 00:13:37.194 --> 00:13:40.434 There is no name to it. "Hello. I live on Fraso Road. 255 00:13:40.534 --> 00:13:43.754 Logistics One is proposing an expansion of their parking lot. 256 00:13:44.174 --> 00:13:47.814 I live right across the street, and the business didn't give any notice to 257 00:13:48.134 --> 00:13:50.714 almost any of us. We don't want this. 258 00:13:51.054 --> 00:13:54.694 Living on this street is annoying because of them, the traffic and trucks 259 00:13:54.714 --> 00:13:55.634 sleeping on 260 00:13:56.774 --> 00:13:59.634 Fraso to running all night. We don't want this." 261 00:14:02.954 --> 00:14:06.394 We have another one that was also sent on May 29 from 262 00:14:07.154 --> 00:14:07.814 Tyrus. 263 00:14:08.734 --> 00:14:12.274 "Hello, my name is Christine, and I live directly across from 264 00:14:12.334 --> 00:14:16.234 Logistics One on Fraso Road. I only just heard by a neighbor about 265 00:14:16.254 --> 00:14:20.174 the proposed expansion of the parking that is being voted on. 266 00:14:20.634 --> 00:14:24.393 I was never given a letter about this like I was supposed to, first of all. 267 00:14:24.834 --> 00:14:27.694 I'm also disabled, so I cannot come vote Monday. 268 00:14:28.594 --> 00:14:32.174 I didn't have enough time to schedule a ride service either. 269 00:14:32.274 --> 00:14:35.934 I don't want this to happen. That place is already a nuisance 270 00:14:36.194 --> 00:14:40.094 with their bright lights that light my house up 271 00:14:40.154 --> 00:14:43.504 all night and the trucks that already run all night long there, 272 00:14:44.234 --> 00:14:47.874 not to mention the truck traffic that already exists on this road 273 00:14:48.274 --> 00:14:51.694 that is so loud. Our street is already congested with their 274 00:14:51.774 --> 00:14:55.474 trucks parking to rest or waiting to turn 275 00:14:55.574 --> 00:14:59.394 into Lipari and Logistics One. If you approve this, it will 276 00:14:59.454 --> 00:15:03.074 make it impossible to stay here. We had 277 00:15:03.934 --> 00:15:07.734 damage to our 278 00:15:07.774 --> 00:15:10.514 lawn and drive from these trucks." 279 00:15:12.374 --> 00:15:12.594 Okay. 280 00:15:16.294 --> 00:15:19.534 We have another one that was also sent. 281 00:15:20.654 --> 00:15:23.054 This is the last one. "Hello. I live on Fraso Road. 282 00:15:23.334 --> 00:15:27.314 Logistics One is proposing an expansion of their parking lot, which is being voted 283 00:15:27.354 --> 00:15:31.204 on Monday. I live right across the street, and their businesses didn't 284 00:15:31.214 --> 00:15:34.314 give notice to almost any of us about this. 285 00:15:34.924 --> 00:15:38.894 We do not want this. Living on this street is already cumbersome 286 00:15:38.934 --> 00:15:42.594 because of them. The truck traffic and trucks parking on Fraso to sleep 287 00:15:42.634 --> 00:15:46.414 running all night. The bright lights that light up all these houses 288 00:15:46.474 --> 00:15:50.294 like daytime. These trucks are several a minute and 289 00:15:50.374 --> 00:15:54.154 loud. We don't want more. Please don't let this go through." This 290 00:15:54.194 --> 00:15:57.934 was sent from tyrus314@gmail.com. 291 00:15:58.674 --> 00:15:59.624 That's it, Mr. Chair. 292 00:15:59.694 --> 00:16:00.713 Thanks, Madam Secretary. 293 00:16:00.754 --> 00:16:00.963 Thank you. 294 00:16:01.034 --> 00:16:02.294 Planning Director's recommendation. 295 00:16:13.683 --> 00:16:14.234 Excuse me. 296 00:16:16.314 --> 00:16:18.114 Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation 297 00:16:20.574 --> 00:16:23.294 is... Well, let me get this straight. Is as follows. 298 00:16:25.424 --> 00:16:29.254 The following recommendation is 299 00:16:29.314 --> 00:16:32.943 made to city council regarding the rezoning with 300 00:16:33.034 --> 00:16:36.534 conditions request for the property in question as 301 00:16:36.574 --> 00:16:37.154 described. 302 00:16:38.994 --> 00:16:42.714 It is recommended that the rezoning with conditions request 303 00:16:42.774 --> 00:16:46.754 from R1C1 family residential district 304 00:16:46.814 --> 00:16:50.594 to M2 medium-light industrial district be 305 00:16:50.694 --> 00:16:51.224 denied. 306 00:16:52.694 --> 00:16:56.544 Planning staff recommends the rezoning be denied for the following 307 00:16:56.594 --> 00:16:57.054 reasons. 308 00:16:58.094 --> 00:16:58.724 Number one, 309 00:16:59.534 --> 00:17:03.244 if the 5.56 acre parcel is rezoned 310 00:17:03.934 --> 00:17:07.674 from R1C to M2, this would amount to a 311 00:17:07.754 --> 00:17:11.535 significant encroachment of a new industrial 312 00:17:11.654 --> 00:17:15.075 property into an area that primarily 313 00:17:15.114 --> 00:17:18.114 consists of one-family residential dwellings. 314 00:17:19.254 --> 00:17:23.055 The existing uses along Shanor Road near Fraso 315 00:17:24.014 --> 00:17:27.234 are generally considered local business, not 316 00:17:27.335 --> 00:17:28.035 industrial. 317 00:17:29.134 --> 00:17:33.094 East of the parcel in question, the north and south 318 00:17:33.974 --> 00:17:37.554 and north and south along Groesbeck Highway 319 00:17:38.134 --> 00:17:41.744 exists a significant number of industrial zoned 320 00:17:42.214 --> 00:17:42.874 properties. 321 00:17:44.314 --> 00:17:48.074 Number two, the Future Land Use Map, otherwise known as 322 00:17:48.094 --> 00:17:48.454 FLUM, 323 00:17:49.574 --> 00:17:53.204 in the 2021 master plan indicates this 324 00:17:53.294 --> 00:17:56.834 area a green space. It is the planning 325 00:17:56.914 --> 00:18:00.494 staff's opinion that this property would serve well 326 00:18:00.574 --> 00:18:03.624 for what they call missing middle housing, 327 00:18:04.434 --> 00:18:08.254 such as multiple housing or possibly mixed 328 00:18:08.394 --> 00:18:12.374 use with local commercial or residential uses 329 00:18:12.414 --> 00:18:14.194 combined with green space 330 00:18:15.034 --> 00:18:17.054 or for additional single-family 331 00:18:17.134 --> 00:18:20.746 dwellings.Number three, the planning staff 332 00:18:22.086 --> 00:18:25.806 inquired with the assessing department regarding the value of the 333 00:18:25.826 --> 00:18:29.306 property if rezoned and developed for 334 00:18:29.906 --> 00:18:31.246 truck and trailer parking 335 00:18:32.146 --> 00:18:33.486 per the concept plan. 336 00:18:35.686 --> 00:18:38.846 The value of the property would be significantly 337 00:18:39.026 --> 00:18:42.686 lower if the property was developed as currently 338 00:18:42.966 --> 00:18:46.346 zoned for single-family dwellings or 339 00:18:46.386 --> 00:18:48.176 multiple family dwellings. 340 00:18:49.506 --> 00:18:50.286 The site was 341 00:18:51.126 --> 00:18:53.726 Redwood Elementary School, constructed in 342 00:18:53.766 --> 00:18:55.146 1968. 343 00:18:56.866 --> 00:18:57.406 Number four, 344 00:18:58.286 --> 00:19:02.006 the petitioner has provided a concept plan of 345 00:19:02.046 --> 00:19:03.026 trailer parking. 346 00:19:03.866 --> 00:19:07.646 However, if the rezoning is approved, any use 347 00:19:07.746 --> 00:19:11.566 that qualifies under the M-2 medium light industrial 348 00:19:11.646 --> 00:19:14.986 district zoning designation would be 349 00:19:15.206 --> 00:19:15.806 permitted. 350 00:19:17.086 --> 00:19:17.486 And 351 00:19:20.366 --> 00:19:21.926 reason number five, 352 00:19:22.966 --> 00:19:26.576 the petitioner has made changes to the 353 00:19:26.646 --> 00:19:30.526 concept plan to specifically accommodate the 354 00:19:30.586 --> 00:19:31.966 truck trailer parking. 355 00:19:32.866 --> 00:19:36.666 The planning staff believes that a multiple dwelling use 356 00:19:37.226 --> 00:19:39.606 of the property should be considered. 357 00:19:41.146 --> 00:19:45.106 And so prior to the rezoning request being forwarded to city council, 358 00:19:45.226 --> 00:19:48.686 10 copies of additional concept plans and survey 359 00:19:49.226 --> 00:19:52.426 shall be submitted to the planning department. 360 00:19:52.526 --> 00:19:56.406 So with that, Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you. 361 00:19:56.586 --> 00:19:57.326 Thank you, Mr. Worth. 362 00:19:58.266 --> 00:19:59.386 I'm going to give the petitioner 363 00:20:00.486 --> 00:20:03.946 a couple more minutes to come up to explain his drawing, and then we're going to go 364 00:20:03.966 --> 00:20:04.846 into the public hearing. 365 00:20:06.826 --> 00:20:08.466 I can hold this for you. 366 00:20:12.886 --> 00:20:16.706 Okay. My name is Bob Linn with Urban Land Consultants, and I've looked at 367 00:20:16.766 --> 00:20:19.806 this project now for maybe four or five years. 368 00:20:20.426 --> 00:20:22.546 We've had several drawings over the years. 369 00:20:24.066 --> 00:20:27.646 One of the drawings had a driveway out here with some 370 00:20:27.746 --> 00:20:30.846 additional buildings. That got changed 371 00:20:32.426 --> 00:20:35.515 to more like this. We had a driveway here, and then it got moved here, 372 00:20:35.606 --> 00:20:39.126 but I'm wondering if the city would entertain a 373 00:20:39.166 --> 00:20:42.426 consent judgment where we can get this plan 374 00:20:42.526 --> 00:20:43.266 approved 375 00:20:44.346 --> 00:20:47.206 without any more 376 00:20:47.226 --> 00:20:48.626 consideration of 377 00:20:49.646 --> 00:20:51.406 some of the other problems the area has. 378 00:20:51.446 --> 00:20:54.006 This street right here was platted in 379 00:20:54.566 --> 00:20:57.686 1924. Many of the houses are quite old, 380 00:20:58.606 --> 00:21:02.486 not very well kept up. There's a few houses over here, a little bit 381 00:21:02.506 --> 00:21:03.066 newer, but 382 00:21:04.066 --> 00:21:05.646 I would think if we could 383 00:21:06.646 --> 00:21:10.446 come up with... Maybe take some of this berm, put it here and 384 00:21:10.506 --> 00:21:10.746 here. 385 00:21:11.986 --> 00:21:15.706 Come up with a plan that would give our client the 386 00:21:15.746 --> 00:21:19.526 ability to use the property and also be a good neighbor to 387 00:21:19.566 --> 00:21:20.946 the people that live around here. 388 00:21:22.386 --> 00:21:24.486 A berm here is going to screen the headlights. 389 00:21:25.026 --> 00:21:27.346 We can put this driveway over here if we have to. 390 00:21:27.786 --> 00:21:29.226 We don't have to have another curb cut. 391 00:21:29.766 --> 00:21:32.916 So that would be my position, is to come up with a 392 00:21:33.466 --> 00:21:37.066 plan that would give the city the ability 393 00:21:37.106 --> 00:21:40.786 to let us move on to the next step and let the 394 00:21:40.826 --> 00:21:42.526 client use the property as 395 00:21:44.346 --> 00:21:44.686 shown. 396 00:21:45.846 --> 00:21:46.326 Thank you, sir. 397 00:21:46.446 --> 00:21:50.346 We've made a number of adjustments to the site plan 398 00:21:50.366 --> 00:21:53.486 and as a result of meetings with the planning department and Ms. 399 00:21:53.546 --> 00:21:55.966 Michaels to try to minimize the impact on the neighbors. 400 00:21:57.126 --> 00:21:59.446 I would just point out the letters that were read. 401 00:21:59.486 --> 00:22:03.426 I think some of the truck traffic that may be referred to is not our 402 00:22:03.466 --> 00:22:06.295 clients. For example, one of the emails mentioned 403 00:22:06.366 --> 00:22:09.746 Lipari, which is not our client. It's a separate 404 00:22:09.756 --> 00:22:10.546 establishment. 405 00:22:12.046 --> 00:22:13.566 Our client 406 00:22:15.446 --> 00:22:18.266 has more limited traffic than those other businesses. 407 00:22:18.286 --> 00:22:22.006 But the important point, though, for this particular parcel 408 00:22:22.606 --> 00:22:26.356 is that the hours of operation would be limited from 8:00 a.m. 409 00:22:26.466 --> 00:22:28.726 to 6:00 p.m., Monday through Saturday. 410 00:22:30.066 --> 00:22:34.006 And the only thing that would be happening is a truck would bring an 411 00:22:34.046 --> 00:22:37.666 empty trailer in, drop it off, and then the truck would just 412 00:22:37.746 --> 00:22:38.406 leave. So, 413 00:22:39.366 --> 00:22:42.646 some of the comments, I think, relate to other businesses and 414 00:22:42.706 --> 00:22:44.026 also don't 415 00:22:46.166 --> 00:22:49.886 accurately describe what the impact of this 416 00:22:49.906 --> 00:22:51.646 project would be on the neighborhood. 417 00:22:52.666 --> 00:22:55.766 We'd be happy to answer any questions that you have. 418 00:22:55.846 --> 00:22:59.826 Again, it's a conditional rezoning, so the only use 419 00:23:00.366 --> 00:23:04.206 that would be permitted if you approve the conditional rezoning 420 00:23:04.266 --> 00:23:07.566 is this use, not anything else that's permitted under M-2. 421 00:23:08.226 --> 00:23:08.646 Thank you, sir. 422 00:23:09.006 --> 00:23:09.626 All right. Thank you. 423 00:23:10.386 --> 00:23:13.386 This is a public hearing. Anybody who'd like to speak on this item, please come up, 424 00:23:13.526 --> 00:23:16.646 state your name and address for the record, and you'll have three minutes to speak. 425 00:23:20.686 --> 00:23:24.526 My name's Jerry Schneider, live at 13781 Frazel. 426 00:23:25.246 --> 00:23:29.026 If you look at the length of this room here, that's how far my house 427 00:23:29.086 --> 00:23:32.326 is from where they want to put this parking lot. Okay? 428 00:23:33.966 --> 00:23:37.486 He talks about putting up a berm. The berm they have at the other location 429 00:23:37.866 --> 00:23:38.566 is this high. 430 00:23:39.486 --> 00:23:39.866 Okay? 431 00:23:40.946 --> 00:23:44.886 They have other trucks, that they just don't want you to 432 00:23:44.946 --> 00:23:48.286 know, that are parked over on Hoover and Topher. 433 00:23:49.066 --> 00:23:51.966 Okay? Probably another hundred trucks. 434 00:23:52.886 --> 00:23:55.296 So you're talking about in the area they have right 435 00:23:55.366 --> 00:23:59.286 now, if you were to take that area and 436 00:23:59.306 --> 00:24:00.466 divide the 437 00:24:01.286 --> 00:24:03.446 new one equally, 438 00:24:04.466 --> 00:24:07.296 you could increase his truck traffic by 500%. 439 00:24:07.406 --> 00:24:11.326 He already has 100 and 440 00:24:11.386 --> 00:24:15.106 something trucks and trailers in the little parcel that he has. 441 00:24:16.426 --> 00:24:18.086 I don't want to sit there and look at this thing. 442 00:24:18.366 --> 00:24:20.266 He talks about the 443 00:24:21.386 --> 00:24:25.036 truck traffic. You're not going to fly these trucks in and out of there, 444 00:24:25.786 --> 00:24:29.686 so there's still going to be more truck trafficI don't care what time of day 445 00:24:29.746 --> 00:24:31.926 it is, it's still more truck traffic. 446 00:24:33.086 --> 00:24:36.826 When they come down the street and they hit the holes or 447 00:24:36.866 --> 00:24:38.186 whatever in that street, 448 00:24:39.006 --> 00:24:40.546 my house rattles. 449 00:24:41.526 --> 00:24:43.166 Literally rattles. 450 00:24:45.426 --> 00:24:49.286 I've been fighting this now for the last five years, coming to these 451 00:24:49.346 --> 00:24:53.226 meetings. They keep trying to find some other way to 452 00:24:53.266 --> 00:24:56.686 do it. First thing they wanted was an EV charging station. 453 00:24:57.546 --> 00:24:59.046 They proposed for it. 454 00:25:00.306 --> 00:25:04.286 When that didn't work, they started sending out things that said they would 455 00:25:04.326 --> 00:25:08.026 pay us $2,500 if we didn't vote against them, 456 00:25:10.906 --> 00:25:14.756 just to not give them any trouble. I don't know how many 457 00:25:14.826 --> 00:25:17.726 people might have even taken that or how many they offered it. 458 00:25:18.886 --> 00:25:21.326 There's not only the houses on Frayzo, 459 00:25:22.306 --> 00:25:24.006 there's the houses behind the lot. 460 00:25:24.926 --> 00:25:28.186 I don't know, that's got to be another at least 15 residents. 461 00:25:28.846 --> 00:25:30.806 I don't know if they even have been sent letters. 462 00:25:32.586 --> 00:25:32.846 So 463 00:25:33.686 --> 00:25:37.046 again, I sit here, say I adamantly oppose 464 00:25:37.706 --> 00:25:41.446 them redistricting or this rezoning 465 00:25:41.506 --> 00:25:42.846 this property. Thank you. 466 00:25:43.206 --> 00:25:43.826 Thank you, sir. 467 00:25:52.126 --> 00:25:55.206 Hi. Sarah Blackwell, 13755 Herald. 468 00:25:56.026 --> 00:25:59.826 I'm one of the ones that the yard backs right up to, so my 469 00:25:59.866 --> 00:26:03.676 backyard is at the field. So I originally didn't 470 00:26:03.706 --> 00:26:07.586 oppose this so much, but I'm kind of offended how our 471 00:26:07.666 --> 00:26:11.206 street of homes was described because my street is beautiful. 472 00:26:11.546 --> 00:26:14.666 Our homes are beautiful. It doesn't matter what year they were built 473 00:26:15.426 --> 00:26:19.146 or what condition they're in. But I originally just had 474 00:26:19.186 --> 00:26:21.566 questions. Is there going to be a wall? 475 00:26:21.646 --> 00:26:24.966 Right now there's a ditch through that field. 476 00:26:25.006 --> 00:26:27.606 When they tore the school down, our yards flooded. 477 00:26:28.306 --> 00:26:31.066 So how is that going to be if they cement? 478 00:26:31.866 --> 00:26:35.606 How is that going to affect us? I don't want semis back there 479 00:26:35.626 --> 00:26:39.526 either, but I would rather semis than apartments because this 480 00:26:39.586 --> 00:26:42.046 is literally my backyard. I don't want 481 00:26:43.546 --> 00:26:47.406 100 people back there and music bumping and people... 482 00:26:47.566 --> 00:26:51.166 I just don't want all that behind. I would rather have semis than... 483 00:26:51.426 --> 00:26:55.055 And I'm sorry to the Frayzo neighbors because I know they don't want it, but I 484 00:26:55.126 --> 00:26:56.566 don't want apartments. 485 00:26:57.466 --> 00:27:01.346 So if this is my option over apartments, I would take that. 486 00:27:01.466 --> 00:27:03.766 But I really wanted to know, are we going to get a wall? 487 00:27:05.046 --> 00:27:07.786 And how are we going to keep our yards from flooding? 488 00:27:08.606 --> 00:27:11.626 The rats are already insane. I 489 00:27:16.726 --> 00:27:20.526 suppose I do oppose it. I wasn't opposing it, but I 490 00:27:21.686 --> 00:27:23.506 would like to just keep the empty field. 491 00:27:23.566 --> 00:27:24.226 Not my yard, 492 00:27:25.086 --> 00:27:28.126 not my place to call, but I don't really want it either. 493 00:27:29.566 --> 00:27:33.146 But if they're going to build it, I would like to know that we're going to have 494 00:27:33.226 --> 00:27:36.346 some conditions of our yards not flooding 495 00:27:36.446 --> 00:27:40.426 and some sort of wall or barrier between us and 496 00:27:40.466 --> 00:27:42.026 the field. Thank you. 497 00:27:42.586 --> 00:27:43.086 Thank you, ma'am. 498 00:27:47.146 --> 00:27:49.416 My name's Matthew Wolf from 13809 Frayzo. 499 00:27:49.835 --> 00:27:52.386 This is directly across the street from my house. 500 00:27:52.526 --> 00:27:55.526 I look out my front window and I see this field. That's all I see. 501 00:27:56.186 --> 00:27:58.076 Right now I see gas lines being dug up, but 502 00:27:58.706 --> 00:28:02.506 the semis bounce down the 503 00:28:02.526 --> 00:28:06.346 road all day. So to say that there's not going to be any added traffic would just 504 00:28:06.366 --> 00:28:09.566 be ridiculous because they're going to add semis. 505 00:28:09.586 --> 00:28:12.436 And I see what you're saying, they're just going to pull empty trailers in and just 506 00:28:12.466 --> 00:28:15.426 leave empty trailers. Well, at some point they got to pull them out, too. 507 00:28:15.466 --> 00:28:18.895 So these trucks are going to destroy the road even more than they have. 508 00:28:19.506 --> 00:28:22.386 It's going to decrease my property value. 509 00:28:22.646 --> 00:28:25.626 I know you don't care about it, but that $2,500 check you sent me that I didn't 510 00:28:25.666 --> 00:28:28.986 cash isn't going to cover anything near the loss that I'm going to 511 00:28:29.026 --> 00:28:32.986 take if I'm staring at semi-trailers. I'm just not willing to do it. 512 00:28:33.866 --> 00:28:35.506 My name's Matthew Wolf. Thank you very much. 513 00:28:35.516 --> 00:28:35.966 Thank you, sir. 514 00:28:53.646 --> 00:28:55.966 I'm getting the hang of this new timer. Sorry. 515 00:28:56.006 --> 00:28:57.286 Anyone else like to speak on this item? 516 00:28:59.766 --> 00:29:01.206 Seeing none, we'll turn it over to commission. 517 00:29:06.466 --> 00:29:07.746 A motion to deny, Mori. 518 00:29:08.946 --> 00:29:10.386 Support commission answer. 519 00:29:11.886 --> 00:29:12.456 Any discussion? 520 00:29:21.046 --> 00:29:21.966 If I may, Mr. Chair. 521 00:29:22.406 --> 00:29:22.706 Go ahead. 522 00:29:22.906 --> 00:29:26.426 If there's a vote to deny, please state reasons and facts to support 523 00:29:27.806 --> 00:29:28.666 your vote. Thank you. 524 00:29:29.246 --> 00:29:29.446 Thank you. 525 00:29:30.166 --> 00:29:32.926 A motion to deny with planning commissioners 526 00:29:34.566 --> 00:29:36.666 from the recommendation that we have received, 527 00:29:37.626 --> 00:29:41.286 keeping the consideration of the property values and the neighbors 528 00:29:41.646 --> 00:29:42.046 in mind. 529 00:29:44.766 --> 00:29:46.686 The reason I supported it, 530 00:29:47.486 --> 00:29:51.456 it is residential R1C close by to R1C, and 531 00:29:51.526 --> 00:29:53.806 we are trying to do M2. 532 00:29:54.686 --> 00:29:58.246 So I don't think it's safe for the neighborhood and for the 533 00:29:58.266 --> 00:30:01.966 neighbor's safety and keeping the 534 00:30:03.186 --> 00:30:06.706 residential value high. As one of the residents mentioned that 535 00:30:06.766 --> 00:30:08.846 it will decrease their house value. 536 00:30:09.286 --> 00:30:12.426 I think that's a good point, 537 00:30:13.006 --> 00:30:13.356 and 538 00:30:14.406 --> 00:30:14.966 R1C, 539 00:30:16.126 --> 00:30:19.786 I don't support that should be M2, any industrial. 540 00:30:20.166 --> 00:30:22.786 That is the reason I supported this 541 00:30:23.886 --> 00:30:24.366 denial. 542 00:30:25.906 --> 00:30:27.806 Thank you. Anyone else want to speak on this? 543 00:30:30.586 --> 00:30:31.806 To the petitioner, can you come up a minute, 544 00:30:31.866 --> 00:30:39.176 please?Yep. 545 00:30:40.176 --> 00:30:44.096 Good evening, sir. Yes, sir. I understand the predicament that the 546 00:30:44.136 --> 00:30:46.226 company's in as far as they need more trailer parking, 547 00:30:47.256 --> 00:30:51.136 and I understand that that parcel would be 548 00:30:51.176 --> 00:30:52.286 beneficial for them, 549 00:30:53.176 --> 00:30:55.356 but then I also understand the residents. 550 00:30:56.616 --> 00:30:58.656 And one of the things I oppose about it 551 00:30:59.936 --> 00:31:02.256 is that I looked at Nine Mile and Hoover. 552 00:31:03.556 --> 00:31:07.216 A company came in there, and they told the residents, "Well, we're just going to do 553 00:31:07.256 --> 00:31:09.216 this, and we're going to put this building. 554 00:31:09.256 --> 00:31:12.716 We're going to have these trucks in there, and you won't have to see anything." So 555 00:31:13.156 --> 00:31:16.016 all these people sold their houses to them, except for a few that stayed, 556 00:31:17.376 --> 00:31:19.986 and then all of a sudden they wanted more parking. 557 00:31:20.346 --> 00:31:22.686 And we turned down additional parking because they wanted to take up more... 558 00:31:23.036 --> 00:31:26.946 They already said they only got 250 spaces, and then they already had 300 and 559 00:31:26.976 --> 00:31:28.356 something, and they still wanted more parking. 560 00:31:29.376 --> 00:31:29.746 But then, 561 00:31:30.856 --> 00:31:33.656 at the bottom line, I don't know what happened, but it fell out. 562 00:31:34.296 --> 00:31:38.166 Now, there's nobody over there. You had all the spaces for all these 563 00:31:38.236 --> 00:31:39.656 trucks, and 564 00:31:41.376 --> 00:31:42.896 the company's not even operating anymore. 565 00:31:44.076 --> 00:31:46.696 So I'm concerned about something like that happening here, 566 00:31:47.516 --> 00:31:50.876 because I can understand the residents not being... 567 00:31:50.936 --> 00:31:52.366 I don't care if you put a berm up there, 568 00:31:53.216 --> 00:31:57.156 and it would maybe shield some of the lights, but just to be able to look 569 00:31:57.196 --> 00:32:01.096 out your window and see 166 trailers, to me, 570 00:32:01.256 --> 00:32:04.656 I'm not really for that. 571 00:32:06.476 --> 00:32:06.716 But 572 00:32:07.756 --> 00:32:08.916 anybody else like to speak on this? 573 00:32:08.996 --> 00:32:09.516 Mr. Chair, 574 00:32:10.396 --> 00:32:10.916 may I please? 575 00:32:11.076 --> 00:32:11.316 Go ahead. 576 00:32:13.416 --> 00:32:13.856 Petitioner, 577 00:32:15.056 --> 00:32:18.256 I have a question for you to ask. One of the resident mentioned 578 00:32:19.276 --> 00:32:23.116 in his speech that you guys offered $2,500 to 579 00:32:23.216 --> 00:32:26.576 all those residents just to not to oppose this site plan. 580 00:32:26.816 --> 00:32:27.276 Is it true? 581 00:32:29.636 --> 00:32:30.636 A couple of years ago, 582 00:32:31.516 --> 00:32:35.196 we had offered a settlement to neighbors for the 583 00:32:35.236 --> 00:32:38.376 inconvenience, that if they wanted 584 00:32:38.476 --> 00:32:42.036 to get compensation for the inconvenience. 585 00:32:43.156 --> 00:32:45.196 Yes, but I think there was only one 586 00:32:46.056 --> 00:32:49.405 person that agreed to do that. So it was 587 00:32:51.036 --> 00:32:54.356 offered as a settlement for the inconvenience that would be 588 00:32:54.756 --> 00:32:56.356 perhaps as a result of the project. 589 00:32:56.756 --> 00:32:57.756 But residents- 590 00:32:58.816 --> 00:32:59.656 Excuse me, please. 591 00:33:00.236 --> 00:33:00.416 Sir- 592 00:33:00.625 --> 00:33:00.625 Excuse me 593 00:33:00.625 --> 00:33:01.856 ... there's no interruptions in the- 594 00:33:02.136 --> 00:33:02.516 So- 595 00:33:02.526 --> 00:33:02.956 ... audience. 596 00:33:03.996 --> 00:33:07.396 Pardon me. If you want to come up and speak, you have your time to come up and 597 00:33:07.476 --> 00:33:07.756 speak. 598 00:33:08.245 --> 00:33:08.245 Okay. Yep. 599 00:33:08.256 --> 00:33:10.576 But no interruptions when the other people are speaking. 600 00:33:10.745 --> 00:33:10.745 But- 601 00:33:10.756 --> 00:33:10.806 Thank you 602 00:33:10.806 --> 00:33:14.056 ... residents mentioned clearly that you guys offer 603 00:33:14.116 --> 00:33:18.046 $2,500 just to oppose this site plan, not to oppose this site 604 00:33:18.096 --> 00:33:18.316 plan. 605 00:33:18.776 --> 00:33:22.276 No. Well, two things. One, that has nothing to do with this 606 00:33:22.336 --> 00:33:24.216 application. This was several years ago. 607 00:33:25.316 --> 00:33:26.156 But it was 608 00:33:27.136 --> 00:33:30.756 offered 609 00:33:30.976 --> 00:33:34.956 as, we understand this project might cause 610 00:33:34.976 --> 00:33:36.556 some inconvenience in the neighborhood, 611 00:33:37.536 --> 00:33:40.116 so we offered compensation for the inconvenience. 612 00:33:40.296 --> 00:33:44.185 So you are saying that that $2,500 offer was two years before, 613 00:33:44.296 --> 00:33:45.556 not recently. 614 00:33:45.636 --> 00:33:48.956 At least two years. I could look up the exact date, but it was several years 615 00:33:49.016 --> 00:33:50.516 ago. Yep. 616 00:33:50.576 --> 00:33:51.176 Okay. Thank you. 617 00:33:51.216 --> 00:33:52.996 Two to three years, I would estimate. 618 00:33:53.676 --> 00:33:55.016 Thank you. So I have another question. 619 00:33:55.916 --> 00:33:58.636 So you are trying to do rezoning for industry. 620 00:33:59.016 --> 00:34:01.496 What type of industry you have a plan 621 00:34:02.456 --> 00:34:03.236 to do it there? 622 00:34:03.516 --> 00:34:04.036 Okay. So, 623 00:34:04.916 --> 00:34:08.877 the only use of this would be to park empty trailers. 624 00:34:10.076 --> 00:34:10.316 The 625 00:34:11.476 --> 00:34:14.536 request to rezone it to M-2 is because that use 626 00:34:15.357 --> 00:34:17.236 wouldn't be allowed under any less 627 00:34:19.316 --> 00:34:23.176 severe zoning. So 628 00:34:23.656 --> 00:34:27.196 it's not that we want to put a factory there or a 629 00:34:27.236 --> 00:34:31.176 warehouse there. That's the zoning that would be required for the 630 00:34:31.216 --> 00:34:32.276 empty trailer parking. 631 00:34:33.357 --> 00:34:33.995 All right. Thank you. 632 00:34:34.336 --> 00:34:37.776 Concerned judgment. Yes, Chairman. It's removal of the parking only. Right. 633 00:34:38.756 --> 00:34:40.096 Right. Go ahead, Commissioner. 634 00:34:41.156 --> 00:34:41.476 Because 635 00:34:42.576 --> 00:34:43.256 I oppose 636 00:34:44.316 --> 00:34:48.016 the plan because if we change from R-1 to 637 00:34:48.636 --> 00:34:49.076 M-2, 638 00:34:50.056 --> 00:34:53.256 and you guys are parking the trailer now, 639 00:34:53.836 --> 00:34:57.595 eventually if you leave some days, then someone 640 00:34:57.655 --> 00:35:00.996 will build a factory here. Industry. 641 00:35:01.056 --> 00:35:02.156 There is a possibility. 642 00:35:02.456 --> 00:35:03.156 Yeah. Actually, 643 00:35:03.976 --> 00:35:04.006 this- 644 00:35:04.006 --> 00:35:04.376 So this is- 645 00:35:05.536 --> 00:35:06.926 What were you...? Oh, go ahead. 646 00:35:06.926 --> 00:35:06.976 Okay. 647 00:35:07.936 --> 00:35:11.916 So, the proposal we made is for a conditional zoning, and 648 00:35:11.936 --> 00:35:14.316 perhaps Ms. Michaels could confirm this. 649 00:35:14.656 --> 00:35:18.476 If this use stops, then the zoning approval goes away, 650 00:35:18.896 --> 00:35:20.596 and it reverts to R-1 C. 651 00:35:21.896 --> 00:35:24.056 Yeah. But still it's 652 00:35:26.636 --> 00:35:30.436 not good place for the truck parking because 653 00:35:30.496 --> 00:35:34.316 surrounding neighborhood are residential 654 00:35:34.336 --> 00:35:38.216 neighborhood, and it's damaging the road, too, and bumping 655 00:35:38.316 --> 00:35:38.896 all day. 656 00:35:39.816 --> 00:35:43.096 So this is not a safe place for the truck parking. 657 00:35:43.576 --> 00:35:47.216 Well, but part of the question, sir, is where 658 00:35:47.296 --> 00:35:51.196 else do we go? And frankly, I'm not 659 00:35:51.276 --> 00:35:54.616 intending this as a threat. It's the reality is if the 660 00:35:54.656 --> 00:35:57.426 company doesn't have enough space to operate here, 661 00:35:58.196 --> 00:36:01.376 then the likelihood is that they'll move out of Warren 662 00:36:01.436 --> 00:36:03.526 entirely, which would 663 00:36:04.356 --> 00:36:06.376 not be good for the tax base here. 664 00:36:06.426 --> 00:36:09.956 They pay significant taxes on the 665 00:36:10.016 --> 00:36:12.936 properties they use now. They provide employment. 666 00:36:14.656 --> 00:36:18.396 And I understand the concerns, and we've tried to address the 667 00:36:18.416 --> 00:36:22.406 concerns by controlling which direction the trucks would go, but I 668 00:36:22.416 --> 00:36:26.296 think it's a misapprehension of what this 669 00:36:26.376 --> 00:36:29.116 is. This isn't going to be constant in and out all day long. 670 00:36:29.176 --> 00:36:31.316 It's literally a trailer 671 00:36:32.496 --> 00:36:36.456 isn't in use. It gets parked, and it stays there until the next time 672 00:36:36.496 --> 00:36:38.716 it's used, which could be 673 00:36:39.736 --> 00:36:43.316 weeks or months later. So it's not constant in and out. 674 00:36:49.566 --> 00:36:51.646 Madam Attorney, do you want to say something? 675 00:36:51.826 --> 00:36:55.426 If I may, I just want to bring to the commission's attention, in the agreement, 676 00:36:55.486 --> 00:36:58.646 they agreed to put up a "No Left Turn" sign 677 00:36:59.486 --> 00:37:02.206 to keep the trucks to drive 678 00:37:03.066 --> 00:37:06.806 only east. What they also did was agreed that the Warren 679 00:37:06.906 --> 00:37:10.626 Police Department could enforce the traffic code and that 680 00:37:10.686 --> 00:37:13.856 sign on its property. What I'd almost like to add, because 681 00:37:13.886 --> 00:37:17.076 this will be forwarded to city council- 682 00:37:17.106 --> 00:37:17.236 Right 683 00:37:17.506 --> 00:37:21.466 ... if there's approval ultimately, add that we can enforce the no 684 00:37:21.566 --> 00:37:23.166 idling requirement. 685 00:37:23.246 --> 00:37:27.046 Yes. There is also a provision in the agreement of trucks would 686 00:37:27.066 --> 00:37:30.376 not idle there. There would be no refrigerated trailers. 687 00:37:30.406 --> 00:37:33.946 The trailers would all be empty. So a truck can't idle on the lot. 688 00:37:34.006 --> 00:37:36.786 It just goes and drops off a trailer, and it leaves. 689 00:37:38.466 --> 00:37:40.766 Okay. 690 00:37:42.146 --> 00:37:44.226 So we have tried as much as we can to 691 00:37:45.546 --> 00:37:47.146 minimize the impact on the neighbors. 692 00:37:47.556 --> 00:37:51.406 And I did look up, sir, the discussions we had with settlement 693 00:37:51.966 --> 00:37:55.846 was in November of 2023, so it was almost three years ago. 694 00:37:56.126 --> 00:37:57.745 They have a driveway or two. 695 00:37:58.506 --> 00:38:02.826 Yep. 696 00:38:03.106 --> 00:38:06.896 There's two cars parked there today, but I wonder 697 00:38:06.966 --> 00:38:09.326 why tonight. Right. Okay. Thank you, sir. 698 00:38:09.406 --> 00:38:09.546 Okay. 699 00:38:09.576 --> 00:38:10.356 Any other discussion? 700 00:38:10.666 --> 00:38:10.966 Thank you. 701 00:38:21.086 --> 00:38:22.526 Seeing none, roll call. 702 00:38:23.906 --> 00:38:24.306 Commissioner Mori. 703 00:38:24.326 --> 00:38:27.946 There's a motion by Commissioner Mori, supported by Commissioner Ansari. Roll call. 704 00:38:28.246 --> 00:38:30.446 Yep. Commissioner Mori, I voted a no. 705 00:38:32.386 --> 00:38:34.166 Yes to the motion. 706 00:38:35.426 --> 00:38:36.046 Commissioner Ansari? 707 00:38:37.026 --> 00:38:37.566 No or yes? 708 00:38:38.326 --> 00:38:40.886 No, my motion was to deny. 709 00:38:41.366 --> 00:38:41.626 So yes- 710 00:38:41.646 --> 00:38:42.266 So yes 711 00:38:42.646 --> 00:38:42.676 ... to deny. 712 00:38:42.706 --> 00:38:43.286 Yes to deny. 713 00:38:43.626 --> 00:38:43.826 Okay. 714 00:38:44.136 --> 00:38:46.226 And please, as a reminder, friendly please, Mr. 715 00:38:46.266 --> 00:38:48.786 Chair, just to state reasons for the basis- 716 00:38:48.826 --> 00:38:49.166 Yes 717 00:38:49.186 --> 00:38:49.556 ... of the vote. 718 00:38:50.436 --> 00:38:50.436 Okay. 719 00:38:50.446 --> 00:38:51.586 It's important for the record. 720 00:38:52.146 --> 00:38:55.766 Okay. Motion to deny, keeping the neighbors 721 00:38:55.866 --> 00:38:57.685 and the property value in mind. 722 00:38:59.126 --> 00:39:00.386 Commissioner Ansari? 723 00:39:00.566 --> 00:39:01.226 Yes, to deny. 724 00:39:03.226 --> 00:39:03.626 Reason, 725 00:39:04.706 --> 00:39:08.646 neighborhood safety, as it's going to be a lot of truck out there, so I think it's 726 00:39:08.656 --> 00:39:10.126 not going to be safe for the neighborhood. 727 00:39:10.226 --> 00:39:13.686 So that is the main reason I'm supporting deny. 728 00:39:14.546 --> 00:39:15.276 Commissioner Holowaty? 729 00:39:16.966 --> 00:39:20.606 Yes, to deny due to I figure it might be more harm to the neighborhood. 730 00:39:22.966 --> 00:39:23.586 Commissioner Hawk? 731 00:39:24.606 --> 00:39:25.726 Yes to deny because 732 00:39:26.586 --> 00:39:26.626 to 733 00:39:27.826 --> 00:39:29.426 keep the neighborhood safe 734 00:39:30.546 --> 00:39:31.526 and property value, 735 00:39:32.346 --> 00:39:33.546 as these are high. Yes. 736 00:39:34.006 --> 00:39:34.706 Commissioner Benake? 737 00:39:35.986 --> 00:39:39.866 Yes to deny because the master plan wants multifamily, and we need the 738 00:39:39.886 --> 00:39:41.186 count. Warren 739 00:39:42.246 --> 00:39:46.026 might not have the most populations in a few years if we don't start putting 740 00:39:46.046 --> 00:39:46.906 people in our city. 741 00:39:47.866 --> 00:39:48.186 Thank you. 742 00:39:48.826 --> 00:39:49.475 Commissioner Smith? 743 00:39:50.026 --> 00:39:53.366 Yes to deny. It doesn't seem like it's a good 744 00:39:53.526 --> 00:39:57.146 fit because, like I said, I know they tried to put 745 00:39:57.186 --> 00:40:00.226 apartments there some other time, and that didn't really work. 746 00:40:00.286 --> 00:40:02.306 But that doesn't mean there can't be something else there. 747 00:40:03.126 --> 00:40:07.106 I just don't like the idea of 166 trailers staring at the 748 00:40:07.166 --> 00:40:07.626 residents. 749 00:40:08.706 --> 00:40:10.406 So I vote yes to deny. 750 00:40:12.586 --> 00:40:16.446 So we all voted yes to deny, so the 751 00:40:16.466 --> 00:40:17.446 motion's been denied. 752 00:40:18.526 --> 00:40:19.646 Thank you for your time, gentlemen. 753 00:40:24.566 --> 00:40:25.586 Item number 6C. 754 00:40:29.666 --> 00:40:33.606 Item number 6C, request for standard rezoning located on 755 00:40:33.646 --> 00:40:35.126 the west side of Burke Road, 756 00:40:35.946 --> 00:40:39.666 approximately 819.7 feet south of 11 Mile Road. 757 00:40:42.306 --> 00:40:46.016 From the present zoning classification of R1C, one family 758 00:40:46.086 --> 00:40:47.946 residential district, to R3, 759 00:40:49.346 --> 00:40:53.286 multifamily dwelling district. 26523 760 00:40:53.346 --> 00:40:53.886 Burke Road, 761 00:40:54.286 --> 00:40:57.926 13-22-204-008, 762 00:40:58.366 --> 00:40:58.866 parcel 763 00:40:59.266 --> 00:41:03.226 13-22-204-003. 764 00:41:04.126 --> 00:41:06.596 The south 221.7 feet, 765 00:41:07.286 --> 00:41:09.466 11200 11 Mile Road, 766 00:41:09.726 --> 00:41:13.886 13-22-204-012. 767 00:41:14.266 --> 00:41:14.746 The south 768 00:41:15.166 --> 00:41:18.946 221.7 feet, 769 00:41:19.286 --> 00:41:22.306 section 22, Muhammad Abdul Wahab 770 00:41:22.486 --> 00:41:25.946 Waheed, Michigan Institute of Sacred Knowledge, 771 00:41:26.286 --> 00:41:29.986 Jamal Khan, Graviton Ventures LLC, 772 00:41:30.446 --> 00:41:33.626 PR-260001. Thank you. 773 00:41:34.366 --> 00:41:35.806 Thank you. The petitioner, good evening, sir. 774 00:41:35.846 --> 00:41:37.426 State your name and address for the record. 775 00:41:37.566 --> 00:41:41.206 Sure. Hi. My name is Jamal Khan. I'm a resident of Rochester 776 00:41:41.266 --> 00:41:41.966 Hills, Michigan. 777 00:41:43.486 --> 00:41:46.726 I represent Graviton Ventures here. I'm a developer out of Rochester Hills. 778 00:41:48.186 --> 00:41:49.906 Okay. You want to tell us a little bit about your project? 779 00:41:50.226 --> 00:41:50.486 Sure. 780 00:41:51.666 --> 00:41:55.166 First of all, I want to say thank you all for hearing me out. 781 00:41:56.546 --> 00:42:00.186 We are actually very excited to share this project, 782 00:42:00.626 --> 00:42:03.906 which has been thoughtfully designed as a residential development in your 783 00:42:03.946 --> 00:42:04.466 neighborhood. 784 00:42:05.506 --> 00:42:08.356 We have 36 modern apartments that we are proposing, 785 00:42:08.946 --> 00:42:09.666 condominiums, 786 00:42:10.516 --> 00:42:14.486 which will have beautifully landscaped public gazebo and a garden area 787 00:42:14.546 --> 00:42:18.416 up front. This project is actually not only designed 788 00:42:18.416 --> 00:42:22.146 to provide high-quality housing, but also foster a stronger, more 789 00:42:22.246 --> 00:42:23.336 connected community, 790 00:42:24.326 --> 00:42:28.236 with amenities like accessible outdoor space from 791 00:42:28.236 --> 00:42:32.226 the street and public EV chargers that we're going to install 792 00:42:32.266 --> 00:42:35.826 up front for use by the neighbors. You can see a little bit of a 793 00:42:35.846 --> 00:42:36.846 pictorial up there. 794 00:42:37.676 --> 00:42:41.446 But the development is actually focused on making efficient use of the 795 00:42:41.526 --> 00:42:45.186 land by rezoning the current R1C 796 00:42:46.226 --> 00:42:50.138 zoning to R3 zoning.The apartment themselves, which we are 797 00:42:50.158 --> 00:42:54.018 proposing, are going to be highly energy efficient and will 798 00:42:54.058 --> 00:42:58.037 attract individuals and families who value quality living 799 00:42:58.238 --> 00:42:59.358 and a sense of community. 800 00:43:00.358 --> 00:43:03.948 Our goal is to enhance the character and livability of the area by 801 00:43:03.978 --> 00:43:07.658 integrating architecture and landscaping that 802 00:43:07.718 --> 00:43:10.878 respects the existing neighborhood while adding more value. 803 00:43:12.098 --> 00:43:14.218 So we understand the importance 804 00:43:15.358 --> 00:43:19.018 of neighborhood harmony, and we are committed to being good neighbors 805 00:43:19.278 --> 00:43:22.198 throughout the construction process and beyond. 806 00:43:22.918 --> 00:43:26.838 And for that reason, before we actually put the plan 807 00:43:26.878 --> 00:43:27.998 together, 808 00:43:28.918 --> 00:43:30.918 we put a little bit of drawing together. 809 00:43:30.958 --> 00:43:34.538 We met the planning commission to bring it to their attention 810 00:43:35.198 --> 00:43:39.018 and showed them that currently, that particular 811 00:43:39.028 --> 00:43:42.588 area is a asphalt parking lot way back in that church, 812 00:43:43.078 --> 00:43:45.958 which is not being used. And on the other side 813 00:43:46.778 --> 00:43:49.998 towards Berg Road is a one-acre land, which is also not being used, 814 00:43:51.698 --> 00:43:54.058 as you can see in the pictures there. 815 00:43:54.618 --> 00:43:58.098 So what we did is, after we met the planning department, once we 816 00:43:58.458 --> 00:44:02.238 draw a little bit of a plan, we actually sent out letters to the 817 00:44:02.278 --> 00:44:04.778 neighbors explaining what we are planning to do. 818 00:44:09.518 --> 00:44:10.818 Order. Nobody 819 00:44:12.098 --> 00:44:13.038 be blurting out in here. 820 00:44:13.438 --> 00:44:16.598 So we did receive addresses from the city 821 00:44:17.298 --> 00:44:20.498 of all neighbors who are within 100 feet or so, or 200 feet 822 00:44:21.238 --> 00:44:24.898 of the development. And we sent out letters, and we 823 00:44:25.218 --> 00:44:27.338 did try to speak to some of the neighbors 824 00:44:28.438 --> 00:44:30.058 at a meeting and showed them the plan. 825 00:44:30.598 --> 00:44:34.158 And few of the concerns that the neighbors brought during that meeting 826 00:44:35.378 --> 00:44:36.678 was lighting. 827 00:44:37.578 --> 00:44:41.298 So we did go ahead and do a photometric plan, which shows that zero 828 00:44:41.398 --> 00:44:44.758 light from the poles will be emitted out of the property. 829 00:44:44.818 --> 00:44:46.168 The other concern was 830 00:44:47.958 --> 00:44:51.858 how the line of sight from these buildings are going to be into 831 00:44:51.878 --> 00:44:55.378 their properties. So we did orient the building in such a way 832 00:44:56.038 --> 00:44:59.938 that wherever there is windows on the building, that's going to be at least 833 00:45:00.058 --> 00:45:03.538 80 feet away from our boundary, plus the neighbor's 834 00:45:03.578 --> 00:45:07.418 backyard. And on the south side of the property there, we have 50 835 00:45:07.458 --> 00:45:10.638 feet from the boundary. So, 836 00:45:11.478 --> 00:45:14.718 we make sure that there are no windows on the south side of the building. 837 00:45:14.778 --> 00:45:18.438 In addition, what we did is after the neighborhood meeting, we went and 838 00:45:18.498 --> 00:45:22.018 modified the landscaping plan to put additional 839 00:45:22.378 --> 00:45:26.318 trees, which you will see in the landscaping plan, along the south side as 840 00:45:26.358 --> 00:45:27.738 well as the west side of the property. 841 00:45:28.418 --> 00:45:32.318 And to also address the light from the 842 00:45:32.378 --> 00:45:35.838 cars that are going to go around and park there, we 843 00:45:35.878 --> 00:45:37.198 proposed bushes 844 00:45:38.658 --> 00:45:42.018 along that line, and we are also going to enhance the fence. 845 00:45:42.498 --> 00:45:46.458 So what you see here, what we're trying to do is do our best 846 00:45:46.778 --> 00:45:47.858 to work with the neighbors, 847 00:45:49.458 --> 00:45:53.318 and try to make the best use of this particular parcel, 848 00:45:53.878 --> 00:45:57.538 which is currently vacant, whether with the parking lot or the one-acre 849 00:45:57.618 --> 00:46:01.598 lot. And the gazebo up front is going to be a public space that they could 850 00:46:01.718 --> 00:46:05.398 use. They could walk along Berg Road and come in there and charge their 851 00:46:05.478 --> 00:46:08.018 cars. While charging, they can use the gazebo. 852 00:46:09.738 --> 00:46:12.858 In addition, we are going to have underground 853 00:46:14.058 --> 00:46:16.518 detention system. My engineering firm who's here, 854 00:46:17.398 --> 00:46:20.358 they will be able to talk if you have any questions about that. 855 00:46:21.158 --> 00:46:21.528 And 856 00:46:23.178 --> 00:46:26.767 as the other point here is that I would like to make, 857 00:46:28.238 --> 00:46:32.098 the traffic was one of the concerns, and we did bring it up 858 00:46:32.618 --> 00:46:35.738 and talked with the planning commission about it, too. 859 00:46:35.798 --> 00:46:39.318 And I think Ron here will address that a little bit. 860 00:46:39.738 --> 00:46:43.598 But the thing is, where this property is located is very close to 861 00:46:43.678 --> 00:46:47.558 11 Mile, so majority of the traffic should go up 11 862 00:46:47.618 --> 00:46:51.498 Mile to get in and out of this development, and they shouldn't be going south 863 00:46:51.518 --> 00:46:52.478 on Berg Road. 864 00:46:53.858 --> 00:46:57.818 And as far as the actual development itself, we did pay attention to 865 00:46:57.878 --> 00:47:01.238 every detail. We have extra parking so that nobody parks on the street. 866 00:47:02.538 --> 00:47:06.158 We also have an entry and an exit point, so there's 867 00:47:06.198 --> 00:47:09.677 no traffic congestion or anything else. 868 00:47:10.358 --> 00:47:12.378 And every little detail that we could, 869 00:47:13.298 --> 00:47:16.558 we've done a lot of work right in this phase. 870 00:47:16.898 --> 00:47:20.318 Yes, we are not into site plan approval yet, but we've done, I would say, 871 00:47:20.578 --> 00:47:24.558 75% of the work to take care of the concerns of the neighbors, 872 00:47:24.698 --> 00:47:26.158 as well as to keep the harmony 873 00:47:27.098 --> 00:47:30.488 of that particular property. So in my opinion, to conclude, 874 00:47:30.918 --> 00:47:34.758 this development will actually enhance not 875 00:47:34.798 --> 00:47:38.768 just the look and feel of that particular parcel and that particular property, 876 00:47:38.798 --> 00:47:42.298 but it'll also give you better landscaping, more green space. 877 00:47:43.238 --> 00:47:46.158 If I'm not mistaken, 25% to 30% of the land 878 00:47:47.118 --> 00:47:50.298 of the 3.27 acres that we're using is going to be green space. 879 00:47:50.338 --> 00:47:51.998 There is a gazebo and a garden up front. 880 00:47:52.468 --> 00:47:56.398 There is buffer area of 15 feet all around the property, which 881 00:47:56.438 --> 00:47:58.518 is a green space. Plus around the 882 00:47:59.738 --> 00:48:02.538 building itself, we're going to have green space. 883 00:48:03.238 --> 00:48:03.498 So 884 00:48:05.658 --> 00:48:09.258 if there are any questions, I'm ready to answer, but this is the 885 00:48:09.318 --> 00:48:09.838 project here. 886 00:48:10.158 --> 00:48:11.498 Thank you, sir. Correspondence? 887 00:48:13.718 --> 00:48:16.668 Correspondence is... Give me a second. 888 00:48:17.118 --> 00:48:17.918 Taxes current. 889 00:48:18.138 --> 00:48:22.018 Building has no issues. 890 00:48:22.078 --> 00:48:25.918 AT&T. AT&T does not object to the rezoning of these 891 00:48:25.938 --> 00:48:29.698 parcels. Comcast. In response to your utility request for the 892 00:48:29.738 --> 00:48:33.518 above project, Comcast has aerial and underground facilities in the 893 00:48:33.598 --> 00:48:37.278 area. Please refer to the attached map for the location of Comcast 894 00:48:37.658 --> 00:48:41.138 CATV and fiber facilities. Each print page has a 895 00:48:41.158 --> 00:48:44.808 corresponding color key for easy reference to the location printed. 896 00:48:45.318 --> 00:48:49.258 If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us by email 897 00:48:49.358 --> 00:48:49.598 at 898 00:48:49.638 --> 00:48:54.398 cccutilityrequest@teamsigma.com.DTE. 899 00:48:54.838 --> 00:48:57.858 DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for standard 900 00:48:57.938 --> 00:49:01.848 rezoning from R-1C, one-family residential, 901 00:49:01.858 --> 00:49:04.678 to R-3 multifamily dwelling district. 902 00:49:04.938 --> 00:49:07.738 DTE has no objection to this request impacting 903 00:49:07.878 --> 00:49:09.598 26523 Berg Road, 904 00:49:09.898 --> 00:49:13.438 13-22-204-008, 905 00:49:13.818 --> 00:49:14.258 Parcel 906 00:49:14.578 --> 00:49:18.198 13-22-204-003, 907 00:49:18.658 --> 00:49:21.078 the south 221.7 feet, 908 00:49:21.798 --> 00:49:23.578 11200 11 Mile Road, 909 00:49:23.878 --> 00:49:27.618 13-22-204-012, the south 910 00:49:27.798 --> 00:49:31.698 221.7 feet, Section 22 per the site plan provided. 911 00:49:32.038 --> 00:49:35.898 If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at 912 00:49:36.118 --> 00:49:38.938 586-783-1978. 913 00:49:39.838 --> 00:49:41.858 I also have some correspondence that I'll go ahead and read. 914 00:49:41.918 --> 00:49:42.758 Okay. 915 00:49:43.238 --> 00:49:45.738 These were letters that were sent on... Yes. 916 00:49:46.738 --> 00:49:50.438 I'm sorry. If they're letters from the public, maybe during public 917 00:49:50.478 --> 00:49:50.838 hearing. 918 00:49:51.218 --> 00:49:51.398 Okay. 919 00:49:51.638 --> 00:49:52.328 Okay. Thanks. 920 00:49:52.498 --> 00:49:53.678 These are letters shown the public. 921 00:49:53.978 --> 00:49:55.658 Okay. We'll read those during public hearing. 922 00:49:55.878 --> 00:49:56.618 Sounds good. Thank you. 923 00:49:59.198 --> 00:50:01.018 Okay. Okay. Planning department's recommendation. 924 00:50:24.538 --> 00:50:27.938 Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows. 925 00:50:27.958 --> 00:50:31.848 The following recommendation is made regarding 926 00:50:31.898 --> 00:50:35.878 the standard rezoning request for the property in question 927 00:50:36.498 --> 00:50:37.358 as described 928 00:50:38.718 --> 00:50:42.448 formerly there. It is recommended that the standard rezoning 929 00:50:42.518 --> 00:50:46.178 request from R-1C, one-family residential 930 00:50:46.278 --> 00:50:48.958 district, to R-3, 931 00:50:49.358 --> 00:50:52.838 multiple-family dwelling district, be approved. 932 00:50:54.698 --> 00:50:58.558 It is a consistent assumption that given the fact 933 00:50:58.598 --> 00:51:02.277 that the master plan, after much research, 934 00:51:02.398 --> 00:51:05.958 determined that one-family residential dwelling units 935 00:51:06.718 --> 00:51:10.218 account for 75% of the housing stock 936 00:51:10.778 --> 00:51:11.778 in the city of Warren. 937 00:51:13.398 --> 00:51:17.278 It is also a good assumption that a diverse housing 938 00:51:17.618 --> 00:51:18.638 stock is needed, 939 00:51:19.938 --> 00:51:23.418 and in this case, 36 additional dwellings 940 00:51:24.098 --> 00:51:27.618 representing the missing middle housing type 941 00:51:28.578 --> 00:51:31.818 would begin to change the need for a higher 942 00:51:31.858 --> 00:51:33.498 density in the city. 943 00:51:34.638 --> 00:51:38.258 The location is mostly an asphalt parking area 944 00:51:39.298 --> 00:51:42.978 and vacant lot owned by the Michigan Institute of Sacred 945 00:51:43.038 --> 00:51:43.518 Knowledge. 946 00:51:44.738 --> 00:51:48.278 The specific area in question is seldom used, being 947 00:51:48.718 --> 00:51:52.438 part of an overall parking area for the institute. 948 00:51:54.508 --> 00:51:58.418 The site is abutting one-family dwellings on one part of the 949 00:51:58.458 --> 00:52:00.618 north line, along 950 00:52:02.898 --> 00:52:04.818 with the existing parking area, 951 00:52:05.998 --> 00:52:09.907 across Berg Road, and along the entire south and 952 00:52:09.998 --> 00:52:11.238 west property lines. 953 00:52:12.678 --> 00:52:16.478 The future land use map of the master plan identifies this 954 00:52:16.558 --> 00:52:16.958 area 955 00:52:18.118 --> 00:52:21.478 as a potential commercial business area. 956 00:52:22.438 --> 00:52:25.878 The planning staff seriously believes that a more 957 00:52:25.898 --> 00:52:28.938 premium and lesser traffic-generating use 958 00:52:29.838 --> 00:52:33.258 is the development of the proposed multiple 959 00:52:33.398 --> 00:52:36.218 family dwelling 960 00:52:36.718 --> 00:52:39.018 development in this area. 961 00:52:40.318 --> 00:52:43.998 This change in use would prompt this part of 962 00:52:44.078 --> 00:52:45.698 a non-taxable 963 00:52:45.738 --> 00:52:49.678 property to 964 00:52:49.758 --> 00:52:52.018 be taxed by the city in the future. 965 00:52:52.907 --> 00:52:56.528 The master plan also identifies the abundance of 966 00:52:56.578 --> 00:53:00.458 hard-surfaced areas in the city. This development 967 00:53:00.918 --> 00:53:03.718 would provide less hard-surfaced areas, 968 00:53:04.718 --> 00:53:06.268 more landscaped areas, 969 00:53:07.298 --> 00:53:10.418 and much improved stormwater drainage of the area. 970 00:53:11.838 --> 00:53:15.418 Finally, the planning staff did investigate, to a lesser 971 00:53:15.498 --> 00:53:19.298 degree, the issue of additional traffic on Berg 972 00:53:19.378 --> 00:53:19.758 Road. 973 00:53:20.898 --> 00:53:24.778 The assumption is that the majority of the traffic 974 00:53:24.838 --> 00:53:26.378 generated from the site 975 00:53:27.218 --> 00:53:31.008 would travel north to 11 Mile Road, a major 976 00:53:31.198 --> 00:53:35.138 roadway, to gain access to the rest of the local 977 00:53:35.218 --> 00:53:35.578 area. 978 00:53:36.998 --> 00:53:40.738 To a lesser degree, minimal traffic would go south to Engelman 979 00:53:40.878 --> 00:53:44.698 Avenue to access Hoover Road to the east 980 00:53:45.498 --> 00:53:49.158 and Lorraine or Van D**e Avenue to the 981 00:53:49.198 --> 00:53:49.538 west. 982 00:53:50.798 --> 00:53:54.158 So with that, Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted. Thank you. 983 00:53:54.598 --> 00:53:55.338 Thank you, Mr. Worth. 984 00:53:56.738 --> 00:54:00.598 This is the public hearing, but we've got a couple items we have to read 985 00:54:00.638 --> 00:54:03.938 first, and then we'll have the people come up and make their remarks. 986 00:54:04.658 --> 00:54:05.998 Okay. I'll go ahead and read the 987 00:54:07.558 --> 00:54:11.158 emails that were sent to us. This was sent from Philip Bermelay 988 00:54:11.298 --> 00:54:14.418 on May 12, 2026. "Hello. My name 989 00:54:15.518 --> 00:54:19.358 is Philip Bermelay. My family and I are lifelong residents and have 990 00:54:19.378 --> 00:54:22.938 resided at 26520 Berg since 991 00:54:22.958 --> 00:54:26.718 1968, which is directly across the proposed Berg Road 992 00:54:27.038 --> 00:54:30.398 condos rezoning request, 26523 Berg. 993 00:54:31.038 --> 00:54:34.438 Let me start by saying that my wife and I are adamantly opposed to the 994 00:54:34.598 --> 00:54:35.618 rezoning request. 995 00:54:36.638 --> 00:54:39.558 I know you are all busy, so I will try to keep this short. 996 00:54:40.018 --> 00:54:43.158 You should know that I owned and maintained the property in question from 997 00:54:43.238 --> 00:54:47.198 2012 to 2024. I sold the property to the Mifta 998 00:54:47.238 --> 00:54:50.618 Institute so they would have a place for the students during recess. 999 00:54:50.658 --> 00:54:53.848 Their exacts were, 'It's for the kids.' Here are my 1000 00:54:53.878 --> 00:54:57.758 concerns. First and foremost, this is a residential neighborhood. 1001 00:54:57.798 --> 00:55:01.538 My wife and I are heavily invested in the area with our 1002 00:55:01.558 --> 00:55:05.070 beautiful home."The last thing we want to see is a two-story 1003 00:55:05.190 --> 00:55:08.950 structure with two driveways coming and going in front of us. 1004 00:55:09.470 --> 00:55:12.830 We are already overburdened around here with traffic 1005 00:55:12.930 --> 00:55:14.310 flow coming from 1006 00:55:15.270 --> 00:55:17.750 the Joseph Coach Stillwell Manor. 1007 00:55:18.350 --> 00:55:21.750 Their south driveway is adjacent to our north property line. 1008 00:55:21.830 --> 00:55:25.310 Unfortunately, due to the circumstance, this is 1009 00:55:25.370 --> 00:55:29.010 expected at times by the frequent fire 1010 00:55:29.030 --> 00:55:31.250 department trips to the facility. 1011 00:55:31.290 --> 00:55:35.090 Additionally, we receive overflow parking from the facility as well. 1012 00:55:35.150 --> 00:55:38.480 The road frontage in front of the facility is always full with 1013 00:55:38.510 --> 00:55:42.230 parked cars. This makes it very difficult for everyone who 1014 00:55:42.250 --> 00:55:43.110 traverses Berg. 1015 00:55:44.030 --> 00:55:47.590 I can't tell you how many times my wife and I have been almost hit by 1016 00:55:47.730 --> 00:55:51.510 a motorist unwilling to slow down and wait as we 1017 00:55:51.570 --> 00:55:54.970 enter our driveway. Let us not forget that Berg Road in 1018 00:55:55.210 --> 00:55:59.150 it of itself is already a busy thoroughfare. 1019 00:56:00.170 --> 00:56:04.090 The MIFTA Institute has a stream of cars twice a day that drive down 1020 00:56:04.150 --> 00:56:07.250 Berg once they have dropped off their children. 1021 00:56:07.289 --> 00:56:11.110 When the MIFTA Institute hosts an event, Berg and Carrier are completely 1022 00:56:11.150 --> 00:56:14.370 lined with parked cars on both sides of the street. 1023 00:56:14.410 --> 00:56:17.630 What's bothersome about this is that they have the 1024 00:56:17.670 --> 00:56:21.570 property 26806 Berg, but they just prefer to 1025 00:56:21.630 --> 00:56:25.390 rent it out to people like Consumers Energy, for which the city has 1026 00:56:25.430 --> 00:56:28.350 received many complaints over truck traffic. 1027 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.750 They are a M-zone contractor operating in a C1 zone 1028 00:56:32.810 --> 00:56:34.970 by special permit used by the city. 1029 00:56:37.970 --> 00:56:41.010 My suggestion, have the MIFTA Institute utilize the 1030 00:56:41.050 --> 00:56:44.730 26806 Berg's property for their proposed 1031 00:56:44.810 --> 00:56:48.790 condos. There's already one residential property that would affect, and they 1032 00:56:48.830 --> 00:56:52.750 could easily purchase that if they require more space for their project. 1033 00:56:53.210 --> 00:56:56.910 This parcel is completely out of the way from the proposed negative impact they're 1034 00:56:56.950 --> 00:57:00.590 suggesting we endure. Lastly, we have started a petition drive, 1035 00:57:00.930 --> 00:57:04.690 and I have enclosed a flyer that will accompany it. Thank you for your time. 1036 00:57:04.880 --> 00:57:08.570 Philip Bermelay, 586-260-8326. 1037 00:57:10.510 --> 00:57:14.490 And there is a flyer that mentions about today's 1038 00:57:14.510 --> 00:57:14.720 meeting. 1039 00:57:15.970 --> 00:57:19.950 We have another one that was also sent on May 17th. 1040 00:57:20.010 --> 00:57:22.390 Try to keep them to three minutes. I'm going to try to keep them to three minutes. 1041 00:57:22.790 --> 00:57:22.950 Okay. 1042 00:57:23.870 --> 00:57:27.790 May 17th from Matt Verde. "I 1043 00:57:27.850 --> 00:57:31.470 am a constituent who is against this condo project as it was 1044 00:57:31.510 --> 00:57:34.860 proposed months ago. Houses, on the other hand, could work. 1045 00:57:34.910 --> 00:57:37.950 I have lived on Richard Drive since 2002. 1046 00:57:38.010 --> 00:57:41.720 I didn't buy a house there only for its value to fall and consequently 1047 00:57:42.210 --> 00:57:44.070 lose the foundation of my retirement." 1048 00:57:46.310 --> 00:57:50.280 There's two emails. This is actually a reply, so I'm not 1049 00:57:50.290 --> 00:57:52.390 going to go ahead and read the email. 1050 00:57:52.610 --> 00:57:52.690 Yeah, 1051 00:57:53.910 --> 00:57:54.060 read the email. 1052 00:57:54.060 --> 00:57:55.060 Read the email back to them? 1053 00:57:56.240 --> 00:57:56.240 Sure. 1054 00:57:56.250 --> 00:57:57.390 There is a reply to the email. 1055 00:58:01.230 --> 00:58:03.370 From our Councilman Noonan. 1056 00:58:05.250 --> 00:58:07.010 Does that fall within the public hearing? 1057 00:58:08.570 --> 00:58:10.230 I think only the statement from them. 1058 00:58:10.550 --> 00:58:10.690 Okay. 1059 00:58:11.070 --> 00:58:11.860 From the resident, yeah. 1060 00:58:11.930 --> 00:58:14.810 Okay. So I went ahead and read them, not reading the reply to the email. 1061 00:58:15.030 --> 00:58:15.570 There's another one? 1062 00:58:16.710 --> 00:58:17.730 There is the second one. 1063 00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:19.659 That's separate from that one you just read. 1064 00:58:19.750 --> 00:58:20.090 Yes. 1065 00:58:20.150 --> 00:58:21.370 Okay. Let me reset the timer. 1066 00:58:21.610 --> 00:58:25.290 Yes, please. This is from David Cooks. 1067 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.710 "There is a plan, 36 two-story apartment ventures with 93 1068 00:58:29.810 --> 00:58:32.610 parking areas planned to be developed in this area. 1069 00:58:32.770 --> 00:58:36.410 If the City of Warren Planning Commission allows a zoning request change from 1070 00:58:36.550 --> 00:58:39.830 R1C, single-family residential to 1071 00:58:39.990 --> 00:58:42.990 R3C, multi-family dwelling district. 1072 00:58:43.490 --> 00:58:47.310 This venture is in the wrong area. Should be placed at hand that Consumers 1073 00:58:47.350 --> 00:58:51.250 Energy is currently leasing from owners of 11200 1074 00:58:51.350 --> 00:58:54.850 East 11 Mile Road. The sensible logic is that 1075 00:58:55.210 --> 00:58:59.050 ingress and egress to and from apartment and condominiums will 1076 00:58:59.090 --> 00:59:01.210 be on main road of 11 Mile. 1077 00:59:02.190 --> 00:59:06.110 This will not affect residential homes in Capatini 1078 00:59:07.250 --> 00:59:11.170 Heights area. The half square mile area has only two North 1079 00:59:11.250 --> 00:59:15.050 and South roads from Engelman to 1080 00:59:15.110 --> 00:59:18.430 11 Mile Road, both being 25 mile per hour 1081 00:59:18.790 --> 00:59:22.530 residential side streets. If 1082 00:59:22.569 --> 00:59:26.470 Gravetown Ventures partnering with 26523 1083 00:59:27.090 --> 00:59:29.830 Berg Road LLC want to develop said 1084 00:59:32.030 --> 00:59:35.990 area, they should be held to the same standards that all homeowners in 1085 00:59:36.050 --> 00:59:39.950 the area must abide to, and that is single-family residential 1086 00:59:40.190 --> 00:59:43.990 and not R-C3 multi-family residential. 1087 00:59:45.450 --> 00:59:48.310 To allow 36 apartments, condominiums with 1088 00:59:48.750 --> 00:59:52.650 93 planned parking for vehicles, all according to 1089 00:59:52.690 --> 00:59:56.500 proposed layout, entering and exiting on Berg Road, will be 1090 00:59:56.550 --> 00:59:59.930 too great of a burden on existing homes, 1091 01:00:00.370 --> 01:00:04.210 homeowners living in this area. It is also a safety concern because 1092 01:00:04.270 --> 01:00:07.910 of amount of runs that the City of Warren Fire paramedic 1093 01:00:08.010 --> 01:00:11.230 rescue squads are called to the City of Warren-owned 1094 01:00:11.310 --> 01:00:12.430 Stillwell Manor. 1095 01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.630 The City of Warren Planning Commission shall not grant this rezoning request. 1096 01:00:17.090 --> 01:00:20.670 It is in the City of Warren's best interest for R1C homes, 1097 01:00:20.950 --> 01:00:24.650 not R3C apartments. Residential homeowners 1098 01:00:24.730 --> 01:00:28.030 spend far greater amounts of money in local area, 1099 01:00:28.610 --> 01:00:32.540 benefiting local businesses, purchasing lawn mowers, weed 1100 01:00:32.590 --> 01:00:35.930 wipers, grass seeds, weed and feed for lawn, 1101 01:00:36.350 --> 01:00:40.210 flowers, landscaping, garden equipment, power equipment, 1102 01:00:40.310 --> 01:00:43.930 circular saws, nailers, garden hose, storage 1103 01:00:43.970 --> 01:00:47.530 sheds to retain and house equipment, et cetera. 1104 01:00:48.470 --> 01:00:52.390 Property tax on single-family homes will be greater value to the city 1105 01:00:52.430 --> 01:00:56.040 and local businesses. Property value remain higher without 1106 01:00:56.070 --> 01:00:59.870 neighborhood apartments. Build a single-family residential home 1107 01:01:00.290 --> 01:01:03.630 exactly what area is currently zoned." Thank you. 1108 01:01:05.090 --> 01:01:07.770 Thanks, Madam Secretary. 1109 01:01:07.810 --> 01:01:08.140 Thank you 1110 01:01:09.538 --> 01:01:12.668 This is a public hearing. Anyone who would like to come up and speak on this item, 1111 01:01:12.738 --> 01:01:15.138 you'll have state your name and address for the record, and you'll have three 1112 01:01:15.198 --> 01:01:15.878 minutes to speak. 1113 01:01:20.338 --> 01:01:24.318 Now, if you have a lot of people saying the same thing, maybe you 1114 01:01:24.338 --> 01:01:27.398 could designate one person to come up and say. 1115 01:01:27.918 --> 01:01:30.538 My name is Kimberly Shaloo. I live at 1116 01:01:30.698 --> 01:01:33.118 26142 Falmouth Drive. 1117 01:01:34.018 --> 01:01:37.178 My family has owned the home since it was built, 1118 01:01:37.778 --> 01:01:40.058 so I've been there forever. 1119 01:01:41.997 --> 01:01:44.078 I don't know what letter they're talking about. 1120 01:01:44.178 --> 01:01:47.898 I don't know if it just went out to a few homes right 1121 01:01:47.978 --> 01:01:51.618 on Berg. I'm right there. Never received anything. 1122 01:01:51.678 --> 01:01:55.158 The only thing I saw was a big sign about rezoning. 1123 01:01:55.958 --> 01:01:59.658 Another problem with that, talking to neighbors, I walk my neighborhood 1124 01:02:00.118 --> 01:02:04.068 twice a day with my dogs. One of the homes on one side of it had no idea 1125 01:02:04.278 --> 01:02:07.758 what that sign even meant. He's not here today. 1126 01:02:08.978 --> 01:02:12.738 But he had thought they wanted to put two homes because it is a 1127 01:02:12.758 --> 01:02:16.478 bigger property, maybe split it. So just so you do know that. 1128 01:02:16.538 --> 01:02:20.388 A lot of people in the neighborhood were very confused by the sign that was 1129 01:02:20.418 --> 01:02:20.858 put up. 1130 01:02:22.278 --> 01:02:24.938 I wrote something down because I'm horrible at public speaking. 1131 01:02:26.658 --> 01:02:26.998 You're fine. 1132 01:02:27.038 --> 01:02:30.738 I'm opposed to the proposal to replace a single-family home with a 1133 01:02:30.808 --> 01:02:33.658 multifamily apartment development within our subdivision. 1134 01:02:34.338 --> 01:02:38.278 One of the defining characters of our neighborhood is its larger 1135 01:02:38.338 --> 01:02:42.298 lot sizes, spacious layout, and single-family residential 1136 01:02:42.398 --> 01:02:45.978 character. The larger lots and greater distance between 1137 01:02:46.058 --> 01:02:49.698 homes are among the reasons many residents choose to live in this 1138 01:02:49.758 --> 01:02:53.738 subdivision. The proposed apartment development would not 1139 01:02:53.778 --> 01:02:57.718 be consistent with the existing aesthetics and character of 1140 01:02:57.778 --> 01:03:01.478 the neighborhood. Placing a multifamily apartment 1141 01:03:01.518 --> 01:03:05.298 building between two established single-family 1142 01:03:05.438 --> 01:03:09.178 homes would significantly alter the appearance and 1143 01:03:09.318 --> 01:03:10.698 feel of our community. 1144 01:03:11.518 --> 01:03:15.358 Although I do not live immediately adjacent to the proposed 1145 01:03:15.458 --> 01:03:15.758 site, 1146 01:03:16.678 --> 01:03:19.577 I understand the concerns of the neighboring homeowners. 1147 01:03:20.098 --> 01:03:23.508 If my property were located directly next to the development, 1148 01:03:24.118 --> 01:03:24.978 I would have serious 1149 01:03:26.518 --> 01:03:30.118 concerns regarding privacy, increased traffic, 1150 01:03:30.578 --> 01:03:33.898 neighborhood character, and potential impacts on property 1151 01:03:33.938 --> 01:03:37.218 values. Traffic is already a 1152 01:03:37.278 --> 01:03:40.858 significant issue in the area. The nearby school generates 1153 01:03:40.878 --> 01:03:44.458 substantial congestion during morning drop-off and afternoon pickup 1154 01:03:44.518 --> 01:03:48.438 times. School events create additional traffic and 1155 01:03:48.478 --> 01:03:52.318 parking problems, at times making it difficult for residents to 1156 01:03:52.398 --> 01:03:54.458 access their own streets. 1157 01:03:55.898 --> 01:03:59.558 On multiple occasions, traffic conditions have become severe enough that 1158 01:03:59.678 --> 01:04:03.298 law enforcement has been called to assist with traffic control. 1159 01:04:04.338 --> 01:04:08.098 We already have senior housing apartments located across the 1160 01:04:08.158 --> 01:04:11.958 street from the proposed site. Additionally, the school 1161 01:04:12.038 --> 01:04:14.398 district or the school, MFTA Institute- 1162 01:04:14.418 --> 01:04:15.478 Your time is almost up, ma'am 1163 01:04:15.538 --> 01:04:19.348 ... Oh, sorry, okay, owns a nearby property that's leased to a utility 1164 01:04:20.338 --> 01:04:23.868 company. Unfortunately, that property has not been well-maintained. 1165 01:04:24.218 --> 01:04:26.498 It has negative appearances on the area. 1166 01:04:27.058 --> 01:04:30.828 If additional multifamily is deemed necessary, using that 1167 01:04:30.998 --> 01:04:32.468 land would be smart, 1168 01:04:33.418 --> 01:04:35.738 not where they want to place it. Sorry, am I up? 1169 01:04:36.338 --> 01:04:36.518 Yes. 1170 01:04:37.298 --> 01:04:37.448 Okay. Thank you. 1171 01:04:37.448 --> 01:04:37.838 Thank you. 1172 01:04:44.238 --> 01:04:46.238 Is there anyone from the public who'd like to speak on this item? 1173 01:04:48.328 --> 01:04:48.958 I think 1174 01:04:48.978 --> 01:04:52.678 everybody has the 1175 01:04:52.688 --> 01:04:54.147 same comment. They all say the same thing. 1176 01:04:54.147 --> 01:04:54.538 Good evening. 1177 01:04:54.758 --> 01:04:57.948 Excuse me one second. People in the audience, can you hold the 1178 01:04:58.558 --> 01:04:59.457 conversation down? 1179 01:05:00.258 --> 01:05:04.118 If you want to come up and speak, you'll have your turn to come up and speak, 1180 01:05:04.218 --> 01:05:08.198 but we don't want any disruptions while the speakers are speaking. 1181 01:05:08.898 --> 01:05:11.478 Thank you. Go ahead, sir. Your name and address for the record. 1182 01:05:11.598 --> 01:05:13.558 All right. Thank you. My name is PJ Keith. 1183 01:05:13.568 --> 01:05:17.298 I live at 11131 Jim Place. My property 1184 01:05:17.318 --> 01:05:21.018 backs up to the parking lot of the, I guess, MFTA Institute. 1185 01:05:22.318 --> 01:05:24.538 This is concerning to a lot of people in our neighborhood. 1186 01:05:24.678 --> 01:05:28.457 We live in a very quiet area that's off the beaten 1187 01:05:28.738 --> 01:05:32.578 path of Warren. It's not easy to get to, and a lot of people don't really 1188 01:05:32.618 --> 01:05:36.318 know the ins and outs of where we are, down Berg, down by us. 1189 01:05:38.978 --> 01:05:42.847 Recently, they have put up LED lights in the parking lot already that 1190 01:05:42.958 --> 01:05:44.878 have been blinding in our windows. 1191 01:05:44.918 --> 01:05:48.788 If your house backs up to that property, you know exactly what I'm 1192 01:05:48.818 --> 01:05:52.708 talking about. I know that there is at least 16 other 1193 01:05:52.738 --> 01:05:56.218 parcels of land in Macomb County that have over 2.5 1194 01:05:56.378 --> 01:05:59.178 acres available that can be used for this, 1195 01:05:59.638 --> 01:06:03.258 that would not have to be rezoned from a single-family 1196 01:06:03.358 --> 01:06:07.038 residential unit to a multifamily concourse. 1197 01:06:07.898 --> 01:06:11.888 Everything that they say right now about giving letters and letting people know, 1198 01:06:11.958 --> 01:06:14.278 it's all lies. They have not let people know. 1199 01:06:14.288 --> 01:06:17.898 It was word of mouth because neighbors talk to each other, and we actually found 1200 01:06:17.938 --> 01:06:21.078 out because of what maybe one person down the block 1201 01:06:21.118 --> 01:06:24.978 got. I don't know about you, but I won't be able 1202 01:06:25.018 --> 01:06:28.878 to park my electric car in their parking lot and use that one or two 1203 01:06:28.938 --> 01:06:31.097 EV stations that they promised us. 1204 01:06:31.238 --> 01:06:34.918 I don't see how that's any benefit to our community, our city, our 1205 01:06:35.038 --> 01:06:38.938 area. And just looking at the layout of that land where they want to 1206 01:06:38.998 --> 01:06:42.878 take away from that parking lot, I know that there are times at the MFTA Institute 1207 01:06:42.918 --> 01:06:46.908 that they have some events that take up the entire parking lot, and then 1208 01:06:46.938 --> 01:06:49.338 it actually spills over into our neighborhoods. 1209 01:06:50.258 --> 01:06:53.788 So you're going to take away half of that parking lot, and now every time that 1210 01:06:53.838 --> 01:06:56.518 these cars park there, where are they going to go? 1211 01:06:56.878 --> 01:07:00.518 They're going to go in our neighborhoods because obviously they can't use the... 1212 01:07:00.538 --> 01:07:04.178 What I didn't even know was the Consumer Energy lot is actually owned by them. 1213 01:07:04.778 --> 01:07:07.198 Why that has not been discussed, that's a mystery to me. 1214 01:07:08.178 --> 01:07:11.458 I think that should really maybe take this back a little bit and 1215 01:07:11.518 --> 01:07:15.046 figureHow they can utilize that land that has direct 1216 01:07:15.166 --> 01:07:18.906 access to 11 Mile and not on Berg Road because they say the 1217 01:07:18.946 --> 01:07:22.206 majority of traffic will go to 11 Mile, they're going north of there. 1218 01:07:22.926 --> 01:07:26.226 Okay, great. 51% of the people will go north of there. 1219 01:07:26.946 --> 01:07:29.266 The other 49% of the people can go south. 1220 01:07:29.846 --> 01:07:33.036 If they're going to say it's 36 plus apartments, 1221 01:07:33.706 --> 01:07:37.046 let's just say there's two people in each apartment. That's 72 people in there. 1222 01:07:37.106 --> 01:07:38.966 Let's say every single one of them have cars. 1223 01:07:39.706 --> 01:07:43.546 That's a lot more traffic in that same neighborhood that you are already concerned 1224 01:07:43.586 --> 01:07:46.346 with the amount of traffic from the school or the institute. 1225 01:07:46.946 --> 01:07:50.686 People have children. We have to now be more careful because of more crazy 1226 01:07:50.706 --> 01:07:54.656 drivers who do not respect our neighborhood, do not respect the speed limits, 1227 01:07:55.426 --> 01:07:57.846 and I just don't think they respect the community at all. 1228 01:07:58.386 --> 01:08:00.006 So that's all I got to say. 1229 01:08:00.746 --> 01:08:01.226 Thank you, sir. 1230 01:08:06.066 --> 01:08:11.306 Anyone 1231 01:08:11.666 --> 01:08:12.586 else like to come up and speak? 1232 01:08:14.946 --> 01:08:16.547 State your name and address for the record, please. 1233 01:08:17.346 --> 01:08:20.566 My name is Debbie Oliver. I live on Jim Place. 1234 01:08:21.766 --> 01:08:25.606 I thank you for giving me a voice, but I'm hoping we 1235 01:08:25.826 --> 01:08:29.706 get more of a vote because this affects a lot of 1236 01:08:30.566 --> 01:08:32.706 our area, Bougainvillea Gardens. 1237 01:08:33.606 --> 01:08:37.266 From what we have just received this 1238 01:08:37.346 --> 01:08:40.726 notice just before Christmas, and not all the 1239 01:08:40.766 --> 01:08:42.967 neighbors had gotten this at all. 1240 01:08:44.026 --> 01:08:47.606 We went around and a lot of people didn't even know what was going on. 1241 01:08:47.666 --> 01:08:50.866 We attended the first meeting, come to find out they're building a 1242 01:08:50.906 --> 01:08:54.507 two-story condo apartment complex 1243 01:08:54.587 --> 01:08:56.066 52 feet from my 1244 01:08:56.887 --> 01:08:57.986 backyard fence. 1245 01:08:58.826 --> 01:09:02.626 I'm looking at it as a lot of the other neighbors with our 1246 01:09:02.706 --> 01:09:06.007 privacy is gone. Our lights are going to be out. 1247 01:09:06.047 --> 01:09:09.766 Where's our darkness? Where is our life in our yard? 1248 01:09:10.087 --> 01:09:12.686 We're going to have people looking down into our yard. 1249 01:09:13.146 --> 01:09:16.846 We have trees there. We've been told that that's been some type of 1250 01:09:16.887 --> 01:09:20.797 privacy for what the religious institute over there is, 1251 01:09:20.846 --> 01:09:21.686 and that's fine. 1252 01:09:22.547 --> 01:09:25.726 But we don't see it. They don't see our backyards. We're fine. 1253 01:09:25.906 --> 01:09:29.695 Now we hear that they're going to be tearing all these trees down, and we are 1254 01:09:29.726 --> 01:09:33.706 now going to be visible with all this and having a two-story 1255 01:09:34.967 --> 01:09:36.166 complex be put up. 1256 01:09:37.166 --> 01:09:38.206 We also have, 1257 01:09:39.226 --> 01:09:41.626 if you're looking at privacy, besides that, we're 1258 01:09:42.606 --> 01:09:44.646 happy our house values have been going up. 1259 01:09:45.246 --> 01:09:48.446 Our taxes have been going up. But now, what is happening? 1260 01:09:48.666 --> 01:09:51.927 We are now getting a two-story apartment. 1261 01:09:52.007 --> 01:09:55.886 Who will buy our home? Who wants that in their backyard? 1262 01:09:56.306 --> 01:09:59.706 I wouldn't. I've lived there for over 30 years, and I look 1263 01:10:00.226 --> 01:10:03.506 around and people that have lived there from when it began 1264 01:10:04.106 --> 01:10:07.226 are very-- they're older. They can't get out to come fight for this. 1265 01:10:07.866 --> 01:10:11.706 I would love to be more of a voice, and I'm hoping more people 1266 01:10:11.746 --> 01:10:15.106 will show up, but not everybody knew about it. 1267 01:10:15.686 --> 01:10:18.106 That was the whole thing. Not everybody's on these 1268 01:10:19.866 --> 01:10:23.726 Facebooks where it's at, or these Nextdoor things, or 1269 01:10:23.786 --> 01:10:26.226 they don't understand. Our neighborhood 1270 01:10:27.906 --> 01:10:30.746 is going to lose all our privacy. We're going to lose 1271 01:10:31.626 --> 01:10:32.796 a lot of 1272 01:10:33.766 --> 01:10:37.206 our lights. What happened when all the light was shaded, the lights. 1273 01:10:37.406 --> 01:10:39.226 We're going to hear noise. We're going to have traffic. 1274 01:10:39.286 --> 01:10:43.086 We got one way, Berg, only one way. You have a school 1275 01:10:43.186 --> 01:10:45.926 that it's right in front with children. Okay. 1276 01:10:46.786 --> 01:10:49.186 Something just doesn't sound like it's right here. 1277 01:10:49.766 --> 01:10:52.246 It wasn't taken into too much consideration. 1278 01:10:52.666 --> 01:10:56.576 We are Warren residents, and we were happy to be in our neighborhood for as 1279 01:10:56.646 --> 01:11:00.026 long as we are, but take into consideration the 1280 01:11:00.066 --> 01:11:04.016 residents that are around that area that now what are we 1281 01:11:04.026 --> 01:11:04.946 going to be looking at? 1282 01:11:06.766 --> 01:11:09.726 I guess it all goes down to 1283 01:11:10.466 --> 01:11:14.106 also is our taxes going up? It's a religious institute property. 1284 01:11:15.406 --> 01:11:18.966 There is a facility across the street that is being rented by them. 1285 01:11:19.086 --> 01:11:20.246 If they are putting it up- 1286 01:11:20.646 --> 01:11:21.646 Your time's almost up, ma'am 1287 01:11:21.966 --> 01:11:24.846 ... they're over in November. Their lease. 1288 01:11:25.126 --> 01:11:26.146 Go over there and build it. 1289 01:11:27.026 --> 01:11:30.385 I guess that would be it. I think my time is up. 1290 01:11:30.546 --> 01:11:30.646 Thank- 1291 01:11:30.676 --> 01:11:31.536 But I had a voice. Thank you. 1292 01:11:31.536 --> 01:11:32.986 Thank you. 1293 01:11:39.366 --> 01:11:39.746 Good evening. 1294 01:11:39.846 --> 01:11:40.086 Hi. 1295 01:11:40.126 --> 01:11:41.606 Please state your name and address for the record. 1296 01:11:42.006 --> 01:11:45.746 My name is Francine. I live at 26345 Falmouth 1297 01:11:45.826 --> 01:11:46.286 Drive. 1298 01:11:47.286 --> 01:11:47.566 I 1299 01:11:48.666 --> 01:11:52.266 happened to find out about this rezoning when I was walking my 1300 01:11:52.306 --> 01:11:55.566 dog and seeing a big old sign there that's saying "rezone." 1301 01:11:56.366 --> 01:12:00.016 Another thing is that we have too much traffic coming from the 1302 01:12:00.106 --> 01:12:00.526 school, 1303 01:12:01.446 --> 01:12:04.426 Consumer Energy. There's the apartment. 1304 01:12:04.846 --> 01:12:08.766 It's only two ways for the peoples that living on Falmouth 1305 01:12:08.866 --> 01:12:12.816 Drive to go, either Carrier to Berg or the other 1306 01:12:12.946 --> 01:12:16.626 street, Locum to Berg. So I'm just 1307 01:12:16.686 --> 01:12:17.176 wondering, 1308 01:12:18.006 --> 01:12:19.106 why would they-- I 1309 01:12:20.386 --> 01:12:22.046 really don't want this to happen. 1310 01:12:22.946 --> 01:12:26.896 Actually, if they want to do something, put a single home there. 1311 01:12:26.896 --> 01:12:30.016 I'll go for the single home, but multiple families? 1312 01:12:30.466 --> 01:12:33.946 It's already enough traffic that way anyway. 1313 01:12:34.126 --> 01:12:37.966 I almost had an accident with peoples coming from the school, driving 1314 01:12:38.006 --> 01:12:41.746 crazy. Then they have carnivals, and what do they 1315 01:12:41.786 --> 01:12:45.626 do? They park all around in our neighborhood. 1316 01:12:45.726 --> 01:12:47.226 I had to call the police 1317 01:12:48.026 --> 01:12:51.746 one time for the carnival because they had blocked my driveway. 1318 01:12:52.986 --> 01:12:56.966 So when you're trying to go down the street, you can't get down the 1319 01:12:57.026 --> 01:12:59.186 street because cars are parked on both sides. 1320 01:12:59.226 --> 01:13:02.746 What you have to do, you just sitting there waiting for that other person to leave 1321 01:13:02.826 --> 01:13:06.566 or move back, or either you move forward, or either you 1322 01:13:06.666 --> 01:13:08.886 back into somebody else's vehicle. 1323 01:13:09.546 --> 01:13:09.906 So 1324 01:13:11.586 --> 01:13:14.266 really, if they want to do anything, 1325 01:13:15.346 --> 01:13:19.282 put a single family home therenot a 1326 01:13:19.382 --> 01:13:23.002 condo or multiple family. We already have senior citizen 1327 01:13:23.042 --> 01:13:23.982 apartments there. 1328 01:13:24.962 --> 01:13:28.742 There's Consumer Energy there. That trust is coming now, and I 1329 01:13:28.762 --> 01:13:30.822 almost had the ask them with them one day. 1330 01:13:31.622 --> 01:13:35.162 So I don't propose this. Thank 1331 01:13:35.202 --> 01:13:35.622 you. 1332 01:13:35.722 --> 01:13:36.082 Thank you, ma'am. 1333 01:13:45.562 --> 01:13:48.522 My name is George Armstead. I live at 11337 Carrier. 1334 01:13:49.622 --> 01:13:49.922 I don't 1335 01:13:51.322 --> 01:13:54.892 mind the apartments. I don't. The only thing is, is 1336 01:13:54.942 --> 01:13:58.742 location, location, location. It needs to go right where 1337 01:13:58.762 --> 01:14:02.702 Consumers Energy is. That traffic from the school, the 1338 01:14:02.742 --> 01:14:06.602 senior living home, the DTE guys. We were told the DTE guys aren't even 1339 01:14:06.622 --> 01:14:10.522 supposed to go down Berg with those big trucks. They do it all day. 1340 01:14:10.552 --> 01:14:11.102 All day. 1341 01:14:11.152 --> 01:14:11.152 All day. 1342 01:14:11.182 --> 01:14:13.462 The street, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. All day. 1343 01:14:13.542 --> 01:14:14.962 Nobody's watching Consumers Energy. 1344 01:14:15.502 --> 01:14:19.452 So my thing is, if you want to put the apartments, I have no problem with 1345 01:14:19.862 --> 01:14:23.442 it. But put it right where the Consumers Energy guys are, right there by the 1346 01:14:23.462 --> 01:14:27.182 hotels, and that way they have access right on 11 Mile, 1347 01:14:27.482 --> 01:14:27.902 Hoover, 1348 01:14:28.702 --> 01:14:31.802 the freeway, everything. But to come down Berg, that's 1349 01:14:31.942 --> 01:14:35.622 too much. That's too much. So I totally disagree with it. 1350 01:14:36.282 --> 01:14:36.542 Thank you. 1351 01:14:36.802 --> 01:14:37.262 Thank you, sir. 1352 01:14:43.962 --> 01:14:47.842 Hi, my name is Diana Schipaniuk. I live at 26442 Richard 1353 01:14:47.862 --> 01:14:51.562 Drive. I have to agree with PJ, one of my neighbors. 1354 01:14:52.302 --> 01:14:56.162 My house backs up to that parking lot, and those 1355 01:14:56.202 --> 01:14:59.952 big bright lights that they already have in the lot that they don't turn off all 1356 01:14:59.952 --> 01:15:03.682 night long. I had to buy darkening curtains for my bedroom 1357 01:15:03.722 --> 01:15:07.342 because I couldn't sleep at night because the lights were all on there. 1358 01:15:07.402 --> 01:15:11.242 And we're opposed to this. It's going to go right 52 feet from our 1359 01:15:11.562 --> 01:15:14.442 fence. The fence is already falling down. 1360 01:15:14.482 --> 01:15:17.982 The church that was there never did anything with the fence. 1361 01:15:18.262 --> 01:15:20.222 Now the school never did anything with the fence. 1362 01:15:20.782 --> 01:15:21.602 The trees are all 1363 01:15:22.542 --> 01:15:24.842 there for our privacy, which we like. 1364 01:15:25.502 --> 01:15:29.062 And we're opposed to this, and I don't 1365 01:15:29.382 --> 01:15:32.522 want it to be in our neighborhood, especially two stories. 1366 01:15:33.102 --> 01:15:33.622 Come on now. 1367 01:15:34.582 --> 01:15:38.382 And like the other lady said, you can put two single 1368 01:15:38.402 --> 01:15:39.902 houses. What's wrong with that? 1369 01:15:40.882 --> 01:15:44.782 And the DTE, that's a 1370 01:15:44.862 --> 01:15:45.202 dump. 1371 01:15:46.002 --> 01:15:49.902 When you walk by, there's garbage everywhere in the parking lot. 1372 01:15:50.582 --> 01:15:53.582 I take walks around that circle all the time. There's garbage. 1373 01:15:54.222 --> 01:15:57.722 I'd like to go over there and clean it up sometimes, but I can't do 1374 01:15:57.782 --> 01:16:00.722 it. But the city doesn't get on them. 1375 01:16:01.762 --> 01:16:03.962 It's just a big dump area. 1376 01:16:05.122 --> 01:16:06.362 And that's all I have to say. Thank you. 1377 01:16:06.562 --> 01:16:07.682 Thank you, ma'am. 1378 01:16:16.742 --> 01:16:20.612 Hello, my name's Ernie Kalikat. I live on Berg Road, about 600, 1379 01:16:20.842 --> 01:16:24.382 700 feet south of where they propose to put this project. 1380 01:16:26.822 --> 01:16:29.742 The city admittedly said they did minimal traffic studies. 1381 01:16:30.222 --> 01:16:33.232 Well, I would like to know why is that? Because it's a major issue. 1382 01:16:34.122 --> 01:16:38.112 When Consumers power moved their municipal yard into end of our street, 1383 01:16:38.682 --> 01:16:41.322 I called the city about that, talked to a police officer. 1384 01:16:41.832 --> 01:16:44.922 He said he would do an investigation. Never called me back. 1385 01:16:45.282 --> 01:16:48.822 I won't mention his name. I called again. Never called me back. 1386 01:16:49.182 --> 01:16:52.402 At least we wanted some street signs, like no commercial traffic. 1387 01:16:52.822 --> 01:16:56.582 I've sat in my driveway on Berg Road and counted 18 Consumer 1388 01:16:56.702 --> 01:17:00.542 trucks come down our street from 4:30 to 5:00 because they close 1389 01:17:00.602 --> 01:17:04.502 up at 5:00. Sometimes we'll wait for seven or eight trucks to go by just to get 1390 01:17:04.542 --> 01:17:08.502 out of our driveway. So they should have done some major traffic investigation 1391 01:17:08.542 --> 01:17:12.102 on our street. And we also, as I mentioned, we have Stillwell Manor there, 1392 01:17:12.542 --> 01:17:16.522 and we have the Coach Manor there, and any of them park on our 1393 01:17:16.602 --> 01:17:20.522 street, so they block half the partial street off, and then we have the school. 1394 01:17:21.282 --> 01:17:25.102 So I'm just letting you know that the majority of people in this room, I'm speaking 1395 01:17:25.142 --> 01:17:28.871 for them, are opposed to this. We don't need any more traffic or any 1396 01:17:28.871 --> 01:17:31.362 more congestion on the end of our street. 1397 01:17:31.922 --> 01:17:34.322 Also, I know you're not facility engineers. 1398 01:17:34.382 --> 01:17:36.302 Where's our ventilation in this room? 1399 01:17:38.522 --> 01:17:41.082 The only time we feel it, I think, is when somebody opens a door. 1400 01:17:41.802 --> 01:17:45.382 So has anybody called on this to get a facility manager here or a worker? 1401 01:17:45.662 --> 01:17:49.292 Get us some ventilation in here. I know that's aside from the hearing, 1402 01:17:49.802 --> 01:17:52.342 but I'm opposed to this. We don't need more traffic. 1403 01:17:52.882 --> 01:17:56.422 It's bad enough now, and I'm still waiting for the police department to get back 1404 01:17:56.462 --> 01:18:00.302 with me because when they come back at 5:00, they come up our street. 1405 01:18:00.802 --> 01:18:04.762 Like I said, I counted 18 trucks just sitting here in my driveway from 4:30 to 1406 01:18:05.102 --> 01:18:08.782 5:00 and some days we'll wait for seven, eight cars to go by, truck, 1407 01:18:08.842 --> 01:18:10.812 vehicles, just to get out of our driveway. 1408 01:18:11.252 --> 01:18:13.762 And now we want to have more traffic down there? Okay. 1409 01:18:13.862 --> 01:18:17.042 Well, thank you, and I respectfully hope that you take this 1410 01:18:18.602 --> 01:18:21.662 under consideration, what we have to say here today. Thank you. Thank you, sir. 1411 01:18:23.562 --> 01:18:23.802 Sir. 1412 01:18:24.582 --> 01:18:25.212 Sir. Sir. 1413 01:18:25.242 --> 01:18:25.642 Sir. 1414 01:18:26.262 --> 01:18:28.302 Sir. Can you come back up a minute, sir? 1415 01:18:29.422 --> 01:18:30.242 Can you come back up a minute? 1416 01:18:30.462 --> 01:18:32.302 One second. Let me turn- 1417 01:18:32.362 --> 01:18:33.322 They need you. 1418 01:18:34.002 --> 01:18:34.032 Yes, sir. 1419 01:18:34.032 --> 01:18:35.522 You need to sign in. 1420 01:18:35.602 --> 01:18:36.322 Oh, okay. 1421 01:18:37.162 --> 01:18:41.482 Okay. 1422 01:18:43.332 --> 01:18:45.092 Can you just identify yourself? 1423 01:18:45.092 --> 01:18:45.092 Sure. 1424 01:18:45.102 --> 01:18:47.922 As far as the ventilation goes, we have no control over that. 1425 01:18:48.242 --> 01:18:52.002 This is a temporary place for us while they're doing work on the auditorium. 1426 01:18:52.082 --> 01:18:52.202 So 1427 01:18:53.062 --> 01:18:55.902 you have to bear with us because we kind of understand what's going on. 1428 01:18:56.402 --> 01:18:57.422 You can open the doors. 1429 01:18:57.802 --> 01:18:59.342 Just open that side door right there. 1430 01:18:59.762 --> 01:19:01.662 Well, I don't know about all that, so... 1431 01:19:02.462 --> 01:19:05.382 But like I say, this is just a temporary space for us until they get the auditorium 1432 01:19:05.462 --> 01:19:05.882 done, so 1433 01:19:07.462 --> 01:19:08.522 we'll continue. Good evening, sir. 1434 01:19:09.742 --> 01:19:11.462 Hello, my name is Philip Brumley, 1435 01:19:12.522 --> 01:19:14.722 26520 Berg Road. 1436 01:19:16.542 --> 01:19:20.062 Since we're on the topic, I think you guys could do something about your acoustics 1437 01:19:20.082 --> 01:19:20.742 in here, too. 1438 01:19:21.642 --> 01:19:24.622 It's very difficult to hear back there. I had to move up. 1439 01:19:24.802 --> 01:19:26.938 Of course, I got bad hearing, but... 1440 01:19:26.958 --> 01:19:28.878 something you guys could probably work on as well. 1441 01:19:31.038 --> 01:19:34.298 My parcel is directly in front of this 1442 01:19:34.358 --> 01:19:36.998 proposed condo, 1443 01:19:38.118 --> 01:19:39.808 so I'm not very happy with 1444 01:19:40.778 --> 01:19:44.498 the proposal. I'm going to have two driveways in front of me 1445 01:19:44.558 --> 01:19:45.378 coming and going 1446 01:19:47.418 --> 01:19:50.238 with this institute. I can't convey enough. 1447 01:19:50.918 --> 01:19:53.338 You obviously don't live on Berg Road. 1448 01:19:54.458 --> 01:19:57.998 I can't convey enough just how bad the traffic is on Berg Road 1449 01:19:58.118 --> 01:19:58.738 already. 1450 01:19:59.648 --> 01:20:03.418 You have the Stillwell Manor, and you have the Joseph Coach Manor 1451 01:20:03.458 --> 01:20:07.158 there, and I've been here since 1968. I got 58 years here. 1452 01:20:07.918 --> 01:20:09.978 I've seen it all come and go here, but this 1453 01:20:11.638 --> 01:20:15.518 building with the Joseph Coach and the Stillwell Manor, they got 364 1454 01:20:15.658 --> 01:20:19.488 units there. That is a revolving door constantly of 1455 01:20:19.518 --> 01:20:22.558 people coming and going out of that complex. 1456 01:20:22.618 --> 01:20:25.478 Now, you've got Berg Road, and you've got Lorraine. 1457 01:20:25.838 --> 01:20:29.558 Berg Road is a heavily trafficked-- It's the only street going north and south, 1458 01:20:30.178 --> 01:20:33.578 and you got Carrier and Logging out. They're all dumping out onto Berg Road. 1459 01:20:33.878 --> 01:20:37.558 Not to mention just the traffic that we get from Berg Road in itself, 1460 01:20:37.918 --> 01:20:39.858 where people don't even live here. 1461 01:20:39.918 --> 01:20:43.038 It's a hazard when it comes to pulling into your 1462 01:20:43.118 --> 01:20:46.978 driveway on Berg Road. People want to blow past 1463 01:20:47.018 --> 01:20:50.798 you. There's parking. In front of the complex itself, in Joseph 1464 01:20:50.858 --> 01:20:53.458 Coach Manor, it's choked off with cars 1465 01:20:54.278 --> 01:20:56.778 90, 100% of the time, I believe. 1466 01:20:57.008 --> 01:20:57.008 Yeah. 1467 01:20:57.058 --> 01:21:00.898 It's 100% of the time, which means you don't have three 1468 01:21:00.958 --> 01:21:04.838 lanes there, and it's not that it's a three lane, but it's choked off to two. 1469 01:21:05.598 --> 01:21:09.548 Okay? Two cars passing, and it's slowly at that point because it's closed 1470 01:21:09.658 --> 01:21:13.198 off. It's choked off. Now, on top of that, 1471 01:21:13.738 --> 01:21:16.478 you got the MIFTA Institute in itself. 1472 01:21:16.508 --> 01:21:20.398 Now, I got nothing against the MIFTA Institute, but let's just look at the numbers. 1473 01:21:21.558 --> 01:21:24.118 Three hundred thousand total attendees, 1474 01:21:25.458 --> 01:21:28.778 120 cities, 456 completed 1475 01:21:28.838 --> 01:21:31.378 events that they hold, 1476 01:21:32.298 --> 01:21:35.498 8,000 students. This is a major 1477 01:21:35.558 --> 01:21:36.517 corporation, 1478 01:21:37.418 --> 01:21:40.558 and I'm only going to suggest that maybe they're a little too 1479 01:21:40.578 --> 01:21:41.918 big for us, 1480 01:21:43.018 --> 01:21:46.928 this area. Now, this parking lot that they talk about, that it's 1481 01:21:46.978 --> 01:21:49.038 a vacant parking lot and that nobody uses it. 1482 01:21:49.738 --> 01:21:53.638 If that were the case, why are we getting choked off on the 1483 01:21:53.678 --> 01:21:55.318 side streets when they hold an event? 1484 01:21:56.328 --> 01:21:56.358 Mm-hmm. 1485 01:21:56.818 --> 01:21:58.298 Explain to me why that's happening. 1486 01:21:58.978 --> 01:22:02.398 Because every time they do hold an event, we got problems. 1487 01:22:03.198 --> 01:22:05.938 And so this is an issue that I'd like to see somebody address. 1488 01:22:06.618 --> 01:22:09.098 On top of that, you've heard it numerous times here. 1489 01:22:09.178 --> 01:22:12.638 They own the property at 26806 1490 01:22:13.058 --> 01:22:13.448 Berg Road. 1491 01:22:13.448 --> 01:22:14.238 Your time's up, sir. 1492 01:22:14.478 --> 01:22:14.758 What's that? 1493 01:22:14.898 --> 01:22:15.518 Your time's up. 1494 01:22:16.078 --> 01:22:17.038 Oh, I can't be up. 1495 01:22:17.298 --> 01:22:17.598 You're up. 1496 01:22:19.578 --> 01:22:19.858 All right. 1497 01:22:19.978 --> 01:22:20.758 You only get three minutes. 1498 01:22:20.778 --> 01:22:24.678 The closing thing. The kids. If you take away this thing-- Oh, you 1499 01:22:24.738 --> 01:22:25.778 took the mic away, too. 1500 01:22:27.548 --> 01:22:28.278 Let him talk. 1501 01:22:29.118 --> 01:22:30.478 Can I talk for somebody else? 1502 01:22:31.878 --> 01:22:31.888 Yeah. 1503 01:22:31.888 --> 01:22:33.098 You already got two chance. 1504 01:22:34.598 --> 01:22:37.158 Can't. 1505 01:22:38.278 --> 01:22:38.878 Ridiculous. 1506 01:22:40.518 --> 01:22:40.858 Hi, my- 1507 01:22:40.918 --> 01:22:41.278 Good evening. 1508 01:22:41.618 --> 01:22:42.298 Can you hear me on this? 1509 01:22:43.638 --> 01:22:44.538 Pull it down to you, ma'am. 1510 01:22:45.298 --> 01:22:45.328 Can you hear- 1511 01:22:45.328 --> 01:22:45.818 Bring it down. 1512 01:22:47.158 --> 01:22:47.698 Can you hear me right now? 1513 01:22:47.778 --> 01:22:48.087 Try it now. 1514 01:22:48.258 --> 01:22:50.908 Okay. My name is Heather Hoffert. I live at 26841- 1515 01:22:50.938 --> 01:22:53.098 You may have to talk a little bit louder. 1516 01:22:53.108 --> 01:22:53.138 Speaker. 1517 01:22:53.158 --> 01:22:54.048 You gotta talk a little bit louder. 1518 01:22:54.298 --> 01:22:55.558 26841 Richard. 1519 01:22:56.918 --> 01:23:00.898 I am opposed to this because I live right there on the corner, and to 1520 01:23:01.058 --> 01:23:03.988 say that the traffic is constantly going to go 1521 01:23:05.498 --> 01:23:09.208 east on 11 Mile is false because the amount of people that 1522 01:23:09.238 --> 01:23:12.578 come and drive backwards because they do not want to go do all the way around the 1523 01:23:12.638 --> 01:23:16.258 light and loop through. I have small children. We play in our front yard. 1524 01:23:17.658 --> 01:23:19.918 And we go for walks all the time and everything. 1525 01:23:20.438 --> 01:23:23.798 They go backwards out of that drive-through, out of their 1526 01:23:24.278 --> 01:23:28.198 driveway, and they come down the service drive the wrong way to go across the 1527 01:23:28.418 --> 01:23:32.408 closer bridge to get out of there without taking 1528 01:23:32.438 --> 01:23:33.618 their time to get all the way around. 1529 01:23:34.148 --> 01:23:36.738 And then like everybody else is saying, every time there is an event, 1530 01:23:38.338 --> 01:23:41.118 I can't have people at my house. There is no parking on our street. 1531 01:23:41.478 --> 01:23:45.398 They jam-pack and park all the way-- There's like three spots that you can fit 1532 01:23:45.418 --> 01:23:48.888 in front of my house. They will take all of those, and then all of the neighbors. 1533 01:23:49.778 --> 01:23:52.798 One of my neighbors across the street, they park in front of their household. 1534 01:23:53.108 --> 01:23:56.538 They cannot use any of this. My teenage daughter is supposed to park out in front 1535 01:23:56.558 --> 01:24:00.038 of my house. She cannot do that when there's an event. There is nowhere to go. 1536 01:24:00.078 --> 01:24:03.868 And then there is so much traffic that I cannot get to and from my own home 1537 01:24:03.978 --> 01:24:07.938 sometimes. You have to sit back and wait for all the traffic to 1538 01:24:07.958 --> 01:24:10.478 come through so that you can even get to your own home. 1539 01:24:13.958 --> 01:24:14.738 That is all. Thank you. 1540 01:24:15.018 --> 01:24:15.477 Thank you, ma'am. 1541 01:24:28.138 --> 01:24:29.998 Are we rolling? Go with it. 1542 01:24:30.198 --> 01:24:34.638 Good 1543 01:24:34.718 --> 01:24:34.998 evening. 1544 01:24:35.338 --> 01:24:35.598 Hello. 1545 01:24:37.218 --> 01:24:40.438 My name is Claudia. I live at 11193 Jim Place. 1546 01:24:42.218 --> 01:24:45.158 Sorry, everyone says I talk super quiet. 1547 01:24:45.998 --> 01:24:48.538 This would be backed up right to our backyard. 1548 01:24:51.038 --> 01:24:51.278 Yeah. 1549 01:24:54.598 --> 01:24:58.418 We just moved in just over a year ago, right when I was pregnant with him. 1550 01:24:58.498 --> 01:24:59.917 He'll be one on Thursday. 1551 01:25:00.758 --> 01:25:04.548 And we had no knowledge that this was happening when we bought the 1552 01:25:04.598 --> 01:25:04.958 house. 1553 01:25:06.418 --> 01:25:10.038 It would just take away our privacy in our backyard with our 1554 01:25:12.118 --> 01:25:13.658 growing family. 1555 01:25:16.058 --> 01:25:16.538 And 1556 01:25:18.098 --> 01:25:20.238 when I was growing up, I had a 1557 01:25:21.458 --> 01:25:25.398 apartment complex behind us that had a eight-foot cinder block 1558 01:25:26.778 --> 01:25:30.658 wallAnd it still didn't stop the noise 1559 01:25:30.738 --> 01:25:32.368 and everything, and it's just not something that 1560 01:25:33.398 --> 01:25:34.918 I imagined when we bought our house. 1561 01:25:35.658 --> 01:25:38.928 My mother wouldn't allow us in the backyard without her back there, and that's just 1562 01:25:38.958 --> 01:25:41.318 not something I want for my son. 1563 01:25:42.598 --> 01:25:45.498 I know every situation is different, but this is just not something that we 1564 01:25:45.538 --> 01:25:47.518 imagined when we bought the house. 1565 01:25:47.598 --> 01:25:47.888 And 1566 01:25:49.038 --> 01:25:49.398 so we're 1567 01:25:50.258 --> 01:25:53.938 opposed to it for that reason and just all the 1568 01:25:53.958 --> 01:25:56.198 traffic and noise and everything that's going to be going on. 1569 01:25:58.658 --> 01:25:59.198 Thank you, ma'am. 1570 01:25:59.438 --> 01:25:59.657 Thank you. 1571 01:26:00.378 --> 01:26:00.898 Have a good evening. 1572 01:26:10.378 --> 01:26:10.738 Good evening. 1573 01:26:11.078 --> 01:26:14.818 Hi, my name is Christine. I live at 11345 Carrier Avenue. 1574 01:26:15.698 --> 01:26:17.658 And I just wanted to bring up the 1575 01:26:18.858 --> 01:26:22.398 traffic situation on Berg Road, because 1576 01:26:22.658 --> 01:26:25.938 even without this here, there's many, many times that I end up 1577 01:26:25.998 --> 01:26:29.858 turning left instead of trying to get out with all the traffic 1578 01:26:29.898 --> 01:26:33.838 from the school and try to make it on the service drive, because sometimes I'll sit 1579 01:26:33.878 --> 01:26:37.758 there for 15, 20 minutes just trying to get out 1580 01:26:37.818 --> 01:26:41.698 and get past the school. So I don't think that they did a really 1581 01:26:41.718 --> 01:26:44.458 good job estimating the traffic that's going to happen, 1582 01:26:45.438 --> 01:26:49.198 because there's other people coming out of the school also going left, and it's 1583 01:26:49.238 --> 01:26:50.438 just a real mess over there. 1584 01:26:53.778 --> 01:26:54.578 So thank you. 1585 01:26:54.818 --> 01:26:55.298 Thank you, ma'am. 1586 01:27:02.698 --> 01:27:04.008 Anyone else like to speak on this item? 1587 01:27:07.098 --> 01:27:08.658 Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission. 1588 01:27:13.478 --> 01:27:13.618 No. 1589 01:27:14.558 --> 01:27:15.038 Hello, everyone. 1590 01:27:16.158 --> 01:27:16.578 Oh, sir. 1591 01:27:17.278 --> 01:27:18.198 My name is Mir Ali. 1592 01:27:19.378 --> 01:27:19.518 But- 1593 01:27:21.458 --> 01:27:22.748 Did you close the public? 1594 01:27:22.748 --> 01:27:24.398 I closed the public hearing. It's with the commission now. 1595 01:27:24.418 --> 01:27:24.998 I thought it was a public hearing. 1596 01:27:25.018 --> 01:27:27.418 You didn't come up when I asked if anybody wanted someone to speak. 1597 01:27:27.978 --> 01:27:29.797 Yeah. It's for the Berg Road. 1598 01:27:30.698 --> 01:27:31.478 I understand that. 1599 01:27:32.038 --> 01:27:32.158 Yeah. 1600 01:27:32.278 --> 01:27:32.578 But we 1601 01:27:33.518 --> 01:27:35.558 just turned it over to commission because nobody else came up. 1602 01:27:36.558 --> 01:27:37.538 You need to come up faster then. 1603 01:27:37.958 --> 01:27:38.858 Okay. All right, thanks. 1604 01:27:39.738 --> 01:27:39.998 Thank you. 1605 01:27:41.038 --> 01:27:42.078 Hold on one second. 1606 01:27:43.678 --> 01:27:46.318 Did you hear me say come up? Anybody else wanted to speak? 1607 01:27:46.378 --> 01:27:46.538 No. 1608 01:27:46.978 --> 01:27:47.738 You didn't hear me say that? 1609 01:27:50.218 --> 01:27:50.228 No. 1610 01:27:50.278 --> 01:27:53.458 All right, I'll let you-- One last time, this is it. 1611 01:27:54.118 --> 01:27:54.618 So go ahead. 1612 01:27:54.998 --> 01:27:56.138 Okay. Hello. 1613 01:27:57.027 --> 01:28:00.438 My name is Mir Ali. I live on 1235 Monroe Drive, 1614 01:28:01.378 --> 01:28:04.647 and I am a resident of this beautiful city, 1615 01:28:05.538 --> 01:28:07.478 and I am in favor of this project 1616 01:28:08.338 --> 01:28:12.278 because I believe that this new project will bring a 1617 01:28:12.318 --> 01:28:16.218 new investment and new families, which can support 1618 01:28:16.318 --> 01:28:19.978 our local business in terms of sales, in terms of 1619 01:28:19.998 --> 01:28:23.518 workforce. I have seen many small establishment 1620 01:28:24.098 --> 01:28:26.298 who are struggling for employment of people. 1621 01:28:27.178 --> 01:28:31.058 People are not available. If these families will come to 1622 01:28:31.098 --> 01:28:34.798 my city, they'll provide workforce to the local 1623 01:28:34.878 --> 01:28:36.838 business. That's what I'm interested in. 1624 01:28:37.158 --> 01:28:40.958 And also, I've seen that we are shortage of accommodation in the 1625 01:28:40.978 --> 01:28:44.538 Warren city. Google says, and I have seen that the middle 1626 01:28:45.358 --> 01:28:48.898 level or the affordable housing is limited. 1627 01:28:48.978 --> 01:28:52.278 So I'm in favor of this project because it'll increase the 1628 01:28:52.318 --> 01:28:56.018 housing availability in my area. That's my interest. 1629 01:28:56.398 --> 01:28:56.678 Thank you. 1630 01:28:57.038 --> 01:28:57.498 Thank you, sir. 1631 01:28:58.678 --> 01:29:00.338 Now the public hearing is now closed, 1632 01:29:01.138 --> 01:29:02.698 and we'll turn this over to the commission. 1633 01:29:06.038 --> 01:29:06.338 Chair? 1634 01:29:07.078 --> 01:29:07.378 Yes. 1635 01:29:08.178 --> 01:29:08.678 Commission chair? 1636 01:29:09.538 --> 01:29:09.758 Yes. 1637 01:29:09.998 --> 01:29:10.198 Okay. 1638 01:29:11.918 --> 01:29:12.638 I make a motion 1639 01:29:13.578 --> 01:29:17.518 to deny due to I figure it'll be a detriment and harm to the 1640 01:29:17.578 --> 01:29:18.198 neighborhood. 1641 01:29:23.578 --> 01:29:25.498 I need a second. 1642 01:29:31.638 --> 01:29:33.018 Seeing none, we need another motion. 1643 01:29:34.018 --> 01:29:37.278 I make a motion to approve this according to our keeping 1644 01:29:37.878 --> 01:29:39.498 the master plan in mind. 1645 01:29:40.658 --> 01:29:40.668 No. 1646 01:29:40.698 --> 01:29:40.978 Maury. 1647 01:29:41.838 --> 01:29:43.498 Support. Commissioner Ansara. 1648 01:29:44.658 --> 01:29:47.898 That was a motion by Commissioner Maury, supported by Commissioner Ansara. 1649 01:29:49.178 --> 01:29:49.617 Discussion? 1650 01:29:50.758 --> 01:29:51.738 Mr. Chair, if I may? 1651 01:29:52.158 --> 01:29:52.518 Go ahead. 1652 01:29:53.658 --> 01:29:56.338 If we may have the petitioners come up. 1653 01:30:03.838 --> 01:30:04.138 Yes. 1654 01:30:05.798 --> 01:30:09.618 First of all, I do want to say that we in the city of Warren is the 1655 01:30:09.638 --> 01:30:12.078 third largest city in the state of Michigan. 1656 01:30:12.458 --> 01:30:16.278 So especially this middle housing that we've been 1657 01:30:16.358 --> 01:30:20.138 talking about. We don't have enough houses that we have in the city of Warren. 1658 01:30:20.668 --> 01:30:24.068 So first of all, I just want to say the fact that I'm excited to see this, excited 1659 01:30:24.078 --> 01:30:27.328 to see affordable housing. I'm interested in knowing, 1660 01:30:27.858 --> 01:30:30.558 I know you mentioned it's going to be 1661 01:30:30.698 --> 01:30:31.888 36- 1662 01:30:32.338 --> 01:30:33.218 Units. Yes 1663 01:30:33.598 --> 01:30:35.598 ... Yes. So is there any plans to... 1664 01:30:35.698 --> 01:30:37.608 Because I'm interested in the affordable housing. 1665 01:30:37.668 --> 01:30:41.438 So is there any plans on keeping in consideration what that 1666 01:30:41.498 --> 01:30:45.018 rent is going to look like? Or you have any plans in mind? 1667 01:30:45.078 --> 01:30:46.418 I'm interested in knowing more about that. 1668 01:30:46.918 --> 01:30:49.738 Yes. First of all, these are for sale condos. 1669 01:30:49.748 --> 01:30:50.428 Mm-hmm. 1670 01:30:50.788 --> 01:30:54.438 So what we had in mind was this is designed for young 1671 01:30:54.478 --> 01:30:58.058 families. These are going to be two-bedroom apartments 1672 01:31:00.018 --> 01:31:03.738 that are for sale, and yes, new families, 1673 01:31:03.838 --> 01:31:05.518 young families are going to move in here. 1674 01:31:06.198 --> 01:31:10.088 I don't have a great idea of how they're going to rent out because that's not what 1675 01:31:10.118 --> 01:31:13.898 we are planning to do. We're planning to sell these, and it's designed for young 1676 01:31:13.938 --> 01:31:15.678 families to come in. 1677 01:31:15.818 --> 01:31:19.618 Okay. Do you have how many parkings you're planning on having per- 1678 01:31:20.098 --> 01:31:20.338 Yes 1679 01:31:20.378 --> 01:31:20.658 ... condos? 1680 01:31:20.668 --> 01:31:23.598 So overall, we are required to have 72. 1681 01:31:23.638 --> 01:31:25.938 I think we have about 18 extra. 1682 01:31:26.798 --> 01:31:29.998 93, so we have about 18 or 19 extra parkings. 1683 01:31:30.538 --> 01:31:32.518 Andrew here is from NFE Engineers. 1684 01:31:32.538 --> 01:31:36.438 He's the one who designed the site plan.So we have a very professional team, 1685 01:31:36.818 --> 01:31:40.148 and Ghassan here is the architect who's going to design a beautiful building, 1686 01:31:40.838 --> 01:31:44.198 and we are trying to keep everything together and actually give more than what is 1687 01:31:44.218 --> 01:31:48.058 required in terms of landscaping, in terms of parking, in terms of the 1688 01:31:48.078 --> 01:31:51.718 green space. The gazebo was not a requirement, but we put it up there to 1689 01:31:51.738 --> 01:31:52.678 beautify the space. 1690 01:31:53.898 --> 01:31:54.338 Okay. 1691 01:31:55.518 --> 01:31:59.228 I know you had mentioned that there was a meeting that you had 1692 01:31:59.558 --> 01:32:00.938 scheduled with the residents. 1693 01:32:00.998 --> 01:32:01.258 Yes. 1694 01:32:01.358 --> 01:32:05.198 And another resident came up and also mentioned something taking place 1695 01:32:05.338 --> 01:32:09.308 during Christmas time. So when-- I was trying 1696 01:32:09.338 --> 01:32:10.198 to connect the dots. 1697 01:32:10.318 --> 01:32:10.327 So- 1698 01:32:10.338 --> 01:32:11.778 When did you guys have your meeting? 1699 01:32:12.058 --> 01:32:13.198 So this was the same meeting. 1700 01:32:13.368 --> 01:32:13.368 Okay. 1701 01:32:13.398 --> 01:32:16.147 This happened, I think, November- November 19th ... 1702 01:32:16.228 --> 01:32:17.098 November 19th- 1703 01:32:17.288 --> 01:32:17.288 Makes sense 1704 01:32:17.288 --> 01:32:21.138 ... is when we had it. So the city sent out the addresses and names 1705 01:32:21.198 --> 01:32:25.118 of neighbors who are within a certain feet, and I think there was about 1706 01:32:25.138 --> 01:32:29.058 120 people, and we sent out letters to those. 1707 01:32:31.218 --> 01:32:31.518 Order. 1708 01:32:31.578 --> 01:32:32.007 So we can- 1709 01:32:32.058 --> 01:32:32.158 Order 1710 01:32:32.178 --> 01:32:36.138 ... go back to that list if needed. And we sent out letters inviting all 1711 01:32:36.178 --> 01:32:39.388 of them to that meeting. And I think about how many showed up? 1712 01:32:39.437 --> 01:32:40.098 Order. 1713 01:32:41.668 --> 01:32:43.058 40. Around 20. Around 20 people. 1714 01:32:43.358 --> 01:32:43.618 Go ahead. 1715 01:32:44.948 --> 01:32:48.178 Now everybody had their turn to speak, so let's keep it down. 1716 01:32:48.278 --> 01:32:52.018 If you don't want to be quiet, I'll have the officer escort you 1717 01:32:52.118 --> 01:32:52.298 out. 1718 01:32:54.398 --> 01:32:54.638 So 1719 01:32:55.498 --> 01:32:55.598 we- 1720 01:32:55.678 --> 01:32:55.978 Thank you. 1721 01:32:56.618 --> 01:33:00.298 Thank you. We sent out the letter and then called for the meeting just to 1722 01:33:00.318 --> 01:33:04.158 explain so that if there is any concern, we can accommodate in the design before we 1723 01:33:04.178 --> 01:33:07.418 submit for rezoning. That was the main reason to do that, 1724 01:33:07.998 --> 01:33:08.598 not to 1725 01:33:09.698 --> 01:33:13.558 just undercut them or blind them. And the 1726 01:33:13.598 --> 01:33:17.338 letter was sent out, and I think a lot of neighbors saw it and who were not in the 1727 01:33:17.378 --> 01:33:18.508 meeting or anything, they 1728 01:33:19.458 --> 01:33:22.978 got it from their Facebook page. So a lot of people have seen it. 1729 01:33:22.998 --> 01:33:26.418 We are not trying to hide anything. We are trying to do good for the neighborhood. 1730 01:33:26.518 --> 01:33:27.098 That's our goal. 1731 01:33:28.118 --> 01:33:31.938 Okay. Okay, I do believe you because I know, especially having one resident 1732 01:33:32.038 --> 01:33:32.658 kind of mention- 1733 01:33:33.478 --> 01:33:36.198 I'm not going to keep talking about disruptions in this room, 1734 01:33:37.998 --> 01:33:40.618 because what'll happen is if you keep disrupting me, 1735 01:33:41.438 --> 01:33:44.528 we're going to just shut the whole thing down, and nobody can get anything done. 1736 01:33:47.958 --> 01:33:49.498 Because we're trying to have an orderly meeting here. 1737 01:33:51.018 --> 01:33:52.858 Now, you had your time to come up and talk. 1738 01:33:54.098 --> 01:33:57.678 This is between the commission and the petitioner to ask questions. 1739 01:33:59.118 --> 01:34:00.198 We want to do our job. 1740 01:34:02.538 --> 01:34:05.938 So I appreciate you hold the silence and let us do our job. 1741 01:34:06.658 --> 01:34:07.038 Thank you. 1742 01:34:08.898 --> 01:34:09.158 Go ahead. 1743 01:34:10.238 --> 01:34:10.698 Thank you. 1744 01:34:11.638 --> 01:34:15.188 I think that kind of covers it. I was very interested in knowing that dates that 1745 01:34:15.188 --> 01:34:18.918 you guys had that meeting, and I'm really glad that you had the neighbors involved. 1746 01:34:20.018 --> 01:34:23.018 So I'm looking forward to it, and that's all. Thank you. 1747 01:34:23.678 --> 01:34:23.878 Thank you. 1748 01:34:23.918 --> 01:34:25.558 Thank you. Anyone else like to speak on this? 1749 01:34:26.778 --> 01:34:26.918 Chair. 1750 01:34:27.238 --> 01:34:28.098 Commissioner Binecki. 1751 01:34:30.058 --> 01:34:32.978 I have a couple questions, and maybe Ron might have to intercede as well. 1752 01:34:33.698 --> 01:34:36.158 As far as the lights they mentioned, are your lights- 1753 01:34:36.418 --> 01:34:37.318 Talks into the mic 1754 01:34:37.327 --> 01:34:40.998 ... I'm sorry, are your lights affecting the neighbors existing and where you're at 1755 01:34:41.098 --> 01:34:42.498 now before the building gets put up? 1756 01:34:44.198 --> 01:34:46.028 They're supposed to be downward luminous. 1757 01:34:46.078 --> 01:34:49.918 Yeah, I'm not sure about the current lighting situation, but what we have done 1758 01:34:49.978 --> 01:34:53.678 as part of this development, we did a photometrics study, which is the last two 1759 01:34:53.738 --> 01:34:56.358 pages of the zoning plan we have submitted. 1760 01:34:56.758 --> 01:34:59.758 So we have zero light emitting out of this property. 1761 01:35:00.738 --> 01:35:03.898 The green belt. Even on the green belt, we're going to have zero light. 1762 01:35:04.018 --> 01:35:07.698 So all the lights are pointed down so that no light goes out of the 1763 01:35:08.338 --> 01:35:12.178 property. And as I mentioned in my initial talk, we also are planning to 1764 01:35:12.218 --> 01:35:16.158 put shrubs around so that even the light from the cars is 1765 01:35:16.178 --> 01:35:17.378 not going to go into the neighborhood. 1766 01:35:17.418 --> 01:35:19.078 This is the lighting study that I'm talking about. 1767 01:35:19.458 --> 01:35:22.988 If you zoom in here, what you see when you see a blue and a 1768 01:35:24.178 --> 01:35:26.378 zero, that means light is not going out. 1769 01:35:26.458 --> 01:35:29.058 All the light, the green is where the light is focused. 1770 01:35:29.098 --> 01:35:31.818 So even in the buffer zone, we are not going to have any light. 1771 01:35:32.578 --> 01:35:36.038 So for the most part, and definitely not going into the neighborhoods from the 1772 01:35:36.098 --> 01:35:39.178 poles. That's what we are trying to design in this property here. 1773 01:35:39.638 --> 01:35:43.458 Okay. Also, the neighbors mentioned that they have beautiful trees up now, and they 1774 01:35:43.498 --> 01:35:45.418 like them because they are giving privacy. 1775 01:35:45.438 --> 01:35:47.838 But I heard somewhere, somebody say they might be removed. 1776 01:35:47.908 --> 01:35:50.198 Are they staying, and are you putting additional trees in? 1777 01:35:50.318 --> 01:35:53.858 Majority of those trees that are in the buffer zone, we have a tree plan already 1778 01:35:53.898 --> 01:35:56.017 updated there as part of our site plan. 1779 01:35:56.098 --> 01:35:59.508 Majority that are in the buffer zone, they're all staying. 1780 01:35:59.538 --> 01:36:03.438 In fact, we are putting additional trees in the buffer zone just to take 1781 01:36:03.458 --> 01:36:05.478 care of the site issue, which 1782 01:36:06.518 --> 01:36:09.098 I know some of them mentioned about the two-story building going. 1783 01:36:09.178 --> 01:36:12.578 The height restriction is still the same at 35 as a single-family home 1784 01:36:12.978 --> 01:36:16.878 feet. So we're not going any higher than what the current R1 zoning 1785 01:36:16.938 --> 01:36:17.538 is required. 1786 01:36:18.578 --> 01:36:22.218 So the line of sight is still going to be parallel, but we still have trees up 1787 01:36:22.278 --> 01:36:23.858 there that are going to block that. 1788 01:36:24.798 --> 01:36:27.478 Okay. They also were concerned about your events, which 1789 01:36:28.398 --> 01:36:32.027 this is a separate subject, but if there's going to be more people in, 1790 01:36:32.398 --> 01:36:34.938 are the events outside or inside? 1791 01:36:35.058 --> 01:36:38.118 I'm actually not part of that institute. I'm a developer. 1792 01:36:38.258 --> 01:36:40.818 I'm purchasing this property and doing the development. 1793 01:36:41.378 --> 01:36:41.818 Okay. 1794 01:36:41.918 --> 01:36:42.008 So- 1795 01:36:42.018 --> 01:36:45.758 I'm just curious because if they're-- and I was going into the next thing, 1796 01:36:45.858 --> 01:36:49.148 maybe a parking structure in your other place where the events are being held, 1797 01:36:50.058 --> 01:36:53.118 a couple levels might stop it from being on the residential streets. 1798 01:36:53.178 --> 01:36:57.058 Yeah, that definitely could be brought up with the institute to build a parking 1799 01:36:57.118 --> 01:36:57.498 structure. 1800 01:36:59.498 --> 01:36:59.878 Okay. Thank you. 1801 01:37:01.258 --> 01:37:01.688 I yield the floor. 1802 01:37:01.738 --> 01:37:02.698 Thank you. Anyone else? 1803 01:37:04.178 --> 01:37:04.898 Yes, Mr. Chair. 1804 01:37:06.098 --> 01:37:06.518 May I please? 1805 01:37:08.218 --> 01:37:08.438 Okay. 1806 01:37:09.218 --> 01:37:09.978 Councilman Newnan's here. 1807 01:37:12.178 --> 01:37:14.248 I thought you were done. Yes, the answer is- 1808 01:37:16.078 --> 01:37:16.758 Did I say something? 1809 01:37:16.858 --> 01:37:19.277 I thought you were going to answer the question. I was going to let you go. 1810 01:37:19.938 --> 01:37:20.138 Okay. 1811 01:37:20.598 --> 01:37:20.848 Well, 1812 01:37:21.738 --> 01:37:22.698 Councilman Newnan. 1813 01:37:22.738 --> 01:37:23.058 Yeah. 1814 01:37:23.138 --> 01:37:26.978 I know you're allowed to speak because you're our ex officio on our 1815 01:37:27.278 --> 01:37:31.228 board, but let us try to finish up with the commissioners up here first. 1816 01:37:31.278 --> 01:37:31.678 Sure. Oh, yeah. 1817 01:37:31.888 --> 01:37:33.948 And then if you have something you need to say- 1818 01:37:34.398 --> 01:37:34.618 Okay 1819 01:37:34.938 --> 01:37:36.458 ... because you are our ex officio. 1820 01:37:36.938 --> 01:37:37.298 All right. 1821 01:37:37.838 --> 01:37:39.318 As long as you keep it within three minutes. 1822 01:37:40.198 --> 01:37:42.526 Right.Go ahead. 1823 01:37:43.266 --> 01:37:47.226 Yes. As you heard that few of the residents, they 1824 01:37:47.246 --> 01:37:50.286 are complaining about that they did not get any notice, 1825 01:37:51.446 --> 01:37:53.666 or any meeting, you guys didn't do it. 1826 01:37:53.806 --> 01:37:53.976 Mm-hmm. 1827 01:37:54.666 --> 01:37:54.926 So... 1828 01:37:56.786 --> 01:38:00.356 So what happened, as I said, we did not know the exact neighbors, their names and 1829 01:38:00.446 --> 01:38:04.366 addresses. So we asked the city to give us a list of the neighbors 1830 01:38:04.406 --> 01:38:07.206 who we can intimate about the meeting. 1831 01:38:07.706 --> 01:38:11.626 So the city gave us a list, which is about 120 approximately names 1832 01:38:11.666 --> 01:38:13.706 and addresses, and we send out letters to those 1833 01:38:15.166 --> 01:38:17.666 people on November 6th for a November 19th meeting. 1834 01:38:18.406 --> 01:38:22.326 And, approximately 20 people showed up for that 1835 01:38:22.346 --> 01:38:26.166 meeting that was held right at the Holiday Inn on Hoover and 11 Mile, so 1836 01:38:26.226 --> 01:38:27.336 very close to them, so that- 1837 01:38:27.346 --> 01:38:28.886 Do you know the date? What was the date? 1838 01:38:29.246 --> 01:38:29.986 November 19th. 1839 01:38:30.486 --> 01:38:31.586 November 19th. 1840 01:38:31.646 --> 01:38:31.865 Yes. 1841 01:38:32.026 --> 01:38:33.706 So it's like seven months ago. 1842 01:38:33.826 --> 01:38:34.246 Yes. 1843 01:38:34.386 --> 01:38:37.206 And after that, planning department recommended this. 1844 01:38:37.646 --> 01:38:40.546 That's correct. After that, we worked with the planning department, made changes in 1845 01:38:40.586 --> 01:38:41.756 the design with a lot of 1846 01:38:42.966 --> 01:38:46.956 things that we solved. As I said in my initial address, we solved majority of 1847 01:38:46.986 --> 01:38:50.496 the concerns that can have for even for site plan approval. 1848 01:38:51.426 --> 01:38:55.406 For rezoning, Andrew, who did excellent job addressing all 1849 01:38:55.426 --> 01:38:57.826 the issues based on that meeting and everything. 1850 01:38:59.186 --> 01:38:59.466 Thank you. 1851 01:38:59.546 --> 01:39:02.636 Yeah. And we met the planning department too several times during this process, and 1852 01:39:02.686 --> 01:39:06.246 they give comments, and we made changes according to that. 1853 01:39:06.286 --> 01:39:06.586 Thank you. 1854 01:39:06.916 --> 01:39:06.916 Okay. 1855 01:39:06.926 --> 01:39:07.666 Mr. Chair. 1856 01:39:07.786 --> 01:39:08.606 Okay. Let me- 1857 01:39:08.706 --> 01:39:09.786 Go ahead. 1858 01:39:09.826 --> 01:39:10.406 I didn't finish yet. 1859 01:39:11.246 --> 01:39:12.226 I didn't finish yet. And also, 1860 01:39:13.526 --> 01:39:15.666 a few of the residents mentioned that 1861 01:39:17.146 --> 01:39:18.966 probably tax going to go increase. 1862 01:39:19.386 --> 01:39:23.346 So far, I know that, best of my knowledge, for any 1863 01:39:23.366 --> 01:39:27.016 religious institute if around the neighborhood, tax doesn't 1864 01:39:27.086 --> 01:39:30.566 increase. Tax increase is different thing. 1865 01:39:30.686 --> 01:39:32.506 And another point, 1866 01:39:33.426 --> 01:39:34.546 I just want to mention again. 1867 01:39:36.686 --> 01:39:38.906 Any religious institute like a church, 1868 01:39:40.526 --> 01:39:44.346 Islamic institute, or a school can be any R-1 1869 01:39:44.356 --> 01:39:48.326 zoning by the ordinance. So if you see any church, it can be 1870 01:39:48.366 --> 01:39:50.486 any R-1 zoning. So normally, 1871 01:39:51.406 --> 01:39:54.846 it's a religious institute, the Mifta Institute, it can be in 1872 01:39:54.906 --> 01:39:56.166 any R-1 zoning, 1873 01:39:56.986 --> 01:40:00.866 like a church. You see any church, by the ordinance, if I am wrong, 1874 01:40:01.006 --> 01:40:01.746 you can correct me. 1875 01:40:03.126 --> 01:40:06.666 Any religious institute or school, that can be any R-1 zoning. 1876 01:40:06.746 --> 01:40:10.086 So normally, we see the traffic. When school 1877 01:40:10.146 --> 01:40:14.006 opening or 3:00 PM, usually the traffic 1878 01:40:14.066 --> 01:40:16.446 time, we adjust, we just manage it. 1879 01:40:17.006 --> 01:40:19.686 So there's traffic issue, yes, I understand that. 1880 01:40:19.706 --> 01:40:22.336 That's one of the biggest institute. I've been there a few times. 1881 01:40:22.446 --> 01:40:26.366 I personally, one of my non-profit organization, we hosted 1882 01:40:26.446 --> 01:40:28.246 a few nice event there. 1883 01:40:29.166 --> 01:40:32.726 So I know that traffic issue. And also, I will request, I know that 1884 01:40:33.466 --> 01:40:37.006 this project does not include the Mifta 1885 01:40:37.046 --> 01:40:37.486 Institute. 1886 01:40:37.496 --> 01:40:37.496 Yes. 1887 01:40:37.506 --> 01:40:39.886 It's a separate, but still owned by Mifta. 1888 01:40:39.986 --> 01:40:43.906 So I will suggest you to, as you know, residents suggested, 1889 01:40:44.066 --> 01:40:47.786 I know that is, of course, they're having issue, and 1890 01:40:47.886 --> 01:40:51.306 they're suffering these things. So my suggestion will be, request will be- 1891 01:40:51.326 --> 01:40:51.406 Sure 1892 01:40:51.446 --> 01:40:53.346 ... that please talk to the Mifta Institute 1893 01:40:54.666 --> 01:40:56.366 about that traffic thing. 1894 01:40:56.726 --> 01:40:56.756 Sure. Absolutely. 1895 01:40:56.766 --> 01:41:00.586 So find any way that how it can be better, and it 1896 01:41:00.626 --> 01:41:04.346 can give them comfort because constituent, as a planning commissioner, we 1897 01:41:04.366 --> 01:41:08.186 always care about our constituent, our residents, that how they 1898 01:41:08.226 --> 01:41:11.586 can find the comfort. At the same time, we also welcome more 1899 01:41:12.126 --> 01:41:14.066 developer, more business in the city. 1900 01:41:14.446 --> 01:41:14.926 Absolutely. 1901 01:41:15.066 --> 01:41:18.946 So, my request will be please talk to the Mifta Institute and take all 1902 01:41:18.966 --> 01:41:19.226 those 1903 01:41:20.426 --> 01:41:24.206 feedback or suggestion and find a way how can you guys 1904 01:41:24.266 --> 01:41:25.386 improve the traffic thing. 1905 01:41:25.826 --> 01:41:26.686 Absolutely, will do that. 1906 01:41:26.926 --> 01:41:28.426 Thank you so much. 1907 01:41:29.966 --> 01:41:30.066 Yes. 1908 01:41:30.106 --> 01:41:30.416 Commissioner Abdul. 1909 01:41:30.426 --> 01:41:31.326 Mr. Chair. Yes. 1910 01:41:32.586 --> 01:41:34.766 I would like to ask you a few question. 1911 01:41:35.196 --> 01:41:38.686 So what is the relationship between Mifta Institute and your project? 1912 01:41:39.186 --> 01:41:42.686 So this project is a 3.27 1913 01:41:42.946 --> 01:41:46.746 acre parcel that is going to be split out, and once the rezoning is 1914 01:41:46.786 --> 01:41:50.286 approved, is going to be bought by the LLC that 1915 01:41:50.406 --> 01:41:54.246 I have with Graviton Ventures. So it's going to be independent of the Mifta 1916 01:41:54.286 --> 01:41:58.105 Institute. We did not purchase the parcel because we just 1917 01:41:58.146 --> 01:42:00.016 wanted to make sure that the rezoning goes through. 1918 01:42:00.386 --> 01:42:04.206 And the parcel split also did not happen because the parcel split application has 1919 01:42:04.226 --> 01:42:07.326 been submitted to the planning. It is combined with rezoning. 1920 01:42:08.146 --> 01:42:11.986 Split will only happen if the rezoning happens, and then we'll purchase that 1921 01:42:12.026 --> 01:42:15.046 parcel to do the development. So it'll be independent of Mifta Institute. 1922 01:42:15.586 --> 01:42:18.966 So is this lot is using by the Mifta Institute 1923 01:42:19.526 --> 01:42:20.826 right now for parking? 1924 01:42:21.406 --> 01:42:24.846 The one acre lot on the east side is an empty lot. 1925 01:42:25.226 --> 01:42:29.086 It's a green space. And then there is about two rows or three rows 1926 01:42:29.126 --> 01:42:32.466 of parking in the back that is being used, which we are going to utilize for this 1927 01:42:32.486 --> 01:42:32.866 project. 1928 01:42:34.386 --> 01:42:38.246 So most of the complaint we see are parking issues. 1929 01:42:38.306 --> 01:42:38.566 Yes. 1930 01:42:38.966 --> 01:42:42.746 When they have a programs, big programs, they're overflowing the traffic 1931 01:42:42.866 --> 01:42:44.766 and disturb the neighbors. 1932 01:42:45.006 --> 01:42:45.266 Yes. 1933 01:42:45.726 --> 01:42:46.146 So 1934 01:42:49.386 --> 01:42:51.246 how you going to handle these things? 1935 01:42:53.186 --> 01:42:55.006 Yeah, that is a thing. 1936 01:42:55.906 --> 01:42:56.206 What's that? 1937 01:42:56.356 --> 01:42:57.466 We will take care of parking. 1938 01:42:57.866 --> 01:42:59.646 Yeah. We will address that with Mifta as 1939 01:43:00.686 --> 01:43:04.596 Dilawar here mentioned, and then we'll try to see if they 1940 01:43:04.606 --> 01:43:08.206 can come up with a solution, maybe host smaller events and try to 1941 01:43:08.266 --> 01:43:10.466 address that and not extend beyond the limit 1942 01:43:12.066 --> 01:43:13.065 of what they have. 1943 01:43:13.366 --> 01:43:16.356 But they currently have adequate amount of parking. 1944 01:43:16.426 --> 01:43:20.106 Yeah, they do have. Right now, based on the parking, I think we have about 800 1945 01:43:20.206 --> 01:43:20.586 something- 1946 01:43:20.866 --> 01:43:20.946 Yeah, 1947 01:43:21.846 --> 01:43:22.166 850 1948 01:43:22.206 --> 01:43:26.046 ... 850 parking spots, which are more than adequate for their regular use and 1949 01:43:26.106 --> 01:43:29.326 stuff like that. And we are using about, I think, 1950 01:43:30.446 --> 01:43:32.856 I'm not sure the exact number, but three or four rows there. 1951 01:43:33.626 --> 01:43:34.086 Three rows. 1952 01:43:34.126 --> 01:43:37.926 Three rows there. So they're still going to have adequate parking over there, 1953 01:43:38.126 --> 01:43:42.046 like three rows of parking is what we're using in this development. 1954 01:43:42.726 --> 01:43:46.674 SoThat's a MFTA question. We can ask 1955 01:43:46.774 --> 01:43:50.194 them and try to see what solutions we can come up with 1956 01:43:50.534 --> 01:43:54.474 regarding the parking. But for the building itself, as it exists, they 1957 01:43:54.494 --> 01:43:55.574 have more than enough parking. 1958 01:43:56.014 --> 01:43:59.434 And we want to make sure that your tenant or 1959 01:43:59.774 --> 01:44:02.694 your resident will not bother the neighbor. 1960 01:44:03.174 --> 01:44:05.574 Definitely. That's why we put extra parking. 1961 01:44:06.074 --> 01:44:07.814 Yes. This is our main concern. 1962 01:44:08.174 --> 01:44:08.354 Yeah. 1963 01:44:09.154 --> 01:44:13.134 I think it's actually less than two is the requirement, or maybe two is the 1964 01:44:13.154 --> 01:44:16.674 requirement for a two bedroom. We put 19 or so extra parkings 1965 01:44:17.534 --> 01:44:18.474 in the property itself. 1966 01:44:19.974 --> 01:44:20.944 For visitors as well. 1967 01:44:20.944 --> 01:44:22.514 For visitors as well as if somebody has another car. 1968 01:44:23.254 --> 01:44:24.054 Okay. Thank you. 1969 01:44:25.414 --> 01:44:26.854 Anyone else like to speak on this item? 1970 01:44:28.854 --> 01:44:29.594 Councilman Noonan. 1971 01:44:30.954 --> 01:44:31.434 Three minutes. 1972 01:44:31.894 --> 01:44:32.614 Please don't go away. 1973 01:44:33.334 --> 01:44:34.074 Okay. 1974 01:44:34.154 --> 01:44:36.174 John, just borrow the microphone here. 1975 01:44:36.614 --> 01:44:38.604 So, as I understand it, 1976 01:44:39.834 --> 01:44:40.034 the 1977 01:44:41.434 --> 01:44:44.634 traffic issues that all these people are talking about are very real, 1978 01:44:45.694 --> 01:44:46.654 and it's already 1979 01:44:48.494 --> 01:44:50.574 overburdening Berg. 1980 01:44:52.794 --> 01:44:56.274 If you could consider purchasing the 1981 01:44:57.234 --> 01:45:01.113 area being used by Consumers Power, that would be 1982 01:45:01.474 --> 01:45:05.314 great, because then you could have people exiting directly on 11 Mile. 1983 01:45:06.974 --> 01:45:07.434 Also, 1984 01:45:08.834 --> 01:45:11.774 the MFTA Institute has an entrance off of 11 1985 01:45:11.814 --> 01:45:14.934 Mile. I don't know whether it's possible. 1986 01:45:15.074 --> 01:45:18.374 It seems like it isn't possible, because it seems like there should have 1987 01:45:18.454 --> 01:45:22.274 been another access from that property 1988 01:45:22.354 --> 01:45:23.234 onto 11 Mile. 1989 01:45:24.314 --> 01:45:26.914 Maybe there could be one or two more 1990 01:45:27.794 --> 01:45:30.404 from the MFTA Institute onto 11 Mile, 1991 01:45:31.254 --> 01:45:33.304 if you're going to have this wonderful, 1992 01:45:34.134 --> 01:45:36.954 very environmentally friendly, reducing 1993 01:45:37.974 --> 01:45:38.454 flooding 1994 01:45:40.114 --> 01:45:40.754 development. 1995 01:45:42.474 --> 01:45:45.434 That would be one solution. But it seems right now, it 1996 01:45:47.094 --> 01:45:50.994 seems like they would have had to have denied your 1997 01:45:51.004 --> 01:45:51.754 appeal until 1998 01:45:52.913 --> 01:45:56.654 you came up with a solution. And now, 1999 01:45:57.894 --> 01:46:01.394 you might just override all the neighbors' concerns, and that 2000 01:46:01.454 --> 01:46:02.094 concerns me. 2001 01:46:03.234 --> 01:46:03.934 So I yield. 2002 01:46:05.534 --> 01:46:06.134 Thank you, sir. 2003 01:46:09.994 --> 01:46:10.254 Yeah. 2004 01:46:11.494 --> 01:46:13.344 May I speak or answer to this point? 2005 01:46:13.344 --> 01:46:13.734 One second. 2006 01:46:15.454 --> 01:46:15.464 Sure. 2007 01:46:15.474 --> 01:46:16.714 Anybody else have something to say? 2008 01:46:18.614 --> 01:46:19.214 Because I 2009 01:46:20.014 --> 01:46:21.014 made my comments. 2010 01:46:21.454 --> 01:46:23.414 I have this question. 2011 01:46:25.674 --> 01:46:28.174 May I call our director, please? 2012 01:46:28.754 --> 01:46:28.974 What? 2013 01:46:29.334 --> 01:46:30.234 I have a question for you. 2014 01:46:39.474 --> 01:46:39.714 Yes. 2015 01:46:39.994 --> 01:46:43.874 As Councilman Noonan mentioned that instead of 2016 01:46:43.994 --> 01:46:47.354 using the Berg Road, 2017 01:46:47.954 --> 01:46:51.214 the MFTA Institute has another driveway. 2018 01:46:51.434 --> 01:46:51.594 Yes. 2019 01:46:51.654 --> 01:46:54.374 Is there any way, can we use directly to 2020 01:46:55.254 --> 01:46:59.194 the 11 Mile, so all the residents will have 2021 01:46:59.234 --> 01:47:01.534 their comfort? They're not going to use this 2022 01:47:02.674 --> 01:47:06.014 road. They can directly use this 11 Mile road. 2023 01:47:07.694 --> 01:47:11.554 Are you talking about the owner of the overall 2024 01:47:11.654 --> 01:47:12.654 property? 2025 01:47:12.774 --> 01:47:13.034 Yes. 2026 01:47:13.154 --> 01:47:16.644 Providing access from this 2027 01:47:16.694 --> 01:47:20.054 new site. I think there actually is a gate 2028 01:47:21.014 --> 01:47:24.674 that's going to be provided on the north property line that 2029 01:47:24.684 --> 01:47:28.394 goes to the site, but I think that's primarily for fire 2030 01:47:28.454 --> 01:47:29.294 department use. 2031 01:47:30.314 --> 01:47:31.384 But they 2032 01:47:33.154 --> 01:47:35.094 could create anything they want. 2033 01:47:36.874 --> 01:47:40.394 Not sure about where it would go. They'd have to get approval for 2034 01:47:41.614 --> 01:47:45.594 an individual driveway that went to 11 2035 01:47:45.634 --> 01:47:47.174 Mile. They have 2036 01:47:48.954 --> 01:47:52.754 two driveways to begin with that go to 11 Mile. 2037 01:47:53.894 --> 01:47:54.574 Thank you. 2038 01:48:01.113 --> 01:48:01.514 Anyway, 2039 01:48:02.314 --> 01:48:05.434 so they have access to 11 Mile. 2040 01:48:05.694 --> 01:48:09.494 So if owner decide, they can do it, as you are 2041 01:48:09.554 --> 01:48:09.794 saying. 2042 01:48:10.194 --> 01:48:13.794 It's a ingress, egress document 2043 01:48:14.374 --> 01:48:16.554 that would tell them, 2044 01:48:18.614 --> 01:48:20.134 if this goes through, 2045 01:48:20.994 --> 01:48:24.954 where they'd have to be able to or be permitted to drive 2046 01:48:25.614 --> 01:48:26.834 to get to 11 Mile Road. 2047 01:48:30.234 --> 01:48:33.694 I have a question to petitioner. Thank you. 2048 01:48:36.774 --> 01:48:36.994 Yes. 2049 01:48:37.414 --> 01:48:41.164 Yes. As you see that all the neighbors, and it is true, 2050 01:48:41.714 --> 01:48:43.904 I've been there a few times, and it is 2051 01:48:45.194 --> 01:48:47.904 so much traffic, especially morning time and evening time. 2052 01:48:48.394 --> 01:48:51.994 So if this one added, and as you know, planning 2053 01:48:52.014 --> 01:48:54.254 department already mentioned that 2054 01:48:55.394 --> 01:48:59.134 they think it's a multifamily, we should approve it. 2055 01:48:59.154 --> 01:49:01.683 The planning department suggested us to approve it. 2056 01:49:01.964 --> 01:49:02.024 Mm-hmm. 2057 01:49:02.274 --> 01:49:05.134 And also, I personally think, City of Warren, we do need a 2058 01:49:05.834 --> 01:49:07.694 multifamily apartment. 2059 01:49:08.054 --> 01:49:08.234 Mm-hmm. 2060 01:49:08.354 --> 01:49:11.974 But also at the same times, we do have to take our residents' 2061 01:49:12.054 --> 01:49:13.834 consideration and their comfort too. 2062 01:49:14.274 --> 01:49:14.424 Mm-hmm. 2063 01:49:14.534 --> 01:49:14.844 So, one 2064 01:49:16.034 --> 01:49:17.274 of the residents I see, 2065 01:49:18.234 --> 01:49:21.474 she came with a baby, and she bought a house. 2066 01:49:21.574 --> 01:49:23.754 So as a commissioner, we have to take their concern 2067 01:49:25.674 --> 01:49:25.814 too. 2068 01:49:26.274 --> 01:49:26.494 Sure. 2069 01:49:26.574 --> 01:49:30.494 So as the director mentioned, that is 2070 01:49:30.534 --> 01:49:31.464 there any way you can, 2071 01:49:32.454 --> 01:49:36.214 instead of using the other road, so that traffic not going to be there, you can 2072 01:49:36.274 --> 01:49:36.754 use that 2073 01:49:38.254 --> 01:49:38.934 11 Mile road? 2074 01:49:39.834 --> 01:49:43.614 We'll have to look at the layout and the survey and work with our engineering to 2075 01:49:43.654 --> 01:49:44.254 see if it's that 2076 01:49:44.482 --> 01:49:44.922 That's possible. 2077 01:49:44.962 --> 01:49:48.782 Yes. If we approve it today, and still you're going to talk with 2078 01:49:48.822 --> 01:49:51.482 the planning department, and is there any way 2079 01:49:52.442 --> 01:49:55.742 you can make this thing happen, then our residents will get 2080 01:49:55.802 --> 01:49:59.722 their comfort so that their road will not be 2081 01:49:59.742 --> 01:50:02.102 traffic. Big traffic will not be there. 2082 01:50:02.522 --> 01:50:04.942 Traffic will go directly to the 11 Mile. 2083 01:50:05.662 --> 01:50:06.962 Sure. We can look into that. 2084 01:50:07.902 --> 01:50:08.202 Thank you. 2085 01:50:08.722 --> 01:50:08.921 All right. 2086 01:50:11.102 --> 01:50:11.621 Good evening. 2087 01:50:11.862 --> 01:50:12.922 No, I can. 2088 01:50:13.042 --> 01:50:15.302 I've been listening to all the concerns of all the residents, 2089 01:50:16.562 --> 01:50:20.152 and one of my main problems is you claim you met with the 2090 01:50:20.202 --> 01:50:23.942 residents, but we've got a lot of people here from the neighborhood that said they 2091 01:50:23.951 --> 01:50:26.902 never got any letter, nor any notification or anything. 2092 01:50:26.962 --> 01:50:29.762 So there seems to be lack of communication somewhere. Okay? 2093 01:50:30.362 --> 01:50:34.172 The other thing is the two drivers coming from this complex are coming out onto 2094 01:50:34.302 --> 01:50:34.822 Berg Road, 2095 01:50:35.722 --> 01:50:38.902 and you got Stilwell Manor across the street. 2096 01:50:39.102 --> 01:50:42.482 You got traffic from that, and a lot of people use that as a straight through from 2097 01:50:42.522 --> 01:50:46.442 Engleman. Okay? I think a traffic study needs to be done 2098 01:50:46.522 --> 01:50:47.162 on that road, 2099 01:50:48.162 --> 01:50:51.992 because if it's too much traffic, and especially with 2100 01:50:52.042 --> 01:50:53.202 the school being there- 2101 01:50:53.622 --> 01:50:54.442 Mm-hmm 2102 01:50:54.452 --> 01:50:58.042 ... if the school's got that much parking, there's no reason for them to be parking 2103 01:50:58.082 --> 01:51:01.962 over on the street. So if you put this here, you're eliminating part of their 2104 01:51:02.032 --> 01:51:02.432 parking. 2105 01:51:04.102 --> 01:51:07.042 So therefore, that's going to cause them to park on the street even more. 2106 01:51:08.362 --> 01:51:09.112 So I think that, 2107 01:51:10.362 --> 01:51:14.082 my personal thing, I think this needs to be postponed until you can have 2108 01:51:14.142 --> 01:51:15.402 another meeting with the residents- 2109 01:51:15.862 --> 01:51:16.062 Mm-hmm 2110 01:51:16.072 --> 01:51:17.842 ... talk with all the residents- 2111 01:51:18.202 --> 01:51:18.382 Mm-hmm 2112 01:51:18.762 --> 01:51:22.622 ... get a traffic study about the traffic on that street, talk to the school 2113 01:51:22.702 --> 01:51:23.152 about their 2114 01:51:25.142 --> 01:51:26.652 meetings and the things that they have, 2115 01:51:28.062 --> 01:51:31.042 to where they can work out something where it'll all work out together. 2116 01:51:31.062 --> 01:51:33.522 Because if you can't do that, then it's not going to work. 2117 01:51:35.302 --> 01:51:35.562 All right? 2118 01:51:36.302 --> 01:51:36.502 Sure. 2119 01:51:37.462 --> 01:51:39.902 So I would like to see a motion to postpone 2120 01:51:40.722 --> 01:51:43.082 to give them time to re-meet with the residents. 2121 01:51:43.222 --> 01:51:45.712 I mean, really meet with the residents, because like I say, there's quite a few of 2122 01:51:45.742 --> 01:51:48.742 them here, and they all have a lot to say. 2123 01:51:48.762 --> 01:51:49.242 Yeah. 2124 01:51:49.322 --> 01:51:50.742 So. 2125 01:51:50.872 --> 01:51:51.082 May- 2126 01:51:53.021 --> 01:51:53.051 We can answer. 2127 01:51:53.051 --> 01:51:53.282 What? 2128 01:51:54.962 --> 01:51:56.142 No, I think I can answer. 2129 01:51:56.252 --> 01:51:59.012 I see. Okay. So- 2130 01:51:59.022 --> 01:51:59.072 Mr. 2131 01:52:00.362 --> 01:52:03.651 Do I have permission to answer to some of your concerns, Mr. Smith? 2132 01:52:03.982 --> 01:52:04.232 Sure. Sure, go ahead. 2133 01:52:04.262 --> 01:52:08.202 Okay. So we did speak with MDFTA. We did a survey of this number 2134 01:52:08.242 --> 01:52:12.222 of students that come into the school before we 2135 01:52:12.382 --> 01:52:15.742 planned on purchasing this part of the lot. 2136 01:52:17.162 --> 01:52:20.922 The only time they have extra parking is if they 2137 01:52:20.942 --> 01:52:24.822 plan an event. They have two events, or 2138 01:52:24.862 --> 01:52:27.662 sometimes even one event planned all over the 2139 01:52:27.742 --> 01:52:31.662 year. On days when they have school, there's not more 2140 01:52:31.702 --> 01:52:34.162 than five lanes that the cars occupy. 2141 01:52:34.482 --> 01:52:35.782 We will definitely get a 2142 01:52:36.802 --> 01:52:40.642 traffic study on Berg Road done, but that is the amount of parking 2143 01:52:40.702 --> 01:52:42.482 that the institute currently occupies. 2144 01:52:43.122 --> 01:52:46.522 As per the requirements for the institute, they need 2145 01:52:47.282 --> 01:52:49.162 530 parking spaces, and 2146 01:52:50.242 --> 01:52:54.172 after this piece of parcel is being sold out, they'll still 2147 01:52:54.262 --> 01:52:58.102 have more than the required number of parkings available for them. 2148 01:52:58.662 --> 01:53:02.582 So that is part of MDFTA. The traffic on Berg Road, we totally understand 2149 01:53:02.591 --> 01:53:06.362 the neighbors and your concerns, and we will definitely do a 2150 01:53:06.422 --> 01:53:09.502 traffic study for that. Now- 2151 01:53:10.442 --> 01:53:10.622 Sorry. 2152 01:53:10.662 --> 01:53:14.342 It's okay. In terms of the invitations to the 2153 01:53:14.382 --> 01:53:18.102 neighbors and for another meeting, we're definitely open to 2154 01:53:18.202 --> 01:53:18.902 that. 2155 01:53:19.842 --> 01:53:20.492 The reason, 2156 01:53:21.762 --> 01:53:24.382 I think we have a list and a 2157 01:53:25.242 --> 01:53:28.822 diameter from the development area that neighbors get 2158 01:53:28.862 --> 01:53:32.562 invitations to, even from the planning department about 2159 01:53:32.642 --> 01:53:36.142 rezoning, and those are the neighbors that we send the invitation letters to. 2160 01:53:36.702 --> 01:53:40.542 I believe some neighbors posted it on social media, and that is how 2161 01:53:40.622 --> 01:53:44.362 other neighbors came into contact about and got notified 2162 01:53:44.422 --> 01:53:46.222 about this. So, 2163 01:53:47.622 --> 01:53:48.272 those are the three 2164 01:53:49.782 --> 01:53:53.022 points that you raised. We know the traffic in MDFTA. 2165 01:53:53.542 --> 01:53:56.242 We will do a traffic study on Berg Road. 2166 01:53:56.302 --> 01:53:59.962 Maybe we will even talk to MDFTA if we can open a driveway 2167 01:54:00.022 --> 01:54:01.042 from 11 Mile Road. 2168 01:54:04.721 --> 01:54:05.042 Thank you. 2169 01:54:07.042 --> 01:54:07.902 If I may, Mr. Chair. 2170 01:54:08.412 --> 01:54:08.412 Go ahead. 2171 01:54:08.442 --> 01:54:10.622 There would have to be first a motion to postpone. 2172 01:54:10.902 --> 01:54:11.462 I understand that. 2173 01:54:11.522 --> 01:54:15.422 Yes. Okay. I just also wanted to add, this commission makes a report to 2174 01:54:15.442 --> 01:54:18.282 city council. City council makes the final 2175 01:54:18.322 --> 01:54:19.442 decision. 2176 01:54:19.472 --> 01:54:19.472 Okay. 2177 01:54:19.502 --> 01:54:22.322 So there would be another hearing. 2178 01:54:22.332 --> 01:54:22.332 Okay. 2179 01:54:22.362 --> 01:54:22.882 Yeah. 2180 01:54:23.922 --> 01:54:27.782 Well, that was a motion by Commissioner Moray and supported 2181 01:54:27.822 --> 01:54:30.402 by Commissioner Ansara to approve. 2182 01:54:30.902 --> 01:54:34.102 Like I said, I'd like to see a motion to postpone, because I think there's a lot 2183 01:54:34.122 --> 01:54:36.762 more work that needs to be done on this, but it's up to you. 2184 01:54:37.282 --> 01:54:38.042 It's up to the commission. 2185 01:54:38.822 --> 01:54:42.742 So you're requesting or suggesting a motion to postpone so the 2186 01:54:43.002 --> 01:54:45.342 petitioners can go back and do a traffic study. 2187 01:54:45.382 --> 01:54:47.102 I know he just mentioned he agrees to that. 2188 01:54:47.142 --> 01:54:49.122 And what was the other thing that we were looking to go back? 2189 01:54:49.302 --> 01:54:51.212 Talk about the school, because, and- 2190 01:54:51.262 --> 01:54:52.142 Talk to the school, okay 2191 01:54:52.182 --> 01:54:55.682 ... have another meeting. You got a lot of residents here against it. 2192 01:54:55.942 --> 01:54:56.222 Mm-hmm. 2193 01:54:56.302 --> 01:54:58.562 So, something that has to be worked out. 2194 01:54:58.602 --> 01:55:02.242 Yeah. I think, especially my concern with the meeting with the residents, I think 2195 01:55:02.262 --> 01:55:03.862 they're just against the whole idea. 2196 01:55:04.202 --> 01:55:08.012 So I think, but definitely, I think the petitioner did agree to all three of that, 2197 01:55:08.082 --> 01:55:09.282 so I'm okay with 2198 01:55:10.302 --> 01:55:13.862 definitely changing my motion currently to approve, to a motion to 2199 01:55:13.922 --> 01:55:14.402 postpone. 2200 01:55:17.102 --> 01:55:17.302 And? 2201 01:55:17.512 --> 01:55:17.802 Yeah. Same. 2202 01:55:19.082 --> 01:55:19.512 I- I'm okay 2203 01:55:20.622 --> 01:55:24.322 to postpone it, so that way, they'll get the opportunity to talk 2204 01:55:24.382 --> 01:55:28.342 again, and you guys can come up with a better plan. 2205 01:55:28.402 --> 01:55:28.762 Sure. 2206 01:55:30.062 --> 01:55:34.002 Okay. So that would be changed from a motion to approve 2207 01:55:34.062 --> 01:55:35.322 to motion to postpone from 2208 01:55:36.182 --> 01:55:39.382 Commissioner Mori and supported by Commissioner Ansara. Roll call. 2209 01:55:39.942 --> 01:55:41.342 Do we need a date or? 2210 01:55:42.062 --> 01:55:42.362 Can we- 2211 01:55:42.702 --> 01:55:44.052 Postpone to a date certain. 2212 01:55:44.402 --> 01:55:45.432 Yes. We do have to- 2213 01:55:45.522 --> 01:55:47.082 Well, the only postponement is to the next meeting. 2214 01:55:47.702 --> 01:55:48.922 We have to have a certain date. 2215 01:55:50.682 --> 01:55:51.842 Would two weeks give you enough time? 2216 01:55:52.622 --> 01:55:53.852 Do you think two week could be enough time? 2217 01:55:54.202 --> 01:55:55.361 No. Two weeks will not be enough. 2218 01:55:56.022 --> 01:55:56.482 Hold 2219 01:55:57.322 --> 01:55:58.562 it. 2220 01:56:00.202 --> 01:56:00.922 Planning department? 2221 01:56:02.502 --> 01:56:06.142 No. Two weeks is not enough time for them to do a proper 2222 01:56:06.242 --> 01:56:07.342 traffic study. 2223 01:56:07.422 --> 01:56:07.642 Okay. 2224 01:56:07.762 --> 01:56:11.382 That part of it. Then they have the other parts they have to work out. 2225 01:56:12.042 --> 01:56:15.302 So a month would be closer to reality. 2226 01:56:15.382 --> 01:56:17.982 So what date do we have a month away? 2227 01:56:18.822 --> 01:56:20.282 July 13th. 2228 01:56:28.262 --> 01:56:29.982 And the traffic study would have to be done 2229 01:56:31.062 --> 01:56:34.842 while school's in session so they can look at all the traffic from the schools. 2230 01:56:35.922 --> 01:56:36.202 Okay. 2231 01:56:36.502 --> 01:56:37.782 It's part of the criteria. 2232 01:56:38.062 --> 01:56:41.942 Part of the criteria. It has to be done because 2233 01:56:42.002 --> 01:56:45.082 we had another problem where they said, "Well, it was a holiday," or something like 2234 01:56:45.122 --> 01:56:47.852 that. We can't have anything where that's going to interfere with anything. 2235 01:56:48.162 --> 01:56:48.342 Sure. 2236 01:56:48.642 --> 01:56:50.982 When they have an event, we need to know what the traffic's going to be like. 2237 01:56:51.202 --> 01:56:51.442 So 2238 01:56:52.702 --> 01:56:54.342 this is going to be postponed 2239 01:56:55.382 --> 01:56:56.602 to July 13th. 2240 01:56:57.622 --> 01:57:01.242 In the meantime, you can do what you have to do to try to make the corrections or 2241 01:57:02.682 --> 01:57:05.062 talk with the residents and work out some agreement. 2242 01:57:05.402 --> 01:57:05.602 Sure. 2243 01:57:05.662 --> 01:57:05.941 Okay. 2244 01:57:06.802 --> 01:57:09.622 That was a motion by Commissioner Mori, supported by Commissioner Ansir, to 2245 01:57:09.662 --> 01:57:11.302 postpone. Roll call. 2246 01:57:11.942 --> 01:57:14.542 Commissioner Mori, I vote yes to postpone. Commissioner Ansir? 2247 01:57:15.042 --> 01:57:15.902 Yes to postponed. 2248 01:57:17.182 --> 01:57:17.992 Commissioner Holowaty? 2249 01:57:18.602 --> 01:57:19.522 Yes to postpone. 2250 01:57:19.922 --> 01:57:20.602 Commissioner Hawk? 2251 01:57:21.122 --> 01:57:21.962 Yes to postpone. 2252 01:57:22.282 --> 01:57:23.102 Commissioner Binecki? 2253 01:57:23.442 --> 01:57:24.362 Yes to postpone. 2254 01:57:24.682 --> 01:57:25.362 Commissioner Smith? 2255 01:57:25.502 --> 01:57:26.322 Yes to postpone. 2256 01:57:27.002 --> 01:57:27.012 Thank you. 2257 01:57:27.022 --> 01:57:30.702 Hopefully you can get everything together and make the residents more comfortable 2258 01:57:30.742 --> 01:57:31.802 with what you're trying to do. 2259 01:57:32.002 --> 01:57:32.642 Thank you so much. 2260 01:57:38.122 --> 01:57:39.102 Item number 6D. 2261 01:57:45.582 --> 01:57:48.742 We're going to take a five-minute recess to let everybody get re-situated. 2262 01:57:50.742 --> 01:57:53.762 You can stand up and stretch. 2263 02:01:47.822 --> 02:01:50.982 We have about another minute, and then we're going to reconvene. 2264 02:01:52.722 --> 02:01:55.122 So can everybody take their 2265 02:01:55.202 --> 02:02:58.512 places?We're 2266 02:02:58.532 --> 02:03:01.432 going to reconvene at this time. Everybody take their seats. 2267 02:03:04.512 --> 02:03:05.852 We're missing a commissioner. 2268 02:03:10.912 --> 02:03:11.852 Item number 6D. 2269 02:03:14.732 --> 02:03:17.672 Item number 6D, site plan for expanded 2270 02:03:17.792 --> 02:03:21.652 outdoor storage located on the south side 2271 02:03:21.692 --> 02:03:24.532 of Maxwell Avenue, approximately 2272 02:03:24.812 --> 02:03:28.342 118 feet east of Sherwood Avenue. 2273 02:03:29.432 --> 02:03:32.802 6732 Maxwell Avenue, Section 33, 2274 02:03:33.452 --> 02:03:35.052 Ronald Scott Gerst. 2275 02:03:37.732 --> 02:03:40.011 Should we wait for Commissioner Panza? 2276 02:03:41.472 --> 02:03:42.612 I told him five minutes. 2277 02:03:43.892 --> 02:03:46.752 I told him five minutes. We're going to move on with the meeting. 2278 02:03:46.792 --> 02:03:47.792 We're not going to hold up everybody 2279 02:03:48.912 --> 02:03:49.752 because he's not here. 2280 02:03:49.772 --> 02:03:51.252 Okay. 2281 02:03:51.332 --> 02:03:51.582 Continue. 2282 02:03:51.582 --> 02:03:51.812 Continue. 2283 02:03:53.272 --> 02:03:56.672 Ronald Scott Gerst and Sherwood Warren LLC, 2284 02:03:56.712 --> 02:03:59.612 PSP-260022. Thank you. 2285 02:04:00.372 --> 02:04:01.432 Good evening. Is the petitioner here? 2286 02:04:11.371 --> 02:04:15.342 Good evening. I'm Tim Story with Story 2287 02:04:15.412 --> 02:04:18.612 Engineering, representing the project for Mr. Gerst. 2288 02:04:21.052 --> 02:04:22.452 You going to tell us a little bit about your project? 2289 02:04:23.072 --> 02:04:26.832 It's an existing business that's been there for many years. 2290 02:04:27.732 --> 02:04:29.792 He is involved in the business of 2291 02:04:32.272 --> 02:04:36.112 maintaining forklifts for his customers, repairing 2292 02:04:36.172 --> 02:04:40.161 them, and so on and so forth. I think he also arranges for new ones 2293 02:04:40.232 --> 02:04:43.952 for them as well. His business has done quite well over the 2294 02:04:43.992 --> 02:04:46.672 years, and he's strapped for room. 2295 02:04:47.412 --> 02:04:51.192 At one time, he did have some space across the street where he could store 2296 02:04:51.232 --> 02:04:55.092 some things, but for some reason, that is no longer an option for him. 2297 02:04:56.152 --> 02:04:59.602 He's working to try to clean up the property and make it 2298 02:04:59.672 --> 02:05:02.432 consistent with the site plan that we submitted. 2299 02:05:02.932 --> 02:05:06.192 I met with him on Saturday and went over that again with him to make sure that he 2300 02:05:06.232 --> 02:05:09.941 understood. He said he misunderstood some of the things that we had discussed on 2301 02:05:09.972 --> 02:05:13.512 the site plan. So he's going to 2302 02:05:14.092 --> 02:05:16.702 continue to clean that up, 2303 02:05:17.612 --> 02:05:20.152 the fenced-in area behind the building there. 2304 02:05:20.972 --> 02:05:22.352 And he's asked... 2305 02:05:24.372 --> 02:05:26.742 The recommendation from the 2306 02:05:27.832 --> 02:05:29.372 planning department, I understand, is 2307 02:05:30.372 --> 02:05:34.032 for it to be postponed, and we actually agree with this. 2308 02:05:34.952 --> 02:05:38.012 Hang on, let me read this. My eyes aren't what they used to be. 2309 02:05:39.172 --> 02:05:42.532 We agree with this to allow us more time to continue to clean up the site and get 2310 02:05:42.552 --> 02:05:44.892 it organized as shown on the site plan. 2311 02:05:44.902 --> 02:05:48.501 The owner has indicated to me that it should be cleaned up by the middle of June, 2312 02:05:49.212 --> 02:05:53.112 so we plan to wait for this to happen and to make any necessary changes to the 2313 02:05:53.152 --> 02:05:56.092 site plan, and then circle back with the planning department at that time, 2314 02:05:56.672 --> 02:05:59.952 determine after that the appropriate date to come back to the planning 2315 02:06:00.032 --> 02:06:01.432 commission. 2316 02:06:07.232 --> 02:06:08.512 Thank you, sir. Correspondence? 2317 02:06:08.602 --> 02:06:10.452 Do you want us to read correspondence? 2318 02:06:13.212 --> 02:06:13.532 We're still 2319 02:06:14.432 --> 02:06:17.392 going to have a public hearing, let the public speak on this item. 2320 02:06:17.552 --> 02:06:20.231 So read the correspondence. Okay. 2321 02:06:21.392 --> 02:06:21.671 Okay. 2322 02:06:22.732 --> 02:06:24.962 Texas Current Building. "Building has no issues. 2323 02:06:25.092 --> 02:06:28.492 AT&T does not object to the proposed expanded storage. 2324 02:06:28.872 --> 02:06:30.312 We have facilities in the area, 2325 02:06:32.952 --> 02:06:36.892 but they should not be affected." Comcast, "We have aerial facilities in the area, 2326 02:06:38.032 --> 02:06:41.092 but we have no conflicts with the proposal." DTE. 2327 02:06:41.402 --> 02:06:44.712 "DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for expanded 2328 02:06:44.952 --> 02:06:48.772 outdoor storage. DTE has no objection to this request 2329 02:06:48.852 --> 02:06:52.492 impacting 6732 Maxwell Avenue, Section 33, 2330 02:06:52.772 --> 02:06:56.512 per the site plan provided. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to 2331 02:06:56.552 --> 02:06:57.252 contact me, 2332 02:06:57.812 --> 02:07:00.842 586-783-1978." 2333 02:07:02.012 --> 02:07:05.672 MCPWO. "The Macomb County Public Works Office has 2334 02:07:05.732 --> 02:07:08.992 reviewed the site plan for the project referenced above and has 2335 02:07:09.032 --> 02:07:12.932 determined the proposed site disturbance is less than one acre and will 2336 02:07:12.952 --> 02:07:15.452 not require a stormwater review from this office. 2337 02:07:15.992 --> 02:07:19.432 If a no objection letter is required, please forward your request to 2338 02:07:19.492 --> 02:07:22.972 wesley.jonick@macombgov.org. Prior to 2339 02:07:23.012 --> 02:07:26.892 construction, a soil erosion permit may be required from this office. 2340 02:07:27.392 --> 02:07:29.652 Contact our soil erosion department at 2341 02:07:29.812 --> 02:07:33.752 586-469-5327 for more 2342 02:07:33.812 --> 02:07:36.552 information regarding same." Thank you. 2343 02:07:36.632 --> 02:07:37.552 Thank you. 2344 02:07:39.612 --> 02:07:40.872 Planning department's recommendation? 2345 02:07:49.992 --> 02:07:53.402 Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows. 2346 02:07:53.472 --> 02:07:56.872 It is recommended that the site plan for 2347 02:07:56.972 --> 02:08:00.632 expanded outdoor storage be postponed for the 2348 02:08:00.672 --> 02:08:01.572 following reasons. 2349 02:08:02.732 --> 02:08:06.092 The planning staff has inspected the site and provided the planning 2350 02:08:06.432 --> 02:08:10.368 commission with current photosThe on-site 2351 02:08:10.428 --> 02:08:14.088 inspection and photos clearly verify that the entire 2352 02:08:14.148 --> 02:08:17.188 site is in violation of the court 2353 02:08:17.268 --> 02:08:20.888 order on March 2nd of 2354 02:08:21.208 --> 02:08:22.388 2026. 2355 02:08:23.808 --> 02:08:27.248 The planning director recommends that this 2356 02:08:27.648 --> 02:08:31.168 site plan be postponed until a time when the 2357 02:08:31.448 --> 02:08:35.068 zoning section of the building division and Judge 2358 02:08:35.168 --> 02:08:35.528 Bida 2359 02:08:36.528 --> 02:08:40.388 are satisfied that the site is in compliance 2360 02:08:40.648 --> 02:08:44.028 with the zoning ordinance, other city 2361 02:08:44.088 --> 02:08:46.628 ordinances, and court requirements. 2362 02:08:49.068 --> 02:08:51.688 The planning staff will perform its own inspection 2363 02:08:53.148 --> 02:08:54.568 of the site prior to 2364 02:08:56.288 --> 02:09:00.068 July 13th of 2026. And I'll 2365 02:09:00.108 --> 02:09:02.748 just comment on what Mr. Story said. 2366 02:09:03.228 --> 02:09:06.928 So our inspection may take place closer to being 2367 02:09:06.988 --> 02:09:08.888 in June, hopefully. 2368 02:09:09.788 --> 02:09:10.068 Yes. 2369 02:09:11.688 --> 02:09:13.508 Of the planning commission. Okay. 2370 02:09:13.628 --> 02:09:17.358 The staff shall report its findings at 2371 02:09:17.448 --> 02:09:21.068 that meeting. That's the July 13th meeting. 2372 02:09:21.448 --> 02:09:22.108 Maybe change. 2373 02:09:24.408 --> 02:09:28.268 Providing an update of progress for bringing the site 2374 02:09:28.328 --> 02:09:32.248 into compliance. If the site is in compliance, then 2375 02:09:32.268 --> 02:09:35.448 the item will be rescheduled on a future agenda. 2376 02:09:36.608 --> 02:09:40.248 If, however, the planning commission chooses to approve the site 2377 02:09:40.288 --> 02:09:40.648 plan, 2378 02:09:42.028 --> 02:09:45.848 it will be with the standard conditions of the planning commission, and more 2379 02:09:46.028 --> 02:09:49.668 specifically, number one, five copies of revised site 2380 02:09:49.688 --> 02:09:52.748 plans shall be submitted indicating the following. 2381 02:09:53.768 --> 02:09:57.608 A, the words light industrial shall be added 2382 02:09:57.888 --> 02:10:01.688 to the M1 zone designation in the site data 2383 02:10:01.768 --> 02:10:02.128 chart. 2384 02:10:03.608 --> 02:10:07.328 1B, a note shall be provided on the site 2385 02:10:07.888 --> 02:10:11.848 stating all landscaped areas shall be automatically irrigated. 2386 02:10:12.608 --> 02:10:16.388 1C, the driveway approach measures 80 feet in 2387 02:10:16.468 --> 02:10:20.047 length. The east 20 feet 2388 02:10:20.808 --> 02:10:24.528 shall be removed and replaced with straight street curving 2389 02:10:25.028 --> 02:10:28.908 and landscaping materials and noted on the 2390 02:10:28.968 --> 02:10:32.648 site plan. And obviously, that's because this is too wide 2391 02:10:33.308 --> 02:10:33.468 a 2392 02:10:34.808 --> 02:10:37.168 driveway that's out to Maxwell. 2393 02:10:38.928 --> 02:10:42.628 1D, a driveway approach measuring 25 feet in 2394 02:10:42.688 --> 02:10:46.528 length and beginning 50 feet from the east property 2395 02:10:46.588 --> 02:10:50.148 line shall be removed and replaced with straight 2396 02:10:50.228 --> 02:10:54.208 street curving and landscaping materials and noted on 2397 02:10:54.248 --> 02:10:54.868 the plan. 2398 02:10:56.428 --> 02:11:00.148 1E, the west 37 feet of the fence 2399 02:11:01.128 --> 02:11:04.288 and sliding gate set back seven feet and 2400 02:11:04.348 --> 02:11:07.508 parallel to the north property line, that's 2401 02:11:07.568 --> 02:11:11.248 Maxwell Avenue, shall be relocated to 2402 02:11:11.348 --> 02:11:13.228 a 10-foot setback 2403 02:11:14.048 --> 02:11:16.988 from the north property line. This is a 2404 02:11:17.048 --> 02:11:20.748 requirement/condition of the zoning 2405 02:11:20.888 --> 02:11:21.798 board of appeals. 2406 02:11:23.448 --> 02:11:24.288 Condition two, 2407 02:11:25.988 --> 02:11:27.828 the petitioner indicates 2408 02:11:28.748 --> 02:11:31.748 on the plan that he would like to vacate the north-south 2409 02:11:31.888 --> 02:11:35.528 18-foot-wide public alley located along the 2410 02:11:35.588 --> 02:11:39.048 west property line of the property and 2411 02:11:39.088 --> 02:11:41.768 between Maxwell and Cadillac Avenues. 2412 02:11:42.808 --> 02:11:46.728 The petitioner may obtain an application from the planning department to 2413 02:11:46.768 --> 02:11:49.368 begin the process of vacating the alley. 2414 02:11:51.548 --> 02:11:55.048 Number three, the following variances may need to be 2415 02:11:55.108 --> 02:11:58.958 obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior to the release of the 2416 02:11:59.028 --> 02:12:01.568 site plan to the building division. 2417 02:12:01.908 --> 02:12:02.428 And they are, 2418 02:12:03.348 --> 02:12:05.328 A, to have outdoor storage 2419 02:12:06.208 --> 02:12:10.168 within 13 feet of the north, and that's front property line, 2420 02:12:10.248 --> 02:12:11.568 which is also Maxwell. 2421 02:12:13.268 --> 02:12:16.948 3B, to permit all of the outdoor 2422 02:12:17.028 --> 02:12:19.928 storage area to have gravel surfaces. 2423 02:12:21.008 --> 02:12:22.088 3C, to permit 2424 02:12:22.508 --> 02:12:26.468 5,733.5 square 2425 02:12:26.568 --> 02:12:27.547 feet of additional 2426 02:12:28.388 --> 02:12:30.308 outdoor storage area. 2427 02:12:31.148 --> 02:12:35.008 If approved, the variances shall be added to the revised site plan. 2428 02:12:36.148 --> 02:12:38.988 And so condition number four, a performance bond 2429 02:12:39.808 --> 02:12:43.688 in the amount of $1,200 shall be posted 2430 02:12:44.288 --> 02:12:47.488 according to the estimated cost of $40,000 2431 02:12:48.168 --> 02:12:50.218 by the petitioner. So with that, Mr. 2432 02:12:50.468 --> 02:12:51.638 Chair, the recommendation 2433 02:12:52.468 --> 02:12:53.008 is submitted. 2434 02:12:53.398 --> 02:12:54.108 Thank you, Mr. Ware. 2435 02:12:54.388 --> 02:12:54.648 Thank you. 2436 02:12:57.057 --> 02:12:59.898 This is a public hearing. Anyone like to come up and speak? 2437 02:13:00.028 --> 02:13:02.608 Come up, state your name and address for the record, and you have three minutes to 2438 02:13:02.688 --> 02:13:02.928 speak. 2439 02:13:03.348 --> 02:13:06.968 Hi, my name is Violet Anker. I live at 6759 Cadillac. 2440 02:13:07.628 --> 02:13:09.488 The back of my house faces 2441 02:13:10.588 --> 02:13:11.248 this company, 2442 02:13:12.048 --> 02:13:14.808 and I've lived in my house for over 40 years. 2443 02:13:15.068 --> 02:13:16.548 I've never had problems until 2444 02:13:17.408 --> 02:13:17.468 Mr. 2445 02:13:19.708 --> 02:13:23.308 Ron had done all this stuff. We have rats 2446 02:13:23.528 --> 02:13:27.368 horribly over there. I actually gave you guys pictures of what my 2447 02:13:27.448 --> 02:13:31.288 yard looks like, whether we look through the windows or outside. 2448 02:13:31.858 --> 02:13:35.728 It's a junkyard. If he's supposed to be a high 2449 02:13:35.788 --> 02:13:39.588 low place, why does he have all those beat-out cars that's been 2450 02:13:39.628 --> 02:13:43.528 there for years? And then the privacy fence that he was supposed 2451 02:13:43.568 --> 02:13:47.388 to put up, he stopped at my area. I did talk to 2452 02:13:47.428 --> 02:13:51.128 him regarding that. He told me the city told him he did not have to 2453 02:13:51.168 --> 02:13:51.568 finish. 2454 02:13:53.168 --> 02:13:56.868 But the rats are so bad that they've actually ripped our screen-in 2455 02:13:56.928 --> 02:13:59.348 porch, and they've come in on our screen-in porch. 2456 02:13:59.728 --> 02:14:02.848 We have Ring cameras, we've set them out, and we've seen them. 2457 02:14:04.488 --> 02:14:07.708 So it's like this matter it really needs to be clean. 2458 02:14:07.768 --> 02:14:11.380 To sit there and have to look at thisDay after day. 2459 02:14:11.410 --> 02:14:15.360 Any time. Then they're working at 9:00 at night, I can hear 2460 02:14:15.400 --> 02:14:18.460 them out there. I've heard them as late as midnight. 2461 02:14:19.440 --> 02:14:20.110 And also, 2462 02:14:20.910 --> 02:14:24.900 our houses connect. If there's a fire, how can a fire 2463 02:14:24.940 --> 02:14:28.850 truck get back there if they have to get to the backs of any of our houses, and 2464 02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:30.400 if they want to start blocking more? 2465 02:14:32.180 --> 02:14:32.560 Thank you. 2466 02:14:33.640 --> 02:14:34.020 Thank you. 2467 02:14:36.140 --> 02:14:38.300 Here you go. 2468 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:42.020 Go ahead. 2469 02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:48.320 My name is Barbara Blair from 6798 Maxwell. 2470 02:14:50.160 --> 02:14:53.520 My concern is he has 2471 02:14:53.540 --> 02:14:55.800 semis coming down the street. 2472 02:14:56.700 --> 02:15:00.600 There's hi-los all up and down in front 2473 02:15:00.640 --> 02:15:01.680 of his area. 2474 02:15:03.480 --> 02:15:07.200 They're leaving trash and stuff on the streets. 2475 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.720 The rats are out of 2476 02:15:11.760 --> 02:15:15.700 control with all the harborage that he has, the areas 2477 02:15:15.759 --> 02:15:18.440 he has for them to live in, 2478 02:15:20.400 --> 02:15:20.680 and 2479 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:25.620 it's a disaster over there. I'm ashamed that that is on our 2480 02:15:25.660 --> 02:15:26.140 block. 2481 02:15:27.460 --> 02:15:27.900 Thank you. 2482 02:15:29.900 --> 02:15:30.240 Thank you. 2483 02:15:32.000 --> 02:15:35.300 Hi, my name is Megan Vanest. I live at 6779 Cadillac. 2484 02:15:37.260 --> 02:15:38.640 My house 2485 02:15:39.680 --> 02:15:41.500 backs up to the property 2486 02:15:42.740 --> 02:15:46.420 in question. Historically, unfortunately, 6832 2487 02:15:46.460 --> 02:15:49.600 Sherwood has proven to be a not great neighbor. 2488 02:15:50.200 --> 02:15:53.900 We keep revisiting the idea of some form of outdoor storage, 2489 02:15:54.640 --> 02:15:58.520 zoning change, or expansion every couple of years. It's never approved. 2490 02:15:59.400 --> 02:16:01.660 The property continues to be used as a junkyard. 2491 02:16:02.280 --> 02:16:03.960 It sounds like you guys don't need my pictures. 2492 02:16:06.040 --> 02:16:10.030 Despite promises by the city to ticket the owner into compliance, I'd 2493 02:16:10.080 --> 02:16:13.760 urge the city not to allow any type of additional zoning, as the 2494 02:16:13.780 --> 02:16:16.700 boundaries of the current zoning have yet to be respected. 2495 02:16:17.210 --> 02:16:21.020 They have never been respected. Like Violet said, the 2496 02:16:21.060 --> 02:16:24.580 entirety of Cadillac Street are row houses. 2497 02:16:24.860 --> 02:16:28.080 They are all connected. That alleyway 2498 02:16:28.200 --> 02:16:29.500 is 2499 02:16:30.720 --> 02:16:33.020 a safety concern. If there is a fire 2500 02:16:34.041 --> 02:16:37.300 and that fence is expanded, 2501 02:16:38.600 --> 02:16:40.740 we do the maintenance on it, by the way. 2502 02:16:42.840 --> 02:16:43.220 We do. 2503 02:16:44.580 --> 02:16:44.980 Then 2504 02:16:46.861 --> 02:16:48.580 how are they going to get through? A firetruck. 2505 02:16:48.640 --> 02:16:49.569 That can't be expanded 2506 02:16:50.380 --> 02:16:54.240 either way. Not that way, not that way. So, that is a good point. 2507 02:16:56.729 --> 02:17:00.480 But yeah, if we need additional pictures, the same things, an 2508 02:17:00.660 --> 02:17:04.441 RV, a party bike 2509 02:17:04.640 --> 02:17:07.820 bus that you drive around on your 2510 02:17:08.281 --> 02:17:11.290 drinking party bike that you see where 2511 02:17:12.281 --> 02:17:15.720 a lot of people get on and drive around the city or whatever. 2512 02:17:16.290 --> 02:17:17.861 One of those sat back there for years. 2513 02:17:18.861 --> 02:17:21.220 It's already an outdoor storage. 2514 02:17:23.260 --> 02:17:24.810 I don't even know what that means, 2515 02:17:26.420 --> 02:17:26.541 so 2516 02:17:27.420 --> 02:17:28.281 please don't do this. 2517 02:17:29.480 --> 02:17:31.820 We already have a not great neighbor. We don't need it worse. 2518 02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:34.320 Thank you. 2519 02:17:37.180 --> 02:17:38.441 Anyone else like to speak on this item? 2520 02:17:41.500 --> 02:17:43.180 Seeing none, we're going to turn it over to commission. 2521 02:17:45.380 --> 02:17:49.371 That was a motion by our planning department to postpone this because he's 2522 02:17:49.420 --> 02:17:53.270 got things he's got to do. Zoning's got requirements they 2523 02:17:53.300 --> 02:17:53.840 have to meet. 2524 02:17:54.680 --> 02:17:56.640 He's got court orders he has to meet, 2525 02:17:57.580 --> 02:17:57.960 and 2526 02:17:58.820 --> 02:18:00.220 he's going to need some time to do this. 2527 02:18:01.281 --> 02:18:02.210 So what we're going to do- 2528 02:18:02.861 --> 02:18:03.340 Is motion- 2529 02:18:03.441 --> 02:18:04.069 ... is have a motion to 2530 02:18:05.820 --> 02:18:06.660 postpone this. 2531 02:18:07.880 --> 02:18:09.281 He says he can have it by June. 2532 02:18:10.781 --> 02:18:13.180 I don't really know if he's going to have everything done by June. 2533 02:18:14.320 --> 02:18:17.000 So we may postpone it indefinitely- 2534 02:18:17.621 --> 02:18:17.880 Yeah 2535 02:18:17.900 --> 02:18:21.150 ... until we have a certain date that everything's been taken care of, 2536 02:18:22.320 --> 02:18:24.160 and then we'll go from there. 2537 02:18:24.541 --> 02:18:28.319 Mr. Chair. Part of the motion, just want to make the commission aware that 2538 02:18:28.380 --> 02:18:32.000 site plan approval is a part of the petitioner achieving 2539 02:18:32.060 --> 02:18:33.080 compliance in court. 2540 02:18:34.920 --> 02:18:36.660 So if a date could be set 2541 02:18:37.541 --> 02:18:40.840 rather soon, that would be beneficial. 2542 02:18:41.820 --> 02:18:45.541 Well, the planning department was planning on going and re-inspecting it on July 2543 02:18:45.600 --> 02:18:46.160 13th. 2544 02:18:47.180 --> 02:18:51.000 We can use that as a date, and if he gets it done sooner, then we 2545 02:18:51.041 --> 02:18:53.840 can have it re-inspected and maybe it can come sooner. 2546 02:18:53.880 --> 02:18:54.570 But other than that, 2547 02:18:55.600 --> 02:18:59.100 to me, that would be a date that he could stick by for now. 2548 02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:01.041 Mr. Chair, just- 2549 02:19:01.420 --> 02:19:01.779 Do I turn this down? 2550 02:19:01.791 --> 02:19:03.600 ... because I've talked about it and I should... 2551 02:19:03.781 --> 02:19:05.080 Okay. 2552 02:19:05.100 --> 02:19:06.060 You know. 2553 02:19:08.480 --> 02:19:09.201 Sorry about that. 2554 02:19:10.980 --> 02:19:12.480 Rules, I'm telling you. 2555 02:19:14.000 --> 02:19:17.100 All right, she can hear me now. And so Mr. 2556 02:19:17.380 --> 02:19:18.510 Story talked about 2557 02:19:19.941 --> 02:19:23.361 them or the owner getting it cleaned up. 2558 02:19:23.800 --> 02:19:27.300 I don't know if that's going to happen that soon, but by mid-June, 2559 02:19:27.941 --> 02:19:28.480 or at least 2560 02:19:29.701 --> 02:19:31.320 reasonably cleaned up. We'll see. 2561 02:19:32.361 --> 02:19:35.320 But if that happens and it seems 2562 02:19:35.380 --> 02:19:39.250 acceptable to us, maybe we'll have one of you guys go out with 2563 02:19:39.281 --> 02:19:40.281 us and we'll take a look 2564 02:19:41.140 --> 02:19:44.920 at that time and see if we can get it back on the agenda sooner. 2565 02:19:45.220 --> 02:19:45.480 But 2566 02:19:46.380 --> 02:19:49.800 we can't mark a date at this point in time. 2567 02:19:50.840 --> 02:19:50.990 But- 2568 02:19:51.280 --> 02:19:52.420 It all depends on what the 2569 02:19:53.360 --> 02:19:55.560 petitioner does, and I have no... 2570 02:19:57.720 --> 02:20:01.520 You're going to have to have faith in the fact that that's going to happen. 2571 02:20:01.560 --> 02:20:05.470 If they clean it up reasonably well, then we can put 2572 02:20:05.520 --> 02:20:07.180 it on for another one sooner. 2573 02:20:08.120 --> 02:20:09.000 That's the best I can do. 2574 02:20:09.020 --> 02:20:09.560 Mr. Chair. 2575 02:20:09.660 --> 02:20:11.220 Postpone, like uncertain. 2576 02:20:11.860 --> 02:20:13.920 Mr. Chair, I have a question. Can I? 2577 02:20:15.884 --> 02:20:18.744 Well, we can postpone it indefinitely. 2578 02:20:19.584 --> 02:20:23.544 I have a question to our attorney. So far, I know that when we postpone, 2579 02:20:23.604 --> 02:20:27.254 we must have to mention the date. If I'm wrong, can I please- 2580 02:20:28.044 --> 02:20:31.554 There is such a thing as postpone indefinitely, but I strongly 2581 02:20:31.584 --> 02:20:33.384 encourage the commission to set a date. 2582 02:20:35.704 --> 02:20:35.944 Well, 2583 02:20:37.644 --> 02:20:39.584 how is our July 13th meeting, Mr. Story? 2584 02:20:41.284 --> 02:20:41.294 July. 2585 02:20:41.324 --> 02:20:41.894 Let's do it. 2586 02:20:42.084 --> 02:20:43.404 We can do it July 13th. 2587 02:20:43.724 --> 02:20:43.964 Okay. 2588 02:20:44.124 --> 02:20:44.724 I guess. 2589 02:20:45.144 --> 02:20:47.144 Mr. Chair, can we do two months out? 2590 02:20:47.284 --> 02:20:49.844 Give them enough time, not just six weeks. 2591 02:20:50.484 --> 02:20:51.304 Man. 2592 02:20:51.424 --> 02:20:53.184 Yeah, I think it will be best idea. 2593 02:20:53.364 --> 02:20:54.184 Yeah. 2594 02:20:54.264 --> 02:20:55.244 August. 2595 02:20:55.254 --> 02:20:55.254 Go out- 2596 02:20:55.254 --> 02:20:55.464 August. 2597 02:20:56.884 --> 02:20:57.744 So what are you suggesting? 2598 02:20:58.864 --> 02:20:59.584 Not July 13th. 2599 02:20:59.624 --> 02:21:00.364 Mr. Chair? 2600 02:21:00.424 --> 02:21:00.524 Yes. 2601 02:21:00.804 --> 02:21:04.644 If it's the 13th, July 13th, it's a date 2602 02:21:04.684 --> 02:21:06.704 certain. So if that's what you want to use. 2603 02:21:07.104 --> 02:21:10.444 I think we should do a date certain, because if we drag it on any longer than that, 2604 02:21:11.224 --> 02:21:13.784 it's not going to put pressure on him to do what he needs to do. 2605 02:21:13.864 --> 02:21:14.604 All right, so a 2606 02:21:15.844 --> 02:21:18.484 postponement, date certain to the 13th- 2607 02:21:18.884 --> 02:21:19.324 Of July 2608 02:21:19.444 --> 02:21:22.904 ... and we'll expect the petitioner and- 2609 02:21:26.224 --> 02:21:27.574 If he can get his reports done before then 2610 02:21:27.574 --> 02:21:28.714 I think July 13 is enough for that 2611 02:21:28.714 --> 02:21:30.064 ... and Mr. Gerst to 2612 02:21:31.164 --> 02:21:32.824 do what's right, so to speak. 2613 02:21:32.944 --> 02:21:33.084 Right. 2614 02:21:33.464 --> 02:21:37.044 And clean that up, and probably set about 2615 02:21:37.204 --> 02:21:41.084 50 rat traps out there to try to work on 2616 02:21:41.164 --> 02:21:45.024 that problem. I'll also talk to the city about that issue. 2617 02:21:45.094 --> 02:21:46.324 Sometimes they can help. 2618 02:21:47.984 --> 02:21:48.224 All right. 2619 02:21:48.444 --> 02:21:51.564 And I'd also like to request that the next meeting that Mr. Gerst attend. 2620 02:21:54.984 --> 02:21:58.784 Because he's the one that we really should be talking to. 2621 02:21:58.984 --> 02:22:02.904 I understand Mr. Story. Mr. Story is representing him, but he's the one we really 2622 02:22:02.944 --> 02:22:03.804 need to be talking to. 2623 02:22:04.944 --> 02:22:07.484 So we want to request that he attends the next meeting. 2624 02:22:08.124 --> 02:22:09.304 I totally agree. 2625 02:22:09.444 --> 02:22:09.844 All right. 2626 02:22:09.924 --> 02:22:13.424 So Mr. Story, do your best. Get him here. 2627 02:22:14.274 --> 02:22:15.404 I'll do my best to get him here. 2628 02:22:15.604 --> 02:22:15.924 All right. 2629 02:22:17.424 --> 02:22:20.484 Okay, so that was a motion to postpone 2630 02:22:21.484 --> 02:22:21.494 by- 2631 02:22:21.564 --> 02:22:22.284 In July 13. 2632 02:22:25.763 --> 02:22:26.694 We didn't have a motion made yet. 2633 02:22:26.703 --> 02:22:27.273 We need a motion 2634 02:22:28.124 --> 02:22:28.724 to postpone. 2635 02:22:28.784 --> 02:22:31.844 Yeah. So I'll make a motion to postpone to July 13th. 2636 02:22:32.064 --> 02:22:32.464 I support it. 2637 02:22:32.484 --> 02:22:34.004 Maureen. 2638 02:22:34.384 --> 02:22:34.844 You support? 2639 02:22:35.164 --> 02:22:35.444 Yes. 2640 02:22:35.524 --> 02:22:35.764 Hawk. 2641 02:22:36.404 --> 02:22:39.514 That was a motion by Commissioner Maurice, supported by Commissioner Hawk, to 2642 02:22:39.604 --> 02:22:42.324 postpone to July 13th. 2643 02:22:45.504 --> 02:22:45.944 Roll call. 2644 02:22:47.124 --> 02:22:50.764 Maurice, I vote yes. Commissioner Hawk? 2645 02:22:51.264 --> 02:22:51.544 Yes. 2646 02:22:52.284 --> 02:22:52.904 Commissioner Ansir? 2647 02:22:53.504 --> 02:22:55.024 Yes. Postponed on July 13. 2648 02:22:55.604 --> 02:22:56.524 Commissioner Halawati? 2649 02:22:57.504 --> 02:23:00.224 Yes, to postpone to July 13th. 2650 02:23:00.284 --> 02:23:01.004 Commissioner Bonacki? 2651 02:23:02.384 --> 02:23:03.284 Yes, to postpone. 2652 02:23:03.864 --> 02:23:04.734 And Commissioner Smith. 2653 02:23:04.754 --> 02:23:07.144 Yes, to postpone to July 13th. Good luck, sir. 2654 02:23:07.424 --> 02:23:07.964 Mr. Chair. 2655 02:23:08.144 --> 02:23:11.644 Hope that he can get everything together because it's been a long time, and it's 2656 02:23:11.684 --> 02:23:15.424 been a long time being that way. So hopefully you can get it together. 2657 02:23:16.424 --> 02:23:17.464 Thank you. Have a good evening. 2658 02:23:19.484 --> 02:23:20.514 Item number 6... 2659 02:23:21.854 --> 02:23:21.854 E. 2660 02:23:21.964 --> 02:23:22.104 E. 2661 02:23:24.704 --> 02:23:28.484 Item number 6E, site plan for open storage of tires located on the 2662 02:23:28.524 --> 02:23:31.644 northwest corner of 8 Mile Road and Eastwood 2663 02:23:32.024 --> 02:23:35.584 Boulevard, 14731 8 Mile Road, Section 36, 2664 02:23:35.684 --> 02:23:38.504 Bashar Hammo and B Tires, LLC, 2665 02:23:38.624 --> 02:23:41.224 PSP260020. Thank you. 2666 02:23:42.344 --> 02:23:43.064 Good evening, sir. 2667 02:23:43.504 --> 02:23:43.514 Good evening. 2668 02:23:43.524 --> 02:23:44.764 Thanks for the delay today. 2669 02:23:44.773 --> 02:23:45.704 Hallelujah. 2670 02:23:47.404 --> 02:23:48.384 Good evening, everybody. 2671 02:23:48.664 --> 02:23:50.284 Tell us a little bit about your project, sir. 2672 02:23:50.444 --> 02:23:53.934 Yeah. My name Bashar Hammo. I own the business of B 2673 02:23:53.934 --> 02:23:54.484 Tires. 2674 02:23:55.324 --> 02:23:59.304 I've been 15 years there. I have that semi-truck for 15 2675 02:23:59.324 --> 02:23:59.664 years. 2676 02:24:00.664 --> 02:24:03.154 He came, inspector, to me when 2677 02:24:03.964 --> 02:24:07.504 soon. He told me, "No, this trailer not supposed to be here." 2678 02:24:08.704 --> 02:24:08.984 Why? 2679 02:24:10.624 --> 02:24:12.504 "This is storage." Quote. "For three days. 2680 02:24:12.604 --> 02:24:15.324 After three days, it's going to call storage." Okay. 2681 02:24:16.684 --> 02:24:17.604 We went to the court. 2682 02:24:19.304 --> 02:24:23.164 I say, "Okay, just what's the second option I can do?" 2683 02:24:23.344 --> 02:24:24.904 They say, "You can do site plan." 2684 02:24:26.944 --> 02:24:29.864 I have all manifests for the scrap tires. 2685 02:24:31.844 --> 02:24:33.264 It's a big company, first-class 2686 02:24:34.444 --> 02:24:34.703 tire 2687 02:24:35.504 --> 02:24:36.004 treasure. 2688 02:24:37.303 --> 02:24:39.344 My semi-truck 2689 02:24:40.444 --> 02:24:42.484 is not mine, like actually for the company. 2690 02:24:42.564 --> 02:24:45.604 I pay $1,200 each time I fill up. 2691 02:24:46.484 --> 02:24:48.864 They take it, like sometimes fill up of business 2692 02:24:49.724 --> 02:24:51.384 goods, one week, two week. 2693 02:24:52.304 --> 02:24:56.064 They take the loading one, and they bring me empty one. 2694 02:24:57.424 --> 02:25:00.044 And don't bother nobody. My neighbor's very good. 2695 02:25:00.584 --> 02:25:04.184 Not any complaint for 15 years. Nobody complain, 2696 02:25:04.324 --> 02:25:04.824 nobody 2697 02:25:06.244 --> 02:25:07.764 violation or something like that. 2698 02:25:08.524 --> 02:25:12.384 And I say, "It's going to hurt my business if 2699 02:25:12.484 --> 02:25:15.614 I take that semi-truck from there." It going to hurt my business. 2700 02:25:16.044 --> 02:25:17.754 All right. Thank you, sir. Correspondence. 2701 02:25:18.824 --> 02:25:21.524 Correspondence. Texas Current Engineering. 2702 02:25:21.864 --> 02:25:25.524 Preliminary review of this site indicates that planning commission approval should 2703 02:25:25.564 --> 02:25:29.434 be contingent upon the petitioner's compliance with the following condition: 2704 02:25:30.044 --> 02:25:33.184 all the parcel must be combined to conform to site plan. 2705 02:25:34.324 --> 02:25:37.744 AT&T. AT&T does not object to the proposed open storage 2706 02:25:37.824 --> 02:25:41.664 plan. Comcast, we have aerial facilities in the area, but we 2707 02:25:41.724 --> 02:25:44.264 have no conflicts with the proposal. DTE. 2708 02:25:44.664 --> 02:25:48.344 DTE Electric Company has reviewed the site plan for open storage of 2709 02:25:48.404 --> 02:25:51.604 tires. DTE has no objection to this request 2710 02:25:51.644 --> 02:25:55.624 impacting 14731 8 Mile Road, Section 36, 2711 02:25:55.704 --> 02:25:56.904 per the site plan provided. 2712 02:25:57.844 --> 02:26:01.594 If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me at 2713 02:26:02.044 --> 02:26:05.044 586-783-1978. 2714 02:26:05.644 --> 02:26:08.914 MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works office, 2715 02:26:09.084 --> 02:26:13.004 MCPWO, has reviewed the site plan for the project referenced above 2716 02:26:13.384 --> 02:26:17.164 and has determined the proposed site disturbance is less than one 2717 02:26:17.344 --> 02:26:20.944 acre and will not require a stormwater review from this office. 2718 02:26:21.464 --> 02:26:24.984 If a no objection letter is required, please forward your request to 2719 02:26:25.424 --> 02:26:27.924 wesley.johnick@macombgov.org. 2720 02:26:28.404 --> 02:26:31.864 Prior to construction, a soil erosion permit may be required from this 2721 02:26:31.964 --> 02:26:35.616 officeContact our Soil Erosion Department 2722 02:26:35.696 --> 02:26:36.036 at 2723 02:26:36.256 --> 02:26:40.056 586-469-5327 2724 02:26:40.096 --> 02:26:43.066 for more information regarding same. MDOT. 2725 02:26:43.476 --> 02:26:47.156 The property is on MDOT's road, and a permit will be required. 2726 02:26:48.616 --> 02:26:52.586 I also have, in the correspondence, a letter from the City of 2727 02:26:52.656 --> 02:26:53.916 Eastpointe that I'll go ahead and read. 2728 02:26:54.956 --> 02:26:58.586 This was sent on May 20th, 2026. "Mr. 2729 02:26:58.816 --> 02:27:00.076 Ward, this letter is in 2730 02:27:00.996 --> 02:27:04.396 response to your offer to comment on the subject application. 2731 02:27:04.796 --> 02:27:08.516 The subject address is adjacent to City of Eastpointe property that is 2732 02:27:08.596 --> 02:27:12.516 zoned MU-3, regional mixed use, modified 2733 02:27:12.556 --> 02:27:15.526 by the Gratiot Gateway Overlay. The Gratiot Gateway 2734 02:27:16.536 --> 02:27:20.496 Overlay is intended to promote a southern gateway to Eastpointe 2735 02:27:20.516 --> 02:27:23.576 and Macomb County, improving perception and creating a 2736 02:27:23.616 --> 02:27:26.726 welcoming and culturally rich environment. 2737 02:27:27.236 --> 02:27:30.816 Vehicle repair shops are not permitted in the Gratiot Gateway. 2738 02:27:31.576 --> 02:27:35.436 We request that as the Planning Commission considers this application, 2739 02:27:35.956 --> 02:27:39.456 they and the applicant consider actions to mitigate any 2740 02:27:39.536 --> 02:27:43.496 potential blighting influences from the outdoor storage of tires, 2741 02:27:44.496 --> 02:27:48.346 such as screening or other visual improvements, as well as 2742 02:27:48.376 --> 02:27:52.296 considering addressing the potential blighting influence of 2743 02:27:52.376 --> 02:27:56.216 any unshield lighting that trespasses into the 2744 02:27:56.256 --> 02:27:59.866 roadway. Black facades and enclosed 2745 02:27:59.976 --> 02:28:03.816 trash containers to ensure that if this project is 2746 02:28:03.876 --> 02:28:07.816 realized, it is done so in a way that positively contributes to the 2747 02:28:07.856 --> 02:28:10.476 public realm along the 8 Mile corridor. 2748 02:28:10.986 --> 02:28:13.636 Thank you for the opportunity to comment on this application. 2749 02:28:14.056 --> 02:28:17.726 We welcome further opportunities to partner and collaborate on advancing both of 2750 02:28:17.756 --> 02:28:21.536 our communities, especially with regard to built environment on 2751 02:28:21.636 --> 02:28:25.496 our shared boundaries. Sincerely, Paul Ulbeck, City 2752 02:28:25.576 --> 02:28:27.416 Planner and Zoning Administrator." Thank you. 2753 02:28:27.716 --> 02:28:30.535 Thanks, Madam Secretary. Planning Department's recommendation. 2754 02:28:41.076 --> 02:28:44.136 Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation is as follows. 2755 02:28:44.976 --> 02:28:48.905 It is recommended that the site plan for open storage of tires 2756 02:28:49.036 --> 02:28:52.556 be approved with the standard conditions of the Planning 2757 02:28:52.616 --> 02:28:56.576 Commission, and more specifically, number one, five copies 2758 02:28:56.716 --> 02:29:00.496 of revised site plans shall be submitted indicating the 2759 02:29:00.556 --> 02:29:00.986 following. 2760 02:29:01.976 --> 02:29:02.376 1A, 2761 02:29:03.316 --> 02:29:07.256 a note shall be provided on the plan stating there shall be no 2762 02:29:07.696 --> 02:29:11.056 open storage of tires and associated 2763 02:29:11.476 --> 02:29:13.896 materials located outside the building. 2764 02:29:15.336 --> 02:29:19.276 1B, the following changes shall be required as 2765 02:29:19.356 --> 02:29:21.656 changes to the site plan as follows. 2766 02:29:23.796 --> 02:29:26.396 Number one, that's B1, 2767 02:29:27.316 --> 02:29:30.556 no parking spaces are permitted in front of the 2768 02:29:30.836 --> 02:29:32.916 sliding overhead service door. 2769 02:29:34.576 --> 02:29:36.756 B2, a five-foot wide 2770 02:29:37.636 --> 02:29:40.956 setback area that is curved shall be 2771 02:29:41.036 --> 02:29:44.736 provided along the east and south property lines. 2772 02:29:46.916 --> 02:29:50.276 The setback area shall be landscaped with shrubbery 2773 02:29:51.196 --> 02:29:53.776 no higher than two and a half feet in height. 2774 02:29:55.516 --> 02:29:59.016 The shrubs would be spaced three feet apart. 2775 02:30:00.696 --> 02:30:04.556 Four bollards existing along the east property line, 2776 02:30:05.196 --> 02:30:06.656 and that's Eastwood Boulevard, 2777 02:30:07.836 --> 02:30:11.516 shall be removed from the site noted on the site plan. 2778 02:30:13.396 --> 02:30:17.236 B3, a note shall be provided on the site plan stating 2779 02:30:17.316 --> 02:30:18.436 the entire site 2780 02:30:19.236 --> 02:30:23.036 shall be maintained. All weeds found in the cracks 2781 02:30:23.096 --> 02:30:24.176 in the parking area 2782 02:30:25.176 --> 02:30:29.136 and along the cracks of the sidewalk shall be removed and 2783 02:30:29.296 --> 02:30:30.096 maintained. 2784 02:30:31.816 --> 02:30:35.576 B4, six parking spaces are required on the site 2785 02:30:35.676 --> 02:30:36.016 plan. 2786 02:30:37.016 --> 02:30:40.056 There may only be room for four. 2787 02:30:41.556 --> 02:30:45.245 If that is so, then a variance would be required for two 2788 02:30:45.856 --> 02:30:46.776 parking spaces. 2789 02:30:48.576 --> 02:30:52.236 1C, a note shall be provided on the site plan stating 2790 02:30:53.956 --> 02:30:57.796 all lighting on the site shall be shielded and not encroach 2791 02:30:57.856 --> 02:31:01.696 upon abutting properties. The light fixtures, pole, and 2792 02:31:01.736 --> 02:31:05.416 base shall be no higher than 20 feet as 2793 02:31:05.736 --> 02:31:09.716 measured from the top of the light fixture to the bottom 2794 02:31:09.776 --> 02:31:13.596 of the base at ground level. All glare shall be 2795 02:31:13.676 --> 02:31:16.036 eliminated from all light fixtures. 2796 02:31:16.476 --> 02:31:19.696 Upward-directed lighting shall not be permitted. 2797 02:31:21.556 --> 02:31:22.216 1D, 2798 02:31:23.116 --> 02:31:26.546 the driveway along 8 Mile Road shall be widened 2799 02:31:27.256 --> 02:31:31.216 to 26 feet as measured at the property line 2800 02:31:31.296 --> 02:31:35.216 and noted on the site plan. The driveway along the 2801 02:31:35.256 --> 02:31:36.316 public alley 2802 02:31:37.776 --> 02:31:41.036 measures 75 feet in length and shall be 2803 02:31:41.096 --> 02:31:42.236 identified on 2804 02:31:44.196 --> 02:31:45.096 the site plan. 2805 02:31:48.016 --> 02:31:48.476 1E, 2806 02:31:49.516 --> 02:31:52.736 no landscape plan was submitted. However, the site 2807 02:31:52.796 --> 02:31:56.216 plan shall indicate the following. 2808 02:31:56.296 --> 02:31:59.976 The shrubbery placed in the five-foot wide setback 2809 02:32:00.056 --> 02:32:02.756 areas shall be indicated on the plan. 2810 02:32:03.696 --> 02:32:07.496 Number two, three trees shall be planted 2811 02:32:07.716 --> 02:32:11.216 in the right of way spaced 40 feet apart 2812 02:32:11.996 --> 02:32:13.156 in front of the building. 2813 02:32:14.036 --> 02:32:17.976 One tree shall be planted in the right of way between 2814 02:32:18.036 --> 02:32:21.896 the driveway to 8 Mile Road 2815 02:32:21.956 --> 02:32:25.796 and the east 25-foot location along 8 2816 02:32:25.876 --> 02:32:28.196 Mile Road and indicated on the plan. 2817 02:32:29.936 --> 02:32:33.636 1F, a note shall be provided stating all landscaped areas shall be 2818 02:32:33.756 --> 02:32:36.972 automatically irrigated.1G, 2819 02:32:37.652 --> 02:32:40.592 a green belt or brick embossed 2820 02:32:41.352 --> 02:32:45.092 poured concrete wall would be required along the north 2821 02:32:45.852 --> 02:32:48.812 property line abutting the C-2 district 2822 02:32:49.712 --> 02:32:53.532 and one family dwellings, and the north property 2823 02:32:53.652 --> 02:32:56.832 line is the south line of the 2824 02:32:56.852 --> 02:32:59.292 15-foot wide public alley. 2825 02:33:01.412 --> 02:33:05.252 And you can see it clearly on that picture over there. 2826 02:33:07.332 --> 02:33:11.252 1H, a trash enclosure shall be provided on the 2827 02:33:11.292 --> 02:33:15.012 site with the following note stating, "A trash enclosure 2828 02:33:15.132 --> 02:33:19.012 measuring a minimum 10 foot by 10 foot shall be constructed 2829 02:33:19.352 --> 02:33:19.592 of 2830 02:33:20.552 --> 02:33:23.552 six-foot high brick embossed poured concrete 2831 02:33:23.592 --> 02:33:26.552 walls with a 45-degree angle cap, 2832 02:33:27.352 --> 02:33:30.292 have screen gates, and be placed upon a minimum 2833 02:33:30.872 --> 02:33:34.832 10-foot by 18-foot concrete pad that provides 2834 02:33:34.972 --> 02:33:37.192 an eight-foot wide apron. 2835 02:33:38.022 --> 02:33:41.562 Masonry block shall not be used as a construction 2836 02:33:41.632 --> 02:33:42.132 material." 2837 02:33:43.792 --> 02:33:44.792 Condition number two, 2838 02:33:46.012 --> 02:33:46.252 the four 2839 02:33:47.192 --> 02:33:49.552 parcels identified as 2840 02:33:50.092 --> 02:33:59.952 12-13-36-454-061, 2841 02:34:00.772 --> 02:34:01.892 062, 2842 02:34:03.412 --> 02:34:07.332 063, and 064 shall be combined into one 2843 02:34:07.372 --> 02:34:11.142 parent parcel. An application shall be submitted to the planning 2844 02:34:11.192 --> 02:34:14.892 department requesting the approval of the combination. 2845 02:34:16.112 --> 02:34:16.592 Number three, 2846 02:34:17.712 --> 02:34:20.772 let's see, the owner has cut an opening 2847 02:34:21.592 --> 02:34:24.872 for a sliding overhead service door in the east 2848 02:34:25.032 --> 02:34:28.012 elevation of the building. The petitioner 2849 02:34:28.352 --> 02:34:30.952 didn't obtain a building permit 2850 02:34:31.792 --> 02:34:35.552 for this opening. The petitioner shall obtain a 2851 02:34:35.572 --> 02:34:39.432 building permit from the building division and provide a copy 2852 02:34:39.452 --> 02:34:40.792 to the planning department. 2853 02:34:42.292 --> 02:34:46.251 Condition number four, the following variances may need to be 2854 02:34:46.392 --> 02:34:50.252 obtained from the zoning board of appeals prior to the release 2855 02:34:50.332 --> 02:34:53.392 of the site plan to the building division. 2856 02:34:55.292 --> 02:34:59.112 That is, A, the petitioner shall obtain variances for 2857 02:34:59.172 --> 02:35:03.072 the setbacks of the billboard sign to 2858 02:35:03.132 --> 02:35:05.012 the east and south property lines. 2859 02:35:05.872 --> 02:35:08.962 For B, the lot area of the site is 2860 02:35:09.312 --> 02:35:11.952 7,579 square feet. 2861 02:35:12.842 --> 02:35:16.712 The petitioner shall obtain a variance for lot area 2862 02:35:16.872 --> 02:35:20.772 being less than 10,000 square feet in a 2863 02:35:20.852 --> 02:35:22.072 C-2 district. 2864 02:35:23.652 --> 02:35:24.292 For C, 2865 02:35:26.552 --> 02:35:30.472 the petitioner shall obtain variances for the building setbacks 2866 02:35:30.512 --> 02:35:34.232 to the north, that's the public alley, south, 2867 02:35:34.392 --> 02:35:36.952 that's Eight Mile Road, and the west 2868 02:35:38.492 --> 02:35:39.412 property line. 2869 02:35:43.172 --> 02:35:45.172 Okay, we're going to 4D. 2870 02:35:46.092 --> 02:35:49.552 The proposed tire storage is not 2871 02:35:51.292 --> 02:35:54.712 a permitted use in the C-2 district. 2872 02:35:55.082 --> 02:35:57.971 The owner shall obtain a use variance. 2873 02:36:00.652 --> 02:36:01.432 For E, 2874 02:36:02.392 --> 02:36:05.052 six parking spaces are required on the site plan. 2875 02:36:06.012 --> 02:36:09.972 There may be room for parking 2876 02:36:10.012 --> 02:36:13.252 spaces. If that's so, then a variance would be 2877 02:36:13.832 --> 02:36:17.512 required for two spaces. 2878 02:36:18.492 --> 02:36:18.952 All right. 2879 02:36:20.232 --> 02:36:24.172 And so if approved, the variances shall be added to the site 2880 02:36:24.552 --> 02:36:25.612 plan. And finally, 2881 02:36:27.832 --> 02:36:29.952 number five, a performance bond in the amount of $0 2882 02:36:30.792 --> 02:36:34.472 shall be posted according to the estimated cost of 2883 02:36:34.552 --> 02:36:36.552 $0 by the petitioner. 2884 02:36:37.532 --> 02:36:41.052 All right. Now, the planning staff 2885 02:36:41.192 --> 02:36:44.912 believes that the proposed bond amount is too low given the 2886 02:36:44.992 --> 02:36:48.892 fact that a five-foot wide landscaped setback area, 2887 02:36:49.492 --> 02:36:51.732 widening of the driveway, 2888 02:36:54.532 --> 02:36:56.192 site cleanup work, 2889 02:36:57.392 --> 02:37:01.252 and a trash enclosure are part of the improvements. 2890 02:37:01.812 --> 02:37:02.712 A new estimate 2891 02:37:03.632 --> 02:37:06.852 shall be closer to $50,000, 2892 02:37:07.452 --> 02:37:11.172 resulting in a bond in the amount of $1,500. 2893 02:37:11.672 --> 02:37:12.332 So with that, 2894 02:37:13.772 --> 02:37:15.852 Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted. 2895 02:37:16.392 --> 02:37:18.732 Thank you, Mr. Werth. This is a public hearing. 2896 02:37:18.772 --> 02:37:21.492 If anyone would like to speak on this item, please come up, state your name and 2897 02:37:21.552 --> 02:37:24.112 address for the record. You have three minutes to speak. 2898 02:37:29.652 --> 02:37:31.112 Seeing none, we'll turn it over to the commission. 2899 02:37:31.892 --> 02:37:32.132 Chair, 2900 02:37:32.972 --> 02:37:34.912 I make a motion to approve with discussion. 2901 02:37:37.912 --> 02:37:39.272 Mr. Chair, I support it. 2902 02:37:40.652 --> 02:37:44.482 There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Mr. Hopp. Discussion? 2903 02:37:44.872 --> 02:37:45.252 Okay. 2904 02:37:45.312 --> 02:37:46.712 Can the petitioner step forward, please? 2905 02:37:47.032 --> 02:37:47.272 Yes. 2906 02:37:49.172 --> 02:37:50.892 Good evening, and thank you for your patience. 2907 02:37:51.152 --> 02:37:51.892 Yeah, no problem. 2908 02:37:51.972 --> 02:37:54.292 Okay. I have a few questions up. 2909 02:37:54.312 --> 02:37:58.252 As I 2910 02:37:58.292 --> 02:38:01.272 understood, you want to keep the used tires in a 2911 02:38:02.272 --> 02:38:02.972 semi-trailer? 2912 02:38:03.732 --> 02:38:03.872 No. 2913 02:38:04.672 --> 02:38:08.412 I fill it up. As soon as it's filled up, I call the company. 2914 02:38:08.532 --> 02:38:12.252 They come in, they take the full, and they put the empty. 2915 02:38:12.492 --> 02:38:13.172 That's what I'm saying. 2916 02:38:13.232 --> 02:38:13.372 Yes. 2917 02:38:13.912 --> 02:38:16.272 So they're not going to be thrown anywhere on the lot or anything? 2918 02:38:16.352 --> 02:38:19.952 No, I clean it. I see a lot of tires sometimes in the alley. 2919 02:38:20.252 --> 02:38:23.832 I take them. I see some neighbors, they got tires in the front of the doors. 2920 02:38:23.992 --> 02:38:25.492 I take them. Everybody love me there. 2921 02:38:25.572 --> 02:38:28.092 Okay. What are your hours of operation going to be? 2922 02:38:28.232 --> 02:38:30.352 8:00 to 6:00, Monday to Saturday. 2923 02:38:30.872 --> 02:38:33.432 8:00 to 6:00, Monday to Saturday. Okay. 2924 02:38:33.512 --> 02:38:37.252 And you heard all the recommendations that our planning director 2925 02:38:37.612 --> 02:38:37.912 gave. 2926 02:38:39.372 --> 02:38:41.242 Are you going to be able to meet all those recommendations? 2927 02:38:41.272 --> 02:38:42.312 Do you have any problems with them? 2928 02:38:43.232 --> 02:38:44.502 I don't have no problem. 2929 02:38:44.592 --> 02:38:44.732 Well- 2930 02:38:46.624 --> 02:38:47.284 I just need the- 2931 02:38:47.314 --> 02:38:49.124 He gave quite a few of recommendations 2932 02:38:50.024 --> 02:38:51.214 What are you talking about? I don't know. 2933 02:38:51.244 --> 02:38:52.203 Well, he just- 2934 02:38:52.224 --> 02:38:53.524 He talk a lot, I can't remember everything 2935 02:38:53.533 --> 02:38:57.064 ... Well then maybe you should get with our planning director so you can 2936 02:38:57.104 --> 02:38:57.724 understand- 2937 02:38:58.224 --> 02:38:59.184 Yeah, I know, but it's like- 2938 02:38:59.194 --> 02:38:59.674 ... before we can approve 2939 02:38:59.674 --> 02:39:01.704 ... four or five papers. How I can understand all that? 2940 02:39:02.844 --> 02:39:05.244 He's asking if you got a copy. 2941 02:39:05.304 --> 02:39:07.464 Did you get a copy of the recommendations? 2942 02:39:07.924 --> 02:39:08.124 Yes. 2943 02:39:08.584 --> 02:39:10.124 Go ahead. Okay. He's on it. 2944 02:39:10.784 --> 02:39:11.624 Okay. Well, 2945 02:39:12.444 --> 02:39:13.444 no, not the agenda. 2946 02:39:14.104 --> 02:39:14.524 Oh, I don't have. 2947 02:39:14.544 --> 02:39:15.284 The recommendation. 2948 02:39:15.564 --> 02:39:16.304 No, I don't have it. 2949 02:39:17.884 --> 02:39:19.424 I have this one. That's it. 2950 02:39:20.024 --> 02:39:23.484 Oh, you must have got them. We were told you were emailed. 2951 02:39:24.524 --> 02:39:24.654 Did you- 2952 02:39:24.664 --> 02:39:27.484 Oh, by email? Yeah, I see the email, but I didn't have my glasses. 2953 02:39:27.544 --> 02:39:28.004 I can't read this. 2954 02:39:28.104 --> 02:39:30.904 Well, see, that's why it's important that- 2955 02:39:31.044 --> 02:39:31.534 Well, honestly, you have to understand 2956 02:39:31.534 --> 02:39:33.314 ... for the discussion that, 2957 02:39:36.104 --> 02:39:36.984 being that, I don't know- 2958 02:39:37.114 --> 02:39:37.314 15 years I have my semi 2959 02:39:37.314 --> 02:39:41.264 ... maybe you can't, because he gave quite a few things that you have 2960 02:39:41.304 --> 02:39:43.764 to take care of before we could approve. 2961 02:39:45.544 --> 02:39:45.884 Okay. 2962 02:39:46.564 --> 02:39:50.484 Can I say something? Because I don't think I've met this gentleman, but I'm 2963 02:39:50.523 --> 02:39:54.284 the project architect for Camtech & Associates, and we did the drawing for you. 2964 02:39:54.484 --> 02:39:54.674 Mm-hmm. 2965 02:39:54.874 --> 02:39:55.304 And so- 2966 02:39:56.284 --> 02:39:56.904 Speak into the mic 2967 02:39:57.184 --> 02:39:57.424 ... Oh. 2968 02:39:58.624 --> 02:40:02.564 So I'd like to explain to you, that 2969 02:40:02.604 --> 02:40:06.384 they need to have a five-foot... They want you to tear up the concrete 2970 02:40:06.424 --> 02:40:10.174 along the edges of the property on those two sides, where the city green dots are, 2971 02:40:11.024 --> 02:40:14.584 and make them into green landscape berms 2972 02:40:14.624 --> 02:40:18.284 with shrubs. And then you have to add some trees in the front. 2973 02:40:19.244 --> 02:40:19.484 And then the- 2974 02:40:19.764 --> 02:40:20.944 That's the city, right? Or that's me? 2975 02:40:21.004 --> 02:40:22.084 No, that's on your property. 2976 02:40:22.594 --> 02:40:22.594 My property? 2977 02:40:22.644 --> 02:40:22.824 Yeah. 2978 02:40:22.994 --> 02:40:22.994 Okay. 2979 02:40:23.004 --> 02:40:26.364 So you're going to lose five feet on both sides of your site. 2980 02:40:27.864 --> 02:40:30.164 And then you're going to add trees at the bottom. 2981 02:40:31.564 --> 02:40:33.864 And then also you need to put in a 2982 02:40:35.804 --> 02:40:39.584 dumpster, which will be a concrete-walled enclosure on three 2983 02:40:39.724 --> 02:40:40.544 sides with a wooden 2984 02:40:41.424 --> 02:40:44.904 metal gate, or a solid gate in front, with a dumpster in the back, 2985 02:40:45.064 --> 02:40:47.214 like a eight-foot by eight-foot dumpster. 2986 02:40:47.284 --> 02:40:51.184 The dumpster is no problem, but the trees, how I going to do 2987 02:40:51.204 --> 02:40:52.174 all these trees? I going to kill- 2988 02:40:52.284 --> 02:40:52.784 That's what I'm- 2989 02:40:52.934 --> 02:40:54.293 ... the semi truck a lot. I going to kill a lot of these things. 2990 02:40:54.293 --> 02:40:56.104 That's why they've asked us to, if you- 2991 02:40:56.784 --> 02:40:56.874 Yeah 2992 02:40:57.064 --> 02:40:59.024 ... you have to agree to doing this- 2993 02:40:59.184 --> 02:40:59.264 No 2994 02:40:59.464 --> 02:41:01.544 ... in order for them to give you an approval. 2995 02:41:02.104 --> 02:41:05.824 If you don't want to agree to do this, your options would be to go 2996 02:41:06.844 --> 02:41:08.264 and get a variance. 2997 02:41:10.764 --> 02:41:14.504 I know about that. Okay. Parking lot, how are you going to do the trees in my 2998 02:41:14.524 --> 02:41:15.284 parking lot? 2999 02:41:15.344 --> 02:41:15.794 I'll just- 3000 02:41:15.794 --> 02:41:19.504 That's what I'm saying, it's going to be too tough for that. 3001 02:41:20.144 --> 02:41:23.164 Okay. The semi truck, is it going to be the tree in front of it? 3002 02:41:24.884 --> 02:41:25.784 The trees will be 3003 02:41:26.624 --> 02:41:28.164 on all... You can see where they are right there. 3004 02:41:28.264 --> 02:41:28.884 Those going- 3005 02:41:28.904 --> 02:41:32.634 I can do this here, and these four trees, I can do that. No problem. 3006 02:41:32.864 --> 02:41:34.904 Okay, but you're saying you don't want to put the five-foot berm, 3007 02:41:36.844 --> 02:41:39.004 I'm sorry, the five-foot landscaping, you don't want to do it? 3008 02:41:39.064 --> 02:41:40.384 That's okay. I can do that. Okay. 3009 02:41:40.504 --> 02:41:40.934 So is there any- 3010 02:41:40.974 --> 02:41:42.924 Can I go over there and show you something I can do? 3011 02:41:43.084 --> 02:41:45.174 I'm sorry. We weren't hired to do this presentation. 3012 02:41:45.284 --> 02:41:45.424 Yes. 3013 02:41:45.444 --> 02:41:46.594 That's the reason why I'm not... Wasn't- 3014 02:41:46.864 --> 02:41:48.764 Can I just show you, just point what I can do? 3015 02:41:48.974 --> 02:41:48.974 Sure. 3016 02:41:48.984 --> 02:41:51.304 Excuse me. Excuse me, sir. 3017 02:41:52.044 --> 02:41:52.294 I'm sorry. 3018 02:41:52.464 --> 02:41:54.384 Go ahead and point, and then I want to make a comment. 3019 02:41:55.204 --> 02:41:57.224 Okay. These here, I can do it. 3020 02:41:58.404 --> 02:42:00.304 These here, I can do it. No problem. 3021 02:42:00.664 --> 02:42:04.084 Here, I can do it up to here, but now it's blocking the semi truck. 3022 02:42:04.624 --> 02:42:06.164 How I going to get the semi truck? 3023 02:42:06.944 --> 02:42:07.164 Okay. 3024 02:42:07.664 --> 02:42:09.434 That's it. I can do that, no problem. 3025 02:42:10.184 --> 02:42:10.904 The one thing- 3026 02:42:11.184 --> 02:42:11.684 I make room 3027 02:42:11.704 --> 02:42:12.944 ... I'm just going to make a comment here. 3028 02:42:13.824 --> 02:42:15.304 I went by and I looked at the site. 3029 02:42:15.564 --> 02:42:15.704 Yeah. 3030 02:42:16.184 --> 02:42:17.184 The site is small. 3031 02:42:17.194 --> 02:42:17.824 That be all, sir? Yeah. 3032 02:42:18.244 --> 02:42:19.144 Thank you, sir, for your input. 3033 02:42:19.184 --> 02:42:19.784 I appreciate it. 3034 02:42:21.584 --> 02:42:23.604 I understand what you're doing with the semi truck, 3035 02:42:24.664 --> 02:42:27.464 and I understand right now the dumpster's in the alley. 3036 02:42:27.844 --> 02:42:28.624 I going to take it away. 3037 02:42:28.744 --> 02:42:29.664 And it can't be in the alley. 3038 02:42:29.764 --> 02:42:30.644 I going to remove it tomorrow. 3039 02:42:30.704 --> 02:42:34.324 Can you store your materials inside the building and have them 3040 02:42:34.684 --> 02:42:37.064 taken out from that way? That way you wouldn't have to have a dumpster. 3041 02:42:37.664 --> 02:42:39.724 I don't got to have a dumpster. I going to take it away. 3042 02:42:40.224 --> 02:42:41.074 You take the dumpster away- 3043 02:42:41.104 --> 02:42:41.204 Yes 3044 02:42:41.214 --> 02:42:42.224 ... so we don't need to do the dumpster. 3045 02:42:42.284 --> 02:42:43.024 No more dumpster. 3046 02:42:43.204 --> 02:42:43.504 Okay. 3047 02:42:45.344 --> 02:42:47.333 My trash, I take it to my other business. 3048 02:42:47.333 --> 02:42:48.664 So how are you getting rid of your trash then? 3049 02:42:48.744 --> 02:42:49.824 I have my other business. 3050 02:42:50.664 --> 02:42:53.424 I have a dumpster, I take them over there. What I going to do? 3051 02:42:53.524 --> 02:42:54.304 Okay. 3052 02:42:54.384 --> 02:42:57.824 I don't have that much trash. Just like one bag a day, that's it. 3053 02:42:58.604 --> 02:43:02.333 Okay. Well, if you're going to get rid of the trash on your 3054 02:43:02.484 --> 02:43:02.764 own- 3055 02:43:03.064 --> 02:43:03.664 Yes 3056 02:43:03.684 --> 02:43:06.264 ... then we wouldn't need to put the dumpster in. 3057 02:43:06.583 --> 02:43:06.864 Yes. 3058 02:43:06.924 --> 02:43:07.224 Okay. 3059 02:43:07.583 --> 02:43:08.244 Yes. 3060 02:43:08.864 --> 02:43:12.184 You've got quite a few variances here. I know it's a small lot. 3061 02:43:12.924 --> 02:43:12.934 Yeah. 3062 02:43:12.934 --> 02:43:14.924 I also know it's a non-conforming lot. 3063 02:43:16.004 --> 02:43:18.624 So I would like to make the suggestion that you 3064 02:43:19.444 --> 02:43:21.664 take this to the zoning board of appeals 3065 02:43:22.864 --> 02:43:26.564 and let them know the hardship that you're having with the requirements that are 3066 02:43:26.604 --> 02:43:29.214 being required and see what they say. 3067 02:43:30.364 --> 02:43:30.394 Who? 3068 02:43:30.464 --> 02:43:32.404 The zoning board appeals. 3069 02:43:33.504 --> 02:43:33.754 Okay. 3070 02:43:34.084 --> 02:43:37.544 Okay. They're the ones that's going to write up violations for you not meeting this 3071 02:43:37.564 --> 02:43:41.504 and not meeting that. So if you take this 3072 02:43:41.544 --> 02:43:45.404 plan to the zoning board of appeals and let them go over it, 3073 02:43:46.004 --> 02:43:49.244 they will tell you what you're allowed to do and not allowed to do. 3074 02:43:50.204 --> 02:43:51.284 Zoning, I talked to 3075 02:43:54.204 --> 02:43:55.824 the supervisor, 3076 02:43:56.844 --> 02:43:58.964 the zoning. Huh? 3077 02:44:00.384 --> 02:44:00.934 Everett is- 3078 02:44:00.934 --> 02:44:00.934 Everett. 3079 02:44:00.944 --> 02:44:01.234 Everett? 3080 02:44:01.234 --> 02:44:04.984 Everett. Yeah. He told me just the main important, that the 3081 02:44:05.124 --> 02:44:08.264 trailer going to stay how it is all the time. 3082 02:44:08.524 --> 02:44:08.534 Okay. 3083 02:44:08.544 --> 02:44:12.344 When you change it then that. I said, "Yeah, no problem." He said, "Do not move it 3084 02:44:12.384 --> 02:44:16.164 like up or down or... Same spot." I said, "Same spot, 3085 02:44:16.364 --> 02:44:19.764 I promise you that." And he didn't tell me to put the tree in that. 3086 02:44:19.844 --> 02:44:20.684 He didn't tell me that. 3087 02:44:21.654 --> 02:44:21.654 Okay. 3088 02:44:21.684 --> 02:44:24.724 And he say, "We don't mind if you're going to do it that. 3089 02:44:24.784 --> 02:44:28.444 Just do the site plan." I did the site plan. He told me what I had to do. 3090 02:44:28.644 --> 02:44:28.884 I did. 3091 02:44:30.244 --> 02:44:31.564 I spent $10,000. 3092 02:44:32.504 --> 02:44:36.484 Okay. The only thing I'm saying is, if you went to zoning and 3093 02:44:36.544 --> 02:44:40.384 zoning told you something, we need to have it in writing so we can see what it is 3094 02:44:40.404 --> 02:44:42.124 and apply it to our- 3095 02:44:43.204 --> 02:44:44.944 I can go to Mr. Everett tomorrow morning 3096 02:44:46.592 --> 02:44:46.902 But 3097 02:44:47.952 --> 02:44:51.872 with the variances that are required on this, I see you're having a 3098 02:44:51.912 --> 02:44:54.352 lot of hardship because of the size of your lot. 3099 02:44:55.312 --> 02:44:57.932 Okay. Mr. Werth, what do you think about... 3100 02:44:59.072 --> 02:44:59.352 Let's see. 3101 02:45:05.692 --> 02:45:09.492 All right. This is another one that could 3102 02:45:09.552 --> 02:45:12.072 be postponed until the petitioner 3103 02:45:13.132 --> 02:45:16.712 takes this to the Zoning Board of Appeals and 3104 02:45:16.972 --> 02:45:19.212 makes an attempt to get the variances, 3105 02:45:20.792 --> 02:45:24.692 especially the use variance for the truck that is 3106 02:45:24.812 --> 02:45:25.332 storage. 3107 02:45:26.972 --> 02:45:27.072 Yeah. 3108 02:45:27.912 --> 02:45:28.462 It is storage. 3109 02:45:29.832 --> 02:45:30.692 All right? So 3110 02:45:31.552 --> 02:45:34.512 that's what I suggest at this point in time. 3111 02:45:34.852 --> 02:45:38.572 He goes, and if he gets all the variances, he can come back to 3112 02:45:38.692 --> 02:45:40.072 us, that verifies 3113 02:45:41.532 --> 02:45:43.912 the site plan, and you can 3114 02:45:43.952 --> 02:45:47.052 give him approval. 3115 02:45:47.952 --> 02:45:50.972 And he also has to show approval for cutting in that opening in the side of the 3116 02:45:51.032 --> 02:45:51.532 building, too. 3117 02:45:51.931 --> 02:45:53.682 Well, you got to give us- 3118 02:45:53.692 --> 02:45:53.982 If that wasn't done 3119 02:45:53.982 --> 02:45:57.492 ... a building permit for that door that slides. 3120 02:45:58.752 --> 02:46:01.972 I got everything was approved. Everything was 3121 02:46:02.052 --> 02:46:05.072 approved from city. I got the green sign everywhere. 3122 02:46:06.732 --> 02:46:06.812 No- 3123 02:46:06.892 --> 02:46:08.102 I have my license and everything 3124 02:46:08.132 --> 02:46:09.192 ... the big door. 3125 02:46:09.512 --> 02:46:10.852 Yeah. It was there. 3126 02:46:11.752 --> 02:46:14.112 I have everything proof with it. It's green, everything. 3127 02:46:14.232 --> 02:46:15.572 Well, you go... All right. You'll have to- 3128 02:46:15.582 --> 02:46:17.392 Inspectors, they come in, and they inspect everything. 3129 02:46:17.732 --> 02:46:19.152 I have all the signs, 3130 02:46:20.172 --> 02:46:21.512 the green sign of the city. 3131 02:46:21.812 --> 02:46:22.772 All right. Well, if you- 3132 02:46:23.012 --> 02:46:24.192 Mr. Everett, he know that. 3133 02:46:26.432 --> 02:46:26.912 Mr. Chair? 3134 02:46:26.952 --> 02:46:27.732 You won't let me speak? 3135 02:46:28.072 --> 02:46:28.762 You can speak. 3136 02:46:28.832 --> 02:46:29.212 Thank you. 3137 02:46:29.362 --> 02:46:30.112 Mr. Chair. 3138 02:46:30.132 --> 02:46:33.512 All right. So if you have that information, real live 3139 02:46:33.652 --> 02:46:35.632 paper, that says that 3140 02:46:38.112 --> 02:46:42.032 you got approval 10 years ago, right? About that. 3141 02:46:42.172 --> 02:46:44.432 2015, it was, when you got the- 3142 02:46:44.472 --> 02:46:44.482 Mm-hmm 3143 02:46:44.482 --> 02:46:45.951 ... certificate of compliance. 3144 02:46:46.482 --> 02:46:46.482 Yes, sir. 3145 02:46:46.552 --> 02:46:47.512 We know that. 3146 02:46:47.592 --> 02:46:47.622 Mm-hmm. 3147 02:46:49.792 --> 02:46:50.992 But it's not just that 3148 02:46:52.532 --> 02:46:56.372 piece of paper or a second piece of paper that you had to fill out. 3149 02:46:56.891 --> 02:47:00.712 It's that they went and they made the inspection, and that they saw 3150 02:47:00.772 --> 02:47:04.112 that door, and they approved it. Okay? 3151 02:47:04.392 --> 02:47:04.401 I- 3152 02:47:04.412 --> 02:47:05.232 That's what you need. 3153 02:47:05.452 --> 02:47:09.302 Yeah, I have the pictures with all the green signs that you guys put them 3154 02:47:09.332 --> 02:47:09.892 on. 3155 02:47:10.132 --> 02:47:10.382 Oh, okay. 3156 02:47:10.382 --> 02:47:10.722 I got them. 3157 02:47:10.832 --> 02:47:11.192 Well, 3158 02:47:12.092 --> 02:47:13.241 whatever you have- 3159 02:47:13.472 --> 02:47:14.032 Yes 3160 02:47:14.042 --> 02:47:14.732 ... bring to us. 3161 02:47:15.552 --> 02:47:15.702 All right? 3162 02:47:15.752 --> 02:47:18.132 I bring it to Mr. Everett. He know about it. Mr. 3163 02:47:18.172 --> 02:47:22.052 Everett, he know everything, and he's your supervisor. And he said, "That's it. 3164 02:47:22.132 --> 02:47:23.032 Just do that. That's it." 3165 02:47:23.722 --> 02:47:23.722 You- 3166 02:47:23.732 --> 02:47:26.012 And I said, "Okay." I believe him, whatever he told me. 3167 02:47:26.072 --> 02:47:26.932 Mr. Chair. 3168 02:47:27.012 --> 02:47:28.252 I did whatever he told me. 3169 02:47:28.772 --> 02:47:28.992 Well, 3170 02:47:30.512 --> 02:47:33.122 we work with Mr. Everett. And 3171 02:47:34.012 --> 02:47:38.002 here we are, I'm the planning director, and I work with him, but 3172 02:47:38.112 --> 02:47:39.282 I want that information, 3173 02:47:40.152 --> 02:47:41.352 or we're not going anywhere. 3174 02:47:41.552 --> 02:47:43.072 Yeah. This is city form? 3175 02:47:43.632 --> 02:47:43.872 Well, 3176 02:47:45.552 --> 02:47:48.632 maybe that'll work. Let's take a look. 3177 02:47:49.972 --> 02:47:51.512 Give me pictures of all that so that- 3178 02:47:51.521 --> 02:47:51.542 Mr. Chair 3179 02:47:51.542 --> 02:47:52.752 ... we can read it. 3180 02:47:52.852 --> 02:47:53.152 Yeah. 3181 02:47:53.732 --> 02:47:53.892 No, 3182 02:47:55.712 --> 02:47:55.722 I... 3183 02:47:55.732 --> 02:47:59.362 Here. You can read it there. Who's this? City of Waterloo. 3184 02:47:59.472 --> 02:48:00.392 I'm not going to do that- 3185 02:48:00.472 --> 02:48:00.692 Sir 3186 02:48:00.752 --> 02:48:01.632 ... right here, right now. 3187 02:48:01.752 --> 02:48:05.732 Sir, the thing about it, you can show him the pictures, but we have to 3188 02:48:05.752 --> 02:48:07.352 have something that we can go by also. 3189 02:48:07.562 --> 02:48:07.991 Yep. Okay. 3190 02:48:08.392 --> 02:48:09.422 Have someone make the pictures. 3191 02:48:09.482 --> 02:48:10.852 So therefore, what I'm going to say 3192 02:48:12.132 --> 02:48:16.012 is maybe we ought to postpone this so you get a chance to show him all 3193 02:48:16.052 --> 02:48:20.032 the pictures. You can get the paperwork from Everett for zoning, showing that 3194 02:48:20.072 --> 02:48:21.812 everything, he's okayed everything. 3195 02:48:22.162 --> 02:48:25.092 And then you just bring it back to us, and if everything's okay... 3196 02:48:25.132 --> 02:48:28.592 You're going to have him go to, sorry, the Zoning Board of Appeals. 3197 02:48:28.692 --> 02:48:28.992 Right. 3198 02:48:29.192 --> 02:48:29.332 Yeah. 3199 02:48:29.452 --> 02:48:31.632 Right. You got to go to the Zoning Board of Appeals 3200 02:48:32.472 --> 02:48:35.452 because they're probably going to have to give you some hardship on some of this in 3201 02:48:35.492 --> 02:48:37.052 order to even okay it. 3202 02:48:37.972 --> 02:48:38.352 Okay? 3203 02:48:39.972 --> 02:48:40.942 I don't know why I'm here. 3204 02:48:40.952 --> 02:48:44.552 So if you're not sure what to do as far as the Zoning Board of Appeals, 3205 02:48:45.512 --> 02:48:49.342 talk to Mr. Everett again and ask him what the process is of what you have to 3206 02:48:49.412 --> 02:48:50.192 do to meet with them. 3207 02:48:50.752 --> 02:48:53.032 That's what exactly he told me, just do the site plan. 3208 02:48:53.142 --> 02:48:53.162 Mr. Chair. 3209 02:48:53.172 --> 02:48:53.342 Well- 3210 02:48:53.572 --> 02:48:54.902 And the trailer is going to be staying here. 3211 02:48:54.932 --> 02:48:55.552 But we- 3212 02:48:55.562 --> 02:48:56.352 We got a problem. 3213 02:48:56.472 --> 02:48:56.892 I'm sorry. 3214 02:48:57.852 --> 02:48:58.172 Yeah. 3215 02:48:58.212 --> 02:48:59.362 We can't go on what he says. 3216 02:48:59.552 --> 02:49:00.562 No. It's- 3217 02:49:01.032 --> 02:49:01.802 We have to see it 3218 02:49:01.812 --> 02:49:03.491 ... I believe him. He's a supervisor. 3219 02:49:03.542 --> 02:49:03.571 We have to see it, though. 3220 02:49:03.612 --> 02:49:07.491 And I ask him to what I need to do. I can do whatever 3221 02:49:07.572 --> 02:49:07.912 you want. 3222 02:49:07.991 --> 02:49:08.152 Okay. 3223 02:49:08.232 --> 02:49:10.432 And he told me, "Do the site plan." Okay. 3224 02:49:10.632 --> 02:49:10.682 Well, I- 3225 02:49:10.832 --> 02:49:13.992 I did the site plan. I went to city. I give him the money to... 3226 02:49:14.072 --> 02:49:17.072 I say, "Okay." Everything I did what Everett told me. 3227 02:49:17.432 --> 02:49:18.262 Okay. I believe you. 3228 02:49:18.272 --> 02:49:19.432 And I don't have no problem. 3229 02:49:19.612 --> 02:49:19.942 But I believe you. 3230 02:49:19.942 --> 02:49:22.052 15 years, I never have any complaint. 3231 02:49:22.472 --> 02:49:26.132 I believe you, but what I'm saying is we need to see it in writing. 3232 02:49:26.472 --> 02:49:27.872 Okay. Tomorrow I go to him. 3233 02:49:27.912 --> 02:49:31.302 Because if it comes back on us later, and we approved it, and it comes back on us 3234 02:49:31.372 --> 02:49:33.412 later, and they say, "Well, we didn't approve this." 3235 02:49:34.712 --> 02:49:37.032 We can't go on he said, she said. Okay? 3236 02:49:37.472 --> 02:49:38.132 So that's the reason we need- 3237 02:49:38.192 --> 02:49:38.302 Don't believe 3238 02:49:38.302 --> 02:49:39.092 ... to have it in writing. 3239 02:49:39.712 --> 02:49:39.872 Okay. 3240 02:49:40.012 --> 02:49:42.162 And it's just a matter of meeting with the Zoning Board of Appeals, 3241 02:49:43.192 --> 02:49:46.772 show them what you've got. They'll give us the paperwork on everything, and then 3242 02:49:46.932 --> 02:49:48.252 bring it to us, and we can approve it. 3243 02:49:49.272 --> 02:49:49.772 Okay. 3244 02:49:49.852 --> 02:49:50.192 Okay? 3245 02:49:50.492 --> 02:49:52.092 Okay. Tomorrow I go to Mr. Everett. 3246 02:49:52.212 --> 02:49:52.222 Okay. 3247 02:49:52.232 --> 02:49:52.952 Whatever you want. 3248 02:49:52.972 --> 02:49:53.202 Very good, sir. 3249 02:49:53.212 --> 02:49:55.252 Whatever he... I say right to tell me, please. 3250 02:49:55.322 --> 02:49:55.622 So our next 3251 02:49:56.452 --> 02:49:57.152 meeting is when? 3252 02:49:57.972 --> 02:49:58.812 July 13th? 3253 02:50:00.292 --> 02:50:02.412 We've got a lot on July 13th. 3254 02:50:02.992 --> 02:50:03.602 June 15th. 3255 02:50:03.602 --> 02:50:04.072 June 15th. 3256 02:50:04.272 --> 02:50:06.502 No, they won't get back. 3257 02:50:06.612 --> 02:50:08.872 No, they won't. That's going to take time. 3258 02:50:09.512 --> 02:50:11.942 He's got to start his application. 3259 02:50:13.552 --> 02:50:15.112 I might as well stand right beside you. 3260 02:50:16.772 --> 02:50:16.782 Sure. 3261 02:50:16.832 --> 02:50:20.452 All right. When you're going to the Zoning Board of Appeals, it takes about 3262 02:50:20.552 --> 02:50:24.492 six weeks to get on the board, on there, at the 3263 02:50:24.532 --> 02:50:28.212 earliest. So you can start counting out that way. 3264 02:50:29.592 --> 02:50:31.872 Mr. Chair, can I ask him a question? 3265 02:50:32.892 --> 02:50:33.432 Go ahead. 3266 02:50:33.592 --> 02:50:35.302 Yes. I'm asking 3267 02:50:36.752 --> 02:50:39.192 Mr. Director 3268 02:50:40.112 --> 02:50:43.712 because this is a very small business, I believe, and it's a very small lot. 3269 02:50:44.412 --> 02:50:45.492 So can he 3270 02:50:46.872 --> 02:50:48.952 sit down with you, and can you 3271 02:50:49.212 --> 02:50:53.072 escape the Zoning Board of 3272 02:50:53.132 --> 02:50:55.766 Appeal part?To make any adjustment, 3273 02:50:57.676 --> 02:50:58.256 to make an 3274 02:51:00.296 --> 02:51:00.756 approval? 3275 02:51:03.136 --> 02:51:06.986 Because you already spent lots 3276 02:51:07.156 --> 02:51:07.506 of money. 3277 02:51:08.736 --> 02:51:11.936 At this point, it's better to get 3278 02:51:14.036 --> 02:51:14.276 the 3279 02:51:16.416 --> 02:51:18.776 approval of the zoning board of appeals, 3280 02:51:19.636 --> 02:51:23.356 because there's much here he needs variances for. 3281 02:51:23.436 --> 02:51:23.616 So 3282 02:51:24.556 --> 02:51:26.416 working hard to improve the 3283 02:51:27.336 --> 02:51:28.076 site plan, 3284 02:51:29.486 --> 02:51:33.416 he can start work on it, and you'll have time to 3285 02:51:33.456 --> 02:51:33.976 work on it, 3286 02:51:35.456 --> 02:51:35.646 but 3287 02:51:37.016 --> 02:51:40.916 it's not useful. What's useful is that he 3288 02:51:40.996 --> 02:51:42.236 get these variances, 3289 02:51:43.076 --> 02:51:46.056 and then he also has his site plan fixed 3290 02:51:46.956 --> 02:51:47.316 by, 3291 02:51:48.256 --> 02:51:48.876 where are you? 3292 02:51:49.776 --> 02:51:50.896 By Mr. Graham's 3293 02:51:53.216 --> 02:51:53.516 people, 3294 02:51:54.616 --> 02:51:57.656 the consultant. All right? But not till then. 3295 02:51:57.696 --> 02:51:58.616 So he has no choice. 3296 02:51:58.876 --> 02:51:59.736 This really has to- 3297 02:51:59.796 --> 02:51:59.956 Okay 3298 02:52:00.616 --> 02:52:02.846 ... has to be looked at the way it was 3299 02:52:04.016 --> 02:52:04.996 put together. 3300 02:52:06.036 --> 02:52:06.266 All right? 3301 02:52:08.036 --> 02:52:08.276 Okay? 3302 02:52:09.736 --> 02:52:10.436 Okay. So 3303 02:52:11.716 --> 02:52:12.836 that was a motion 3304 02:52:14.376 --> 02:52:18.236 by Commissioner Halawati, supported by Commissioner Hawk 3305 02:52:18.836 --> 02:52:22.546 to approve this, but we need to really probably have it 3306 02:52:22.576 --> 02:52:24.996 postponed because of the stuff that needs to be done. 3307 02:52:25.056 --> 02:52:25.936 So do we have a date? 3308 02:52:28.116 --> 02:52:32.026 Well, the date has to be contingent on when he can get 3309 02:52:32.056 --> 02:52:33.156 the zoning board of appeals, 3310 02:52:34.356 --> 02:52:35.596 and we don't know how soon. 3311 02:52:36.316 --> 02:52:37.216 We don't know that date. 3312 02:52:37.876 --> 02:52:38.126 We don't know that date. 3313 02:52:38.126 --> 02:52:41.996 Maybe he could... I don't know if it's possible to 3314 02:52:42.016 --> 02:52:42.456 post. 3315 02:52:43.756 --> 02:52:43.996 Mary? 3316 02:52:45.176 --> 02:52:46.076 Oh, I had it on silent mode. 3317 02:52:46.156 --> 02:52:47.076 I know we can... We- 3318 02:52:50.156 --> 02:52:53.856 Is that right? That's what I needed today. All right. 3319 02:52:53.916 --> 02:52:55.316 Maybe it's possible that 3320 02:52:56.616 --> 02:53:00.416 you postpone it indefinitely till he gets 3321 02:53:00.496 --> 02:53:00.686 the 3322 02:53:02.715 --> 02:53:05.056 ruling from the zoning board of appeals. 3323 02:53:06.176 --> 02:53:08.956 And once you find that out, then we can schedule him. 3324 02:53:09.636 --> 02:53:10.916 Okay. 3325 02:53:11.696 --> 02:53:11.956 All right? 3326 02:53:12.026 --> 02:53:12.396 You agree with that? 3327 02:53:12.656 --> 02:53:14.256 Yep. I agree with that. 3328 02:53:14.356 --> 02:53:17.536 Okay, so we're going to make a motion to postpone it indefinitely. 3329 02:53:20.096 --> 02:53:23.035 Yes, I was waiting for you to address me, Chair. Okay. 3330 02:53:23.856 --> 02:53:26.126 I rescind my original motion 3331 02:53:27.016 --> 02:53:27.516 for approval, 3332 02:53:28.456 --> 02:53:32.016 and I'll make a new motion of postponement till he gets the 3333 02:53:32.056 --> 02:53:33.436 approval from the ZBA. 3334 02:53:34.136 --> 02:53:34.476 Okay. 3335 02:53:35.756 --> 02:53:36.535 That was Mr. Hawk. 3336 02:53:36.696 --> 02:53:37.876 Mr. Chair, I support it. 3337 02:53:38.476 --> 02:53:38.776 Okay. 3338 02:53:39.616 --> 02:53:43.496 So now we have a motion to postpone indefinitely till the approval comes 3339 02:53:43.536 --> 02:53:45.075 through from the zoning board of appeals. 3340 02:53:45.676 --> 02:53:45.916 Is that- 3341 02:53:48.476 --> 02:53:50.416 All in favor? No. Roll call. 3342 02:53:51.356 --> 02:53:52.276 Commissioner Halawati? 3343 02:53:52.996 --> 02:53:54.196 Yes, postponement. 3344 02:53:54.696 --> 02:53:55.356 Commissioner Hawk? 3345 02:53:55.976 --> 02:53:57.296 Yes, to postpone. 3346 02:53:58.156 --> 02:53:58.776 Commissioner Ansir? 3347 02:53:59.376 --> 02:54:00.196 Yes to postponed. 3348 02:54:00.816 --> 02:54:02.916 Commissioner Mori votes yes. Commissioner Burnicki? 3349 02:54:03.096 --> 02:54:03.856 Yes, to postpone. 3350 02:54:04.076 --> 02:54:04.676 Commissioner Smith? 3351 02:54:04.836 --> 02:54:05.656 Yes to postpone. 3352 02:54:06.636 --> 02:54:07.896 Good evening, sir. 3353 02:54:10.076 --> 02:54:10.536 Good luck, 3354 02:54:11.836 --> 02:54:14.296 and we'll do our best to work with you on it. 3355 02:54:14.396 --> 02:54:14.736 Thank you. 3356 02:54:15.426 --> 02:54:15.426 Okay. 3357 02:54:15.436 --> 02:54:16.036 Thank you. 3358 02:54:16.156 --> 02:54:16.656 Have a good evening. 3359 02:54:16.896 --> 02:54:18.815 Thank you. Thank you all. Good night. 3360 02:54:18.976 --> 02:54:19.716 Good night. 3361 02:54:20.996 --> 02:54:23.356 Item 6F. 3362 02:54:25.576 --> 02:54:29.376 Item 6F, site plan for conversion of vacant school 3363 02:54:29.476 --> 02:54:33.196 into senior living community located on the east side of Marsh 3364 02:54:33.416 --> 02:54:37.156 Avenue, approximately 517.4 3365 02:54:37.256 --> 02:54:40.876 feet north of Ten Mile Road, 25310 Marsh 3366 02:54:41.036 --> 02:54:44.746 Avenue, Section 36, Charlie Rhodus, Center Line Public 3367 02:54:44.836 --> 02:54:48.616 School, T. Van Fox, MHT Housing, 3368 02:54:48.796 --> 02:54:52.276 Inc., PSP260023. Thank you. 3369 02:54:52.676 --> 02:54:53.616 Good evening, sir. Again. 3370 02:54:54.016 --> 02:54:57.976 Yes. My name is Jeffrey Graham. I'm the project architect 3371 02:54:58.356 --> 02:55:01.576 from Camtech & Associates. I'm representing Mr. Van Fox. 3372 02:55:02.036 --> 02:55:04.466 Unfortunately, Mr. Van Fox, who had planned to be here tonight, 3373 02:55:05.416 --> 02:55:08.505 had to cancel at the last moment. He called us up and asked us to represent him, 3374 02:55:08.856 --> 02:55:11.456 which is why we're here. I'm here with my team. 3375 02:55:13.656 --> 02:55:17.476 One of the things that we gave Mr. Fox before he left was our presentation 3376 02:55:17.556 --> 02:55:19.916 boards, and he has them probably in his car. 3377 02:55:20.656 --> 02:55:24.336 So what I would like to do is, my associate here, Carter, has them 3378 02:55:24.436 --> 02:55:28.216 on the computer, and he can walk around and show you the colored renderings. 3379 02:55:28.956 --> 02:55:30.556 Is that okay? Can we do that? 3380 02:55:31.016 --> 02:55:32.526 Sure. But continue to- 3381 02:55:32.556 --> 02:55:33.796 Yeah, I will continue my statements 3382 02:55:34.276 --> 02:55:34.346 ... continue your statements. 3383 02:55:34.346 --> 02:55:34.636 Yeah. 3384 02:55:36.996 --> 02:55:40.456 Okay. The scope of work for this project would be defined really 3385 02:55:40.556 --> 02:55:44.476 as my client wishes to take the existing vacant elementary school 3386 02:55:44.556 --> 02:55:46.296 building and convert it into a 3387 02:55:46.336 --> 02:55:50.256 multifamily living for seniors. 3388 02:55:51.036 --> 02:55:53.656 The proposed unit count is currently 40 3389 02:55:54.936 --> 02:55:55.816 one-bedroom units, 3390 02:55:57.276 --> 02:55:59.956 and with some of the units obviously being ADA compliant. 3391 02:56:01.196 --> 02:56:04.976 The outside work would include re-striping the parking lot to meet current 3392 02:56:05.056 --> 02:56:08.816 zoning code, a new dumpster enclosure at the south end of the site, 3393 02:56:11.736 --> 02:56:15.456 south end of the property, a new community patio, and pergola 3394 02:56:15.996 --> 02:56:17.096 with community gardens. 3395 02:56:18.076 --> 02:56:21.536 Each unit will actually have its own personal private 3396 02:56:21.596 --> 02:56:22.195 patio. 3397 02:56:24.196 --> 02:56:27.216 As you can see, and then also the landscaping will be enhanced. 3398 02:56:27.856 --> 02:56:28.056 If you 3399 02:56:31.196 --> 02:56:31.916 go more to the 3400 02:56:33.636 --> 02:56:37.466 north, you'll find that... I'm sorry, to the east, you'll 3401 02:56:37.516 --> 02:56:41.236 find that there's two large playground areas, which 3402 02:56:42.776 --> 02:56:45.776 what we're doing is we're going to keep the playground areas. 3403 02:56:45.796 --> 02:56:49.396 We've been working with the city and the school district 3404 02:56:49.416 --> 02:56:52.456 to provide access so that residents can 3405 02:56:53.436 --> 02:56:57.376 not only use those parks, but also we intend 3406 02:56:57.416 --> 02:57:00.976 to enhance them with additional shuffleboard 3407 02:57:01.076 --> 02:57:04.980 courts and park benchesWhat we'd like to 3408 02:57:05.020 --> 02:57:05.360 do, 3409 02:57:06.260 --> 02:57:09.880 I just wanted to make a point about the school, is that the 3410 02:57:09.920 --> 02:57:11.880 school's operation never ceased. 3411 02:57:11.920 --> 02:57:15.620 What happened was that they moved to a newer facility, which is less than a mile 3412 02:57:15.660 --> 02:57:16.300 away on the 3413 02:57:17.180 --> 02:57:18.600 streets, Marcy, I believe. 3414 02:57:24.060 --> 02:57:27.420 I'd also point out that this is going to be a senior housing project. 3415 02:57:27.940 --> 02:57:31.400 Now, it should be 3416 02:57:32.060 --> 02:57:35.360 made aware that this facility will be a lot less 3417 02:57:35.760 --> 02:57:39.060 active than it was when it was being used by a school. 3418 02:57:39.520 --> 02:57:43.260 So therefore, the neighbors should find that it'd be more comforting to know that 3419 02:57:43.300 --> 02:57:46.840 the use of the building will be a lot less intense, 3420 02:57:47.200 --> 02:57:48.940 especially when we're dealing with seniors. 3421 02:57:49.000 --> 02:57:51.560 They're not exactly commuters or 3422 02:57:52.720 --> 02:57:55.189 show a lot of access, a lot of driving. 3423 02:57:59.600 --> 02:58:03.310 As far as the planning department's recommendation, we have them and I've 3424 02:58:03.360 --> 02:58:06.880 reviewed them. Unfortunately, we haven't had a chance to talk with our owner 3425 02:58:08.199 --> 02:58:08.640 about 3426 02:58:09.500 --> 02:58:09.640 them. 3427 02:58:10.700 --> 02:58:12.360 However, I've been working with Mr. 3428 02:58:12.820 --> 02:58:16.640 Van Fox and MHT Housing for decades, and 3429 02:58:16.650 --> 02:58:19.620 I've probably done 20 or 30 of his projects. 3430 02:58:20.220 --> 02:58:20.460 So 3431 02:58:21.560 --> 02:58:25.200 when I reviewed the recommendations, I do not believe that he'll have 3432 02:58:25.220 --> 02:58:28.600 any problem with any of the recommendations that the planning 3433 02:58:28.640 --> 02:58:31.990 department is asking. And we thank you for your 3434 02:58:32.000 --> 02:58:32.640 consideration. 3435 02:58:32.980 --> 02:58:34.240 Thank you, sir. Correspondence? 3436 02:58:34.960 --> 02:58:37.220 Correspondence. Taxes current. Building. 3437 02:58:37.400 --> 02:58:41.220 Building will require a submittal of a building permit, plan 3438 02:58:41.300 --> 02:58:44.820 review application for any modification to existing building. 3439 02:58:45.440 --> 02:58:49.080 Engineering. Preliminary review of this site indicates that Planning Commission 3440 02:58:49.120 --> 02:58:52.560 approval should be contingent upon the petitioner's compliance with the following 3441 02:58:52.620 --> 02:58:55.440 conditions. Number one, correct legal descriptions of 3442 02:58:55.500 --> 02:58:57.580 parcels must be 3443 02:58:57.700 --> 02:59:01.780 deputated. 3444 02:59:02.720 --> 02:59:05.800 Parcel two legal description is missing a distance information. 3445 02:59:06.580 --> 02:59:10.300 Number two, both the parcel must be combined to conform with the site plan. 3446 02:59:10.620 --> 02:59:14.160 Number three, five feet wide concrete sidewalk must be 3447 02:59:14.200 --> 02:59:17.180 provided across entire Marsh Avenue frontage. 3448 02:59:17.640 --> 02:59:21.600 Number four, based on the site plan, it appears that a portion of the 3449 02:59:21.640 --> 02:59:25.620 existing playground area deputated to be installed by 3450 02:59:25.660 --> 02:59:28.960 the city encroaches onto the school property. 3451 02:59:29.520 --> 02:59:33.340 If so, there should be an encroachment agreement between the new property 3452 02:59:33.420 --> 02:59:34.280 owner and the city. 3453 02:59:35.700 --> 02:59:39.620 AT&T. AT&T does not object to the conversion of the school into 3454 02:59:39.680 --> 02:59:43.640 a senior living home. We do have facilities in the building and on the 3455 02:59:43.660 --> 02:59:45.050 property, but do not 3456 02:59:46.020 --> 02:59:48.500 expect them to be affected. Comcast. 3457 02:59:48.540 --> 02:59:52.240 We have aerial and underground facilities in the area, but we have no conflicts 3458 02:59:52.280 --> 02:59:56.220 with the proposal. DTE. DTE Electric Company has 3459 02:59:56.260 --> 03:00:00.050 reviewed the site plan for conversion of vacant school into 3460 03:00:00.080 --> 03:00:03.220 senior living home. DTE has no objection to this request 3461 03:00:03.640 --> 03:00:07.600 impacting 25310 Marsh Avenue, Section 20, per 3462 03:00:07.700 --> 03:00:11.400 the site plan provided. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to 3463 03:00:11.440 --> 03:00:12.560 contact me at 3464 03:00:13.140 --> 03:00:16.460 586-783-1978. 3465 03:00:17.640 --> 03:00:21.440 MCPWO. The Macomb County Public Works Office has 3466 03:00:21.480 --> 03:00:24.540 reviewed the site plan for the project referenced above and has 3467 03:00:24.580 --> 03:00:28.060 determined the proposed site disturbance is less than one 3468 03:00:28.160 --> 03:00:31.230 acre and will not require a stormwater review from this 3469 03:00:31.300 --> 03:00:35.100 office. If a no objection letter is required, please forward your 3470 03:00:35.140 --> 03:00:36.160 request to 3471 03:00:36.200 --> 03:00:40.100 wesley.janek@macombgov.org. Prior 3472 03:00:40.180 --> 03:00:43.880 to construction, a soil erosion permit may be required from this 3473 03:00:43.960 --> 03:00:47.480 office. Contact our soil erosion department at 3474 03:00:47.740 --> 03:00:51.700 586-469-5327 3475 03:00:51.740 --> 03:00:54.160 for more information regarding same. Thank you. 3476 03:00:54.940 --> 03:00:57.360 Thank you, Madam Secretary. Planning department's recommendation. 3477 03:01:02.680 --> 03:01:04.640 Thank you, Mr. Chair. The recommendation 3478 03:01:06.060 --> 03:01:09.840 is as follows. It is recommended that the site plan for the 3479 03:01:09.900 --> 03:01:13.520 adaptive reuse conversion of a 3480 03:01:13.560 --> 03:01:17.040 vacant school, formerly the Roos Elementary School, 3481 03:01:17.320 --> 03:01:21.080 into a senior living community be approved with the 3482 03:01:21.660 --> 03:01:25.460 standard conditions of the Planning Commission, and more specifically, number 3483 03:01:25.559 --> 03:01:29.320 one, five copies of the revised site plans shall 3484 03:01:29.400 --> 03:01:32.040 be submitted indicating the following. 3485 03:01:33.000 --> 03:01:36.880 1A, add a column to the site data chart 3486 03:01:37.000 --> 03:01:40.940 that includes the required setbacks for the R3 3487 03:01:41.200 --> 03:01:43.180 multiple family dwelling district. 3488 03:01:44.180 --> 03:01:47.520 1B, per a field inspection of the site. 3489 03:01:48.360 --> 03:01:51.880 It was observed that the current pavement contains areas that 3490 03:01:51.960 --> 03:01:54.440 are not in too good of 3491 03:01:55.260 --> 03:01:58.800 condition. A note shall be provided that the pavement be 3492 03:01:58.880 --> 03:02:00.980 repaired and re-striped where needed. 3493 03:02:01.800 --> 03:02:05.500 1C, provide additional landscaping in the front 3494 03:02:05.560 --> 03:02:09.400 setback adjacent to the parking along Mash 3495 03:02:09.620 --> 03:02:13.600 Avenue to shield vehicle headlights from 3496 03:02:13.640 --> 03:02:15.620 the residential homes across the street. 3497 03:02:16.940 --> 03:02:20.460 Condition two, the site plan identifies existing 3498 03:02:20.540 --> 03:02:24.060 encroachments between this property and the City of Warren 3499 03:02:24.380 --> 03:02:25.100 Busse Park. 3500 03:02:26.360 --> 03:02:29.920 The petitioner shall indicate how they plan to resolve this. 3501 03:02:31.000 --> 03:02:32.380 Condition three, 3502 03:02:33.480 --> 03:02:35.680 the two parcels identified as 3503 03:02:35.720 --> 03:02:41.220 13-20-379-002 3504 03:02:42.100 --> 03:02:44.360 and 005 3505 03:02:45.400 --> 03:02:48.320 shall be combined into one parent parcel. 3506 03:02:48.840 --> 03:02:51.880 An application shall be submitted to the planning department 3507 03:02:52.660 --> 03:02:55.600 requesting the approval of the combination. 3508 03:02:57.700 --> 03:03:01.340 Condition number four, two copies of elevation 3509 03:03:01.440 --> 03:03:04.480 plans shall be provided indicating the following. 3510 03:03:05.960 --> 03:03:09.832 That's A, the proposed pergolaI hope 3511 03:03:09.952 --> 03:03:10.992 I pronounce that right. 3512 03:03:12.712 --> 03:03:13.992 4B, the 3513 03:03:14.812 --> 03:03:18.012 height dimensions for the existing building. 3514 03:03:19.092 --> 03:03:22.592 Condition five, per a field inspection 3515 03:03:23.092 --> 03:03:26.672 of the site, it was observed that there were signs along MASH 3516 03:03:27.152 --> 03:03:30.432 that read, "No stopping, standing, parking, 3517 03:03:30.972 --> 03:03:34.432 7:00 AM to 5:00 PM school days." 3518 03:03:35.312 --> 03:03:39.032 These signs are no longer relevant as the school has ceased 3519 03:03:39.132 --> 03:03:43.052 operations. The school district should request 3520 03:03:43.072 --> 03:03:46.412 the removal of all signs 3521 03:03:46.932 --> 03:03:47.792 now that the school 3522 03:03:48.632 --> 03:03:51.972 has closed. Condition number six, on August 3523 03:03:52.292 --> 03:03:52.992 22nd, 3524 03:03:53.912 --> 03:03:57.532 1961, the city council, by formal motion, 3525 03:03:57.672 --> 03:04:01.592 vacated the easterly six feet of Lots 3526 03:04:01.892 --> 03:04:04.332 124 through 134, 3527 03:04:05.112 --> 03:04:05.992 inclusive 3528 03:04:07.452 --> 03:04:10.472 of Sharon Subdivision number two. 3529 03:04:10.892 --> 03:04:11.252 Note, 3530 03:04:12.132 --> 03:04:15.972 as of May 13th, 2026, the 3531 03:04:16.012 --> 03:04:19.372 recorded resolution was not able to be retrieved. 3532 03:04:20.322 --> 03:04:23.412 The assessing department searched Macomb County records. 3533 03:04:23.962 --> 03:04:26.032 The city attorney's office has been 3534 03:04:27.932 --> 03:04:31.352 forwarded the information and will determine the 3535 03:04:31.392 --> 03:04:34.552 process of recording the document. 3536 03:04:36.592 --> 03:04:40.292 Condition number seven, the following variances may need to be obtained 3537 03:04:40.352 --> 03:04:44.112 from the zoning board of appeals prior to the 3538 03:04:44.152 --> 03:04:47.452 release of the site plan to the building division, and they are, 3539 03:04:47.972 --> 03:04:48.212 A, 3540 03:04:49.112 --> 03:04:52.432 a use variance to allow for an R3 use 3541 03:04:53.392 --> 03:04:54.872 in an R1C district. 3542 03:04:56.452 --> 03:05:00.292 7B, to waive 829 square feet of lot 3543 03:05:00.552 --> 03:05:00.852 area. 3544 03:05:02.612 --> 03:05:06.512 7C, to retain the 21.9-foot 3545 03:05:06.632 --> 03:05:09.132 wide maneuvering lane width. 3546 03:05:10.832 --> 03:05:11.232 7D, 3547 03:05:12.192 --> 03:05:15.992 to retain the drop-off area in the front 3548 03:05:16.352 --> 03:05:19.372 setback along MASH Avenue. 3549 03:05:20.612 --> 03:05:24.112 7E, to waive 19 parking spaces, 3550 03:05:24.952 --> 03:05:28.852 and if approved, the variances shall be added to the revised 3551 03:05:29.012 --> 03:05:29.712 site plan. 3552 03:05:30.812 --> 03:05:33.472 And finally, number eight, the performance bond. 3553 03:05:33.592 --> 03:05:34.972 A performance bond in the amount of 3554 03:05:34.982 --> 03:05:37.852 $138,000 3555 03:05:39.472 --> 03:05:42.972 be posted according to the estimated cost of 3556 03:05:42.992 --> 03:05:46.592 $4,600,000 by the 3557 03:05:46.612 --> 03:05:48.112 petitioner. So with that, 3558 03:05:49.072 --> 03:05:51.112 Mr. Chair, the recommendation is submitted. 3559 03:05:51.412 --> 03:05:52.172 Thank you, Mr. Wirth. 3560 03:05:52.532 --> 03:05:52.772 Thank you. 3561 03:05:52.832 --> 03:05:55.381 This is a public hearing. If there's anyone who'd like to come up and speak on this 3562 03:05:55.412 --> 03:05:58.352 item, please come up and state your name and address for the record, and you have 3563 03:05:58.372 --> 03:05:59.212 three minutes to speak. 3564 03:06:02.672 --> 03:06:06.612 Yeah, I'm Colleen Kurpinski. I live at 4978 Engelman, 3565 03:06:06.712 --> 03:06:09.552 right behind the school, since '85. 3566 03:06:11.612 --> 03:06:14.832 How many people are they planning on putting in this place? 3567 03:06:15.112 --> 03:06:16.092 The school is small, 3568 03:06:17.272 --> 03:06:20.692 and it sounds like they're going to put little apartment buildings in there. 3569 03:06:22.032 --> 03:06:24.632 I don't understand. I was thinking it was going to be 3570 03:06:26.232 --> 03:06:30.092 more of a nursing home, not a senior 3571 03:06:30.152 --> 03:06:31.872 living. Is that like 55 and up? 3572 03:06:32.772 --> 03:06:32.912 Yeah, 3573 03:06:33.892 --> 03:06:34.452 40 units. 3574 03:06:35.612 --> 03:06:38.812 40 units? And then why do they need a playground? 3575 03:06:40.392 --> 03:06:40.912 Excuse me. 3576 03:06:42.812 --> 03:06:44.272 You address- 3577 03:06:44.352 --> 03:06:44.432 Oh 3578 03:06:44.442 --> 03:06:45.962 ... your concerns to us, and then- 3579 03:06:46.052 --> 03:06:47.712 I enjoy the playground there- 3580 03:06:47.792 --> 03:06:47.802 We can ask- 3581 03:06:47.802 --> 03:06:49.042 ... but if it's a senior living- 3582 03:06:49.082 --> 03:06:49.101 We can ask- 3583 03:06:49.101 --> 03:06:51.631 ... I'm not sure what they need a playground for. 3584 03:06:51.732 --> 03:06:53.592 You address your concerns to us, and we have to... 3585 03:06:54.192 --> 03:06:56.442 The participant- 3586 03:06:56.472 --> 03:06:56.692 Okay 3587 03:06:56.712 --> 03:06:58.812 ... in the audience cannot speak out or talk to you- 3588 03:06:59.172 --> 03:06:59.381 All right 3589 03:06:59.432 --> 03:07:00.411 ... when you're discussing it. 3590 03:07:00.542 --> 03:07:00.542 Since- 3591 03:07:00.952 --> 03:07:04.452 You address them to us, and then we can have him get into it. 3592 03:07:04.532 --> 03:07:08.132 Okay. Since we live on a dead-end street on Engelman, 3593 03:07:08.992 --> 03:07:11.472 will they keep that a dead-end street? 3594 03:07:11.482 --> 03:07:14.692 That's my main concern, too. I don't want it to... 3595 03:07:14.832 --> 03:07:16.312 It's always been a dead-end street. 3596 03:07:17.152 --> 03:07:17.452 Okay. 3597 03:07:19.112 --> 03:07:22.432 And I think he said 60 units. I don't know what he said, but... 3598 03:07:23.732 --> 03:07:24.552 We can ask those questions. 3599 03:07:24.732 --> 03:07:24.852 Okay. 3600 03:07:26.071 --> 03:07:26.472 Thank you. 3601 03:07:27.432 --> 03:07:28.712 Anyone else like to speak on this? 3602 03:07:39.652 --> 03:07:43.232 Hi, I'm Laurie Zimmerman. I live at 25331 MASH, which is 3603 03:07:43.272 --> 03:07:44.732 directly across from the school. 3604 03:07:45.952 --> 03:07:48.272 My concern is the parking on the street. 3605 03:07:49.452 --> 03:07:53.372 I know when the school was there, there was no parking allowed 3606 03:07:53.432 --> 03:07:57.212 on the school side of the street. But now with the park there, 3607 03:07:57.412 --> 03:08:00.651 there's pickleball courts, especially now in the summer and the spring. 3608 03:08:01.292 --> 03:08:02.552 The street is lined 3609 03:08:03.412 --> 03:08:05.852 all the time with cars, both sides of the street. 3610 03:08:06.282 --> 03:08:10.262 The concern is if there's an emergency vehicle that needs to get down 3611 03:08:10.292 --> 03:08:14.082 the street, I'm assuming that's why the school had no parking on the one side of 3612 03:08:14.112 --> 03:08:16.582 the street, that the buses could not get through. 3613 03:08:17.292 --> 03:08:20.132 So the street tonight lined up both sides. 3614 03:08:20.712 --> 03:08:24.702 Pickleball court was full, park was full, which is fine, but 3615 03:08:24.732 --> 03:08:28.542 when the senior community comes in and they need to get an emergency vehicle down, 3616 03:08:28.572 --> 03:08:32.132 the concern is them not being able to access the 3617 03:08:32.232 --> 03:08:35.192 street because the car's parked on both sides. 3618 03:08:35.202 --> 03:08:39.072 The street is very narrow as it is. So, 3619 03:08:39.292 --> 03:08:42.052 I'm not opposed to the community living there. 3620 03:08:42.072 --> 03:08:45.012 It's better than what's there now. The school has been damaged. 3621 03:08:45.232 --> 03:08:49.192 It's graffitied. It's just constant over there with kids 3622 03:08:50.272 --> 03:08:53.672 destroying the property. So the concern is mostly the 3623 03:08:53.692 --> 03:08:56.932 parking. You got people blocking your driveways. 3624 03:08:56.972 --> 03:08:59.531 You can't get in your driveways. They're lined up there. 3625 03:08:59.632 --> 03:09:03.512 So the proposal to maybe find some kind of happy medium 3626 03:09:03.592 --> 03:09:07.582 with the parking on that street. I know the senior community itself will 3627 03:09:07.612 --> 03:09:11.442 have its own parking, which is fine for the residents, but 3628 03:09:11.492 --> 03:09:15.292 for the people that want to access Busse Park and the pickleball courts that are 3629 03:09:15.372 --> 03:09:19.212 there, the parking, I don't think should be allowed on both sides of 3630 03:09:19.252 --> 03:09:19.812 that street. 3631 03:09:20.832 --> 03:09:21.092 Thank you. 3632 03:09:21.192 --> 03:09:21.772 All right. Thank 3633 03:09:21.812 --> 03:09:27.098 youAnyone 3634 03:09:27.108 --> 03:09:28.328 else like to speak on this item? 3635 03:09:31.008 --> 03:09:32.368 Seeing none, we turn it over to the commission. 3636 03:09:33.148 --> 03:09:36.068 Chair, I make a motion to approve a discussion. 3637 03:09:38.588 --> 03:09:39.408 Support, Binecki. 3638 03:09:40.908 --> 03:09:44.368 There's a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Binecki. 3639 03:09:44.388 --> 03:09:44.788 Discussion? 3640 03:09:45.288 --> 03:09:47.428 Okay. Can the petitioner step forward again, please, sir? 3641 03:09:51.808 --> 03:09:53.868 Good evening, sir, and thank you for your patience with us again. 3642 03:09:54.428 --> 03:09:54.968 No problem. 3643 03:09:55.028 --> 03:09:58.248 Okay. You heard a few of the questions. 3644 03:09:58.288 --> 03:10:02.218 First of all, I heard you earlier say you had no problems with the majority of the 3645 03:10:02.248 --> 03:10:04.028 recommendations our planning director gave. 3646 03:10:05.828 --> 03:10:06.628 Right. And then, 3647 03:10:07.448 --> 03:10:09.708 one of the issues like parking being a deficit- 3648 03:10:10.388 --> 03:10:10.888 Okay 3649 03:10:10.968 --> 03:10:13.708 ... to be honest, this is more parking than what we need. 3650 03:10:14.128 --> 03:10:16.348 Most of the residents don't have cars. 3651 03:10:17.008 --> 03:10:17.718 And if 3652 03:10:19.668 --> 03:10:21.348 we do need to have... Let's say we- 3653 03:10:21.358 --> 03:10:21.358 Okay 3654 03:10:21.358 --> 03:10:25.018 ... set it up this way, we get the variance, and we do have a parking issue, then 3655 03:10:25.048 --> 03:10:28.008 we still have land on the south side- 3656 03:10:28.388 --> 03:10:28.558 Mm-hmm 3657 03:10:28.558 --> 03:10:30.338 ... that we can add more additional parking. 3658 03:10:31.248 --> 03:10:33.368 I've been a planning commissioner for years- ... 3659 03:10:33.378 --> 03:10:37.148 and I've always found out that parking is a self-controlling factor because if you 3660 03:10:37.168 --> 03:10:40.008 don't have enough parking, people don't show up to whatever your business was. 3661 03:10:40.288 --> 03:10:41.448 What about that dead end, the one 3662 03:10:42.788 --> 03:10:43.848 she was asking about? 3663 03:10:44.488 --> 03:10:44.908 To be honest, 3664 03:10:46.408 --> 03:10:48.718 our 3665 03:10:49.968 --> 03:10:51.558 concentration is on the site and- 3666 03:10:51.688 --> 03:10:51.828 Okay 3667 03:10:52.088 --> 03:10:54.548 ... not the city's circulation issue. 3668 03:10:55.408 --> 03:10:58.868 And as far as is this going to be based for approaching 3669 03:10:58.908 --> 03:11:01.408 lower-income seniors, or how is this going to be? 3670 03:11:04.348 --> 03:11:06.688 May I ask my staff a quick question? 3671 03:11:06.868 --> 03:11:07.048 Sure. 3672 03:11:07.208 --> 03:11:07.988 Is this going to be... 3673 03:11:08.988 --> 03:11:10.748 Is it low income or is it market value or? 3674 03:11:11.638 --> 03:11:11.638 Market. 3675 03:11:11.688 --> 03:11:13.988 No, sir, it's not going to be low income. It's going to be market rate. 3676 03:11:14.048 --> 03:11:14.928 Market value. Okay. 3677 03:11:16.988 --> 03:11:18.188 Chair, I yield the floor. 3678 03:11:18.548 --> 03:11:19.988 All right, thank you. Any other discussion? 3679 03:11:23.068 --> 03:11:23.428 Yes, sir. 3680 03:11:24.568 --> 03:11:27.128 I would like to know how many units you mentioned? 3681 03:11:27.348 --> 03:11:27.668 40. 3682 03:11:28.808 --> 03:11:31.088 So how many residents? 3683 03:11:31.728 --> 03:11:32.348 It'll be 40. 3684 03:11:33.008 --> 03:11:33.568 40 residents? 3685 03:11:33.628 --> 03:11:34.588 They're all one bedrooms. 3686 03:11:35.147 --> 03:11:35.918 One-bedroom house, right? 3687 03:11:35.948 --> 03:11:37.108 Mm-hmm. One-bedroom units. 3688 03:11:37.367 --> 03:11:38.808 Okay, one-bed units. Okay. 3689 03:11:39.668 --> 03:11:41.228 So it's a really good 3690 03:11:42.708 --> 03:11:43.308 project. 3691 03:11:43.748 --> 03:11:45.848 Thank you. We're very excited. 3692 03:11:45.858 --> 03:11:49.728 Because this building's been vacant for a while and is getting lot of problem. 3693 03:11:50.208 --> 03:11:52.848 It's making this neighborhood the mess. 3694 03:11:53.148 --> 03:11:53.708 Sure. 3695 03:11:55.448 --> 03:11:57.168 And 3696 03:11:58.188 --> 03:12:02.068 one of the resident mentioned that parking is a narrow street 3697 03:12:02.128 --> 03:12:03.728 and parking on the both side, 3698 03:12:04.548 --> 03:12:05.608 and do we have any- 3699 03:12:07.028 --> 03:12:07.128 We 3700 03:12:08.088 --> 03:12:11.628 have no need to have any additional parking on the street. 3701 03:12:11.728 --> 03:12:15.217 It's like I said, it's not really 3702 03:12:16.008 --> 03:12:19.518 in our lane. That's really the city traffic circulation, 3703 03:12:20.028 --> 03:12:22.308 and that should be worked out by the city's 3704 03:12:23.288 --> 03:12:24.948 fire marshal versus the 3705 03:12:25.948 --> 03:12:27.828 city planning and zoning. 3706 03:12:28.988 --> 03:12:30.418 So the park is good? 3707 03:12:30.468 --> 03:12:32.388 We don't need additional- 3708 03:12:33.908 --> 03:12:34.328 Okay 3709 03:12:34.348 --> 03:12:34.928 ... street parking. 3710 03:12:35.388 --> 03:12:39.268 Okay. So who's parking 3711 03:12:39.308 --> 03:12:41.128 there? It's packed, the street. 3712 03:12:41.468 --> 03:12:44.568 I assume because the lady said there's a 3713 03:12:44.608 --> 03:12:47.268 park nearby and everybody's using the park. 3714 03:12:47.388 --> 03:12:51.068 Oh, okay. I see. So it's not your project, 3715 03:12:51.288 --> 03:12:54.088 the people living in this building is not going to be parked there. 3716 03:12:54.108 --> 03:12:55.328 The building's vacant, so- 3717 03:12:55.648 --> 03:12:55.888 Okay 3718 03:12:57.088 --> 03:12:59.728 ... and we have more than enough parking for our residents. 3719 03:12:59.788 --> 03:13:01.748 Like I say, most of the residents don't even have cars. 3720 03:13:02.448 --> 03:13:05.188 That's why we need the drop-off, is because they get picked up and- 3721 03:13:06.468 --> 03:13:07.548 And dropped off 3722 03:13:07.568 --> 03:13:07.578 ... and dropped off. 3723 03:13:09.868 --> 03:13:13.658 Okay. Good. So how long you will take to finish the project, do you think? 3724 03:13:13.728 --> 03:13:15.068 That all depends on you. 3725 03:13:18.068 --> 03:13:21.728 It takes more time to get approval for a project from 3726 03:13:21.968 --> 03:13:25.308 municipal city banks than it does to 3727 03:13:25.368 --> 03:13:26.768 build. 3728 03:13:28.968 --> 03:13:29.588 All right. Thank you. 3729 03:13:30.788 --> 03:13:31.568 Any other discussion? 3730 03:13:34.648 --> 03:13:35.348 To the petitioner. 3731 03:13:36.928 --> 03:13:37.348 Good evening. 3732 03:13:37.628 --> 03:13:39.318 Good eve- Oh, and we also, thank you. 3733 03:13:39.348 --> 03:13:39.997 Now, where you going? 3734 03:13:40.728 --> 03:13:41.907 Oh, I thought you said good evening. 3735 03:13:42.028 --> 03:13:42.908 I did. Good evening. 3736 03:13:43.228 --> 03:13:43.968 Did they take it all? 3737 03:13:45.348 --> 03:13:49.108 I know it's late. Hey, my time clock ended about half 3738 03:13:49.168 --> 03:13:49.868 hour ago, so... 3739 03:13:49.928 --> 03:13:51.908 Okay. Well, let's see if we can restart it back up. 3740 03:13:53.328 --> 03:13:56.828 I do have a hard time getting in there because there's only one way in, a 3741 03:13:56.908 --> 03:13:58.608 mosh to get out through there. 3742 03:13:59.678 --> 03:14:02.588 But I did find it, and I think it's a good project. 3743 03:14:02.908 --> 03:14:03.128 Thank you. 3744 03:14:03.908 --> 03:14:06.137 My only concern now listening to the resident is 3745 03:14:06.988 --> 03:14:09.168 the people at the park are parking on the street there. 3746 03:14:10.028 --> 03:14:12.208 And doesn't the park have its own parking lot? 3747 03:14:12.728 --> 03:14:13.488 I don't know, sir. 3748 03:14:15.748 --> 03:14:18.988 Yeah. Yeah. It's not hard to- 3749 03:14:19.028 --> 03:14:20.588 I work for Charlotte Schools. 3750 03:14:20.668 --> 03:14:21.008 Okay. 3751 03:14:21.178 --> 03:14:24.758 And the problem is with the parking in terms of- 3752 03:14:25.068 --> 03:14:27.008 Can you come up to the mic, sir? Thank you. 3753 03:14:27.128 --> 03:14:30.358 I'm sorry. My name's Mike Connell. I'm from Charlotte Public Schools. 3754 03:14:30.848 --> 03:14:34.648 The reason we have problems with the parking is since they put the pickleball 3755 03:14:35.668 --> 03:14:37.598 fence up there, or the nets up there- 3756 03:14:38.428 --> 03:14:38.658 Can you move the mic, please? 3757 03:14:38.658 --> 03:14:38.908 I'm sorry? 3758 03:14:39.128 --> 03:14:40.548 Can't hear you. You're not talking in the mic. 3759 03:14:40.588 --> 03:14:44.568 So ever since they put the pickleball nets in the park there, we've had 3760 03:14:44.628 --> 03:14:48.108 all kinds of problems with people parking in the playground, in the back of the 3761 03:14:48.268 --> 03:14:51.758 school, all over the place. So that's been the big 3762 03:14:51.868 --> 03:14:55.308 issue with the parking from the city park. 3763 03:14:55.408 --> 03:14:58.028 Nothing to do with the school, it's more the city park. 3764 03:14:58.498 --> 03:15:02.288 They do have a parking lot off of Fraliano, but it's too 3765 03:15:02.328 --> 03:15:03.668 far for the people to walk. 3766 03:15:05.248 --> 03:15:05.508 Okay. 3767 03:15:05.608 --> 03:15:08.758 Believe it or not, they can play pickleball, but they got to park, you 3768 03:15:08.808 --> 03:15:12.748 know what I'm saying? So that's the big issue with the parking 3769 03:15:12.828 --> 03:15:15.348 on the street, that we've had since 3770 03:15:16.388 --> 03:15:17.388 they put the nets up. 3771 03:15:18.588 --> 03:15:21.538 So they park on the street, and then they walk through the property and get back 3772 03:15:21.708 --> 03:15:21.718 in? 3773 03:15:21.718 --> 03:15:24.408 They'll even park around the back of the school on the playground. 3774 03:15:24.788 --> 03:15:27.628 They drive all the way around the building to park on the back. 3775 03:15:28.448 --> 03:15:30.528 Okay, so then, all right. Thank you, sir. 3776 03:15:30.628 --> 03:15:30.908 Okay. 3777 03:15:31.228 --> 03:15:32.288 So then we need to... 3778 03:15:33.488 --> 03:15:35.308 Go ahead. The petitioner, can you come back up? 3779 03:15:36.638 --> 03:15:39.958 You have to put a no parking all the way down there, and it's done. 3780 03:15:40.218 --> 03:15:40.298 Yeah. 3781 03:15:40.378 --> 03:15:41.978 You have to put some no parking- 3782 03:15:42.398 --> 03:15:43.078 Put two signs there. 3783 03:15:43.118 --> 03:15:43.818 Sir. 3784 03:15:45.898 --> 03:15:46.238 Thank you. 3785 03:15:47.418 --> 03:15:48.978 We'd have to put up some signs where 3786 03:15:49.778 --> 03:15:53.338 no people going for the pickleball can park in that area. 3787 03:15:54.118 --> 03:15:54.418 I mean, we- 3788 03:15:54.528 --> 03:15:55.128 No parking allowed 3789 03:15:55.158 --> 03:15:57.818 ... we have no problem with that at all. We are self-contained. 3790 03:15:58.278 --> 03:16:02.158 Okay. Because it seems like it would be, but like I say, if the people from playing 3791 03:16:02.298 --> 03:16:05.718 pickleball are cutting through there, you need to have signs that said they'll be 3792 03:16:05.798 --> 03:16:07.498 ticketed or whatever if they park over there. 3793 03:16:08.298 --> 03:16:09.958 Yeah, I agree. That's not my 3794 03:16:11.318 --> 03:16:11.778 purview. 3795 03:16:12.318 --> 03:16:15.798 Well, I'm just saying it's something you might want to talk to the owner about, 3796 03:16:16.558 --> 03:16:17.778 to have the city do that. 3797 03:16:18.378 --> 03:16:20.518 Oh, you're saying we should get... Which is fine. 3798 03:16:20.558 --> 03:16:24.438 You're saying that I should talk to the owner and have him advocate for no 3799 03:16:24.498 --> 03:16:26.038 parking along the front of the building. 3800 03:16:26.098 --> 03:16:26.578 Exactly. 3801 03:16:26.618 --> 03:16:28.338 Okay. I can definitely pass that on. 3802 03:16:28.398 --> 03:16:32.308 Exactly. Because like I said, it is a narrow street, and it is 3803 03:16:32.458 --> 03:16:33.958 one way down and one way back. 3804 03:16:34.118 --> 03:16:35.478 Mm-hmm. No, I agree. Yeah. 3805 03:16:35.538 --> 03:16:35.718 I got 3806 03:16:37.698 --> 03:16:40.978 lost going down there myself, so emergency vehicles, at least they would know where 3807 03:16:41.018 --> 03:16:42.458 to go. But I got all turned around there- 3808 03:16:42.538 --> 03:16:42.738 Yeah 3809 03:16:42.748 --> 03:16:43.838 ... but I think it's a 3810 03:16:44.838 --> 03:16:48.778 nice isolated situation, and I think it would be good for 3811 03:16:48.858 --> 03:16:51.218 seniors because they wouldn't be bothered with a lot of stuff. 3812 03:16:51.398 --> 03:16:51.618 Mm-hmm. 3813 03:16:52.098 --> 03:16:55.838 And like I say, if they have to fence off behind it where the pickleball 3814 03:16:56.038 --> 03:16:58.918 courts are at, so they can't even get into that area, you might want to even do 3815 03:16:58.998 --> 03:16:59.178 that. 3816 03:16:59.778 --> 03:17:00.688 Right. Well, 3817 03:17:01.818 --> 03:17:05.298 I just want to make a point that we're providing access to 3818 03:17:05.358 --> 03:17:09.318 the playground areas, but 90% of the playground 3819 03:17:09.378 --> 03:17:09.678 area is 3820 03:17:10.938 --> 03:17:12.258 not on our property. 3821 03:17:12.558 --> 03:17:12.708 Okay. 3822 03:17:12.748 --> 03:17:16.618 But about 10% is, so that's why we would need some kind 3823 03:17:16.678 --> 03:17:18.478 of, to allow the 3824 03:17:19.378 --> 03:17:23.148 city to use part of our land for the playground because those are our 3825 03:17:23.158 --> 03:17:24.638 fields, and we have no problem with that. 3826 03:17:25.048 --> 03:17:25.048 Okay. 3827 03:17:25.058 --> 03:17:26.008 We'll be more than happy to work with them. 3828 03:17:26.018 --> 03:17:27.828 You might want to have an agreement with the city about that, so. 3829 03:17:27.878 --> 03:17:29.978 Oh, yeah. We'll get it written down and everything. 3830 03:17:30.018 --> 03:17:32.988 Because like I say, you want to have some sort of boundary- 3831 03:17:33.298 --> 03:17:33.818 Absolutely 3832 03:17:33.858 --> 03:17:36.518 ... to where they just can't go walk through there, park over and just walk through 3833 03:17:36.558 --> 03:17:36.698 there. 3834 03:17:37.078 --> 03:17:37.258 Right. 3835 03:17:37.538 --> 03:17:39.258 Okay. All right, thank you, sir. 3836 03:17:39.878 --> 03:17:40.478 Can I sit down now? 3837 03:17:40.758 --> 03:17:41.298 You can sit down. 3838 03:17:41.518 --> 03:17:41.698 Okay. 3839 03:17:42.278 --> 03:17:43.058 Any other questions? 3840 03:17:44.638 --> 03:17:47.928 Seeing none, that was the motion by Commissioner Halawaty, supported by 3841 03:17:48.038 --> 03:17:49.338 Commissioner Binecki. Roll call. 3842 03:17:49.778 --> 03:17:50.528 Commissioner Halawaty? 3843 03:17:51.138 --> 03:17:52.358 Most definitely approve. 3844 03:17:52.938 --> 03:17:53.598 Commissioner Binecki? 3845 03:17:53.778 --> 03:17:54.458 Yes, to approve. 3846 03:17:54.678 --> 03:17:55.838 Commissioner Ansir? 3847 03:17:55.898 --> 03:17:56.578 Yes to approve. 3848 03:17:56.898 --> 03:17:57.458 Commissioner Hawk? 3849 03:17:58.018 --> 03:17:58.658 Yes to approve. 3850 03:17:58.838 --> 03:18:00.258 Commissioner Moore votes yes. Commissioner Smith? 3851 03:18:00.638 --> 03:18:04.578 Yes to approve. Thank you for all your time and patience for this evening being 3852 03:18:04.598 --> 03:18:04.778 long. 3853 03:18:04.818 --> 03:18:05.898 Thank you all. We appreciate it. 3854 03:18:05.938 --> 03:18:06.278 Thank you. 3855 03:18:08.398 --> 03:18:11.858 Item number seven, correspondence. Seeing none. Item number eight, old business. 3856 03:18:13.998 --> 03:18:17.818 Item number eight, site plan for new multifamily development as part 3857 03:18:17.898 --> 03:18:21.538 of approved PUD, located on the north side of Ten Mile Road, 3858 03:18:23.618 --> 03:18:27.338 approximately 759.1 feet west of 3859 03:18:27.378 --> 03:18:30.158 Shanor Road, Section 23, 3860 03:18:30.818 --> 03:18:34.438 13041 Ten Mile Road. Lorenzo Cavalier, 3861 03:18:34.878 --> 03:18:37.118 Warren Ten Mile Residential LLC. 3862 03:18:37.658 --> 03:18:41.078 PSP220018 was approved 3863 03:18:41.178 --> 03:18:44.828 on June 13, 2022. First extension 3864 03:18:44.878 --> 03:18:47.688 request approved to June 13, 2025. 3865 03:18:48.338 --> 03:18:51.258 Second extension approved to June 13, 2026. 3866 03:18:51.718 --> 03:18:55.578 The petitioner is requesting a third extension to June 13, 3867 03:18:55.838 --> 03:18:57.038 2027. Thank you. 3868 03:18:58.038 --> 03:18:58.757 Good evening, sir. 3869 03:19:02.238 --> 03:19:02.618 Good evening. 3870 03:19:02.898 --> 03:19:04.438 Tell us a little bit about what's going on. 3871 03:19:05.598 --> 03:19:09.498 Lorenzo Cavalier, 30078 Shanor, Warren. 3872 03:19:12.058 --> 03:19:15.338 The project is a combination of two and 3873 03:19:15.438 --> 03:19:16.218 three-story, 3874 03:19:17.298 --> 03:19:20.418 multifamily garden-style apartment buildings. 3875 03:19:20.878 --> 03:19:23.758 There's 132 one-bedroom units, 3876 03:19:24.018 --> 03:19:26.578 132 two-bedroom units. 3877 03:19:27.858 --> 03:19:29.438 In addition, we have 40 3878 03:19:31.078 --> 03:19:33.287 three-bedroom townhouse style 3879 03:19:34.938 --> 03:19:38.718 units with two-car attached garages 3880 03:19:38.838 --> 03:19:42.198 and 59 mini storage units, 3881 03:19:43.538 --> 03:19:46.658 that are all part of a 15-acre development. 3882 03:19:48.718 --> 03:19:49.878 Thank you, sir. Any correspondence? 3883 03:19:50.438 --> 03:19:50.958 No. None. 3884 03:19:51.318 --> 03:19:51.718 Okay. 3885 03:19:55.818 --> 03:19:57.698 He's asking for a one-year extension. 3886 03:20:00.578 --> 03:20:03.598 This would be the third and final extension that we can grant 3887 03:20:04.658 --> 03:20:07.238 because you can't get extension, extension. 3888 03:20:07.318 --> 03:20:11.058 So if we approve this extension, this will be your third 3889 03:20:11.118 --> 03:20:14.198 extension, and it'll have to be the final extension. 3890 03:20:15.478 --> 03:20:15.888 Understood. 3891 03:20:15.888 --> 03:20:17.818 I know the project's taking a long time. 3892 03:20:17.878 --> 03:20:21.238 I keep waiting for the housing to pop up, and I keep looking over there when I 3893 03:20:21.278 --> 03:20:24.408 drive by there, and I don't see anything, but I know you're working on it. 3894 03:20:24.408 --> 03:20:27.748 I know costs have gone up and other things, but 3895 03:20:28.878 --> 03:20:30.358 you just have to do the best you can do. 3896 03:20:30.458 --> 03:20:34.358 Like I say, this is your third extension, so it would be 3897 03:20:34.438 --> 03:20:35.448 your final extension. 3898 03:20:36.058 --> 03:20:36.558 Understood. 3899 03:20:36.898 --> 03:20:40.638 Okay. That was a motion for extension to 3900 03:20:41.138 --> 03:20:44.938 6/18/27. I need a motion. 3901 03:20:45.558 --> 03:20:47.438 Motion to extend to 3902 03:20:48.338 --> 03:20:49.798 June 13, 2027. 3903 03:20:51.618 --> 03:20:52.078 I support. 3904 03:20:52.738 --> 03:20:56.718 There's a motion by Commissioner Binecki, supported by Mr. Hawk. All in favor? 3905 03:20:57.098 --> 03:20:57.458 Aye. 3906 03:20:57.698 --> 03:20:58.338 Any opposed? 3907 03:21:00.298 --> 03:21:02.298 Item number 8B. Thank you, sir. 3908 03:21:02.318 --> 03:21:02.598 Thank you. 3909 03:21:02.638 --> 03:21:02.987 Have a good evening. 3910 03:21:02.987 --> 03:21:03.438 Have a nice evening. 3911 03:21:03.518 --> 03:21:05.018 Sorry for the delay this evening, sir. 3912 03:21:05.198 --> 03:21:05.578 No problem. Thank you. 3913 03:21:06.478 --> 03:21:09.658 Item number 8B, site plan for open storage stack steel 3914 03:21:09.738 --> 03:21:13.638 plates located on the northwest corner of 3915 03:21:13.678 --> 03:21:17.398 Audrey and East Nine Mile Road, 4965 East Nine Mile Road, 3916 03:21:17.458 --> 03:21:19.898 Section 29. Derek Kapelan, 3917 03:21:20.458 --> 03:21:23.918 DJP Leasing LLC, Karen 3918 03:21:24.018 --> 03:21:27.798 Amberdy, PSP240005. 3919 03:21:28.298 --> 03:21:32.218 Approved on July 8, 2024. The petitioner is requesting 3920 03:21:32.318 --> 03:21:36.178 a one-year extension to July 8, 2027. Thank you. 3921 03:21:36.818 --> 03:21:38.018 Thank you. Good evening, Ms. Berti. 3922 03:21:38.298 --> 03:21:42.258 Good evening. Karen Berti, 28225 Mound Road, Warren, 3923 03:21:42.338 --> 03:21:46.217 Michigan. Yes, I'm asking for an extension on this site plan, 3924 03:21:46.368 --> 03:21:49.928 as my client has completed everything that he was 3925 03:21:49.938 --> 03:21:53.438 required to do except for two things, and both involve cement 3926 03:21:53.478 --> 03:21:57.458 work. The first one is a driveway has to be 3927 03:21:57.478 --> 03:22:01.298 moved a little bit and widened. The second one is he 3928 03:22:01.338 --> 03:22:05.138 was instructed that he had to raise the wall height. 3929 03:22:05.508 --> 03:22:08.258 And I don't remember the exact amount, but it wasn't much. 3930 03:22:08.318 --> 03:22:10.618 He just needed to maybe put a cap along the wall. 3931 03:22:11.278 --> 03:22:15.178 When he had the cement company out to take a look at the wall and putting the 3932 03:22:15.238 --> 03:22:19.038 cap on the wall, they instructed him that his wall was in such bad 3933 03:22:19.048 --> 03:22:21.988 disrepair that it would not 3934 03:22:22.818 --> 03:22:25.538 last long, and so it became futile. 3935 03:22:26.038 --> 03:22:29.798 To put the cap on it and go get it inspected and then have the wall 3936 03:22:29.878 --> 03:22:33.798 not last is not the true intent of what we're supposed to 3937 03:22:33.818 --> 03:22:36.698 be doing. So he called me and asked for my advice. 3938 03:22:36.838 --> 03:22:40.708 I told him I'd replace the wall, quite frankly, and I'd put it in at the right 3939 03:22:40.778 --> 03:22:44.738 height. So he has hired a company, and the company 3940 03:22:44.798 --> 03:22:46.658 is called Michigan Outdoor Services. 3941 03:22:47.398 --> 03:22:51.098 And they have promised to come out before last winter. 3942 03:22:51.138 --> 03:22:54.758 They had promised to come out, and then they kept delaying him and delaying him 3943 03:22:54.818 --> 03:22:58.478 because they had bigger jobs. He kept telling them, "We have bigger commercial 3944 03:22:58.598 --> 03:23:02.398 jobs. You're just a driveway and the poor concrete wall." 3945 03:23:02.918 --> 03:23:06.908 And so he kept getting delayed, and then obviously the winter, and now 3946 03:23:07.018 --> 03:23:09.718 this spring, he has been on them to do it. 3947 03:23:10.318 --> 03:23:14.278 I did ask him if maybe he could find another contractor, and he indicated 3948 03:23:14.338 --> 03:23:18.058 it's very hard to find somebody to do the poured concrete walls. 3949 03:23:18.118 --> 03:23:21.378 They all want to do the brick or this new 3950 03:23:21.438 --> 03:23:25.398 interlocking brick. They don't want to do the poured concrete walls. 3951 03:23:25.898 --> 03:23:29.018 So he's kind of stuck with this contractor that he's found. 3952 03:23:29.778 --> 03:23:31.438 They again have promised to come out. 3953 03:23:32.518 --> 03:23:36.468 Like I said, these are the last things that we have to do, the two cement things, 3954 03:23:36.858 --> 03:23:40.278 and then we'll be able to call for inspections at that point. 3955 03:23:40.658 --> 03:23:42.758 So I'm asking for the extension, 3956 03:23:43.798 --> 03:23:46.417 please, so that we can get these two matters done. 3957 03:23:46.818 --> 03:23:50.678 And one of the reasons is there became an increase 3958 03:23:50.698 --> 03:23:54.638 in scope of work when it became not just putting the cap on the wall, 3959 03:23:54.658 --> 03:23:58.518 but replacing the whole wall. Obviously, that increased our scope of 3960 03:23:58.558 --> 03:23:59.818 what we had to accomplish. 3961 03:24:01.078 --> 03:24:04.878 Thank you, ma'am. I have a note here in my papers that says 3962 03:24:05.738 --> 03:24:09.518 that you did not get final approval on site plan approval. 3963 03:24:10.518 --> 03:24:14.498 So unless you had gotten that, none of that work should've been done. 3964 03:24:16.278 --> 03:24:19.138 How did I not get final site plan approval? 3965 03:24:19.198 --> 03:24:20.478 Can you help me understand? 3966 03:24:20.748 --> 03:24:22.837 Mr. Warych, can you come up and... 3967 03:24:26.178 --> 03:24:26.738 What did I do? 3968 03:24:27.658 --> 03:24:27.878 Okay. 3969 03:24:31.318 --> 03:24:34.498 I don't know if I remember everything from our discussions this morning. 3970 03:24:36.018 --> 03:24:36.058 You 3971 03:24:37.218 --> 03:24:39.978 needed to submit the site plans. 3972 03:24:40.178 --> 03:24:40.898 The five plans. 3973 03:24:40.918 --> 03:24:41.838 The five copies. 3974 03:24:41.858 --> 03:24:42.498 I have a receipt. 3975 03:24:42.958 --> 03:24:43.378 And 3976 03:24:45.138 --> 03:24:45.758 the bond. 3977 03:24:46.798 --> 03:24:48.158 And the bond didn't get done. 3978 03:24:48.538 --> 03:24:50.218 Okay. That I didn't know, because- 3979 03:24:50.398 --> 03:24:50.448 Yeah 3980 03:24:50.498 --> 03:24:52.298 ... usually I tell my people to do that. 3981 03:24:52.718 --> 03:24:53.578 I personally have- 3982 03:24:53.707 --> 03:24:53.707 But- 3983 03:24:53.707 --> 03:24:56.418 ... a receipt from submitting the five plans. 3984 03:24:58.578 --> 03:24:58.818 Okay. 3985 03:24:59.278 --> 03:25:01.218 Oh, okay. All right, so it's the bond. 3986 03:25:01.458 --> 03:25:03.478 I guess that was it, the bond. 3987 03:25:03.738 --> 03:25:03.987 I'll fix that. 3988 03:25:04.018 --> 03:25:04.558 Is that right? 3989 03:25:06.818 --> 03:25:09.858 So you submitted the five revised site plans. They've been sitting in the file. 3990 03:25:09.958 --> 03:25:12.478 They hadn't been reviewed because the bond had not been paid yet. 3991 03:25:13.278 --> 03:25:15.458 So there's a $500 bond that needs to be paid. 3992 03:25:15.918 --> 03:25:19.118 I reviewed the revised site plan. I sent you an email this afternoon 3993 03:25:19.738 --> 03:25:23.228 with three revisions that need to be made on a new set of revised site plans. 3994 03:25:23.278 --> 03:25:23.778 All right. That's- 3995 03:25:23.978 --> 03:25:26.398 There's three short, simple notes that can be 3996 03:25:27.458 --> 03:25:29.478 done, and then the bond, and then you'll be all set. 3997 03:25:30.378 --> 03:25:32.987 Okay. So obviously I 3998 03:25:34.018 --> 03:25:37.878 was in court this afternoon, so I didn't see the email, but I will 3999 03:25:37.938 --> 03:25:39.378 absolutely follow through on that. 4000 03:25:39.718 --> 03:25:42.178 I turned in those five site plans early on. 4001 03:25:42.218 --> 03:25:43.958 I didn't know the bond wasn't paid. 4002 03:25:43.998 --> 03:25:46.658 If I had known that, I would've told my client. 4003 03:25:46.938 --> 03:25:50.778 But I'll get that taken care of. I'll get the bond paid and the site plans revised. 4004 03:25:51.138 --> 03:25:51.838 Thank you, ma'am. 4005 03:25:51.878 --> 03:25:51.958 Yes. 4006 03:25:52.038 --> 03:25:54.388 I know you have a way of taking care of things- 4007 03:25:54.658 --> 03:25:54.958 Yeah 4008 03:25:54.968 --> 03:25:55.937 ... so we know you will. 4009 03:25:55.998 --> 03:25:56.117 Yeah. 4010 03:25:57.358 --> 03:26:01.258 So she's requesting a one-year extension to 4011 03:26:03.158 --> 03:26:03.698 June... 4012 03:26:05.778 --> 03:26:06.388 July 8th. 4013 03:26:06.388 --> 03:26:06.398 July 8th- 4014 03:26:08.558 --> 03:26:09.448 2027 ... 4015 03:26:10.408 --> 03:26:11.118 2027. I need a motion. 4016 03:26:12.758 --> 03:26:16.278 Chair, I make a motion to approve the one-year extension 4017 03:26:16.938 --> 03:26:19.958 to July 8th, 2027. 4018 03:26:21.558 --> 03:26:22.798 Mr. Chair, I support it. 4019 03:26:23.238 --> 03:26:26.138 There's a motion by Mr. Halawati, supported by Commissioner Hawk. 4020 03:26:26.618 --> 03:26:27.418 All in favor? 4021 03:26:27.658 --> 03:26:27.918 Aye. 4022 03:26:27.958 --> 03:26:28.858 Any opposed? 4023 03:26:30.138 --> 03:26:33.878 Thank you, Ms. Berti. Item number 8C. 4024 03:26:36.578 --> 03:26:40.418 Item number 8C, site plan for a building addition, new accessory 4025 03:26:41.258 --> 03:26:44.938 building, and open storage of vehicles located on the west 4026 03:26:44.978 --> 03:26:48.938 side of Groesbeck Highway in the area of Prospect Avenue and Topfer Road, 4027 03:26:49.498 --> 03:26:53.388 21311 Groesbeck Highway, and parcels north of 4028 03:26:53.418 --> 03:26:54.358 Prospect Avenue, 4029 03:26:54.678 --> 03:26:59.378 13-35-326-001 4030 03:26:59.388 --> 03:27:00.218 through 4031 03:27:00.238 --> 03:27:04.338 13-35-326-009, 4032 03:27:04.738 --> 03:27:09.938 13-35-327-001 4033 03:27:09.978 --> 03:27:10.268 through 4034 03:27:10.678 --> 03:27:15.178 13-35-327-018, 4035 03:27:16.178 --> 03:27:20.818 13-35-327-020 4036 03:27:21.278 --> 03:27:21.658 through 4037 03:27:21.958 --> 03:27:26.998 13-35-327-026. 4038 03:27:27.658 --> 03:27:31.618 And the north 523.67 feet of 4039 03:27:31.678 --> 03:27:32.168 parcel 4040 03:27:32.698 --> 03:27:36.998 13-35-352-015, 4041 03:27:37.758 --> 03:27:40.678 along with parcel south of Prospect Avenue, 4042 03:27:41.258 --> 03:27:46.582 13-35-331-001And 4043 03:27:46.622 --> 03:27:50.822 13-35-331-002, 4044 03:27:51.642 --> 03:27:51.942 and 4045 03:27:52.322 --> 03:27:57.182 13-35-331-006. 4046 03:27:57.702 --> 03:27:58.762 Section 35, 4047 03:28:00.002 --> 03:28:03.722 Calvin Hermes, Brace Investment LLC, and Adam 4048 03:28:03.782 --> 03:28:06.622 Properties LLC. Karen Birdie, 4049 03:28:06.782 --> 03:28:10.422 PSP-240006. This was 4050 03:28:10.442 --> 03:28:13.102 approved on July 8, 2024. 4051 03:28:14.622 --> 03:28:18.581 The petitioner is requesting one-year extension to July 8, 2027. 4052 03:28:18.862 --> 03:28:19.142 Thank you. 4053 03:28:20.062 --> 03:28:22.582 Thanks, Madam Secretary. Do you want to tell us a little bit- 4054 03:28:22.922 --> 03:28:22.972 Yes 4055 03:28:22.972 --> 03:28:23.411 ... about that one? 4056 03:28:23.722 --> 03:28:27.282 Karen Birdie, 28225 Mound Road, Warren, Michigan. 4057 03:28:28.142 --> 03:28:31.492 Yes. I'm asking for a year extension on this 4058 03:28:32.942 --> 03:28:35.052 matter for two reasons. 4059 03:28:36.102 --> 03:28:40.002 The first one, work has not begun yet on this because I'm still in front of the 4060 03:28:40.082 --> 03:28:41.202 Zoning Board of Appeals. 4061 03:28:42.062 --> 03:28:45.942 And I'm still in front of the Zoning Board of Appeals because some very unique 4062 03:28:46.022 --> 03:28:47.682 things have been happening on this. 4063 03:28:48.272 --> 03:28:52.202 I took an approved site plan from the Planning Commission, and then went 4064 03:28:52.242 --> 03:28:55.602 to get my variances, and then the Planning Commission 4065 03:28:56.302 --> 03:28:59.762 didn't like some of the things that were approved on the site plan by the Planning 4066 03:28:59.822 --> 03:29:03.662 Commission, and then tabled me so that I had to go and make 4067 03:29:03.902 --> 03:29:07.262 changes that they wanted. I then had to have a 4068 03:29:07.322 --> 03:29:11.162 meeting with Planning and Zoning at the same time to make 4069 03:29:11.202 --> 03:29:15.022 sure that the plan I was now bringing forward was accepted by both 4070 03:29:15.082 --> 03:29:15.652 departments. 4071 03:29:16.902 --> 03:29:20.682 I have tried to go in front of the Zoning Board of Appeals 4072 03:29:20.782 --> 03:29:23.382 several times, and they have not had a full board. 4073 03:29:24.942 --> 03:29:25.362 When 4074 03:29:26.682 --> 03:29:30.662 I have to get five votes out of nine, or if it's a use 4075 03:29:30.702 --> 03:29:32.282 variance, six votes out of nine, 4076 03:29:33.282 --> 03:29:36.702 getting five votes out of eight changes my odds of being 4077 03:29:36.762 --> 03:29:38.622 successful for my client. 4078 03:29:39.622 --> 03:29:43.322 It's not unfair for petitioners to ask for a full 4079 03:29:43.442 --> 03:29:47.392 board. And so my item has been tabled till 4080 03:29:47.392 --> 03:29:51.112 I can get a full board. I believe that 4081 03:29:52.322 --> 03:29:55.382 I will get a full board. I'm on the agenda the next meeting. 4082 03:29:55.542 --> 03:29:58.182 I do believe that there's going to be a full board on that 4083 03:29:59.082 --> 03:30:02.022 occasion, and I will go forward and 4084 03:30:03.322 --> 03:30:04.782 seek to finish my 4085 03:30:06.302 --> 03:30:08.722 variances. The second reason 4086 03:30:09.702 --> 03:30:10.002 is 4087 03:30:11.662 --> 03:30:15.642 this piece of property is at Eight Mile and Groesbeck, and it's huge. 4088 03:30:16.082 --> 03:30:19.962 Okay? And it is one of the early 4089 03:30:20.902 --> 03:30:23.082 subdivisions that were put in place. 4090 03:30:23.782 --> 03:30:27.522 And whereas it was put to be a residential subdivision, it is all 4091 03:30:27.562 --> 03:30:30.402 industrial there. And so on my 4092 03:30:30.482 --> 03:30:33.902 gentleman's piece of property, we have 4093 03:30:33.962 --> 03:30:37.402 vacated utility easements, vacated 4094 03:30:37.842 --> 03:30:41.442 roads, or roads and utility easements that need to be vacated. 4095 03:30:42.462 --> 03:30:43.842 When I go and I vacate 4096 03:30:45.262 --> 03:30:46.822 right of ways of roads, 4097 03:30:48.842 --> 03:30:50.222 utility easements, et cetera, 4098 03:30:51.122 --> 03:30:54.912 I'm amending a plat. And I have to go to the circuit court, and I 4099 03:30:55.022 --> 03:30:57.962 have to have as defendants 4100 03:30:58.822 --> 03:31:02.322 everybody within 300 feet of our property. 4101 03:31:02.332 --> 03:31:05.942 This often leads to me having lawsuits that the caption is an 4102 03:31:05.982 --> 03:31:09.962 entire page, and I have 70 to 120 defendants. 4103 03:31:10.892 --> 03:31:14.342 So when I do this, I have to get all of those people 4104 03:31:14.352 --> 03:31:15.662 personally served, 4105 03:31:16.642 --> 03:31:18.232 and I have to keep track of 4106 03:31:19.102 --> 03:31:21.562 who's been served, who hasn't been served, et cetera. 4107 03:31:22.262 --> 03:31:25.782 I don't want to bore you too much, but I can only handle one of these cases at a 4108 03:31:25.842 --> 03:31:29.782 time. I'm one attorney, and whereas I 4109 03:31:29.842 --> 03:31:33.762 have staff that can help me, I can't do more than one 4110 03:31:33.802 --> 03:31:37.282 of these cases at once, and I'm currently finishing one in the 4111 03:31:37.322 --> 03:31:41.082 city over at 10 Mile and Chene. I am almost done with that one. 4112 03:31:41.542 --> 03:31:43.162 It should be done within the next 4113 03:31:44.502 --> 03:31:46.802 two months. I should have that done. 4114 03:31:46.832 --> 03:31:50.722 And then this is the next case that I'm going to do 4115 03:31:50.782 --> 03:31:51.982 the amendment of the plat. 4116 03:31:52.842 --> 03:31:56.642 So, that hasn't been started yet because 4117 03:31:56.902 --> 03:32:00.882 I didn't have the capacity to start a new one of these while 4118 03:32:01.002 --> 03:32:04.662 I had another one going. So in the next two months, I should be able to start that, 4119 03:32:05.142 --> 03:32:07.302 and that is to clean up all of the 4120 03:32:08.702 --> 03:32:12.362 utility easements and other easements that are there, 4121 03:32:12.582 --> 03:32:16.492 and roads that aren't being used as roads, and getting all 4122 03:32:16.542 --> 03:32:18.632 of those vacated so that then 4123 03:32:18.632 --> 03:32:22.022 my client can be in 4124 03:32:22.062 --> 03:32:26.032 compliance with the requirements that your commission asked him 4125 03:32:26.062 --> 03:32:26.382 to do. 4126 03:32:27.242 --> 03:32:30.142 So that's why I do need another year to get 4127 03:32:31.302 --> 03:32:32.782 those two things accomplished. 4128 03:32:33.442 --> 03:32:34.982 All right. Well, thank you for the explanation. 4129 03:32:34.992 --> 03:32:34.992 Yes. 4130 03:32:35.022 --> 03:32:36.722 I know you've been working on it a long time because- 4131 03:32:36.762 --> 03:32:37.062 Yes 4132 03:32:37.392 --> 03:32:39.322 ... it's been going on for a long time. 4133 03:32:39.402 --> 03:32:39.682 Yes. 4134 03:32:39.842 --> 03:32:43.102 So I need a motion to extend this to July 8, 4135 03:32:43.342 --> 03:32:44.022 2027. 4136 03:32:47.722 --> 03:32:50.642 Motion to extend to July 8, 2027, Morrey. 4137 03:32:53.502 --> 03:32:54.262 I support. 4138 03:32:55.142 --> 03:32:55.572 Commissioner Holowaty. 4139 03:32:55.572 --> 03:32:57.262 We have a motion by Commissioner Morrey, 4140 03:32:58.182 --> 03:33:01.882 supported by Commissioner Holowaty for a one-year extension to 4141 03:33:01.922 --> 03:33:04.642 July 8, 2027. All in favor? 4142 03:33:04.942 --> 03:33:05.502 Aye. 4143 03:33:05.542 --> 03:33:06.102 Any opposed? 4144 03:33:07.942 --> 03:33:09.442 Thank you, Ms Birdie. Good luck with everything. 4145 03:33:09.702 --> 03:33:10.362 Thank you very much. 4146 03:33:10.442 --> 03:33:11.602 Sorry for the delay this evening. 4147 03:33:11.662 --> 03:33:12.882 Thank you. What's that? 4148 03:33:13.122 --> 03:33:14.422 Sorry for the delay this evening. 4149 03:33:14.542 --> 03:33:15.502 Oh, no. No problem. 4150 03:33:15.542 --> 03:33:19.362 All right. Before we go any further, I want to recognize our ex officio, 4151 03:33:20.202 --> 03:33:21.022 Council Noonan. 4152 03:33:22.162 --> 03:33:23.022 Better late than never. 4153 03:33:25.822 --> 03:33:28.232 Number nine, bond release. Seeing none, new business. 4154 03:33:28.562 --> 03:33:30.152 Seeing none, citizen participation. 4155 03:33:30.692 --> 03:33:33.862 Anyone like to speak, come up, state your name and address for the record, and you 4156 03:33:33.902 --> 03:33:34.802 have three minutes to speak. 4157 03:33:35.642 --> 03:33:38.442 Seeing none, Planning Commission business. 4158 03:33:39.222 --> 03:33:40.802 12A, planning director's report. 4159 03:33:42.842 --> 03:33:43.402 Make it short. 4160 03:33:43.682 --> 03:33:45.082 Unless you're taking another hour. 4161 03:33:45.522 --> 03:33:45.932 Oh, no 4162 03:33:48.322 --> 03:33:52.242 We need a bed here. The city has to provide a bedroom here 4163 03:33:52.682 --> 03:33:53.302 for all of us. 4164 03:33:54.162 --> 03:33:54.942 Consolidate. 4165 03:33:54.982 --> 03:33:55.842 To drink coffee. 4166 03:33:56.002 --> 03:33:57.142 Oh, my God. 4167 03:33:58.882 --> 03:34:02.182 All right. So planning director report. 4168 03:34:02.262 --> 03:34:05.732 Of course, this is for a couple of weeks' worth of work, but 4169 03:34:06.722 --> 03:34:10.622 meetings mostly. And, so on the 12th, I had a meeting, 4170 03:34:10.742 --> 03:34:14.562 I was part of a meeting that was with General Motors and the 4171 03:34:14.682 --> 03:34:17.922 city trying to coordinate development 4172 03:34:18.262 --> 03:34:19.022 programs 4173 03:34:19.842 --> 03:34:23.662 and get General Motors more interested 4174 03:34:23.742 --> 03:34:26.422 in their home city, so to speak, 4175 03:34:27.562 --> 03:34:27.822 and 4176 03:34:28.742 --> 03:34:30.962 do things together. Basically, that was it. 4177 03:34:32.462 --> 03:34:36.242 Next, on the 13th was Cole Street. That's not too 4178 03:34:36.282 --> 03:34:39.562 far from City Hall. That's Vito Castellano. 4179 03:34:39.662 --> 03:34:41.582 That name's familiar to all of you. 4180 03:34:42.502 --> 03:34:45.662 And he wants to finish his 4181 03:34:45.702 --> 03:34:48.502 development that he has on Cole Street. 4182 03:34:49.102 --> 03:34:52.902 And so we talked to him. There will be a revised site plan. 4183 03:34:54.022 --> 03:34:57.722 He got approval and finally going to move on with 4184 03:34:57.762 --> 03:34:58.062 that. 4185 03:35:02.402 --> 03:35:02.942 Next, 4186 03:35:04.202 --> 03:35:06.422 I had a meeting with the Millstone 4187 03:35:07.622 --> 03:35:11.562 Restaurant people after that planning commission meeting that 4188 03:35:11.622 --> 03:35:15.322 they had. They were confused about some of the issues on there. 4189 03:35:15.482 --> 03:35:15.602 So 4190 03:35:16.522 --> 03:35:17.442 got it straightened out. 4191 03:35:18.302 --> 03:35:18.962 They were happy. 4192 03:35:20.262 --> 03:35:23.962 That's all we're here for, right? To make people happy. 4193 03:35:27.522 --> 03:35:28.022 Thank you. 4194 03:35:29.122 --> 03:35:30.282 All right, so next. 4195 03:35:31.722 --> 03:35:35.342 It was on a Friday, went to the Eckstein 4196 03:35:35.642 --> 03:35:36.342 Skate Park, 4197 03:35:37.602 --> 03:35:41.362 to have the grand opening. It was a nice event. 4198 03:35:42.542 --> 03:35:44.602 I don't know how many people here have been there. 4199 03:35:45.382 --> 03:35:47.382 If you haven't, go there. 4200 03:35:48.562 --> 03:35:52.402 Just go and take a look. You wouldn't believe. I've never seen a skate park... 4201 03:35:52.922 --> 03:35:54.862 I've never seen one anyway, 4202 03:35:55.782 --> 03:35:57.082 to tell the truth. But, 4203 03:35:58.582 --> 03:36:02.402 it's massive. Did you skate? No. 4204 03:36:03.842 --> 03:36:04.132 Ron, you- 4205 03:36:04.242 --> 03:36:04.762 No, but- 4206 03:36:06.042 --> 03:36:09.982 ... City Councilman Lafferty was 4207 03:36:10.022 --> 03:36:12.222 trying- I saw that. He was trying. He was trying it out, yeah. 4208 03:36:13.282 --> 03:36:15.202 Very carefully, mind you. 4209 03:36:16.282 --> 03:36:18.882 And then he was warned he better have a helmet next time. 4210 03:36:19.742 --> 03:36:19.902 So 4211 03:36:22.262 --> 03:36:23.082 anyway, there was that. 4212 03:36:24.442 --> 03:36:25.362 On the 18th, 4213 03:36:27.762 --> 03:36:30.002 was the Council of Commissions dinner. 4214 03:36:30.522 --> 03:36:31.122 It was a nice 4215 03:36:32.162 --> 03:36:33.082 dinner that we had. 4216 03:36:33.982 --> 03:36:34.522 Let's see. 4217 03:36:35.342 --> 03:36:38.482 All right. Anwar, you were there. And- 4218 03:36:40.462 --> 03:36:42.762 Almost ... Merle, you were there. Let's see. 4219 03:36:42.882 --> 03:36:44.122 I was there. 4220 03:36:44.222 --> 03:36:44.522 And 4221 03:36:45.802 --> 03:36:48.642 who else? Paul was there. You were. Yeah, that's right. Mike here was there. 4222 03:36:48.772 --> 03:36:49.721 Maureen was there. 4223 03:36:50.922 --> 03:36:51.122 And 4224 03:36:52.762 --> 03:36:55.292 anyway, so we had a meal and 4225 03:36:56.302 --> 03:36:59.982 everyone got to do a little presentation about each commission 4226 03:37:00.182 --> 03:37:02.642 or committee or whatever they were doing there. 4227 03:37:03.682 --> 03:37:07.102 So that was nice. That was my first time ever 4228 03:37:08.142 --> 03:37:09.602 to be involved in that. 4229 03:37:12.442 --> 03:37:13.342 Let me see here. 4230 03:37:16.242 --> 03:37:19.922 Okay. So next meeting on the 19th. That's 4231 03:37:19.982 --> 03:37:21.442 Mound Road right over here, 4232 03:37:22.802 --> 03:37:26.502 where Mertham is, where that nice old 4233 03:37:26.982 --> 03:37:27.311 looking 4234 03:37:28.222 --> 03:37:31.622 house that should be in a historic 4235 03:37:31.722 --> 03:37:35.662 district. And Amanda's working on that, right, Amanda? Yeah. Okay. 4236 03:37:36.802 --> 03:37:40.722 And, so anyway, it's an entryway to this place, 4237 03:37:41.402 --> 03:37:45.332 but it's the retail strip center that's 4238 03:37:45.362 --> 03:37:46.802 been there and failed. 4239 03:37:47.682 --> 03:37:50.282 And some people have come in, they want to make it work. 4240 03:37:50.362 --> 03:37:53.522 They want to put a drive-through, naturally, 4241 03:37:54.462 --> 03:37:56.352 in there, but fix up the site 4242 03:37:57.242 --> 03:38:00.702 and get the road fixed because it's in terrible shape, as 4243 03:38:00.762 --> 03:38:02.282 they told us. 4244 03:38:03.702 --> 03:38:04.182 Next, 4245 03:38:05.242 --> 03:38:09.202 I think 4246 03:38:09.242 --> 03:38:12.042 we did this online, didn't we, Amanda? 4247 03:38:12.802 --> 03:38:16.162 The Historic District Commission with Jessica Flores. Yeah. 4248 03:38:18.182 --> 03:38:20.582 It was definitely a Zoom meeting. And the Zoom meeting, we had a study. 4249 03:38:21.622 --> 03:38:25.462 They're coming in to do some work. We're doing a lot of 4250 03:38:25.502 --> 03:38:27.982 work with the Historic District Commission. 4251 03:38:29.042 --> 03:38:29.302 So, 4252 03:38:31.982 --> 03:38:35.162 we're trying to stretch ourselves just a little bit 4253 03:38:36.602 --> 03:38:38.782 here. So we're working with those people. 4254 03:38:38.912 --> 03:38:39.382 We're going to get 4255 03:38:40.302 --> 03:38:41.462 something else going with 4256 03:38:42.402 --> 03:38:45.042 signs and lighting and 4257 03:38:46.302 --> 03:38:47.662 other things. And 4258 03:38:48.862 --> 03:38:52.602 expanding the districts because there are 4259 03:38:52.682 --> 03:38:53.542 other 4260 03:38:56.142 --> 03:38:58.642 structures that need protection, needless to say. 4261 03:38:59.382 --> 03:39:02.602 Now, I'm not going to go in-depth because then it would take me an hour. 4262 03:39:03.762 --> 03:39:05.362 Okay. So, 4263 03:39:07.882 --> 03:39:10.022 on the 21st, attended an Esri 4264 03:39:11.382 --> 03:39:13.962 meeting all about GIS. 4265 03:39:14.902 --> 03:39:18.842 And I'm not going to go into that. That's where Michelle should have been, 4266 03:39:18.922 --> 03:39:20.242 but she was on vacation. 4267 03:39:21.142 --> 03:39:21.742 Lucky her. 4268 03:39:23.062 --> 03:39:23.982 I'm telling you that. 4269 03:39:26.602 --> 03:39:27.302 Attended 4270 03:39:28.702 --> 03:39:30.142 another 4271 03:39:32.502 --> 03:39:36.282 webinar, so to speak. Actually, it was a meeting with Jason 4272 03:39:36.322 --> 03:39:40.222 Spiller, our parks and rec director, meeting 4273 03:39:40.262 --> 03:39:43.982 with the people from Eocene, all having to do 4274 03:39:44.262 --> 03:39:46.962 with the tree study 4275 03:39:48.022 --> 03:39:51.822 and theExcuse me, I can't even read. 4276 03:39:51.832 --> 03:39:55.242 The tree survey plan that was completed here 4277 03:39:55.282 --> 03:39:57.072 recently. So now, 4278 03:39:58.262 --> 03:39:59.512 these people are going to help us 4279 03:40:00.942 --> 03:40:04.842 figure out what it all means and 4280 03:40:04.882 --> 03:40:07.782 create a plan for all the trees in the city of Warren. 4281 03:40:10.582 --> 03:40:11.612 And so that's 4282 03:40:12.682 --> 03:40:16.502 like we don't have anything more to do. Anyway, so there's that. 4283 03:40:20.082 --> 03:40:20.782 Let me look here. 4284 03:40:25.862 --> 03:40:27.082 Okay, so finally, 4285 03:40:28.482 --> 03:40:32.262 this goes with the historic district, and that's the 4286 03:40:32.322 --> 03:40:35.902 DDA expansion, right, Mary? You 4287 03:40:35.962 --> 03:40:36.762 attended that one. 4288 03:40:37.642 --> 03:40:41.502 And talking with Tom Bommarito, the boundaries of the DDA, 4289 03:40:42.482 --> 03:40:46.302 making them longer and wider and capturing more 4290 03:40:46.362 --> 03:40:49.842 taxes. But a lot of it has to do with, 4291 03:40:52.442 --> 03:40:56.242 we'll call it the village area, that that area continues 4292 03:40:56.302 --> 03:40:58.222 to need to expand 4293 03:40:59.182 --> 03:41:01.402 and encapsulate 4294 03:41:02.222 --> 03:41:06.162 the cemetery out there. And I don't know if anyone here has ever 4295 03:41:06.202 --> 03:41:09.182 seen the cemetery that's on Chicago Road. 4296 03:41:09.902 --> 03:41:10.462 Have you all 4297 03:41:11.382 --> 03:41:13.662 or not? Anwar, have you seen it? 4298 03:41:14.622 --> 03:41:17.582 You have. You're falling asleep over there, Anwar. 4299 03:41:17.642 --> 03:41:20.322 My house is on there. 70th and Chicago. 4300 03:41:20.382 --> 03:41:21.402 Okay. 4301 03:41:22.272 --> 03:41:22.332 That side. 4302 03:41:22.332 --> 03:41:26.262 All right. Well, anyway, so we wanted to encapsulate. 4303 03:41:26.302 --> 03:41:29.702 Why? So that we can get funding from the DDA to help us 4304 03:41:30.742 --> 03:41:34.642 fix that up completely the way it should be in 4305 03:41:34.662 --> 03:41:36.022 honor of those people that are 4306 03:41:37.162 --> 03:41:41.102 in the cemetery to begin with. So with that, anybody have 4307 03:41:41.122 --> 03:41:41.902 any questions? 4308 03:41:42.332 --> 03:41:43.682 Anybody have any questions for Mr. Werth? 4309 03:41:45.972 --> 03:41:47.702 Ron, master plan meeting tonight. That's right. That's on here. 4310 03:41:48.202 --> 03:41:50.542 I knew you were going to-- I forced you to remind me. 4311 03:41:50.802 --> 03:41:52.462 I want everyone 4312 03:41:54.962 --> 03:41:58.301 So on Friday we're going to have a master plan meeting. What time will it be? 4313 03:41:58.662 --> 03:41:59.982 3:00 to 5:00. Oh. 4314 03:42:00.142 --> 03:42:00.582 There you go. 4315 03:42:00.842 --> 03:42:01.121 Well. 4316 03:42:01.642 --> 03:42:02.242 How quick was that? 4317 03:42:02.282 --> 03:42:03.232 3:00 to 5:00. 4318 03:42:03.262 --> 03:42:03.542 When? 4319 03:42:03.882 --> 03:42:04.462 Friday. 4320 03:42:05.442 --> 03:42:05.982 City Hall. 4321 03:42:06.362 --> 03:42:07.382 City Hall. 4322 03:42:07.402 --> 03:42:09.662 City Hall. Yeah, these are quarterly. 4323 03:42:10.882 --> 03:42:11.542 Oh. We do these. 4324 03:42:13.642 --> 03:42:17.422 Okay. The reason we're doing these is that after five 4325 03:42:17.522 --> 03:42:21.442 years, according to state law, we need to review 4326 03:42:21.542 --> 03:42:24.802 our master plan and see if any changes 4327 03:42:25.742 --> 03:42:29.722 need to be made or discover all the wonderful things we've done up to this 4328 03:42:29.762 --> 03:42:33.582 point, and there are a lot of them. So all right, with 4329 03:42:33.662 --> 03:42:33.842 that. 4330 03:42:34.382 --> 03:42:36.882 Okay. Mr. Werth, just one last thing. 4331 03:42:37.622 --> 03:42:39.922 I recently went to the Milestone Grille. 4332 03:42:40.342 --> 03:42:40.802 Oh, yeah. 4333 03:42:40.922 --> 03:42:44.822 And they were beyond ecstatic that we approved their patio 4334 03:42:44.902 --> 03:42:47.482 for them. They can't wait to put it in. 4335 03:42:47.862 --> 03:42:48.322 Oh, good. 4336 03:42:49.242 --> 03:42:52.702 Because I went there for a birthday celebration for both my brother 4337 03:42:53.082 --> 03:42:54.202 and my wife. 4338 03:42:54.582 --> 03:42:55.182 Okay. 4339 03:42:55.262 --> 03:42:55.522 And 4340 03:42:56.442 --> 03:42:59.722 one thing is they do serve excellent food there, for one thing. 4341 03:43:00.722 --> 03:43:03.302 So they were very happy because they could use the space. 4342 03:43:03.322 --> 03:43:03.732 So they were- 4343 03:43:03.822 --> 03:43:03.892 Excellent 4344 03:43:03.892 --> 03:43:05.902 ... happy that we were able to work with them. 4345 03:43:06.902 --> 03:43:08.262 Excellent. Good to hear that. 4346 03:43:08.862 --> 03:43:10.002 Just wanted to pass that along. 4347 03:43:10.242 --> 03:43:10.662 Thank you. 4348 03:43:11.682 --> 03:43:12.122 Thank you. 4349 03:43:12.362 --> 03:43:12.802 All right. 4350 03:43:12.882 --> 03:43:16.712 Only thing I want to mention is, and we should have gotten in our packet about the 4351 03:43:16.742 --> 03:43:18.102 moratorium on the car washes- 4352 03:43:18.142 --> 03:43:18.212 Oh, yes 4353 03:43:18.212 --> 03:43:21.272 ... and the gasoline stations, because we're not going to go through it right now. 4354 03:43:21.382 --> 03:43:23.311 Just take it and review it and look at it, and 4355 03:43:24.402 --> 03:43:26.302 if we need to discuss it later, we can do that. 4356 03:43:27.542 --> 03:43:29.091 Any other discussion or concerns? 4357 03:43:29.202 --> 03:43:32.542 You know what? We could put it on the agenda next meeting 4358 03:43:33.402 --> 03:43:34.622 and have discussion- 4359 03:43:34.922 --> 03:43:35.142 Okay 4360 03:43:35.152 --> 03:43:35.742 ... on purpose. 4361 03:43:36.022 --> 03:43:36.572 All right. Very good. 4362 03:43:36.602 --> 03:43:36.882 All right. 4363 03:43:38.782 --> 03:43:40.182 Any other discussion or concerns? 4364 03:43:42.622 --> 03:43:45.982 Number 13, calendar pending matters. Seeing none, number 14, adjournment. 4365 03:43:46.042 --> 03:43:46.902 Need a motion to adjourn. 4366 03:43:47.462 --> 03:43:51.162 Chair, I make a motion to adjourn in place of Mr. Doucette. 4367 03:43:51.371 --> 03:43:54.162 That was a motion by Commissioner Holowaty, supported by Commissioner Ansara. 4368 03:43:54.322 --> 03:43:57.952 All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thanks for having a good 4369 03:43:58.082 --> 03:43:59.382 evening. Sorry it took so long. 4370 03:43:59.522 --> 03:43:59.902 Okay. 4371 03:43:59.942 --> 03:44:01.422 I'm glad everybody's here. 4372 03:44:01.462 --> 03:44:02.781 Yeah